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onthemap Posted on 26/01/2008 16:10
DGL can't win can he?

I'm not for a minute suggesting that he's the permanent answer up front but today he did his job.

He scored today, was the only Boro player that did, yet instead of praise for doing just that and winning the game for us, he's slated for missing an easier chance.

This board would have had post after post waxing lyrical about Ali if he'd managed to score, any talk of other misses, or comments that scoring against Mansfield was no great shakes, would have been shot down by the usual suspects.

The guy just cannot win, and why, because a few of the more prominent self appointed football brains on here have embarrassed themselves by claiming Ali is a superb player.

DGL is a squad player that much is clear, but on the odd occassion he actually finds the net it should be at least acknowledged.

Well done DGL today you did your job.

Be_Here_Soon Posted on 26/01/2008 16:12
DGL can't win can he?

I like him, he's funny.

scoea Posted on 26/01/2008 16:12
DGL can't win can he?

Yet another thread designed to attack Aliadiere. You really do have a problem.

I'll answer though. If you genuinely believe that DGL does a better job up front than Aliadiere then you are a fool. It is that simple.

onthemap Posted on 26/01/2008 16:14
DGL can't win can he?

DGL 2 Ali 1.
Choke you idiot.

Juno Posted on 26/01/2008 16:15
DGL can't win can he?

He was awfull today, barring his goal which was even a tap in I could of scored, he never really done anything... every chance he got he messed it up, Aliadiere was awesome today, a better man would of put away more than a few chances he set him up, those runs though, I wouldn't mind seeing Aliadiere just try and smash a few instead of passing it after doing all the hard work.

scoea Posted on 26/01/2008 16:15
DGL can't win can he?

Keep posting thread after thread if that's what makes you happy. I just think it makes you look a bit of a clown, just like yer man DGL.

Bukowski Posted on 26/01/2008 16:15
DGL can't win can he?

Aliadiere is far from being superb but he's a far better player than DGL who's one of the worst forwards I've ever seen in a Boro shirt.

HolgateEnd Posted on 26/01/2008 16:16
DGL can't win can he?

Scoea....
Aliadiere - 1 goal this season
Dong Gook Lee - 2 goals this season

That would suggest the gook is doing a better job up front than Aliadiere. Get your tongue out of Ali's arse and you might finally see him for what he is.

**although I do think Ali is a million miles better than the Gook by the way**

JLinardi Posted on 26/01/2008 16:17
DGL can't win can he?

Yes DGL did score today and now both of his goals have come against lower league opposition, but were still 2 important goals for us.

However, today showed me that his movement and anticipation for the ball are terrible, he always seemed one step behind and was chasing the ball rather than already being in the space to recieve it.

Juno Posted on 26/01/2008 16:18
DGL can't win can he?

Aliadiere scored against Man Utd though, The Dong scored against the second worst club in the entire football league and some other S*** team.

Stats dont show you every thing.

Juno Posted on 26/01/2008 16:18
DGL can't win can he?

And set up a few.

Bukowski Posted on 26/01/2008 16:18
DGL can't win can he?

If you really can't see what Aliadiere brings to the team and our attacking play then you're thick. Football is about more than statistics.

Plus DGL has yet to score in the Premier League.

onthemap Posted on 26/01/2008 16:19
DGL can't win can he?

OK I'll make it simple, DGL is a joke of a striker, he's a squad player at best, yet you conitinue to argue that Ali is a better player as some sort of argument.

DGL 2 Ali 1 (from 20 games) really what does that say.

Choke.

speckyget Posted on 26/01/2008 16:19
DGL can't win can he?

They are neither the answer up front. The key difference is that you can see a possible role for Aliadiere, but not for Lee. The worst thing about today's performance was his complete lack of arsedness.

Blain87 Posted on 26/01/2008 16:20
DGL can't win can he?

Fair play to DGL for getting his goal. Well done.

But Aliadiere is alot better than DGL. If you can't see that there's no point arguing about it because you are simply uninformed on the subject.

onthemap Posted on 26/01/2008 16:21
DGL can't win can he?

Well there's certainly more reason to expect goals from DGL, there's one role.

scoea Posted on 26/01/2008 16:21
DGL can't win can he?

Do I? I don't I've ever written about Aliadiere and DGL in the same thread until this one. I just think, at the risk of repeating myself for the millionth time, that Aliadiere is a good player who deserves his place in the team.

You don't think he does and that is absolutely fair enough, as I keep on saying. Why can't you just accept that we disagree? Answer me that. Please.

You said on another thread that I think my opinion is better than everyone else's. I genuinely don't and it appears very much to be a case of the pot calling the kettle black.

Now release your canine grip from this topic and start behaving like an adult.

SplendidStuff Posted on 26/01/2008 16:22
DGL can't win can he?

Well done mappy, you have completely revealed your true understanding of the game [:D]

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 26/01/2008 16:23
DGL can't win can he?

He's not a good player, not strong enough and lets the game bypass him, but in the first half he, and Aliadiere, made some decent runs and there wasn't a cat in hells chance of them receiving the ball from midfield.

speckyget Posted on 26/01/2008 16:23
DGL can't win can he?

I'm not sure what that reason is. I would expect no goals from him. Yes, he confounded expectations by scoring today, although not by what he did to that cross from Aliadiere.

scoea Posted on 26/01/2008 16:24
DGL can't win can he?

Even though they did Cat, regularly?

onthemap Posted on 26/01/2008 16:25
DGL can't win can he?

If we'd relied on Ali to score he wouldn't have, it's so obvious it should embarrass you to post otherwise.
Ali wasn't even chosen to lead the attack against lowly Mansfield and as it panned out Southgate was proven right, seems even the manager agrees with me.

JLinardi Posted on 26/01/2008 16:25
DGL can't win can he?

No one si suggesting Aliadiere would be a great goalscorer.

I will admit I had though that with a run of games that hes never had before, That Aliadiere would get maybe 5-9 goals. But I was wrong, however he is still 10 times the player Dong Gook is and if we get Alves, Aliadiere should be on the bench to come on and maybe swing a game in our favour.

Tomdoodle Posted on 26/01/2008 16:27
DGL can't win can he?

"but on the odd occassion he actually finds the net it should be at least acknowledged."

So does Aliadiere. And then Aliadiere contributes elsewhere as well.

I really don't see why Aliadiere is so disliked, he does a good job for Boro. He isnt scoring but neither is anyone else, really - why is he targetted so much?

Gook just doesnt contribute anything, in my opinion we would be better off without him.

scoea Posted on 26/01/2008 16:27
DGL can't win can he?

Mappie, are you ignoring what I post every time you write yet another one of these pathetic threads?

Ali has never and will never be prolific as a goalscorer. He is a good player though who has other attributes that we can take advantage of. Am I writing this in a different language or something? You ramble on the same old points time and again despite them being answered.

FFS we disagree. That's it. You're not going to persuade me and I'm not going to persuade you. F***ing live with it!

SplendidStuff Posted on 26/01/2008 16:28
DGL can't win can he?

"The guy just cannot win"

Strange that, i could say the same about Ali, Rocky etc, but it seems the fact that DGL scored against a pub team makes him a better player [:D]

"DGL is a squad player that much is clear"

Yeah and so is Ali, whats your point?

Boromart Posted on 26/01/2008 16:29
DGL can't win can he?

I don't think anyone has ever said Ali is awaesome. I am a a fan and defender of him, but I would never calss him as awesome.

Your over-exaggerating to try and prove some point...the point being you have some serious issue with the guy.

Aliadiere played very well today along with Rochy, and Wheater one of best players. Thats plainly obvious.

So I guess every game Ali doesn't score your goign to start one of these tedious threads? I despair, it's a very very sad game you like to play.


Ivan_Drago Posted on 26/01/2008 16:29
DGL can't win can he?

I will save you all the hassle of arguing, Lee is nowhere near good enough. Ali isn't quite good enough. End of.

HolgateEnd Posted on 26/01/2008 16:31
DGL can't win can he?

Like I said, I do think Ali is a million miles better than the gook.

However, I think a lot of people on this board have some fantasy that Aliadiere is an amazing player - he must be, Wenger said so - and the pure and simple fact that he is played in our team as a striker/forward/up front, your choice. And in that position, he has scored 1 goal from about 20 games. That is a horrendous record and in my opinion, is a very key reason as to why we are in the S*** in the league at the minute.

I know he does a lot of running and has created 3-4 goals for others, but he is there to score goals and he isnt. So therefore, once we get another striker in, there wont be a place in the team for him and rightly so.

onthemap Posted on 26/01/2008 16:31
DGL can't win can he?

Linardi I agree with you, DGL is not the answer, that much is clear and if the answer is Ali coming off the bench for 10 minutes then that's maybe a role for him - who knows.

The clowns on here won't even admit that if we sign a striker and play him alongside Alves, then Ali will be dropped, they can't say who would be dropped to allow Ali to continue running up and down, but that doesn't matter, the embarrassment is just too great now to even concede that.


scoea Posted on 26/01/2008 16:34
DGL can't win can he?

You're on a different planet mappie. Your unerring ability to just make up what other people's thoughts are is impressive. Carry on with the vendetta though. I'm not embarrassed in the slightest by the way but I certainly think you should be.

Here a little thought for you though. I rate Woodgate as the best defender we have. Putting to one side the fact that he might be leaving, I wouldn't currently have him in the team but I still rate him. Now just think that through.

SplendidStuff Posted on 26/01/2008 16:36
DGL can't win can he?

"However, I think a lot of people on this board have some fantasy that Aliadiere is an amazing player"

The real issue here is that Ali is a squad player and people such as mappy want him gone and out of the team.

I would like to state for the record that nobody in any post i have read thinks Ali is the answer and agrees on the fact he doesn't score much. However some of us think he can be a good squad player and doesn't need his own thread every time he fails to score a goal.

The whole premise of the thread is that DGL cant win even when he scores. He has 2 goals to Alis 1, which in my opinion makes for a very poor argument when you consider overall play.

Borat_BORO Posted on 26/01/2008 16:36
DGL can't win can he?

haha he is shiŁe.

onthemap Posted on 26/01/2008 16:37
DGL can't win can he?

Scoea
One question, why do you assume I'm addressing you?

Boromart Posted on 26/01/2008 16:37
DGL can't win can he?

"The clowns on here won't even admit that if we sign a striker and play him alongside Alves, then Ali will be dropped, they can't say who would be dropped to allow Ali to continue running up and down, but that doesn't matter, the embarrassment is just too great now to even concede that." -- We have had a running battle about Ali, so I will retort as if this is aimed at me (I'm sure you will deny it though). I have said that Alves and Mido should be paired if fit. If Mido is injured then Tuncay and Ali would fight to play alongside him, with neither having a nailed down place.

I actually think these people getting all obnoxious claiming Ali is S*** are actually the same people that fawn over Tuncay and foresee Tuncay struggling to get on the pitch when Alves arrives.

sasboro1 Posted on 26/01/2008 16:38
DGL can't win can he?

Boateng must be upthere with aliadiere now with goals and assists.

Another game where aliadiere never looks like scoring move him to right wing or jsut drop him. 1 goal in 18 appearences is terrible. how much longer can it go on? when was the last time he got a shot on target and made a keeper make a save?

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 26/01/2008 16:39
DGL can't win can he?

scoea, they didn't pick the runs up at all when they pair of them had room to run into behind the defence, and they had lots of chances......they did, however pump it into the corners often enough.

bear66 Posted on 26/01/2008 16:40
DGL can't win can he?

I'll avoid the Aliadiere arguments - based on today, DGL had a reasonable game as did Aliadiere. Initially I thought Cattermole looked out of the game but he improved as the game went on. Downing showed he has real class and why we can't lose him - Johnson isn't a direct replacement. Mido may not have been fot but he did all right. Boateng may not be as good as he was but he battled well today. Huth and Wheater looked OK today, having to do a lot of work - losing Woodgate doesn't look sensible as we need a third central defender whilst Poggy is on the left - Arca looked in need of more fitness and he looks dodgy at left back.

Overall, a hard working performance - well done the Boro squad! A bit disappointing was the number of clear cut chances against such a lowly side - O'Neil was missed on the right. But, with Mido fit and a new striker, where does Ali (and Tuncay) fit in? Yes, we need a squad but they can't all play.

scoea Posted on 26/01/2008 16:40
DGL can't win can he?

I don't mappie. I think you're addressing anyone that has the audacity to disagree with you.

Ivan_Drago Posted on 26/01/2008 16:40
DGL can't win can he?

Boateng was the worst player on the pitch today, apart from that goal.

If Ali's a striking squad player then he should score goals, he doesn't.

HolgateEnd Posted on 26/01/2008 16:41
DGL can't win can he?

Splendid, there seem to be two 'camps' on this one.

One camp says Ali is shyte and should be gone
The other wont have a word said against him

I'm somewhere in between the two. I dont think we should get rid of him, but if/when we get a new striker in, Ali has to be on the bench at best. Maybe not even that taking Mido and Tuncay into account as well.

scoea Posted on 26/01/2008 16:43
DGL can't win can he?

That's where you (and mappie) are entirely wrong HolgateEnd. Why there has to be only two polarised camps within which you must sit I don't know.

I think Ali is a good player. Not great, never a goalscorer but at this moment in time deserving of a first team shirt because he makes genuine and positive contributions. If that changes, I'll be the first one on here saying he should be dropped.

SplendidStuff Posted on 26/01/2008 16:44
DGL can't win can he?

Holgate, as far as im aware there are two camps also.

Theres the Ali is shyte camp and the Ali is a useful squad player.

Nobody is actually saying Ali is great, and everyone admits his ratio of goals is very poor, im saying it as well as Scoea and others, but nobody listens.

I have never stated Ali is class or undroppable from the start, but mappy has this knack of rephrasing what you say to suite his own agenda.

Again for the record i think Ali is a SQUAD PLAYER.

onthemap Posted on 26/01/2008 16:45
DGL can't win can he?

Scoea - this one is addressed to you.

You've complained twice on this thread about me ignoring you, well I'm sorry but my opinion is my opinion, it's not based on anyone elses and certainly isn't formulated as a response to yours, so try not to feel left out if I don't address you directly.

Strangely enough I thought you'd be on telling me how Southgate got it right today, he did you see, he got it spot on, DGL led the line and Southgate got it right.

sasboro1 Posted on 26/01/2008 16:45
DGL can't win can he?

Aliadiere has pace which occassionally might have trouble mansfield but again no end product. I have noticed today that a couple of times alaidiere tried to run with the ball too far and lost possession too easy. if we get alves and mido together, i've yet to see anyone suggest where aliadiere would end up playing in the team. I guess they havent thought that far ahead or think we can play with 12men

HolgateEnd Posted on 26/01/2008 16:47
DGL can't win can he?

"Why there has to be only two polarised camps within which you must sit I don't know."

Where exactly did I say that? What I actually said was "there seem to be two 'camps' on this one"

I didnt say there HAS to be two camps and you HAVE to either like him or dislike him. I simply said that from reading the threads on here there SEEMS to be two camps.

And as I went on to say, I'm not in either one.

onthemap Posted on 26/01/2008 16:50
DGL can't win can he?

I suppose I'm in the 'strikers need to score' camp, simplistic one maybe, but it seems that even Gareth is starting to think about joining.

EddieHitler Posted on 26/01/2008 16:51
DGL can't win can he?

Bukowski _"DGL who's one of the worst forwards I've ever seen in a Boro shirt." I strongly disagree, he IS the worst PLAYER ive ever seen in a boro shirt, he doesnt even look like a pro footballer

SplendidStuff Posted on 26/01/2008 17:10
DGL can't win can he?

mappy you praise DGL and he has 1 goal more than ALi, puzzling to say the least.

onthemap Posted on 26/01/2008 17:14
DGL can't win can he?

I praised him today for doing his job, you may not have the capacity to do that, but that's for you to deal with.
He's crap, but is outscoring your darling, and from a fraction of starts.

SplendidStuff Posted on 26/01/2008 17:15
DGL can't win can he?

Mappy answer me this one question.

If Ali had scored today would you have praised him and started a thread saying "Ali can't win can he" ?

midoshead Posted on 26/01/2008 17:21
DGL can't win can he?

Yes Gook scored today but id expect anyone to be stood where he was to tap the ball in the back of the net. His main contribution today was just that a goal and great he finally gets another goal.

IMO I still think Ali's performance was much better than gooks, ali caused a few problems today and looks like a more creative player rather than a clinical finisher. I would be tempted to keep him out on the right hand side, he drifts over that side a lot anyways!

Theres no doubt in my mind that we need some striking additions up front and if that means we lose Hutchinson to Celtic and IMO see Gook leave cos hes out of his depth then fine but only as long as we get some real quality to replace them!

onthemap Posted on 26/01/2008 17:23
DGL can't win can he?

If Ali had scored today then yes I'd have acknowledged it, however I'd probably have mentioned how many more starts he's had than DGL, but if he'd won the game for us then yes I'd have said so, I'm happy to acknowledge that Southgate got it right today so why would you think otherwise?
Can't believe you're now reduced to arguing that Ali is at least better than DGL, bit like saying he's slimmer than Rick Waller.

SplendidStuff Posted on 26/01/2008 17:31
DGL can't win can he?

Thanks for that answer mappy, now its apparent that just 1 goal can make you change your mind.

Talk about fickle.

scoea Posted on 26/01/2008 17:37
DGL can't win can he?

Hilarious. You aren't just ignoring me mappie and it certainly doesn't upset me. The funniest thing is reading your last post on this thread considering that you actually posted the thread itself.

Blain87 Posted on 26/01/2008 17:41
DGL can't win can he?

This is Bergkamps record for Arsenal from 99/00 season onwards

........P G
1999/00 28 6
2000/01 25 3
2001/02 33 9
2002/03 29 4
2003/04 28 4
2004/05 30 8
2005/06 24 2

Hardly prolific, but do you maybe think Wenger realised Bergkamps overall effect on the team and its performance?

I am not comparing Bergkamp to Aliadiere or saying that Ali has as much impact on a game.

Im just trying to show some people(onthemap, in particular) that goalscoring is not the be all and end all for strikers. Goalscoring is only the half of it.

scoea Posted on 26/01/2008 17:43
DGL can't win can he?

The best part of it is is that mappie posts thread after thread about Ali's scoring record despite the fact that most of us that defend him acknowledge he will never be prolific. Dog with a bone.

onthemap Posted on 26/01/2008 17:44
DGL can't win can he?

We are now just discussing hypothetical circumstances remember, DGL did score today, Gareth did opt for him ar the lone striker in preference to Al and was proven right, they are not debateable points, it happened and will be in the record books.
How me saying that yes I'd have acknowledged the same if it were Ali I can't for the life of me see a contradiction with.

Maybe it's just that I'm happy to admit it if I get it wrong, maybe that's it?

scoea Posted on 26/01/2008 17:45
DGL can't win can he?

Whoosh.

sasboro1 Posted on 26/01/2008 17:45
DGL can't win can he?

Blain, but you are comparing him to bergkamp [;)]

Also yo uhave missed out his first 13 seasons when he scored over 150 goals [:D]

SplendidStuff Posted on 26/01/2008 17:47
DGL can't win can he?

"The guy just cannot win, and why, because a few of the more prominent self appointed football brains on here have embarrassed themselves by claiming Ali is a superb player."

Now thats where it all falls apart mappy.

NOBODY on here has ever stated Ali is a superb player.

Give it up its embarrasing [:D]

Blain87 Posted on 26/01/2008 17:49
DGL can't win can he?

Erm, no Im not.

I'm using Bergkamp as an example of how a striker can contribute in ways, other than goals.

In what part of my post was I comparing them?

Over the course of 7 seasons Bergkamp failed to get into double figures. Yet Wenger still recognised his contribution.

scoea Posted on 26/01/2008 17:50
DGL can't win can he?

Give it up blain. You're banging your head against a wall.

sasboro1 Posted on 26/01/2008 17:53
DGL can't win can he?

blain, you missed out his previous 13 seasons when he scored over 150 goals. aliadire has only about 4 league goals and he is nearly 25.by the time bergkamp was 25 he has scored over 100 goals.

and then when he got 2 goals in 1 season he was an old man about to retire.

Blain87 Posted on 26/01/2008 17:54
DGL can't win can he?

Its ridiculous though, Im no fan of Rochemback I am willing to admit he has a very good footballing brain and his range of passing can be by far the best in our side.

onthemap just blindly refuses to acknowledge Ali's contribution.

scoea Posted on 26/01/2008 17:55
DGL can't win can he?

Do you not accept though that Ali hasn't actually played many games?

onthemap Posted on 26/01/2008 17:55
DGL can't win can he?

Blaine, for someone not comparing Bergkamp to Ali, you've just posted his record up in the midst of a discussion about Ali, why not put Cantonas record or say Beardsleys up, Bergkamp or Ali? You've just made me smile you really have.

I'll correct you yet again Scoea, you are NOW saying Ali won't score goals, I said it the day he signed and I was reliably informed he'd be in double figures, fool, idiot, no nowt, etc etc was hurled at me whenever I suggested he wasn't a goalscorer, so don't expect to jump on the 'I never expected any goals' bandwagon without comment from me.

Honesty is the best policy, might be a little irksome at first, but in the long run it pays off.

As for him bringing other attributes to the game, yes I can see that he runs at defenders, yes I can see he is fast, but more than that I can see his best role will be as a sub coming on for the last ten minutes at best, to save the legs of whoever Southgate opts for when the real strikers are here and fit.

You watch, thats how it will pan out, it's not difficult to work out at all.

ravs Posted on 26/01/2008 17:56
DGL can't win can he?

"Yet another thread designed to attack __________. You really do have a problem."

Is this line copywrited, or can I use it on your craftily designed attack Southgate threads?

Blain87 Posted on 26/01/2008 17:56
DGL can't win can he?

Yes Sas I realise he was prolific for 10 years previously.

However for 7 years he was far from it, but still contributed.

whoyadoin Posted on 26/01/2008 17:56
DGL can't win can he?

Well done DGL! He is a squad player, but for me he is not good enough.

As far as Aliadiere is concerned was a winger and know where near an out and out Striker, he does at least bring something to the team.

DGL, Rickets, Christie not good enough for me.

As I said near the start of the season, I would prefer to see Wheater or Huth upfront than DGL.

P.S. Jeff Winter, lick my balls you clueless moron xx





SplendidStuff Posted on 26/01/2008 17:59
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SplendidStuff Posted on 26/01/2008 17:47 Email this Message | Reply
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"The guy just cannot win, and why, because a few of the more prominent self appointed football brains on here have embarrassed themselves by claiming Ali is a superb player."

Now thats where it all falls apart mappy.

NOBODY on here has ever stated Ali is a superb player.

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So do you have a response or is this debate over?



scoea Posted on 26/01/2008 18:01
DGL can't win can he?

Rubbish mappie. I have never claimed that he would be prolific. You talk about honesty and yet consistently you make up what I have said in the past to suit your own arguments. There really is no point in debating anything with someone prepared to do that.

You still haven't answered what I asked at 16.21.

Blain87 Posted on 26/01/2008 18:02
DGL can't win can he?

onthemap, you are beyond stupid.

I am making the point that a striker can contribute in ways, other than scoring. To do so I have used another strikers poor goalscoring record. A striker held in high regard by many. This doesnt mean I am saying Aliadiere is the same type of player or even on the same planet as Bergkamp.

sasboro1 Posted on 26/01/2008 18:05
DGL can't win can he?

Blain but he still scored more per season than aliadire. Do you not realise that alaidiere should be reaching his peak at his age. he should be hitting doubel figures. this is his peak years now not when he is 33-35 like bergkamp was in his final few seasons

Grrreds Posted on 26/01/2008 18:06
DGL can't win can he?

they are both as bad as each other.

scoea Posted on 26/01/2008 18:06
DGL can't win can he?

"But he doesn't score goals and he's a striker" - that is mappie's thought process and it is entrenched and no doubt will continue to be repeated ad infinitum. Posting other views and then backing them up will just be ignored.

Borat_BORO Posted on 26/01/2008 18:07
DGL can't win can he?

Cant believe people are saying Lee is a decent striker, He was crap today although he did score

onthemap Posted on 26/01/2008 18:11
DGL can't win can he?

You keep banging on about me repeating the same things on the Ali debate, but yet demand another response, ok...

...when we signed Ali I was reliably informed he was a superb player, he caused defenders problems, no actually you told me he terrified them, after a few games Scoea educated me on how Ali brought that nuch to the side that we were now able to play to a completely different style of play.One full of fast fluent football or some such guff, we were in the bottom 4 at the time mind, but lets forget that.

Now it's so so different, he was never going to do very much more than drag defenders about, never in a million years did anyone say he was any good, oh no, and yet, and yet... five minutes ago Scoea posts on another thread asking where Ali's best position were, to say that we will be playing Ali, Tuncay, Alves (or) Mido up front, now apparently he's that good we are going to drop one of our strikers for him, or we are going to let both strikers play and drop Downing (who Scoea says is really a very good player).

So if no-ones saying Ali is a superb player, how come you think he'll keep Alves or Mido out? or are we playing with 12?

Blain87 Posted on 26/01/2008 18:11
DGL can't win can he?

You're making me repeat myself and its getting tedious....

I AM NOT SAYING ALIADIERE IS AS GOOD AS BERGKAMP

Aliadiere contributes much to our all round play. As Bergkamp did for Arsenal in his final SEVEN (not his 'final few seasons') seasons, without being prolific.

Aliadiere is 24(?) and probably is as good as he is going to be. He will likely never score more than 5 goals per season. However he is worth a place in our side at present due to the chances he creates. If we sign Alves and Mido is fit, I think we should play them 2 up front.

SplendidStuff Posted on 26/01/2008 18:15
DGL can't win can he?

"no actually you told me he terrified them"

"how come you think he'll keep Alves or Mido out?"!!!!!!!!!


again i never said any of those things, but don't let that stop you.

I seriously think you have some issues, you're certainly a pathalogical liar [:D]

scoea Posted on 26/01/2008 18:16
DGL can't win can he?

1. That is not what I asked you to answer.

2. I stand by those attributes that I said he brings to the team. I am glad you now accept I never said he was a prolific goalscorer.

3. Nothing has changed in my view and I would ask you to tell me when I have said that those players will be dropped. Please.

whoyadoin Posted on 26/01/2008 18:19
DGL can't win can he?

Borat_BORO i'm not saying DGL is a decent striker.

I don't even like admitting he is a Boro player.

Tuncay
Aliadiere
Hutchinson
Downing
Wheater
Huth

all before DGL in a striking starting XI position for me.

onthemap Posted on 26/01/2008 18:20
DGL can't win can he?

How do we play them all? It's a simple question, if we play 5 up front, we have to play a keeper, then that leaves us with the option of choosing only 5 more players.
Thems the rules I'm afraid, no rush goalie or anything.

Give me your team with those 5 strikers playing - do it or crawl away.
I'll wait.

whoyadoin Posted on 26/01/2008 18:22
DGL can't win can he?

are you talking to me nob sack?

onthemap Posted on 26/01/2008 18:24
DGL can't win can he?

No I demand an ounce of intelligence from those I debate with, it's not meant for you, jog on.

h86857 Posted on 26/01/2008 18:24
DGL can't win can he?

The fact is DGL is not good enough to be a premiership player, thats it. Booing him...slagging someone who is not good enough is a waste of time. Blame the manager for buying / playing him (but not much choice at present) It not his fault that he is not good enough

Blain87 Posted on 26/01/2008 18:26
DGL can't win can he?

What 5 strikers are you talking about onthemap? who said we should play 5 up front?

onthemap Posted on 26/01/2008 18:27
DGL can't win can he?

Blain read the threads I'm not doing that for you.

SplendidStuff Posted on 26/01/2008 18:28
DGL can't win can he?

fook me this is tiring.

mappy i have said to you many times that i would DROP Ali and play 2 upfront of mido/alves with Ali on bench.

its that simple.


whoyadoin Posted on 26/01/2008 18:28
DGL can't win can he?

Six players I would start in DGL's position rather than him.

onthemap you are such a d_ck! You don't even go to matches you misserable owld cnut, you just post sh_te to people on here.

You are a negative, bitter small, small man no wonder you missus left you!

(nowt to do with this post btw, i'm just fooking sick of you)

Blain87 Posted on 26/01/2008 18:30
DGL can't win can he?

Would have been much easier to give me 6 names no wwouldnt it

SplendidStuff Posted on 26/01/2008 18:31
DGL can't win can he?

Also just want to add that now you are demanding team sheets when all i have ever said is Ali is a useful squad member.

This whole thread was about DGL but you got Ali in there. You praise DGL for 2 goals this season, Ali has 1 but you only ever complain about Ali.

Ali is a SQUAD member, hes not the messiah, hes not bergkamp and hes not going to score lots of goals.

red_shamrock Posted on 26/01/2008 18:31
DGL can't win can he?

Hes not negative, just got an opinion thats all.
nowt a marra with that.
Take no notice mappy lad.

SplendidStuff Posted on 26/01/2008 18:33
DGL can't win can he?

Everyone has an opinion , but the shiite he comes out with is pure bollox.

I have never heard so many bare faced lies from one human being.

onthemap Posted on 26/01/2008 18:37
DGL can't win can he?

Hey clowns.
Scoea posted about Ali not being dropped, I made that clear, I didn't mention you, read the post where I said Scoea posted his attacking formation, if I mention you then feel free to get all uppity but in the meantime shut the F*** up, or make the effort to try and at least understand the threads.

Question now I suppose though is, if you're arguing he's not good enough to be in the team just what the F*** are you saying?

whoyadoin Posted on 26/01/2008 18:42
DGL can't win can he?

When I first came on here he gave me sh*t, he gives newbies S***.

Whatever he posts is a complete load of turd, which I don't mind.

All I mean to say is, onthemap stop being a prick.

SplendidStuff Posted on 26/01/2008 18:43
DGL can't win can he?

What i am saying for the millionth time is ALi is a useful squad player and you are bitter.

What i am also saying is that you lie to strengthen your case in a debate and ignore what people actually say.

for example.

"how come you think he'll keep Alves or Mido out?"

"no actually you told me he terrified them"

"The guy just cannot win, and why, because a few of the more prominent self appointed football brains on here have embarrassed themselves by claiming Ali is a superb player."


You see mappy i have no problem with debate and opinion but it gets tiresome when you resort to this tactic.

You never acknowledge it and always switch to another point.


And to finish off theres this gem.

"Question now I suppose though is, if you're arguing he's not good enough to be in the team just what the F*** are you saying?"

im not arguing his place in the team, if we have better we play better, but he is a SQUAD player, that is all.

onthemap Posted on 26/01/2008 18:46
DGL can't win can he?

Scoea is adament he'll keep one of them out, are you really not capable of understanding that, what is it that you struggle with.

It appears that DGL outscoring your darling is a bigger problem than I thought, maybe you'd prefer us to get beat but Ali to score?

onthemap Posted on 26/01/2008 18:51
DGL can't win can he?

Whoyadoin, did I upset you?, did the nasty mappy say something that made you get a wunny nose?, and didn't mummy do anything to make it better.
Mappys sowwy, don't cwy.

SplendidStuff Posted on 26/01/2008 18:56
DGL can't win can he?

"Scoea is adament he'll keep one of them out, are you really not capable of understanding that, what is it that you struggle with."

Listen mappy, i got nothing against you but im talking to you and showing you what you have said to ME. Now you are telling me that thoses responses were all directed to scoea?

Why would you use those lines in responses to me then?



LemmyKilmister Posted on 26/01/2008 18:57
DGL can't win can he?

that was a quick ton!

Blain87 Posted on 26/01/2008 18:59
DGL can't win can he?

Hearing You don't go to games leaves me smiling, onthemap.

How can you possibly form an opinion on Aliadiere from what You see on MOTD and the few odd games You see on Sky? I'd think he was S***e if I only saw our 30 seconds highlights lol.

Even if You go to the pub and watch every game You still don't see the whole picture.

whoyadoin Posted on 26/01/2008 19:01
DGL can't win can he?

Whoyadoin just got tired of you, just like your wife.

Remember how much of a big man you are on the FMTTM message board tonight, whilst you are masturbating alone... perhaps it will help stave of the tears, well at least until you reach your vinegar strokes.

onthemap Posted on 26/01/2008 19:06
DGL can't win can he?

Here's the thing boys, everything I post is deemed worthy of a response from you.

Blain I've a season ticket, shocking but true.

Anyway even Southgate is now agreeing with me, Ali shunted out of the way, DGL scores to win us the game, maybe I should put a cv in, I reckon Rob owes me a pint or two for waking you comatosed B*****s up at the very least.

Opinions are free - go get some, put the gazette down, turn Sky off and think.

Blain87 Posted on 26/01/2008 19:09
DGL can't win can he?

You're a liar onthemap. Maybe in this thread. Maybe in another one. One started by susy (I think) about swearing at games. You stated on there that You don't go anymore. Now You state You are a season ticket holder.

Liar

whoyadoin Posted on 26/01/2008 19:10
DGL can't win can he?

You pay for your stepson's season ticket.

YOU STILL DON'T GO TO GAMES!

SplendidStuff Posted on 26/01/2008 19:13
DGL can't win can he?

OOOOH DEAR [:D]

Mappy everyone knows you dont go, and you say put down the papers and dont watch tv[:D]

how the fuuck do YOU know whats happening then?

onthemap Posted on 26/01/2008 19:14
DGL can't win can he?

You feel foolish now Blain don't you?
whoyadoin, if you hammer them keys any harder they'll come off and then it'll be back to the playstation son.


whoyadoin Posted on 26/01/2008 19:18
DGL can't win can he?

Opinions are free - onthemap posting sh*te on the fanzine website does not make you a boro fan.

In my opinion you need to pull yourself away from your PC take stock of your life and do something positive.

Do something that makes you happy, rather than hiding your grief in a cloud of negativity.

scoea Posted on 26/01/2008 19:18
DGL can't win can he?

Where have I posted this fictional formation? When have I said we'd play with 5 strikers? When have I said that Ali is undroppable?

It's all made up nonsense, as usual. And I'm still awaiting your answer.

Blain87 Posted on 26/01/2008 19:20
DGL can't win can he?

Why would I feel foolish?

It's You who has been found out as a fraud.

onthemap Posted on 26/01/2008 19:21
DGL can't win can he?

I'm flattered boys I really am, so what I'm going to do now is sum the crrent situation up for you all:

1 Southgate got it right today.
2 DGL did well today.
3(hard to admit it I know, but) Ali was crap - again.
4 We miss Tuncay and GON
5 Rocky is getting better
6 Mido is way off the pace (understandably though).
7 If Pog is injured and Woody goes we are in the S***.
8 Arca is no way good enough as left back, back up.
9 Scwarzer made a couple of good stops.
10 Catt is woeful
11 We are in a 2nd successive relegation battle.
12 We don't need a cup run at this stage.
13 I annoy you all.

whoyadoin Posted on 26/01/2008 19:22
DGL can't win can he?

onthemap I hope you get well son. I'm off, I wish you the best of luck.


See ya'll at Wigan.

C'MON BORO!!

I fancy a Huddersfield V Boro Draw for the 5th round know a load of boro fans in the Hudd. Would be a mint laugh.

Hudd fans are a bit tasty aswell!!

scoea Posted on 26/01/2008 19:24
DGL can't win can he?

Points 2 and 3 show how little you know about the game.

Blain87 Posted on 26/01/2008 19:25
DGL can't win can he?

You seem proud that You annoy us.

I understand now. You want the attention.

onthemap Posted on 26/01/2008 19:32
DGL can't win can he?

whoyadoin, I can't see you at Wigan I'm needed here to give the expert analysis.

DGL committed the unforgivable sin today, he scored and took all the lovely running highlights away from Ali.
You watch, that Match of the Day will even show it.

What would you have preferred, him to flick the ball up like a Korean seal and run off in the other direction?
It's what forwards do - even poor ones.

SplendidStuff Posted on 26/01/2008 19:34
DGL can't win can he?

mappy you are so bitter you can't actually see that we are not knocking DGL for his goal, well im not anyway.

Yeah and answer me, if you don't goto the match, watch sky sports, or read the papers how do you provide 'expert analysis'?

scoea Posted on 26/01/2008 19:34
DGL can't win can he?

Just when I think you've reached the bottom of your barrel of arguments, you scrape another one out.

Blain87 Posted on 26/01/2008 19:37
DGL can't win can he?

Give it up onthemap. You're so far behind I'm beginning to feel sorry for you.

tuncay_turkish_delight Posted on 26/01/2008 19:38
DGL can't win can he?

This season DGL has scored against mansfield and northampton, because those are the type of teams he should be paying for.Ali doesnt score goals but has quality

onthemap Posted on 26/01/2008 19:38
DGL can't win can he?

If you two were fish I'd be sick of throwing you back.

How do you explain DGL outscoring your sweetheart, when he's had half the games, given how it's universally accepted that DGL is one of the worst strikers ever to wear the kit?

Try not to say he does other things besides score. I'm intrigued.

SplendidStuff Posted on 26/01/2008 19:41
DGL can't win can he?

Well for starters DGL played upfront and Ali was on the wing, so that might explain today don't you think 'expert [:D]

onthemap Posted on 26/01/2008 19:42
DGL can't win can he?

Ali couldn't outscore Amy Winehouse - be honest.

scoea Posted on 26/01/2008 19:42
DGL can't win can he?

Its not difficult to understand mappie, just look at the opposition.

What intrigues me is that you seem to be suggesting that DGL is a better player than Ali. Is that really what you are saying?

onthemap Posted on 26/01/2008 19:48
DGL can't win can he?

He seems to be a better goalscorer that's true, and frankly that's important, from time to time you need goals.
No Ali is faster, he may be better looking (I wouldn't know), but calling either of them good footballers is stretching things a bit.

DGL is woeful, but if it make you feel better, Ali is no more woeful.

scoea Posted on 26/01/2008 19:49
DGL can't win can he?

Good side step. Care to answer my question at 16.21?

onthemap Posted on 26/01/2008 19:54
DGL can't win can he?

If I'm correct, the question you ask at 16.21 is:
"why don't you agree to just disagree" or words to that effect.

My answer:

I do - this is my thread, you are in fact arguing against my opinion.

I trust that now answers my learned friend?

scoea Posted on 26/01/2008 19:56
DGL can't win can he?

Not satisfactorily. If you genuinely want to agree to disagree then why the multitude of threads on the subject on an almost daily basis?

SplendidStuff Posted on 26/01/2008 19:58
DGL can't win can he?

All time low.

Ali has 1 DGL has 2 so DGL is a better player [:D]

Heard it all now.

onthemap Posted on 26/01/2008 20:02
DGL can't win can he?

I think I've won haven't I.

SS Goalscorers are assessed on goals scored, now take that away and tell me what goes through your mind when you consider that one simple solitary assumption.

No need for War and Peace, just post what pops up.

SplendidStuff Posted on 26/01/2008 20:27
DGL can't win can he?

WON [:D]


ALI 1 GOAL

DGL 2 GOALS

Stop embarrasing yourself, really its not funny anymore.


Lost my train of thought there, oh yeah i dont actually have anything against DGL.

You have something against Ali which is the fact he scored a goal less than DGL, but like i say you have twisted it so much you have turned it into a debate between the two.

My original point was that Ali is worth keeping, not that hes a better goalscorer than DGL

[:D]


10/10 for effort tho [:D]

Blain87 Posted on 26/01/2008 21:08
DGL can't win can he?

How do You win a discussion?

You seem to want to channel the debate towards assessing them purely on their goalscoring records. Which quite frankly says more about Your understanding of the game than it does about either of their abilities.

But seen as though You're so persistent I'll indulge You. Gook has scored 2 goals against very poor lower league opposition. Aliadiere has scored against Manchester United, who have one of the best defences in the country. I would imagine its much harder to score against Manchester United than the teams Gook has scored against. Not much of an argument for Aliadiere being a better finisher (IMO none of them are natural goalscorers) but seen as though its YOUR thread and we're only allowed to argue the points YOU ALLOW its the best You could come up with.

On that basis I would like to announce onthemap as the winner of this conversation. Well done.

Although we all know goalscoring records aren't the be all and end all when judging strikers are they?

sasboro1 Posted on 26/01/2008 21:12
DGL can't win can he?

i remember andy campbell scoring against manutd..wonder what ever happened to him?

Blain87 Posted on 26/01/2008 21:14
DGL can't win can he?

Your comparison of Campbell and Aliadiere is as foolish as the comparison of Aliadiere and Bergkamp I didnt make.

onthemap Posted on 26/01/2008 21:16
DGL can't win can he?

Campbell brought so much more to the game though sas, remember how fast he was?

sasboro1 Posted on 26/01/2008 21:17
DGL can't win can he?

not really as andy cambell made 28 sub appearances for boro but still managed 4 goals

exactly onthemap, plus he even got a couple more goals

Blain87 Posted on 26/01/2008 21:21
DGL can't win can he?

Well if You can't see the difference in Campbell's game and Aliadiere's game then You're on the wrong board. Go and talk about a sport like darts where the amount a player scores is the be all and end all.

SplendidStuff Posted on 26/01/2008 21:22
DGL can't win can he?

Andy Cambell better 'player' than Ali [:D]

Noticed i said player NOT goalscorer, just to prevent any misunderstanding or bullshiit from mappy.

Your boyfriend is here now mappy, you can berate Ali hand in hand [:D]

billyashcroft Posted on 26/01/2008 21:23
DGL can't win can he?

I admit to not reading the second half of this thread but the simple truth is both players are tryers gook not premiership class but still battles. ali runs round a lot but doesn't provide much in the way of goals. get behind both!

Why does everyone get on gooks back ffs he wears a boro shirt, worry about slagging him off when he plays elsewhere.

Stabilo_Boss Posted on 26/01/2008 21:23
DGL can't win can he?

So sas and onthemap, it basically boils down to this...

if a striker scores he's had a good game
if he doesn't he's had a bad game

It's that simple.

Sorry but that's the mentality of 6 year olds in the play ground.

sasboro1 Posted on 26/01/2008 21:24
DGL can't win can he?

aliadiere and campbell have similar style as they base their game on pace. take away the pace and what have you got left. pus both similar level. whereas bergkamp didnt need pace and was a totally different type of player plus he scores about 150 goals and was a proven international.

onthemap Posted on 26/01/2008 21:25
DGL can't win can he?

The thread was in praise of DGL scoring today, he's had that much stick lesser players would have crumbled, I was just saying credit where due.
Then the raras got angry.

Blain87 Posted on 26/01/2008 21:25
DGL can't win can he?

I think Gook gets off pretty lightly when You compare some stick others get. At the games I normally hear a good reception for Gook. No boo's normally. Obviously not his fault he plays.

Aliadiere has alot more to his game than being a 'trier' aswell.

SplendidStuff Posted on 26/01/2008 21:26
DGL can't win can he?

So sas will Ali be playing same league as cambell in a few years time?

Stabilo_Boss Posted on 26/01/2008 21:26
DGL can't win can he?

Go on, I'll indulge you.

How do campbell and Ali differ?

Touch
Awareness
Passing ability

would be the main 3.

I sure this thread is one big wind up. It's embarrassing if not.

billyashcroft Posted on 26/01/2008 21:29
DGL can't win can he?

i've heard loads of boos...the boo boys didn't know what to do at pompey! oh f*ck he's had a good game!

SplendidStuff Posted on 26/01/2008 21:29
DGL can't win can he?

Blain exactly nobody knocks DGL, i want all boro players to do well and leave the decisions to the management, afterall what can we do about team choice?

Good on him for the goal i was made up for him, and i thought Ali was good on the wing, a real problem for them today.

Even when Ali put ball in for DGL and he missed header i was happy that both tried their best.

I try not to be negative when i see positive input but certain posters want to only see the negative in some players whilst only observing the positive in others.

SplendidStuff Posted on 26/01/2008 21:31
DGL can't win can he?

mappy talks about stick [:D]

You for real??

sasboro1 Posted on 26/01/2008 21:31
DGL can't win can he?

Well considering andy campbell spent a couple of season with cardiff the championship (or div1 a coule of years ago) then more than likely that will wehere alaidiere will end up if he doesnt start scoring. unless he is happy just to be a bench warmer

scoea Posted on 26/01/2008 21:32
DGL can't win can he?

So, what have we established on this thread?

In summary, mappie judges the performance of a striker solely on whether he scores or not and not on performance, which is lucky given that he doesn't attend any games and so can still give his expert opinion based on those statistics.

If it ever gets tricky in the debate he simply makes up arguments that his adversary has supposedly made.

We have also established that he cannot see any real difference between Campbell and Aliadiere.

Then, to top it all off, he can't simply acknowledge that we disagree and instead has to revert to calling people clowns.

Anything else?

PE22_9NP Posted on 26/01/2008 21:34
DGL can't win can he?

THAT header - 50p head.

Blain87 Posted on 26/01/2008 21:34
DGL can't win can he?

Andy Campbell is playing for Halifax now?

I think We can safely say Aliadiere will never play for a club outside of the Football League.

onthemap Posted on 26/01/2008 21:35
DGL can't win can he?

Yes we've established that some posters can suffer acute embarrassment, even over a messageboard discussion.

SplendidStuff Posted on 26/01/2008 21:35
DGL can't win can he?

blain dont revert to facts man, make up some bullshiit or at least change the subject [:D]

sasboro1 Posted on 26/01/2008 21:37
DGL can't win can he?

but he signed(for Ł1m) for cardiff a few seasons ago who were in the league below the premier league. if we sold alaiadiere tomorrow where do you think he would end up? most probably in the championship.

scoea Posted on 26/01/2008 21:38
DGL can't win can he?

I absolutely agree mappie. At last you accept that you've embarrassed yourself. It ain't just me saying it, your ridiculous stance is there for all to see now.

Blain87 Posted on 26/01/2008 21:39
DGL can't win can he?

Probably a French team.

Do You think Aliadiere will play in a team outside the Football League? If Campbell was as good as Aliadiere He would be able to get a game in a higher league, no?

onthemap Posted on 26/01/2008 21:43
DGL can't win can he?

I'll tell you whats been established, 160 odd posts later and we're still arguing over who's better Ali or DGL, I think it's fair to assume that Ali is as woeful as DGL is.

Don't worry though, if Southgate signs another striker we can start this all over again, you can gush for Gareth and I'll look at how good the player actually is.

scoea Posted on 26/01/2008 21:45
DGL can't win can he?

I don't even think YOU know what you're on about now and so we have no chance at all.

Blain87 Posted on 26/01/2008 21:45
DGL can't win can he?

"I'll look at how good the player actually is."

By looking at who scored the goals on MOTD and take nothing else into account?

onthemap Posted on 26/01/2008 21:49
DGL can't win can he?

The thing is, and all joking aside, as soon as we get another striker we won't have to watch either of them, as both will be in the stiffs or at best appear on the bench occassionally.

Which again proves my point.

scoea Posted on 26/01/2008 21:50
DGL can't win can he?

Exactly Blain.

More to the point - this thread was not written to praise DGL, it was a means to have yet another dig at Aliadiere, which brings me back to a point that remains unanswered. The reason it remains unanswered is because mappie can't answer it without making himself look even dafter than he already does.

You know what many of us think of Aliadiere and by god we know what his view is. Given that mappie is happy to simply agree to differ - why does he keep on posting threads attacking Aliadiere?

ravs Posted on 26/01/2008 21:52
DGL can't win can he?

"So, what have we established on this thread?

blah, blah, blah

Anything else?"

Well scoea, now that you ask, I'm still awaiting a response to my question at 17:56. I know it's not an easy one [;)]

onthemap Posted on 26/01/2008 21:53
DGL can't win can he?

Ok no more attacking Ali posts, lets all just try, take a deep breath, and give credit to DGL for his goal today, like in the opening post.

scoea Posted on 26/01/2008 21:57
DGL can't win can he?

No problem with that mappie. I don't think I've argued otherwise. I thought he was poor in general play but yep he scored a goal so well done to him.

ravs - sorry I missed that. In short, the answer is no. The reason? I don't believe I post anti-Southgate bile on a daily basis and nor am I unwilling to see any positives or given any credit to Southgate. That OK for you?

sasboro1 Posted on 26/01/2008 21:58
DGL can't win can he?

blain, alaidiere is only getting his game at boro cos we are desperate for mido to get fit and we are waiting to get another striker in. he is championships standard. his goals record shows that. he has as many league goals as luke young and george boateng. Do you not see that southgate is bringing in a new striker to take his place in the team. where do you think aliadiere will play once we get mido fit and alves in?

how many premier league teams do you think would sign him if he was available? which teams would want him?

scoea Posted on 26/01/2008 21:59
DGL can't win can he?

Do we have a deal then mappie? No more threads?

ravs Posted on 26/01/2008 22:02
DGL can't win can he?

Okay scoea. I was disappointed the other day when you seemed to be overlooking all of the problems and responsibities with Woodgate's brattish behaviour and pointing towards Southgate's and the club's supposed poor handling of the matter. That I don't agree with!

red_shamrock Posted on 26/01/2008 22:03
DGL can't win can he?

Stop it Scoea.

Blain87 Posted on 26/01/2008 22:04
DGL can't win can he?

sas, could You point me to the place where I said Ali is going to play ahead of Alves and Mido please. Just a little confused on that one.

Aliadiere's goal record suggests he belongs in the Championship yet his all round play suggests otherwise.

Of the teams in the PL I'd say Ali was better than Sunderlands, Wigans, Derbys, Fulhams and Birminghams second best strikers so maybe they would have a look at him.

scoea Posted on 26/01/2008 22:04
DGL can't win can he?

I wasn't though. Big Shot thought the same thing and so I must have been unclear.

Woodgate has brought this situation on himself, he is responsible for why we got to where we have. However, Southgate is now responsible for how we move forward and it is that that I disagree with.

I get the impression that Gate is playing a bit of poker here and I hope it doesn't backfire.

onthemap Posted on 26/01/2008 22:06
DGL can't win can he?

"Please don't post anymore" now I've heard everything.

Sas, you will not get any answers because they can't face up to reality.

Blain87 Posted on 26/01/2008 22:08
DGL can't win can he?

"The thing is, and all joking aside"

So You were on a wind up all along then onthemap?

scoea Posted on 26/01/2008 22:09
DGL can't win can he?

I don't mind if you post to be honest. I'm just trying to save you from yourself. I tell you what though, that's it for me. You know what I think on the subject and it's pointless me repeating it.

ravs Posted on 26/01/2008 22:09
DGL can't win can he?

As I've said on other threads, I think Southgate is simply saying we want you to stay, get on board like the rest of the TEAM, but if not where do you want us to shop you too. Nothing wrong with that and I don't think it's a bluff!

sasboro1 Posted on 26/01/2008 22:11
DGL can't win can he?

blain, who wants to sign a striker that doesnt score goals. I'm sure only derby would want him. all the other teams have better strikers. heskey,bent,dempsey,jones who all have a few more goals

Ok, when we sign alves where will alaidiere fit into the team in the long term? or even short term

Blain87 Posted on 26/01/2008 22:12
DGL can't win can he?

Scoea wants to agree to a truce with You because You are so tedious, repeating the same S*** on every thread You write every day.

Its obvious You 2 will never agree so it would be the adult thing to leave the argument alone until something happens that may change one of your opinions.

bear66 Posted on 26/01/2008 22:16
DGL can't win can he?

Those at the game today thought DGL had a good game capped by a goal - not much more could be asked really - lots of armchair critics here

Blain87 Posted on 26/01/2008 22:17
DGL can't win can he?

Better than Ali -

Sunderland - Jones and ?
Wigan - Heskey and ?
Fulham - Dempsey and ?
Derby - ?
Birmingham - McFadden and ?

IMO Ali would improve all their starting 11's so if we said we want to sell all would look at him.

Aliadiere would offer cover for Alves and Mido, and an alternative coming off the bench if we want to change formations/tactics.

SplendidStuff Posted on 26/01/2008 22:17
DGL can't win can he?

bear everyone on here thought DGL did well, this thread is a backdoor attack on Ali.

Long story [:D]

onthemap Posted on 26/01/2008 22:20
DGL can't win can he?

You know what you are missing?
I didn't actually criticise Ali at all, I compared the different level of support he would have got on here if he'd scored rather than DGL.

Nothing to do with the player at all.

I think the length of this thread perhaps bears that out.

Antway time for Guinness so feel free to avoid this last post and get some cheap shots in.

Blain87 Posted on 26/01/2008 22:24
DGL can't win can he?

And the extra support Ali would have got is because the majority of people realise Ali is twice the player Gook is.

If You turned up to games You might agree with the vast majority of fans.

sasboro1 Posted on 26/01/2008 22:25
DGL can't win can he?

sorry missed off healy at fulham and Sibierski at wigan and jerome,forsell and birmingham.

Do you see my point blain, he would barely get into a team at the bottom of the league. Surely we are aiming to climb the league not be at the bottom.

scoea Posted on 26/01/2008 22:29
DGL can't win can he?

Healy, Sibierski, Forsell and Jerome?

F*** me.

SplendidStuff Posted on 26/01/2008 22:34
DGL can't win can he?

DGL is a poor player and striker, Aliadiere is a poor striker and a good player.

Ali has more positive input on a game than DGL. goal ratio argument is lame.

I dont even have anything against DGL, i wish him the best for the boro but ive been forced to compare the two [:D]

sasboro1 Posted on 26/01/2008 22:44
DGL can't win can he?

scoea, go on check their records. why would any other premier leageu team want to sign aliadiere when they have bette strikers?

Blain87 Posted on 26/01/2008 23:51
DGL can't win can he?

Of the players You have named, I would only rather have Jones and Mcfadden. The rest I would not.

I've never claimed he is of the standard to be in our starting XI once we progress and hopefully climb the table. You're beginning to copy onthemap, making up other peoples opinions to suit your argument. I just think people should recognise his qualities. He is good enough to be in our squad.

onthemap - "Sas, you will not get any answers because they can't face up to reality."

What would You like us to answer? You rambling drunken fool.

Just incase You don't realise what we mean by 'Aliadiere has qualities other than goals', I just watched our scond goal on MOTD and what other striker in our squad could beat his man in our half and carry the ball 50 yards to the edge of their area, setting up our counter-attack?

foggysfplandiet2 Posted on 27/01/2008 00:12
DGL can't win can he?

Aliadiere has great pace and is very talented, just remember how we rapidly went downhill when he was injured. However, his finishing IS poor but he would get into my Boro team for his pace and skill, not his goalscoring.

onthemap Posted on 27/01/2008 06:08
DGL can't win can he?

So me highlighting the fact that Ali would have scores of idiots telling us how great his goal was, if he ever scored that is, is in no way backed up by the 200 posts on this one thread.

Betcha can't wait for Ali to score again, I'm quietly confident he won't btw.

Candy and babies come to mind.


onthemap Posted on 27/01/2008 06:26
DGL can't win can he?

Foggy "just remember how we rapidly went downhill when he was injured".

How rapidly we went down when he was injured? Where to exactly, we've been fighting relegation all season, did we go down?

Is this another imaginary poster? Scoea is this you?

Bren_MFC Posted on 27/01/2008 10:13
DGL can't win can he?

Dean Saunders on Radio 5 live described DGL as having a head like a Toblerone.

wolfman86 Posted on 27/01/2008 10:22
DGL can't win can he?

I didnt read all 180 odd posts but i think anyone who knows football will see that aliadiere brings a lot more to the side than gook lee, and i dont think for one minute we will see him here next season when his contract runs out. as for ali? he may have to be content with a place on the bench but with the injuries that occur in football these days he would still probably start at least half our games.

otto62 Posted on 27/01/2008 14:21
DGL can't win can he?

Onthemap caught out in a lie shock!!

Initial post:- "because a few of the more prominent self appointed football brains on here have embarrassed themselves by claiming Ali is a superb player." = OTM criticising Ali.

Post at 22:20:- "You know what you are missing? I didn't actually criticise Ali at all," = OTM denying criticising Ali.

Knowing your penchant for twisting what people say I'll comment further. The implication of your initial post was not that "Ali is not a superb player" but that "Ali is a poor player" & this is supported by many of your other contributions to this thread.

We all know the thread was aimed at Ali. You don't care about DGL at all, you only care about using him as a stick to beat Ali.

Finally (& sorry for the long post) OTM is barely a Boro fan, certainly not a supporter either of the club, the manager, or the players. If anything he is merely a supporter of himself.

smifter Posted on 27/01/2008 14:24
DGL can't win can he?

10 green bottles sitting on the wall, 10 green bottles sitting on the wall, and if lee dong gook should accidentally score they'll be 9 green bottles sitting on the wall..

scoea Posted on 27/01/2008 14:29
DGL can't win can he?

otto62 - I agree completely with your post save for your assertion that OTM isn't a fan. I think he is and that he genuinely only wants the best for Boro. However, the way he goes about his seemingly personal vendetta against Aliadiere with thread after thread, with the insulting of those that disagree with him, with his unwillingness to even consider an alternative view, with his making up of what posters have previously posted and with his refusal to simply accept that some disagree with him is embarrassing.

otto62 Posted on 27/01/2008 14:36
DGL can't win can he?

I did say 'barely' a fan. [:D]

Blain87 Posted on 27/01/2008 14:48
DGL can't win can he?

Scoea, you forgot the delusion that he has 'won' 'his' thread using such phrases as 'If you two were fish, Id be tired of throwing you back' and 'candy from a baby' when he has so clearly been embarassed and should admit it was partly due to drink and apologise.

scoea Posted on 27/01/2008 17:53
DGL can't win can he?

Agreed blain. Even drink is no excuse though.

LemmyKilmister Posted on 27/01/2008 17:55
DGL can't win can he?

Nearly there lads.

confidence_in_water Posted on 27/01/2008 17:57
DGL can't win can he?

DGL is clearly a big topic

The_263 Posted on 28/01/2008 06:07
DGL can't win can he?

I would add that DGL is becoming an embarrassment for the club, Aliadiare is not. nuff said.

BTW: People say that Maccorone's stats were decent, shows how misleading they can be.