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Arthur_Chestnut Posted on 13/01/2009 12:29
Gibson is right to lay the law down

Steve Gibson is correct to make the decision not to dip into the transfer market. And, he has even more correct in not letting any players leave the club during this transfer window.
The players who signed for this club signed fully knowing what was expected, and how much faith the Chairman, Director and Manager has put into them. Suddenly when the ship wobbles, and loses ground, certain players are quick to voice their concern and slap in transfer requests. They should appreciate the support they have been given, and get this club out of the mess on the playing field that they themselves have got the club into.
Also, buying new players is never the short term answer, as it takes time for new signings to adjust and adapt to their teammates and tactics.
Football is 50% talent, and 50% mental strength.
I am sure the situation and decisions of certain players will be looked into once the season is over, but in the meantime, its all about hard work, and having a positive attitude.

Earn your wages!

grantus Posted on 13/01/2009 12:32
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Very good in theory, but we all knew our squad was very small with some obvious weaknesses right back at the start of the season.

Remember that we were trying to sign another central midfielder BEFORE we sold Cattermole.

Arthur_Chestnut Posted on 13/01/2009 12:35
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In an ideal world we would all like to have more than what we have, but things sometimes dont work out. Signings do not materialise with various reasons behind it.
Why suddenly do fans think its fair to start the witch hunt.
Whatever people think of Gareth Southgate, he gave players the chance to shine under a youth policy and attack minded approach.
Gareth unlocked alot of the shackles that previous managers had placed the squad under.

Ericmus Posted on 13/01/2009 12:38
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The trouble is footballers are people too!
Have a look in your own workplace (whatever level or business) and you will have a cross-section of people who whine, bullies, people who are just not very nice and people who get on with the job (I guess it's no different in the dressing room). Do you think your work colleagues could get a result on Saturday? I think my lot are relegation fodder.

onthemap Posted on 13/01/2009 12:40
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Presumably you think these players are capable of playing much better?

As if they're deliberately aiming for relegation and out of the Premiership?

Arthur_Chestnut Posted on 13/01/2009 12:42
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I think my work colleagues are in a slightly different position to a modern day Premier League footballer.
The players are paid highly, treated with respect, diet looked after, fantastic training facilities.
Now is not the time for fans and players alike to be even thinking of relegation, quite the opposite, they have all the means to focus themselves and prepare for what may be a difficult few months ahead.
And if I was in Mr Gibsons shoes, I would be asking for a huge amount of effort.

ian_elliot Posted on 13/01/2009 12:43
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>"The players are paid highly, treated with respect"

Are you sure about the last bit?

Arthur_Chestnut Posted on 13/01/2009 12:43
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onthemap: Yes I do, and i wholeheartedly agree with Keith Lambs assesment of the playing staff. This is the best squad we ever have had at MFC, some of countries finest young talent in one place.

Arthur_Chestnut Posted on 13/01/2009 12:46
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So you are saying that the Chairman, Directors and Management have not treated these players with respect?

The club has put some of the best foundations in place around these players to make sure they have the best facilities. The lengths the club has gone to to make sure everyone is happy would astound some people.

What price now for a return in that loyalty?

sasboro1 Posted on 13/01/2009 12:48
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"Steve Gibson is correct to make the decision not to dip into the transfer market."

absolute bollock! we have a small squad and a few players injured and others not performing. our current squad needs freshening up.

"Also, buying new players is never the short term answer, as it takes time for new signings to adjust and adapt to their teammates and tactics."

no it doesnt, some signings make an impact. ie score goals or improve the defence.

if the money is there we need to bring in new players. pointless sitting on the cash and hoping for the best.

ian_elliot Posted on 13/01/2009 12:50
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>"So you are saying that the Chairman, Directors and Management have not treated these players with respect?"

Nope.

You've mentioned about 20 or so people there - how about the 27,000 or so people that turn up every other Saturday?

Arthur_Chestnut Posted on 13/01/2009 12:51
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sasboro: This is not 1978, we are in a modern game, where a player who has the ability to make impacts will come at an inflated price. Do you honestly believe the club has'nt looked at other options of strenghtening. Of course they have, but there is nothing better out there than what we already have, and if their is, then you can bet the big clubs would have been there first.

sasboro1 Posted on 13/01/2009 12:55
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have you not thought that we have no money to spend so we wont be bringing anyone in. if we had money to spend considering our league position it is foolish to sit on the money when our current squad could get us relegated. i dont see what 1978 has to do with it. you can sign players who will contribute between now and end of the season.

"Of course they have, but there is nothing better out there than what we already have, and if their is, then you can bet the big clubs would have been there first."

Dont tlak rubbish there are plenty of players out there who are better than what we have.(why do you think we are near the bottom and without a win in 1 games) we can even bring in one or tow players on loan. remember the impact Fuchs made when he came on loan. what about other players like geremi, frank q, woodgate who all made instant impacts

onthemap Posted on 13/01/2009 12:58
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I think you'll find that Riggott is playing to the absolute maximum of his capabilities.

As are a number of the substandard players we have no choice but to persevere with.

This team is made up of quality in the shape of Downing, Tuncay, Wheater and GON, then there a few who can do it given an almost perfect set of circumstances, Huth, Mido, Alves.

The rest are playing to the absolute limit of their capabilities.

This bullS*** being spouted by the club is purely and simply a means of taking the spotlight away from the lack of investment.

Arthur_Chestnut Posted on 13/01/2009 12:58
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Without having an insight into the finances of MFC, I trust the Chairman is making the right long term decisions regarding any financial situation.
It may well be a case of limited resources, and even more so for the Chairman to reiterate his stance on 110% effort from the current squad.
Why should the chairman get his chequebook out again, surely we have bought enough quality over the last two years to be making improvements. Times are hard, belts need to be tightened, and we all need to pull together for what could be a difficult few months ahead. If Steve Gibson needed solidarity, then now is the time.

Ericmus Posted on 13/01/2009 13:00
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Arthur, I certainly agree with your sentimnents about digging deep and putting things right. But the character of these footballers was decided long before they became footballers - and it is a difficult thing to change who you are. Wheater and Mido aren't bad examples!

Money and privilege don't give you the character we need at the moment - which is what concerns me.

sasboro1 Posted on 13/01/2009 13:03
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"Why should the chairman get his chequebook out again, surely we have bought enough quality over the last two years to be making improvements."

Because over the last 18 months the squad is getting weaker and weaker as southgate has to balance the books. But if we dont get new players in there is a serious risk of getting relegated with the current squad. Are you telling me we cant find a striker who can play more games than mido, or 1 or 2 midfielders who are better than arca or we cant find a right midfielder better than ali or GON? or find someone who is better than shawky or emnes?

club have said there is no money to spend and no one is leaving. that is why we arnt getting anyone in

Arthur_Chestnut Posted on 13/01/2009 13:04
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Well if someone cannot control their personal feelings and crack on with the task at hand, then those said people need to address their maturity. Maybe certain players are causing unrest and acting in a irresponsible manner, but that alone will not guarantee a revolving door for them to move onto somewhere else, when MFC has invested time and money in them.
I'm sick of hearing the gossip and hearsay on this player and that player. Its time for them to grow up, and start repaying the Chairman who took time out to complete the deals to bring these players to the Club.

sasboro1 Posted on 13/01/2009 13:06
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maybe the players just arnt good enough.

Arthur_Chestnut Posted on 13/01/2009 13:09
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That is something that will be looked at for next season, but they aint going nowhere, and its upto them to prove to everyone they have a future in professional football.

When we signed these players, there were plenty of other clubs monitoring their situation too, or maybe we are alone in our assesment of their potential and capabilities.

sasboro1 Posted on 13/01/2009 13:12
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"its upto them to prove to everyone they have a future in professional football."

so if we get relegated will they all suddenly retire? probably not they will just leave and go to another club. maybe a few of them have one eye on leaving in the summer and cant be bothered. maybe they see relegation as a way that will get the club to let them leave.

we need fresh players to give the team a boost. what happens if nothing changes between now and 1st feb?

Arthur_Chestnut Posted on 13/01/2009 13:16
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You can't just keep on throwing money at it. We have'nt got an unlimited pot of gold, that has been stated on many occasions by the Director and Chairman. As for retiring players. Look at it this way, they are currently playing in the best league in the world, at the highest of club football. Why would any player want to drop a division just because the preverbial dummy has been spat.
They are intelligent enough to know that decision would not benefit them.

sasboro1 Posted on 13/01/2009 13:22
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"They are intelligent enough to know that decision would not benefit them."

So if mido,GON,downing all want to leave and the club are currently refusing them a transfer then probably the best way to be let go would be if the club got relegated. Why would you try to keep us up and risk the club not wanting to sell you? if we got relegated the club would be quick to sell you to save money.

"You can't just keep on throwing money at it"

im not suggesting throwing money at it. we can get a few loan signings in that dont cost money if we wont sell.

thing is if gibson is sitting on the money(say, £5m) if we get relegated then he loses even more money.

the currrent squad is not good enough and we could get relegated. gibson is hoping that refusing a move for the unhappy players will mean they knuckle down. but why knuckle down when you wil be sold in the summer anyway?

Arthur_Chestnut Posted on 13/01/2009 13:23
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And, as for signings. We have just held off the dogs who were queuing up for the signature of Stewart Downing. A local lad who has progressed into the England squad.
For the first time in the clubs history we have managed to keep one of our best players, that alone should be applauded.
A line has been drawn by Mr Gibson, and a clear message sent out.

Its time to back him and the club.

sasboro1 Posted on 13/01/2009 13:24
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"For the first time in the clubs history we have managed to keep one of our best players,2

do you really think we have kept him for the long term?

Arthur_Chestnut Posted on 13/01/2009 13:27
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Only Steve Gibson knows that answer.

How many times have we witnessed players like Johnston, Hodgson, Ziege, Sounness etc etc being 'headturned' and sold to 'bigger' football clubs. It was heartbreaking then, and it would have been no different now.

Its seriously time all the fans got behind the chairman, manager and team for the rest of the season, and then i trust Steve Gibson to assess the overall structure and playing staff of the club, and make those decisions then, and then only.

ian_elliot Posted on 13/01/2009 13:27
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>"For the first time in the clubs history we have managed to keep one of our best players"

Really? If you are talking about Stewart Downing then we've "managed to keep him" for something like 6 successive transfer windows despite Spurs' attentions.

sasboro1 Posted on 13/01/2009 13:29
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but the point i am making is that no one goes and no one comes in, but our current squad is not that good and is at risk of sending us down. it need freshening up. i just dont see the benefit of gibson sitting on the money when we are close to bottom.

Arthur_Chestnut Posted on 13/01/2009 13:31
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Dont want to get involved in the logistics and stats of the Downing affair, but you know where I was coming from!

We've been in this situation before, and other clubs come calling for our most talented players. It could have been so easy to let him go and take the 15m. But surely you can see what Gibbo's saying.

Enough is enough, no-one out and no-one in.

Arthur_Chestnut Posted on 13/01/2009 13:33
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Sasboro: We haven't got any transfer funds. This has been clearly stated, if someone comes in, then one goes out. And being in the relegation battle hardly puts the club in a good position at the bargaining table.

sasboro1 Posted on 13/01/2009 13:34
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i thought you said that gibson is right to decide not to dip into the transfer market - you made it sound like we had money to spend.

everton sold rooney and seemed to have done ok. it is all down to who you bring in to replace them.

Arthur_Chestnut Posted on 13/01/2009 13:36
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We would only be in a position to buy if we sold, that has always been the case. And even if he raided his piggy bank, why should he, he's paid out enough on transfers over the last 2 years.

mikehunt Posted on 13/01/2009 13:36
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Our debt is roughly equivalent to the net transfer spend of the last ten years.
We have a bigger debt than most because we have spent net more than most over that period.Gibson has speculated bravely.
The truth is that we have not spent it very well, particularly in the last three years. For whatever reason our buys have been disappointing.
Without the academy we would have been in relegation trouble earlier.
Truth is we won't be able to stretch debt further and should cut it if we possibly can whilst staying in premier. That's going to be one hell of an ask and I just don't see the academy being good enough realistically to compensate for our lack of transfer budget.
Unfortunately I don't trust Gareth's ability to buy well, or wheel and deal, as much as I would love to. We need someone who will sweat th academy AND be able to wheel and deal until we get debt back under control.
Is Gareth really that man ?

Arthur_Chestnut Posted on 13/01/2009 13:43
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MikeHunt: Even more reason to stick with what we have. Its gonna be hard, but its time for players to dig deep.

As for Southgate, it would be wise to assess at the end of the season. Its times like these that mould successful managers.

sasboro1 Posted on 13/01/2009 13:45
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"he's paid out enough on transfers over the last 2 years."

But a lot has been brought in through sale. jsut that southgate has not spent it wisely

Arthur_Chestnut Posted on 13/01/2009 13:48
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We can only judge the signing in how they have performed that is true. But it's unfair to lay the blame at Southgates doorstep.

Also, i believe that Southgate has the integrity and honesty to sit down with the chairman and realise that maybe he cannot take the club any further, if he felt that was the case.

sasboro1 Posted on 13/01/2009 13:52
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"But it's unfair to lay the blame at Southgates doorstep."

yes he isnt the one who decided to spend loads of money on unfit, unproven or unmotivated(we all knew what mido was like) players. Southgate has got us in this mess. he doesnt seem to be able to make good signings and motivate players. gibbo is at fault for appointing him.

"Also, i believe that Southgate has the integrity and honesty to sit down with the chairman and realise that maybe he cannot take the club any further, if he felt that was the case."

i think poor results against blackburn and west brom then that might be the time to go. barring a miracle we wont win at chelsea. also got a tricky cup tie too. tough january

Holgateoldskool Posted on 13/01/2009 13:56
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I would find it hard to believe that (this old) Chestnut fella is not attached to the club in some capacity - possibly PR dept????!!!!

Arthur_Chestnut Posted on 13/01/2009 13:56
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Who was unfit? Who was unproven? (Mido had bagged 13 goals in the Premiership prior to being sold) and who was unmotivated? (they were certainly motivated to get their backsides in the signing seat and take their transfer cut!

Sometimes you can take a horse to the water and all that!

sasboro1 Posted on 13/01/2009 14:02
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unfit - huth. he had injury problem well documented
unproven - emnes
mido - had about 7 clubs before us. season before signing for us he managed 1 goal from 12 games.


"Sometimes you can take a horse to the water and all that!"

yes but in the end it falls to the manager, we he sells, who he signs, his tactics, his motivation skills. that is what he is there for. if players arnt motivate then you have to question the manager. do the likes of clough, morininho,ferguson ever have problem motivating players? maye the players dont respect southgate anymore.

Arthur_Chestnut Posted on 13/01/2009 14:08
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I cant comment on what Mr A and Mr B think of Gareth Southgate. How much motivation does one guy need to fulfill his responsibilities in a Boro shirt? Robert Huth barring a niggling injury, was a great signing for MFC, and he's still only 24. So good infact, that the German national team want him in their side!

Cannot disagree that GS has made some tactical errors, but he never hid from his decisions, and we all knew it was a learning curve for him. It may or may not be a decision that bears fruit in hiring him, but at the moment there is nobody else who knows the club and understands the squad who can take over.

Who do you suggest?

Holgateoldskool Posted on 13/01/2009 14:09
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Maybe gareths judgement in thinking he can take the club further would only prove to me that his judgement is flawed.

We're going backwards at a rate of knots and I have seen nothing in his managerial skills to prove he's up to it and get us out of a situation he and his signings have created.

So tell him that Arthur when you see him at either the Riverside and Hurworth.

Arthur_Chestnut Posted on 13/01/2009 14:10
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And you speak from experience Holgateoldskool? You have the skills and coaching credentials to make a judgement on Gareth do you?

sasboro1 Posted on 13/01/2009 14:13
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"Who do you suggest?"

if we fail to beat blackburn&west brom and possibly lose in the fa cup then sack him or recommend he resigns. appoint someone in the back room staff that the players respect. then in the summer appoint someone with plenty of experience and contacts in the game.

at some point you have to realise that he has done the best he can and in the best interests of the club he has to quit.

Arthur_Chestnut Posted on 13/01/2009 14:16
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So do you suggest the playing staff put names in the 'respect' hat and pull out a candidate to take over?

I can see the players lining up outside the 'Respect appointments by committee' door

Holgateoldskool Posted on 13/01/2009 14:17
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I'll tell you what I have got Arthur a greater perspective of our squad's strengths and weaknesses than Gareth. I said pre season we'd struggle with the personnel - whats happened? We've struggled.

I am damn sure I wouldn't come out with crass comments - lessons to be learned for example- when?

Young fit fast team - where? We can't see a game out. Its HIM that needed to lay down the law. From the outside that does not appear to have happened or the players are not listening.

As a player,as a man - greatest respect for him. As a manager ? Forget it.

What amazes me is that millions have been spent to get us to the Prem league and this year unlless there is a mighty seachange we will give that position up with a whimper.

Now unmask yourself and tell us what capacity at the club you work in........

Arthur_Chestnut Posted on 13/01/2009 14:21
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Why don't we just hire you Mr Skool, you claim to have this perspective!

Football management is not like playing a game on a computer, there are certainly more facets to the job that just deciding the team for Saturday.

We all have opinions on how the team should play, that's the beautiful part of the game. But I am sure that even you, a man with a truly wonderful perspective on the team, would struggle when faced with the full management of the team, training and tactics.

However, I'm sure we will keep your experience on file.

sasboro1 Posted on 13/01/2009 14:22
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"So do you suggest the playing staff put names in the 'respect' hat and pull out a candidate to take over?

I can see the players lining up outside the 'Respect appointments by committee' door"

..err no, gibson can find out from the players which of the back room staff they respect and likely to respond to. maybe crosby or colib cooper for example

in the end if we see no improvement in results in january then something has to change. otherwise we go down. if no player are coming in then you need to change the management. it cant carry on as it is

Holgateoldskool Posted on 13/01/2009 14:26
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Patronise me if that is your want.I'll tell you this MFC employee when fans can see the glaring deficiencies of the team, squad it shows you don't need badges and qualifications.

And you talk about training,tactics - not exactly our strongest hand is it.Why don't you add coaching? Seems Catts and Morrison are begining to develop on potential shown - but not nurtured whilst with us.

Ericmus Posted on 13/01/2009 14:27
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"I'll tell you what I have got Arthur a greater perspective of our squad's strengths and weaknesses than Gareth."

"I am damn sure I wouldn't come out with crass comments"

Made me smile!

Arthur_Chestnut Posted on 13/01/2009 14:28
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OK SasBoro, players and Chairman are highly unlikely to ever discuss which backroom staff they respect, partly because that is something that playing staff refrain from for personality clash reasons.

Malcolm Crosby has already had one failed attempt at management, and has returned to a coaching role, where I would imagine, he feels he can make more of a difference.

Colin Cooper, is currently learning his trade as a professional coach.

sasboro1 Posted on 13/01/2009 14:31
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"Colin Cooper, is currently learning his trade as a professional coach."

the daft thing in all this, was that cooper had more coaching experience when southgate was chosen as manager.

"Malcolm Crosby has already had one failed attempt at management"

didnt he get sunderland to a cup final?

"OK SasBoro, players and Chairman are highly unlikely to ever discuss which backroom staff they respect, partly because that is something that playing staff refrain from for personality clash reasons."

when the manager has gone then he can speak to a few players off the record and gauge if any of the coaches can step in. how do oyu think think sunderland picked their manager after keane left?

Arthur_Chestnut Posted on 13/01/2009 14:34
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How Mr Quinn decides on how to appoint a new manager is his business.
But I doubt that player power or collective 'respect' opinions were asked. Decisions of that calibre are usually made at a higher board level, and made with decisive action.

Holgateoldskool Posted on 13/01/2009 14:34
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Taking your time Arthur..... Have I raised issues outside of your script????!!!!!!

sasboro1 Posted on 13/01/2009 14:36
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so how do you think he may have decided on appointing a member of the back room staff as the next manager. maybe he got good recommendations. just like happens in other jobs when they are lookign to promote someone.

Arthur_Chestnut Posted on 13/01/2009 14:37
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I admire your belief in the current coaching set-up that they could make the transition into full management and be more successful than Gareth is. At least the club is doing something right!

bear66 Posted on 13/01/2009 14:39
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If Southgate walks, Arca as player manager will be the next way of saving some money

Arthur_Chestnut Posted on 13/01/2009 14:40
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I have no idea on how Niall Quinn and his board made that decision.

But I would doubt very much that they gathered them in for 'respect' meetings.

Performances sway decisions, it didn't take a rocket scientist to realize that Sgrabia was getting better results than Roy Keane.

How long that will last is anyone's guess, but not the worry of MFC.

sasboro1 Posted on 13/01/2009 14:42
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"I admire your belief in the current coaching set-up that they could make the transition into full management and be more successful than Gareth is. At least the club is doing something right!"

who knows, maybe the most senior player will be appointed next manager!

I think gibson sees continuity and someone from the back room staff as the next manager. i think thats why quite a few have got their full coaching badges. promote within

Arthur_Chestnut Posted on 13/01/2009 14:42
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And will Julio's backroom staff all learn Argentinian?

Holgateoldskool Posted on 13/01/2009 14:42
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Come on then Arthur - lets hear your defence for training,tactics and development of our academy players. Why can Wigan and WBA succeed where Boro fail??

Arthur_Chestnut Posted on 13/01/2009 14:43
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sasboro: I agree, better to appoint people who know the club and how the club ticks, without making too much upheaval.

But that is a decision for later rather than sooner.

sasboro1 Posted on 13/01/2009 14:44
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"I have no idea on how Niall Quinn and his board made that decision.

But I would doubt very much that they gathered them in for 'respect' meetings."

so if you have no idea then why are you dismissing the idea that the chairman will speak to people within the club to see who might be a good option. never worked in a job where a company want to promote someone out of 10 people and speak people to see who they would recommend

"But that is a decision for later rather than sooner."

the way things are going it could be sooner than the end of the season

Arthur_Chestnut Posted on 13/01/2009 14:46
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skool: I have no idea in what tactics will work.
How on earth would i know, I have never played at Premier League level.

Why don't you scribble down some formations, and swap names around and then send them in to Gareth?

Arthur_Chestnut Posted on 13/01/2009 14:49
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If the chairman speaks to players, then he would speak to the captain, who would relay the thoughts of the squad.

But its just an opinion, the chairman will have to speak to his directors, and they together will have an influence.

But this scenario of players all speaking to Niall Quinn about the current 'love-in' for Ricky Sgrabia is...utter twaddle!

sasboro1 Posted on 13/01/2009 14:53
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but do you understand that quinn will have found out which memeber of backroom staff is respected by the players? there is no reason why he couldnt have had a meeting with the players once keane had left. or do you think the chairman just picks out someone randomly bit like we did with southgate


Arthur_Chestnut Posted on 13/01/2009 14:57
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Gareth Southgate was not picked randomly!

Respect isn't thrown about willy nilly ya know. It something that stands out, it sets people apart from the others. If a chairman who understands and is aware how is club runs; then he wouldn't have to ask who the players respect - he will know!

Holgateoldskool Posted on 13/01/2009 14:58
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Arthur, you don't need to have played in the Premier league to know we are screwing up badly.

If Steve Gibson is happy seeing us vacate the Prem with the liklihood we won't be back for a considerable time then he isn't the person I thought he was.

And have a word with him - Alan Curbishley will work the oracle and keep us up if we act quickly after defeat on Saturday.....

Arthur_Chestnut Posted on 13/01/2009 15:05
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Whats all this rubbish about Steve Gibson being satisfied with potential relegation?

My stating my relevant Premier League is valid. To play at that level you would encounter a vast amount of knowledge - more than you would playing for The Fox and Hounds on a Sunday morning.

To go into all areas of Premier football, the tactics, the mental side, the physical stuff, the ability to play in front of 25k+ crowds week in week out where your every move is analysed...stop and think for a minute.

I personally wouln't know where to start, and I would bet a good few more wouldnt either!

sasboro1 Posted on 13/01/2009 15:10
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"To go into all areas of Premier football, the tactics, the mental side, the physical stuff, the ability to play in front of 25k+ crowds week in week out where your every move is analysed...stop and think for a minute.

I personally wouln't know where to start, and I would bet a good few more wouldnt either!"

maybe southgate is thinking the same. good players dont always make good managers. maybe southgate is out of his depth at the moment.

Holgateoldskool Posted on 13/01/2009 15:11
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Getting outside your comfort zone? For a start it doesn't follow that top players make successful managers. There are many names I could cite - Bobby Charlton, Bobby Moore being amongst them.

David Moyes,Fergusson, Wenger, Benitez were not top players abut are very good managers.

To have Gareth in charge when the club became more prudent was a mistake- that is where I do have some sympathy.A job of the magnitude we have needed a man with experience - we didn't get it.

Steve Gibson made a big erroe IMO - and one we are now reaping.You may fend off others easily but I'm a different kettle of fish! I'll ask questions - ones you feel you can't answer.


Arthur_Chestnut Posted on 13/01/2009 15:16
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I would very much doubt Gareth is thinking of that, he'll be thinking and planning on how to get the team up the table and start winning games again. Good players dont make good managers is a tireless cliche, the same as saying bad players dont make bad managers when indeed they do.

As it stands, he is the right man for the job, he helped in the decisions in bringing these players into the club, and its his time to stand up and be counted, along with the playing staff.

No transfers in and out, and no new manager.

And as for Alan Curbishley, respected as he should be, would not be the right choice as the next manager of MFC.

Holgateoldskool Posted on 13/01/2009 15:43
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As it stands he is the right man for the job - really?He's doing a damn fine job of not showing us that.So MFC are happy going backwards are they? MFC are happy with the buying policy that has seen quality and experience been replaced by inferior players are they?

And to say Alan Curbishley is not the man for the job when his credentials and achievements at Charlton - a club that mirrors Boro- shows that the powers that be are sadly lacking at knowing what the requirement is to get out of this predicament.Just to remind you he kept them in the Prem comfortably for years - something we need I would suggest.

But hey fans don't know better than a club employee do they ? Yeah, right!


onthemap Posted on 13/01/2009 15:46
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Arthur

You aren't taking any notice of the table are you?

Holgateoldskool Posted on 13/01/2009 15:50
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Mappy, I'm convinced he's from the club!!

Arthur, I'll share sometning with you (about G Fordy) if you unmask yourself.....

Holgateoldskool Posted on 13/01/2009 15:55
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Chestnuts roasted on an open fire........

Arthur_Chestnut Posted on 13/01/2009 16:12
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Well, if you go by the current league standings, we are one of 13 clubs with the possibility of relegation.

I have no interest in Mr Fordy.

Couple of wins and reactions, attitudes and self belief all change.
Too many people quick to react in a negative way.

onthemap Posted on 13/01/2009 16:17
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I see where you're coming from Arthur.

The way we are playing the likelihood is that we'll string the wins together, unlike the teams around us?

That's the likely turn of events isn't it? we'll hammer teams like Sunderland, Hull................

Arthur_Chestnut Posted on 13/01/2009 16:19
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Charlton do not mirror MFC. The history of MFC, the setup, a whole lot different from what happens at the Valley.

Have Charlton had a chairman who has steered the club from the tragedy of liquidation to UEFA cup finalists.

Fans have short memories, and fail to realise just how far we have come. The current situation is just a tiny blot compared to all the other factors the club has faced.

An old quote from our chairman;

'The new manager will have to fit into the culture of this football club, our integrity," he said. "The academy will not be touched. We want progress on Middlesbrough Football Club's terms. We want our philosophy and our methods to be followed."


sasboro1 Posted on 13/01/2009 16:20
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ofcourse non of the teams around us will pick up points for the rest of the season.


Holgateoldskool Posted on 13/01/2009 16:22
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Last 9 games 4 points,currently the worst performing form Prem club, amongst the lowest scorers in the division - are you seriously saying that is not enough of a season ( nearly a quarter numerically) to be concerned about?

Others have improved - we haven't.

Frankly you are like some on here -in cloud cuckoo land.Drastic action needs taking now.The trend doesn't lie.Although it appears that the club are unwilling/unable to halt our slide into the Championship.

I bet Bulkhaul arn't run in a similar fashion!!!!!!!!!!

Arthur_Chestnut Posted on 13/01/2009 16:24
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I don't care about the other clubs around us, and i'm sure GS feels the same way. We have to concentrate on what we can control, and we have no control upon the other teams around us. What they implement is their concern, what we do is ours.

I'll back my statements and I'll put my neck on the line and say we will not be relegated, and we will finish comfortably ahead of the relegation pack.

Arthur_Chestnut Posted on 13/01/2009 16:27
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Bulkhaul became a success with having a guy in charge who had the vision, common sense and unwavering determination to follow it thru'.

That belief applies to all things in life, and running MFC is no different.


Holgateoldskool Posted on 13/01/2009 16:31
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Words come easy, Arthur.To say we'll steer clear of trouble is based on one thing only at present - hope.The manager and players at present do not convey confidence because of team selection, tactics,motivation and match performances. It says it all that our star player against Sunderland is the guy who wants to leave the most!

We're in big trouble.And to have the conceited attitude for the manager to fit in with our culture is the single biggest reason we're heading out of the Prem.

As a custodian of the club are you listening Steve Gibson????!!!

Arthur_Chestnut Posted on 13/01/2009 16:38
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The chances of losing are equal, as they are for being successful.

As for GS fitting into the culture of MFC; if by keeping the old warm one can provide understanding of the new, one is fit to be a teacher.


Holgateoldskool Posted on 13/01/2009 16:44
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So it appears we can kiss goodbye to having a talented experienced manager whilst under the present ownership, right? Major,major flaw - and one that will haunt us.

You came on here all guns blazing and your arguement has become more diluted as the posts have built up. I'm not surprised.Sending you into the lions den without protection you were there to be mauled - such is the case.

Arthur_Chestnut Posted on 13/01/2009 16:51
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He who wins battles loses wars so they say, I never came on here to argue, only to educate you more with the facts and philosophy of how the club is ran.

To gain success and aim high, you have to take a long run.


guyb Posted on 13/01/2009 17:02
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Arthur's doing a fine job of fighting his corner but the one point I would pick him up on is this

"i wholeheartedly agree with Keith Lambs assesment of the playing staff. This is the best squad we ever have had at MFC, some of countries finest young talent in one place."

You cannot honestly believe that this squad is better than the team that came 7th in the PL, the UEFA Cup Final Squad, or even the team that played Reading in GS's first match in charge?

I hate to say it but all three of those squads were better and stronger in every single department than the unit we have today.

I also think the crowd have been very loyal considering there isn't a concerted "GS OUT" campaign going on, and they can see with their own eyes the result of the squad being ran down for financial and expedient purposes - even more loyal IMO considering we've got an expensive and unnecessary side project on the go at Hurworth.

sasboro1 Posted on 13/01/2009 17:04
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"The chances of losing are equal, as they are for being successful."

that depends on what weapons,tools and generals you have.

we win about 25% of the time and lose about 50%

Holgateoldskool Posted on 13/01/2009 17:06
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Arthur, we all want success. And the disappointment expressed on here is generally out of love and concern for the club - albeit voiced in differing manners.

But the bottom line is we have gone from a comfortable midtable Prem team to one fighting off relegation - with a lot fearful this time around we won't be successful.

It has often been said the debt of gratitude to Steve Gibson is immeasureable - that is true. But everybody makes mistakes.We have a case in point here with Gareth.

To make a mistake is not a crime to not learn from it and act on it moreso. That is what a lot feel at present with little light appearing at the end of the tunnel.

DSo you expect us to understand the clubs perspective-fine. What about the other way round?

Presumably you were asked to come on here to dampen down the increased postings over Gareth and the direction the club are taking. As I've said a lot of fans would much prefer actions to words.

Monkey_Spunk_Moped Posted on 13/01/2009 17:48
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The team has gone back over since the high of the UEFA Cup Final barely 3 seasons ago. Whilst it was always going to be difficult to sustain such success, given that the squad was aging, the decline has been quite frightening.

Southgate's signings have, by and large, been fairly lacking and fans have been scratching their heads at why some players have been allowed to leave. The squad is at its thinnest now for a number of years and was threadbare to begin with.

We still lack a genuine right sided midfielder (and have done for how many years?), and are woefully short in other areas. We continue to be completely inept at taking throw ins and defending corners and free kicks.

What Southgate does on the training ground, god only knows, but it certainly isn't this much vaunted attacking football that we've been promised since he arrived, the evidence of which is sadly lacking (unless long balls to our £13m striker who can't head the ball count).

On the positive side, we have no worse a team than the likes of Wigan and Hull who seem to have managers that can extract 100% from their players and get them playing as a cohesive unit - something our manager seems unable to do.

A decent manager will see us climb the table, I'm past caring who that manager is, I'm so desperate for change because without it we're doomed.

plazmuh Posted on 13/01/2009 17:57
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Can anyone please tell me when one of our players have
given £40.000s worth of effort in any game this season
Vastly overpayed the lot of them.
Gibson should ask for his money back as should the
supporters, Yous are being ripped off big style

Arthur_Chestnut Posted on 13/01/2009 19:18
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I can sympathise with all your misgivings regarding Southgate. But nobody could be trying harder than he is at the moment to rectify the situation. Its at times like this we need togetherness and then lets look at the situation at the end of the season. Its not time for spur-of-the-moment decisions. Gibson is doing the right thing.

Bren_MFC Posted on 13/01/2009 19:24
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unfortunately you don't gets points on the league table for your manager merely trying, if he hasn't got the ability he can try all he wants to little effect

heaton_mersey_boro Posted on 13/01/2009 19:31
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Nobody may be trying harder than Southgate, but what does that mean?

If he's out of his depth and does'nt really know how to turn things around, then it does'nt matter jot how hard he tries.

Arthur_Chestnut Posted on 13/01/2009 19:32
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Steve Gibson seems to think he has the ability, and therefore we should trust his judgement.
It may be the case that Gareth and the Chairman will sit down at the end of the season, who knows!

Holgateoldskool Posted on 13/01/2009 19:34
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Frankly,arthur a lot of folk are beyond giving more time to what in some eyes is becoming a lame duck manager.

You say you want him to have more time - why? There is barely a single tangible thing that can be cited as a positive for extending what will become an embarrasssing situation.

As said action needed now while there is still a glimmer of hope.

BoroFur Posted on 13/01/2009 19:41
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I've read this thread from start to finish and can only assume that Arthur_Chestnut is an employee of MFC.

But who ?

12_Afonso Posted on 13/01/2009 19:41
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Holgate I agree with the majority of what you're saying. Whilst we've had periods of desperation before, I cant remember feeling such dismay at where the club is heading. Theres too many fans that now feel that if Southgate stays we're on our way down, and that says everything about the state we're in.

Whilst I agree with the majority. I disagree with you regarding WBA and Wigan being better at developing players. IMO, Cattermole is exactly the same player we had; still makes stupid, rash challenges, giving away too many fouls and getting too many bookings; still misplaces passes. Its just hes getting more coverage at Wigan imo. He was given numerous opportunities with us and never showed his 'potential'. All that said, Id much rather have him over Shawky, which again would point to the manager.

Southgate must go, to prevent undoing all the work done over the past 10 or so years.

Arthur_Chestnut Posted on 13/01/2009 20:44
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When I come on here and tell it how it is, you suspect I am an employee of MFC, which I am not. I'm just someone who understands the game, the business of football and all the politics that goes along with it.
Sometimes I believe Boro fans should think long and hard about stuff they write and shout about. Clearly we are all passionate about the club, but it can boil over into mindless rhetoric.

Bukowski Posted on 14/01/2009 05:35
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Definitely somebody high up at MFC. Keith Lamb is my guess.

Towelie Posted on 14/01/2009 05:53
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"This is the best squad we ever have had at MFC, some of countries finest young talent in one place."

Holy S*** are you high?! Best squad we've ever had? Finest young talent in the country?? You can not be a real person.

OPEO Posted on 14/01/2009 06:12
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Authur, congratulations are in order for catching the majority whinge shareholders in one thread. I, for one would rather listen to Gibson than their collective whinge.

Bukowski Posted on 14/01/2009 07:10
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Arthur_Chestnut's comments are blatantly just MFC spin.

Yes Arthur, it is actually that transparent.

Anybody who can't see this is a gullible fool.

gerd_muller Posted on 14/01/2009 09:06
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I know who it is!

Must be Alistair Campbell in a covert role employed by Lamb

Holgateoldskool - agree 100% with everything you've said so far

we've known this since the day GS was appointed along with 'cutting the cloth', and its all coming to fruition

bear66 Posted on 14/01/2009 10:24
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"unfortunately you don't gets points on the league table for your manager merely trying, if he hasn't got the ability he can try all he wants to little effect"

I've never seen a manager score or save a goal . . . it's down to the players

Arthur_Chestnut Posted on 14/01/2009 10:56
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If the Chairman followed most of your advice, we're doomed!

Do you really believe that decisions to change management personnel would propel the team further up the league? Do you think Steve Gibson will be sitting down thinking 'If i move Colin up to manager, and then put Frank Nuttall as assistant, then the tea lady down as reserve coach'...do you really truly believe relieving Gareth of his duties would make a positive difference and get a losing team winning again?

It takes alot more than just changing a person around to get a team winning again, ask Joe Kinnear!

I repeat the word 'continuity', that word is synonymous with the club, respected by many.

Think about it for a little while.

sasboro1 Posted on 14/01/2009 11:04
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"It takes alot more than just changing a person around to get a team winning again, ask Joe Kinnear!"

Newcastle have improved since kinnear took over, so have spurs and sunderland since they changed managers.

Arthur_Chestnut Posted on 14/01/2009 11:12
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Have they really, i hear the same complaints from Spurs fans, and i'm hearing disconcerted voices regarding Joe Kinnear quite alot these days.

Distant fields always look greener, but opportunity lies right where you are.

sasboro1 Posted on 14/01/2009 11:15
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have a look at their form under ramos this season before harry took over.

Same for kinear. they were both in a right mess. things have improved although not enough to reach the top 6

flyermetothemoon Posted on 14/01/2009 11:29
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Arthur.

A couple of simple questions that need answering.

Why after 3 years have we not brought a decent right midfielder?

Why after 3 years have we not brought a decent cental midfielder, someone with a bit of pace and yes can actually score a goal.

Why can we not defend at corners?

Why the fook does he still play Arca?

Why do we have the slowest unfittest team in the league.(Goals conceded in the last 10 minutes)

Why do we sit back and try to defend a one goal lead. (How many times have we scored more than 2 goals in a game)

All basic flaws which dare i say most supporters think are blindingly obvious.

SOUTHGATE & his backroom staff out.

Lets get some fresh ideas in as the current ones are not working. (See position in the table)


gerd_muller Posted on 14/01/2009 11:30
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sas - notwithstanding those teams, I bet Blackburn fans feel more comfortable under allardyce and they'll claw their way out of it

Arthur - fcuck continuity, thats one of the reasons we're in a mess and they all left anyway - round barron beswick harrison etc + all the players bar stewie

sasboro1 Posted on 14/01/2009 11:33
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gerd_muller - i think big sam would have been ideal for us at this time. However dont think he is gibsons sort of manager and all that matters is a manager that comes across nice in the media.

skiprat Posted on 14/01/2009 11:46
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Surely Spurs are just as bad now as they were when Ramos was there, league position-wise at least?

sasboro1 Posted on 14/01/2009 11:52
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tottenham were on 2 points from 8 games when ramos was sacked. now they are on 20 points from 21 games.

thats 18 points from 13 games.. i would say that is a big improvement

Arthur_Chestnut Posted on 14/01/2009 12:21
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Is this the same Arca that was playing well above his comfort zone when he joined. Also, remember, Arca has come back from a very nasty injury. As for right midfield, we have many options down both sides, Downing, Johnson, Arca, O'Neil, Tuncay, Emnes. All of which can play on either flank. As for a deep running midfielder, difficult to come by and not a requirement for the modern game. Great if you have one, but the modern game is very difficult for deep probing wingers to make any impact. Marvin Emnes has the potential to be an outstanding player for MFC, and so far has only shown in small parts what he is capable of. We have also purchased a smashing player in Didier Digard, a guy who has walked directly into the first team and put in some fanstastic shifts.
Like I mentioned earlier, time for players to stand up and be counted.

skiprat Posted on 14/01/2009 12:30
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You seem to have missed off the part where I said league position wise Sas.

Doesn't matter how many points you get if you're still in the same league position.

They've not been out of the bottom three all season have they?

Arthur_Chestnut Posted on 14/01/2009 12:36
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Also, what is put in place at Tottenham and the like is no concern to us. We alone raise the bar. By three methods we may learn wisdom; first, by reflection; second by imitation, which is easiest and third, by experience, which is the most bitter.

Holgateoldskool Posted on 14/01/2009 12:52
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Arthur, Ill give you one thing, you must be the only person that thinks you've got a grasp on footballing matters.

There are many, many instances. And your last post? WTF??

Football is about having a team,squad who can gel and play as a team.From the managers perspective its about training them to their fitness optimum,coaching them, devising tactics, having the respect of the squad, been able to make tactical substitutions to win games or retain leads and help us progress as ateam and club through better performances and improved league standing.

Now whatever Gareth is good at the above he clearly is not. So if Gibbo rates him as a manager I would welcome the reasons why.

To talk about continuity - that is the last thing we need.

Holgateoldskool Posted on 14/01/2009 13:34
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Arthur, ARTHUR! care to respond ? Or has dave Allan run out of script sheets for you ??????!!!!!!

sasboro1 Posted on 14/01/2009 13:38
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"Also, what is put in place at Tottenham and the like is no concern to us. We alone raise the bar. By three methods we may learn wisdom; first, by reflection; second by imitation, which is easiest and third, by experience, which is the most bitter."

what a load of rubbish. how have we raised the bar when we are near the bottom?

"You seem to have missed off the part where I said league position wise Sas."

yes they have gone up 1 place. but surely that they have gone from being 8 points behind us to 1 point. just shows how they have improved. boro have dropped from 12th. so surely it is time to change manager if you are going jsut on league position?
spurs have been out of the bottom 3. thing is they and newcastle have recovered and so it us us getting sucked in now

glover_elbow Posted on 14/01/2009 14:25
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If this Arthur Chestnut is a club spokesperson then no wonder the fans are so disenfranchised. The arrogance and sheer superiority spouted by him infuriates. The club knows best and fans not backing the clubs visionary appointment are wrong. Smacks of pure lamb (Keith). Whilst we are all grateful to Steve Gibson donít forget the club would also be nothing without the fans and fans WILL ultimately have the final say.

Arthur_Chestnut Posted on 14/01/2009 14:46
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Sometimes it easier for some to react too quickly without giving careful consideration to the bigger picture. The Chairman is the custodian of the towns club, but if decisions were made by the majority, then MFC would be without direction. I apologise If I infuriate, but I write the sensible option; and, it appears too many are looking for the back page breaking news article that just ain't gonna happen.

sasboro1 Posted on 14/01/2009 14:53
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"The Chairman is the custodian of the towns club, but if decisions were made by the majority, then MFC would be without direction."

bit like now i suppose.

anyway southgate has until the end of january to save his job. otherwise we will be bottom and fans will turn on southgate. gibson can be too stubborn sometimes and it can result in getting things wrong at boro.

Towelie Posted on 14/01/2009 14:54
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"As for right midfield, we have many options down both sides, Downing, Johnson, Arca, O'Neil, Tuncay, Emnes. All of which can play on either flank."

Just because you tell somebody to play out of position doesn't mean they can do it.

The squad that you consider to be our "best ever" is anemic with a midfield that has offered virtually no threat all season. By not bring players in they are putting the club in serious trouble.

glover_elbow Posted on 14/01/2009 15:05
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Two and half years down the line and itís more obvious than ever the club made the wrong managerial appointment. The fans have been patient and generous to southgate beyond reason, so whats this bigger picture you talk about. I donít believe backing southgate is the sensible option you talk about. We need leadership by the club to take the brave and right decision admit your mistake and cut your losses before the loss is catastrophic i.e. relegation.
whilst southgate is manager, regardless of our position at the end of season i will not be renewing my season ticket which i have had since the last season at ayresome park. Stick that in your pipe.

Arthur_Chestnut Posted on 14/01/2009 15:25
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Leadership by the club to take the brave and right decision is indeed the correct way forward. The brave decision has been made, and Gareth Southgate is the manager of MFC, how the club supports and helps Gareth will be the decisions to be made.

sasboro1 Posted on 14/01/2009 15:27
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"how the club supports and helps Gareth will be the decisions to be made."

why does everyone have to keep helping southgate? Is he still on that steep learning curve?

Arthur_Chestnut Posted on 14/01/2009 15:30
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Gareth has a wealth of experience and all levels of pro football, I am talking particularly about supporting the manager in whatever he needs, the club will place whatever he needs in front of him.

sasboro1 Posted on 14/01/2009 15:32
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"I am talking particularly about supporting the manager in whatever he needs, the club will place whatever he needs in front of him."

he needs money for new players, but obviously gibson doesnt want to sell anyone so no money to spend.



glover_elbow Posted on 14/01/2009 15:33
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place a managerial noose or sorry he is doing that himself

Holgateoldskool Posted on 14/01/2009 15:36
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So Gareth needs £10 mill for team strengthening - does he get it?If you are from the club rather than get people onside you are widening the rift.

To paraphrase - Steve Gibson thinks Gareths the man - end of. He doesn't seek or need advice on this. support the club - don't ask questions.

Well done Arthur if you are from the club and stating club policy then it stinks the place out.And frankly whatever happens to us as a club we know who to blame.

Arthur_Chestnut Posted on 14/01/2009 15:44
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Have you asked Mr Gibson? Do you know the inside of the Chairman's mind?

I have already written many threads back that I am not an employee of MFC.

But I do find it poignant, that when anyone writes something remotely sensible, they are either the brother of Keith Lamb or the love child of Steve Gibson!!

glover_elbow Posted on 14/01/2009 15:47
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Exactly holgate f..k what we think, it doesnt matter the club knows best. Interesting how they spin this season on our season ticket letters and keith lambs annual tout in the gazette.

Arthur_Chestnut Posted on 14/01/2009 15:53
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But that's exactly what I am saying, the club does know best. Together they have guided the club through some seriously rough times, this current blip is nowhere near previous situations and people wanting their pound of flesh should really look back at those dark days of crippling debt, a sub standard stadium, and a reputation that was difficult to shake off. We are now a club that is envied worldwide, and it's difficult to understand how you cannot see that.
I guess some people are just never satisfied.

sasboro1 Posted on 14/01/2009 15:57
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"Have you asked Mr Gibson? Do you know the inside of the Chairman's mind?

I have already written many threads back that I am not an employee of MFC."

So you know the inside of gibsons mind as much as any of us.

funny how you dismiss our thoughts but yours seem on the ball when you are in the same position as us

Arthur_Chestnut Posted on 14/01/2009 16:04
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I have no idea what Steve Gibson is planning, which is even more reason to let the frustration go. You never know what is around the corner. Ya know people, sometimes reflection and a sense of calm are the order of the day.
Who knows what will happen, but one thing is for certain, I would'nt have anyone else making the decisions apart from Steve Gibson. I trust him, and I am certain we will not be relegated.
By getting behind Gareth, you are sending a great signal out to our chairman...God knows, he deserves it!

Holgateoldskool Posted on 14/01/2009 16:05
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The club is demonstrating and proving it doesn't know best. Assemble a young,inexperienced squad - what does that need? An experienced manager.

The managers criteria seems to be to try and sign players with pace - bit like Emnes perhaps? And quess what? He isn't up to it -yet. But our need is now.

There are many,many decisions that the fanbase find baffling bewildering and without logic.

You have proved that if the mindset at the Riverside is the same as yours we are already doomed as I have said previously the only answer you have to our issues is hope.

What a bleeding shambles...........

sasboro1 Posted on 14/01/2009 16:09
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"I trust him, and I am certain we will not be relegated."

and yes we have never been relegated before with gibson as chairman

"You never know what is around the corner."

Relegation and more of your best players leaving?

Arthur_Chestnut Posted on 14/01/2009 16:09
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I quote you: 'Assemble a young,inexperienced squad - what does that need? An experienced manager'

Utter rubbish, did Brian Clough need experience when he triumphed with his players, did Alex Ferguson need experience when in charge of his youngsters.

And all experienced players have to learn their trade somewhere, or do you suggest we buy a team full of experienced 30 year olds, oh no...hang on you claimed you didn't want that either!

When McClaren took over, the general concensus was that the average age of the playing staff needed reducing drastically. We have done that.

What else next?????

glover_elbow Posted on 14/01/2009 16:12
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what hogwash how can you be certain we wont get relegated, theres a every chance we will. Even man city with kaka are not certain to stay up. So with our current form , lack of squad depth and no money to buy you cant qualify that statement. come out of the closet ali borwnlee

Arthur_Chestnut Posted on 14/01/2009 16:12
Gibson is right to lay the law down

We were previously relegated due to the alleged mishandling of a postponement, something that was not in our hands to control, the FA decided the outcome, whether fair or unfair, the club fought it's corner but sadly lost the legal battle.

Come on guys, you know all of this, we've been here before.

sasboro1 Posted on 14/01/2009 16:14
Gibson is right to lay the law down

"did Alex Ferguson need experience when in charge of his youngsters."

didnt he have players like bryan robson,schmichel,steve bruce in the team?

Arthur_Chestnut Posted on 14/01/2009 16:14
Gibson is right to lay the law down

You are right, we may be relegated, along with other teams who are perilously close to the relegation positions. That's called competition, but we have a very good chance of not being relegated. Think positive, look at our strengths, there are many.
Young players with a point to prove is one big plus.
Anything is possible, just as much as relegation is a possibility, but I seriously dont think we will be relegated.

Have faith!

sasboro1 Posted on 14/01/2009 16:15
Gibson is right to lay the law down

"Think positive, look at our strengths, there are many."

try listing them then

Arthur_Chestnut Posted on 14/01/2009 16:16
Gibson is right to lay the law down

We have a huge wave of optimistic fans...there is one of them!

glover_elbow Posted on 14/01/2009 16:19
Gibson is right to lay the law down

forget youth give me an experienced side with stomach for the fight.

glover_elbow Posted on 14/01/2009 16:21
Gibson is right to lay the law down

an experienced manager with a wealth of experience oh sh..t we dont have that either. come on arthur any more strengths

Arthur_Chestnut Posted on 14/01/2009 16:21
Gibson is right to lay the law down

Really. Your starter for one point

Can you name the team who was relegated with an average age of 30?

Holgateoldskool Posted on 14/01/2009 16:22
Gibson is right to lay the law down

The guy has lost it completely.He knows nothing about Clough if he thinks he won titles with young inexperienced players.And Fergusson won with kids did he? Pond life!

He hasn't one positive to offer. Its hope that all will be alright.

And our strengths - exactly what???

We change manager we've a chance. We don't - we're doomed. Thats it in a nutshell Arthur.

Run to Lamby with this!!!!!!

Arthur_Chestnut Posted on 14/01/2009 16:24
Gibson is right to lay the law down

I know nothing of Brian Clough hey.

I know all of the playing staff of Notts Forest under Clough, I remember his tactics, i remember him taking over from Allan Brown. I vividly remember a young Derby team centred around 1 ageing Dave Mackay who was moved from attack to centre half. A very young John McGovern at HArtlepool, and an even younger Archie Gemmil at Derby.

But what that has to do with MFC is beyond me.

Answer that question above anyway?

guisboro Posted on 14/01/2009 16:37
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I doff my cap to Arthur, some very sensible points of view, well reasoned and insightful.

And your persistence in responding to those who have a different opinion to yourself deserves a medal.

Nice to see someone with a bit of perspective.

Keep the faith

glover_elbow Posted on 14/01/2009 16:39
Gibson is right to lay the law down

still waiting for these strengths, dont forget pacey non scoring forward aliiamdire

Arthur_Chestnut Posted on 14/01/2009 16:43
Gibson is right to lay the law down

The team has pace throughout.

Youth and inexperience can work in our favour.

International experience.

But you know all of this already.


Schenkers_V Posted on 14/01/2009 16:43
Gibson is right to lay the law down

I agree to a point guis, but there's a bit too much of lets keep our fingers crossed to his ramblings (lots of words no meaning) when the fact of the matter is we are in the sh!t and everything points to us staying in it

glover_elbow Posted on 14/01/2009 16:48
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how can inexperience work in our favour just how, on sat our first choice centre midfield pairing walker and digard good as they are cant have 25 prem appearcences between them. If we are looking to an 18 kid to save the club we are in big trouble. We shouldnt have sold cattermole, boateng southgate has dropped a bollock

guisboro Posted on 14/01/2009 16:59
Gibson is right to lay the law down

Schenkers, our position isnt brilliant and we are enduring our annual run of bad form right now, pessism is understandable.

However, one win and results going our way and we are 11th.

Newcastle, Bolton, Sunderland Portsmouth have 2 more points than us.
Man City have one more point than us.
Stoke have the same points as us.
Tottenham have one less
Blackburn and West Brom have 3 less than us.

My point is we are in a group of 9 teams all in the same position, only 3 will go and I expect Pompey and Hull to sink like a stone over the next 2 months.

If we get to the middle of March and we are in the same league position but getting cut adrift points wise then would be the time to get really worked up.

Arthur_Chestnut Posted on 14/01/2009 20:22
Gibson is right to lay the law down

Guisboro is absolutely correct. A few wins and the darkness lifts. Its too early to hit the panic button.

BoroFur Posted on 14/01/2009 20:38
Gibson is right to lay the law down

Arthur_Chestnut Posted on 14/01/2009 20:22
Gibson is right to lay the law down
Guisboro is absolutely correct. A few wins and the darkness lifts. Its too early to hit the panic button.

I'd agree if only we were showing ANY kind of form but no wins in 9 tells its own story.

We are a team completely devoid of any confidence and with a management team that lacks the gumption to even begin how to address the issues in question.

If our current form continues the only logical conclusion is that we will be relegated- that is an indisputable fact.

Our run in during April and May is horrendous and to suggest that we shouldn't be hitting the panic button until mid-March is ludicrous.

Arthur_Chestnut Posted on 14/01/2009 20:53
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Not sure I agree with the confidence bit, but I certainly think the team has been short on luck a few times, which plays a big part in any clubs' season. To predict runs is not worthwhile, all teams are hard to play against in the top flight, a game against Stoke is just as difficult as playing Chelsea. Infact, the Championship has caught up in the level of football played, and a game against Wolves in the cup is no easy picking.

sasboro1 Posted on 14/01/2009 21:07
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>The team has pace throughout.

where, i havent seen it and teams look faster than us. who has pace in our team?

>Youth and inexperience can work in our favour.

"can" - doesnt seem to be working this season. southgate uses it as an excuse now

>International experience.

most premier league teams have players with international experience

Arthur_Chestnut Posted on 14/01/2009 21:19
Gibson is right to lay the law down

Ive just pointed out a few of the reason why we should be happy?
What do you want a team full of 30 year olds with loads of experience...they will save us from relegation surely!!

Answer the question above, then think about it!

gerd_muller Posted on 15/01/2009 04:04
Gibson is right to lay the law down

Arthur Chestnut - you find it "poignant" when someone writes something sensible do you? Your self indulgence and arrogance displayed is incredulous - you are definitely MFC employee material if you aren't already in some capacity

and the fact that you brought up the liquidation and crumbling stadium era 'so we should be grateful' twaddle is an insult to peoples intelligence

Holgateoldskool Posted on 15/01/2009 07:42
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Arthur appears to be exactly the fan Gibbo and MFC crave for. Head down, blinkers on, refuse to question policy, accept in their mind change won't alter anything, convince themselves we'll be safe without one valid reason. Added to that Gibbo can do no wrong whatsoever decision he makes "in him we trust"

Fools.

George1507 Posted on 15/01/2009 08:43
Gibson is right to lay the law down

We can't influence Steve Gibson really.

The vast majority of Boro fans realise he is doing all he can anyway. We can't compete with many of the other Prem league teams financially, so it's about making the best of what young players we have. If anyone thinks they could do a better job than Steve Gibson, then I'm sure he would sell (at least) part of the club if you can help out financially.

gerd_muller Posted on 15/01/2009 09:20
Gibson is right to lay the law down

I'm beginning to think old Arthur is a wind up merchant now, if he's not on MFC's payroll then I cant think of any other reasons

Arthur_Chestnut Posted on 15/01/2009 09:54
Gibson is right to lay the law down

Arthur appears to be exactly the fan Gibbo and MFC crave for. Head down, blinkers on, refuse to question policy??????


Really! Look guys, there is nothing to question, and my head is held high. The club will progress as it has done for the last 23 years. I find it ironic that you use the word 'blinkers'.