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slipshod Posted on 11/01/2009 12:06
Is the term Paki, actually offensive

In the light of the Prince Harry "scandal" is this term actually any worse than say calling a scotsman a 'scot'. What are peoples views on this?

smogmeister Posted on 11/01/2009 12:08
Is the term Paki, actually offensive

the next thing you know we will not be able to call Irish men paddies political correctness gone too far.

norfolkred1 Posted on 11/01/2009 12:08
Is the term Paki, actually offensive

Got me thinking the exact same thing this morning. Having spent a bit of time away from the golden shores over the years I have never felt been asked 'are you a Brit' to be offencive in the least

Gibbos-finger Posted on 11/01/2009 12:09
Is the term Paki, actually offensive

or as i have always said brits people call us brits or poms we dont say thats racist

Vosene Posted on 11/01/2009 12:10
Is the term Paki, actually offensive

My dad had a good friend called paki, he was a paki, everyone called him it.In the same way you would call an irish mate paddy.
Depends if it's meant derogatory or not.
Loosely i don't think e.g, 'nipping to the paki shop love'
but said with a profanity before or after i would say yes it is wrong

sasboro1 Posted on 11/01/2009 12:10
Is the term Paki, actually offensive

Using the word P@ki still seems acceptable on teesside. heard it used with taxi and shop. or "down the road"

Big_Jacks_Sweater Posted on 11/01/2009 12:11
Is the term Paki, actually offensive

Never understood wht this is viewed as offensive. I remember hearing Australian (who abreviate every word they use) cricket commentators referring to Pakistan cricket team as Pakis. What is wrong with it ?

British = Brits
Scottish = Scotts
Australians - Ausies
Pakistanis - Pakis

No one else gets offended !

number9point5 Posted on 11/01/2009 12:12
Is the term Paki, actually offensive

Depends if you use it as term of endearment or derision i suppose. Is saying “What a nice paki lass that was” worse than “What thick paki she is”?

Who knows depends on the individual I suppose.

I used to be called a “Limey” in the SADF is that just as bad as being called a “pomey”? Seems like a whole can of worms best left alone but the PC brigade need to be employed somehow I suppose.

Tuncays_3rd_leg Posted on 11/01/2009 12:12
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theres nout wrong with it, never hear a 'paki' getting arrested for calling us a 'brit'

sixtyniner69 Posted on 11/01/2009 12:12
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been called a BRIT BASTAURD many times FOOKING BRIT by yanks and yes i am a brit

TheSmogMonster Posted on 11/01/2009 12:12
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It is used as a derogatory term though, that's the difference.

Its also not just held back for just Pakistani's either is it?



scooby Posted on 11/01/2009 12:13
Is the term Paki, actually offensive

I would call someone a brit if I didn't know them at all and it wouldn't be offensive but I wouldn't call someone a paki if I didn't know them (I also wouldn't if I did).

I don't think Brits have really been targets of racist bigotry in the past and whether you accept it or not, the term paki has been taken over by racists and as much as you protest it, you can't deny its offensive nature.

ayresomemark Posted on 11/01/2009 12:14
Is the term Paki, actually offensive

had an argument with the wife about this last night.She thinks its racist and offensive.

its like calling an indian an indian. Surely paki is the shortening of the word pakistani. Cant see the problem, its just because in this culture its seen derogatory because of right wing lunatics bander the phrase about and its associated with racist violence - certainly portraid that way in the media.

and i didnt get my legover coz of the argument

LemmyKilmister Posted on 11/01/2009 12:16
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Whilst trying to chat up a really fit girl yonks ago on holiday (Amira from Guildford), I thought I was being PC and diplomatic by referring to her race as 'Asian' etc, until exasperated she said 'FFS I'm a Paki!, so why don't you use it?'

Still shagged her mind!

Gibbos-finger Posted on 11/01/2009 12:16
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i know a lot of asian people the younger call them selves pakis and some older ones its like when the council says you carnt put them xmas decorations up it might offend or get that George cross flag down its offensive

BigCasino Posted on 11/01/2009 12:20
Is the term Paki, actually offensive

It was to the Turkish lads working in the pizza shop in Guisborough when my P***ed-up mate called them it. Most dis-chuffed they were.

sixtyniner69 Posted on 11/01/2009 12:20
Is the term Paki, actually offensive

go to a garrison town in another country as a non squaddie and you will be not allowed to buy a drink even if you are in shirt and tie on a training course.

place called sennelager is most unfriendly because you are british.

the term was actually an englander ,

mfc_1 Posted on 11/01/2009 12:22
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They (the paki's) can say whatever they want to say about us.

If we (the English) say anything about them it's racist.


bolton_94 Posted on 11/01/2009 12:25
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"It was to the Turkish lads working in the pizza shop in Guisborough when my P***ed-up mate called them it. Most dis-chuffed they were"
not very bright your mate is he? calling a turkish man a paki!

scooby Posted on 11/01/2009 12:32
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Just go up to a stranger in a 'paki' shop and call them a 'paki'. See what the reaction is.

shamblesdefarm Posted on 11/01/2009 12:43
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Im mates with a few Pakastani lads and they find the word "paki" very offensive i still cant get my head round it myself they say its derogative towards them.They prefer the word asian if they are refering to people they would say "ye he`s an asian lad lives on our road" etc .Ive had this argument loads of times about the word "paki" i think they take it as a skit word im sure it boils down to religion and family respect etc somethin that will allways be bewildering people.

bigrichardthe3rd Posted on 11/01/2009 12:45
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got called a smoggie barstewared yesterday,,,

scooby Posted on 11/01/2009 12:45
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It's because for years it has been used as the word of choice by racists. If that's hard to get your head around then life must be a constant struggle.

Tommy_Trinder Posted on 11/01/2009 12:47
Is the term Paki, actually offensive

As a matter of interest what do Pakistanis's call white English people?

Any Pakistan people on here?

littlejimmy Posted on 11/01/2009 12:52
Is the term Paki, actually offensive

One word: context.

DowningsLeftTit Posted on 11/01/2009 12:55
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"As a matter of interest what do Pakistanis's call white English people?"

Honkies...

bigrichardthe3rd Posted on 11/01/2009 12:57
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paki is short for pakistani surely,like brit is to british,,,no offence like,,,

sixtyniner69 Posted on 11/01/2009 12:59
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do you see something as currently every day as being made a butt of jokes because of your birth colour offensive in total or are you selective about it.

HRH harry was verbally abused over the colour of his hair in the same article NOTW as his comments about an asian.

is one acceptable and the other not.

indeed sould ROB@FMTTM be doing something about ginger hate.

scooby Posted on 11/01/2009 12:59
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WOG is short for western oriental gentleman. I still won't be using it.

foomanboro Posted on 11/01/2009 12:59
Is the term Paki, actually offensive

I'm of indian orign and i've been called a 'Paki' and it was never in a postive or jokey way.

Why there is even a need to use this word is beyond me?

The people who choose to use it, almost always do to offend and seemed to be hiding behind the semantics of the word to try and defend their ignorance and bigotry.


scooby Posted on 11/01/2009 13:02
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sixtyniner69, if there was any historical evidence of people being repressed, murdered, enslaved and/or discriminated against due to their hair colour, that would be a valid point.

sixtyniner69 Posted on 11/01/2009 13:07
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scooby i do not use the word Paki but I also do not use disgusting terms against people wirh red hair or celtic complexion.

yes ther have been many attacks on people because of their hair colour including discrimination and physical / mental abuse.

just thought i would high light the fact

Tom_Fun Posted on 11/01/2009 13:10
Is the term Paki, actually offensive

If none of you on this thread are actually Pakistani, then it's not up to you to decide whether it's offensive or not, is it?

sasboro1 Posted on 11/01/2009 13:12
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if you dont think it is offensive then next time you get in a taxi driven by a pakistani call him that word and see what reaction you get then ask him why he reacted like that

TheSmogMonster Posted on 11/01/2009 13:13
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So racism is equal to hair abuse... yeah you've really got a grasp of this issue.

sixtyniner69 Posted on 11/01/2009 13:26
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racism is about picking on someone not because of who they are but the group they belong to.
and being categorized by that group
I have sat at a table with friends of afro-caribean who call each other by words that I would not dream of using.

and when I was young before I knew any afro-caribeans then I have to admit I was unknowingly racist. The fact there was no-one to offend in hearing distance is not the issue at the time i was ignorant.

scooby Posted on 11/01/2009 13:29
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"yes ther have been many attacks on people because of their hair colour including discrimination and physical / mental abuse."

No there aren't. Show me ONE news item in which someone was attacked due to the colour of their hair. Show me ONE example where someone was murdered due to their hair colour. You're an idiot if you think they are remotely similar.

"If none of you on this thread are actually Pakistani, then it's not up to you to decide whether it's offensive or not, is it?"

Who says we are 'deciding' it? It either is or it isn't. People asked if it is and I say it is. Tell a 'paki' joke at work next time but when you have a shifty little look around to see if there are any asians around, don't pretend it's just an abbreviation for a place.

Tom_Fun Posted on 11/01/2009 13:30
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"Tell a 'paki' joke at work next time "

No thanks.

Rodney_Trotter Posted on 11/01/2009 13:37
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No matter what you do and say nowadays someone seems to take offence.

Maybe everyone should just stop talking!!

scooby Posted on 11/01/2009 13:40
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Rodney, you really shouldn't talk about people being over-sensitive - you are over-reacting about anything and everything most days.

maxi_levy Posted on 11/01/2009 13:40
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I take offence to that silly remark Wodney.

scooby Posted on 11/01/2009 13:41
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No, he's right racism was invented by the pc brigade.

Rodney_Trotter Posted on 11/01/2009 13:42
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I thought his raghead comment was a bit nearer the knuckle like?

Also lets get it right, he was speaking of a lad whose nickname was `little paki`. Who gave him that nickname? Do you know? No.

It has been taken completely out of context. He was in a highly charged atmosphere talking to his peers about attacking and killing people whose intention it is to kill him and his companions. He`s hardly screaming it from the top of Buck Palace to any passers who`ll listen.

Space_Face Posted on 11/01/2009 13:48
Is the term Paki, actually offensive

In simple terms you could argue that using the word Paki, an abbreviation of Pakistan is harmless and acceptable. But surely you can understand that after 50 years of it being used in a derogatory way against asians whether from Pakistan or not - hurled at them in the street - used as they are getting chased and beaten up etc you can see how it is a pretty disgusting word.

oldsmoggie Posted on 11/01/2009 13:49
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Anything that comes out of the mouth of any of those parasitic royals especially the ginger one (mind you hes not really royal is he, half at most)is offensive to me. why on earth do we still pay them to do nothing.

Tom_Fun Posted on 11/01/2009 13:50
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"Also lets get it right, he was speaking of a lad whose nickname was `little paki`. Who gave him that nickname? Do you know? No."

No, but I bet he's a card, and a damn fine chap, what. Probably called Toby.

Rodney_Trotter Posted on 11/01/2009 13:51
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Or possibly Safraz. You know like those tpo rappers calling each other N@$$£r. That`s so cool

Metaxa Posted on 11/01/2009 14:36
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Your right about context...

There was a ********* ran over and killed by a lorry outside of my house this morning.

I thought WoW that could have been me, then i realised i cant drive a lorry


Please change ******** to whichever you find amusing

sambaDTR Posted on 11/01/2009 15:34
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Evidently "In recent times there has been a trend by second and third-generation British Pakistanis to reclaim the word. The word has been turned into a keepsake for the young British Pakistani community that is not acceptable for someone outside the community to say it, including Indians and Bangladeshis".


Link: Paki

W45EEM Posted on 11/01/2009 15:39
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Personally still find the term offensive. Having grown-up with people shouting the word at me from their cars and on the street, I'd say they were far from just abbreviating the term 'Pakistani'. Also, the point brought up earlier as it's used for mainly anyone Asian, not just those with a Pakistani background...would prefer it if the term disappeared altogether!

scooby Posted on 11/01/2009 15:44
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So does those who demanded someone who was an asian come forward and declare it as offensive now agree it is now that two peopl have?

Rodney_Trotter Posted on 11/01/2009 15:46
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I can`t believe it took you 5 minutes to log out and back in as scooby

Tommy_Trinder Posted on 11/01/2009 15:48
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oldsmoggie = Ignorant fool.

scooby Posted on 11/01/2009 15:49
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If you want to believe that Rodney, do so. And to think you accuse others of burying their head in the sand.

Rodney_Trotter Posted on 11/01/2009 15:50
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I find it offensive as an Englishman that people choose to trash an area of the capital city in protest over another countries actions. Will they now stop?

scooby Posted on 11/01/2009 15:51
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What the hell are you on about rodney? Trying to change the subject? Doesn't change the fact you are an apologist for people who think calling people 'paki' is fine.

joshie Posted on 11/01/2009 15:53
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I have been part of a panel of people doing interviews and the reason given by one person as to someones unsuitabiliy was - 'I dont like ginners.'

If this has happened once it has probably happened many times, calling someone because of their hair is discriminatory and therefore as wrong as discriminating against someones skin colour.

I remember a family being ostracised at school due to their hair colour, affecting the rest of those kids lives I would hazard a guess.


scooby Posted on 11/01/2009 15:57
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Well they must have decided to have a panel of idiots, especially if you were on it.

Sorry for not accepting your proposal that someone's hair colour is in any way comparable to people who have suffered at the hands of racist views and behaviour over the centuries. One anecdotal 'story' isn't going to make it true.

Rodney_Trotter Posted on 11/01/2009 15:59
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I`m not an apologist whatsoever. Lets get it right nobody would have been offended if the NOTW didn`t publish the video.

Is he directing it at anyone? No. That`s the difference.


joshie Posted on 11/01/2009 16:01
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Thanks for the comment, scooby speaks highly of you.

Their is also anectdotal evidence people were considered witchs if ginger centuries ago. How long do we go back to consider one worse than another?

Tommy_Trinder Posted on 11/01/2009 16:02
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What about going to the Chinkies?

Is that offensive to some on here?

Space_Face Posted on 11/01/2009 16:02
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I was called ginnock at school. I was never beaten up or have my home/property destroyed. I've never felt isolated or discriminated against either.

HolgateCorner Posted on 11/01/2009 16:04
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I always thought Paki was just short for Pakistani with no racist connurtations until the missus put me right one day,

She reckons it is used in a derogatory manner, still not sure myself.

tranny_terry Posted on 11/01/2009 16:05
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You have to laugh at the ignorance of some on here, the stuffy white working-class Northerners who think they can decide what is offensive and not.

Trying to compare Paki as an abreviation of Pakistani to Brit being an abreviation of British sums up the clueless half-wits on here. Next you'll be telling us that N***** isn't offensive because it's a descedant of the Latin word for black.

Perhaps you should look into the history of the word and the racist context it was used in as an attack on those from the Indian sub-continent.

Just because groups of people make an effort to reclaim derogatory words for their own use and try to downplay the offense it doesn't make it any less offensive.

Rodney_Trotter Posted on 11/01/2009 16:05
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What about these then?


Link: Ginnock?

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 11/01/2009 16:07
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I really hope that the ones who dont think that 'paki' is offensive are actually on the wind up.

If they are serious then I'm pretty much lost for words.

Rodney_Trotter Posted on 11/01/2009 16:08
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So by that logic terry young asians who call other young pakistanis `pakis` are racists in your book

rokkers Posted on 11/01/2009 16:08
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Seconded Scooby. It would be very worrying indeed if someone like Joshie on a panel doing interviews - you're not really up on your equal opportunities mate are you? (yes I remember your comments on people with mental health problems)

Tommy_Trinder Posted on 11/01/2009 16:10
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Ah... equal opportunities, you mean like Positive Discrimination?

scooby Posted on 11/01/2009 16:11
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"Lets get it right nobody would have been offended if the NOTW didn`t publish the video."

No, YOU get it right. It was an offensive word before that video was released and is still offensive afterwards. I don't let the latest outrage in tabloids shape my standards, unlike you rodney.

Let's just leave Joshie comparing ginger hair to racism, he's not exactly convincing!

tranny_terry Posted on 11/01/2009 16:11
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I can't say I'm surprised to see two well known racists Rodney_Trotter and joshie leading the way.

HolgateCorner Posted on 11/01/2009 16:12
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with respect terry tranny, this area has never been noted for having a large Asian ethnic population so you can forgive teessiders for not being up on the history of these things.

I had my eyes opened in my younger days when I moved around the country a lot and found out the effects of mass immigration on places like london, Birmingham, Leeds and Bradford.

Teesside is nothing like those areas, so perhaps we view things a bit differently.

gibosgimp Posted on 11/01/2009 16:14
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mmm very interesting. what about those ginger pakis...

rokkers Posted on 11/01/2009 16:14
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Tommy_Trinder, are you actually capable of offering anything to a discussion other than pathetic soundbites and PC rants?

scooby Posted on 11/01/2009 16:17
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Ignorance is no defence, holgate. The population might be smaller than other places but it doesn't mean people aren't aware of racism and the context that word has been used in.

joshie Posted on 11/01/2009 16:18
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At no stage have i said that paki isnt offensive I merely stated that discriminating against peoples hair colour is wrong too.

Tranny jumping on the bandwagon, what a shock. As I have informed you in the past tranny I have family that belong to an ethnic minority, you couldnt be more wrong.

grumpy Posted on 11/01/2009 16:19
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This scandal is utter bolox.

Paki is short for Pakistani no different from any other shortening of any other phrase.

Its offensive because someone wants to have a cheap dig... The Asian gentleman who was outraged and wanted Harry to meet with them and apologise is a F***ing goon... if it makes me racist them so be it.

The video was made 3 years ago FFS

tranny_terry Posted on 11/01/2009 16:20
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And joshie using typical and cliched excuses to try and convince people he's not a shameless racist.

scooby Posted on 11/01/2009 16:20
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You aren't saying it is wrong, you are saying it is equally wrong. Now as no-one would ever consider calling someone ginger as equal to calling someone a 'paki B******' then I'd say you were playing down how offensive racism and racist attacks are.

scooby Posted on 11/01/2009 16:22
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grumpy, you are right. Something cannot be racist if it was said 3 years ago, can it?

And the fact you think 'paki' is simply a short version of pakistani just shows you up as someone who is bigoted. At least you accept it.

There are some utterly moronic tvvats on here and in Teesside in general.

gibosgimp Posted on 11/01/2009 16:22
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A GOON how dare you racist pig....oh sorry i thought you said....

Rodney_Trotter Posted on 11/01/2009 16:22
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I saw it on SKY news not in the paper. Facts and all that. Is it not like the tree falling in the woods?

If the NOTW didn`t put it in the public domain nobody would have had the chance to be offended. You see. I haven`t said that saying to a pakistani it isn`t offensive but that it is all about the context in which it is said.

Ignore terry, jesus, if one pakistani calling another pakistani a paki, makes him a racist it really does show how far its gone.

scooby - YOU are the first person who has used `paki bastad`. Please show me where anybody here has said that is acceptable because it is not!

tranny_terry Posted on 11/01/2009 16:23
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"Paki is short for Pakistani no different from any other shortening of any other phrase."

You sir, are utterly clueless and embarrassingky ignorant.

"Brit" is short for British but if you think it has the same racist and derogatory connotations as Paki, then you're either 5-years old or simply stupid.

scooby Posted on 11/01/2009 16:25
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"Is the term Paki, actually offensive"

..is the title of the thread. It is, regardless of whether the NOTW published it or not. Simple logic, rodney.

grumpy Posted on 11/01/2009 16:25
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have a word you idiots...

Brit is not acist because we dont jump on every band wagon going and want a riot as soon as we are offended. That fact came from some actual asian mates who are not slightly offended...adding the word bastrd is a different thing all together .. what Harry said when he was filming as he zoomed in on the bloke in question was to the effect "and there is my friend paki", he couldn't have been less offensive in hs tone if he tried... now the father of the lad in question is even questioning that he was his friend...absolute gimp.


JonMc Posted on 11/01/2009 16:27
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Ausralian - Aussie
British - Brit
Pakistani - Paki

Paki shop - non offensive.
Useless Paki T*** - offensive

Rodney_Trotter Posted on 11/01/2009 16:27
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One word for that grumpy - MONEY!!

gibosgimp Posted on 11/01/2009 16:27
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Take that back ... your insulting us gimps racist

scooby Posted on 11/01/2009 16:28
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You think 'paki shop' is not offensive? Why do you need to refer to the shop by who owns it? Do you pop to the yid market or the coon office?

stewboss Posted on 11/01/2009 16:28
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Not in the literal sense.

Paki means PURE as in PURE LAND (Pakistan)

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 11/01/2009 16:28
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The word paki, in any context, is offensive.

That is a fact.

joseph99 Posted on 11/01/2009 16:29
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The difference between 'paki' and 'Brit' is that the word paki has evolved from being an abbreviated form of Pakistani to one which is utterly derogatory. Brit is not derogatory. I have a few friends with Indian ancestory and they have been called a 'paki' and they find it utterly demeaning and offensive on racial grounds not on nationalistic grounds. Welcome to 2009 some of you above.

HolgateCorner Posted on 11/01/2009 16:30
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Why is 'I am going and get a paper from the Paki shop' racist?

I agree if it is run by, say, Indians then it might be racist or if you say 'I am going to get a paper from the Paki B***** shop' then that is unacceptable, but more for the B****** element than anything.

Is the use of terms like Geordie, Mackem and Smoggy really racist?

You can worry too much about these things you know, you need to separate it from real racism.

JonMc Posted on 11/01/2009 16:31
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I find the tone offensive if the word is used that way.
Walkabout is an Aussie bar. Is that offensive?

scooby Posted on 11/01/2009 16:32
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Do you ever say "I'm going to the mackem shop?" do you ever refer to your mates as "brits"? Can you really answer why the defining term you use when you talk about these people is their origin? Of course you can't, because you are probably a bit dense in your defence.

tranny_terry Posted on 11/01/2009 16:32
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I can only presme that some of the kids on here have had too much sugar today, no self-respecting adult would come out with the ignorant crap Rodney_Trotter and grumpy have.

scooby Posted on 11/01/2009 16:33
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jon, that's pathetic. Do aussies work in there? Absolutely pathetic. You work in local government, don't you? What a disgrace.

tranny_terry Posted on 11/01/2009 16:34
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I can only presme that some of the kids on here have had too much sugar today, no self-respecting adult would come out with the ignorant crap Rodney_Trotter and grumpy have.

JonMc Posted on 11/01/2009 16:35
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They might not work there but it is an Aussie themed pub.
I know a few Canadians who don't mind being referred to as Cannucks.
Similar with Yanks.

Rodney_Trotter Posted on 11/01/2009 16:36
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Thats two posts of which in neither you have answered my question. Don`t worry, though, I`m used to it with you.

Is calling an Irish man `paddy` racist?

grumpy Posted on 11/01/2009 16:38
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I tink the link says it all

paki.com...its all about being Pakistani

"Biggest online Pakistani community"... multiple references to PAKI by Pakistani's.

So which is to be then.. you cant have it both ways!





Link: link

joshie Posted on 11/01/2009 16:38
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Facts are facts tranny, I dont need to trot out my family tree to prove otherwise.

Scooby my point is that if you are discriminating against someone due to the colour of their hair, lack of wealth, spectacle wearing etc. you are as small minded as those calling people pakis in a disparaging manner.

joseph99 Posted on 11/01/2009 16:39
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Scooby come down from the high horse mate.

I have a female neighbour (I would too) who's dad is pakistani and an english mum. When we first met her she told myself and my wife that she was 1/2 paki. It was said in jest and a nice ice-breaker.

gibosgimp Posted on 11/01/2009 16:41
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WOW PAKI.COM.what a great site take a look at there auctions...

maxi_levy Posted on 11/01/2009 16:43
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Stop being so dozy Gimp ye thick C***.

mr_maz Posted on 11/01/2009 16:43
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i'm a paki,

it's all down to the context. I use the word paki all the time and i;m happy for my friends to use it with me.

as someone says it's what you mean when you say that counts.

IMO opinion Harry was just having some banter with mate, who probably called him ginger back

grumpy Posted on 11/01/2009 16:44
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Silence from Tranny re my link... which is it to be then ...i'm assuming you will be ringing the NOTW complaining about the site.

i rest my case.

have you ever seen the film 12 angry men, if you haven't its were 11 people jump on the bandwagon of a decision on a jury because they are not well educated or know there subject , just like you, knob!

Needless to say common sense prevailed


maxi_levy Posted on 11/01/2009 16:46
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Ginger people deserved to be abused F*** em.

Rodney_Trotter Posted on 11/01/2009 16:46
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What about bald ones maxi?

maxi_levy Posted on 11/01/2009 16:48
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[:D]

Tommy_Trinder Posted on 11/01/2009 16:53
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Well said Mr_Maz, common sense prevails.

gibosgimp Posted on 11/01/2009 16:58
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at the last bnp meeting at a pub in coulby they never used the term paki once....that was nice

tranny_terry Posted on 11/01/2009 17:04
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So in summary grumpy, you think the word "Paki" isn't offensive and no one has the right to be offended by it either, because essentially as you say, it's just short for Pakistani. You ignorant fool!

I've made a point about groups trying to reclaim words for their own use,see queer, N*****, just because they use it as a greeting or whatever it doesn't mean that people aren't allowed to be offended if those words are used in a context that is meant to be offensive, insulting, demeaning or derogatory.

It's a shame that blithering, thick, racist idiots like you, Rodney_Trotter and joshie can't seem to comprehend that, but that's the world we live in and some people are silly, narrow-minded bigots.

Rodney_Trotter Posted on 11/01/2009 17:07
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So you`re disagreeing with mr_maz? And that`s now 2 of my questions you have refrained from answering.

That new arsehole that you have been torn really suits you. You can fit another old gadjees knob in it.

onthemap Posted on 11/01/2009 17:08
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It's offensive if it offends the person receiving the remark.

The term Paki is offensive to people from Pakistan, so the answer is yes.

Sorry haven't read the thread - just the opening post, this may have been posted earlier?


tranny_terry Posted on 11/01/2009 17:15
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Disagreeing with mr_maz?

Rodney, I know you're not very bright, you've made it very clear that you struggle on many occasions, but what the fook are you on about? Where have I said that I disagree with mr_maz? If he's comfortable being called a Paki by his friends that's not a problem, but it doesn't automatically stop it from still being an offensive word nor does it stop other people from being offended if the context it's used in is meant in an unfriendly and derogatory way, what do you not understand about that? Would you like me to draw you a picture, darling?

Also, what questions of yours have I refrained from answering I can't see any that you've directed at me?

Rodney, you're out of your depth in debates like this, just leave, go back to desperately trying to create web-friends with your plethora of banal threads about boring topics like you normally do. Good lad.

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 11/01/2009 17:17
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'at the last bnp meeting at a pub in coulby they never used the term paki once....that was nice'

I think that just about settles the arguement then, if it ever needed settling.

Rodney_Trotter Posted on 11/01/2009 17:19
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So you agree that it can also be used in a none offensive way? Nice to see we can agree on something.

I asked you if one pakistani calling another pakistani a `paki` is racist and offensive.

I also asked if calling an Irish man a `paddy` was racist?

aa365 Posted on 11/01/2009 17:20
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mr maz has hit the nail right on the head...well said son

a bit of banter...thats all....no probz

Space_Face Posted on 11/01/2009 17:24
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This reminds me of david Brent's reaction after his racist joke.

'Well if 'he' thinks it's funny' [:D]


Link: .............................

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 11/01/2009 17:28
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Ah, the old 'it was just a bit of banter' line, so it didn't count.

I was wondering how long it would take for that one to be wheeled out.

Rodney_Trotter Posted on 11/01/2009 17:30
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"Ah, the old 'it was just a bit of banter' line, so it didn't count."

By a pakistani it appears Johnny at 16.43. Doesn`t that count? Are you telling what people they should be offended by now?

tranny_terry Posted on 11/01/2009 17:32
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Deary fooking me.

Rodney, if you've read my post you'll have your answers if you haven't then you can't really expect me to pay any attention to yours.

In answer to your questions though; it wholly depends on the context.

I wouldn't consider "Paddy" to be racist, more Xenophobic because it's aimed at insulting the Irish as a nationality, which can't be said about "Paki" because it's not simply directed at Pakistanis, it's applied to a whole race of people on the Indian sub-Continent (Indians, Afghans, Bangladeshis, Sri Lankans) and even some ignorant fools like you would apply it to Persians and Arabs.

mr_maz Posted on 11/01/2009 17:57
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i;m sure many of you would rather be called paki than geordie! i know i would

Rodney_Trotter Posted on 11/01/2009 18:43
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You have no idea if I use it, how i would use it or in what context so you are, as usually factually incorrect.

You are still to answer the question about 2 pakistani`s but hey ho. Maybe you can`t answer it.

Just to correct you there and now prove your lack of knowledge on the subject and will provide a reason why nobody should ever listen to you on race issues. I know 4 lads, 3 of which drink in The Yellow Rose, who were jailed for a `racist` attack on 4 lads, 2 of which were Irish. They were given added time to their terms because it was considered a `racist` attack. You obviously know nothing about the subject and in reality have never been in the company of real racists o think that the people on here and have contributed to this thread are `racists`

tranny_terry Posted on 11/01/2009 18:52
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Read my comments again Racist_Trotter, the answers to your question is there.

Sparkymctastic Posted on 11/01/2009 18:54
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The word Paki SHOULD, in no way be offensive. I have been saying for a long time that a large part of the problem with political correctness is that it seems to think that it can solve a problem by banning a word or changing names. Paki is just one example: a shortened version of pakistani.

The army in recent years were banned from calling falkland islanders 'Bennies' so they started calling them 'Stills' instead (still Bennies). The Spastics Society changed their name to Scope because kids were using the word Spacker as an insult, now they just call people 'scopey' instead. Formerly acceptable descriptives such as Midgets, Coloured, Crippled, have all now been stigmatised and after a while you realise that we are addressing the wrong part of the problem- the word or name itself is irrelevant, it is peoples attitudes that are the problem.

In recent years a large portion of the black community has set out to reclaim the word N*****, and the gay community 'Queer' with some success. It is now seen as a term of endearment when used within the group but more often than not offensive when used by others. This is probably because the push to change the meaning of the word was not entirely picked up.

In my opinion the Pakistani community should reclaim the word Paki. They should stand tall and be proud of their roots. There is nothing offensive about the word and they appear to be taking offence at their own ethnic backround.

tranny_terry Posted on 11/01/2009 19:02
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"They should stand tall and be proud of their roots. There is nothing offensive about the word and they appear to be taking offensive at their own ethnic backround."

What the fook?!

"They should stand tall and be proud of their roots."

By embracing a word that is mostly used in a derogatory way to demean and insult them?

The rest of your post is clueless rubbish. "Paki" isn't only used as a racist term aimed at Pakistanis is it? It was created as means to insult people not just of Pakistan but the peoples of the surrounding nations.

Guisborough_Town_Red Posted on 11/01/2009 19:10
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Of course the word paki is offensive!

Even in the context Prince Harry has used it, (he said "our little Paki friend") it was used to deride, to insult...no matter how much you can argue it was actually 'banter'. I would not have used that word in any situation, and I'm sure others on here wouldn't have either. He should know better.

ridsdale Posted on 11/01/2009 19:16
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You know Bresso Rodney?

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 11/01/2009 19:23
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'"Ah, the old 'it was just a bit of banter' line, so it didn't count."

By a pakistani it appears Johnny at 16.43. Doesn`t that count? Are you telling what people they should be offended by now?'

Would you refer to an Asian as a 'paki', whether in jest or not?

Of course you wouldn't.

borolad259 Posted on 11/01/2009 19:23
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In much the same way as the N word gets its offensive potency from its historical use, so does the word Paki. Because it has been, in the past, used as a derogatory or dismissive term, and worse, as a prefix to the word "bashing", it is likely to cause upset. That is unlikely to change until it has been reclaimed by those who have been hurt by its use in the past, in much the same way as the N word and the word "queer" have been relaimed. Like those words, however, it is unlikely to become acceptable in general use outside of those groups.
When a term has been used to carry a message of hatred for a long period of time, it is unlikely to suddenly carry a message of acceptance, let alone affection. And let's be honest, the people who are arguing for its acceptance on here, hardly seem to be doing it from a standpoint of love and understanding of the Pakistani community.

Stocko Posted on 11/01/2009 19:27
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Paki is as offensive as many other words when you put them before B******, even as offensive as pakistani B******.

Sparkymctastic Posted on 11/01/2009 19:32
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Tranny_terry,

The word was not 'created' at all, it is simply an abbreviation of Pakistani in exactly the same way as Brit or Aussie. My argument is that the word is inoffensive, only its current connotations are seen by some to be offensive. Why should people of Pakistani origins be offended by being labelled as such?

king_hellfire Posted on 11/01/2009 19:33
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i'm a paki,

it's all down to the context. I use the word paki all the time and i;m happy for my friends to use it with me.

as someone says it's what you mean when you say that counts.

IMO opinion Harry was just having some banter with mate, who probably called him ginger back





mr_maz

You state that you are happy for your friends to call you a paki, but would you be happy if a stranger called you a paki?

Sparkymctastic Posted on 11/01/2009 19:35
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Borolad259,

you've put the argument across much more eloquently than me.

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 11/01/2009 19:35
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'The word was not 'created' at all, it is simply an abbreviation of Pakistani in exactly the same way as Brit or Aussie. My argument is that the word is inoffensive, only its current connotations are seen by some to be offensive. Why should people of Pakistani origins be offended by being labelled as such?'

That statement personifies ignorance.

PhillyMac Posted on 11/01/2009 19:38
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You can rationalise it all you like, but the term IS offensive.

You can say the term "limey" is based on some behavioral activity, and rationalise the term "towel-head" is okay in the same way.

I think it's pretty much impossible for people who haven't been victimized to judge these things.

Sparkymctastic Posted on 11/01/2009 19:41
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Jonny Ingbar,

It really doesnt mate, you're just not seeing the big picture. The word is not important, only how people perceive it. Attitudes will slowly change but it takes a few generations. As Borolad 259 said, it has previously been used dismissively of a minority immigrant community when we were less forward thinking. In time it will not be an offensive term, but people bleating on about it being an insult obviosly doesnt help.

tranny_terry Posted on 11/01/2009 23:53
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Sparkymctastic, who the fook do you think you are? Since when did you become the authoritative voice on what is offensive and what isn't?

"The word was not 'created' at all, it is simply an abbreviation of Pakistani in exactly the same way as Brit or Aussie"

Er... so it was created then???

Brit or Aussie doesn't have a history of being used as a racial slur does it, and did you in your expansive naivety overlook this?

"Why should people of Pakistani origins be offended by being labelled as such?"

This sums up just how totally clueless you are and shows your lack of knowledge about the word. They're offended because the word is used a slur, a pejorative label, an insult, in a malicious context it's meant to offend, what do you not understand about this? It has a history, much like N***** does of being used in a harmful and disparaging manner.

If you're so sure that it's not offensive then I guess you'd be more than happy to walk straight into one of the South Asian hotbed communities in Bradford, Birmingham and London and call every Pakistani you meet there a Paki. After all you seem to be either deluded or just ignorant to think it's not offensive.

You can bleat on about it not being offensive but unless you've found yourself on the end of it or are spokesperson for all those that have your comments are absolute, ignorant bullsh|t.

ProudToComeFromTeesside Posted on 12/01/2009 00:05
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Haven't had time to read every post on this but strictly speaking, I suppose to Pakistanis, it's the equivalent of the N word for black people. Also, many use it to describe all Asians, including Indians, who would probably tell you they are most definitely NOT Pakistanis. Bit like calling a Canadian a Yank, a New Zealander a convict or Aussie, or an Ulsterman a Paddy.

There's an Asian lad who used to go in the same gym as me, and I consider him a mate. One evening, I've just got back in the changies and I can overhear his voice coming from the sauna. I shouted out "Has anyone seen that big, fat, lazy Paki T***?". As he's a mate, he took it in the context it was meant ie a joke, as I'd like to think he knows I'm not prejudiced or owt, replying "Ow, I heard that yer cheeky little shortarse get".

Going back to the subject of Prince Harry, I saw some report that said that the Commission for Racial Equality are thinking of taking action. That would be going too far. Maybe his commanding officer should give him a slap on the wrists, but that's all, mainly because as he's a member of the royal family and an officer, he's supposed to set an example. Hopefully, the matter can then be put to bed.

zorro_mfc Posted on 12/01/2009 01:34
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I saw some report that said that the Commission for Racial Equality are thinking of taking action

This should be worth watching what exactly are they going to do then? As for his CO slapping him across the wrist that would the lad who's grandmother is head of the army would it.


Dibzzz Posted on 12/01/2009 01:44
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I wouldn't say Paki in the company of an Pakistani, but I'd comftably say Aussie in the company of an Australian.

It's a strange one.

mr_maz Posted on 12/01/2009 01:52
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King_helfire

it depends in what context i'm talking to the stranger, general chin wagging and banter i would'nt give a damn.

people can take offence for anything they want at the end of the day.


zaphod Posted on 12/01/2009 02:49
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I doubt if Prince Harry or any other member of the Royal Family has any clue about what is acceptable language amongst normal people. I remember the appalling Duke of Edinburgh referring to Chinese people as "slitty-eyed" some years ago. Clueless.

br14 Posted on 12/01/2009 04:27
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The rules are a bit weird though.

Check out Russell Peters. He's a Canadian comedian with a "south asian" background.

Seems he can call people whatever he wants. If a white comedian made the same jokes he'd be arrested.

Same with some of the latest rap songs etc and the "N" word.

It's offensive to call someone fatty but you wouldnt get in the newspapers for doing so.

I believe the Chinese quite often use the term "round eye" to refer to non-Chinese. Is that offensive to those on here of non-Chinese extraction?

Lefty Posted on 12/01/2009 10:46
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Here you go, Daz.

Buddy Posted on 12/01/2009 11:11
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I have to say the "Yeah, god save you..." thing was quite funny.

zoec Posted on 12/01/2009 12:08
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Good grief. I think I've just set a new record for the amount of times my chin hit the floor while reading one thread.

slipshod Posted on 12/01/2009 12:08
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Give my love to the corgi's [:D]

rivals_oldschool Posted on 12/01/2009 12:20
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Can't be bothered reading all the thread. It's a good guess it's full of wet blankets though.

Here's a tip though. In the army expect to hear a lot colour language spoken, non PC language spoken and lots of bullets and bombs flying past your head. It goes with the job.

God help us if some of you lot had to be drafted. You wouldn’t last 5 minutes.

borotmt Posted on 12/01/2009 12:26
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Rivals, I did think that it was ironic that the clips of him using the word Raghead and Paki were tut-tuted but the clip of him firing of a heavy machine gun ( at said ragheads) passed without comment.
sticks and stones............

rivals_oldschool Posted on 12/01/2009 12:29
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Indeed borotmt.

roger Posted on 12/01/2009 12:41
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paki s are paki s not paddies so a paki is a paki

slipshod Posted on 12/01/2009 13:58
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What are Irish Pakistani's?

borotmt Posted on 12/01/2009 14:06
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Whats realy interesting is that PAKI is an acronym for
P unjabi
A fganistani
K asmire
I ndus Valley

so the Muslim Nationalist who coined the name in 1933 was as guilty as anyone in making sweeping racial generalisations!!!


Link: P for PAKISTAN

tranny_terry Posted on 12/01/2009 23:52
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"Here's a tip though. In the army expect to hear a lot colour language spoken, non PC language spoken and lots of bullets and bombs flying past your head. It goes with the job."


That maybe true but the British Army has one one of the best discrimination policies known and this incident now brought to the public's attention only serves as a punch to the nuts for them, even more so when it's the Head's grandson and when they're occupying Afghanistan and Iraq trying to promote democracy, this doesn't look good for them at all.

BoroPhil Posted on 13/01/2009 00:19
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the number of people who can't grasp why paki is offensive just utterly baffles me.

people actually comparing it to 'brit' or 'aussie' [:D]

absolutely unbelievable.