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NedKat Posted on 15/11/2008 22:16
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Should same sex people, who love each other and have a deep responsive relationship, be allowed to tie the knot ?

To be "married" in the name of the leqal context of the law of the land ?

I say ... YES !!!

Why the hell not ?

Warwick_Hunt Posted on 15/11/2008 22:20
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Well said Ned.


red_shamrock Posted on 15/11/2008 22:24
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I thought they could?

onan Posted on 15/11/2008 22:27
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dont be daft ned


how the hell can 2 people of the same sex marry each other?

what happens at bed time? lol, you live in cloud cuckoo land

Bren_MFC Posted on 15/11/2008 22:28
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Nah, can't get away with that, its not natural. Chelsea are full of rentboys, town full.

the-show-stopper Posted on 15/11/2008 22:29
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didnt work for Matt Lucas so i say NO

Warwick_Hunt Posted on 15/11/2008 22:30
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Love isn't natural?


addison-road Posted on 15/11/2008 22:31
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If It makes them feel normal,yeah.......no adoption of kids though!

mattyk50 Posted on 15/11/2008 22:33
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spoken like a true Navy lad [;)]

oh and for whats its worth, of course they should

red_shamrock Posted on 15/11/2008 22:33
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Wouldnt agree with Scots mixing with Yorkshire would anybody spend any money then? that would be a tight arrangement.

Tommy_Trinder Posted on 15/11/2008 22:36
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No, marriage is for a man and a woman.

Civil ceremonies, yes.

red_shamrock Posted on 15/11/2008 22:37
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What if one of them wears a dress a little off the shoulder number?

Warwick_Hunt Posted on 15/11/2008 22:40
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errrrr....marriage IS a civil ceremony.

Bren_MFC Posted on 15/11/2008 22:42
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Liberal, anything goes nonsense, how do you explain to a kid that two men or two women are married, 'oh here's Aunty Jayne and Aunty Claire, their married'WTF.

mattyk50 Posted on 15/11/2008 22:47
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are you enjoying your visit from 1952 bren?

red_shamrock Posted on 15/11/2008 22:51
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lot of empty Wardrobes nowadays.

Bren_MFC Posted on 15/11/2008 22:57
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Standards Matty, standards. The reason why this great country of ours is declining is because people allow standards to drop, left wing Governments and Liberal tabloid newspapers mainly to blame, discipline has gone, people not allowed to discipline their own kids, teachers have their hands tied, kids know exactly what they can get away with and now you want homosexuality to appear as normal, would you want your kids to be brought up by a same sex couple, be honest. People say move with the times but these days that generally means drop your standards and go with the flow.

red_rebel Posted on 15/11/2008 22:58
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Marriage is just a legal contract, primarily about property rights.

Anyone of any gender who is in a relationship that involves any mutual pooling of assets, especially house purchase, needs that union recognised by law to protect their own position.

It also legally protects partners when it comes to residence and pensions rights should their other half pop it.

Why would anyone object to people covering their arses legally?





mattyk50 Posted on 15/11/2008 22:59
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bren...

[:D] if you're on a wind up

[V] if you're serious

red_shamrock Posted on 15/11/2008 22:59
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Covering their arses is that a pop at the Gay people?

Bren_MFC Posted on 15/11/2008 23:03
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I just feel that over the years people have conformed to accept this as normal and they give no consideration to anybody else, a few years ago, everybody would be up in arms, what has changed?

mattyk50 Posted on 15/11/2008 23:07
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what if your son/daughter was gay bren? would you disown them?

Warwick_Hunt Posted on 15/11/2008 23:08
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What's wrong with 2 people having a loving relationship, regardless of their sexuality?

You should be concerning yourself with the heterosexual toerags currently breeding like rats, and using their children to raise money, or even worse, as punchbags.


red_shamrock Posted on 15/11/2008 23:09
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Be annoyed dressed them up in the wrong clothes for all them years.

red_shamrock Posted on 15/11/2008 23:10
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Toerags lol

SplendidStuff Posted on 15/11/2008 23:11
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Imagine the shame for these fools if they had a homosexual family member, especially one of their offspring.

Bren_MFC Posted on 15/11/2008 23:12
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matty, are you personally involved here, do you know people who are together of the same sex, you seem to be very defensive of them

SplendidStuff Posted on 15/11/2008 23:12
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What if he is?

Is it wrong to associatte with homosexuals bren?

Bren_MFC Posted on 15/11/2008 23:14
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apparently not, according to this, I'll leave you to it lads

mattyk50 Posted on 15/11/2008 23:15
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ive got a few friends who are gay yeah... dont see what that had to do with it though?

red_shamrock Posted on 15/11/2008 23:15
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In the Showers yes, but elsewhere I would imagine its ok.

SplendidStuff Posted on 15/11/2008 23:16
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[:D] red shamrock

SplendidStuff Posted on 15/11/2008 23:17
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guilty by association matty, you might have caught it [:D]

red_shamrock Posted on 15/11/2008 23:18
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So you admit that you have a friend, I find that hard to believe.

Warwick_Hunt Posted on 15/11/2008 23:18
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Are you scared Bren? Scared that a poofter might fancy you? Scared you might secretly enjoy the attention?

Let your inhibitions go.....relax those muscles, and let it in.

br14 Posted on 15/11/2008 23:19
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"Marriage is just a legal contract, primarily about property rights."

And here's me thinking it was to protect children. I'll have to get up to date.

You're right though, the state should protect gay relationships. Civil unions would do just that.

Marriage however, should be restricted to persons with the biological possibility of conceiving children.

Might be nice for the state to think about protecting children instead of adults once in a while.

red_shamrock Posted on 15/11/2008 23:19
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lol

Bren_MFC Posted on 15/11/2008 23:21
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You must have been there Warwick have you, who converted you then?

SplendidStuff Posted on 15/11/2008 23:21
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marriage is about protecting children?

Are you on glue mate.

Warwick_Hunt Posted on 15/11/2008 23:23
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Fantastic idea for those people whi aren't physically capable of having children br14.

News alert - JAFFAS BANNED FROM MARRYING AS THEY CAN'T HAVE KIDS

BoroGrecian Posted on 15/11/2008 23:24
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Right ok, so a hetrosexual couple are more capable of rearing children than homosexual couples?

You haven't been watching the news lately have you!

Warwick_Hunt Posted on 15/11/2008 23:25
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Been where Bren?


ridsdale Posted on 15/11/2008 23:28
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Warwick in gay swinger shock.

Sitrep Posted on 15/11/2008 23:30
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I’d like to know how many of these gay couples actually stay together; I mean what do they call long term, 3 months 3 years? You never actually see gay couples grow old together like ordinary men and woman do

Warwick_Hunt Posted on 15/11/2008 23:32
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What are you saying Ridsdale?

Oh, I forgot, you believe everything you read on a message board.

Prick.

ridsdale Posted on 15/11/2008 23:33
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Careful with that keyboard Warwick, spunk is sticky, as you know.

red_shamrock Posted on 15/11/2008 23:33
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A sort of Yakubu arrangement Sitrep they never get a Testimonial.

BoroGrecian Posted on 15/11/2008 23:36
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friends of mine are a gay couple and have been together for over 30 years now. Longer than many straight couples

Warwick_Hunt Posted on 15/11/2008 23:37
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'Spunk'?

Are you really 12 years old?

I had you down as a 54 year old working in the canteen at Middlesbrough college, who loves performing impressions of William Hague and David Blunkett, living at home with mother and masturbating over the Littlewoods catalogue.


red_shamrock Posted on 15/11/2008 23:38
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Your just making that up now.

SplendidStuff Posted on 15/11/2008 23:38
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"like ordinary men and women"

Fuucking moron.

moxxey Posted on 15/11/2008 23:38
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"You never actually see gay couples grow old together like ordinary men and woman do"

You never see them, full stop. How many do you 'see'. You don't know any, despite this so-called "I've got a few gay friends". People do not. They might think someone is gay or have an association with work, but most people have few straight friends these days....never mind gay friends.

As a very straight-acting gay guy, I find the whole being gay thing very difficult. The world is orientated around man/woman, so man/man relationships tend always to feel a little strained, not quite right. That's why they don't last so well. With a man/woman relationship, a kid is often expected. It's easier to have other similar couples over etc etc. There are many more reasons and ways to do coupley things.

In a gay relationship, you don't even really want to go to certain regular places/holidays/hotels. You tend to feel obliged to visit gay-friendly hotels....which makes the whole man/man relationship thing seem even more unnatural - as you're fighting against normality all the time.

Sitrep Posted on 15/11/2008 23:39
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one and counting

anymore?

SplendidStuff Posted on 15/11/2008 23:40
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No sitrep there is more than one homophobic moron on here.

ridsdale Posted on 15/11/2008 23:41
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"I had you down as a 54 year old working in the canteen at Middlesbrough college, who loves performing impressions of William Hague and David Blunkett, living at home with mother and masturbating over the Littlewoods catalogue."


Probably just one of your fantasies then.

red_shamrock Posted on 15/11/2008 23:42
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Was he close though Rids?

Sitrep Posted on 15/11/2008 23:44
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SplendidStuff you are an angry boy

nealg Posted on 15/11/2008 23:45
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Kiss my arse! Ride em cowboy! Yahoo! Good luck tomorrow boys - lets get our balls into the onion bag!

SplendidStuff Posted on 15/11/2008 23:45
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Not really.

ridsdale Posted on 15/11/2008 23:45
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moxxey, in all seriousness, it has never been easier or more acceptable, to be gay in this day and age than ever before. We have openly gay politicians, policemen and members of the armed services for instance.

Being gay just is not an issue any more.

ridsdale Posted on 15/11/2008 23:47
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"Was he close though Rids?"

Apart from my splendid William Hague impression, nowhere near!


red_shamrock Posted on 15/11/2008 23:47
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Lol@ neal.
I dont give a Monkeys who is what etc etc etc.

nealg Posted on 15/11/2008 23:47
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But we dont get the same tax cut as married couples - even the ones without sprogs. Never mind, I dont mind paying to keep Middlesbrough straights bonking.

ridsdale Posted on 15/11/2008 23:48
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Thanks neil.

red_shamrock Posted on 15/11/2008 23:50
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What tax cuts ? that finished donkeys years ago with the Radio and Dog License.

ridsdale Posted on 15/11/2008 23:51
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What? I'm still paying a wireless license fee.

TeessideCleveland Posted on 15/11/2008 23:55
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'red_rebel Posted on 15/11/2008 22:58
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Marriage is just a legal contract, primarily about property rights.


Me and my wife married because we love each other
Regardless of the gay rights etc of this thread our wedding and evening do was about having our family and friends together to share in our union
Your statement is saying marriage is like a business deal
I don't know if you're married or not but if you are did you marry for love or 'covering each others' arses'?

Lurkalot Posted on 16/11/2008 00:02
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Hang on a minute, what's wrong with masturbating over the Littlewoods catalogue?

I've been doing it for years!

ridsdale Posted on 16/11/2008 00:05
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I know Lurkalot, but did you rub your finger over the knicker and bra pages first?

Lurkalot Posted on 16/11/2008 00:08
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Absolutely!

ridsdale Posted on 16/11/2008 00:09
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Good man!

Lurkalot Posted on 16/11/2008 00:54
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Who can forget those rounded lovlies from the late 70's and early 80's in their Playtex 18 hour corselettes, with the big rubber suspenders?


Link: oooooeeeeerrrrrr

slovak Posted on 16/11/2008 00:55
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WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG IMO

swordtrombonefish Posted on 16/11/2008 01:16
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Could not care less.

Bukowski Posted on 16/11/2008 01:28
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I see no problem with homosexual couples getting "married" in civil ceremonies. What harm is it doing anyone?

The only people who do have a problem with it are bigots. See above.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 16/11/2008 01:28
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'The reason why this great country of ours is declining is because people allow standards to drop, left wing Governments'

Eh!!!!!!!

We've only ever had one and they went out of office in 1951. The intellectually challenged electorate only gave them one term in office. Surely they're still not getting the blame.

br14 Posted on 16/11/2008 02:19
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"if you don't agree you're a bigot". Well what does that make you then Bukowski?

Not "a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion" by any chance?

Mojo Posted on 16/11/2008 02:21
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"The only people who do have a problem with it are bigots. See above."

Irony intended?

Bukowski Posted on 16/11/2008 05:08
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I've yet to read or hear a convincing argument as to why civil ceremonies between homosexual couples are a bad idea. The people against them appear to be homophobic rather than rational thinkers.

Please convince me otherwise. I doubt you will.

Mojo Posted on 16/11/2008 06:24
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I don't have to convince you of anything. If we have a difference of opinion, then that's it. I just won't stoop to a level where I feel the need to describe people as bigots for not agreeing with me.

Bukowski Posted on 16/11/2008 07:07
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People are against same-sex civil ceremonies due to their own prejudiced homophobic beliefs - which is bigotry in my book. Stop trying to get on your high-horse when you have nothing to be self-righteous about.

bobstermarley Posted on 16/11/2008 09:06
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I "got married" on December 16th 2006. Except I didn't actually "get married", I was "allowed", by the state, to enter in to a Civil Partnership with another man.

Rather amusingly, this had nothing to do with God, and frankly, I'm glad it didn't. The idea of "marriage" is abhorrent to me - why would I want a union to be "blessed" by an institution that has certain elements who despise my existence and alleged "lifestyle choices", and all the other narrow minded claptrap that gets wheeled out regularly on threads like this?

We entered in to a Civil Partnership in order to garner some degree of equality for our relationship in the eyes of the state. It's still a second class arrangement, but it's better than nothing. More importantly, as someone else has said on this thread, we did it because we love each other and because we wanted our friends and family to have an event to remember - which they did. Yes, it might have been cheap and cheerful, but it was bloody good fun and no, there were no pink cadillacs, drag artists or any of the other stereotypical trappings of the media friendly "novelty gay", high profile celebrity things. The day was about us and our nearest and dearest.

TEEBAG Posted on 16/11/2008 11:04
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Brought up to think its the wrong thing to do and now you have to accept it as its the in thing to do ,otherwise you are labelled as a bigot ,homophobic S***bag.Wrong wrong wrong.

bobstermarley Posted on 16/11/2008 11:17
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The "in thing" to do?

Obviously, it's the "in thing" - setting yourself up to a lifetime of being labelled as "other" and being a second class citizen is what everyone wants to be part of.

Grow up.

Tommy_Trinder Posted on 16/11/2008 11:22
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If it was normal being a homosexual, wouldn't the human race of died out?

number9 Posted on 16/11/2008 11:36
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Well i have a question, if marriage is for the sole purpose of procreation how can two people of the same sex be "married" in the traditional sense?







Bukowski Posted on 16/11/2008 11:43
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"if marriage is for the sole purpose of procreation"

Err, it isn't.

This thread is turning into a Republican Party convention.

number9 Posted on 16/11/2008 11:44
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I thing that you will find that in the "traditional sense" it is. Based on it's deffinition

"a legally accepted relationship between a woman and a man in which they live as husband and wife, or the official ceremony which results in this"

"This thread is turning into a Republican Party convention"

So because a person think homosexuality is wrong that makes them a bigot? I am always amazed at the "liberals" in societies haste to label people who may have a different viewpoint to them as "bigots" or right wing fascists.



Bukowski Posted on 16/11/2008 11:48
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Whatever. They're not getting married in the traditional sense anyway. They don't have a church ceremony confessing their love "in god's name" or anything like that.

They have a civil partnership ceremony to acquire similar rights to heterosexual couples, with regard to citizenship, inheritance etc.

Why some people have a problem with that is completely beyond me.

borobadge Posted on 16/11/2008 11:50
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belated congratulations Bobster.

number9 Posted on 16/11/2008 11:50
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I don't have a "problem" with it, just don't push it down my throat as "normal".

Bukowski Posted on 16/11/2008 11:53
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"just don't push it down my throat as "normal"."


I wasn't doing that though was I. I was standing up against prejudice, which this board is apparently full of.

Homosexuals will always be a minority so they'll never be "the norm". But to say it's "unnatural" is wrong.

They were born that way. Mother nature made them that way.

They're not hurting anybody. Live and let live.

Bukowski Posted on 16/11/2008 12:04
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"I am always amazed at the "liberals" in societies haste to label people who may have a different viewpoint to them as "bigots" or right wing fascists."


I'm not a "liberal" actually. Many of my political views are right of centre as it happens. So don't try to pigeonhole me.

Your homophobic views mean that you are, by definition, prejudiced i.e. a bigot. Like it or not, that's a fact.

number9 Posted on 16/11/2008 12:10
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I can't belive i'm getting into an argument over this.....

"I don't have a "problem" with it,"

So my thinking it is wrong but not having a problem with it makes me a bigot?

i also think murder is wrong as well as Paedophilia and many many other things.

Perhaps my disagreeing with you is the problem not my views on homosexuality?

nealg Posted on 16/11/2008 12:12
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Ang on, the brain washed biggots are back from praising the lord and singing about peace and harmony! ha aha hahah hah hahhhhaaaa

number9 Posted on 16/11/2008 12:13
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"the brain washed biggots"


[:P]

fish

Bukowski Posted on 16/11/2008 12:13
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Not really. The fact you think it's wrong and feel you can pass judgement on a whole section of the population as being "wrong", despite them doing nobody any harm, makes you a homophobe. Just accept it.

number9 Posted on 16/11/2008 12:14
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"pass judgement on a whole section of the population as being "wrong", despite them doing nobody any harm, makes you a homophobe"

But you have just done the same, can't you see that? So you are just as much a "bigot" as me by your own deffinition.

This is a puerile argument

nealg Posted on 16/11/2008 12:20
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Il repent at st peters gates when im dead. Till then fook em all.....the long and the short and the tall,
bless all the sargeants and WO1s,
bless all the corporals and all of their sons...

as were waving goodbye to em all,
into the billet we crawl,
theyl be no promotion this side of the ocean,

so fook em all boys
fook em all!

Bukowski Posted on 16/11/2008 12:23
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Rubbish. I'm pointing out your prejudice.

Do you believe Martin Luther King was a bigot for standing up against the prejudices of America's racist society in the 1960s? Do you believe he was a bigot towards those racists because he thought their views were wrong?

Get a grip and don't try to act all self-righteous.

Mojo Posted on 16/11/2008 12:48
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"People are against same-sex civil ceremonies due to their own prejudiced homophobic beliefs - which is bigotry in my book. Stop trying to get on your high-horse when you have nothing to be self-righteous about"

You can't accept some one elses view as their own so you seek to question their credability or simply label them with sweeping statements.


nobbienuts Posted on 16/11/2008 13:16
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"Do you believe Martin Luther King was a bigot for standing up against the prejudices of America's racist society in the 1960s? "

What a moronic statement.

You cannot accept people may have a different opinion to you so you label them bigots and come up with the facile statement above.

i happen to believe that bestiality is un-natural does that make me a bigot then?

scooby Posted on 16/11/2008 13:22
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Comparing sex with animals to grown responsible adults who care for each other is pathetic BTW.


My opinion: it's got nothing to do with me - people can marry who they want as long as it's consensual and non-abusive. People who can't get their heads around it and get all embarrassed and fidgety when kids ask about it need to grow up, grow some balls and just tell the kids what the score is. If you can't do that then keep your nose out of other people's business.

nobbienuts Posted on 16/11/2008 15:46
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So is that more or less pathetic than comparing what no9 said to MTK?

Bukowski Posted on 16/11/2008 15:52
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"So is that more or less pathetic than comparing what no9 said to MTK?"

Are you REALLY dim? Where did I compare what number9 said to Martin Luther King?

My point was that I was making a stand against bigotry (homophobia in this instance) as MLK did (against racism). I'm not claiming to be a civil rights icon [:D]. number9 seemed to think that by criticising people's homophobic (bigoted) views I was in turn being a bigot. I was highlighting how ridiculous he was being.

If you couldn't understand that then I suggest you join Simpletons Anonymous.

number9point5 Posted on 16/11/2008 18:14
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Ah what great debate this has been and after reading most of the posts (99% of which are puerile imo). It was nice to see the "liberals" resorting to form by name calling as soon as someone disagreed with them.

What i fail to see is how you can claim N09 is a bigot, i have read his posts and none appear homophobic (a fear or dislike of homosexuals) all he appears to be saying is that he thinks homosexuality is wrong? How is that bigoted or homophobic, has he actively stated that he hates Homosexuals or finds them somehow scary, No, all he appears to have done is that he thinks that the homosexual act is unnatural. He acctual states "I don't have a "problem" with it," how the fcuk is that a bigoted statement?

Perhaps he should have resorted to name calling Bukowski, or perhaps come up with a pointless comparison to say Hitler & Ghandi? Or would that just prove his bigotry?

I think that perhaps it is you Bukowski who are the bigot as the description seems to fit.

Bigot - a person who has strong, unreasonable beliefs and who thinks that anyone who does not have the same beliefs is wrong

ABCD Posted on 18/11/2008 08:21
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Seems to me that after reading your posts Bukowski there appears to be only one bigot here and it is you old bean.

Bukowski Posted on 18/11/2008 08:39
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There appear to be a lot of intellectually-challenged homophobes on here unwilling to accept that they're homophobic (i.e. bigoted). Baffling but not that surprising.

All this "it is bigoted to think that somebody who is homophobic is a bigot" spiel many of you are coming out with is frankly idiotic.

It's a blatant attempt to try to win an "argument" at all costs and is pathetic and frankly rather worrying. Your grasp on logic is certainly skewed.

Do you all also think it is bigoted to think that somebody who is racist is a bigot?

Can't you see the ridiculousness of what you're saying or would that entail too much difficult self-analysis?

Some of you need to wake up to the fact that your prejudice against a section of the population because their (harmless) sexuality is different to the norm is prejudicial (i.e. bigoted), instead of stupidly trying to divert the accusation back at me.

But that's not going to happen obviously. You're lost causes.

ABCD Posted on 18/11/2008 08:43
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So the definiation of a bigot as posted by 9.5 does not apply to you then?

"Bigot - a person who has strong, unreasonable beliefs and who thinks that anyone who does not have the same beliefs is wrong"

From what I have read of your posts the glove fits perfectly old son

The_same_as_before Posted on 18/11/2008 08:48
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Cannot see the issue, let them get on with it.

Marriage is just a legal contract, primarily about property rights, Hmmm not sure about that.

If a dog is left £1m in a will, can it get married to the dog sitter?

nealg Posted on 18/11/2008 08:53
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If I want to have a civil partnership its got nothing to do with anybody else. I dont comment on straights getting hitched, so clear off and keep your nose and opinions out of my business! Who anyone sleeps with has nothing to do with other people.Bigots - the guilty always shout their innocence the loudest.FACT. (ps: ive not accused anyone of being a "biggot", so stick that record in the draw to start with).

Bukowski Posted on 18/11/2008 08:53
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ABCD - So people who stand up against racism and homophobia are bigots are they? Yeah righto....Unbelievable.

ABCD Posted on 18/11/2008 09:10
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"Unbelievable"

you said it you bigot - cap fits put it on

nealg - yup none of my business old son.

number9point5 Posted on 18/11/2008 09:17
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WoW Bukowski you really don't get it do you

In a democracy people have the right to think what they want, if they think homosexuality is wrong then they have as much right think that as you have to think the opposite! Running around shouting “homophobe” and “bigot” as soon as someone happens to disagree makes you look like an idiot from the Polly Toynbee class of 2008, a bigoted one at that.

Bukowski Posted on 18/11/2008 09:19
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You're spouting utter drivel ABCD and you know it (but won't acknowledge it).

The phrase "banging my head against a brick wall" springs to mind.

Bukowski Posted on 18/11/2008 09:22
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So answer this question number9point5 - Are people who stand up against racism and homophobia bigots?

Of course they aren't and you know it. Well maybe you don't... worryingly.

The_same_as_before Posted on 18/11/2008 09:28
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Bukowski, your intentionaly missing his point, they have an opinion different to yours, that does not make them bigots or homophobes. It makes you undemocratic.

I cannot see the point of vegetarians, what does that make me?

number9point5 Posted on 18/11/2008 09:33
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i fail to see the connection?

If a person whishes to spend his life "entering thru the exit" as it were thats his choice. If i think it is wrong how does that make me a bigot or a homophobe? I have known many gay people some nice some not so, oddly enough i've met many straight people some nice some not so, never met a welsh person that i've taken too though?

What i object to, and always will, is people telling me what i should think and when I may disagree with them they jump on the "your a bigot" bandwagon. What goes on in my head is not always pritty but it goes on in my head is my domain not yours.

You need to get off your high horse son.

Edit -
"
Do you all also think it is bigoted to think that somebody who is racist is a bigot"

No i think that they are Racist (I have met real racists in my time old son and believe me I've met Racist gay, my ex Lt was gay and a real nazi of a racist also, people as well), but if thats what they think then they are entitled to that view

red_rebel Posted on 18/11/2008 09:42
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Blot,

of course marriage is primarily a legal contract abour property rights.

Anyone who wants can live together in love and harmony blessed by whatever religious body they want or otherwise and that is nice.

But when it comes to the nuts and bolts of how that union operates in wider society - house ownership, asset management, taxation, pension rights, responsibility for children etc - it is the legal nature of the civil ceremony that counts.

For instance, the legal status means that when one partner dies, the other has full and unequivocal pension and welfare benefits, or can keep resident status in a house. Without it they face a big legal fight to entitelments or over the definition of 'next of kin,' especially against faceless bureaucratic machines.

For gay couples this is particularly important because without the documentation many official bodies may not recognise the 'common law' aspect of a union or it may even be challenged by relatives not comfortable about admitting the reality.

That a marriage is primarily a legal contract about proopcan be seen by the issues raised when it is dissolved. Divorces are not about people asserting legally that they do not love each other any more, they are about how gets the house, the car, how pension and income is split and the funding of and access to children.







Bukowski Posted on 18/11/2008 09:56
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number9point5 - You need to read my sentence that you've quoted again. You've misunderstood it.

Not sure about the relevance of much of what you've said either. Of course homosexuals can be racist and arseh~les. I've met some. What makes you think I'd think differently? And what is the relevance of that in this discussion exactly?

Also I never once said that people are not entitled to their own views. But if you're going to express prejudiced (bigoted)opinions on a public forum, you should expect it to be pointed out and criticised.

SplendidStuff Posted on 18/11/2008 10:03
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Bukowski, you know how defensive the bigots on here are.

number9point5 Posted on 18/11/2008 10:04
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You really do not get it do you sonny.

When you grow up and get out into the "real" world you will find that your brand of "pc" cannot be forced on people. You are too free and easy to call people "bigots" and "homophobes".

i believe that someone asked a question about "Same Sex Marriage" implicitly asking for peoples views on it. Just because a person disagrees does not make them
a) a bigot or
b) a homophobe

You calling them "bigots" and "homphobes" makes you look like a blinkered idiot which is oddly enough what you are accusing them of, son.

SplendidStuff Posted on 18/11/2008 10:06
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9.5 if you are against same sex marriage which i trust you are, does that not mean you protest against it in some way, even if only in your own head?

ABCD Posted on 18/11/2008 10:07
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9.5 I'd give up if i were you the guys obviously a bigot

Bukowski Posted on 18/11/2008 10:08
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To call a whole section of the population "wrong" because of the sexuality they were born with is wrong. It might not be the norm, but mother nature made them that way. And who are you to call mother nature wrong? They're not harming anybody.

And less of the "son", "sonny" crap. It's patronising and I'm not your son. I'm a married man of 32 with kids who's lived in the real word for quite a while now. I left home at 17, got an education, worked in the City of London and now live on the other side of world. I've lived a life and I know what's what.

And I definitely wouldn't class myself as "politically correct". A fair few of my views are right of centre. I have both liberal and conservative views. I just know what bullsh~t is when I smell it.

Critical_Bill Posted on 18/11/2008 10:19
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Each to their own and all that, but I defy anyone to say that they wouldn't be gutted if their kid turned out to be gay.

SplendidStuff Posted on 18/11/2008 10:20
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Bill i could not care less, i would love them just the same.


Why exactly would i be gutted.

number9point5 Posted on 18/11/2008 10:22
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SplendidStuff - where have I said i am for or against it.

Personally I don't care as it is none of my business what they chosse to do is up to them. Whether I agree or disagree is irrelevant, but don't TELL me what i must think.

nobbienuts Posted on 18/11/2008 10:26
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"And who are you to call mother nature wrong"

Well thats a whole new can of worms because if you believe in a judo/christian god the it is wrong.

As for evolution then it is also wrong because it serves no purpose for the advancement of the species.

How other "religons" view it i don't know.

SplendidStuff Posted on 18/11/2008 10:28
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"As for evolution then it is also wrong because it serves no purpose for the advancement of the species."

You clearly have no idea because homosexuality exists in the animal kingdom and always has done, but evolution still continues.

9.5 you said it was wrong, do you remember that? Now if you think its is right or wrong you have an opinion as its called, but you seem incapable of realising that opinions matter.

number9point5 Posted on 18/11/2008 10:30
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It's annoying is it not Bukowski when people patronise you, mabey i will stop when you cease to "pigeon hole" me as a bigot sonny boy.

Wow 32 and all that. i left home a 16 so there you go what does that make me then, better than you?

Piggy Posted on 18/11/2008 10:30
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I was in Los Angeles a couple of weeks ago, just prior to the elections over there. One of the issues that people got to vote on in California was whether or not to reverse a recent law allowing same sex marriage.

As with a lot of the issues on the ballot paper (president, local government and specific issues such as this, abortion regulations, new motorways etc) there were quite often groups of demonstrators by the roadside pressing their case.

I was quite surprised when I read afterwards that the law had been reversed as most of the demonstrators seemed in favour of same sex marriage. Obviously California isnt quite as liberal as it appeared.

The only 'anti' demonstrators that I saw were two blokes stood at the traffic lights at an out of town industrial estate. I assumed that they were hetrosexual and wondered why someone with no real involvement in the issue would bother their arse and wave a placard about. I was tempted to blow them a kiss, but remembering the gun laws thought better of it.

It occurred to me later that they might very well have been gay men with partners at home who were nagging them for a big day that they didnt want themselves. What better way to avoid the little bags of almond fancies and the top hats than to get the state to outlaw it?

number9point5 Posted on 18/11/2008 10:33
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SplendidStuff - i have not said it is wrong or right in this thread.

That said I'm now off to play golf so Ta Ta for now

ABCD Posted on 18/11/2008 10:38
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I think you are mistaking "male dominance" with homsexuality

nealg Posted on 18/11/2008 10:39
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"top" or "bottom"?

Rod100 Posted on 18/11/2008 10:40
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yes - of cousre they should.

they just shouldn't be allowed to have children [:D]

mfc_mfc Posted on 18/11/2008 11:17
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Can anyone define "normal"?

John67 Posted on 18/11/2008 11:17
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Don't know why anyone would care what others do in bed. By the way 9.5 always misses the point. Unless the Telegraph tells him to think something, he doesn't think at all.

number9point5 Posted on 18/11/2008 11:20
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one up on the current bun then John67 nice to see you still comment without acctually reading the posts [:P]

John67 Posted on 18/11/2008 11:23
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Is that what you take as wit, 9.5? I read the Guardian but I form my own opinions by thinking, unlike your good self fella.
Try it one day you will be amazed.

number9point5 Posted on 18/11/2008 11:27
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Not read a paper since a week Sat,,,, guess i'm all opinioned out then?

Whay are you not at school then, holidays atarted early for polly this year?

What a shame my golf game has been delayed, would not have been able to chat with you

John67 Posted on 18/11/2008 11:32
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9.5 If you look at my username you might be able to guess my age. But then again thinking is not your strong point, is it? Further, I have a first class honours degree from SOAS and a Masters in CSR from Londonmet. I work in a great job that pays well and is interesting. You just show your ignorance in evey word you type. God it must be awful being in your head everyday, really really awful.

number9point5 Posted on 18/11/2008 11:36
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You really are Polly Toynbee then (but getting younger, i see you are no longer 69)

"Further, I have a first class honours degree from SOAS and a Masters in CSR from Londonmet"

is that supposed to impress me? Tell you what stick them in the post so i can see them, after i learn to read first of course.

John67 Posted on 18/11/2008 11:40
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No, I was simply pointing out that I am not at school as you inferred in your earlier post. Now go and pick on asylum seekers you buffoon.

number9point5 Posted on 18/11/2008 11:42
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"Now go and pick on asylum seekers you buffoon."

Why would i want to do that?

John67 Posted on 18/11/2008 11:45
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YAWN

number9point5 Posted on 18/11/2008 11:49
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So let me get this right john67/69, you come on here just to insult me right, and that in someway makes you clever?

You then try to demonstrate just how “intelligent” you are and how everyone who does not read the guardian or does not hold the same warped opinion as you is somehow inferior to you, hang on are you a “bigot” by any chance?

My advice to you is get a life because if you are 67 or 69 you aint got much left.

Rod100 Posted on 18/11/2008 11:50
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just hazzarding a guess but the 67 could be his birth year.... making him 41....

number9point5 Posted on 18/11/2008 11:51
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but he used to be 69, making him 39

The_same_as_before Posted on 18/11/2008 11:52
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One of the best lines on here was a few months ago from a lad who is gay, he explained his position very clear, in that he simply didn't fancy women.

Fair enough by me, if the lad wants to marry his best mate, good luck to him and absolutely now to do with me.

RR I disagree.

Rod100 Posted on 18/11/2008 11:52
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maybe has alzheimers then lol

edit - again no problem at all with them marrying - why should their be.

i do however object slightly to them being surrogates for their leasbo mates to have kids; or become a father like that botter off corra's [:)]

John67 Posted on 18/11/2008 12:08
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Are you really as thick as you make yourself look?

LOL obviously my typing needed the edit.

You are the idiot attempting the nasty little gay slur. You accused me of being a child and can't work out my age via my username, maybe you should go and do some remedial maths. You accuse anyone of having a warped set of values if they are values you dont share. Your opinions are so obvious it's laughable. By the way I come on here for football and my love of Boro. I have yet to see you even get involved in a debate that is to do with the game.

ABCD Posted on 18/11/2008 12:13
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Have to disagree john67, 9.5 has been on here for years, his views are sometimes odd and he does comment on the football at times. perhaps you should come on more rather than just insult him.

To be honest he has made some valid points which you just dismiss with insults and the like (too which he repsonds in kind) , no wonder he responds in kind. Perhaps you should both just grow up.