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sasboro1 Posted on 05/10/2008 12:14
Aliadiere is getting worse game by game

Watched the game on the internet and thought he was very poor. Gave the ball away too much, cant cross at all and didnt really get involved in the game apart from his goal. credit for getting the goal but that should not be a reason to keep him in the team because adam Johnson didnt start after scoring against Manutd.

You have to look at the bigger picture and see that our midfield keeps getting over run, cant pass and far too light weight. NO link up play from midfield to strikers.

start with digard and downing and the other two positions should be up for grabs. Southgate giving aliadiere a guaranteed start is doing more damage than good. Surely emnes/johnson cant do anyworse than aliadiere on the right. Southgate needs to create a feeling of healthy competition in midfield.

I thought yesterday Turnbull, wheater and riggot were outstanding and if it was not for them we would have lost yesterday. Rest of the team were either average or poor. Mido ended up playing in midfield and him and alves just dont seem to work together.

mar10 Posted on 05/10/2008 12:17
Aliadiere is getting worse game by game

so the fact he scored the winner dosent count....


sasboro1 Posted on 05/10/2008 12:18
Aliadiere is getting worse game by game

See my adam johnson comment.

Same for mido when he scored when coming off the bench. But didnt start in the next game. Double standards from southgate.

I reckon this goal from aliadiere will mean his place is now guaranteed until xmas. just ahve to wait another 7 games for his next goal now

you have to lok out the bigger picture, our midfield is very weak and alaidiere is part of that midfield and so his place should not be guaranteed. only downing should have claims for his place guaranteed

onthemap Posted on 05/10/2008 12:20
Aliadiere is getting worse game by game

Agreed, but Southgate obviously can't see it.

Zoophonic Posted on 05/10/2008 12:20
Aliadiere is getting worse game by game

You cant play Johnson and Downing in the same starting line up IMO. I have seen just enough of Johnson to think he is not the answer to our midfield although concur that despite his very well taken goal Aliadiere doesn't carry the threat consistently enough.

mar10 Posted on 05/10/2008 12:21
Aliadiere is getting worse game by game

gareth dosent have a clue when it comes to selection, aliadiere is not a right winger or a 20 goal a season striker, though he is very technical and fast and should be played in the hole, behind mido and/or alves

lee_marvin Posted on 05/10/2008 12:21
Aliadiere is getting worse game by game

i have the sneaking suspicion that alves and mido don't work together. thought he might have started with mido on his own up front and five in midfield. not sure about aliadiere being rubbish. he got the goal, so that's everything.

The_Dude Posted on 05/10/2008 12:22
Aliadiere is getting worse game by game

disagree that he's getting worse game by game, players always drift in and out of form throughout a season, look at wayne rooney

johndd49 Posted on 05/10/2008 12:28
Aliadiere is getting worse game by game

Sorry, got to disagree with sas--Aliadiere has pace, is always a threat, and sets up chances for others.Put it this way he's scored as many as Alves this season, so the comment about waiting another 7 games for a goal doesn't really hold much water.

Adi_Dem Posted on 05/10/2008 12:29
Aliadiere is getting worse game by game

He's a good player playing badly. Needs to be on the bench for a bit.

Dynamo Posted on 05/10/2008 12:43
Aliadiere is getting worse game by game

Adi_Dem Posted

He's a good player playing badly. Needs to be on the bench for a bit.

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Or he's a good player that scoring a goal will help him come into form.

I only saw the highlights of the match last night on the Beeb and it didn't show much, but his composure and finish for the goal was excellent.

My thoughts on Ali are that we play better as a team when he plays because he always gives you an outlet when your under the cosh because of his pace. Give him the ball and he'll run at the opposition and stops them encamping in our half of the field. Okay, so not a lot of what he does comes off, but the same can be said of every player. If it did come off all the time, scorelines would be into double figures on a regular basis for everyone.

We could all just sit on the sidelines and snipe at him cos that will do him a world of good won't it? Or we could get behind the manager and players. I'm for the latter myself and don't really have a lot of time for people who do the former who add little or nowt to the team. Southgate has done a lot of mistakes in my opinion, but he's also got a heck of a lot of things right. One thing is for certain though, I'd trust his judgement a lot more than some of the wannabe managers on this list. I just thank god Gibson never appointed anyone like OTM or Sas. We wouldn't be struggling against relegation in the Premier League as they seem to think we are (which we aren't btw), we'd be struggling against relegation from League 2 if they had been in charge for the last few seasons.

Adi_Dem Posted on 05/10/2008 12:45
Aliadiere is getting worse game by game

Don't get me wrong, I rate the lad. I think we are a better team when he is in it but he's out of form at the moment and so maybe needs to be on the bench for a bit.

onthemap Posted on 05/10/2008 12:46
Aliadiere is getting worse game by game

Well done on all the typing Dynamo, but looking back, relying on Ali will be Southgates downfall.

bolton_94 Posted on 05/10/2008 12:49
Aliadiere is getting worse game by game

ali was dreadful yesterday, the gate should leave alves on as he is more of a threat. Yes i know ali got the winner this time but leaving your striker on makes more sense. He just needs a tap in to get his confidence up. Id drop ali from now on and play with downing and johnson on either wings

Dynamo Posted on 05/10/2008 12:49
Aliadiere is getting worse game by game

I never said that Ali was the be all and end all, but he still does a good job for us when he plays.

If Ali is so bad, how come he didn't get us relegated last season?

Adi_Dem Posted on 05/10/2008 12:51
Aliadiere is getting worse game by game

Mappie - who would you recommend Southgate play on the right currently so as not to "rely on" Aliadiere?

bolton_94 Posted on 05/10/2008 12:52
Aliadiere is getting worse game by game

If Ali is so bad, how come he didn't get us relegated last season


whats that supposed to mean?

sasboro1 Posted on 05/10/2008 12:52
Aliadiere is getting worse game by game

Got to look at the bigger picture not just 2 minutes at the end of the match. Alves has proven he can score goals, he needs better service from midfield. yes ali scored yesterday but his place should not be guaranteed because of it. How are other players ever going to get a chance if no matter how poor ali is he keeps getting picked.

johndd49 Posted on 05/10/2008 12:55
Aliadiere is getting worse game by game

How can Bolton suggest leaving Alves on instead of Aliadiere? Alves is woefully out of touch and doesn't seem to want to put in much effort. Aliadiere runs himself into the ground compared to Alves and is always a threat with his pace,

onthemap Posted on 05/10/2008 12:58
Aliadiere is getting worse game by game

I thought Emnes was going to be the answer?

There is of course a simple solution to the RM problem, forget about signing defensive midfielders and sign one.

Adi_Dem Posted on 05/10/2008 13:04
Aliadiere is getting worse game by game

I'm sorry I didn't catch who you would play there.

Hercules Posted on 05/10/2008 13:13
Aliadiere is getting worse game by game

I'd have O'Neill back there with Digard and Shawky in the middle. Especially away from home where we might need to battle a bit more.

At home we could use a more attacking option such as Johnson, Aliadiere or Emnes depending on form.

Aliaidiere's not good enough to be guaranteed a start. The only player who is is Downing IMO.

I don't like Aliadiere on the right wing, hes much more affective up front. I know it'll be unpopular to say so but I'd drop Alves and see how Aliadiere performs alongside Mido.

It lets Alves know he has to pull his finger out and at least put the work in.

blindschool Posted on 05/10/2008 13:21
Aliadiere is getting worse game by game

'gareth dosent have a clue when it comes to selection'

So you know more about football than Gareth Southgate do you? He has about 20 years in top class domestic and international football, recognised as one of the most intelligent players around and identified by Steve Gibson as someone he would entrust his club to.

And you.....................??

red_shamrock Posted on 05/10/2008 13:23
Aliadiere is getting worse game by game

I agree with Adi, Aliadiere should have been warming the bench just now but glad the lad got a winning goal and nicked us all three points wont do him any harm.
Nice touch by Downing and a good finish by Ali, nice to nick one at the death away from home for a change and I cant see Southgate dropping Ali who else is there to replace him on the right? Johnson plays left... O`neil is poor there and I think Emnes is left footed as well.

borobadge Posted on 05/10/2008 13:24
Aliadiere is game

[:D]...[:D]...[:D]....

its laughable.....


i'm going back to the kitchen....

Dynamo Posted on 05/10/2008 13:29
Aliadiere is getting worse game by game

bolton_94 Posted


If Ali is so bad, how come he didn't get us relegated last season


whats that supposed to mean?

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To be honest, I thought it was very very obvious, but hey ho, here goes.

Aliadier played a lot of games for us last season, but we managed to avoid relegation fairly comfortably in the end...

Are you with me so far?

Ok, I will continue. :-)

...yet according to some people on here who are supposedly all knowing, he will be the main reason why we are going to be (no ifs or buts here) relegated this season.

Comprede'?

easy_come_easy_go Posted on 05/10/2008 13:36
Aliadiere is game

so many experts, so much nonsense! southgate hasnt got a clue? ya fu*kin idiot!! *puts head in hands*

aliadiere is quality anyone who says otherwise hasnt got a clue! end of!!

sas, you berate him but give no balance to your opinions! never a bad word to be said against alves either! ali's outscoring him from the wing this season isnt he? thought so!

Downing_Boro Posted on 05/10/2008 13:38
Aliadiere is getting worse game by game

Ive seen him have the odd disappointing performance but i think hes generally a decent player, can be a little weak on the ball, but hes very creative, gets forward well and did the most important thing yesterday - put the ball in the back of the net, cos at the end of the game, thats wot counts, the West Brom game bein a prime example, 3 points went to them.

Hercules Posted on 05/10/2008 13:39
Aliadiere is game

Have you wrote my cheque out yet easy_come_easy_go?

He's a good player but will never hit 15 goals.

sasboro1 Posted on 05/10/2008 13:40
Aliadiere is game

Alves will still outscore him come end of the season. The reason why alves is not scoring many is because the midfield is giving him poor service and guess who is part of the midfield? And alves dos have a track record of scoring goals. He will probbly bag a hat trick before xmas

Like i keep saying people need to see the bigger picture and realise that our midfield is the problem and aopart from downing no midfielder should have his place guaranteed. if downing and ali have their positions guaranteed then that leave little room for changing things

that 15 goals bet from aliadiere is looking pretty safe dont you think?

easy_come_easy_go Posted on 05/10/2008 13:43
Aliadiere is game

no mate he's missing sitters galore, yep 13 more to go! come on ali, ram it dwn his throat

Hercules Posted on 05/10/2008 13:43
Aliadiere is game

Can't agree with that sas.

We have been creating chances. Its our finishing that lets us down.

Alves in particular, considering hes our 'goalscorer'.

Off the top of my head I can think of half a dozen very good chances hes had and missed this season.

I'm not saying our midfield is fine and dandy but it has been operating. If the strikers and some midfielders could take their chances we would be sitting pretty in the top 6.

sasboro1 Posted on 05/10/2008 13:47
Aliadiere is game

Problem is that we arnt playing to Alves's strengths. Why spend 13m on a striker if you dont build the team around him and play to his strenghts. Problem is now he has been starved so much of decent service that his confidence is now shot. Probably first time in his career he has suffered from this sort of problem. He has become isolated upfront as the midfield sits deep. I saw yesterday that mido ended up in midfield as he went looking for the ball.

We need to play further upfield, in and around the 18 year box and then get the best out of alves. Alves is just a pure goal scorer and we should not expect him to go chasing balls as that is not his game and we all knew this when he signed. Thats why he needs tuncay alongside him who can do all the closing down for him.

red_shamrock Posted on 05/10/2008 13:50
Aliadiere is game

Hope to see Alves score more but he needs to work harder at his game and he doesnt seem physically strong enough for this division, he looks good at dead ball kicks but little else at the moment.

Adi_Dem Posted on 05/10/2008 13:52
Aliadiere is game

Disagree completely with that. With a bit more luck he'd be at the top of the scoring charts. We know he can finish, we've seen it and we also know from recent games that he gets himself into some excellent positions. He isnt far away and I would persist with him.

mailinator Posted on 05/10/2008 13:55
Aliadiere is game

It's funny how people look to chances he has missed as some sort of indicator that he is going to start being more prolific. The reason he isn't prolific is *because* he is missing those chances!

easy_come_easy_go Posted on 05/10/2008 13:57
Aliadiere is game

sas, you really do talk complete rubbish! we've just said alves has missed a hatful of chances yet you repeat he has had no service! look, he's missed a shed load of chances, stoke city, spurs, sunderland, west brom! yet you seem intent on singling aliadiere out cos you dont likehim! you give him no credit ever!the lad is quality so shut the f*ck up ya no nothing koont!

red_shamrock Posted on 05/10/2008 13:58
Aliadiere is game

We have to "persist" with him he cost us a fortune, its no good hitting the post or the side netting from good positions he is paid to score goals.
Doesnt put himself about enough as a centre forward for me and lacks heart not confidence needs a kick up the arse.

sasboro1 Posted on 05/10/2008 14:04
Aliadiere is game

"sas, you really do talk complete rubbish! "
Oh come on, you are the one who thinks aiadiere wil get 15 goals this season!!
Apart from West brom game alves hasnt actually had that many chances infront of goal. He is not getting the service he needs.

Other players have missed more chances. Thing is, everyone think alves will score with every shot he has. which was neve the case. But looking at our squad, alves,dwoning,tuncay and mido are the only players who look capable of getting us goals.

Bet by end of the season ali has no more than 7 goals and alves will be in double figures. He wil bag a hat trick by xmas once tuncay is back. Can never see ali getting a hat trick

Until the midfield stops sitting deep and leaving alves isolated upfront then he will never get many. He is not a long ball type striker. if thats what we want then just go and sign heskey

Adi_Dem Posted on 05/10/2008 14:05
Aliadiere is game

Not funny at all mailinator, I am using the evidence of him having the chances to score coupled with his goalscoring record as evidence that he will get goals for us.

red_shamrock Posted on 05/10/2008 14:06
Aliadiere is game

Sheer conjecture.

Adi_Dem Posted on 05/10/2008 14:07
Aliadiere is game

As is the notion that he "lacks heart not confidence"

easy_come_easy_go Posted on 05/10/2008 14:10
Aliadiere is game

well the proof will be in the pudding come the end of the season with ali sas so stop using it to slate my knowledge of the game till the end of the season pet!

alves chances? right, 2 in front of goal against spurs (1 absolute sitter) 2 sitters against stoke (header wide and fell over for the other one) 1 on 1 against sunderland (keeper made a decent save but 13 million forwards should score) countless chances against west brom! he had a good chance against pompey too! thing is, i like alves but you berating ali all the time is getting on my fu*king tits! you know fu*k all sas! end of!

red_shamrock Posted on 05/10/2008 14:13
Aliadiere is game

Your right Adi I should have said Guts not heart.

Adi_Dem Posted on 05/10/2008 14:14
Aliadiere is game

Still conjecture.

sasboro1 Posted on 05/10/2008 14:14
Aliadiere is game

"well the proof will be in the pudding come the end of the season with ali sas so stop using it to slate my knowledge of the game till the end of the season pet!"

Just stop claiming i talk rubbish then.

"you know fu*k all sas! end of!"

yeah 15 goals from aliadiere [:D]


So do other players not miss loads of chances then? I;ve seen ali miss quite afew this season

You need to understand that alves is one of a few players at boro who are capable of scoring goals. if you dont have those kind of players then you struggle to score(see last season) It doesnt help when you dont play to your main strikers strengths. For example, you would play wallcott as a lone striker for england with high balls.

So please dont say i talk rubbish when you are as bad as anyone.


red_shamrock Posted on 05/10/2008 14:15
Aliadiere is game

Just an Observation not a guess.

Adi_Dem Posted on 05/10/2008 14:17
Aliadiere is game

Aliadiere will never score prolifically. That's not to say he isn't a good player because he is. I would have him in my side despite a lack of goals. However, it's simple with Alves for me. Everything I have seen him do proves beyond doubt that he is a natural striker, a finisher. all of his goals in Holland, the way he ended last season, his runs and the positions he finds himself in. I am convinced he CAN be prolific but he is just lacking a bit of confidence in front of goal and has had some bad luck too. The goals will come from him, of that I am confident.

Adi_Dem Posted on 05/10/2008 14:18
Aliadiere is game

No, it's an opinion rather than an observation and therefore remains conjecture.

easy_come_easy_go Posted on 05/10/2008 14:18
Aliadiere is game

sas, ali is playing on the wing and still getting chances yet you say he isnt a threat, then say you have seen him miss plenty of chances! you contradict yourself over and over again! one minute we arent creating the chances for alves the next minute you are saying "well everyone misses chances" i'd love to have a few pints with you sas..i'd tie ya in knots ya clueless fool! i'm off cos yer sressing me on a sunday afternoon!

Dynamo Posted on 05/10/2008 14:19
Aliadiere is game

sasboro1 Posted

"sas, you really do talk complete rubbish! "
Oh come on, you are the one who thinks aiadiere wil get 15 goals this season!!

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The only person I see here who says anything about Ali scoring 15 goals this season is you.

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sasboro1 Posted

Alves will still outscore him come end of the season.

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I hope he does. Not on current form he won't though.

Personally I think Alves WILL come good. I heard somewhere that he has the highest number of shots on target in the Premier League so far this season so he's getting the chances (which, like it or not, must have been helped on by his team mates) so hopefully he will start beating the keeper with these shots very soon.

By your reasoning though, it seems like you'd drop Ali simply because he won't score as many goals as Alves. What a brilliant idea. Why not drop all the other players who possibly may not score as many as Alves as well? GON? Wheater? Tuncay? Mido? Maybe we should send them all packing because Alves might score more goals than them. What a brilliant plan. I'm surprised Southgate hasn't thought of it as well, but then your footy knowledge is well in advance of his isn't it.

mailinator Posted on 05/10/2008 14:19
Aliadiere is game

Adi, this isn't a lean spell he is going through, it's called his career! He just doesn't score many goals because he's just not a very good goalscorer. There's little evidence to suggest this leopard will change his spots and plenty to suggest that he *will* miss lots of chances.

easy_come_easy_go Posted on 05/10/2008 14:22
Aliadiere is game

dynamo, i have had a 50 bet with sas that al will get 15 in all comps this season to be fair and i sand by it! if it happens i'm gonna rub his face in it till the day he stops posting! come on ali son! i have faith...13 to go!

Tom_Fun Posted on 05/10/2008 14:25
Aliadiere is game

More money than sense! Not a chance he'll score 15 this season. A more interesting bet would be to see if he scored 15 more in his career.

red_shamrock Posted on 05/10/2008 14:26
Aliadiere is game

I hope so to Adi time will tell.
When I watch him he seems a little bit timid needs to be braver.

The_263 Posted on 05/10/2008 14:27
Aliadiere is game

Although I rate Southgate his rotation system does have a propensity to exclude certain players, regardless of form

sasboro1 Posted on 05/10/2008 14:28
Aliadiere is game

it easycomeeasygo that thinks ali with get 15 goals this season, he has only scored 18 goals in his career. so not a chance of it happening

The original point i was making was that he has been poor this season and despite scoring a goal in the last 2 minutes, his performances should not warrant a first team place. As we have seen mido and johnson still be on the bench after scoring a goal. SO surely the same should be said of ali? Yesterday i thought ali's performance was the worst i have seen for him and i think johnson/emnes should be given a chance because i dont think they can do much worse. Our midfield has been pretty poor this season and i think it is bad to have some players having their position guaranteed as it limites the chances of changing things and it isnt healthy.

Adi_Dem Posted on 05/10/2008 14:31
Aliadiere is game

Mail - are we talking about the same player here? I am on about Alves?

easy_come_easy_go Posted on 05/10/2008 14:36
Aliadiere is game

look he needs 13 more so we will see wont we? personally i think he is more than capable and wil takegreat pleare in saing i told you so!! go on ali

Buddy Posted on 05/10/2008 14:48
Aliadiere is game

I may as well add again what I've said a few times in the last couple of weeks.

Aliadiere has it in him to be a very good player but he's not concentrating at the moment IMO. If you can watch a game back afterwards or whatever, count the number of times he sets off on a run and leaves the ball behind, or hits the first man with a cross or pass. I reckon that's not down to a lack of skill but a lack of concentration. He needs to work on running with the ball as that's his main game - he can even leave it behind without being challenged at the moment.

I'm not a fan of the phrase "papering over the cracks" because in football results ARE everything, but yesterday was the worst game I've seen Aliadiere have for us which he only just redeemed by scoring a goal that looked much better on the telly than it did at the time.

GameOfTwoAlves Posted on 05/10/2008 15:23
Aliadiere is game

sasboro1 = onthemap

red_shamrock Posted on 05/10/2008 15:25
Aliadiere is game

Mappy = arrogant but intelligent.
Saboro = chip on shoulder.

Adi_Dem Posted on 05/10/2008 15:29
Aliadiere is getting worse game by game

Intelligent? You're easily pleased!

sasboro1 Posted on 05/10/2008 15:30
Aliadiere is game

dont be daft i am just me.

i dont have a chip on my shoulder, dont see why i would. this is a football messageboard for discussing boro and dont see the problem with discussing the players, performances and team selection.

I thought it was ali's worse game, his control was very poor and goal did not cover that up. That goal will give hi a few more games but at somepoint southgate wil have to try someon else there.

red_shamrock Posted on 05/10/2008 15:30
Aliadiere is getting worse game by game

Yes thats why I follow The Boro.

red_shamrock Posted on 05/10/2008 15:32
Aliadiere is getting worse game by game

I might have got that the wrong way around.

easy_come_easy_go Posted on 05/10/2008 15:33
Aliadiere is getting worse game by game

mappy? intelligent? do me a favour mate [:D] *shakes head in disbelief*

Holgateoldskool Posted on 05/10/2008 15:34
Aliadiere is getting worse game by game

Older fans will remember a player we had who could be shyte for 89 minutes and then score you the winner - Derrick Downing.To me Ali is similar - has pace but can drift out of games for long periods.

He has a part to play - and at least he put the ball in the net and his pace got us a penalty up the road that unfortunately Stewy missed.

Hercules Posted on 05/10/2008 15:38
Aliadiere is getting worse game by game

Aliadiere's strength is not running with the ball at his feet.

Hes best used by playing balls into the channels and letting him turn defenders then pull balls back for onrushing midfielders and other strikers.

I don't think hes a dribbler. Thats why hes best used up front.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 05/10/2008 16:04
Aliadiere is getting worse game by game

Holgate, you're right about Downing(Derek) and that's why we were going nowhere as a team with him a part of it.

Ali's a forward, one of four we have in the first team squad. Southgate's failings in the transfer market regarding our problematic right side midfield position have meant we've had to play him out of position. He'd be fourth in the pecking order for a forward role.

Holgateoldskool Posted on 05/10/2008 16:06
Aliadiere is getting worse game by game

Thanks for the correction Mr Cat - but I think you'll find Mr Downings christian name spelt Derrick!

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 05/10/2008 16:10
Aliadiere is getting worse game by game

You can hardly blame Southgate for 'failing' in the transfer market.

Ali is playing on the right because GON is having to play through the centre - when evryone is fit (or we bring a central midfielder in in Jan) GON will revert to his best position on the right.

HolgateEnd Posted on 05/10/2008 16:11
Aliadiere is getting worse game by game

DYNAMO, you are as thick as shyte mate.

"bolton_94 Posted

If Ali is so bad, how come he didn't get us relegated last season

whats that supposed to mean?

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To be honest, I thought it was very very obvious, but hey ho, here goes.

Aliadier played a lot of games for us last season, but we managed to avoid relegation fairly comfortably in the end...

Are you with me so far?

Ok, I will continue. :-)

...yet according to some people on here who are supposedly all knowing, he will be the main reason why we are going to be (no ifs or buts here) relegated this season.

Comprede'?"


If we were left to rely on Aliadiere last season, we'd have been a lot closer to relegation then we were. Thankfully, Alves scored more goals in less than half the amount of Ali's games, getting us vital points in the process. To underline my point, last season's stats:
Alves: 7 starts, 4 sub apps, 6 goals
Ali: 26 starts, 3 sub apps, 5 goals

So 6 in 11 games, or 5 in 29. Hmmmm, tells us all we need to know really.

As for the initial thread... I agree that he seems to be getting worse, but (although I'm not his biggest fan and think he should be used as a sub against tired defenders, he shouldn't start) its not his fault that he's being asked to play on the right wing. He's not strong or disciplined enough to play there, but he's doing it to the best of his limited ability (in that position).

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 05/10/2008 16:25
Aliadiere is getting worse game by game

'You can hardly blame Southgate for 'failing' in the transfer market.'

So he's got one right side midfielder at the club, a player who isn't good enough anyway. Who is to blame if it's not Southgate?

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 05/10/2008 16:28
Aliadiere is getting worse game by game

One right sided midfielder?

GON
Ali
Emnes
Johnson
Downing

All can play on the right.

The fact is the club made attempts to bring in another midfield player before the window shut, but we were outbid. Hardly Southgates fault.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 05/10/2008 16:31
Aliadiere is getting worse game by game

So Emnes is a right side midfielder. Why hasn't been given a chance? Aliadiere's been given many and continues to fail. If he's been brought in and isn't good enough, who is to blame?

The other two are left sided midfield players. Do you watch the game?

red_shamrock Posted on 05/10/2008 16:34
Aliadiere is getting worse game by game

Johnson /Downing on the right tried it doesnt work.

Adi_Dem Posted on 05/10/2008 16:36
Aliadiere is getting worse game by game

Maybe, like Digard, Southgate feels Emnes isn't quite ready yet. Just a thought.

red_shamrock Posted on 05/10/2008 16:37
Aliadiere is getting worse game by game

I thought Emnes was predominantly left footed.

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 05/10/2008 16:37
Aliadiere is getting worse game by game

Yes I do watch the game, but revert to insults if it makes you feel better about yourself.

Both Johnson and Downing have played on the right, whether it be from the start or swapping during the game.

GON is our first choice RM, Emnes will in time give him competition. There plenty of other options (including Tuncay, who I forgot to mention) if needs be.

Adi_Dem Posted on 05/10/2008 16:39
Aliadiere is getting worse game by game

No he's a righty. He has been bought to play predominantly on the right.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 05/10/2008 16:41
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They're good temporary fill ins. We need a decent right side midfielder, we haven't got one at the club. Restricitng Downing or Tuncay to that role would be a waste of their talents.

O'neil struggled there since Christmas last year, he's aq better cenral midfielder but still only squad material.

easy_come_easy_go Posted on 05/10/2008 16:44
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BLOCK CAPITALS SO YOU TWONKS UNDERSTAND! ALIADIERE IS HAVING A GOOD SEASON AND HAS LOOKED IMPRESSIVE ON THE RIGHT! HE IS NOT FAILING, HE HAS SCORED TWO GOALS AND CREATED NUMEROUS CHANCES FOR OTHERS AND HIMSELF! WE ARE 6 GAMES IN AND HE HAS CREATED LOTS OF CHANCES FOR THE TEAM WITH HIS PACE AND ABILITY! WATCH THE FU*KING GAME PROPERLY FFS

Adi_Dem Posted on 05/10/2008 16:45
Aliadiere is getting worse game by game

He started the season well on the right but has dipped. Emnes is seen as the long term right sided player and GON can play better there than he can ever hope to in the centre.

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 05/10/2008 16:46
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I agree with that, but I actually think GON is better suited to the right where he has a fraction of a second longer, plus he can cross a decent ball.

easy_come_easy_go Posted on 05/10/2008 16:48
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Adi_Dem? can i ask why you feel informed enough to know what the management and staff at the club are thinking and what there long term plans are?? I think you are totally unqualified to make such comments to be honest.

HolgateEnd Posted on 05/10/2008 16:49
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Ali,
"Maybe, like Digard, Southgate feels Emnes isn't quite ready yet. Just a thought."

This is utter bollox. They are never going to get used to this league by sitting on the bench. We are the only club in the world who would focus our summer spending on "young, hungry players with skill and energy" and then leave them on the bench. These two kids *are* (or could be) better than what we've got playing there now. One thing is for sure....we'll never know if they don't try them out.

Did Fergie leave Ronaldo out for the first 2-3 months of his 1st season at Man U??? No, he brought him on as sub in the 1st game and then he started the next. Look how he has flourished. I'm not saying Emnes is as good as Ronaldo, but the point is that Fergie thought Ronaldo was good enough for this league, so he bought him and played him. Southgate has spent 3m + of a very, very limited budget on a potential star who he obviously doesn't think is ready to play in this league yet. It's absolute madness. The money should have been spent more wisely elsewhere$ in the team.

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 05/10/2008 16:52
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To be fair Emnes has been injured but I can see your point.

However, I don't think its uncommon for clubs to sigh young players and introduce them gradually e.g. Arsenal have a host of young talent that has yet to get a first team appearance.

easy_come_easy_go Posted on 05/10/2008 16:54
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did fergie leave ronaldo out? yes mate, quite regularly! he also left anderson and nani out last season as liverpool have with talented youngsters such as babble. as tottenham have with young lads...

the fact is we know nothing about emnes. aliadiere is the best option and i am happy we have him...

Adi_Dem Posted on 05/10/2008 16:54
Aliadiere is getting worse game by game

I'm as qualified as anyone else on here to make such statements. I don't know why you're getting so upset - I agree with you about Aliadiere, I just think he is out of form currently so calm yourself down.

HolgateEnd - couldn't disagree more. Ronaldo, for example, started 15 games in his first season. Look at Wenger with Walcott. Look at Moyes with Rooney.

red_shamrock Posted on 05/10/2008 16:59
Aliadiere is getting worse game by game

Getting a bit heated.

easy_come_easy_go Posted on 05/10/2008 16:59
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i'm not talking about ali!

i'm talking about your frequent statements that give the impression you are somehow "in the know" when in actual fact you are speculating! the problem is you write these comments as if they are fact and not just opinion.

Adi_Dem Posted on 05/10/2008 17:02
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What does "in the know" mean? It's utterly meaningless. Yes I get told stuff from inside the club from time to time but just because I don't put IMO or I think in my posts doesn't mean they aren't just my opinions. Jesus wept do I have to spell out when something is my opinion or can we not just all agree that unless otherwise stated my posts are just my opinion? F***ing hell.

HolgateEnd Posted on 05/10/2008 17:03
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Walcott cant be compared really, as he was 16 when Arsenal signed him. Rooney was also only 16 when he played his 1st game. And both are English so have English league/club experience anyway.

Ronaldo was 18 or 19 coming into a foreign league, similar to Emnes.

Easy, I'll give you that about Babble, but they didn't resort to playing Torres on the left wing in his place did they? No, they kept their forwards playing up front. Ali is not strong enough or disciplined to play on the right, any half-wit can see that. Except Southgate. And you mate, seeing as you think he's our best option [;)]

easy_come_easy_go Posted on 05/10/2008 17:05
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"emnes is seen as the longterm right midfielder"

dead simple adi! how the fuc* do you know?

you come out with comments like this very regularly!

ps stop getting so defensive and answer the question

Genghis_Khan Posted on 05/10/2008 17:06
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The only person Ali-mare should be compared to is Jason (pineapple head) Lee, that's the last player I remember losing the ball so often.


Ali is shoite, the sooner everybody and most importantly Southgate realises that, the better!

Adi_Dem Posted on 05/10/2008 17:08
Aliadiere is getting worse game by game

F***ing hell read my last post you dozy get it's MY OPINION.

easy_come_easy_go Posted on 05/10/2008 17:09
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[:D] sheesh how many boro fans are there who dont have a clue? I knew there was a few but this battering aliadiere is taking really is uncomprehendable! maybe it is me, maybe i dont have a clue? but as far as i'm concerned the lad is a valuable asset to the team and we are a much less potent outfit without him...

Genghis_Khan Posted on 05/10/2008 17:10
Aliadiere is getting worse game by game

I honestly can't understand why Emnes has had so little time, there's been plenty of chances to bring him on. I know he's had a short injury, but he's been on the bench without a sniff.

easy_come_easy_go Posted on 05/10/2008 17:12
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it wasnt you offering your opinion though adi. it was you making a statement that emnes IS seen as the longterm right midfielder. this is not opinion.

Adi_Dem Posted on 05/10/2008 17:18
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Right you've confirmed it I have to write IMO after everything I post otherwise it will be seen as a claim of being 'in the know'. Jesus wept.

Who posted this by the way?

"aliadiere is quality anyone who says otherwise hasnt got a clue! end of!!"

easy_come_easy_go Posted on 05/10/2008 17:23
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[:D] *raises hand high in the air* because this is true my dear watson and your statement is totally speculative! ali is quality and wenger agrees, so yeah....end of!

cue the "if wenger rated him that highly why didnt he play more and why did he sell" all questions that have been answered over and over again.

not from you adi btw as i know you tend to be quite positive regarding ali, but as i say, your comment is pure speculation

Genghis_Khan Posted on 05/10/2008 17:26
Aliadiere is getting worse game by game

I have told Adi about his comments being posted as facts for 4 years, he clearly couldn't care less.

Adi_Dem Posted on 05/10/2008 17:26
Aliadiere is getting worse game by game

You obviously don't get the point. You accused me of stating something as fact when in fact it was just my opinion. I only ever meant it to be my opinion and did not suggest that what I posted was inside info. You on the other hand offered an opinion on Aliadiere, nothing more, and yet claimed that anyone disagreeing (which I don't) was clueless. Now you tell me which is worse.

Buddy Posted on 05/10/2008 17:26
Aliadiere is getting worse game by game

Shouldn't really get drawn into this type of debate, but I have to agree that the statement highlighted does suggest knowledge rather than guesswork. I'd have put "I think" or "I suspect" in front of it if I'd made such a statement (and by the way it's a thought I agree with).

Adi_Dem Posted on 05/10/2008 17:28
Aliadiere is getting worse game by game

Should I really have to do that though in every post Buddy and if I don't I can expect this sort of reaction? Sorry but that's nonsense.

easy_come_easy_go Posted on 05/10/2008 17:30
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i am playing tit for tat with ali's critics who belittle anyone who believes ali to be a good player and brand him "shoite" really laughable cos thelad ha bags of ability and attributes!

as ghengis kahn pointsout, yu have a habit of typing things in a manner that would lead people to believe you are stating a fact and not an opinion. [:)] dont worry adi, no need to be defensive mate

Genghis_Khan Posted on 05/10/2008 17:31
Aliadiere is getting worse game by game

"Now you tell me which is worse."

You!

red_shamrock Posted on 05/10/2008 17:32
Aliadiere is getting worse game by game

This is terrible what all of you all know about footer I could write on a pin head with a ball of chalk.

Adi_Dem Posted on 05/10/2008 17:33
Aliadiere is getting worse game by game

Not being defensive just pointing out how ridiculous it is. I'll just start making sure that I put "I think" or "in my opinion" from now on just so that everyone is clear.

easy_come_easy_go Posted on 05/10/2008 17:35
Aliadiere is getting worse game by game

sound

bear66 Posted on 05/10/2008 18:39
Aliadiere is getting worse game by game

"I honestly can't understand why Emnes has had so little time, there's been plenty of chances to bring him on. I know he's had a short injury, but he's been on the bench without a sniff."

Hopefully he'll come good in 2-3 years time or it will be a waste of money. He had a chance against Yeovil and looked poor

stockton_dan Posted on 05/10/2008 21:59
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easy_come_easy_go, at last i have seen somebody who shares my opinion about ali, i dont post very often but read quite regulary, and the stick aliadiere and o'neil get imo is pathetic, both are key assets to our team.

ali has so many great attributes that people dont seem to realise, he is probably our most creative player with his pace and movement(apart from an on form downing), we are a miles better side when he is playing, not only as a threat to the opposition but also a more exciting team to watch, this is obviously not all down to ali but he certainly contributes massively! yes he's not a prolific goalscorer, but i think he is gradually improving that part of his game, 2 goals from right wing is'nt a bad return seen as though were only 6 games in.

Ponderosaheadboardbasher Posted on 05/10/2008 22:08
Aliadiere is getting worse game by game

His goal celebrations are getting better

SplendidStuff Posted on 05/10/2008 22:15
Aliadiere is getting worse game by game

getting worse game by game.


Ok this is possibly true.



Most on here are so short sighted that they only remember maybe 3 games max.

However if you take the negative blinkers off and look at the contribution he makes over a whole season the story is a bit different.

sasboro1 Posted on 05/10/2008 23:23
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"2 goals from right wing is'nt a bad return seen as though were only 6 games in."

Dont you mean 9 games?

I think fans are starting to wake up to the fact he contributes very little, especially this season. His contribution over the 90 minutes is not good enough and this is one of the reasons why our midfield is so poor.

TeessideCleveland Posted on 05/10/2008 23:33
Aliadiere is getting worse game by game

I agree GON should go back on the right
Aliadiere should compete for a striking role

Dynamo Posted on 05/10/2008 23:37
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HolgateBellEnd Posted on 05/10/2008 16:11
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DYNAMO, you are as thick as shyte mate.

If we were left to rely on Aliadiere last season, we'd have been a lot closer to relegation then we were.

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Who the fcuk said we relied on Aliadier? I was saying he did a job. End of, you pr!ck.

easy_come_easy_go Posted on 05/10/2008 23:48
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i know how ya feel stockton_dan! it does feel like a massive section of our suppoters made there minds up about ali before he kicked a ball and there is no way on earth they will ever change there opinions.

let them crack on! as long as gate realises we've got a cracking player thats all that really matters, me and you can stay in the minority and believe ali is quality while others who realy know nothing about the game can label him shiote!

Space_Face Posted on 06/10/2008 00:08
Aliadiere is getting worse game by game

Aliadiere is not and never will be a winger/midfielder. He should start next game up front until Tuncay is back or Alves finds some form.

easy_come_easy_go Posted on 06/10/2008 00:16
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thanks for giving us the benefit of your wisdom space face! your insightful and indepth analysis on the aliadiere situation has contributed a great deal to the thread! cheers *stands and claps*

otto62 Posted on 06/10/2008 02:22
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Just an obsevation about some posters:-

When XXXX (insert Ali's name here?) plays well but doesn't score then he's a waste of space, but when he plays poorly and scores he's still a waste of space?

But when XXXX (insert Alves' name here?) plays poorly and scores then he's great because he's done his job and if he plays well but doesn't score then he's clearly going to start scoring soon.

One might even insert 'Boro' as a whole.

Not saying one is right and one is wrong, just that some posters are so predictable.

johndd49 Posted on 06/10/2008 02:29
Aliadiere is getting worse game by game

I'm in your minority, easy come and stockton. I agree entirely with you. Aliadiere has pace and is always a threat to the opposition. As you know the typical Boro fan loves to hate particular players, hence Maccarone being driven out, and the Downing haters nearly managed to sicken him off so that he was ready to leave. I like Alves, but he's doing nothing at the moment, and certainly not justifying his fee or reputation, but I'm not going to get on his back about it, and yet excuses are being made for him by the likes of sas.

karembeu_ca Posted on 06/10/2008 02:35
Aliadiere is getting worse game by game

Ali was very poor today, but popped up and scored when he was shifted up front.

Its not his fault though, its that he hasnt got the right player beside/in front/behind him. thats the way it works isnt it?

Dibzzz Posted on 06/10/2008 09:00
Aliadiere is getting worse game by game

He scored, now fcuk off!

HolgateEnd Posted on 06/10/2008 19:37
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Dynamo, you said:
"I never said that Ali was the be all and end all, but he still does a good job for us when he plays.

If Ali is so bad, how come he didn't get us relegated last season? "

And I was pointing out that if we hadn't brought Alves in and had just relied on Ali, we'd have been a damn sight closer to relegation than we ended up. 5 goals in 26+ games is disgraceful for a striker, especially when a foreign lad can come in and score 6 in 11 while he's getting used to a new league, country, language etc etc.

Easy, I've just seen your BLOCK CAPITALS post. Absolute rubbish mate. Ali is ok going forward but offers absolutely nothing defensively. Not his fault admittedly (it is Southgate's fault for playing him there), but nonetheless, to say he has "LOOKED IMPRESSIVE" is just utter garbage.

He is failing, because he's not giving the team stability and balance because of his lack of defensive discipline. Not to mention that if he'd been able to kick the ball in a straight line at Pompey, they wouldnt have got the throw in which led to their second goal.

As I've said though, I blame Southgate, not Ali. He's making the best of playing out of position. Funny how a lot of people are giving Ali credit for doing a bad job playing out of position, but openly slated Cattermole as being "shyte" for doing exactly the same when he played right midfield.

NYCsmoggie Posted on 06/10/2008 21:53
Aliadiere is getting worse game by game

Credit to hime for getting the goal, it was a composed finish. However he was very poor up to that point. He was also very poor at Sunderland.

I would like to see Johnson or Emes start out there to freshen things up.

karembeu_ca Posted on 06/10/2008 21:56
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Holgate, not saying I disagree with all of that, but he was okay at the start of the season when Tuncay was in. I am trying to figure out what Tuncay offered that made Ali look better. Space? Or was it that Tuncay was playing deeper, and doing a lot of defensive work as well?

Altho, Mido put in a good shift last game defensively, and Ali still looked poor.

Space_Face Posted on 06/10/2008 22:05
Aliadiere is getting worse game by game

Insightful analysis isn't needed. Aliadiere isn't a winger - he's a striker, I'm sure he'd say the same thing.

karembeu_ca Posted on 06/10/2008 22:12
Aliadiere is getting worse game by game

he's not a striker, he is a forward. Mido and Alves are strikers. Tuncay is a forward too.

gravyboat Posted on 06/10/2008 22:49
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'I think fans are starting to wake up to the fact he contributes very little, especially this season. His contribution over the 90 minutes is not good enough and this is one of the reasons why our midfield is so poor.'

Sas, wasn't it you who was saying for most of last season he should play right midfield?

onthemap Posted on 07/10/2008 03:11
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Sounds like a few are finally waking up to Ali. Have to say it's taken you a long time mind.

Some will never get it though so I suppose I should just forget the 30 odd games before you came round!

br14 Posted on 07/10/2008 04:51
Aliadiere is getting worse game by game

Maybe so, but he did score, and noone else that plays for Boro had the pace to get in the box for the goal.

I suppose Johnson might have provided a little more threat down the right, but he doesn't have the pace of Aliadiere and it's likely that Figueroa might have pushed up more without the threat of Aliadieres pace.

I'm surprised he doesn't get subbed off but maybe he's the only one fit enough to do 90 minutes. Certainly few of our other players seem to be up for it.

I noticed Kapo was kept quiet (even though he was preferred to Koumas) so Hoyte and Aliadiere must have done a reasonable job of keeping Wigans left busy.

So for now it looks as though if you want Aliadiere dropped you'll have to save up and buy the club.

Buddy Posted on 07/10/2008 08:50
Aliadiere is getting worse game by game

I wouldn't normally bother with you onthemap, but just to say that just because he's not very good at the moment, doesn't mean that was always the case.

bear66 Posted on 07/10/2008 09:31
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"Sounds like a few are finally waking up to Ali. Have to say it's taken you a long time mind."

No change here - he is the ONLY player with pace in our team - players with pace stretch defences and giver room to our other strikers (sorry we haven't got any strikers in our squad - forwards) to get space in dangerous areas

Tuncay also stretches defences, but not by pace but with positioning and change of direction

Alves and Mido are just too predictable to do anything except . . . (hopefully one day) . . . score goals

Critical_Bill Posted on 07/10/2008 10:15
Aliadiere is getting worse game by game

It's all well and good having pace to 'stretch' teams, but you need to be able to make use of the ball.
he gives it away far too much, and leaves his full-back exposed.
Not a right-midfielder, merely a fourth choice striker. Being on of Southgate's first signings, he always manages to accomodate him somehow.

bear66 Posted on 07/10/2008 10:28
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That's a bit critical Bill!

Pace relies on the rest of the team putting in just a little supportive effort - midfielders and strikers - Tuncay was superb at providing that bit of supportive effort

I agree he's fourth choice . . . . behind Torres, Tevez and Adebayor . . . oh those three don't play for us

sasboro1 Posted on 07/10/2008 10:29
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"Sas, wasn't it you who was saying for most of last season he should play right midfield?"

what i said last season is that he would lose his place upfront once tuncay/mido was fit as he is 4th choice striker. His only way of being a regular was to be tried on the right wing and adapt there. same as when smac moved massimo out on the right to accommodate him. It hasnt worked out and i think southgate should now look to other options on the right as our midfield is woeful. I also said aliadiere best option is to be an impact player to bring on with 15 minutes to go. He is not good enough to hold down a place at this level.

Due to lack of creativity in central midfield southgate has to commit an attacking type player on the right otherwise we are to onegative and defensive. a midfield of shawky,GOn and digard just will not work.

What does this sort of thing tell adam johnson? If he can't get in ahead of ali on the right at the moment then he never will. Why bother buying emnes for 3.5m if he is not going to get ahead of ali on the right? that 3.5m might have been better spent on a midfielder who is ready to play in the premier league.

In a nutshell, ali has had a crack at it on the right wing. Despite scoring a goal he shouldnt be guaranteed his place there and we have other players who should be given a try. Southgate has shown that scoring a goal does not guarantee you a starting place so why shoul dit wil Ali. If no one else better then i expect southgate to buy someone in january who can do a better job. Even GON did a better job on the right last season.

onthemap Posted on 07/10/2008 10:32
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Buddy
"I wouldn't normally bother with you onthemap"

You're one of the ones that will never get it Buddy, so I won't bother with you at all if that's ok.

Critical_Bill Posted on 07/10/2008 10:41
Aliadiere is getting worse game by game

Buddy's a condascending house-snatcher.

somethingtodowithdeath Posted on 07/10/2008 10:44
Aliadiere is getting worse game by game

Agree with Bill, and as I have stated before, GS is accomodating players, its a massive weakness.

Ali at RM and Pog at LB (before his ban)

Ali was truely awful against Wigan, but his goal will give GS the excuse he needs to keep playing him. I having nothing against Ali, but I feel his only natural position is in the hole, but I do not think he is good enough to be first choice there, as Tuncay is twice the player.

The bottom line is that the squad midfield lacks balance,not enough orthodox midfielders, not that it really matters as GS does not play Digard enough anyway.

As a supporter of GS I am suprised how spineless and clueless he has been at the start of the season. Our points tally is OK, but he seems to be going soft again.

easy_come_easy_go Posted on 07/10/2008 12:07
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holgate_end, another one who hasnt a clue about the game of football, just a self proclaimed expert who knows f*ck all! Aliadiere is the best attacking player at our diposel now tuncay is injured, he offers pace, ability and unselfish running which creates space for others. one poster even said he was lazy!! wtf are ya talking about ya muppett??

I'm sick and tired of boro fans, they are a complete joke and slate good players like ali cos they need a boo boy! FACT

fuc*in to$$ers

Critical_Bill Posted on 07/10/2008 12:09
Aliadiere is getting worse game by game

I think you are the biggest tosser on here, and your love for Aliadiere is unnervingly creepy.


bear66 Posted on 07/10/2008 12:09
Aliadiere is getting worse game by game

What makes you think these trolls are Boro fans? It's obvious they aren't . . . .

onthemap Posted on 07/10/2008 12:17
Aliadiere is getting worse game by game

Yes because they don't rate a player, that's a dead give away that one eh?

Grow the F*** up.

easy_come_easy_go Posted on 07/10/2008 12:19
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love for aliadiere? your one of those blokes that if a particular group of lads like each others company you say things like "there up each others arse" etc...

sad tw@t bill, you havent got a fu*kin clue about football ya jockey now kindly jog on

Adi_Dem Posted on 07/10/2008 12:20
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"Sounds like a few are finally waking up to Ali. Have to say it's taken you a long time mind.

Some will never get it though so I suppose I should just forget the 30 odd games before you came round!"

No mappie, that is where you are wrong. Most who rated him before, like me, still do. However, I don't let my belief in his ability and the numerous arguments I have had on here supporting him cloud the fact that he is currently out of form and therefore probably needs to be on the bench for a while.

easy_come_easy_go Posted on 07/10/2008 12:25
Aliadiere is getting worse game by game

he is not out of form! he won the pen against sunderland had a hand in creating 3-4 good chances against west brom and scored at the weekend! players cant be brilliant week in week out for 90 mins! you stand by them cos you have faith that they will return to there best! dropping players because they have a dip in form isnt the solution despite the fact i believe he is still playing a major part as i am sure gareth does too!

Critical_Bill Posted on 07/10/2008 12:56
Aliadiere is getting worse game by game

easy_come, you are just a foul-mouthed guttersnipe halfwit.

List us these chances he was involved in against West brom.

easy_come_easy_go Posted on 07/10/2008 12:58
Aliadiere is getting worse game by game

and you are a dozey, self important tw@t. he had a hand in 4-5 moves that ended with good opportunities! Foul-mouthed? ya fu*kin pansy c*nt, f*ck off! [:)] have some of that ya pr*ck

Critical_Bill Posted on 07/10/2008 12:59
Aliadiere is getting worse game by game

Are you a member of the Tollesby School alumni?

redsquare24 Posted on 07/10/2008 13:08
Aliadiere is getting worse game by game

"Aliadiere is getting worse game by game."


Yes, quite dreadful in the last one in particular.

If he continues to score any more last minute winning goals for the Boro, i doubt he'll even be making the bench come December.

[:O)]

bear66 Posted on 07/10/2008 13:20
Aliadiere is getting worse game by game

He can only get better as he is played as one of the 2 in a 4-4-2. Alves certainly isn't first choice there and we may have seen the best of Mido already

Adi_Dem Posted on 07/10/2008 13:31
Aliadiere is getting worse game by game

I don't see the problem in saying that you rate Aliadiere highly but that he is out of form. He started pretty well on the right but has dipped. I still rate him despite that, just as I do Alves for example, but I can still recognise a dip in form. If other disagree and feel he is doing well and deserves to be in the team then that's fine too!

Critical_Bill Posted on 07/10/2008 13:34
Aliadiere is getting worse game by game

Let's be honest, he is incredibly average. Wenger tried and tried to offload him before Southgate became the willing recipient.

If he'd stayed at Arsenal he'd have struggled to get in their League cup team.

loislane5 Posted on 07/10/2008 13:47
Aliadiere is getting worse game by game

Yes, Wenger thought he was so bad that Ali remained at Arsenal for ten years having come from the French Academy aged 15. Wenger also called off our initial deal for him when Van Persie got injured. Obviously he thought he was dreadful and was just desperate to 'offload' him.

He's ok at the moment, not great not dreadful but as that goes for most of our team and makes his form a lot better than some others recently I'm not sure where all the hostility comes from.

Critical_Bill Posted on 07/10/2008 13:52
Aliadiere is getting worse game by game

How many games did he play to fill in for Van Persie?

Genghis_Khan Posted on 07/10/2008 13:54
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"Yes, Wenger thought he was so bad that Ali remained at Arsenal for ten years"

Yes outstanding point... the fact that Wenger played him in about 5 non league cup games shows how highly he was thought of.

Women & football mix about as well as Jelly and chips!

bear66 Posted on 07/10/2008 13:56
Aliadiere is getting worse game by game

Wenger really has got things right this season, hasn't he? Should be getting a 15m bid for Ali in January . . .

loislane5 Posted on 07/10/2008 14:06
Aliadiere is getting worse game by game

I did not say he played him a lot I said the reason he gave for not letting him go was Van Persie's injury.

sasboro1 Posted on 07/10/2008 14:13
Aliadiere is getting worse game by game

thing with ali this is his peak(this and last season) he just isnt going to improve anymore at his age. He isnt suddenly going to start scoring,become a great crosser or great tackler. if wenger rated him that highly then he would have played a lot more jsut like walcott is now.