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Michael_Knight Posted on 04/09/2008 17:57
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After reading comments by Keith Lamb in tonight's Gazette i really wonder what future does Middlesbrough football Club really have in terms of ambition? I would like to think that in the near future we need vast investment in the club to possibly challenge the top 4.

Keith Lamb: Boro will resist any interest which might come their way from abroad. Ever since 1876, when Middlesbrough Football Club was born, I don't think it has been under foreign ownership throughout its 132 years. Steve Gibson has no intentions for the club to be anything other than a community asset for Middlesbrough. And at the same time an asset for the people of the town. Boro are a small club. We are taking on a Goliath everytime we play, but David sometimes wins. What we have to do is make sure we get the best for our money.

In my opinion Gibson and Lamb are basically saying we are a small club with hardly any money and we are going to make do with a middle table finsh most seasons and possibly try to get into a few finals and win the odd cup. If we do eventually get relegated Mr Gibson and Mr Lamb will give the ready made answers of 'we have punched above our weight for a while, for a small club we have been in the top league for over 10 years, won the league cup, got in various cup final's etc...
I would like Mr Gibson to stay at this football club in some capacity with a investor and someone with ambition to take this stigma which is attached to Middlesbrough Football Club as being a small club and transform us into a big club that gets full capacity every home game and some top quality player's who can make us challenge for the top 4. I would also like to see Keith Lamb out as he has been milking this club for years!
Steve Gibson and Keith Lamb are always going to say 'we have no intention of selling the club' as no doubt their yearly salaries will be astronomical. I thank Steve Gibson for what he did in the 80's by saving this club and taking us on to the 'Riverside Revolution' but i think he really needs to consider bringing in someone alongside him with the financial capability to take this football club on to the next level.

blindschool Posted on 04/09/2008 18:01
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Why would anyone want to invest in the Boro. We are not a sleeping giant, we have had years of Prem football and can't fill the ground. Most people in the town would rather spend their money on tabs and beer than support their hometown club.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 04/09/2008 18:03
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We have, and will again, fill the ground when the product deserves it.

Michael_Knight Posted on 04/09/2008 18:04
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Im sure that if we had quality players playing week in week out we would sell out every home game just like we did under Brian Robson.

weemoby Posted on 04/09/2008 18:05
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Michael, you say: "I would also like to see Keith Lamb out as he has been milking this club for years!"

Forgive my naivety, but how have you arrived at this considered opinion?

Ponderosaheadboardbasher Posted on 04/09/2008 18:05
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Stating we'll never sell out to a foreign billionaire would have a bit more credence if a foreign billionaire was actually trying to buy us.
I think a lot of what he says makes sense though. It is still only 11 vs 11 and there will still be room for lots of talent even after the Billionaire Club teams have finished gorging themselves.
I do expect eventually a UEFA ruling limiting the amount of debts these clubs can carry and that will even the situation out a bit

Tibetan Posted on 04/09/2008 18:06
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I'ld rather watch a club being ran well, have a smattering of local talent, play or at least try to play decent football, with the the hope of achieving something the odd season, than one spending £200m and then sh*tting themselves because some richer bloke has just come in and spent £300m taking the last champions league spot from them.

Michael_Knight Posted on 04/09/2008 18:07
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Because as i have already stated in my original post i would suspect that Keith Lamb's salary will be astronomical.

The_Lizards_Jumpers Posted on 04/09/2008 18:07
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You're an idiot.

"I would also like to see Keith Lamb out as he has been milking this club for years!"

Like what ?


"Steve Gibson and Keith Lamb are always going to say 'we have no intention of selling the club' as no doubt their yearly salaries will be astronomical."

Gibson doesnt take a penny out of the club, so I very much doubt it.

No doubt when it all goes tits up for these foreign investors (as that's what they are INVESTORS) they're not running the club for fun like Gibson, will you be crying then about the club selling its soul - probably!

Tibetan Posted on 04/09/2008 18:08
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So it should be, he is the CEO of a major business.

weemoby Posted on 04/09/2008 18:08
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Tibetan - couldn't agree with you more, well put.

Michael_Knight Posted on 04/09/2008 18:11
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Yes hence thats why i stated that Keith Lamb is going to say they are not willing to sell the club as he is making a absolute fortune. Do you people realise that there will come a time when Mr Gibson does decide to sell this club? Who would you like when he does sell it??

Michael_Knight Posted on 04/09/2008 18:13
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Steve Gibson does not make a penny out of this football club?? yea right!

The_Lizards_Jumpers Posted on 04/09/2008 18:13
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"Do you people realise that there will come a time when Mr Gibson does decide to sell this club? "

Like Jack Walker did with Blackburn you mean?

"Yes hence thats why i stated that Keith Lamb is going to say they are not willing to sell the club as he is making a absolute fortue."

It's nothing to do with Lamb, he'll have no choice it's up to Gibson.

If you're going to put forward a decent argument at least think about it first.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 04/09/2008 18:16
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Lamb's done a cracking job at the Boro, make no mistake about that. If he hadn't he wouldn't be there now. Like Gibson, he's also a big Boro fan.

Michael_Knight Posted on 04/09/2008 18:19
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Lizzard, my original post was comments made by Keith Lamb. As long as Steve Gibson is in charge of this football club then Keith Lamb will make a fortune. Therefore Keith Lamb wants Gibson to stay in charge for as long as possible.

Ponderosaheadboardbasher Posted on 04/09/2008 18:20
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Lamb's salary is of no consequence at all. David Gill was on far more at ManUre and he still retained his job. Even though he advised the ManUre shareholders not to sell to the Mormon Mafia

blindschool Posted on 04/09/2008 18:21
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Lamb seems to get hammered on a regular basis by Boro fans for no apparent reason. Could it be that he's just a conveniant target for people who don't want to blame Gibson.

Michael_Knight Posted on 04/09/2008 18:21
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Keith Lamb has done a cracking job at boro? he cost us our premiership status under Robson, he makes numerous mistakes when trying to sign players etc... Lamb is a joke

weemoby Posted on 04/09/2008 18:24
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"Numerous mistakes when trying to buy players".......

..... What about all the ones he got us?

Dean05 Posted on 04/09/2008 18:24
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Lizard - unfortunately at Man City the arabs are in it for the fun of it, not an investment. It's their hobby and they won't stop until City are the best team in the world. It's ruining the game and for most Prem Lge clubs now the chance of qualifying for the UEFA cup via the league is diminishing more and more with every new takeover that happens.

borospark Posted on 04/09/2008 18:24
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Michael_Knight you are a knob, we are a small club with a small following, get it into your head. We are probably the most successful small club in the premier league and that is thanks to Mr Gibson & Lamb, we continually punch above our weight but because we have had some success you want more.
Do you think the euphoria you feel when we beat MU, Chelsea etc would be the same if we had a billionaire owner and bought all the best players.
You would probably become one of the "prawn sandwich brigade" winging when we lost to a team like Boro if we did get a billionaire because the only shock then would be to lose.
Get real

dave_79 Posted on 04/09/2008 18:24
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I agree with Micheal_Knight, how much ambition does gibbo and lamb actually have left. reading tonights quotes by lamb and gibson it has left me something to think about.

What are the players going to be thinking reading that rubbish. Its about time this club started standing up for its self and got rid of lamb (he has fleeced this club enough).

gibbo should start to be looking at getting some help where with regards to finance.

get the big players in again fill the stadium. we all no if we have the players the fans come out the woodwork and we could fill that ground.

get rid of that S***e errea brand, and get a decent brand name (adidas, nike etc) and start selling them in sports stores around the area if not the country. This will again raise our profile instead of us been punching above our weight all the time.

I would much rather see us go for trophys and trying to finish in the top 6 year in, year out, than us finishing in the bottom half or even worse relegation because I think that is where we will be very soon ( i really hope not ).

1 final point just because we have never had a foriegn owner does not mean it won't benifit the area and the club. Do any of the fans at chelsea, aston villa, man city to name a few give a f**k about there culture and traditions now they are signing players from all over the world, I don't think so.

Jonicama Posted on 04/09/2008 18:25
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The original post is pathetic and I wonder if he is a boro fan. All boro fans know Gibson doesn't take a salary. Accepting he is not a boro fan then I'll try and make some brief comments.

As someone said we're not a sleeping giant, we're not a big city glamourous club. We've never had a sniff of a billionaire being interested in our club.

The best we can hope for is attractive football, a few decent players (ideally with some good homegrown players), a decent cup run every other season, maybe a few trips around Europe and remaining in the Pemiiership.

If anyone is looking for more or hoping for more in the current crazy ecomomic conditions in which football is operating then they are being unrealistic.

A lot of clubs would jump at the possibility of the above.

Maybe in a few years if a few clubs follow Leeds we will have some sense put back into football but that is a few years down the line.

You may say I'm defeatist or lacking ambition but I am being realistic.

I for one support what Gibson (and Lamb) are trying to do.

I just hope the big foreign owners get their fingers burnt and bugger off back from whence they came.

MKredleaderOne Posted on 04/09/2008 18:29
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Have you net Michael_Knight?

I got a photo of him the other week when I bought his car.


Link: Michael_Knight

Michael_Knight Posted on 04/09/2008 18:30
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Im very much a Boro fan Jonicama. The differnce between me and you is i am a ambitious boro fan! are Man City a big glamourous club? dont think so!

Michael_Knight Posted on 04/09/2008 18:31
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dave_79 totally agree with you.

Tibetan Posted on 04/09/2008 18:31
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Couple of points.

Most on here (and throughout the rest of the country) appear to despise Chelsea. Yet some want to be them. Thats not disliking them, its just being jealous.

Secondly, we can't all win the Pl or CL. Best season for me - 3rd division with Rioch. Pride, passion, a sense of being delighted we were still alive. If you weren't there at the time, you missed out on something special. If you were and you just want us to be the next Chelsea or City then I pity you, I really do.

Michael_Knight Posted on 04/09/2008 18:35
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I have clearly stated i want Steve Gibson to stay at the club but i would like someone with good financial backing for the good of the club in terms of buying good quality players. I think my point is very valid and people are twisting it.

borospark Posted on 04/09/2008 18:36
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Michael_Knight are you and dave_79 the same person? you spout the same sheite.

Michael_Knight Posted on 04/09/2008 18:38
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ok borospark u put up with boro being middle table dross until the day you die.

junkyard_angel Posted on 04/09/2008 18:44
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I would absolutely hate it if Gibson sold out to some foreign billionaire. Yes, I have ambitions for our club but I hate the way that English football is prostituting itself to the highest bidder.

This is not happening in Spain, Italy or Germany and it will eventually ruin English football. The premiership is becoming a huge franchise and if it carries on, it will be no more exciting than watching Coke and Pepsi slugging it out because the game will no longer belong to us.

Lamb is a gem and we are lucky to have him.

dave_79 Posted on 04/09/2008 18:45
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Tibetan totally agree with you regards the passion and pride and yes it brilliant that we are still alive but come on surely if one day you are just a small team in the premiership hoping to survive each year, and the next day some billionnaire comes in and starts buying top world class players and all of a sudden you are fighting for the title or aiming for the top 4, you carn't pity someone for wanting that.

Tibetan Posted on 04/09/2008 18:47
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Yes I can because it means nowt.

Jonicama Posted on 04/09/2008 18:47
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If you can't see that Man City have more potential to be a bigger club then Boro then you're thicker than I thoought.

The word is potential.

We can compete with Man City, we do compete with Man City (until now anyway) but if they ever got it together then they could be a big city glamourous club.

That is what the Arabs have identified, that and the opportunity because the Thia bloke was desperate to sell.

Michael_Knight Posted on 04/09/2008 18:49
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So im thick because i would like to think that i will see Boro one day show some ambition and challenge the top 4 or win a fa cup before i die? ok jonicama whatever!

borospark Posted on 04/09/2008 18:51
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Michael_Knight Its not about being middle table dross, its about achieving something and working at it. Do You work for a living? Do you have ambition or do you wait for the government to hand it to you on a plate.
Just think how much more proud you would feel if we achieved something in todays climate, on limited resources rather than having it handed on a plate. I love the Boro and would love having the best players at the club but what I would hate is losing that excitement of beating the big clubs, where it all becomes humdrum, not if we win a cup but how many.
Remember how angry you felt after cardiff, wouldnt you rather have that than think "oh well we'll win the next one".

Besides I couldnt afford all the competions as Im sure most other Boro supporters couldnt, then we'll get criticised for not selling our gate, probably by you, because then you`d need something else to winge at

Michael_Knight Posted on 04/09/2008 18:54
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Well sorry borospark but yes i do have a job and a very good one at that and I COULD afford to go to most competitons.

Michael_Knight Posted on 04/09/2008 18:55
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I also think that dave_79 has raised a few good points. Is anyone going to respond to his comments?

sasboro1 Posted on 04/09/2008 18:58
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"Boro are a small club. We are taking on a Goliath everytime we play"

very disappointed in that statement. So that means when boro play wigan, bolton, fulham..etc we are the smaller out of the clubs? In the modern era of global premier league we should be looking to exploit it to try to increase our fan base, home and abroad. Bring in more revenue how ever we can. We have a team of big foreign international stars and should try to use this to make us have a bigger fan base. This small club local support mentality will not help and i guess shows how lamb thinks and the ambition now within the club. It is like they are using it as an excuse for just always being in the bottom half.

boro74 Posted on 04/09/2008 18:59
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Michael Knight is otm. And so is Dave 79.

Sad.

Michael_Knight Posted on 04/09/2008 19:00
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Totally agree with that statement sasboro1 shame the 'ra ra' crew on here dont.

fatsuma Posted on 04/09/2008 19:00
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If only the heirs of the Russian oligarchs and Arabian oil barons could go to their local shop and buy a Nike Boro shirt in preference to a Chelsea or Man U one.......THEN we'd be in with a chance!!

Come on Boro sort if out FFS!!!

dave_79 Posted on 04/09/2008 19:01
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hey borospark if you would rather get beat to a team that is in a lower division to us and outplayed us then who's the bigger fool, yer i was gutted as much as the next person but no way am I settling for that and yes I would like us to say ''oh well will win the next one''

Jonicama Posted on 04/09/2008 19:03
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The issue isn't ambition, we should be striving to be the best we can be. We need ambition in bucketloads.

What I'm trying to do is temper it with some realism.

We're not goig to be a top 4 club in the current environment.

Going back to your original criticism Lamb and Gibson are doing the best they can in the context of the footbal world today and you slagging thme off is B*******.

dave_79 Posted on 04/09/2008 19:04
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agree 100% sasboro1

Michael_Knight Posted on 04/09/2008 19:05
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Jonicama have i slagged Gibson off? NO Lamb YES


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TheSmogMonster Posted on 04/09/2008 19:07
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Truely pathetic thread, nothing but S*** stiring.

navi Posted on 04/09/2008 19:07
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"I also think that dave_79 has raised a few good points. Is anyone going to respond to his comments?"

They just have to be the same person!!

Michael_Knight Posted on 04/09/2008 19:07
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Some how i dont thik so navi i suppose you think sasboro1 is the same person to do you? Just because these people are agreeing with me

NYCsmoggie Posted on 04/09/2008 19:11
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I think it is an absolute, complete disgrace that anyone should undermine what Steve Gibson has done for this club. As with most football fans these days, many of you seem to have short memories. If it was not for Steve Gibson we would not even have a football club, let alone be competing in the worlds elite football league, winning trophies and appearing in European finals.

I would hate to see us sell out to some Russian/ Arab who does not have a clue about the area, fans and history of our club. They would only start interfering in team affairs and tactics anyway.

Gibson and Southgate have stated that they are building for the "long term future as well as the short term" and Southgate has stated that he is aiming to break into the top 4... who lacks ambition now?

So many other clubs have already sold their sole and when the foreign investors become bored and leave them in a financial mess, we will be the ones laughing. The Premiership is turning into a farcical bandwagon and I'm glad Steve Gibson has too much sense to jump on it.

Jonicama Posted on 04/09/2008 19:12
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Steve Gibson and Keith Lamb are always going to say 'we have no intention of selling the club' as no doubt their yearly salaries will be astronomical

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You effectivley accuse them of running the club with the purpose of taking astonomical salaries. That to me is slagging them off. There is plenty of other implied criticism in your posts.


borospark Posted on 04/09/2008 19:12
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dave i dont want want us to get beat by anyone, i couldnt be more happy if we won every cup and i would mortgage the house to be there. the point i was trying to make was the sense of achievement we would have if we did it with the current team rather than some billionaire buying all the best players, which we all know isnt going to happen. I was just trying to put some pespective on it

Michael_Knight Posted on 04/09/2008 19:13
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NYCsmoggie if you read this post again i have not undermine Steve Gibson! Steve Gibson has and is doing a great job but i think we need more.

dave_79 Posted on 04/09/2008 19:20
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Hi NYC, how can southgate come out and say he wants to finish in the top 4 and then lamb comes out and says we are punching way above our weight and he is chief executive. what is Southgate thinking telling people we are aiming for the top 4 and lamb coming out with quotes like this.

Yes agree good to see southgate say he wants to finish top 4.

borospark Posted on 04/09/2008 19:20
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at least this is better than talking about the shower up the road but I`ll have to leave you to it, just remember sometimes the glass is half full.
dont bother biting im off

dave_79 Posted on 04/09/2008 19:23
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hey boro spark now yer talking, i am sick of hearing about bloody newcastle and keegan, they get what they deserve a bunch of jokers always have and always will be.

Michael_Knight Posted on 04/09/2008 19:24
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Good post earlier by the way dave_79. When are Boro going to give us fans a good respectible shirt manufacturer like Adidas or Nike rather than the S***e that we have had to put up with for the last 10 years or so. Errea is P*** poor. No wonder you see kids wearing Liverpool shirts etc.. around Middlesbrough town.

Southgate_Knows Posted on 04/09/2008 19:26
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'Milking the club'? The guy is just an employee; he doesn't have any shares or stake in the club so, unless you are accusing him of criminal activity, 'milking it' is a bit strong. Yes, he'll have a big salary but, for a high powered, high responsibily job, so he should; I'd still be amazed if it is a quater of our top earning players' salaries.

IMHO Lamb has made mistakes as CEO, particularly while adjusting to the hike in finnance around 1995, but his savvy in transfers and contract dealings seems to have rocketed since then.

As for Gibson, I'd say we have the best individual we could have as chairman; can any other club in the country honestly say that? Remember, if you take the money, you risk selling your soul: just look up the A19 for proof.


dave_79 Posted on 04/09/2008 19:32
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I get sick of walking into sports stores and seeing other teams shirts all over the place including our two rivals up the road, just think of the potential there, we should also sell our shirts to provider who have stores on the net. I think boro should try it and give it a go for a few seasons. it would surely increase shirt sales.

bevoboro Posted on 04/09/2008 19:33
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We regularly give the big 4 and cash rich clubs like Tottenham a good going over. We do it in spite of our modest finances, so despite the financial issue, we are proof that you can still compete with them on the pitch.

If you dont like the way we are being run, F*** off 40 miles up the road and support the billionaires plaything up there, money has really turned their fortunes around hasn't it?

NYCsmoggie Posted on 04/09/2008 19:34
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Keith Lamb is probably just managing expectations which is key strategy in any business/ football club. He is putting it into perspective that we will never keep up with the likes of Man U and Chelsea this season and frankly that is a smart thing to do.

However this does not mean that we lack ambition to move forward and compete for a top 4 or top 6 place. Southgate has echoed this for the past 3 months.

Michael_Knight Posted on 04/09/2008 19:36
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No bevoboro because i am a Boro fan and i want to see us competing for the top 4 places.

etxsw Posted on 04/09/2008 21:39
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For me the risk of getting in some rich billionaire is too much.

A decent number of these teams will find themselves in deep financial trouble over the next 10 years I suspect as their owners find new toys to play with or figure out that it's not turning them a profit.

I'm proud that Boro is a local club run and supported by local people. I may be old fashioned but it's what it is about for me.

Esekiel1517 Posted on 04/09/2008 21:42
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Its a rich mans' playground,pure and simple.

Bren_MFC Posted on 04/09/2008 21:52
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If it meant Champions League football and competing at the top year in and year out, the Billionaire, no room for sentiment. If Billionaires started buying more clubs , it would be a case of, if you can't beat them join them.

ExiledInBolton Posted on 04/09/2008 22:09
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There has been some utter S*** written here - probably by the post-1986 brigade.

Let's get a few things straight:

1. If we had a billionaire owner, we would kiss goodbye to the Academy. What's the point in taking a chance on local talent if you can afford to buy in the latest Spanish/Brazilian/Italian fad every year? So no more links with the squad, no more living next door to the next big thing, just remove any link we have with the club.

2.Bilionaire owners care not one jot about supporters. Do you think there would be a supporters poll on naming a stadium/banning smoking/anything else to do with the stadium/club?

3. We are Boro. We've always been a small town club. We've produced some of the greats of modern football and contine to do so. We will not and should not change. Anyone wanting us to be Chelski Mark 3 (Man City being Mark 2) is as deluded as a Geordie and should P*** off up the road to glory hunt with the rest of the desperate clan.

Anyone who agrees with the original post needs to either give themselves a long hard look in the mirror, read some Boro history or P*** off and buy a Man Utd shirt. People like you make me sick.

Top 4? My arse. We haven't been top 4 since the Kaiser was kicking off. Why should things be different now? There's more chance of us doing a Leeds and I'm not willing to risk it. I was there last time it happened and I'll give this warning to the younger brigade. IT'S NOT NICE.

NYCsmoggie Posted on 04/09/2008 22:14
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Great post, I fully concur.

Simmo7484 Posted on 04/09/2008 22:14
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I would hate to see the club to sold to a billionaire just because one day he fancied having a go at this premier league thing he heard about and fancies a play with our football club.

The way football is currently going the premier league is just becoming a billionaires play thing where whoever spends the most money wins, without any consideration for building the foundations of a football club with the fans and local people.

I for one would rather stick with Sir Steve and Lamb in their vision of developing the club with the community, which includes developing local talent.

Bren_MFC Posted on 04/09/2008 22:15
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The game has changed beyond recognition, who knows what the next 10 years will bring with money, outside investment, TV etc., maybe the bubble will burst, who knows, sometimes you have to move with it or get left behind. One thing is for certain, Chairmen come and go, Gibson will not be around for ever.

Simmo7484 Posted on 04/09/2008 22:19
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I for one do not like the way the premier league is developing and i hope our club does not fold and "move with it".I am not alone with that sentiment either. I would rather get left behind than like these play things Chelski's and Man 'Abu Dhabi' City.

outoftowned Posted on 04/09/2008 22:24
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who the fook outside of teesside/north yorks whatever would by a boro shirt?

and why would I be assed anyway .. as long as the kids round here have them

Bren_MFC Posted on 04/09/2008 22:28
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point taken, either a small town club or a global commodity, thats the choice here

Simmo7484 Posted on 04/09/2008 22:30
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thats another load of sh**e been spouted on this thread.

Why the hell would someone suddenly buy a Boro shirt because its made by adidas? Who makes the shirt doesn't effect my decision 1 iota.

As for them being made available in sport shops, hasn't Gibson stated before that we do not allow sport shops to stock our shirts as they will take a % of sales and therefore reduce our margins? Anybody who wants a shirt can order online anyway.

The_Enigma Posted on 04/09/2008 22:35
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Spot on ExiledInBolton

Bren_MFC Posted on 04/09/2008 22:38
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You do a Leeds when you gamble money you don't have

WillMunny Posted on 04/09/2008 22:57
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This whole debate is absurd. To establish the upper ceiling, the richest individual in the world at present is apparently Warren Buffet with an estimated fortune of £30 billion. The family that have just bought City are supposedly worth £555bn combined, Abramovich is worth around £10bn, Mittal at QPR is worth around £20bn. So basically to compete financially with these guys we will firstly need one of the top 20 richest people in the world to decide that they want to buy a Prem club. Then, against all probability and logic, we need that person to decide

WillMunny Posted on 04/09/2008 22:58
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I don't want to buy Man Utd, Arsenal, Liverpool, Spurs, Everton or Newcastle. No sir, Boro is the club for me!

Bren_MFC Posted on 04/09/2008 22:59
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but hypothetically speaking............

ProudToComeFromTeesside Posted on 04/09/2008 23:29
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Good interview with Lamb in the Gazette. We punch above our weight, but if we prostitute ourselves to some billionaire, we risk biting off more than we can chew. As Lamb said, you wonder what these billionaires are hoping to get out of it. I would say it is likely to be any of the following:

1. Use the club as a "toy", while building up their ego, but making a loss on their investment, then throw the toy away when they've grown out of it, saddling MFC with debts that they can't manage.

2. Use the club as an investment, selling it off when it's value and turnover have increased enough, so that they make a profit.

I wouldn't be comfortable with either of those scenarios. Besides, as already pointed out, I doubt we'd be an attractive investment anyway. We don't have the potential of big city clubs whose catchment area is national (Spurs, Villa, Citeh, Newcastle) or of course those whose catchment area is international (Man U, Liverpool and more recently Chelsea and Arsenal).

Outside investment seems to have succeeded at Man U, Chelsea and Villa. With the amounts that these Arabs at Man City have, you wouldn't bet against them succeeding either. However, look at the likes of Liverpool, Newcastle and West Ham, where things have not worked out. Clubs like Pompey and Fulham were bought as millionaire playthings too. Ok, Pompey have done well and won the Cup, but they have to sell before they can spend at the moment. Fulham have not spent that much and besides, have an egotistical prat as owner.

pete14cw Posted on 04/09/2008 23:29
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Keep the club like it is :-D..... I watch the Boro because i love the boro, it wudnt change if they were playing at a lower level and it wudnt change if they were filthy rich (my love for the club that is lol). I just can't believe people are talking about gettin steve gibson out.... thats like.....like blasphamy!!!!

borospark Posted on 04/09/2008 23:48
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The question should be not what the billionaires are putting in but what they leave when they get bored. Chelsea have an interest free loan on paper, can they afford to pay back £300mill. MU once the richest club in the world are all of a sudden landed with an interest bill alone of £80mill/year. Arsenal still havent paid for their stadium and liverpool have some dodgy deal as well. Ashley bought the clowns then realised he had a £120mill debt to pay off, who knows what the deal with mancity is. It all looks good while it lasts but I wouldnt want to be there when the bubble bursts

WillMunny Posted on 04/09/2008 23:51
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Spot on PTCFT.

mailinator Posted on 04/09/2008 23:58
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Take a fooking good look around at this league we are in, it's full of clubs who have been bought out and they are all in a fooking mess as a result. I'm very proud to consider that the worst thing our club ever does is makes it so that a few people have to queue a bit longer than they;d wished on a weeknight. Look around at the problems going on with West Ham, City, Chelsea, NUFC and Liverpool. See what happens to Man United when Fergie retires.

Money can't buy pride FFS!

The_Lizards_Jumpers Posted on 05/09/2008 09:46
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"Lizard - unfortunately at Man City the arabs are in it for the fun of it, not an investment."

And you know this how ? Because they said so?

Look at the name of their group "Abu Dhabi United Group for Development and Investment" the clue's in the title.

Uncle_harry Posted on 05/09/2008 09:51
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After this weeks assorted fiascos, I would never have believed it possible but I'm even prouder to be a Boro fan than I was

The Boro a a true town club with it's soul & integrity in tact

Up the Boro

captain5 Posted on 05/09/2008 10:05
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We could always get someone with plenty of money AND the ability to get our shirts sold nationwide.

That'll be Mike Ashley then.

The_Lizards_Jumpers Posted on 05/09/2008 10:07
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Good point Captain, I will beam with pride as I see our shirts hung alongside the Donnay polo shirts and Dunlop green flash trainers.

MarlonD Posted on 05/09/2008 10:10
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"After this weeks assorted fiasco's, I would never have believed it possible but I'm even prouder to be a Boro fan than I was

The Boro a a true town club with it's soul & integrity in tact

Up the Boro"

My mindset exactly. Well said.

skiprat Posted on 05/09/2008 10:15
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I find it absolutely incredible that there are adults that can come out with such pathetic and spoilt brat like posts.

You don't want Keith Lamb here because he earns a good wage? WTF? Keith Lamb may well have messed up on occasions but he has made some absolutely brilliant signings for this club over the years which are very much to do with his hard work as anyone else's at the club.

Why is everyone clamouring for this massive investment? With the right playing personnel, Boro can aim for anywhere between 5th and 20th realistically. Is that going to change to the top 4 if we get someone in with a few quid? I doubt very much you'd get any of the World's World Class players leaving the option of London and Manchester and coming to Boro.

Plus, what investor in their right mind would ever come and invest in Boro, unless it was someone that already had an interest in the town and knew the people?

Could they raise ticket prices to raise revenue as other investors have, or would they meet a fan base already shown to be resistant to changes in one of the lowest ticket prices in the division?

Is there a massive opportunity to fill a 50k capacity stadium? Nope.

Could we drag ourselves away from being seen as an unfashionable club to being a World Class "brand" capable of having many fans across the World, China, etc? Nope.

Posters like Michael_Knight and dave_79 need to wake up and realise that there's more to this than money, local pride, a feeling of personal involvement with the club, a man at the helm who also values those points and the local area and what this club means to the town.

Not what wage Keith Lamb is on FFS!

DybuksChampion Posted on 05/09/2008 10:21
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On Radio 5 the other night they were going through this whole subject and could name only two clubs Arsenal and Middlesbrough that they felt did thingfs the right way. Can't remember if it was Pleat or Taylor but one of them said If you are a manager for Middlesbrough under Steve Gibson - you really need to think long and hard about leaving to progress your career because there are very few people like him left in the game.

The_Lizards_Jumpers Posted on 05/09/2008 10:27
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"On Radio 5 the other night they were going through this whole subject and could name only two clubs Arsenal and Middlesbrough that they felt did thingfs the right way"

Surely Bolton as well, as Michbrown maintains that we "can learn a lot of things from Bolton".


MarlonD Posted on 05/09/2008 10:37
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Dybuks, they are right.

McClaren & Robson have both gone downhill career wise since leaving the Boro.

E-PRIME Posted on 05/09/2008 11:17
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I agree with boro74.

It seems to me that both Michael Knight and dave_79 share many of the same qualities as the fmttm character - onthemap.

It also seems very out of character that onthemap has not contributed to this thread, maybe he will in the next couple of minutes.






Link: E-Prime

Holgatewall Posted on 05/09/2008 11:33
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In My opinion the people who invest in Premier clubs are looking for a return on their investment just as they would in any other business venture.

The Arabs, Russians, Yanks, Icelanders or C****ney's are only interested in making more money and don't give a toss about the fans who have supported their club for years.

I'm sure at the moment that Man City fans are on cloud 9 with all the money that has been promised but there will comee a time when these investors will want a return for this Money.

I'd rather a local guy in charge of the club who has an affinity with the area and the supporters than some Johnny come lately who is in it for the short term just to make extra cash.

skiprat Posted on 05/09/2008 11:34
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OTM can be fair in a majority of his assessments, even if people can disagree with what he's aying quite easily, the posts from the start of this thread though are just bewildering.

captain5 Posted on 05/09/2008 11:37
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OTM would have started the thread by telling us what everybody else thinks.

stjohnhickton Posted on 05/09/2008 12:38
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I have supported the boro for over 45 years and really enjoy the banter on this board but having read michael knights post, i just had to register on the board just to let him know what a pratt he is! We ARE a small club and don,t have a bottomless pit to go and buy the worlds best players, which is one of the reasons why it makes me so proud to see my team competing in the best league in the world.How often do you hear supporters from other clubs say they wish they had a chairman like steve gibson? As for keith lamb, although not my favorite person, you cant fault his commitment to MFC and overall i think he has done a decent job over the years. You need a reality check mate, where were we 20 years ago? Think about it and then thank god that these two have been at the helm for most of that time, and enjoy the special moments that we have had over that period with hopefully a lot more to come, CMON BORO!!

theboydom Posted on 05/09/2008 12:42
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i am glad to see that

jono_feds Posted on 05/09/2008 13:01
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The nearest thing we would get to an investor would be in the same way someone has invested in West Ham. BUT... we're not big enough to have someone come in and throw money in it and I'd say there were about 30 clubs that would be more attractive to investors than us. Geographical and size reasons would dictate that.

They are more likely to throw money at a Leeds, Sheff Weds, Wolves or Crystal Palace. QPR are a case in point. A team miles behind us but based in London have been taken over by very rich people.

My opinion is that we should ignore what's happening with other teams and concentrate on what we're good at. Being a small club. We punch far above our weight, have great ambitions but realistic expectations. It's worked pretty well so far!

Looking at those pictures of Jawdees outside Sid James Park on SSN made me think. When have we ever seen crowds outside the Riverside? Oh yeah, queueing for semi-finals and finals and watching our team on an open topped bus bringing the league cup home!

Perspective please!

discodennis Posted on 05/09/2008 13:19
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jono_feds - AGREED

Do we have the money to compete with the richest clubs - No
Do we have the best supported team in the country - No
Are we an attractive takeover target - No
Are we living within the means of the football club - Yes

I love Middlesbrough Football Club and I love Steve Gibson.

And if he says he is happy to finish mid-table every season and be challenging for a cup - I'm happy, because there is not one person out there who could do a better job than him.

ProudToComeFromTeesside Posted on 05/09/2008 13:51
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Gibson is probably just about the best owner in the premiership because of this:

HE KNOWS HOW TO RUN A FOOTBALL CLUB

These billionaire owners are new to running English football clubs. Gibbo after some success in running his own business, served his "apprenticeship" as a director between 1985 and 1993, no doubt watching and learning as he went on. I would guess that amongs other things, he learnt by watching the mistakes of others no doubt.

burydweller Posted on 05/09/2008 14:47
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Are you an idiot? we do well to be a midtable prem team, year in year out. We could be a Bristol city, or a Birmingham, or a .. list is endless, just be thankful for what you have got. Top 4? get a sense of perspective you fool

bear66 Posted on 05/09/2008 14:55
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We could be a :

Nottingham Forest
Birmingham
Bristol City
Coventry
Leeds
QPR
Derby
Luton
Wimbledon
Charlton
Barnsley
or, dare I say it, Sunderland

Amazing top flight era for an unfashionable club

boro74 Posted on 05/09/2008 18:06
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Of those teams only Sunderland and Derby have spent more seasons in the top flight than us. We are a relatively big club.

Michael_Knight Posted on 05/09/2008 19:08
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The reason we are classed as a 'small club' is because we have people running the club with very little ambition. Fact!

Dibzzz Posted on 05/09/2008 19:11
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bear66

Spot on mate!

Michael_Knight Posted on 05/09/2008 19:16
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bear66 You tell me why you think we are classed as a unfasionable club?

The_Enigma Posted on 05/09/2008 19:18
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Michael_Knight

You claim to be a Boro supporter but didn't know that Steve Gibson doesn't take a salary and you acuse him of lacking ambition -you really are a grade a t0sser.

To simply survive in the prem requires ambition, ask Leeds, Sheff W or Coventry supporters. The Boro would be far better off without nobs like you.

Michael_Knight Posted on 05/09/2008 19:22
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Enigma you are the knob. You are obviously happy with middle table dross until the day you die. Get a grip lad.

Michael_Knight Posted on 05/09/2008 19:29
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To come out with claims such as 'To simply survive in the prem requires ambition' just sates how much of a knob you are. I would say the the prem is a S***e league barring the 'top 4' so why should we not be aiming fot the top 4???

Guisborough_Town_Red Posted on 05/09/2008 19:32
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I'm sure we would all LOVE Middlesbrough to have enough money to be challenging for the PL and the CL season in season out. But personally, I would HATE it if we could only do this by selling out to a billionaire foreigner who hasn't a clue about Boro or our pride and passion for the club, and instead fills the squad full of foreign imports, with not ONE of them born even remotely near Teesside. If that happens, we lose our identity and supporting the Boro won't ever feel the same.

Bren_MFC Posted on 05/09/2008 19:35
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In the USA, big money men buy the clubs and then decide to move them to the other side of the country, image if that happened.

Michael_Knight Posted on 05/09/2008 19:36
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I agree Guisborough but as i stated i would like Steve Gibson to be at the club along with a investor putting money into the club to push us to the next level. I again would state that i think my point is very valid!

Guisborough_Town_Red Posted on 05/09/2008 19:41
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M_K - Nice idea, but if an investor effectively bought out Gibson, how could they work alongside together? Surely it won't be SG club anymore and the investor could do what he pleases?

Michael_Knight Posted on 05/09/2008 19:44
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Yes i agree with that theory Guisborough but there WILL be a time when Mr Gibson does decide to sell this football club. Then what do you think will happen?

Guisborough_Town_Red Posted on 05/09/2008 19:49
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Well idealy it should pass onto another local lad done good, possibly even richer too! :-) Although I admit it is more likely to go to a someone outside this area, and sadly not for the mega bucks we've seen on the news recently... This is after all Middlesbrough, not London or Manchester! I expect someone about as rich as Gibbo...but ya just never know.

dave_79 Posted on 05/09/2008 20:06
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hey skiprat having read your comments and i appreciate your opinion. All I can say is thank god I don't have your negative ambitions for our football club.

Why should we not be looking at challaging the top 4 with slight investment as I think the premier league is a S***e league.

The_Enigma Posted on 05/09/2008 20:40
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Michael_Knight / dave_79

So you think the prem league is S***! I suggest you go and support the team up the road as you are both(?) obviously deluded.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 05/09/2008 20:50
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I agree about it being a poor league, but only because of the massive gulf between the clubs with the wealth at the top and those where we are.

The top 3 or 4 in England are among the Europe's elite. The rest of us are light years away.

Michael_Knight Posted on 05/09/2008 20:57
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Exactly Corcaigh. Enigma obviously hasent got a clue!

dave_79 Posted on 05/09/2008 21:18
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hey enigma so you are saying:

hull
stoke
fulham
sunderland
newcastle
blackburn
everton
portsmouth
west ham
bolton
wigan
wba

until the other day man city would have been on this list

aston villa, tottenham yer these have money but do feck all with.

If people are trying to tell me that this league is the best in the world and we struggle to compete, then all I can say is look at them teams and try and tell me, we cannot finish higher than that bunch of S***e. punching above our weight my arse, we should easily be better than half them teams, seen as we have been in the premier league now 12-13 seasons in a row.

Michael_Knight Posted on 05/09/2008 21:22
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Spot on Dave_79 some of the muppets on here need to wake up and smell the coffee instead of being brainwashed by the usual S***e that comes out of Keith Lamb.

dave_79 Posted on 05/09/2008 21:23
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agree 100% m_k

redwurzel Posted on 05/09/2008 22:59
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Money is being spent at present on improving the long term financial base of the club with 5* hotel and International golf course.

No football club from a (current) town in this country has averaged 30k attendances in modern times over a significant period, so we have to build the best academy and non footablling revenue sources to compete witgh the big city clubs. This seems common sense to me not lack of ambition

The_Enigma Posted on 05/09/2008 23:13
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Michael_Knight / dave_79 / onthemap

All talk the same shyte. Strange isn't it?

Michael_Knight Posted on 06/09/2008 05:45
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And whats all this B******* about our 'youth academy' we produce 3 or 4 good players once in a blue moon like a lot of other clubs do. A lot of our academy players dont make the grade such as players in the past like Andy Campbell, Anthony Ormerod, Robbie Stockdale etc.... where are they now??? Lee 'Clattermole' will be another to that list in a 2-3 years time probably playing for Darlington.

Johnny-B-Goode Posted on 06/09/2008 06:14
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All those players (and a lot more) have made money after comparatively very little outlay

If you all slow down a bit and have a look at the Premiership, how many clubs have benefitted thro' foreign investors ?
I would suggest that only Chelsea ,so far, have made an impact with their Russian roubles.

Man Utd wewe always up there before the Glaziers got involved.

Liverpool are in dispute withtheir Yanks and have had no impact since the arrival of the mighty dollar.

Where are the rest of the foreign financed clubs ?

West Ham...Villa...and don't get me started on the Cartoon Army up the road.They are a prime example of why we should resist the big bucks investors.

We are doing well BECAUSE OF Gibson and Lamb and not despite them and some of you posters would do well to learn that.

Boro are still our team and not the plaything of some faceless billionaire and thats the way I want it to stay cos I love 'em.

billywoofslovechild Posted on 06/09/2008 08:52
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I for one cannot believe the C**p written on here. 22 years ago we nearly died as a club, and if it was not for the names in the title of the thread we would have done. We have an academy that many envy, we have been to many a cup final and finally won a major trophy, travelled for two years around Europe beating the likes of lazio, steua and Roma and still we moan.Were would we rather be, Riverside stadium watching premiership football week in week out or having to go to Newport County in the P***y rain. proud to support the Boro, proud of what we have achieved and would not trade places with any of the likes of Chelsea, Man city, villa etc.





dave_79 Posted on 06/09/2008 14:19
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Billywoofslovechild and all you other ra-ra's.

I am not doubting how brilliant it is that we are still alive and we are a small club, we have been punching above our weight and we are a david in the world of go Goliath's.

What I am saying is why do we have to be any of the above, why not try and change this approach and have a proper go at it, this league, like I said earlier is a S*** league. In my earlier post I named 13 teams who boro should quiet easily be competing with and in all honesty be far and away beyond some of them clubs for the amount of time we have been in the premier league, and no way should we be punching above our weight with them teams. We should Get rid of errea and get in a decent make of shirt try and boost shirts sales, get some extra investment along side gibbo ( who I have not slated as some of you think ), get that extra couple of players in thats going to boost the gates reciepts.

We all laugh at whats happening up the road and yes it is funny to see but why do you think they are going on like that because they have the ambition to think they are a big club. If you go back 20 years newcastle were getting around the 20,000 - 25,000 crowd mark and until john hall ploughed money into the club and improved the stadium got the players in, improved the shirts sales that things started to happen for them.

I have slated southgate ( yes I admit as many of you have ) but its great to hear him come out and say we are aiming for the top 4, just a shame after the great start we have had to hear once again Kieth Lamb come out and take the shine off things.

So all I am saying is ''the last 20 years have been great but time to move on and start planning for the next twenty years and not get left behind''.

captain5 Posted on 06/09/2008 14:38
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It's like the worst repeats compilation of board bollox.

Senor_Chester Posted on 06/09/2008 15:16
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The trouble is though with the way we are going in the lower half of the table is that one season we will eventually end up going down. Look at Charlton, Southampton etc we'll end up like that one day and quickly forgotten.

Enjoy the PL while it lasts but I'm sure we'd all still enjoy trips to Doncaster and the rest (not being sarcastic either).

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 06/09/2008 15:21
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'We should Get rid of errea and get in a decent make of shirt try and boost shirts sales'

You fecking revolutionary! That's a bit of an extreme call isn't it?

We use Errea because they give us the most money. Only a fool would argue otherwise. Do you think people round the world will be Boro shirts if we switch to Adidas?

dave_79 Posted on 06/09/2008 15:32
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we would sell more shirts FACT. how many people do you no that buy other teams shirts because of how it looks and don't even say to me that thats not the case. why do you see all the kids and blokes who play footie wearing top shirts, don't see many boro tops getting showed off do you.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 06/09/2008 15:34
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I don't know any. How come St.Lukes patients have internet access anyway?

dave_79 Posted on 06/09/2008 15:34
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Senor_chester totally agree with your comment, you can see it a mile off, shame most of the people on here don't and you are right I would enjoy a trip to doncaster but would much prefare going to old trafford, emirates etc.

Michael_Knight Posted on 06/09/2008 15:51
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dave_79 and senor_chester you along with me are both spot on. We are not on the ra ra band wagon like most of the muppets on here. People on here are living in the past with what Steve Gibson has done for us and yes he has done a fantastic job but come on you mupptes lets move with the times and look to the future and in order to do that we need significant finanical backing!

emerson_ave Posted on 06/09/2008 15:55
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Historical correction. It wasn't the Kaiser kicking off when we last made the top 4. See below.


Link: Adolf

Senor_Chester Posted on 06/09/2008 16:02
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I don't think at the minute though we should sell out to a foreign investor.

Michael_Knight Posted on 06/09/2008 16:11
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Im a massive Boro fan and i wont buy a Boro shirt because every year they are S***e. If they were made by Adidas or Nike then i would buy one and im sure thousands of Boro fans in Middlesbrough would buy them. Instead you see kids wearing Liverpool and Chelsea shirts when they are walking around Middlesbrough centre. Not nessaserily because they are Liverpool and Chelsea fans because they see the make and want one!

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 06/09/2008 16:16
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How old are you 'three'?

ProudToComeFromTeesside Posted on 06/09/2008 16:24
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Other than a few dodgy designs over the years, I've never noticed a problem with Errea's Boro shirts. As most people buy a footy shirt because it's their team, I don't think it would make much difference if we used Adidas or Nike. The difference in quality, if there is any, certainly isn't noticeable to me. To be honest, seeing some of Nike's designs over the years, I've not been that fussed on them.

Another thing, Nike and Adidas probably use far east sweat-shops, unlike Errea who make theirs in Italy.

To sum up:

Can't see there being an improvement in quality if we used Nike etc.

In my opinion, I doubt there'd be a signifnicant increase in sales.

The club make more money with the Errea deal. Any increase ins number of shirts being sold would be more than offset by us getting a reduced cut of the revenue.

From a moral point of view, it's better to stick with Errea - ie the shirts aren't being made by 12 year olds in the Far East.

Shirt manufacturer is a very minor issue. Certainly not one to judge MFC by.


Michael_Knight Posted on 06/09/2008 16:25
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How old are you Cor gay_the_pussy? just because i love my club and want us to be a force in the premier league rather than being some 'small club' (as stated by our chief executive)

ProudToComeFromTeesside Posted on 06/09/2008 16:27
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Michael, you show you can have a reasoned debate, but then spoil it by getting abusive to one of the board's more established posters.

Edit: Just seen Corky's post. Owwy fellas, this is a good thread. No need to spoil it with childish insults.

dave_79 Posted on 06/09/2008 16:28
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hey corcaigh_the_cat, can you not have a discussion without saying things like ''how old are you three'' and you must be from st lukes'' it just goes to show how small minded you are.

Michael_Knight Posted on 06/09/2008 16:32
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'getting abusive to one of the board's more established posters' i could not give a monkeys who this muppet is as he is clearly a 'ra ra' and i dont like 'ra ra' boys.

ProudToComeFromTeesside Posted on 06/09/2008 16:33
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Well some of us don't like boo-boys either!

dave_79 Posted on 06/09/2008 16:39
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out of the 19 games we play at home P_T_C_F_T over the last 3 years 5 years have you had value for money, if you have all I can say is your easily satisfied.

the majority of them games people have come away dissapointed.

ProudToComeFromTeesside Posted on 06/09/2008 16:48
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I'm not saying I'm satisfied, Dave. As I've said previously on here, if we try to mix it with the big boys by having a billionaire taking over (which I doubt will happen):

1. We may no longer recognise the club as our own.
2. We may end up biting off more than we can chew and things could go wrong.

To be honest, a trophy and two seasons in Europe including a UEFA cup final and two of the greatest matches I've ever been to isn't a bad return over the last 5 years. We're trying to build summat at the moment. I'm quietly confident that the structure we have in place will enable us to continue to punch above our weight.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 06/09/2008 16:55
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In general, I agree with your sentiments. You are pointing the finger at the wrong people and you're looking for daft solutions to the real problems in football, not just at the Boro.

Whether you like it or not, Boro can't afford to bring in the players required to have a go at winning the league, that's not pessimism, that's reality. To have a go at the chief executive for being honest in his assessment of the situation, and repeating it over and over again makes me think you've got something against Lamb personally.

If you think selling a few more football shirts would ease the problem you've lost track of the economics surrounding football. How many extra shirts would we have to sell to pay an average footballers wage for a week, never mind one that would significantly improve us.

dave_79 Posted on 06/09/2008 17:02
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or come on here is the list of teams again:

hull
stoke
fulham
sunderland
newcastle
blackburn
everton
portsmouth
west ham
bolton
wigan
wba

so p_t_c_f_t please tell me you think we are punching above our weight with these teams, billionnaire or no billionnaire.

we should be miles ahead off some of them teams, come on. boro should be at the level of a villa or even spurs. instead we take on inexperienced managers who have never managed before and waste a S*** load of money on players not good enough. Its time now weather you like it or not, for us to step you a gear and say yes now's the time lets go for it. lets start steam rolling all them teams and start finishing in the top 8 get the club noticed raise the profile, then when gibbo does decide enough is enough some investor will look at the club and think yes its going somewhere and worth investing money in.


Michael_Knight Posted on 06/09/2008 17:05
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If we have a billionaire in charge this will probably happen:

1. A quality team with some top name players.
2. A full stadium every home game.
3. A team that is challenging the top 4.
4. Improvements to the stadium (not by nessaserily increasing the capacity)
5. The middle haven project would probably be complete with pubs and resteraunts near the stadium full of Boro and away fans before match days.
6. A real buzz about the area.
7. When you walk down the town on a week day you will probably see loads of people wearing Boro shirts as it will no doubt be made by Adidas or Nike (instead of people wearing Liverpool or Chelsea shirts)
8. We will have lost our 'small club' stigma as we will be showing true ambition and competing at the highest level.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 06/09/2008 17:10
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If we have a billionaire in charge this will probably happen:

1. A quality team with some top name players.....I agree
2. A full stadium every home game........I disagree
3. A team that is challenging the top 4.......top 6
4. Improvements to the stadium (not by nessaserily increasing the capacity)........I agree, though it's not in a bad state now as far as watching the game go
5. The middle haven project would probably be complete with pubs and resteraunts near the stadium full of Boro and away fans before match days........nothing to do with the football club, sorry.
6. A real buzz about the area.......for how long, 6 months, a season?
7. When you walk down the town on a week day you will probably see loads of people wearing Boro shirts as it will no doubt be made by Adidas or Nike (instead of people wearing Liverpool or Chelsea shirts)....only if the local people adopt a complete lack of taste.
8. We will have lost our 'small club' stigma as we will be showing true ambition and competing at the highest level.....what stigma? Only the insecure find being a smaller club a problem.

Michael_Knight Posted on 06/09/2008 17:13
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'what small club stigma' the stigma that even our chief executive states.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 06/09/2008 17:16
GIBSON AND LAMB

That's a fact. A stigma to you maybe, you sound like you need the security of a big club to follow. Why?

The_Enigma Posted on 06/09/2008 17:16
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If we have a billionaire in charge this will probably happen:

1. Possibly but players would still choose Chelsea or Manu over us.
2. Not necessarily. Look at the ST prices at Chlsea/Man U!
3. But if every prem club or even just most of them had billionaire owner it would be level playing field agian.
4. Improvements to the stadium won't make the team any better.
5. Middle Haven isn't owner the Boro so has nothing to do with the football club.
6. There was a buzz about the area when Rioch was in charge but we were skint then.
7. I don't walk down the town on a week day (I'm working) so I don't give a S*** how many Boro shirts there are or who makes them.
8. I don't regard the 'small club' as a stigma, in fact I'm proud of it. We do compete at the highest level in the best league in the world and made it to a European final to prove it.

Michael_Knight Posted on 06/09/2008 17:23
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When i say by competing at the highest level i mean trying to challenge the top 4. WHY cant this be done? if we had a bit of ambition then we could do it because as i have stated before i think this is a very average league. But with your so called chief executive coming out with comments like 'we are a small club' and 'we are punching above our weight' just has negativity wrote all over it.

heaton_mersey_boro Posted on 06/09/2008 17:25
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The_Enigma

Thanks for typing that, exactly what I was going to post.

Could'nt be arséd due to the excessive stupidity of the original points [:)]

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 06/09/2008 17:26
GIBSON AND LAMB

He's talking facts. You are talking wishes. That's the difference. Some would rather have honesty than bullS***.

dave_79 Posted on 06/09/2008 17:26
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Enigma we do compete, but in my opinion it is not the best league in the world, look at them teams and outside the top 4, which teams should we be scared of and tell me why we are punching above our weight in your mind?

Michael_Knight Posted on 06/09/2008 17:27
GIBSON AND LAMB

Another 'ra ra' to then hey heaton?

heaton_mersey_boro Posted on 06/09/2008 17:29
GIBSON AND LAMB

A realist, fella.

[:)]

The_Enigma Posted on 06/09/2008 17:35
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You see 'negativity' - I see realism.

I see a small club from an industrial area competing with the big city clubs.

I see a chairman, a local lad and a fan, who has the best interests of HIS club at heart.

I see a manager who although not from the area understands the people and the club.

I see an academy which is the envy of the rest of the country.

I see MY club competing in the hardest league in the world and I feel proud of this achievement and feel a true connection to the club.

dave_79 Posted on 06/09/2008 17:37
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I am still waiting for one of you ra ra's to tell why we are punching above our weight against any of the following teams?

hull
stoke
fulham
sunderland
newcastle
blackburn
everton
portsmouth
west ham
bolton
wigan
wba

and Keith lamb for that matter?

Michael_Knight Posted on 06/09/2008 17:37
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The reason we are a 'small club' is because you have got Keith Lamb coming out with stupid comments like we are a 'community' club i mean what the F***? Guisborough town are a community club for F***s sake. We are an established premier league team for over 10 years which should be looking to promote ourselves globally. NOT just within the community of Middlesbrough!

MilesBacon Posted on 06/09/2008 17:37
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If we end up as the only non-foreign owned club in the Prem then I would still want us to hold out.

Foreign investors care only about the global TV audience, they don't care about the local supporters.

If we are to be the last outpost against that then nothing would make me prouder! I wouldn't swap what we have for Man City's situation

Michael_Knight Posted on 06/09/2008 17:40
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MilesBacon if we end up the only non-foreign owned club in the prem then we will get relegated.

MilesBacon Posted on 06/09/2008 17:46
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"if we end up the only non-foreign owned club in the prem then we will get relegated"

Not if we have the best run academy, best investment in future young English players, only club not totally reliant on foreign mercenaries

We could be the future of the England Team at this rate!

heaton_mersey_boro Posted on 06/09/2008 17:47
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"I am still waiting for one of you ra ra's to tell why we are punching above our weight against any of the following teams?"

You don't know what the saying means do you? Go on admit it.....

And why would we be punching above our weight v. Keith Lamb. Odd statement.

Holgateoldskool Posted on 06/09/2008 17:48
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Mr Knight, the fact of the matter is it is highly unlikely we'll ever challenge the top four.We haven't the financial muscle, we haven't the fanbase size necessary so what we have now is as good as it will get.

Those who would have a sellout to a billionaire? Never happen.Whilst I've never been a big fan of Lamb he tends to get into trouble by speaking in facts - not too bad a thing in these days of spin.

So I really can't see the point of continuing a thread where we all know that the outcome will be no change.

My beef is that we didn't kick on after Eindhoven - that set us back forever (some disagree) so "mid-table mediocrity" plus the occasional cuprun will be the staple diet I'm afraid.

Michael_Knight Posted on 06/09/2008 17:51
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Yes and if thats all we have MilesBacon then we will be in the bottom 6.

dave_79 Posted on 06/09/2008 17:52
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heaton to put it in plain english so you understand - can you honestly tell me that any of the below teams are better than boro and explain why we are punching above our weight against these teams - I would also ask keith lamb the same question if I saw him?

hull
stoke
fulham
sunderland
newcastle
blackburn
everton
portsmouth
west ham
bolton
wigan
wba


Michael_Knight Posted on 06/09/2008 17:53
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So who is at fault that we didnt kick on from Eindhoven then Holgate?? i tell you who Steve Gibson thats who!

br14 Posted on 06/09/2008 17:54
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Michael Knight - sorry but you have to look at the future.

You really think the Premier League is about presenting the best football. Is it shyte.

The Premier League is a vehicle for super rich folks to have a bit of entertainment, while creating content for an ever increasing media market. It has nothing whatsover to do with football.

Do you really think the Glazers and Randy Lerner are just generous business men who gone all Anglo?

My guess is they plan to create a European league structure or similar with no relegation or promotion along the lines of the NFL/NBA etc. Either that or they'll attempt to generate a market for the even more rich to buy their clubs at a vast profit.

In the midst of this lust for greed is Gibson and Lamb. Two men who were largely responsible for rescuing the club from bankruptcy a couple of decades ago, and who clearly have the clubs best interest at heart.

The club is carefully managed as a loss making venture linked to Bulkhaul. Therefore allowing the support of a community institution (Boro) as a tax planning tool for Gibsons company.

Mr Gibson doesn't make any money out of Boro - how the hell could he it's not even his - and he's invested millions of Bulkhauls money in the club.

You don't have to agree with Lamb and Gibson; you don't even have to like them; but you have to respect their intentions. I have absolutely no doubt that both men are proud Boro fans and want the best for the club.

Truth is the Premier League is such a fiasco, and the stakes so high, that the football and competition in the Championship is far more interesting.

Within the next 10 years I imagine Boro and a number of other Premier League sides will be playing in a restructured 4 league system; with the so called big clubs playing in a new "super" league designed mainly to provide content to meet burgeoning consumer media demand.

The_Enigma Posted on 06/09/2008 17:54
GIBSON AND LAMB

dave_79

Is 79 your IQ?


Holgateoldskool Posted on 06/09/2008 17:57
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I agree with that - but it's over 2 years ago now - and i'm looking at today and into the future.One that is limited because of the factors I've cited.

Gibbo might -just might- one day admit that to being his biggest regret(mistake ?)

Michael_Knight Posted on 06/09/2008 18:00
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So you know that Steve Gibson is not earning money from Middlesbrough Football Club for a fact do you? my argument to that would be: Yes Steve Gibson probably did plow alot of Bulkhall's money into Boro back in the 80's to save the club but now Middlesbrough Football Club are a multi million pound company that is in the 'richest league in the world' i would suspect that Mr Gibson is making a tidy salary out of Middlesbrough Football Club to be quite honest with you.

heaton_mersey_boro Posted on 06/09/2008 18:00
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Pompey, West Ham and Newcastle have all sold out to big "foreign" owners (Ashley is a C****ernee, so near enough [;)]). So all have waaaaaaay more dosh than us. Or did.

The rest - we finished above all of them bar Everton (big club, bigger than us, had a very good season), and Blackburn.

Blackburn are a similar size club to us in the most ways, so we should be competing with them.

Punching above our weight refers to the fact we spend a fraction of transfer fees (and have a fraction of the turnover) compared to Man U, Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs, Man City etc and still continually get results against them. But I take it it was simply a typo error on your behalf and you forgot to add them to you selective list?

Tut tut, how careless [:)]

dave_79 Posted on 06/09/2008 18:01
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enigma, hah like it, but yer still have not answered the question, are these teams any better than boro and should we be punching above our weight against these teams?

hull
stoke
fulham
sunderland
newcastle
blackburn
everton
portsmouth
west ham
bolton
wigan
wba

I think the lack of a decent responce suggests I may be right

The_Enigma Posted on 06/09/2008 18:05
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sunderland
newcastle
blackburn
everton
portsmouth
west ham
fulham

Are all clubs who at least our equivalent or larger based fanbase or the amount of money they have available or both.

There are lots of other clubs in lower divisions who are 'larger' than us. So what exactly is your point?

dave_79 Posted on 06/09/2008 18:19
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my point is we should be looking at the future enigma/heaton and not about past years and past teams. we are an established premier league team and have basically done nothing except for finishing 7th one season, and yer heaton, you say it was a tpying error why I did not put man utd, chelsea, arsenal, spurs, liverpool, and now man city for the simple fact we cannot compete with them now, but you also say west ham, newcastle and pompey have money well I say what have they done with it and are they better than boro (no) and we can compete with them with a bit more ambition. as for the rest of the teams in the premier league, I will state again once more no way should we be punching above our weight with them teams.

Michael_Knight Posted on 06/09/2008 18:29
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He was probably going to say (in reference to the comment he made about there are bigger teams than Boro outside of the prem) some S*** like Leeds, Nottingham Forest, Sheffield Wednesday etc.. are all bigger clubs than Boro. They WERE all 'big' clubs back in the day and who have now had there day. Boro havent had there day yet in my opinion and should be showing ambition to HAVE there day! claiming that these sort of clubs are bigger than Boro is absolute S***e. I agree dave_79 we are looking to the future this muppet is living in the past as is Keith Lamb!

The_Enigma Posted on 06/09/2008 18:30
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We ARE looking to the future.

We have a young manager who has shown promise and with the potential to be very very good.

We have a very young, hungry team with local lads who are proud to wear the shirt.

We have one of the best if not the best academy in the country.

And finally but most importantly we have a chairman who knows how to run a football club both financially and on the pitch.

Michael_Knight Posted on 06/09/2008 18:32
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And where is the answer in that to dave_79's question Enigma?? Who are bigger Clubs outside the prem than Boro???

borobadge Posted on 06/09/2008 18:38
michael knight

i can see that becoming mockney rhyming slang.




gibson dont take no salary out of Middlesbrough Football Club...

The_Enigma Posted on 06/09/2008 18:41
GIBSON AND LAMB

Bigger clubs than Boro outside the prem....

Birmingham
Wolves
QPR
Sheff U
Sheff W
Leeds U



Michael_Knight Posted on 06/09/2008 18:45
GIBSON AND LAMB

I rest my case! Enigma you are a absolute knob head. I now know you dont have a clue what you are talking about.

devon_corporate Posted on 06/09/2008 18:48
GIBSON AND LAMB

Michael ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

Michael_Knight Posted on 06/09/2008 18:50
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Devon if you dont like my post (which is currently the best on here) please stop looking at it and do one.

The_Enigma Posted on 06/09/2008 18:50
GIBSON AND LAMB

Thank you for the constructive comment!

I could of course cast doubts about your parentage; lack of intelligence; mental instability and mention that you also fcuk ugly but I will refrain for so doing.

devon_corporate Posted on 06/09/2008 18:50
GIBSON AND LAMB

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

Michael_Knight Posted on 06/09/2008 18:54
GIBSON AND LAMB

I think you will find i am more intelligent than you will ever be. And i would also bet alot of money that im far better looking than you :-)

The_Enigma Posted on 06/09/2008 18:57
GIBSON AND LAMB

If you say so. I bet my dad can fight your dad.

Michael_Knight Posted on 06/09/2008 19:14
GIBSON AND LAMB

I do detect a hint of sarcasm in that comment Enigma but you have lost this battle son. Go and put ur pajamas on and read through your huge collection of back dated Boro programmes that you have safely stored in you loft.

The_Enigma Posted on 06/09/2008 19:44
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Michael_Knight

You are becoming boring, tedious and tiresome now son. I don't wear pj's and a don't have a huge collection of back dated Boro programmes stored in the loft or anywhere else for that matter.

I think I'll ignore you now but feel free to continue to post your inane drivel, no doubt you and your alter egos find it interesting.

While you are no doubt not dumber than an ox you are obviously not any smarter either. Any connection between your reality and the real world is purely coincidental.








Michael_Knight Posted on 06/09/2008 19:48
GIBSON AND LAMB

Good stuff Enigma dont bother posting again to this much debated and best post for sometime.

Michael_Knight Posted on 07/09/2008 18:45
GIBSON AND LAMB

I dont rate Yakubu but i cant fault him on his opinion.


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Tibetan Posted on 07/09/2008 20:05
GIBSON AND LAMB

Michael, how much do you think it would take to have us challenge for the top 4?

Michael_Knight Posted on 07/09/2008 20:27
GIBSON AND LAMB

Roughly 100m and to a serious investor that is nothing. To Steve Gibson however it is impossible.

Michael_Knight Posted on 08/09/2008 09:08
GIBSON AND LAMB

I will put an end to this debate. However i will probably re-open this topic in the near future as i will no doubt be correct (which i usually am)

speckyget Posted on 08/09/2008 09:13
GIBSON AND LAMB

Been away and missed this. What a hoot.

Michael_Knight Posted on 08/09/2008 09:15
GIBSON AND LAMB

Feel free to read through the previous 200 comments on this topic speckyget and post your own thoughts on the subject.

speckyget Posted on 08/09/2008 09:19
GIBSON AND LAMB

Ah, but that would be like drawing a moustache on the Mona Lisa (comedy edition).

The_Lizards_Jumpers Posted on 08/09/2008 09:22
GIBSON AND LAMB

It would also be a waste of his energy given that you dismiss everyone who disagrees with you as a "ra-ra".

Nice to see you've proclaimed this post as one of the best on the board too.

Michael_Knight Posted on 08/09/2008 09:30
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Totally correct Lizard. There are alot of people on here with rose tinted glasses on speckyget is probably another one no pun intended :-)

skiprat Posted on 08/09/2008 11:18
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"Roughly 100m and to a serious investor that is nothing"

Someone should tell Newcastle and Spurs that's all you need to spend to get in the top 4.