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wokingmassive Posted on 04/09/2008 09:42
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A soldier home on leave after being injured in Afghanistan was refused a room by a hotel when he showed his military ID card at reception.

Corporal Tomos Stringer, 23, from Gwynedd, was visiting a wounded colleague in Surrey when he was turned away from the Metro Hotel in Woking.

That is a total an utter disgrace. Where's the support for armed forces risking their lives? Shamefull.


wokingmassive Posted on 04/09/2008 09:50
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Mind you - he was Welsh though.

Sleaford Posted on 04/09/2008 09:55
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I've stopped in plenty of hotels without showing my ID, why was he refused a room?

wokingmassive Posted on 04/09/2008 09:56
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He spent the night in his car after being told it was management policy not to accept military personnel.

The hotel has declined to comment on the matter.

Cpl Stringer, of 13 Air Assault Support Regiment, The Royal Logistic Corps, has since returned to Afghanistan but his mother, Gaynor Stringer, said he remains angry at the incident.

He was turned away just for being a soldier - I would be well annoyed as well poor guy.

mailinator Posted on 04/09/2008 09:56
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Because they have a policy that does not allow military personnel.

Maybe they have had problems with squaddies before but while I understand places banning stag dos, it's not as if all soldiers cause trouble, especially on their own.

mailinator Posted on 04/09/2008 09:57
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If we were in the US, there would be people demonstrating outside the hotel now.

slipshod Posted on 04/09/2008 09:58
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Those people from Woking are tossers though.

wokingmassive Posted on 04/09/2008 09:59
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I was born in Acklam - but moved to Woking by accident.

I am going to speak to the local papers and see if they have taken up the story or try and get them to - to name and shame the place.

Revol_Tees Posted on 04/09/2008 10:21
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How did they know he was a soldier? I have no sympathy for 'squaddies' who ponce around in their military gear when not on duty. As far as I'm concerned, he should've used his initiative and informed reception that he was attending a fancy dress party.

ridsdale Posted on 04/09/2008 10:26
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Typical left wing response there Revol.

"ponce around"? Like you do with your "Immigrants in, bombs out" banners?




BLUNT_69 Posted on 04/09/2008 10:27
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well from what I've seen squaddies home on leave can be the biggest arseholes in the world. One guy on his own wouldn't have caused any aggro but its policy.

"If we were in the US, there would be people demonstrating outside the hotel now."

Thank F*** we're not then lol

mailinator Posted on 04/09/2008 10:29
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Well in the US, they don't have to advise their soldiers to avoid wearing their uniform in public so they don't get attacked either. They get told that in our country. It's the same mentality that thinks attacking the fire service or paramedics is fair game. Defend it if you will.

Rodney_Trotter Posted on 04/09/2008 10:30
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Soldiers wear their uniform when not on duty because they are proud to be serving soldiers, and so they should be.

Bukowski Posted on 04/09/2008 10:31
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"How did they know he was a soldier? I have no sympathy for 'squaddies' who ponce around in their military gear when not on duty. As far as I'm concerned, he should've used his initiative and informed reception that he was attending a fancy dress party."


It's already been stated that he showed his military ID for indentification purposes. Hardly "poncing around". Idiot.

wokingmassive Posted on 04/09/2008 10:32
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Rodney_Trotter - good call - well said - totally agree.

We should be showing our thanks and support to our armed services for role they do.

eagle_has-landed Posted on 04/09/2008 10:32
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But blunt I have met assholes from Boro that have caused grief in hotels. Would you have the same view if all smoggies recieved a ban beacause of one or two assholes?

nealg Posted on 04/09/2008 10:32
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Ditto.

Bukowski Posted on 04/09/2008 10:39
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Exactly. It's nothing more than prejudice. In this case prejudging somebody negatively because of his job. Totally unacceptable.

fleabow Posted on 04/09/2008 10:46
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Tommy (1890)



I went into a public-'ouse to get a pint o' beer,
The publican 'e up an' sez, 'We serve no red-coats 'ere.'
The girls be'ind the bar they laughed and giggled fit to die,
I outs into the street again, an' to myself sez I:
Oh, it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' 'Tommy, go away':
But it's 'Thank you, Mister Atkins,' when the band begins to play -
The band begins to play, my boys, the band begins to play,
Oh, it's 'Thank you, Mister Atkins,' when the band begins to play.

I went into a theatre as sober as could be,
They gave a drunk civilian room, but 'adn't none for me;
They sent me to the gallery or round the music-'alls,
But when it comes to fightin', Lord! they'll shove me in the stalls!
For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' 'Tommy, wait outside';
But it's 'Special train for Atkins' when the trooper's on the tide -
The troopship's on the tide, my boys, the troopship's on the tide,
Oh, it's 'Special train for Atkins' when the trooper's on the tide.

Yes, makin' mock o' uniforms that guard you while you sleep
Is cheaper than them uniforms, an' they're starvation cheap;
An' hustlin' drunken soldiers when they're goin' large a bit
Is five times better business than paradin' in full kit.
Then it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' 'Tommy, 'ow's yer soul?'
But it's 'Thin red line of 'eroes' when the drums begin to roll -
The drums begin to roll, my boys, the drums begin to roll,
Oh, it's 'Thin red line of 'eroes when the drums begin to roll.

We aren't no thin red 'eroes, nor we aren't no blackguards too,
But single men in barricks, most remarkable like you;
An' if sometimes our conduck isn't all your fancy paints,
Why, single men in barricks don't grow into plaster saints;
While it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that , an' 'Tommy, fall be'ind,'
But it's 'Please to walk in front, sir,' when there's trouble in the wind -
There's trouble in the wind, my boys, there's trouble in the wind,
Oh, it's 'Please to walk in front, sir,' when there's trouble in the wind.

You talk o' better food for us, an' schools, an' fires, an' all:
We'll wait for extry rations if you treat us rational.
Don't mess about the cook-room slops, but prove it to our face
The Widow's Uniform is not the soldier-man's disgrace.
For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' 'Chuck him out, the brute!'
But it's 'Saviour of 'is country' when the guns begin to shoot;
An' it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' anything you please;
An' Tommy ain't a bloomin' fool - you bet that Tommy sees!






hadawaynshite Posted on 04/09/2008 10:51
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"How did they know he was a soldier? I have no sympathy for 'squaddies' who ponce around in their military gear when not on duty. As far as I'm concerned, he should've used his initiative and informed reception that he was attending a fancy dress party."

What a F***ing arsehole!

The lad was just back from active service he can "ponce" around in whatever he wants.

I served myself, had 18 years in, and find your attitude sickening to be honest. The support the lads are getting from the public in general is shameful these days. If the likes of Revol_Tees could spend a day or two under the combat conditions that lad had been faced with I am sure his attitude to wearing the uniform would change.

Pretend your at a fancy dress party???? F*** me.


bigbob Posted on 04/09/2008 11:36
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Have been reading this board for about 4 years now but have never bothererd to register etc.

But after reading the comment from Revol_Tees, thought had to sign up to let him know that he must be a complete W*****

ridsdale Posted on 04/09/2008 11:39
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If you have been reading the board for four years, you should have known that Bob.

mailinator Posted on 04/09/2008 11:41
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Agreed. I seem to remember him S***-stirring with a big stick when rob had moved his site to block17 and then back over to his other site.

jam69 Posted on 04/09/2008 11:43
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plus if you have had four years to think up a user name then bigbob aint very good is it?

mailinator Posted on 04/09/2008 11:44
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He said he'd been reading without posting, not spending it all thinking up a name!

ridsdale Posted on 04/09/2008 11:45
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jam69 isn't particularly clever though.

Bukowski Posted on 04/09/2008 11:52
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Revol_Tees appears to be one of those Respect Coalition extreme-lefties who see nothing wrong or hypocritical in sympathising with the cause of Islamic fascists. Because most of them are from ethnic minorities, their extremism is apparently ok.

A soldier in Revol_Tees' eyes is somebody who fights for the state he despises. I'm sure he'd prefer it if our troops weren't in Afghanistan and the Taliban and Al Qaieda were allowed to flourish.

Smiggy Posted on 04/09/2008 11:56
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Bet if his MOD90 had shown him to be an officer it would've been a different story!

ridsdale Posted on 04/09/2008 11:59
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I think Revol has his own website if I remember correctly.




This might be it.


Link: Militant Middlesbrough

mailinator Posted on 04/09/2008 12:03
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I like this comment:

"Yet another example of Labour's supine attitude when it comes to big buisness. The question is how are we going to fight back against the closures. What is needed is a militant campaign which seeks to forge links between the postal workers and the local communities, which will involve all sections by organising committees of struggle. Low wages, crap benefits and now even less services. Draw a line in the sand."

Fooking hell, they all sound the same.

ridsdale Posted on 04/09/2008 12:06
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Well let's hope those posties don't mobilise by poncing around in their uniforms whilst off duty.

Buddy Posted on 04/09/2008 12:07
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"The support the lads are getting from the public in general is shameful these days. If the likes of Revol_Tees could spend a day or two under the combat conditions that lad had been faced with I am sure his attitude to wearing the uniform would change."

To be honest I start from the fundamental position of not supporting somebody who sees killing people as a possible career path. And I agree that it's odd that people think it's acceptable for a soldier to ponce around in uniform while not on duty, while a McDonald's employee doing the same would be subject to a fairly high degree of ridicule.

I'm reasonably confident that "the likes of Revol_Tees" wouldn't volunteer for a job that would put them in those type of combat conditions, so the issue wouldn't arise.

ridsdale Posted on 04/09/2008 12:10
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You are another one with a long history of putting down anyone who serves or has served in the armed forces Buddy.




You hate soldiers with a passion of someone whose mam got nailed by one.


hadawaynshite Posted on 04/09/2008 12:10
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Buddy i regard myself as fairly left wing myself, politics should not come into it. During my time there was a couple of events I was not too happy about the ethics of what we were doing, The Falklands and Ulster spring to mind, but that did not stop me doing my job when called upon to the best of my ability. Thats what Revol_Tees should understand, the forces are paid to do a job and we do it very well, fantastic infact when put in comparison with other nations I have worked alongside, but if he has a probem with us being there that should be directed at the government, not the lad on the ground fighting for his country.

The fact he was wanting this hotel room as he was visiting visiting a wounded colleague makes this so much worse. As I have said on here before I have alot of close mates from Teesside and that is because we served together for so long. They are as close as brothers to me, always will be, I even am godfather to a 16 year old mackem but we wont dwell on that:-)

wokingmassive Posted on 04/09/2008 12:11
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I am quite sure that soldiers certainly do not 'ponce' around.

Freedom comes at a price, and our armed forces pay this price, they deserve nothing but the highest respect from the public.

Personally I think that they perform a top job, and I fully respect and support them 100%.

mailinator Posted on 04/09/2008 12:12
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Yes those damn evil soldiers. I read something yesterday about a load of them B******s putting themselves at risk to get a hyrdoelectric generator across Afghanistan to help provide basic facilities for thousands while the Taliban took pot shots at them. Damn those evil murdering squaddies. It's easy to tell them there's no room at the inn when you live in a black and white world.

The_Lizards_Jumpers Posted on 04/09/2008 12:14
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Would you consider a footballer who goes to the shops in his club tracksuit "poncing around" or perhaps a Security Guard who's on his way home "poncing around"?

ridsdale Posted on 04/09/2008 12:14
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So are soldiers considered to be as low in the pond life to MacDonalds workers to you Buddy?


The lowest of the low in my mind are bailiffs and those who work for them.


Utter scum.

mailinator Posted on 04/09/2008 12:16
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I have a real soft spot for those smug coonts as well. Stand back everyone, I'm gonna bloooooooooooooooow.

hadawaynshite Posted on 04/09/2008 12:18
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"To be honest I start from the fundamental position of not supporting somebody who sees killing people as a possible career path"

That is just a simplistic and frankly Naive view of the British Army. I spent well in excess of my 18 years involed in humanitarian aid deployment than I did in combat.

Buddy Posted on 04/09/2008 12:23
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"politics should not come into it"

The problem is that the job you are paid to do is to enforce a political viewpoint. Even in a reasonably clear-cut intervention you're still in the command of a politician of some description - even if all the parties agree, they are coming from a similar political "world view" which is clearly not shared by the "enemy".

It's debatable whether any intervention in Afghanistan is "fighting for your country", because Afghanistan was showing no sign of wanting to land an invasion party at Dover, and the incidence of terrorist attacks since October 2001 has not been noticeably reduced.

"Would you consider a footballer who goes to the shops in his club tracksuit "poncing around" or perhaps a Security Guard who's on his way home "poncing around"?"

Yes and no, in that order. If you'd said the security guard had been home and come out again, then maybe.

ridders - try somebody else old chap, you'll get very little satisfaction here. [:)]

Buddy Posted on 04/09/2008 12:25
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hadaway - say the Government made a decision to not intervene militarily outside the British Isles, simply to defend the country. Do you reckon they would retain the army to do humanitarian work?

ridsdale Posted on 04/09/2008 12:27
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Here is a more up to date link to the militant blog, nice link on the second blog between violence and the army.


Link: According to Lenin.

ridsdale Posted on 04/09/2008 12:28
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I would have thought a bailiff is a pretty political occupation.

hadawaynshite Posted on 04/09/2008 12:30
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Buddy What would have been your standpoint had you not lived in 2008 Teesside but It was September 1939?

As a member of the armed forces you can not pick where or when you are sent, or the ethics of doing so (within the limits of excepted conventions of war) That is not our job, as I said its the job of the politicians directing us. What? We just going to say aye I will do that, I will go there, but sorry, I dont fancy that one? ffs man

mailinator Posted on 04/09/2008 12:30
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Nevertheless, it still doesn't change his point about him spending the majority of his time in the Army doing things that benefited people. You'd also be naive to join up and not know you were going to do that either.

Kilburn Posted on 04/09/2008 12:32
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This is not a left/right issue at all, and as fleabow's post shows that this is far from being a new problem. Indeed, even at the height of WWII there were many 'respectable' establishments at which 'other ranks' were not welcome. I guarantee that it wasn't because they were run by liberal lefties!

British society has moved on a long way since then, but it is a shame that there are still exceptions. Despite the spin that the right-wing press is putting on this story, the hotel didn't ban the guy because they were opposed to the war in Iraq, but because they thought squaddies would lower the tone of the place.


ridsdale Posted on 04/09/2008 12:35
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Had the Germans won, Buddy would have loved spotting these things.


Link: Ich Loco.

hadawaynshite Posted on 04/09/2008 12:36
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"hadaway - say the Government made a decision to not intervene militarily outside the British Isles, simply to defend the country. Do you reckon they would retain the army to do humanitarian work?"

Who else would they send with the training and aptitude to enter some pretty dangerous war torn countries to deliver aid?
I spent 6 years deployed as a UN peacekeeper, what about that aspect of the armed forces?

rivals_oldschool Posted on 04/09/2008 12:47
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So whats your overall point Buddy.
People in career choices you don't approve of shouldn't be allowed hotel rooms?

Buddy Posted on 04/09/2008 12:53
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I have very little idea how I would have acted in the circumstances of 1939 or 1914, but I'm fairly sure I wouldn't have volunteered to fight. Maybe got on with it if conscripted, maybe suggested that my talents might be better used outside the field of conflict.

But nobody is forced to join the army in 2008, so you can't argue that you had no choice. If you felt sufficiently uncomfortable about the idea of being sent into any given situation, you wouldn't join, surely? Even when you're in, presumably you can leave if you decide it's not for you.

I'm surprised that anyone with the express wish to do humanitarian work would join the armed forces in preference to a charity or "NGO". I suppose what I'm getting at is that if you are a "military" the humanitarian stuff is essentially seen as a side effect of the conflict, whereas if UNICEF or whatever had an armed division it would be perhaps a side effect of the humanitarian work.

ridsdale - that was rather my point, that most things are political to some degree. Thank you for reinforcing it.

Buddy Posted on 04/09/2008 12:57
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rivals - I haven't really commented on the hotel room thing at all to be fair - my view on that is that I find it very strange to refuse someone a service on the grounds of their occupation, and I don't agree with it.

My other input on this thread is following on from the "tangents" arising from Revol's post more than the original issue.

rivals_oldschool Posted on 04/09/2008 13:05
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Righto, just thought I'd ask the question on reading your already hostile view of service men.


The_Lizards_Jumpers Posted on 04/09/2008 13:07
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"maybe suggested that my talents might be better used outside the field of conflict. "

You could have used your knowledge of trains and roundabouts, coupled with your music collection to bore the enemy into submission.

Buddy Posted on 04/09/2008 13:23
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"Aaaaaaaarreeeeee you ridsdale in disguise?" [:D]

NedKat Posted on 04/09/2008 13:27
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I have new found disrespect for both Buddy and Revol ..

You two would be the first to hide under the bed, and scream for help, pair of lily livered pinko faggots !!

As for that hotel, they should hang their heads in shame !!!

Hadaway, well said, and respect to you ...

Rodney_Trotter Posted on 04/09/2008 13:30
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If it was someone who was wearing a burkha that was turned away because theye were muslim then the hotel would be being lambasted.


Monkey_Spunk_Moped Posted on 04/09/2008 13:30
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What's a persons profession got to do with buying and paying for a room for the night?

Crazy policy but I suppose it is their hotel and so they can refuse whoever they want.

Buddy Posted on 04/09/2008 13:31
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Hmmmmm. I was just about to award Most Predictable Post Of The Day to Ned with distinction, but Rodders has put in a late entry....

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 04/09/2008 13:32
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'I am going to speak to the local papers and see if they have taken up the story or try and get them to - to name and shame the place'

Have a look at your first thread, wokingmassive. The name of the hotel's already in the press. As should be the reason why they've chosen this policy. They've obviously had a history of lunatics from the amred forces carving the place up. Having lived down that way for a while, and bumped into the numpties more than once, I can well understand what the hotel's doing.


Rodney_Trotter Posted on 04/09/2008 13:34
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Explain the difference between the two then Buddy?

Would they have dared turn him away if he had said he was gay?

Buddy Posted on 04/09/2008 13:36
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As I've already said Rodney, I think it's a daft decision. However, there are laws banning discrimination on the grounds of religion, which I don't believe there are in respect of occupation.

NedKat Posted on 04/09/2008 13:38
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The trouble is Corcaigh, when you've been away from your family getting shot at, living rough, not eating well, the tension tends to build up. A good P***-up, and a bit of a ruccus always lets the head off the steam.

Coming back from submarine patrols where the Russians were all over the bloody place. Living in a space which is illegal under European law to keep a pig, being away from yer family .. they used to have a place called the Hoolie Bar, where submariners could go and have a drink and let some steam off ..

Then again, how would anyone understand if they've never experienced it ?

Buddy Posted on 04/09/2008 13:42
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I have to say you're not helping the moderate non-hooligan wing's argument Nedders.....

ProudToComeFromTeesside Posted on 04/09/2008 13:44
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This is a total disgrace. If it wasn't for our armed forces (albeit 60-odd years ago), hotel owners wouldn't have such freedom. They'd all be made to kick out guests if necessary to make way for members of the Nazi party. The people who do this need to take a long hard look at themselves.

NedKat Posted on 04/09/2008 13:46
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That's because the moderate non-hooligan wing don't have a clue. When you've dodged the Crazy Ivan for days, gone without sleep and food, lived as close to other men as humanly possible without being married to them, then come back and tell me it aint stressful.

sheriff_john_bunnell Posted on 04/09/2008 13:51
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if it wasnt for our armed forces 60 years ago we'd be arguing about a hotel owner not allowing one of our brave nazi stormtroopers a bed for the night, after being injured while gypsy catching in the carpathian mountains.

Pauluka Posted on 04/09/2008 13:51
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Having served on Operations in the Army I find some of the comments on here unreal

Thankfully I had no respect for Buddy and Revol anyway, one being a fooking Trainspotter of all things and the other being a gimp

Should this Country get invaded they would both shyte themselves and hide under a bed somewhere, maybe Buddy would hide under a train and have a vvank over it

ProudToComeFromTeesside Posted on 04/09/2008 13:53
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Er, which one's which Pauluka?

Kilburn Posted on 04/09/2008 14:00
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The real problem behind this is that companies don't have any trust in their employees nowadays.

Instead of letting their staff use their discretion to distinguish between a man who needed a bed for the night and a gang of drunken squaddies looking for a ruck, they have a blanket no military policy.

Get rid of the small-minded middle managers who think up these petty rules and regulations and give a bit more clout to the people who do the work on the ground, and many of these situations would never happen.

wokingmassive Posted on 04/09/2008 14:03
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I think the management are well and truely pig shat stupid - did they not consider that it may cause some bad press?




ProudToComeFromTeesside Posted on 04/09/2008 14:05
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For me though, it shouldn't be about the bad press. The management are scumbags for treating squaddies like this.

red_rebel Posted on 04/09/2008 14:06
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But then there would be nothing for the mob to get their knickers in a twist over Kilburn. And where would we be without an outlet for our righteous anger?

hadawaynshite Posted on 04/09/2008 15:00
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Lets face it the debate runs deeper than the guest policy of one hotel. Lads are coming back being asked not to wear uniform in public.
I know what squaddies on a night out can be like, I was 3 Para ffs! But that said I would have thought an injured soldier visiting another on leave should be treated with a little more respect than some of my former charges on the hoy around Aldershot!

Pauluka what regiment mate?

Pauluka Posted on 04/09/2008 15:07
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Royal Signals although I was with 216 Para Signals for 3 years

Kilburn Posted on 04/09/2008 15:16
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That's the thing though hadawaynS***e. This story is completely and utterly unrelated to the things that have been going on about soldiers being advised not to wear uniform in public and being given grief by members of the public.

That story is about people who are against the war in Iraq (wrongly) taking their anger out on servicemen.

This story is about a hotel chain who don't want military guests because they think they will get drunk and cause trouble.


It is just our sh1tty gutter-press who are trying to make out there is a connection to sell newspapers.

hadawaynshite Posted on 04/09/2008 15:24
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216 Para Signals bloody hell your older than me :-)

BoroGrecian Posted on 04/09/2008 15:40
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actually what the hell does it matter wether or not he is a serviceman.

Someone visiting a friend in the area was turned away from a hotel without good reason, it does not matter if he was a serviceman or not. It would not have made the news if it had have been anyone else.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 04/09/2008 15:44
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'The trouble is Corcaigh, when you've been away from your family getting shot at, living rough, not eating well, the tension tends to build up. A good P***-up, and a bit of a ruccus always lets the head off the steam.'

The blokes I'm talking about seemed to spend most of their lives in the Sandhurst area, they weren't seeing much action abroad at all.

How many times did you come under fire from the Russians?

hadawaynshite Posted on 04/09/2008 15:45
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If he was turned away for being black, or disabled it would.

NedKat Posted on 04/09/2008 15:52
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Under fire from the Russians ?

Depends on whether you consider the tactics they used as being "under fire" .. But, I have been "under fire" from a bunch of ferocious Gatamalans who were extremely P***ed off when we stopped them invading British Honduras.

As I said, if you haven't done it, it's difficult for you to comment ..

scobba Posted on 04/09/2008 15:53
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any serving squaddies post on here

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 04/09/2008 15:54
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Very difficult, you're correct.

I imagine there are those that handle it well, the others give the rest a bad name.

hadawaynshite Posted on 04/09/2008 15:55
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I would stick up for you at this point Ned but seeing your a matlot I just cant bring myself to do it :-)

NedKat Posted on 04/09/2008 15:56
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Why you ..... !! I oughttta !!!


NedKat Posted on 04/09/2008 15:59
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Show some respect to the SENIOR SERVICE !!

[:D]

Sleaford Posted on 04/09/2008 16:01
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Senior Citizens Service more like[:O]

I'm currently serving but not a Pongo or a Matelot.

hadawaynshite Posted on 04/09/2008 16:02
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They still sell them tabs like?

To be fair you were not bad lads for a water based taxi service.

Your Joey mates are tossers though :-)

NedKat Posted on 04/09/2008 16:08
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I think the RN tabs have gone into the bad habit that'll kill yer bucket.

20 years in, and never met a Para I couldn't drink under the table of his choice !

hadawaynshite Posted on 04/09/2008 16:11
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When we got you at the Riverside?
Your On!

Sleaford Posted on 04/09/2008 16:12
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You'll have to go to Florida first mate.

hadawaynshite Posted on 04/09/2008 16:14
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Hes had a lucky escape then :-)

Critical_Bill Posted on 04/09/2008 16:15
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"But, I have been "under fire" from a bunch of ferocious Gatamalans who were extremely P***ed off when we stopped them invading British Honduras"

What were they doing? Skimming stones at your periscope?

Sleaford Posted on 04/09/2008 16:18
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No, they had coconuts.

NedKat Posted on 04/09/2008 16:23
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Saturday 29th November 2008
Barclays Premier League Bet
Middlesbrough v Newcastle 15.00

I'm coming home for that match !!!


No Silly Billy, they weren't skimming stones at my periscope .. I was a member of the IS Platoon back then, and we were first on scene with the Irish Rangers setting up a base in the jungle. I ended up keeping look out post on the Honduras/Guatamalan border. That's where I was fired on ..

Lefty Posted on 04/09/2008 16:23
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Last season, when we let any squaddies in for free if they were in uniform, I was as proud of my football club as I was in Cardiff.

If they had extended that courtesy to Tony Blair, Geoff Hoon and the powers that be who have disgracefully used those soldiers for their own squalid ends, I would have been ashamed.

That said, I know people in Richmond who are sick to the back teeth of squaddies because they are 'forever causing trouble'. I can understand an establishment introducing a policy banning squaddies if trouble tends to follow them around. It's a bit like Rob asking Bliss to take a break from posting on here for a while.

However - Kilburn hits the nail on the head here - the manager should have used some discretion.

As for Revol and Buddy's comments, I don't see anything wrong with Buddy's posts, but I think Revol must be having a bad day. Not like him at all, if he was being serious.


hadawaynshite Posted on 04/09/2008 16:55
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"Last season, when we let any squaddies in for free if they were in uniform"
Did not know that Lefty, Well done Boro FC.

Ned you had better get some practice in then.

Always stop over at my mates in Inglby Barwick as we have a night out in Boro after the game. His wife hates it :-)

toughguy Posted on 04/09/2008 16:58
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Hadaway... I was 3Para, left in 94.

hadawaynshite Posted on 04/09/2008 17:02
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I will know you then I was 79-97 :-)

Csgt Richardson

ridsdale Posted on 04/09/2008 17:03
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How come all you soldiers claim to be ex-para's?


Be honest, you were in the 14th Green Howards.

hadawaynshite Posted on 04/09/2008 17:05
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"Be honest, you were in the 14th Green Howards"

:-)

All guards in 3rd Battalion mate

toughguy Posted on 04/09/2008 17:08
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Close... I was in the Green Howards cadets!
I was 1Para originally. I joined 3Para for the palace tour, machine guns then ended up in C Coy.

hadawaynshite Posted on 04/09/2008 17:20
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B Coy, you from Boro Tough?

toughguy Posted on 04/09/2008 17:21
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Living in Saltburn at the moment.

Revol_Tees Posted on 04/09/2008 19:04
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Great stuff.

There's a proper argument to be had about the extent to which soldiers are workers in uniform or lackeys of the state, but for once I couldn't be arsed with mature debate so I thought I'd just wind up the easily-riled bonehead fraternity instead. Not my usual style but it was worth it alone for the suggestion that I should "spend a day or two under the combat conditions". [:D] Don't worry, we'll all get our chance when the revolution comes, only we won't be doing for Queen and country.

Incidentally, on the issue at stake, I think turning soliders away from hotels is ridiculous and discriminatory, uniform or not.

lefty: you surprise me. Do you think Bill Hicks was being serious?


Link: You never see my attitude in the press

ridsdale Posted on 04/09/2008 19:05
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Oh how clever.

Let's kill all muslims.


Only joking.....

NedKat Posted on 04/09/2008 19:10
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Please excuse me for having an opinion, but as far as I can see, there's only one easily-riled bonehead around these parts, and it isn't me ...

I believe he said something along the lines of, "I have no sympathy for 'squaddies' who ponce around in their military gear when not on duty" ...

TheSmogMonster Posted on 04/09/2008 19:11
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I think kilburn has nailed this for me, its nothing more then a staff member afraid to loose his job because a manager won't let them think for themselves.

Revol_Tees Posted on 04/09/2008 19:12
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ridsdale: 1 minute, eh? That's quite bad by your standards.


ridsdale Posted on 04/09/2008 19:14
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I thought it was quite good actually.

WALTER_KOVACS Posted on 04/09/2008 19:15
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FatKat you definitely are a bonehead if not simply for trying to imitate LIDDLE_TOWERS.

NedKat Posted on 04/09/2008 19:16
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WALTER NOKNACKS

I AM GOING TO FOOKIN'

BEAT THE LIVING

SHYTE OUT OF

YOU !!

LT

ridsdale Posted on 04/09/2008 19:20
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Walter = K.B.B.

WALTER_KOVACS Posted on 04/09/2008 19:23
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bacon butties was that lad who used to post as different cities like st. petersburg and ankara, which is why he hated rodney_trotter because he took the P*** out of him when he posted as showman21.

i've been here longer than you ridsdale mate and you're still a boring knobhead.

Revol_Tees Posted on 04/09/2008 19:31
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Nedkat: it was a pre-emptive strike against the macho-patriot bullS*** mentality which usually emerges, i.e. that an offduty soldier in uniform is somehow worthy of some greater level of respect than your average citizen purely by virtue of all the S***e he or she has been through in service of the British state and British imperialism. So yes, despite what I said, it's not quite true that I have no sympathy with people who "ponce about" in military uniforms. They deserve the same fundamental human courtesy and respect as everyone else -- no more, no less -- which is why the hotel were clearly out of order.

NedKat Posted on 04/09/2008 19:34
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So having withdrawn your initial point, would you say that being turned away from a hotel because he is in the Army, falls within your category of deserving the same fundamental human courtesy and respect as everyone else -- no more, no less ?

Revol_Tees Posted on 04/09/2008 19:35
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Yep, see edit above.

WALTER_KOVACS Posted on 04/09/2008 19:37
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are you thick FatKat or can't you read what he's posted?

NedKat Posted on 04/09/2008 19:46
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WALTER NOKNACKS

I AM GOING TO FOOKIN'

BEAT THE LIVING

SHYTE OUT OF

YOU !!

LT

WALTER_KOVACS Posted on 04/09/2008 19:47
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you couldn't beat an egg you fat prick.

wokingmassive Posted on 04/09/2008 19:51
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A hotel has apologised after a soldier was refused a room while he was on leave visiting an injured colleague.

Corporal Tomos Stringer, 23, from Gwynedd, was visiting a wounded friend in Woking, Surrey when he was turned away. He spent the night in his car.

Cpl Stringer, who himself has a broken wrist, was on leave from Afghanistan.

The Metro had experienced problems with soldiers staying there and staff had been asked to be "cautious". But it admitted a "mistake" in this case.

The Armed Forces Minister Bob Ainsworth has written a letter, calling for an explanation.

A Ministry of Defence spokesman said: "We are very surprised that any company would adopt a policy to exclude members of the armed forces who generally enjoy great respect and gratitude for their professionalism, courage and bravery.

"Our service men and women make great sacrifices on behalf of us all, and they deserve our wholehearted support."


Revol_Tees Posted on 04/09/2008 20:28
Thought for the day

Jesus. That's what I'm getting at. You couldn't get a more overtly conservative political view than that MoD statement. It goes beyond paying due respect to ordinary men and women who are doing a job: "Our service men and women make great personal sacrifices on behalf of us all." Er, no they don't. They make great sacrafices on behalf of the British state, which props up a fundamentally oppressive, unequal social order which exploits people just like them. Whether you believe that or not, in a democracy no MoD spokesperson should be able to state the above with a straight face and not expect criticism or ridicule.

A lot of soldiers know that as well as anyone, but unfortunately the temptation to provoke the more extreme adherents of that blind patriotic bullS*** proved too much on this ocassion, and in a moment of weakness I gave in. Obviously it does neither my own beliefs nor the squaddies themselves any justice to say I have "no sympathy" but at least I finally got bigbob posting on the board. Result. I did note the conspicuous lack of mass outrage from bob and co. over nedkat's earlier rampant homophobia but, as I said, we all have moments of weakness so that point seems redundant.

Thank you and good night.

WALTER_KOVACS Posted on 04/09/2008 20:32
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strange that FatKat rolls out homophobic comments given that this navy boy has had more C**** than KFC.

NedKat Posted on 04/09/2008 20:40
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Chicken .. ?

Not keen on KFC chicken, greasy as hell !!

But, I am making a chicken in garlic sauce with bamboo shoots and water chestnuts tonight, you boil on the bellend of the human race !!

Maidenhead-RED Posted on 04/09/2008 20:41
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The Metro in Woking is next door to a really cheesy Nightclub, that is famous for attracting soldiers from nearby Pirbright Barracks, and there is always trouble, perhaps this is related.

Not making excuses like, its still wrong to label all !!

WALTER_KOVACS Posted on 04/09/2008 20:42
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FatKat you're a poor mans LIDDLE_TOWERS.

NedKat Posted on 04/09/2008 20:43
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WALTER NOKNACKS

TAKE YOU DOWN

ANY

TIME OF THE

DAY

I AM GOING TO FOOKIN'

BEAT THE LIVING

SHYTE OUT OF

YOU !!

LT



WALTER_KOVACS Posted on 04/09/2008 20:44
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you're a heart attack waiting to happen

NedKat Posted on 04/09/2008 20:45
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WALTER NOKNACKS

TAKE YOU DOWN

ANY

TIME OF THE

DAY

I AM GOING TO FOOKIN'

BEAT THE LIVING

SHYTE OUT OF

YOU !!

LT


WALTER_KOVACS Posted on 04/09/2008 20:47
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alright then FatKat, when and where?

NedKat Posted on 04/09/2008 20:49
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anywhere you bloody well like, and I'll be there alone ... and unarmed ... you deserve a good hiding, and I'm going to give it too yer .. but don't worry, I'll stop when you beg me, I wont leave you looking like a bloodstain.

name it ?

mailinator Posted on 04/09/2008 20:51
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So basically Revol said that stuff to wind up the people who were going to reply to him? Talk about self-fulfilling prophecy.

Tommy_Trinder Posted on 04/09/2008 21:37
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-O it's all gone quiet over there-

-O it's all gone quiet over there-

-O it's all gone quiet-

-all gone quiet-

-all gone quiet over there-

bum bum!!!