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Monkey_Ball_Knackers Posted on 28/08/2008 00:55
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I told you when Hoyte would be on Teesside before it was confirmed , i also told you Young would Leave , and told you that we had increased our bid a little to try and get Harper but Reading declined and are holding out for more.
So here is part 3 of Straight from the Lambs Mouth.
After a few Barrrs Bar Barrrrrs we have made a solid offer to Heerenveen for Mr Bradley and they are expected to accept this offer before the close of the transfer window.
The figure will be undisclosed and i haven't been told what it is , depending on how events unfold tomorrow he should be traveling to the uk for talks by before the weekend.
The club are worried that other parties may show a late interest as his agent has been touting him about in the last week or so.
Fingers crossed then.

bblf Posted on 28/08/2008 01:11
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Gerrrrin ,love owt like this me..

The_GOAT Posted on 28/08/2008 01:33
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Do you ever worry that you will be revealed as 'the leak' and be shut out from 'the circle'?

silver Posted on 28/08/2008 01:33
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Thanks for the info mate.And yea...your info seems to be very Accurate.But to be honest i dont think hes that good anyways...so it wouldnt phase me even if we didnt sign him.

Bukowski Posted on 28/08/2008 01:43
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I think he'd be perfect for us. A good goalscoring record from midfield, combative, and only 21.

QuahogBoro Posted on 28/08/2008 02:53
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Now this is what make this messageboard worth reading!

Thanks for the info whether it pans out or not

Rio_Verde Posted on 28/08/2008 04:21
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admittedly Bradley looks decent at club level, I watched him against Ajax last year.However, I think anything over and above 3mill for him is silly.

Captain-Black-Eye Posted on 28/08/2008 07:27
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I think the transfer policy this season is paying dividends. Digard and Emnes look class acts - with their best still to come. Jury is obviously still out on Hoyt.
Its good that we didn't pay silly money for Harper - it sends out a message to the rest of the clubs that we are not going to pay over the odds as we have done in the past.
Hope your right about Bradley coming as we will need more strength in depth as the season progresses.

tttsider Posted on 28/08/2008 08:27
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monkey im not so sure about a firm bid but i heard yesterday that we had contacted herenveen about bradley. Also heard that there is another prem club after him aswell but we wont be prepared to enter a bidding war over him. Another thing i heard last night is that we are trying to bring in ian walker on a months loan

brook_green Posted on 28/08/2008 08:38
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now this is why i read this board...rumour, sauce? not bothered
just make it up if you want...keep it coming!!

Adi_Dem Posted on 28/08/2008 08:45
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Bradley has been on the cards ever since we sold Luke Young. I got told that he was sold to fund Hoyte, Bradley and one other midfielder. I don't know enough about Bradley to say whether that is a good thing or a bad thing but Alves loves him.

tttsider Posted on 28/08/2008 08:47
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brook if you care to remember i have very good inside info as i have already proved mate. believe what you want as all the other morons did when i posted that young had left for villa the day before anything came in papers internet sky sports etc and the same night i posted that we would sign hoyte. That my old fruit is real inside info

heaton_mersey_boro Posted on 28/08/2008 08:51
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With just under a week (5 days) to go before the window shuts, would reckon we would have to make a firm bid for us to stand any chance of sorting the transfer out before we run out of time.

Make bid -> haggle with Heerenveen a bit -> talk to player -> agree terms -> register him........if we don't get a move on we will be looking at a 1st Sept 23:57 signing - along with all the panic buys made by Pompey and Sunlun........[:)]

The situation as it stands seems plausible, we've called Heerenveens' bluff since May, have'nt steamed in Sunlun like with an initial OTT bid, and will now try to get him for a reasonable fee........as Heerenveen will lose him for nowt in January (pre contract Bosman).

Fingers crossed.

the_throcking_man Posted on 28/08/2008 08:53
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I heard he will be over to take in the match on Saturday and sign on Monday. Blackburn and Everton are also interested but Boro hope to beat them to it.

tttsider Posted on 28/08/2008 09:06
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Whats this bradley like then? Is he better than digard?

Monkey_Ball_Knackers Posted on 28/08/2008 09:07
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Goat not bothered couldn't get shut out of any circle unless the Lamb says he not coming out to play with his friends anymore [:D].

flar Posted on 28/08/2008 09:08
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A slight fly in the ointment chaps, doesn't he need a work permit?

Jerry_Brown Posted on 28/08/2008 09:10
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I bet MFC never thought of that.

tttsider Posted on 28/08/2008 09:12
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he's a regular for usa isnt he? if so then he will have no problems getting a work permit

flar Posted on 28/08/2008 09:13
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"he's a regular for usa isnt he? if so then he will have no problems getting a work permit"

It takes time though deosnt it, its not like popping to the shops for a can of beans, 20 regal and a work permit!

Dynamo Posted on 28/08/2008 09:17
doesn't he need a work permit?

Jerry_Brown Posted

I bet MFC never thought of that.

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Why? They are usually well up on exactly what work permits players need and are always confident they can get them on appeal when they have been turned down. I've never known them to be wrong yet, so why now?

djlocky9999 Posted on 28/08/2008 09:17
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wasn't the reason that the rochemback deal took so long is that everything was agreed and we were waiting for the work permit until the last day of the window. maybe everything is done except the permit. here's hoping

guisboro Posted on 28/08/2008 09:18
doesn't he need a work permit?

Dynamo, i think Jerry was being sarcastic.

flar Posted on 28/08/2008 09:18
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Dynamo, you should change your name to Dinamite! You are spot on there son! [:)]

TheSmogMonster Posted on 28/08/2008 09:19
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It does mean we can sign him and sort the wp later, it's not like alves where it's go to appeal.


Big_Shot Posted on 28/08/2008 09:20
doesn't he need a work permit?

Fulham signed an American international in January who had never played in Europe with not too many problems.

Boromart Posted on 28/08/2008 09:20
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He will automatically qualify for a work permit, 19 caps all within the last 2 years, it's a simple matter of filling in the paper work, and getting it rubber stamped.

I hope this is true because I like this lad, fits in with our transfer policy.

flar Posted on 28/08/2008 09:21
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but doesnt it have to be done before the end of the transfer window?

brook_green Posted on 28/08/2008 09:21
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tttsider

don't be so touchy!! i mean it. if you have got inside info great but i'd rather read threads like this than some of the other c*** on here. i live in hurworth and have a very good 'source' but he knows who i am on here so i don't say too much but i enjoy reading these threads. btw i do believe your info all i'm saying is i also enjoy all the other stuff..

tttsider Posted on 28/08/2008 09:22
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flar am i wrong in thinking that we could sign him before the deadline and then get permit through after deadline? or do u need the permit in place before the deadline?
If it was certain that he would qualify for a permit then could we not get hte permit after the deadline?

tttsider Posted on 28/08/2008 09:24
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sorry brook

Big_Shot Posted on 28/08/2008 09:26
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I suppose if he qualifies for the permit he qualifies. I doubt there'll be much waiting about for someone to look into it.

flar Posted on 28/08/2008 09:31
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If I remember rightly we lodged Rockemback's application long before the transfer was announced.

Big_Shot Posted on 28/08/2008 09:33
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Wasn't it a week or so. Although that will have been because we knew it was going to be turned down and needed appealling. I guess it might be different if the player ticks all the right boxes.

Adi_Dem Posted on 28/08/2008 09:35
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Work permit applications can be rushed through, they can be made well in advance and in this case he qualifies and so it will be even easier.

That's not the difficult bit - the fee and persuading the player are the tricky ones!!!

flar Posted on 28/08/2008 09:36
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tttsider - Im guessing we woudlnt actually sign him until we knew 100% that he would get the permit? Altho this is Boro [:)]

Big_Shot Posted on 28/08/2008 09:37
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Do they cost much? I guess its possible you can apply for permits for players that might not even end up playing for you.

heaton_mersey_boro Posted on 28/08/2008 09:41
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Think that the club who has his registration has to be the one making the application - so we can't apply for one until he is registered with us.

I think thats how it works.

JLinardi Posted on 28/08/2008 09:46
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Probably depends on how much a club wants the player, im sure with Alves we would have made work permit enquiries long before he actually signed.

flar Posted on 28/08/2008 09:47
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so basically none of us have a FCKING CLUE about how the work permit situation works! LMFAO!

Jerry_Brown Posted on 28/08/2008 09:49
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I think the government department that deals with work permits is based in Sheffield now, and I believe the process doesn't take long at all, a couple of days if there is an appeal to be heard.

Adi_Dem Posted on 28/08/2008 09:53
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I know exactly how it works and it really isn't a big deal.

flar Posted on 28/08/2008 09:54
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No you don't Adi, admit it!

Adi_Dem Posted on 28/08/2008 10:13
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Erm, no because I do.

Boromart Posted on 28/08/2008 10:18
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You can get the work permit, before we sign him, before his registration documents are signed signed to us.

I assume that we could sign him then try and get the permit, but there is a risk his application fails and your left with the registration of a player who you cannot legally employ.

It's no differant to when I worked in the states. The sponsoring company had to get my a work visa before I could sign a contract of employment with them.

Bradshaw Posted on 28/08/2008 10:38
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i've been hoping we'd sign this lad since it was first mentioned towards the end of last season...would love it if we could pull it off...trying not to believe this in case it don't come off, but i hope you're not full of sh*t [:D]

and yes u can sign a player and then sort out the work permit after i think...man u have a player, manucho is it? who they signed last year but wasn't eligible for a WP, so he went out on loan, and they've applied for his work permit again this summer, i think a few clubs have done it haven't they? correct me if im wrong.

borosatsuma Posted on 28/08/2008 10:59
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Not sure if this link has been posted from Yank Soccer with it being 3 days old...

Fingers crossed... Come on Boro!

[:)]


Link: 25/08/08

Liamo Posted on 28/08/2008 11:42
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Info on the UK Borders Agency website (www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk), specifically the requirements of Form WP3: Work Permit Application for Sports and Entertainments - would indicate that you can apply for a work permit either before or after signing a contract with the applicant.

As Boromart rightly points out, if you conclude a contract before acquiring the work permit, there is a risk if the permit does not come through but based on the eligibility requirements stated on the above site, Bradley clearly does qualify for a work permit.

I cannot recall a case where a player meeting the 75% appearance requirement and having all his other documents (passport, evidence of the international appearances etc) in order, has failed to get a permit.

kermit Posted on 28/08/2008 12:31
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Chelsea signed Alex then loaned him to PSV for a few seasons.

Arsenal signed Carlos Vela and loaned him to clubs in Spain for 2 seasons.

Other clubs probably done the same.

UKLL1981 Posted on 28/08/2008 12:46
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I'm pretty sure when we signed Rocky we couldn't get a work permit in time for some reason (missing passport/documentation?)but we got special permission to sign him and it was sorted after the deadline. A work permit has nothing to do with the transfer itself, it's a a goverment requirement to work in this country. I don't really see a reason why a player can't be signed and registered to a team and then a work permit obtained later, it would take a decision by the government and not Fifa or Uefa to block it and lets be honest are they really going to a). P*** a lot of people off and b). deny the national coffers the big wad of tax this player would pay?

Don't forget there are usually dozens of transfers completed on deadline day and it's never an issue plus I don't think Bradley will even have to appeal due to the number of games he's played for the US and their ranking in the world.


God_ Posted on 28/08/2008 12:56
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There's a lad who used to post on here who works in the visa section in sheffield he told us on this board we had applied for a visa for Rocky two weeks before we signed him.

jimborored Posted on 28/08/2008 12:56
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"I've never known them to be wrong yet, so why now?"
They got it wrong on Igor Cvitanovic (sp)

Boromart Posted on 28/08/2008 13:19
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jimbo the club didn't get it wrong, we knew it would need to go to appeal. We thought we would get it, and in retrospect we should have.

Regarding Rochy, IIRC there was a Sheff Wed fan on here that worked in the department that issues WPs, he told us about 2 weeks before we signed him that Boro had applied for a WP and had got it pending Rochy supplying somethign or other, this was before we even finalised the deal with Sporting.

The_same_as_before Posted on 28/08/2008 14:46
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Is M_B_K the ex-scoea? because if he is he has continued to give very good early info.

Could be Bandi.

Bukowski Posted on 28/08/2008 17:32
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Well? Any news on whether Heerenveen have accepted the bid?

tttsider Posted on 28/08/2008 21:35
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we havnt made a bid yet

HelmutSchmutz Posted on 28/08/2008 22:40
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I'd like this bid to come off simply because I think we're short in centre mid if we get a couple of injuries. I've never seen Bradley play so can't really comment but he scored 15+ goals from midfield last season so at least he'll get past the strikers and into the box. Not since Zenden have we had that.

heaton_mersey_boro Posted on 28/08/2008 22:42
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So its definately possible that we have, but definately have not made an offer. Or not. But we may have.

Clear as fooking mud.

[:)]

brad_jones_fan_club Posted on 28/08/2008 22:50
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My contact has told me that we have been looking at players over the last couple of weeks. I do not know who they are but...

One was due to play in the Liverpool v Liege match last week, but dropped out. Maybe it was that serbian striker that came on at the end of the game..

another played in the Plymouth vs Swansea game at the weekend. I looked at the teams and only recognised that dutch player that we were linked with earlier in the summer....

Any ideas who they may be?

Monkey_Ball_Knackers Posted on 28/08/2008 23:20
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The Lambs mouth has not spoken today but i can confirm as i said a undisclosed offer has been made my first post says fingers crossed nothing is certain on this deal.
But surely unless a so called bigger club or a lot higher offer comes in he is our man i should hear some more very late tomorrow night or first thing Saturday morning.
The Lambs mouth starts a wagging after a few bevvies and he is on the ale tomorrow night.

bernies_cigs Posted on 28/08/2008 23:22
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yup, we have deffo made an offer

Bradshaw Posted on 28/08/2008 23:23
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you guys realize, if this turns out to be bullshizzle, you are all officially off my christmas card list.

Monkey_Ball_Knackers Posted on 28/08/2008 23:26
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I am pretty sure that even if we don't get him Gareth will want the fans to know he made an late offer so either way i will be proved right trust me mate i am not bullS***ting i love the Boro as much as any other true fan.
The yank soccer link somebody has posted go's a little way to proving this right something should break about this story in the next 48 hours.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 28/08/2008 23:32
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Is he to replace the soon to be moved out O'Neill(big wages, not enough end product)?


Heine Posted on 28/08/2008 23:33
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must be some truth in it


Link: flight

Adi_Dem Posted on 29/08/2008 08:18
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There was positive movement on this yesterday. Still ongoing but it's a definite maybe!

Sniper Posted on 29/08/2008 08:27
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Hope so, be interesting to see if he's in Heerenveen's squad for their opening game on Sunday

Adi_Dem Posted on 29/08/2008 08:28
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Depends on the progress made in the next two days. We're definitely in there and have been trying to do something ever since Young was sold.

flar Posted on 29/08/2008 08:45
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"Depends on the progress made in the next two days"

NO SHlT

Adi_Dem Posted on 29/08/2008 09:10
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Sorry for stating the obvious!

Bukowski Posted on 29/08/2008 09:20
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what sort of "positive movement" was made yesterday?

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 29/08/2008 09:23
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I can't see the players salary being much of an issue - wasn't that agreed with him earlier in the summer when we first showed interest?

Given that he is in the last year of his contract I think this is very much odds on to happen.


heaton_mersey_boro Posted on 29/08/2008 10:06
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Can terms be agreed with a player prior to a transfer fee being agreed?

I thought the way it worked was that the buying club made an offer, offer was accepted and then permission given to speak to the player? If we have agreed personal terms, but not had a fee accepted or indeed no bid has gone on.........seems a very, very strange situation all round.

Looks like Heerenveen were waiting for a bidding war to commence over Bradley, especially if he starred in the olympics ........which it obviously has'nt, and they are now just trying to get a suitable deal for them or lose him for nowt.

Hopefully we are haggling over the fee / payment structure etc and this can be resolved before Monday 23:59.

Adi_Dem Posted on 29/08/2008 10:18
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Clubs can and do give permission to speak to players in advance of a transfer fee agreement. As long as that permission is given there is no breach of regulations.

chorleyphil Posted on 29/08/2008 10:35
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I'll keep an eye out at Schipol this savvy.

I am looking for a 6'1" small bloke right ?

Will grainy mobile photos be acceptable as FACT on here?

bangkok_smoggie Posted on 29/08/2008 10:38
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Interesting (from that Wiki link) that his scoring record in club football prior to his annus mirabilus last year was 1 in 52 games.

Maybe best not to get too worked up over this guy - a certain Korean springs to mind.

Bukowski Posted on 29/08/2008 10:40
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You could say the same thing about Marvin Emnes whose record was poor until the last few months of last season. Young players mature and improve.

Even Alan Shearer didn't score many when he first broke through at Southampton.

sasboro1 Posted on 29/08/2008 10:41
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how will it work if he is out of contract next summer as he is under 24 and not a eu national, will that mean his club will get compensation if he leaves next summer?

ronron Posted on 29/08/2008 22:36
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check this out...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtE9pz1iius
copy and paste that sucker


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jimmythequiz Posted on 20/01/2009 00:02
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Proof that at least one of your prev 4 is bull