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bringbackredcarpier Posted on 12/08/2008 05:01
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Don't know if his has already been posted but;

SAF is "quoted" as saying that Ben Collett was in the 1992 FA Youth Cup winning team with Beckham, Giggs et al. That would majke him around 8/9 years old!


Link: Child Prodigy

chorleyphil Posted on 12/08/2008 06:19
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Something stinks about all this.

A female judge who appeared star struck. All Utd players defending their own (nowt new there)

Watching the BBC report last night, I was totally flabbergasted at the bias towards the Utd player.

The implecations of this are huge and dangerous.

Sea_Harrier Posted on 12/08/2008 06:55
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The genie is out of the bottle making this now a precedent football. It will not only be professionals who are held to account for injuries to opponents, but it will impinge on the local amateur game too. Sunday league teams will need to be insured, at great additional cost, and this could kill off the amateur game. Competetive games in schools will be affected too.

What I am struggling with, in this case, is the "intent". Was Collett "taken out" like Keane on Alfie Harland, or was it just a badly timed challenge? There is no mention in the press of the circumstances in which he was injured so how "guilty" were Gary Smith and MFC? Was the injury preventable?


Boromart Posted on 12/08/2008 09:11
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after this the insurance companies are certainly gonna hike up the premiums for ALL clubs....which will hurt the smaller clubs more than the bigger ones.

The whol ething smells of 'manure defending their own'. How on earth anyone can say that there is a 60% chance of him 'making it big' is beyond me. It's absolutely unquantifiable.

ridsdale Posted on 12/08/2008 09:14
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Once the lawyers get a grip the game is up.

A very bad judgment for football. I doubt we could afford an appeal.

As has been stated, this will affect sport at all levels.

captain5 Posted on 12/08/2008 09:14
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Well, they seem to have quantified it pretty well.

Buddy Posted on 12/08/2008 09:15
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I'm not sure that there is a legal precedent set for a couple of reasons - first, the judgement was in the High Court which I don't think can set precedents other than on County Courts, and second, the club admitted liability so the only thing being judged was the level of damages.

SalfordJim Posted on 12/08/2008 10:10
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god you oot dont half take a small amount of factual informationa and spin it to the orbit ...

lets look at the facts

your player broke the Uniteds players leg in 2 places..no dispute

your player admitted liablity ...no dispute

your club admitted liabilty ...no dispute

your INSURANCE comapny have been taken to court to pay up ...

all the rest of your ill informed posts are the witterings of idiots

boksic Posted on 12/08/2008 10:16
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I wonder what evidence Fergie and Neville would have given had the lad been injured in a training ground accident by one of his own team mates.

Sleaford Posted on 12/08/2008 10:18
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Quicker than yesterday Jim you odious tvvat, got nothing better to do?

SalfordJim Posted on 12/08/2008 10:19
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probabaly the same ..you see thats why clubs have insurance ..so rather than claim against Boros insurance they would have claimed against their own ....

mailinator Posted on 12/08/2008 10:52
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I'm really glad our cash gets spent on inflated insurance policies in the name of making teenagers who have done nothing the millionaires they deserve to be.

Critical_Bill Posted on 12/08/2008 10:55
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This going to court over injuries sustained isn't a new thing.
I can remember Paul Elliott failing to win damages when Dean saunders 'done' him.

parmoboro Posted on 12/08/2008 11:01
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It's not the facts of the case that shocked people it's the ridiculous amount awarded. Awful for the lad to miss out on a pro career but in reality what were the chances of him becoming a high profile Man Utd, possible International star? Realistically a career in the Championship/lower leagues....maybe?

But over £4m? Even the lad himself looked shocked outside the court. As has already been mentioned there are soldiers returning from Iraq/Afghanistan without limbs who will never be able to work again, or walk again in some cases, who get awarded sums of around 250,000 - 500,000. I thought to myself 'a fractured Fibula and Tibula isn't quite in the same league is it' as I saw the lad walk away from court on TV yesterday.

I'm not for a minute having a go at anyone from the Man Utd side of things, just that bloody stupid judge.

Boromart Posted on 12/08/2008 11:04
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SalfordJim in blindly stands by Manure shock in an arrogant and condescending manner. Can't we have some new characters on this board?

sasboro1 Posted on 12/08/2008 11:05
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£4m isnt that much for a manutd reservist over a career.

it is only 400k per year over 10 years or 260k per year over 15 years. think about other off field deals on top.

Midosparmo Posted on 12/08/2008 11:08
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No doubt his lawyers made a tidy few bob too. They are probably handing out no win, no fee forms to every snotty nose youth in a pro team now!

Nero Posted on 12/08/2008 11:08
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If the tackle ended the lads career, then what was he doing playing football in New Zealand?


TheSmogMonster Posted on 12/08/2008 11:12
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The problem is... it didn't end his career.

We know where the fallout for this is going to be, I've got a mate who was a pro at Liverpool until something similar happened (on the eve of a move to Chelsea) about 6 years ago.

My mate is considering action now.

His injury was far worse then Ben Collett's, he hasn't been able to play football at any level.

Who listens to SalfordJim, according to him Man U's fanbase is entirely local, and they had the least number of penalties in the country last season (haha).

sasboro1 Posted on 12/08/2008 11:14
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But wont it also depend on how good he was before he got injured.

SalfordJim Posted on 12/08/2008 11:15
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did ben collet go on to have a professional football career?...no
is he now involved in proffesional football..no


so for all your pontificating ..the facts are the incident ended his professional playing career...end of ..no ifs no buts ...facts...

parmoboro Posted on 12/08/2008 11:19
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As we'll never know what the lad could have achieved it still can't be taken for granted that he would have been a top pro. This stupid award has been given on what MIGHT have been, not what was definitely going to happen. He may well have ended up playing non league for all we know. Therefore the amount is well over the top. Like most of us he could clearly now work for a living (not that he'll have to bother).

SalfordJim Posted on 12/08/2008 11:27
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again lets take you ill informed rant and put it to one side...

it is true that we dont know how his career may have gone if it wasnt for the accident..however we can make an informed judegement ( as the judge did) by using all avaialble evidence

1) the opinions of SAF..who worked with him for 10yrs
2) the opinion of Gary neville ..who played with him and trained with him
3) the medical and fitnmess reports over 10yrs
4) the judegemtn of the England schoolboys coaches


so as the judge said ..its a 60% chance he would have made it...but ets take your view and lets say he only made a lower league grade....say league 2

4.5m over 15yrs is 300K pa..or alittle over 5.5k per week....the average salary for a league 2 player is more that that...never mind win bonuses, endorsements etc.....

have you subscribed to the new ABU magazine..its free to join to all those supporters who think that their club is uniteds bitter rival ...join the que

Sea_Harrier Posted on 12/08/2008 11:29
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Roy Keane virtually ended Alf Inger Harland's career, but I can't remember him getting "damages" and "loss of earnings" from ManUre. Is it OK for the big clubs to get away with these things and to make examples of the smaller clubs. This was eveident by the FA's decision to "frivolously" ban Aliadiere for 4 games.

sasboro1 Posted on 12/08/2008 11:33
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didnt boro and the player admit liability...why are people constantly ignoring this point!

TheSmogMonster Posted on 12/08/2008 11:36
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Salfordjim I hate to say this but you are a simpleton

"again lets take you ill informed rant and put it to one side..."

Very intelligent debating style - ignore what is said to you because you lack the ability to debate it.

I tell you what Jim, since you want to base you entire arguement on arguements by authority, why don't we only consider the opinions of people who go to matches on this, a football message board?

What?

You live in Manchester but don't go to games?

Jog on fella

Thats been mentioned a fair bit sas, its the level of damages that people have decided is stupid.

I think this is one of those things that could kill the game personally.

parmoboro Posted on 12/08/2008 11:38
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I don't care if Pele, Maradona and Zidane had stood in court and stated their opinions of his prospects. The point is all opinions are subjective (including Gary Neville's!) The idiotic judge has clearly been swayed by the profile of the people speaking for the lad.

SalfordJim Posted on 12/08/2008 11:39
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Jog on ...how very Danny dyer....

as for the ill informed fool who raised the isssue of Keane/Haarland..look back at yesterdays factual account ..and then go away and hide your embarrasment....

Sleaford Posted on 12/08/2008 11:41
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If he was so great why was he only making his first appearance for the reserves at 18?

SalfordJim Posted on 12/08/2008 11:42
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Ok if you aregoing to act simple then I will make this simple for you to understand...

Your player ADMITTED responsibily

Your club ADMITTED responsibily

the INSURANCE company was then taken to court and a judgement was made AGAINST THE INSURANCE COMPANY..

based on earning forula over a potential career..not on PL wages..not on potential endorsments or sponsorship ..but the average of an average players wage..

Sea_Harrier Posted on 12/08/2008 11:42
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Jim,
Ill informed fool eh! That, coming from you, is rich in the extreme.
Now jog on.

Nero Posted on 12/08/2008 11:43
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B*******!

Game, set and match to SalfordJim.

TheSmogMonster Posted on 12/08/2008 11:44
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Whats a Danny Dyer?

But seriously fella, how can you expect anyone to take you seriously when you decend into a caricature of a uber ra ra everytime someone anywhere on fansonline (and previously rivals), mentions anything negative about Man United, to the point where the entire network and in fact your own board considers you a joke?

How can someone be so blindly passionate, to the point of buffoonery, about a team they don't go to see?

SalfordJim Posted on 12/08/2008 11:53
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oh dear...here we have a poster who takes message boards and teh opinion of faceless poster personaly..

for the record, of course I will defend United..especially against posts that are so blindigly stupid and bitter ...having a pop at posts like this isnt a difficult thing ..the response I get is typical of someone who thinks the interent is real ..and like them I should care if insulted....ITS NOT REAL!!!!, I understand that some get a little aggitated when the FACTS are evealed to them and they revert to type...

" yeah but your a wan+er, you a knob..etc etc..."

...I take as much notice of your insults , and ill informed opinions as I would cherish the thoughts of my dog....so fire away Forrest

chorleyphil Posted on 12/08/2008 11:58
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This Jim bloke is just a typical Man U supporter, trust me, I know, there are thousands of them round here.

You cannot have a proper football discussion with them. They are arrogant to the extreme and will alway condesend.

I'd rather talk to the dog.

Sea_Harrier Posted on 12/08/2008 12:00
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"I'd rather talk to the dog."[:D]

Sleaford Posted on 12/08/2008 12:09
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The internet is real Jim.

SalfordJim Posted on 12/08/2008 12:14
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""I'd rather talk to the dog"...original ...didnt I say something similar less than 5 mins earlier.....


honeslty cant you even think of your own satirical reposte

TheSmogMonster Posted on 12/08/2008 12:16
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The internet isn't real... then who the fook are you typing for?

Aside from you utter inability to read, and your utter inability to speak the truth, and you utter inability to hear even the slightest critism of a team you don't watch play without exploding like a child, your inability to realise that you are in fact a real person typing on the internet to other real people really strikes me as your funniest trait.

You keep reacting you know.. is that not real? In fact if you do not believe this is real, your constant trawling of internet message boards is put into an even greater and sadder context.

I apologise in advance if you are a machine designed to pass some kind of turing test!

But even then you'd probably be real on some level - like on a harddisk drive etc.

chorleyphil Posted on 12/08/2008 12:22
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Stop being a fookin dick, I didnt even see your last post.

Point is, this thread has nothing to do with 'who likes MU or not'. YOU mentioned ABU !

The arguement is whether or not the compo was too high.

Surely a thicko like you can see it is, or has the red mist fallen?

SalfordJim Posted on 12/08/2008 12:23
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oh dear....cntext is aword that is alien to you inst it....you say the interenet is real ..do you alos think that the charchters on the TV are real..are they your friends..is the interenet your way of reaching out ..a poster who takes everything posted by people you dont know , will never meet ..as a personal slant...you have my sympathy ..

I keep reacting ..maybe its my S&M side ..I cant help picking on the thick kids...

as for you assumption I dont watch United play..a totaly baseless comment ....but why should I be suprised ..factual inaccuracies are a comon trait of yours...


good Manc connection tot he turing comment...Baby!!

Sea_Harrier Posted on 12/08/2008 12:25
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Calm down Jim. Your blood pressure must be sky high.
Now give me that last post in English please.

SalfordJim Posted on 12/08/2008 12:26
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"The arguement is whether or not the compo was too high.

Surely a thicko like you can see it is, or has the red mist fallen"


coem on then thicko...explain to us all why you think its too high.. I await you considered and informed opinion....reaaly i do ..lets lay all the facts you hae to hand , measure them , analyise them , work out a predetermined formula..and then arrive at a figure your consider to be fair , based on these facts....

or we could just be an ABU and create some non sensical rant

TheSmogMonster Posted on 12/08/2008 12:27
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"oh dear....cntext is aword that is alien to you inst it....you say the interenet is real ..do you alos think that the charchters on the TV are real..are they your friends..is the interenet your way of reaching out ..a poster who takes everything posted by people you dont know , will never meet ..as a personal slant...you have my sympathy ..

I keep reacting ..maybe its my S&M side ..I cant help picking on the thick kids...

as for you assumption I dont watch United play..a totaly baseless comment ....but why should I be suprised ..factual inaccuracies are a comon trait of yours...


good Manc connection tot he turing comment...Baby!!"

Check that out - you can actually see his angry shakes as he types.

I think my work here is done.

The_Lizards_Jumpers Posted on 12/08/2008 12:30
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Do you want fish with your chip?

The_Lizards_Jumpers Posted on 12/08/2008 12:31
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Say it were a Liverpool or Leeds United reservist, would you feel so passionate Jim?

SalfordJim Posted on 12/08/2008 12:34
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there was a recent study by one of the Ivy league colleges ...a great deal of their students were showing sgins of dyslexia ..and grades were falling ( sorry to use Yank terms) the research showed that these students were less likely to be correct with their grammar and spelling then other students...how ever they demonstrated a greater IQ..it was summised that some students brains work faster than their fingers...

SalfordJim Posted on 12/08/2008 12:36
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leeds liverpoo ..who cares ..if a united playwer had hadmitted to causing the damage..and United had admitted the incidetn..then let the victim take the INSURANCE COMPANY to court ....why should it concern me

chorleyphil Posted on 12/08/2008 12:47
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He broke his leg. It shouldnt be a prerequisite to be a millionaire. OK, his football career was finished, but we move on in life. May I suggest 500,000 would have sounded more correct?

What the high court proceding omitted was the fact that loads of kids don't make it at United.

Did he ever play for the first team at all?

BTW Every player or club would have to admit to cause, based on the referees report.

bubbles Posted on 12/08/2008 12:52
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I hope Gary Smith's on 40%, turns out he did the lad a huge favour.

SalfordJim Posted on 12/08/2008 12:54
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"He broke his leg. It shouldnt be a prerequisite to be a millionaire. OK, his football career was finished, but we move on in life. May I suggest 500,000 would have sounded more correct?

What the high court proceding omitted was the fact that loads of kids don't make it at United.

Did he ever play for the first team at all?

BTW Every player or club would have to admit to cause, based on the referees report."

as i thought ..no basis of fact ..no understanding of the FACTS avaialble to the judge ..just

foo+ him its united ...blah blah ..

as for this little jem " BTW Every player or club would have to admit to cause, based on the referees report."...

how is that in anyway relevant or true....if a player gets a ligamnet injury that isnt diagnsed on match day but put pays to his career 1 week later ..do they ask the ref for his considered medical oipnion....





"



hitmanalves Posted on 12/08/2008 13:01
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Looking through this thread there are a few points.

1. Yes MFC and Gary Smith admitted liability - this could mean they were asked 'did you break this lad's leg in challenge during a reserve team game involving MFC and MUFC? Answer - Yes'

2. When did league 2 players earn 5.5k per week?

3. I am sure I read somewhere this was this lad's reserve team debut (I may be wrong). SAF said he was as good as giggs - well giggs made league debut at 17, MUFC signed ronaldo at 19/20. If he was good enough - would he have had not been on first team duty.

4. The decision reflects the horrendous influence of MUFC over a judge.

5. Any young player who is seriously injured at the start of their career may choose to try and win a legal case rather than battling back and making a career in lower leagues - can of worms open - this is not good for football.

In the end yes the lad deserved some compo but the sheer volume is ridiculous - what would be the payout if say poggy ended ronaldo's career (barring player of the year of course)?

We shall see what happens should a player from the lower leagues suffers such an injury.

sasboro1 Posted on 12/08/2008 13:04
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"In the end yes the lad deserved some compo but the sheer volume is ridiculous - what would be the payout if say poggy ended ronaldo's career (barring player of the year of course)?"

not really that much. 5k a year for 15 years in manutd reserves is about right with £4m. if it happened with ronaldo it would be £40m+ as he earns 100k+ a week

SalfordJim Posted on 12/08/2008 13:04
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so yet again we have a poster who ignores the FACTS ..and instead gives us a ABU balanced opinion....

chorleyphil Posted on 12/08/2008 13:13
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oh shut up yer daft c*nt. Try getting out your box room and put yer trousers on yer dirty tw*t.


Re my earlier post - 'You cannot have a proper football discussion with them'

SalfordJim Posted on 12/08/2008 13:20
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how on theearth are ramblings about a court case between an English university student and an insurance comapny ..a "proper football discussion"...

I wager that you wouldnt have a single opinion on this subject if the words " manchester United" werent attached to it?

sheer ABUism from my yonner up in lancashire milltown ..a local boro lad no doubt ..such irony

chorleyphil Posted on 12/08/2008 13:22
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wahey !!


You need to see a quack about that blood pressure pal !

oh, and 'yonners' are from Oldham. surely you know that?

Stabilo_Boss Posted on 12/08/2008 13:24
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Jim, you seem quite keen to deal in facts. So please tell me where you got this information from:

"a little over 5.5k per week....the average salary for a league 2 player is more that that..."

Absolute, utter nonsense. The average salary in League 2 is about £50k a year (around £950 a week).

Just admit the lad did well for himself.

TheSmogMonster Posted on 12/08/2008 13:28
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As pointed out earlier Jim isn't even a proper Man U fan.

Ignore him - he thinks you're not real...


Boromart Posted on 12/08/2008 13:28
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"it is only 400k per year over 10 years or 260k per year over 15 years. think about other off field deals on top."

Totally over-simplified Sas. A pound today is worth far more than a pound in 10 or 15 years time. Any MBA will tell you getting money in today instead of the future makes it far more valuable.

e.g. If you use a 3% infalation rate, That 400K/year from year 10 would actually be valued at 538K NOW.

When you take into account that he doesn't have to pay any insurance on his career, and his ability to invest that money then he has won BIG time.

This award is worth much more than earning 400K/year for the next 10 years....and lets not forget that he can if he so wishes spend the next 10 years working also, further increasing the worth of his award.


SalfordJim Posted on 12/08/2008 13:30
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sorry context and history are getting in the way ..league two is still the one behind the first division to me...my apoolgises..I still think of the Pl as first division and the first division as 2nd etc.....so the likes of derby , bham , sheff wednesday , bristol..I am sure they are on more than 50k per annum

Critical_Bill Posted on 12/08/2008 13:32
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Drop the 'ABU' shyte, old chap. You aren't really that significant to us and I personally dislike certain other teams more than your lot.

Boromart Posted on 12/08/2008 13:33
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"as for the ill informed fool who raised the isssue of Keane/Haarland..look back at yesterdays factual account ..and then go away and hide your embarrasment...." -- this would be the factual account where you said he played on for another 2 seasons...when in fact he only managed to make ONE further apperance. I think my fact is a more accurate reflection than yours.

SalfordJim Posted on 12/08/2008 13:36
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"it is only 400k per year over 10 years or 260k per year over 15 years. think about other off field deals on top."

Totally over-simplified Sas. A pound today is worth far more than a pound in 10 or 15 years time. Any MBA will tell you getting money in today instead of the future makes it far more valuable.

e.g. If you use a 3% infalation rate, That 400K/year in year 10 would actually be valued at 538K. When you take into account that he doesn't have to pay any insurance on his career, and his ability to invest that money then he has won BIG time.

This award is worth much more than earning 400K/year for the next 10 years....and lets not forget that he can if he so wishes spend the next 10 years working also, further increasing the worth of his award."

these are all considerations ...but so are the likes of

sponsorship, commercial rights, distress, many mnay other factors can be considered..you mention some that are relevant and some are not ..the issue of "

if he so wishes spend the next 10 years working also, further increasing the worth of his award."

thats not a consideration ..you cant determine a mans chosen career path and formulate his future worth based on what ?..a doctor, a paper boy , a call centre worker, and what if he chages jobs /wins the lottery in 53 months ..do you recalcualte then...no a compensation claim is based on KNOWN FACTS at the time of the incident..
"

SalfordJim Posted on 12/08/2008 13:37
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"as for the ill informed fool who raised the isssue of Keane/Haarland..look back at yesterdays factual account ..and then go away and hide your embarrasment...." -- this would be the factual account where you said he played on for another 2 seasons...when in fact he only managed to make two further apperances. I think my fact is a more accurate reflection than yours"

you evaded to mention he retired from an injury

TO THE OTHER FOO+ing LEG....


now do be a good chap and wind yer neck in

Boromart Posted on 12/08/2008 13:37
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"or we could just be an ABU and create some non sensical rant " -- I don't think I have ever witnessed a fan with such a 'superiority complex' as this one. Brush that chip of your shoulder and grow up lad, you will be dead by 40 if you keep getting so stressed at things like an internet messageboard.

Borocelt Posted on 12/08/2008 13:44
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It's a dangerous trend to set really isn't it?

Infact, it verges on absolutely farcical. £4 million quid on the basis he MIGHT have been some kop, one day.

I mean, could Ronaldo argue had his leg not been crocked by that Liverno (?) player he could have played on at the top for several years to come, earning another multi million deal from Milan?

It's an absurd and ridiculous award. If anything, and the tackle really was THAT bad and vicious, then surely an assault case against Smith for causing actual bodily harm is the more appropriate action.

If it was an accident, then some sort of pay out is appropriate, but to the ridiculous sum of £4.3 million? A total farce. I'd also point out it makes the said player a money grabbing pricck. As others have pointed out, it's not as if he's never walked again, let alone never played football again (although granted, not at a professional level). There is just no way to confirm he would have been a top talent at all. Infact, there is as much of a case for any other youngster in the country who suffers a nasty injury, and we can't hand out silly money to every single one.

sasboro1 Posted on 12/08/2008 13:44
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"Totally over-simplified Sas. A pound today is worth far more than a pound in 10 or 15 years time. Any MBA will tell you getting money in today instead of the future makes it far more valuable."

maybe they have taken into account inflation and future earnings. wonder how much manutd pay a reserve player

Going off the back of your mcanns are guilty theory for looking left and now the pay out for this bloke, you are wasted on here and should become a judge or something. looks like you know better than them

Boromart Posted on 12/08/2008 13:49
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"thats not a consideration ..you cant determine a mans chosen career path and formulate his future worth based on what ?"
The point I have made has seemingly gone over your head. The value of that pound today is higher because he has freed up the next 10-15 years of his working life. I didn't try and quantify that, because it is unquantifiable......what is certain is that there is a value to it. That is a fact.

"a compensation claim is based on KNOWN FACTS at the time of the incident.."
In that case, you will agree that the only known fact about this lads future earnings were the contract he had with Manure! According to your latest 'logic', he should have had the rest of his contract paid up by the insurers, nothing more nothing less.

Boromart Posted on 12/08/2008 13:51
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"TO THE OTHER FOO+ing LEG...." -- yep he was stood on his left leg as Keane went through his right leg, putting extra force and pressure on his standing leg. Thus injuring him.

SalfordJim Posted on 12/08/2008 13:52
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"It's a dangerous trend to set really isn't it?

Infact, it verges on absolutely farcical. £4 million quid on the basis he MIGHT have been some kop, one day.

I mean, could Ronaldo argue had his leg not been crocked by that Liverno (?) player he could have played on at the top for several years to come, earning another multi million deal from Milan?

It's an absurd and ridiculous award. If anything, and the tackle really was THAT bad and vicious, then surely an assault case against Smith for causing actual bodily harm is the more appropriate action.

If it was an accident, then some sort of pay out is appropriate, but to the ridiculous sum of £4.3 million? A total farce. I'd also point out it makes the said player a money grabbing pricck. As others have pointed out, it's not as if he's never walked again, let alone never played football again (although granted, not at a professional level). There is just no way to confirm he would have been a top talent at all. Infact, there is as much of a case for any other youngster in the country who suffers a nasty injury, and we can't hand out silly money to every single one."


so yet more ABU opinions and not one FACT

for the jack and jills on here

The Boro player ADMITTED LIABILITY

Boro as club AMITTED LIABILTY

soo no case to defend

all that was to decide was the money the INSURANCE COMAPNY would pay out...after all clubs do have insurance poicies to cover such eventualities...so the EX united player..( after all he couldnt continue with his lucarive career) then decided to set upon a 4yr case to determine AN INDEPENDANT..court decision ....


ask yourself honeslty....

reverse the story ..what if a boro player was taking an INSURANCE comapny to court..after a United reserve had ended his career..would you be as vitriolic..No of course not...and that is the moment you realise that you are indeed a an ABU..

and your OPINIONS are tainted

chorleyphil Posted on 12/08/2008 13:52
Ben Collett award?

My profile of Jim -

A 50 odd year old unemployed man. Calls himself retired.
Loves Utd to the point of obsession and has a problem with fans of all other teams.
Cant afford OT, probably takes in a few FCUM games.
Lives in a high rise.

SalfordJim Posted on 12/08/2008 13:55
Ben Collett award?

your use of the word Manure..demonstrates your ABUism to its full extent..therefore your OPINIONS are not worth zip.....facts are facts ...you dont have any that werent heard by the INDPENDANT court...

Borocelt Posted on 12/08/2008 13:57
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so yet more ABU opinions and not one FACT

for the jack and jills on here

The Boro player ADMITTED LIABILITY

Boro as club AMITTED LIABILTY

soo no case to defend

all that was to decide was the money the INSURANCE COMAPNY would pay out...after all clubs do have insurance poicies to cover such eventualities...so the EX united player..( after all he couldnt continue with his lucarive career) then decided to set upon a 4yr case to determine AN INDEPENDANT..court decision ....


ask yourself honeslty....

reverse the story ..what if a boro player was taking an INSURANCE comapny to court..after a United reserve had ended his career..would you be as vitriolic..No of course not...and that is the moment you realise that you are indeed a an ABU..

and your OPINIONS are tainted

--------------------------------

Not any of that answers what I just posted.

You're just repeating yourself, and making yourself look very stupid.

If you must know, I really couldn't care much about Man Utd. If anything, I prefer them to Chelsea and Liverpool.

Lose the self importance and actually read what people are saying.

Boromart Posted on 12/08/2008 13:58
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"maybe they have taken into account inflation and future earnings. wonder how much manutd pay a reserve player"
I'm sure they have Sas, I didn't say they hadn't. What I was pointing out is that your interpretation of it simplying being a measily 400K/year over 10 years was missing out an important fact. The award is much bigger than that.

"Going off the back of your mcanns are guilty theory for looking left" -- Can you point out where I have said "the mccanns are guilty" (other than of neglect)? I have stated that I don't believe they are being entirely truthful in public, and they know more than they are letting on to us. This isn't an opinion based just on 'looking left' but on several facts. You seem to make a habit of simplifying things and looking stupid don't you.

"and now the pay out for this bloke, you are wasted on here and should become a judge or something. looks like you know better than them " -- Sas, most people on here agree it is an obscene amount. Why not take it up with the others? I am merely pointing out your interpretation of the award is incorrect by all known economic practices.

Stabilo_Boss Posted on 12/08/2008 13:59
Ben Collett award?

You keep banging on about facts but that's the whole point. This case is not based around facts, it's a hypothetical scenario of what a young player might have become.

People on here are saying that there is a very strong likehood that the guy wouldn't have made the grade at a level to warrant a £4m+ payout. Surely you can accept that is a reasonable suggestion? A very very small % of youth players ever come through to have a career in the Premiership - increasingly so these days. That, as it happens, is a fact.

It has nothing to do with anti-united (ease the paranoia, Jim). If a Liverpool, Arsenal or Torquay reserve had made the claim then I'm sure this argument would stand.

SalfordJim Posted on 12/08/2008 14:00
Ben Collett award?

"My profile of Jim -

A 50 odd year old unemployed man. Calls himself retired.
Loves Utd to the point of obsession and has a problem with fans of all other teams.
Cant afford OT, probably takes in a few FCUM games.
Lives in a high rise."

you should get out more...this isnt real you know..if you having fantasties and creating mental images of me based on lines of text ..then perhaps its time to visit a profeesional and seek help..really ... people like you worry me



sasboro1 Posted on 12/08/2008 14:01
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boromart in my figures i have not taken into account any increases in salary or inflation. i am sure in the £4m they have.
being a manutd reservist would bring in more than 260k-400k a year.

maybe you should become a judge afterall, you seem to know about the legal system better than them.

unless we have been in court or read about the full case and all the evidence then we cant really make a proper judgement. how can we can we make a fair judgement from a few paragraphs on the internet?if the sum was too high then surely there would be an appeal?

SalfordJim Posted on 12/08/2008 14:02
Ben Collett award?

"Lose the self importance and actually read what people are saying"

all i am reading is tainted opinions ...would you be as opinioted if it involvedd a newcastle and derby player...no

all you have is opinions..stick to the facts

chorleyphil Posted on 12/08/2008 14:05
Ben Collett award?

Jim, I am interested in what point you are trying to make by being on here.

Are you just defending United's honour on this non real messageboard.

Or have you a genuine interest in young Mr Collett?

You have displayed your humour at Alfie Haarland, but an unknown player is award 4 mil on the strength of SAF and here you are!

Again dick, this is nothing to do with MUFC

Boromart Posted on 12/08/2008 14:06
Ben Collett award?

"your use of the word Manure..demonstrates your ABUism to its full extent.." -- "Anyone But United", well I call Liverpool Liverpoo, and I call Arenal, Arse.

If your going to pigeonhole me at least do it right. I belong in the ABTPFTAKONG (Anyone but the plastic franchises that are killing our national game) group. Which bars me from being an ABU.

skiprat Posted on 12/08/2008 14:06
Ben Collett award?

It is possible to simply say something against United without being labelled with all this ABU S***e you pathetic cvnt.

No wonder everyone does hate United fans if this is the sort of nonsense they come out with.

Borocelt Posted on 12/08/2008 14:07
Ben Collett award?

What a moron. I can just see you sat there, swinging backwards and forwards. "They're all against us, they're all against us"

Paranoid in the extreme. Get a grip. There should be an IQ test to stop morons posting on this site.

SalfordJim Posted on 12/08/2008 14:07
Ben Collett award?

"People on here are saying that there is a very strong likehood that the guy wouldn't have made the grade at a level to warrant a £4m+ payout."


you proved my point exactly ..."people on here" ..hardly professional medical or sporting opinions then ..

"strong likely hood" ..again not one shared by the professional football people who experience counts for amore than poster on amessage board...

chorleyphil Posted on 12/08/2008 14:08
Ben Collett award?

you should get out more...this isnt real you know..if you having fantasties and creating mental images of me based on lines of text ..then perhaps its time to visit a profeesional and seek help..really ... people like you worry me


IT WORRIES YOU COS I RIGHT.

TheSmogMonster Posted on 12/08/2008 14:09
Ben Collett award?

I'm still wondering why he is so passionately defending a team he doesn't support on a messageboard he is convinced doesn't exist.

He still hasn't figured out that we're allowed to be interested in the situation because we were 'the other club'.

People like him shouldn't be allowed on the internet.

Boromart Posted on 12/08/2008 14:11
Ben Collett award?

"unless we have been in court or read about the full case and all the evidence then we cant really make a proper judgement."
SAS, for the third time my latest comments to you are nothing to do with the correctness of the award. They are also nothing to do with the legal system or increases in salary or an other factor that decided this amount.

I am merely pointing out that stating this is the same as 400K per year for 10 years goes against accounting and economic theory. A pound now is not valued the same as a pound in the future, so it's a massive simplification to interpret the award as just 400K/year over 10 years. It is SIGNIFICANTLY higher than that.

"If the sum was too high then surely there would be an appeal?" -- there might yet be one.

TheSmogMonster Posted on 12/08/2008 14:11
Ben Collett award?

Borocelt look up to the post I made him cry in.... the fooking saddo.

I don't normally take any pleasure in it.. but this is all this guy does everyday on this network, different day different board, it got boring on rivals years ago.

SalfordJim Posted on 12/08/2008 14:22
Ben Collett award?

" am merely pointing out that stating this is the same as 400K per year for 10 years goes against accounting and economic theory. A pound now is not valued the same as a pound in the future, so it's a massive simplification to interpret the award as just 400K/year over 10 years. It is SIGNIFICANTLY higher than that."


you calcualtions are based on the wrong formula...

you are correct that the value of the £ is greater now than in 10yrs ..however he will be awarded the sum based on todays figures..his possible earning today..not in 10yrs..in 10yrs he could have been another beckham on 250k pw..

as for the poster who gets all emotional and whet about another poster crying ...grow a pair son ....its not a personal issue ...you may as well take pleasure from trying to insult a roadsign...it doesnt concern me


Boromart Posted on 12/08/2008 14:33
Ben Collett award?

"you are correct that the value of the £ is greater now than in 10yrs ..however he will be awarded the sum based on todays figures..his possible earning today..not in 10yrs..in 10yrs he could have been another beckham on 250k pw.."

You have just highlighted that a) you haven't a clue what you are on about, b) you have little or no logical ability and c) that you are hypocritical in telling us you only deal in facts while using (most likely incorrect) judgments (however he will be awarded the sum based on todays figures).

If you want to discuss this subject then I suggest you go and learn about periodic tables and there place in accounting theory.


chorleyphil Posted on 12/08/2008 14:36
Ben Collett award?

well thats you told Smogmonster


Jim, are you Norris from Corrie? He's a nosey tw*t aswell !

sasboro1 Posted on 12/08/2008 14:41
Ben Collett award?

boromart, out of interest where did you read up about this case?

Boromart Posted on 12/08/2008 14:42
Ben Collett award?

what relevance is that to 400K/year over 10 years?

sasboro1 Posted on 12/08/2008 14:44
Ben Collett award?

relevance is that how much detail do you know about the full case. Quick to dismiss other people opinions. But do you know that much about the case apart from on the bbc website.

SalfordJim Posted on 12/08/2008 14:44
Ben Collett award?

conteext son context ..you are getting your nickers in a twist..

lets look at the possible formula used by deciding an INSURANCE lcaim ...I wanted to stress that point as some misguided posters seem to think that boro paid United the money ...

the judge would have looked at his current contract ...we dont know the details we can only summise..but do know that 4 months earlier he had signed a pro contract on improved terms...so nealry 3.5 yrs remaining on his deal..

if we take the advice of SAF/GAry Nevill/ Trevor Brooking/ the management of Schools football/ his agent ..
we can see why the judge said " he had a 60% chance of making it to the top"...

but lets aire on teh side of caution and say he didnt make it to teh top..but the next level..lets look at the players he grew up with ...Luke chadwick, ritchie jones, David Jones, Paul MCshane..all playing their trade in the PL or the 1st division...are thye on cotracts less than 5k per week ..no ...so the judge used a conservative

60% chance of making top grae (a)
40% chance of some proffesional career based on the professional opinion of above (b)
divided by the timeline of career remaing (c)
+ 3.5yrs remaining on current contract..

= the compensation form the INSURANCE company


these are the variables in this hypotheitcal formula...

you only have opinuions ..tainted ones at that

TheSmogMonster Posted on 12/08/2008 14:49
Ben Collett award?

I think he's trying to win the internet... its not real you know.

Its great how his typing goes everytime someone gets under his skin though.

He's just talking to the voices in his head I guess

Oh wait... now he's a roadsign....

[:D]


SalfordJim Posted on 12/08/2008 14:57
Ben Collett award?

oh smoggy smog mog...my dear little 6fingered freak ..you seem to have this opinion that yours is the only one that counts ..that I have only eyes for you ..bless ..I realise that i have a made an impression ..but I must dash your starry eyed hero worship..you see the reason I have little time to correct my grammar is not as you suggest ...but the facts are ..there are other posters who crave my musing like you ..so switching betweeen sites , pages keeps me busy ...

sorry to disappoint you

Boromart Posted on 12/08/2008 15:00
Ben Collett award?

sas, the case is irrelevant to my comment about 400K/year. It relating to worldwide proven accounting practices.

You can't say it's 400K/year. It works out much more than that due to gaining the money now rather than in 10 years time.

I can' be bothered to do the maths, but the VALUE of that award is more like a 520-550K/year over 10 years. I'm not dismissing opinion, I'm just pointing out a misinterpretation by your good self.

woman_with_a_willie Posted on 12/08/2008 15:02
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Wouldn't supris me if they had Champ Manager fans in to give evidence on the fact he turned out good on the game.

Boromart Posted on 12/08/2008 15:04
Ben Collett award?

"these are the variables in this hypotheitcal formula...you only have opinuions ..tainted ones at that "

You still have completely missed what I'm saying haven't you. A pound today is worth more than a pound in 10 years. Sas's claim that this was the same as 400K/year for the next 10 years is factually incorrect. It is valued at MORE than 400K/year. It's quite a simple cnocept and recognised throughout the business world.

SalfordJim Posted on 12/08/2008 15:07
Ben Collett award?

and you have missed mine .. I do understand the value of future finacnes

my point is ..the value the judge placed is a conservative one..not as you suggest a generous one...

Boromart Posted on 12/08/2008 15:09
Ben Collett award?

"my point is ..the value the judge placed is a conservative one..not as you suggest a generous one..." -- I thought you only dealt in FACTs, rather than conjecture like this????? Make your mind up.

Oh by the way Jim your statements that he had just signed a new contract is another example of you re-writing the history and making up your own 'facts'.

"Mrs Justice Swift said she had found that, had it not been for the injury, Mr Collett WOULD HAVE been offered a three-year professional contract with Manchester United in July 2003."

SalfordJim Posted on 12/08/2008 15:13
Ben Collett award?

yes facts..FACTS are your player /your club admitted responsilbity ..his career ended that day.

then the judge has to make a considered compensation amount based on teh factors I gave you earlier ...the judge worled on the conservative side..


chorleyphil Posted on 12/08/2008 15:15
Ben Collett award?

Smogmonster - with 6 fingers.

I dont think he's dyslecsic, I think he's got fat fingers and when annoyed, they blur into a frenzy of sweat and friction.

He's a fookin mentalist !

TheSmogMonster Posted on 12/08/2008 15:15
Ben Collett award?

Oh he's shaking again.. shaking Jim Salford.

Boromart Posted on 12/08/2008 15:16
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"the conservative side.." -- not a fact. Just your bias opinion.

SalfordJim Posted on 12/08/2008 15:16
Ben Collett award?

I think you are being a little unkind to him

chorleyphil Posted on 12/08/2008 15:20
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This is great this.

Never had so much fun on here since......Willoughby !

Fearless_Fish Posted on 12/08/2008 15:22
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He's on a wind up lads, leave him to it [:)]

No way he could be that thick otherwise!

SalfordJim Posted on 12/08/2008 15:22
Ben Collett award?

this is hard work ...try again

what are the FACTS we know

Yoru player ended his career
You club admitted it
those are two indifutable FACTS ..correct?

the insurance company agreed a payout ..but the amount was disputed...therefore it goes to court..a judge makes a judgement .not on the Injury but on the amount disputed...

teh Insurance comapny say X..the claimant ask the judge to decide..teh judge looks at the Facts..ask the opionion of many professional and respected people ..looks at the factula contracct in place ..the possible ( he said 60% chance in his ruling) career and makes a judgement of 4.5m...it could have been 20m ..if you followed the formula based on a 15yr PL career/endorsements etc...but the judge didnt consider those ..

chorleyphil Posted on 12/08/2008 15:26
Ben Collett award?

Hey Jim, if it was a Boro player that got crocked, SAF would have sworn down that he didnt see a thing.

chorleyphil Posted on 12/08/2008 15:27
Ben Collett award?

Hey Jim, if it was any other player that got crocked against Utd, SAF would have sworn down that he didnt see a thing.

SalfordJim Posted on 12/08/2008 15:29
Ben Collett award?

and if it was a newcastle player ..injured a boro player ..you would be asking for a zzillion

Boromart Posted on 12/08/2008 15:32
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"..ask the opionion of many professional and respected people" -- you missed out one important adjective...."the opionion of many professional, BIAS and respected people"

" ..looks at the factula contracct in place .." -- as proven above he had a youth contract, not a pro contract. He did NOT as you stated as fact 'just sign a new four year contract'.

SalfordJim Posted on 12/08/2008 15:37
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oh dear ...you do have bad bitteness dont you...

as I said for the umpteenth time today ...

the payment form the INSURANCE company ..was based on fomula arrived at by the judge after hearing the opinions of united players , management ..whats in it for them ?...but also england schooboys management and trevor brooking ..are they biased too?

and as the court realse shows and forward as a fact..he signed a PRO CONTRACT just months earlier...

Capybara Posted on 12/08/2008 15:39
Ben Collett award?

indifutable?

SalfordJim Posted on 12/08/2008 15:41
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lets look at this a couple of other ways around ..lets say he didnt win anything ..not a bean

would you have a different opinion..would you be saying "good serves him right"...would you be saying "fook+ing United didnt look after him "..

if he had been involved in a car crash that ended his career..would you deny him any compensation from the driver who had ADMITTED responsibilty...

the truth is your poster are tainted because he has any assoication with United...admit it ...let the truth set you free...expell that bittereness

TheSmogMonster Posted on 12/08/2008 15:49
Ben Collett award?

I'll attempt reason here..

SalfordJim so what about all the hundreds of lads who lose out in a similar fashion every year in football?

How come all these other players have took the help from the PFA and got on with life? Retrained just like you or I?

How come a YTS lad who looses his leg isn't entitled to his 'career earnings' but this lad is.

If you put the decision into wider context why should he get so much money? Its a question that you yourself seem unable to handle sincerly.

Whats so different about this guy?

"the truth is your poster are tainted because he has any assoication with United...admit it ...let the truth set you free...expell that bittereness"

You do know why we're interested in this don't you? Because it was in a game against us and our insurers have paid out?

You're not even a geordie to us Jim.




Boromart Posted on 12/08/2008 15:51
Ben Collett award?

"the truth is your poster are tainted because he has any assoication with United" -- and your not??? Your the one calling people ABU just because they don't tow the official MUFC supporter line.

No one has said he doesn't deserve anything. The question is the level of compensation, which if you hadn't noticed appears to be unprecedented, so is understandably questionable.

SalfordJim Posted on 12/08/2008 15:59
Ben Collett award?

Ok simple answers to simple questions

did a boro player end his career

did boro admit it

did his professional career end ..not a YTS ..a professiobnal

should he be compensated for his loss of earning s

should those loses be based on a formula of time /contract/futer potential

should you seek the opinion of his employers and indepndant professionals

do these professional have any benefot from giving biased testamonay


Boromart Posted on 12/08/2008 16:03
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"should you seek the opinion of his employers and indepndant professionals"
No one is truly 'independant', and as proven in the past, Manure have friends in high places. It is of benefit to Manure if insurance premiums rise. MUFC earn more than any other club so it will impact their finances less than all other prem clubs. This helping keep teh artificial buffer between tehmselves and others.

It is also a strong signal to the youths that they will 'look after them' if something goes wrong, which cannot be underestimated from a moral point of view.

"do these professional have any benefot from giving biased testamonay" -- Are you alluding to the fact that Manutd or Ben Collett o rhis solicitors may have PAID for some of his witnesses? I guess a 4.5mill payout leaves a lot of scraps to be thrown to the dogs, so you could be right.

TheSmogMonster Posted on 12/08/2008 16:06
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Bit cheeky asking questions when you don't bother answering any.

The reason you don't want to answer by the way is that you know by answering them honestly you can't support your position the same way.

None of your questions matter in that wider context of the question 'what makes him different to other human beings?'

Put simply - nothing.

The rest of us have to get on with our lifes and retrain or retire, the average man in the street does not get a payout which allows him to retire (by recieving all the money he would have earnt in his career.)

On a further note.. I worry about people who have never heard of altruism.. makes you wonder about their attitude to other people.

SalfordJim Posted on 12/08/2008 16:09
Ben Collett award?

my goodness I never relaised how bitter and deluded you are...

you are suggesting the judiciary are in league with United..why ..everyone knows we are teh most hated club around...surely if I adopt your parania I could say all the judges are Arsenal or liverpool fans ..or bribed by romans money...

and the BS are about a club or any business wanting to see its cost increases is against every capitlist reason...

you should try and calm down ..what next men on mars

TheSmogMonster Posted on 12/08/2008 16:11
Ben Collett award?

[:D]

whoosh...

[:D]

SalfordJim Posted on 12/08/2008 16:12
Ben Collett award?

""do these professional have any benefot from giving biased testamonay" -- Are you alluding to the fact that Manutd or Ben Collett o rhis solicitors may have PAID for some of his witnesses? I guess a 4.5mill payout leaves a lot of scraps to be thrown to the dogs, so you could be right"

I am alluding to nothing , i think you shouldnt listen to those voices inyour head..you will be suggesting united have morphed all their players for area 51 next...your foo+ked up

SalfordJim Posted on 12/08/2008 16:24
Ben Collett award?

witnesses to what exactly ...your player and club ADMITTED the case..

the judgement was for payment agaisnt the insurance comapny ..there wasnt any witnesses....
witness to what exactly?

chorleyphil Posted on 12/08/2008 16:27
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calm down man. yer spellings going tits again.

Stabilo_Boss Posted on 12/08/2008 16:30
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Aaaggggghhh!!! do you even understand the concept of a fact?!

Right our player crocked him - fine
We've admitted responsibility - fine

This has absolutely no bearing on the 60% probability nonsense you are spouting. Just because it's a number with a % after it doesn't make it any more or less fact than any of the views being offered on here.

It's an arbitrary figure plucked out the air and used (quite successfully) to win the kid lots of money. And that, Jim mate, is our query.

You list a few of his peers, I'm sure there are twice as many that faded into obscurity. Twiss? That winger - Ben something. That's the bloody argument, it's basically predicting the future, which no one (not even if they put a wig on and charge 2 grand an hour) can predict.

I suppose the legal profession does always get it right though. Barry George told me that. The Birmingham 6 confirmed it.

Boromart Posted on 12/08/2008 16:33
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now, now jim you brought up this concept of witnesses materially gaining from appearing in court. Your right, it does happen every day, people make money. Defence councils will often pay a 'professional' to appear in court on their behalf, for which they are paid. I'm sure it's no differant for manure.

"and the BS are about a club or any business wanting to see its cost increases is against every capitlist reason..."
Your not much of a businessman are you? If everyones premium increases by 3 mill, then it will increase your financial position against your competitors. Because 1.5mill as a p% of your revenue is about 1%, against liverpoo it's about 2%. So it benefits you.

That money will easily be recouped through the financial benefits of on field success.

SalfordJim Posted on 12/08/2008 16:34
Ben Collett award?

those were criminal cases and have NO bearing ...

anotehr example ...the wife of a wealthy buiness man sued the nhs after her arm was disfigured from the elbow up ..she got nearly 9m ..is that a more deserving claim?

JohnGalt Posted on 12/08/2008 16:34
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Lol, your getting worked up now what happens when he gets the real payout!

Some of you are mentioning how much he would have got paid over a 10 year period. This verdict does NOT include future earnings, the £4 million is just the start, another court case will start soon suing middlesbrough for the loss of future earnings.

Thats where the real money will come in, £30,000 a week minimum for 20 years?


Boromart Posted on 12/08/2008 16:36
Ben Collett award?

Ben Thornley? Yes an ex of mine knew him. Her brother was his best mate. They raved about him being a future england international....I bet he hasn't earned 4.5mill in the last 10 years!!!

Boromart Posted on 12/08/2008 16:39
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JohhnGalt/CesurYural/PhilStamp/GoBoro (and any other number of tedious pseudonyms) read this from teh guardian -->

Mrs Justice Swift, sitting in London, awarded Mr Collett £4.3 million, which included £3.9 million for loss of future earnings, £460,000 for past earnings and about £40,000 as compensation for pain and suffering.

-- pay particular attention to the phrase "loss of future earnings", now shut the F*** up you bellend.

bevoboro Posted on 12/08/2008 16:41
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JohnGalt and SalfordJim, the networks two saddest loonies, united in frustrated hate. Brilliant stuff.

SalfordJim Posted on 12/08/2008 16:41
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bit of a difference , Ben thornley didnt have a career ending injury ..and was still a pro player at 30 ..poor example

SalfordJim Posted on 12/08/2008 16:43
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tell me John is your moniker a reference to the prominent Ms Rand

Boromart Posted on 12/08/2008 16:43
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and just for you jim....

EXPERTS in SPORTS LAW were SURPRISED by the size of the settlement, saying that it was difficult to predict when young players would join the first team. Of Mr Collett’s ten Manchester United team-mates from the 2003 FA Youth Cup Final, fewer than half (so thats 4!) now play in the Premier League.

Ian Blackshaw, an international sports lawyer, said: “Just because somebody has come through the academy and has started to play, it doesn’t necessarily follow that the next 12 years will be brilliant, and that has to be reflected in the level of damages.”

The average salary in the Coca Cola League Two, the lowest tier of the Football League, is about £1,000 a week — about 7 per cent of what an average Premier League player could expect to earn.


Boromart Posted on 12/08/2008 16:47
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jim, why is it a poor example. It is an example of a manure youth player who was an U21 international and as a kid was 'expected' to do great things. He played Div2 for about 4 years and scot prem for 1 year. I doubt he made 500K let alone 1mill out of it.

I remember reading high praise from Fergie about Thornley at the time he was in the reserves. Just shows that playing for manure reserves isn't a golden ticket to succeess....unless the courts get involved.

SalfordJim Posted on 12/08/2008 16:48
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"EXPERTS in SPORTS LAW were SURPRISED by the size of the settlement, saying that it was difficult to predict when young players would join the first team. Of Mr Collett’s ten Manchester United team-mates from the 2003 FA Youth Cup Final, fewer than half (so thats 4!) now play in the Premier League."

so lets just analise that statement...4 out of 10 ( if you count just outfiled players) ...thats 40% ...playing in the PL ... and the other players are they in the other leagues ..take an avaerage pay of the remaining players and work it out

SalfordJim Posted on 12/08/2008 16:49
Ben Collett award?

sorry gotta go ...home!!

TheSmogMonster Posted on 12/08/2008 16:49
Ben Collett award?

This is a great thread, I love how dense/Paranoid Jim is.

Stabilo_Boss Posted on 12/08/2008 16:56
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"bit of a difference , Ben thornley didnt have a career ending injury ..and was still a pro player at 30 ..poor example"

I would've thought that made him a bloody good example. Was he a promising youth at Man Utd? What happened to him? Did he earn £4.3m in his career? Yes, never made the grade, no. I think that is exactly our argument.

"anotehr example ...the wife of a wealthy buiness man sued the nhs after her arm was disfigured from the elbow up ..she got nearly 9m ..is that a more deserving claim?"

Absolutely not. I think again that backs our argument. Someone getting an exorbitant, random amount of money for an accident.

If you have any more examples to back our arguments please do feel free to post them.

chorleyphil Posted on 12/08/2008 16:58
Ben Collett award?

As the alarm clock goes off at Madam Cynthia's house of pain and humiliation.


'Comon Jim love, out of the gimp box now'

chorleyphil Posted on 12/08/2008 17:07
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Smogmonster - He is a typical Man U MORON.

His whole arguement is based around the fact that (he thinks) we have an issue with Man U.

I hate the c*nts like, but thats got nowt to do with this.