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still_stood_on_the_holgate Posted on 06/08/2008 10:22
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

I thought all that was being stopped as it wasnt fair on the kid. Just caught some headline on the news about it.

Silbannacus Posted on 06/08/2008 10:24
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

Kevin_Bacon_Butties will have an interest in this.

still_stood_on_the_holgate Posted on 06/08/2008 10:25
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

Why? Are his "parents" gay?

HolgateSpikes Posted on 06/08/2008 10:27
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

Are you trying to tell us something, SSOTH?

Are a gay who wants to adopt?

or

Want to be adopted by gays?

still_stood_on_the_holgate Posted on 06/08/2008 10:28
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

I was raised by two mexican midgets. Complete hetrosexuals.

How about you? You sound a bit camp.

Charly_Bellcrank Posted on 06/08/2008 10:29
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

Raised? Dragged up you mean

still_stood_on_the_holgate Posted on 06/08/2008 10:30
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

They taught me how to make taco's though. What the hell did your parents ever do for you like?

guyb Posted on 06/08/2008 10:32
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

Last time I heard, they could have kids.

Ask Paul O'Grady.

still_stood_on_the_holgate Posted on 06/08/2008 10:34
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

Terrible. Its just plain wrong. How unfair is that on the nipper. A total disadvantage from the start through no fault of their own. Could have sworn they had outlawed it a few months back.

neilg Posted on 06/08/2008 10:35
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

Anyone, considered suitable to adopt after rigorous checks can legally do so.Shame the same checks arent made on hetrosexuals incase they beat up their kids, commit adultery, physically,emotionally and psychologically abuse their children.

I speak from experience as someone not far from 50 who is the eldest of the family,
whose dad was an adulterer,
who constantly abused me and my siblings,
caused violence and emotional damage,
left mum to clear up the mess,
both were wed by jesus in his one stop shop ....

lets not get on about who is fit to bring up children. That thinly disguised homophobic question has to be related to the facts of marital breakup and wider social issues.

ask why kids become up for adoption in the first place.



still_stood_on_the_holgate Posted on 06/08/2008 10:38
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

Of course theres parents out there who are terrible parents. Thats just a fact of life though. What i'm saying is that by gays being able to adopt kids they are literally guaranteeing that they will have a disadvantage. Its not right. If people want kids then they shouldnt be gay.

still_stood_on_the_holgate Posted on 06/08/2008 10:39
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

Oh and i'm not homophobic. One of my best mates used to be Alan Carrs on off lover.

neilg Posted on 06/08/2008 10:41
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

How do hetrosexual parents have gay children?
Are all humans bisexual?
Being gay, my biggest disadvantage was having a straight dad.

Critical_Bill Posted on 06/08/2008 10:41
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

neilg, put your violin away.

neilg Posted on 06/08/2008 10:43
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

FACTS. Fatty.

still_stood_on_the_holgate Posted on 06/08/2008 10:44
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

1. Thats the million dollar question. If scientists could figure it out then it could be stopped at an eraly age.
2. No. its never even crossed my mind. I find the thought quite repulsive.
3. What turned you gay like? Did you fancy a celeb like Jason Donovan or something?

BoroPhil Posted on 06/08/2008 10:45
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

why will they automatically have a disadvantage? the only problems they will have is when they meet homophobes like you

BoroPhil Posted on 06/08/2008 10:45
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

and we all know that most people with homophobic views are probably surpressing their own tendencies...

neilg Posted on 06/08/2008 10:46
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

SSOTH - are you a teenage ninja mutant turtle - someone shagged for you! but why?

Critical_Bill Posted on 06/08/2008 10:48
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

BoroPhil, that's absolute nonsense.

I don't like murderers. Are you saying that makes me yearn to be one?

still_stood_on_the_holgate Posted on 06/08/2008 10:48
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

Why will they have a disadvantage? Are you for real? They'll obviously turn out gay themselves coz they'll think its the norm, thats not to mention the ribbing they'll get at school from other kids when they attend parents evening. All this through no fault of their own.

Like i said if people want kids then they shouldnt be putting it about to people of the same sex. Its not natural.

The_Lizards_Jumpers Posted on 06/08/2008 10:49
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

Are you admitting you're a homophobe, Bill?

neilg Posted on 06/08/2008 10:49
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

Borophil, that means CBs answer to your question is "yes".

still_stood_on_the_holgate Posted on 06/08/2008 10:50
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

Its got nothing about being a homophobe its simply being concerned over the welfare of a child who could find themselves growing up with gay "parents" through no fault of their own. Its wrong and the child doesnt deserve to be burdoned by that.

neilg Posted on 06/08/2008 10:51
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

Holgate - are you sure your straight? What turned you straight? Ever checked out your chesney Hawks posters and quietly thought "COOORRRR".

Deep_In_My_Heart Posted on 06/08/2008 10:51
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

BoroPhil, the fact is there are still lots and lots of homophobes around, a child is guaranteed to get bullied if their parents are gay. Is it a disadvantage

arnold_judas_rimmer Posted on 06/08/2008 10:52
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

Let pinky be a warning to all those that think its ok to have two bent parents.

The_same_as_before Posted on 06/08/2008 10:52
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

I don't understand the problem. Two decent people adopting a child, what is the issue?

And for the record I am not a soft Liberal, I am against abortion as a right, but that does not make me right.

still_stood_on_the_holgate Posted on 06/08/2008 10:53
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

No, cant say i have but i once thought Templeton Pecks shoes were quite cool. Thats about it. As i said earlier the thought of it repulses me. However i'm still friends with my best mate even though he was getting shafted by Alan Carr regularly. Defo not a homophobe. Have you got kids like neilg?

Deep_In_My_Heart Posted on 06/08/2008 10:53
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

I dont think anyone is arguing their ability to be parents

sheriff_john_bunnell Posted on 06/08/2008 10:54
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

I hear they're bringing laws in to stop black people from having children soon, for fear their kids might get racist abuse at school.

The_Lizards_Jumpers Posted on 06/08/2008 10:54
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

"a child is guaranteed to get bullied if their parents are gay"

As they are if they're ginger, ugly, short, tall, rich, poor or have any other "feature" that means they can be picked on.

The fact is the love 2 parents can give, whether gay or not, will far outweight the disadvantage of a little bit of teasing.

Think of all the kids in childrens homes, I bet they'd give anything to be adopted by two loving parents whether gay or not.

BoroPhil Posted on 06/08/2008 10:55
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

you might get bullied if your parents are fat? if you parents are in the police? if your parents are indian? should they all be banned from having kids?

still_stood_on_the_holgate Posted on 06/08/2008 10:55
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

DIMH - thats exactly the point i'm trying to get across. Its not a question of whether being gay is acceptable or normal(its not by the way but thats another argument and only my opinion anyway). The question is whether a cild should be burdoned with having gay "parents".

Its worse to have gay parents though isnt it? I mean being fat or ginger is normal for lots of people. Kids can understand that. They cant understand two people of the same sex getting their kicks in the bedroom next door to them.

neilg Posted on 06/08/2008 10:57
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

So is being black, ethnic minority,single parents,off a council estate, on income support.....

lets all go to the local grammar school,
wear little caps with badges on blazers,
leather satchels,
daddy works in the "city",
mother is a part time barrister,
the cleaner calls twice a week,
the house has four bedrooms in 0ne acre of land,
we go horse riding on sundays,
sing on sundays at the jesus drive-in one stop shop,
have three cars,
read "wind in the willows" and believe it.

That means were all mutants and mongrels on teesside then! Apart from Pink Ponce and sex goddess "SSONH" that is. XXXXXXXXXX

The_Lizards_Jumpers Posted on 06/08/2008 10:58
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

"The question is whether a cild should be burdoned with having gay "parents"

Should they be burdened with having fat parents, or poor parents ?

Deep_In_My_Heart Posted on 06/08/2008 10:58
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

good point TLJ. I suppose looking at it that way does make it now look so bad but I just think these days, having 'gay' parents does open up a kid to bullying.

still_stood_on_the_holgate Posted on 06/08/2008 10:59
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

See my point above TLJ.

The_same_as_before Posted on 06/08/2008 11:01
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

A lot of fatism about.

The_Lizards_Jumpers Posted on 06/08/2008 11:01
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

"They cant understand two people of the same sex getting their kicks in the bedroom next door to them."

Are you speaking for all kids there ?

What about single parents, should they be crucified too?

After all kids wont be able to understand why some kids have a dad and some dont.

still_stood_on_the_holgate Posted on 06/08/2008 11:01
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

neilg - this is exactly why people like yourself shouldnt be "parents" to kids. Complte drama queen over reacting and being all eccentric. Kids dont need parents like that. You have emphasised my point beutifully.

neilg Posted on 06/08/2008 11:03
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

I got bullied for being gay and had "straight" parents.Should people not have children? Should certain strands of the population be sterilised "just in case"?

still_stood_on_the_holgate Posted on 06/08/2008 11:04
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

TLJ - I would imagine that any child walking in on Dad1 hanging out of the back of Dad2 would be deeply traumitised by the sight yes.

Kids can understand parents splitting up, it happens. What doesnt happen or is natural is to have two blokes or two women as parents.

BoroPhil Posted on 06/08/2008 11:04
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

why bother starting an abstract thread, when you really wanted to start a 'gays are evil' thread?


sheriff_john_bunnell Posted on 06/08/2008 11:05
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

honestly. there are millions and millions of scummers in this country breeding like rabbits. people who beat S*** out of their children and neglect them and dont give a F*** about them. and people are worried about a couple of homos adopting. I think it does a kid good to have a bit of adversity in their life and having gay parents may just make them a more accepting person. And I wish if people are homophobic they would just admit it instead of trotting out all this i have a gay friend crap.

still_stood_on_the_holgate Posted on 06/08/2008 11:05
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

Not at all. It always happens when someone has no other argument they play the racist or homophobe card. Do you think its right for gays to adopt kids like? If so do you think its fair on the kid?


neilg Posted on 06/08/2008 11:06
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

SSONH.

If youre thinking of becoming a parent:

LEARN TO SPELL.

think of the stigma your offspring would suffer with an illiterate for an excuse. XXxXxxxxXX

still_stood_on_the_holgate Posted on 06/08/2008 11:06
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

SJB - i agree with the first bit of your post but the rest is complete and utter horseS***.

The_same_as_before Posted on 06/08/2008 11:07
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

I still think the best one liner on a similar thread was a lad from Durham a few weeks back.

I'm gay because I don't fancy woman. Sums the whole thing up for me.

As for catching your parents at it, I have a 22 yo and he has avoided me and the wife on our annual duty.

The_Lizards_Jumpers Posted on 06/08/2008 11:07
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

"TLJ - I would imagine that any child walking in on Dad1 hanging out of the back of Dad2 would be deeply traumitised by the sight yes."

As they probably would if they walk in on Dad 1 hanging out of Mam 1. You assume that kids are born with this sense that a Man and Woman is "right", and that they in no way can adapt to anything that isnt what you consider to be the "the norm".

They're not I'm sorry to tell you.

If you just wanted a "Arent gays bad" thread then why didnt you just start one?

flyermetothemoon Posted on 06/08/2008 11:07
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

Only one thing to say on the subject.

God created Adam & Eve NOT Adam & Steve.

still_stood_on_the_holgate Posted on 06/08/2008 11:08
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

I can spell fine. Sometimes typing errors occur but if thats all my kids have to worry about then its good enough for me. Unfortunately some kids arent so lucky and have the terrible burdon of being brought up by a homosexual couple.

still_stood_on_the_holgate Posted on 06/08/2008 11:09
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

TLJ - kids know at an early age the concept of mum and dad, not dad and dad or mum and mum. Its not natural, its not human nature. I see you have resorted to the homophobe card too. Alwyas happens when an argument is lost.

flyermetothemoon - exactly.

Critical_Bill Posted on 06/08/2008 11:10
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

Lizard, I think you are underestimating the perceptiveness of kids.

The_Lizards_Jumpers Posted on 06/08/2008 11:11
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

"God created Adam & Eve NOT Adam & Steve."

With mature arguments like that it's a wonder you're not a QC.

still_stood_on_the_holgate Posted on 06/08/2008 11:11
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

As do i. But it suits his argument.

sheriff_john_bunnell Posted on 06/08/2008 11:14
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

if its not natural why is homosexuality seen everywhere in nature? and homo sapiens have been banging away same sex since the dawn of time.
in fact theres a curious link between extreme heterosexuality and homo sexuality. the macho spartans used to ritualisticaly sodomise boys as a rite of passage.

The_Lizards_Jumpers Posted on 06/08/2008 11:15
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

Not at all Bill, I'm well aware of what kids do and do not pick up.

I think the homophobes just assume that a child instantly senses what you lot consider to be "right" and runs with it - they dont.

Their belief of right and wrong is conditioned by the environment that they are brought up in, and will be affected by a huge number of external factors.




Link:

flyermetothemoon Posted on 06/08/2008 11:15
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

Q C as in queer c#nt

Rod100 Posted on 06/08/2008 11:16
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

the main thing about this - for me anyways - is that it is impossible for 2 people of the same sex to have, or indeed create a life.

therefore IMO it is fundamentally wrong for them to adopt them too.

just my 2 penneth like [:)]

The_Lizards_Jumpers Posted on 06/08/2008 11:17
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

"the main thing about this - for me anyways - is that it is impossible for 2 people of the same sex to have, or indeed create a life."

In which case lets stop infertile couples adopting too.

Critical_Bill Posted on 06/08/2008 11:18
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

Lizard, has becoming Londonified made you more liberal and all emcompassing. Yet another person trying to pass off their own opinion as fact.

still_stood_on_the_holgate Posted on 06/08/2008 11:18
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

But thats a medical condition not a personal choice like being gay is. Completely different.

Rod100 Posted on 06/08/2008 11:19
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

TLJ - if they are of the same sex.... which is what i answered to the title of this thread.....


sheesh!


still_stood_on_the_holgate Posted on 06/08/2008 11:24
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

Can anyone answer the original question?

Rod100 Posted on 06/08/2008 11:26
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

yes they can.


no doubt some clown over in Brussels will say its a breach of their human rights not to be able too ro something.

sheriff_john_bunnell Posted on 06/08/2008 11:26
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

you really think anyone would choose to find a man attractive!!!!!
have you seen how F***ing ugly we are?
we've got hair on our arses for F***s sake!

The_Lizards_Jumpers Posted on 06/08/2008 11:26
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

"Lizard, has becoming Londonified made you more liberal and all emcompassing. Yet another person trying to pass off their own opinion as fact."

I was liberal before I moved to London, I didnt merely follow what they said in the pubs and clubs of Teesside, I developed an opinion for myself.

"Yet another person trying to pass off their own opinion as fact"

You mean like claiming that kids will be preceptive enough to instantly realise that homosexuality is "wrong"?

mailinator Posted on 06/08/2008 11:28
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

"is that it is impossible for 2 people of the same sex to have, or indeed create a life"

Is it? It is *possible* but not in the *normal* way which is probably what most people object to.

still_stood_on_the_holgate Posted on 06/08/2008 11:29
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

Its possible for the same sex to create a life?

Explain.

neilg Posted on 06/08/2008 11:31
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

Holgate - learn to read and spell. I answered the original question at 10.35. By the way - I am gay, I didnt "choose" anymore than you choose to be Greek, English, Peruvian or Albanian.

Rod100 Posted on 06/08/2008 11:31
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

mailinator - i wasnt aware that 2 men could get it on and one of them get pregnant.

i mean where's the foetus going to gestate? in a box!!

and women dont produce sperm so thats them fuct too. unless they go down the sneaky route of having one of their gay friends lend them their sperm lol.

neilg Posted on 06/08/2008 11:33
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

allegedly..

"God Created Man in His Own Image" - he therefore created me!

Praise the Lord.

XXXXX

still_stood_on_the_holgate Posted on 06/08/2008 11:33
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

neilg - "yawn" what no hissy fit this time?

Rod100 Posted on 06/08/2008 11:35
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

i think it is ridiclous staement to say people 'choose' to be gay. there is obviously something biologically different in their make up to make them attracted to the same sex.

mailinator Posted on 06/08/2008 11:35
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

"cell nuclear replacement"

You basically transplant the genetic material from sperm into an egg.

still_stood_on_the_holgate Posted on 06/08/2008 11:36
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

Really? new one to me like. Its still not natural though.

sheriff_john_bunnell Posted on 06/08/2008 11:37
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

it is natural. its seen everywhere in nature.

mailinator Posted on 06/08/2008 11:38
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

You see, that is the issue with you. You said "possible" (or rather it was "impossible") but you aren't really saying that, you are saying it is unnatural.

That's a totally different thing and I'm afraid once you start down that road, there is a lot to be classed as unnatural.

You've just removed the hopes of infertile couples to have kids. Perfectly good parents but unnatural in your eyes.

still_stood_on_the_holgate Posted on 06/08/2008 11:38
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

Its not human nature.

neilg Posted on 06/08/2008 11:38
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

SSONH -

if your -

slim,
blonde,
blue eyed,
tall,
intelligent,
athletic,
sensual,
affectionate,

then ! was mistaken and appologise. I was looking at someone else.

Rod100 Posted on 06/08/2008 11:39
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

mailinator - that requires a sterile lab environment to complete fertilisation i would guess.

not a bottle of lambrini and a quick shaft on the sofa!!

sheriff_john_bunnell Posted on 06/08/2008 11:40
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

of course its human nature. you've seen gay humans havent you?

still_stood_on_the_holgate Posted on 06/08/2008 11:41
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

Its not human nature. A major factor of human nature is reproduction. I rest my case.

mailinator Posted on 06/08/2008 11:41
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

Yes Rod, doesn't make it impossible. My point is he is saying that the ability to do something is reason enough to justify it but the reality it is his own discomfort that is ruling what he thinks should and shouldn't be happening.

He's also conveniently glossed over the issue of infertile couples. Seems they are unnatural.

still_stood_on_the_holgate Posted on 06/08/2008 11:43
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

My own discomfort? Not at all.

The well being of a child burdened with gay parents? Yes.

mailinator Posted on 06/08/2008 11:44
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

You said it was because it was impossible. Now unnatural .. no wait, it's the well-being. Let me know which justification you settle on.

neilg Posted on 06/08/2008 11:44
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

What gives ignorant straights the right to dictate to me about their sexual practices. Sort your chavvy kids out first then tell me why im not going to sleep with SSOTH

sheriff_john_bunnell Posted on 06/08/2008 11:45
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

human nature = things which humans do

homosexuality is an anomaly like having one blue eye and one brown one or being colour blind. Just because it does not further reproduction of the species doesnt mean its not natural.
Is anything that does involve trying to get laid unnatural?

Rod100 Posted on 06/08/2008 11:47
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

i understand what you are saying mailinator. persoanlly the only bug bear i have is that same sex couple can't produce children "naturally". however i will relent and say i'd rather a child be adopted to a loving same sex parented family, than a "normal" hetero abusive family.

however the issue of the child growing up to be gay because of it is proposterous, in fact i would say it would tend for the child to grow up more understanding and tolerant if anything. you cant be forced to be something that you dont want to be.

yes they may get picked on - but so do fat/thin/tall/short/ginger/different race kids - so whats the biggie/

still_stood_on_the_holgate Posted on 06/08/2008 11:49
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

You are all going completely off topic now. The original point being made was that kids shouldnt be adopted into homosexual households because of the many disadvantages associated with it.

If you want an argument about the rights and wrongs of homosexuality then start another thread.

Rod100 - having gay parents is a lot worse than your own mam carrying a few pounds. The kids at school would have a field day if dad1 and dad2 showed up at parents evening.

mailinator Posted on 06/08/2008 11:50
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

The idea of a child growing up to be gay is indeed silly. The way to discount that is "where did all the gay people come from then?"

I watched that program with John Barryman recently and it showed twins. One was gay and the other not, it ain't the parents.

The other point is, people claim not to be anti-gay but feel that a child becoming gay is the worst thing in the world and it is cruel to *make* them that way. Make sense of that, if you will.

mailinator Posted on 06/08/2008 11:52
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

Sorry ssoth, I thought it was you whoi mentioned it being unnatural. Carry on.

Rod100 Posted on 06/08/2008 11:54
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

i watched the same show too. interesting viewing imo.

Fabios_porkpie_provider Posted on 06/08/2008 11:54
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

man + woman = children

man + man = no children

Nature doesn't allow it, so nor should we.
I personally think it's a selfish, indulgent, inconsiderate pursuit for gay men or women to adopt kids. Them wanting children and the family unit is natural and no harm in that. But going the next step and actually creating that family unit is selfish and indulgent in my opinion.It's almost guarenteeing that the kid will grow up with a messed up perception of life, serious issues and a whole load of bullying, ridicule and alienation during their young formative years. Bound to grow up with a few issues.
That's why i think it's purely selfish for same sex couples to adopt. I don't think it should be allowed full stop.

If everyone was gay the human race would cease to exit pretty sharpsih, hence why man + woman = children.
I've got nothing against gays and i do actually have several gay pals, 2 of which are in my social group and who i go out with regularly. I do,however, get sick of the lads who play up to the stereotype, where everything is a sleazey inuendo and ubermince deliberately and camp it up 'for fun' to gain the shallow laughs and admiration of their fag hag 'freinds' who would have no interest in them if they weren't 'hilariously' camp. It's made being gay fashionable and i'm glad to say the 2 gay lads in my social group behave and talk like the rest of the straight world and show that you don't have to be a total ifeminite nancy just because you are gay. Gay's don't chose to be gay, but far too many gays DO CHOSE to play to stereotype and camp it up.

Bit of a rant there but it winds me up how those who play up to the role so completely over the top, actually drive people's view of gays in a negative way.
I'm not gay by the way, I'm all about the laayyyddeeees and i'm in it for the species ;)

Dibzzz Posted on 06/08/2008 11:56
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

It's just par for the course in Newcastle.

Rod100 Posted on 06/08/2008 11:57
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

strange that in nature there have been cases of one sex becoming another so that the species can procreate.


it must be true - it was in Jurassic Park lol

neilg Posted on 06/08/2008 11:57
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

who gave you a certificate to get out the cage.

still_stood_on_the_holgate Posted on 06/08/2008 12:10
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

Good argument neilg.

Fabios_porkpie_provider Posted on 06/08/2008 12:11
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

100!

neilg Posted on 06/08/2008 12:12
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

I wish I could return the compliment.

still_stood_on_the_holgate Posted on 06/08/2008 12:13
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

Triple figure posts at both the top end of the Boro and Newcastle boards. I must be doing something right. Either that or i'm just a bit of a T***.

neilg Posted on 06/08/2008 12:14
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

Self praise is no recommendation - but at both ends be it.

sheriff_john_bunnell Posted on 06/08/2008 12:15
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

ive always been against ugly people procreating. its cruel on the kids. and bigots too.

neilg Posted on 06/08/2008 12:18
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

especially the ones with big ears and pug noses like in the Bash street Kids, aka Peterlee.

GillZean Posted on 06/08/2008 16:10
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

One of our lass's business partners and his civil partner have just adopted two kids from the same family. They had been in dozens of foster homes, their mother was a smackhead. I would definitely say they were better living with a gay couple than the life they would otherwise have had.

I'm sure school won't be easy, having '2 dads' but they will doubtless have a better life than previously.

BoroPhil Posted on 06/08/2008 16:12
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

I've got nothing against gays and i do actually have several gay pals,


why do people say things like this? [:D]


GillZean Posted on 06/08/2008 16:13
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

Because they're gay?


BoroPhil Posted on 06/08/2008 16:15
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

[:D] It all makes perfect sense

Mojo Posted on 06/08/2008 16:17
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

I thought Neilg had been in the army?

Charly_Bellcrank Posted on 06/08/2008 16:24
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

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Charly_Bellcrank Posted on 06/08/2008 16:24
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

Double deuce

GillZean Posted on 06/08/2008 16:44
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

He was but just to be near sweaty men in shower rooms.

The navy was full.

Fabios_porkpie_provider Posted on 06/08/2008 17:37
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

I find the whole ' i'd rather they were adopted by a good gay couple with morals etc than some smackhead abusive family, because they'd have a better life' argument hilarious!

By those rules, anyone else can just turn around and say 'i'd rather they were adopted by a good straight couple with morals etc than some gay couple, because they'd have a better life without all the bullying'.


And ginger kids,spotty kids, fat kids etc get bullied because of genetics, not because their parents willingly or knowingly put them in that situation. Gay couples who adopt, do, however, willingly and knowingly put the kids in that situation

wilkos_perm Posted on 06/08/2008 17:50
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

FFS people reckon it shouldn't be allowed cos he kid will get picked on at school. that really is just a pathetic reason.

Fabios_porkpie_provider Posted on 06/08/2008 17:59
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

and because, like it or not, having two same-sex parents is not natural, it's not normal, the kid's perception of life will be messed up, they will grow up with issues, they will likely be alienated/ridiculed/bullied during their young formative years...

Mojo Posted on 06/08/2008 18:02
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

Ohhhh lady boys...

The_Lizards_Jumpers Posted on 06/08/2008 18:08
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

"and because, like it or not, having two same-sex parents is not natural, it's not normal, the kid's perception of life will be messed up, they will grow up with issues, they will likely be alienated/ridiculed/bullied during their young formative years..."

Yep, far better they grow up going through a sucession of council care and foster homes, where I'm they'll have no issues, find no bullying, no child abuse and go on to have a happy and fulfilling life, pausing only to thank their lucky stars they weren't taken in by two loving parents, who just happened to be homosexual.

Meanwhile back in the real world.....

Boro_Gypo Posted on 06/08/2008 18:53
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

Even most adult homosexuals are not fully open about being gay because they are embarrassed or don't want people to judge them. A child shouldn't be put in this situation. There's nothing worse for a kid than to be tortured for being gay at school.

The_Lizards_Jumpers Posted on 06/08/2008 18:55
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

I dont know, imagine life living in a series of childrens homes I imagine that's much worse than a little teasing because you dont fit in with what other people consider "the norm".

Read "The Looked after kid" by Paulo Hewitt and tell me that you'd rather go through that than be teased for having gay parents.

Boro_Gypo Posted on 06/08/2008 18:57
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

Why have put the norm in inverted commas?

Of course it is the norm to have a straight couple for parents.

Fabios_porkpie_provider Posted on 06/08/2008 20:31
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

Lizard, think you missed the point i was making in the post at 1737.

I don't think that the fact the kids will be in for an unfairly and wrongly hard ride is in disagreement by both sides of the argument. BUT people seem to say, well so what if they get bullied, it's better than living in an abusive family etc etc etc.

Well i'm afraid the 'lesser of two evils' argument doesn't wash with me when the simple answer is by having them adopted by a straight couple. You see?
If everyone acknowledges the kids are in for a hard ride with gay parents ( and anyone who doesn't is just plain naive ) then why not just have them adopted by a straight couple??? Or are there only gay couples looking to adopt today? Hmmmm, meanwhile, back in the real world.......

junkyard_angel Posted on 06/08/2008 20:39
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

My niece has adopted three little girls who lived with their hetrosexual mother. She used to go out and leave them to fend for themselves for up to 48 hours at a time by which time they would be half starved and wearing two day old nappies.

I believe they have landed on their feet.

Fabios_porkpie_provider Posted on 06/08/2008 20:48
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

Of course they have landed on their feet! They have left a ad environment and hopefully they will be all the better for it!

Nobody denies that being taken out of an abusive neglected environment and placed in a more stable one is a good thing!
That seems to be the argument that keeps coming back, but i'd say they haven't landed on their feet as much as they would have if they had been adopted by a decent straight couple! And i don't believe that there are no straight couples out there looking to adopt!
Is it really such a bad thing to say?
Is it really nonsense to think children with same sex parents will have a confused, teased young childhood and are highly likely to grow up with some issues?

GillZean Posted on 06/08/2008 21:10
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

Fabios,

The whole point of there not being enough straight families who want to adopt all the poor blighters in care seem to have flown way over your head. If there were enough straight families who wanted to adopt, maybe the gay couple issue wouldn't exist.

Yes on your part it is a bad thing to say. Maybe you don't know any gay couples, who knows? Like I say, the kids will have a much better life being adopted by a couple than being shoved around council care and foster parents. Kids need stability, love and support, their mother couldn't give them that as the only thing she loved was smack.

neilg Posted on 06/08/2008 22:19
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

Ive spent years amongst other roles hugging the kids that no one loves, and they bring their partners and kids to come and see me. That includes ex army mates - who darent admit they were gay - but were glad id sit an listen. You can fight and still cry on someones shoulder (soldier).

Fabios_porkpie_provider Posted on 06/08/2008 23:54
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

Gill, fair point
From what you've said you acknowledge that straight couples adopting ahead of gay couples is the ideal situation which would be best for the littl'uns. I do acknowledge that a gay couple adopting and bringing a child into a loving home and taking them away from a deprived/abusive background has to be a good thing. But i also acknowledge that such a situation is fraught with downsides and dificulties for the child, and i don't believe that they only let gay people adopt kids when there are no straight people left to do the adopting, that's all. I just don't believe that there are no straight couples out there wanting to adopt.
I mean no offence to gays and i have no problem with them in general. Each to their own. The old cliche 'i have gay freinds' is true in my case and i dare say i come into contact (no puns please) with more gays and have more gay aqaintances than most on this thread, due to the nature of my work, so i'm not speaking as a narrow minded ill informed uneducated neanderthal homophobic bigot.(despite what some will probably think) It's just my opinion, is all.

junkyard_angel Posted on 07/08/2008 16:30
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

fabio: "but i'd say they haven't landed on their feet as much as they would have if they had been adopted by a decent straight couple!"

One hetro couple turned the youngest girl down because she was "darker" than they expected.

neilg Posted on 07/08/2008 21:45
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

Madeline Mcanns parents = great example!

Professionals = work Leicester Glenfield Hospital.

house worth at least 250k in Rothley, Leicestershire - Charnwood Hunting Country.

She attended Rothley Church of England School.

Little white middle class kid.

Kissed the Popes ring.

Spent last summer in the papers.

Left their 4 year old alone and went out to dinner.

They still attend Church every Sunday.

well said junkyard......judge for yourselves.


ian_elliot Posted on 07/08/2008 21:47
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

The bullying argument is a load of cack.

If anyone picks on me I've got two dads to send round and kick the F*** out of the little gits.

neilg Posted on 07/08/2008 21:48
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

Dont bother kicking anyone. Its not worth the effort.

mailinator Posted on 07/08/2008 21:52
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

Seems to me the only 'issues' that people think a child may grow up with is turning out gay.

Thinking back to my childhood, I don't recall ever really having an interest on what my parents did in the bedroom. Childhood for me was filled with memories of family holidays, playing out and having a carefree life. Their sex life was never something I was interested in. Mam and dad getting it on? Bleeeurgh! WOuld be the same with Dad and Dad getting it on. Note: the former didn't leave me scarred for life.

neilg Posted on 07/08/2008 22:05
Can homosexual people still adopt kids?

Me neither. Good point.