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easycomeeasygo Posted on 30/07/2008 11:49
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looking good our ali like. fancy him to get 15 this season.

sasboro1 Posted on 30/07/2008 11:49
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been drinking?
has he scored 15 goals in his career?

Shaun71 Posted on 30/07/2008 11:51
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Hes right in what he said though sas (apart from maybe getting 15!).

Hes looked the brightest out of our forwards this pre season. Played on the right last and caused them all sorts of problems. Took his goal well

sasboro1 Posted on 30/07/2008 11:53
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i think he will end up on the right. but then emnes will be there

but would you play him ahead of tuncay/mido or alves?

i think he will be used just as a sub/cover.

dont take games against carlisle too seriously

we have yet to see mido get a go yet and tuncay hasnt had a proper go either. maybe play him instead of alves?


easycomeeasygo Posted on 30/07/2008 11:53
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only coffee sas.

i think the majority see he has a lot of qualities and now he's had a proper full season under his belt i think the sky is the limit.

go on frenchy, 15 in all competitions if you fancy a wager sas?

sasboro1 Posted on 30/07/2008 11:55
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yeah i fancy another wages on aliadiere for less than 15 goals.

Shaun71 Posted on 30/07/2008 11:55
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Ive seen all 4 games sas, and all of last season. Maybe he will be used on the right, but we didnt half miss him when he didnt play.

Tuncays played a part in 3 of 4 friendlies so far. Yes it was Midos 1st game last night and he needs a few more under his belt, but I fancy Ali will get his fair share of games this season

wilkos_perm Posted on 30/07/2008 11:55
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he wont start every game so 15 goals is very ambitious.

i reckon Alves will get 20 though.

sasboro1 Posted on 30/07/2008 11:56
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where will ali play though? who will he play instead of?

Shaun71 Posted on 30/07/2008 11:57
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I hope he finishes better than he has in preseason!

Buddy Posted on 30/07/2008 11:58
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He won't play "instead" of anybody, he would be first choice. Alongside Alves. With Tuncay behind and Digard tidying up.

Stabilo_Boss Posted on 30/07/2008 11:58
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Where's onthemap? He's gonna love this thread

skiprat Posted on 30/07/2008 11:58
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Emnes, Tuncay, Mido, Alves, O'Neill?

Not all of them will play every game.

Shaun71 Posted on 30/07/2008 11:58
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I think the team that started last night wont be far off the mark.

I certainly dont think hell get 15 but I think he might get 8-10

Critical_Bill Posted on 30/07/2008 11:58
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I have a nagging feeling that Southgate will manage to 'accomodate' Aliadiere somehow.

Shaun71 Posted on 30/07/2008 11:59
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I hope so Bill, hes one of the better footballers in the club and at times last year we didnt half miss his pace when he wasnt playing

sasboro1 Posted on 30/07/2008 12:00
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"Not all of them will play every game."

yeah drop the better players to accommodate our aliadiere

think you are right critical_bill, although towards the end of last season he did drop him to the bench.

i just dont see him a regular when better options

Shaun71 Posted on 30/07/2008 12:00
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I forgot we had a host of better players than Aliadiere.


Critical_Bill Posted on 30/07/2008 12:01
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Southgate shouldn't tinker with a system just so he can fit in. Not worthy of being in our first choice XI.

Shaun71 Posted on 30/07/2008 12:01
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Garbage

Shaun71 Posted on 30/07/2008 12:02
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Who would you play wide right 1st game of the season Bill?

easycomeeasygo Posted on 30/07/2008 12:04
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okay matey

50 says he gets 15 in all comps

Critical_Bill Posted on 30/07/2008 12:05
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Probably not an impotent striker.

Shaun71 Posted on 30/07/2008 12:11
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Predictable answer

Critical_Bill Posted on 30/07/2008 12:12
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In all honesty, I'd probably play O'Neil.

Shaun71 Posted on 30/07/2008 12:13
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Fair enough, an impotent midfielder [;)]

Critical_Bill Posted on 30/07/2008 12:14
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We'd be better balanced and he puts a shift in. I can't see Aliadiere doing much covering and tackling back.

Shaun71 Posted on 30/07/2008 12:16
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Fair point and we do look better balance with O'Neil in. I just think when we are at home, a more attacking right sider might play such as Aliadiere or Emnes

onthemap Posted on 30/07/2008 12:16
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Typical, I'm away when the really funny threads kick off.

Shaun71 Posted on 30/07/2008 12:17
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Keep off it then

easycomeeasygo Posted on 30/07/2008 12:17
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i totally disagree with that. ali' work rate is superb

Shaun71 Posted on 30/07/2008 12:18
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Im not sure about your bet about him getting 15 goals mind! [:D]

8-10 I would be happy with and even mappy cant say hes not one of the better footballers weve got. Weve cried out for genuine pace for years

skiprat Posted on 30/07/2008 12:19
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"yeah drop the better players to accommodate our aliadiere"

I don't read anyone saying that.

Aliadiere will get games because we need quality players in the SQUAD which means that Alves, Mido, Tuncay, Emnes and Aliadiere will all get games.

Unless you think we'll go through the entire season without any injuries or suspensions?

easycomeeasygo Posted on 30/07/2008 12:20
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i'm standing by my prediction shaun.

he'll play week in week out, ten in the league and 5 in the cups and roberts your fathers brother, 50 up

mat_evans Posted on 30/07/2008 12:23
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"i'm standing by my prediction shaun.

he'll play week in week out, ten in the league and 5 in the cups and roberts your fathers brother, 50 up"

[:D] You're on smack too! As much as i rate Ali, he won't score 15 goals he's more of a provider.

easycomeeasygo Posted on 30/07/2008 12:28
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you've got your crystal ball out have you matt??


he scored 9 league cup goals in 15 appearances for arsenal.

he's never had a run in a good team so we'll see.

i think my 50 is pretty safe

Boromart Posted on 30/07/2008 12:36
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easycomeeasygo don't bother having abet with Sas....he will change the terms of the bet so that it's doesnt reflect the original bet. [:P]

mat_evans Posted on 30/07/2008 12:37
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Nah i read jezza's palm last week.

You've got to remember he was playing in an Arsenal team that were putting chances on a plate for him back then. I can also see him being used as a right winger this year. Just can't see him managing 15.

easycomeeasygo Posted on 30/07/2008 12:40
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[:D] that explains it then matt.

there's no changing the terms boromart, it's black and white. either he scores 15 goals or he doesn't. there is no way he's wriggling out of this one

onthemap Posted on 30/07/2008 12:40
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Mido and Alves are the first choice strikers, after that Tuncay and Emnes will be in and out of the team.

You can try to justify your Ali adoration all you like, but the fact is we can't afford to carry him any longer.

I suspect Soutgate has woken up to that fact, it's obvious though you lot need another 5 goals from 30 odd appearances before you admit to it.

easycomeeasygo Posted on 30/07/2008 12:42
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thanks mate, you must get your info first hand from gareth do you? seeing as you know who he will and wont pick!

otm, you and sas are the same person i take it?

onthemap Posted on 30/07/2008 12:50
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easy
We had the same discussion over Rocky and Catt.

easycomeeasygo Posted on 30/07/2008 12:53
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the FACT is you dont have the slightest idea what southgate is going to do.

you are speculating and making it out to be fact.

aliadiere will play week in week out and i've put 50 quid where my mouth is.

Justino Posted on 30/07/2008 12:56
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Ali is a luxury player who looks great but with little end product.

I talk to a lot of other Journos and they all feel the same. in fact when we played Sheff Utd last year their local reporter was praying ali would start as he offers little end product.


easycomeeasygo Posted on 30/07/2008 12:59
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sheff utd's local reporter is an expert on aliadieres end product now is he??

what a load of sh1te. what makes a journalists opinion who probably sees him play twice a year of any importance?

journalists = know alls who really know f all

onthemap Posted on 30/07/2008 13:01
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easy
I am speculating of course - see my Catt and Rocky speculation and compare it to your gushing on the pair that ultimately came to nothing.

easycomeeasygo Posted on 30/07/2008 13:03
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i think you have me confused with someone else mappy.

i've never gushed over cattermole!

i like rocky and am disappointed he went, whats your point anyway?

are you always right mate?

TheSmogMonster Posted on 30/07/2008 13:04
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Sports journos tend to know little more then the average fan IMO.

The constant misreporting of facts at places like skysports and the beeb is baffling sometimes.

I think Ali is a decent player, but I can't see him getting past Alves, Tuncay and Mido, saying that it looks like him and Emnes could be battling for Gary O'Neil's spot on the right too.

Shaun71 Posted on 30/07/2008 13:07
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Ali will get his fair share of games this season. I think mappy may be disappointed on this one.

Yes we know he needs to score more goals and hes going about it the right way pre season. I know its only friendlies but out of the front 4 hes been the most impressive so far.

Injuries permitting hell play 25+ games this season

onthemap Posted on 30/07/2008 13:08
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easy
Everyone on this board agrees with me on every point I make, they just wait for a season or so before telling me.
No-one likesd Catt apparently, no-one rated Rocky, and in another season no-one will ever have given me any abuse over Ali
- or Southgate for that matter.

Shaun71 Posted on 30/07/2008 13:11
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A broken clock is right twice a day.

Yes we know he needs to score more goals if played up top, but Tuncay only scored a couple more with more games.

The fact is, no matter what you say from your comfy armchair, is we looked a lot better with him in the team than without. Weve desperately needed pace for years, and this lads got it.

Hell get his fair share of games I can guarantee you that

Critical_Bill Posted on 30/07/2008 13:11
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To think that the likes of Hamilton Ricard, a forward who scored goals, got dogs abuse whilst people praise Aliadiere who managed 5 goals but 'stretched' some teams.

Shaun71 Posted on 30/07/2008 13:13
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Go back 10 years and it would have been the likes of you Bill giving Ricard 'dogs abuse'


Shaun71 Posted on 30/07/2008 13:13
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Your right though, were spoilt with pacey good footballers. Get rid

Clueless

Critical_Bill Posted on 30/07/2008 13:14
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Not at all, Shaun. Big Ham was good entertainment value and scored goals in what was a pretty mediocre team.

TheSmogMonster Posted on 30/07/2008 13:14
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"easy
Everyone on this board agrees with me on every point I make, they just wait for a season or so before telling me.
No-one likesd Catt apparently, no-one rated Rocky, and in another season no-one will ever have given me any abuse over Ali
- or Southgate for that matter."

Have you lost the plot map?

As far as I can tell the same people agree with you who have always agreed with you and the majority of people still think you are wrong....

Hercules Posted on 30/07/2008 13:17
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People who understand the game realise that Aliadiere is a good footballer who brings alot to the team. If you don't realise what he brings its difficult to explain it to you as you simply don't have the same level of understanding as the more knowledgable posters. Its made even more difficult to explain by some of the more belligerent posters who don't want to learn.

He'll get his fair share of games next season, 25+ appearances I reckon. probably scoring 5 or 6 goals, which is fine as long as he plays the same way he did last year.

Mido and Alves are the first choice strikers, after that Tuncay and Emnes will be in and out of the team.

Is this another prediction of yours onthemap? How many games will Aliadiere get? 5? 10? Come on stick your neck on the line all knowing one.

Shaun71 Posted on 30/07/2008 13:17
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That mediocre team didnt do too badly in 98/99

Good entertainment value? I would bet my last penny you would have been slating the fella if he was playing now.

Agreed I liked Ricard, he was under-rated, and still is our all time Premiership top scorer

Shaun71 Posted on 30/07/2008 13:19
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Hercules 1st paragraph hits the nail firmly on the head.

No more to be said

Boromart Posted on 30/07/2008 13:19
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"see my Catt and Rocky speculation and compare it to your gushing on the pair that ultimately came to nothing." ---- I'll see your catt and Rocky speculation and I'll raise it a Dong Gook Lee speculation!

Hercules Posted on 30/07/2008 13:19
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Is he really? Did Viduka, Jimmy or Yak not get more than he got?

Critical_Bill Posted on 30/07/2008 13:19
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I wouldn't be slating him. He had the ability to score goals, which is a pre-requisite for any striker in my eyes.

onthemap Posted on 30/07/2008 13:21
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yes Smog - I'm wrong and we'll be re-signing Rocky and Catt no doubt?

I suppose Ali's brand of football is easier on the eye, bit like Johnsons, remember he was the idiots favourite to oust Downing last season - until he played a few times that is.

The Boro uberfans on here have gone too far to change their opinions now, they'd rather see us relefated with Ali playing 40 games, so they could say "I told you so".

It's sad but every club has those types.

Shaun71 Posted on 30/07/2008 13:22
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He certainly is Hercules

Premier League only

31 - Ricard
29 - Juninho
26 - Viduka
25 - Yakubu
23 - Hasselbaink / Nemeth
18 - Deane / Maccarone
17 - Downing / Job
16 - Ravanelli

Shaun71 Posted on 30/07/2008 13:22
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Your still so so wrong mappy but never mind. As I said before Hercules 1st paragraph is spot on

Hercules Posted on 30/07/2008 13:22
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Very suprising indeed. Do you have the appearances at hand?

Boromart Posted on 30/07/2008 13:23
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Give Alves two full seasons and he will be top.

Shaun71 Posted on 30/07/2008 13:23
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So you never slated Yak, Jimmy or Viduka on here then Bill?

Before you say no, are YOU sure? [:)]

Shaun71 Posted on 30/07/2008 13:25
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I have somewhere Hercules but have to nip out. Ill put them up later

Critical_Bill Posted on 30/07/2008 13:27
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Look at Downing he managed 10 goals from playing wide-left, and contributed a damn sight more than the 'forward' Aliadiere. Pace is all well and good if there is a product at the end.
His open goal miss against Blackburn in the first game of the season was an indication of what was to come.

sasboro1 Posted on 30/07/2008 13:27
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bet is on easycomeasy go!

aliadiere is 25 and only scored 16 goals in his whole career. just cant see him getting anywhere near that in one season when last season he only got 5 and that was when we had no strikers.

critical_bill, to think that mickel beck got loads of abuse despite being as prolific as aliadiere.

Think aliadiere will end up down the pecking order next season. he wont be in ahead of emnes and we saw back end of last season he was put on the bench with alves and tuncay working well together. then there is mido too. plus o'neil who can also play on the right.

Shaun71 Posted on 30/07/2008 13:30
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Downing is far and away our best player and had his best ever season goal wise.

Behind him I would class Aliadiere as the one player who causes defences problems. Yes we know he needs to score goals, and this season is a big one for him. The lad is a classy, clever footballer and you can never do with too many of them.


Boromart Posted on 30/07/2008 13:31
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mappy why do you pigeon hole everyone into idiots who disagree with everything you say and people who agree with everything you say? Why so polar?

From your mad rants on this thread...

- I strongly agreed that we should keep Downing on the left, Johnson isn't ready.

- I agreed with your Arca and Rocky won't work....long term.

- I agreed that Rocky needed replacing

- I disagree with your assesmnent of Ali as rubbish and 5th choice striker

- I disagreed with GaryO in the centre of a 4-4-2.

I'm not sure how I fit in with your black and white view of the world. Your like a computer only dealing in binary....in fact it would be quite simple to write some code to respond on your behalf because your posts are exactly the same every day.


Hercules Posted on 30/07/2008 13:34
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Shaun, I don't think he does need to score more goals. In recent years we have been spoiled with 3 strikers capable of scoring 15+ goals per season in Jimmy, Yak and Viduka. But how often prior to that did we have 1 player hitting 20 goals, let alone 2?

Can anyone tell me how many teams had 2 strikers scoring 20+ goals last season. Spurs and Man U I think. Thats it. As a club of our size we can be satisfied with 1 player hitting 15-20(hopefully Alves is this player) and then have another 2 or 3 approaching double figures.

Boromart Posted on 30/07/2008 13:34
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"His open goal miss against Blackburn in the first game of the season was an indication of what was to come." -- did you form the same opinion when Tuncay missed his shocking misses and had a dogs dinner of a start form -wise?

Critical_Bill Posted on 30/07/2008 13:34
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Shaun, if he was so 'classy and clever' he'd have made a niche for himself at Arsenal. A gunners-supporting mate was surprised how much we paid for him.

Shaun71 Posted on 30/07/2008 13:34
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Your another one who would have been slating the likes of Beck and Ricard too.

Beck had a 1 in 5 record in the Prem for us, similar to Ali. Are you saying Beck was the better footballer? Come on..

onthemap Posted on 30/07/2008 13:35
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Boromart
Where did I call you an idiot?

You agreed with everything I ever said, you've just told me so.

Shaun71 Posted on 30/07/2008 13:35
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Yes like Bentley eh Bill

Arsenal are one of the best clubs in the world.

2m too much? You really cant educate people can you? You cant get a League 2 player for that!!

Critical_Bill Posted on 30/07/2008 13:38
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Boromart, Tuncay wasn't as hideous as some made him out to be in his first few months here. One thing you could see was the lad had a lot of heart, and ran himself into the ground.
Aliadiere makes Maccarone look brave.

TheSmogMonster Posted on 30/07/2008 13:39
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"Yes Smog - I'm wrong and we'll be re-signing Rocky and Catt no doubt?"

"easy
Everyone on this board agrees with me on every point I make, they just wait for a season or so before telling me.
No-one likesd Catt apparently, no-one rated Rocky, and in another season no-one will ever have given me any abuse over Ali
- or Southgate for that matter."

Not the same thing are they.. I know you are not that daft.. but you're putting words in your own mouth now.

Shaun71 Posted on 30/07/2008 13:39
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Now we come to the crux of the matter. Typical Boro outlook

Run yourself into the ground and your a hero.

Glenn Hoddle would have been slated at this club

You were the one who mentions open goals. Did you see Tuncays at Derby? Im a Tuncay fan but to say Alis miss set the scene for the whole season is crap

easycomeeasygo Posted on 30/07/2008 13:39
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f*ck me, after trawling through some of that drivel i'm speechless. boromart, shaun and hercules seem to have it right. otm, critical bill and sas seem to have it very very wrong.

an arsenal fan was suprised we paid 2 million quid??

wtf, he's an absolute steal at 2 mil.

he has fantastic technique, great movement, wondferful work ethic and he's f*cking lightning.

one more thing, hamilton ricard is quite possibly one of the worst footballers i have ever seen in a boro shirt, the lad made brian deane look good!!!

sasboro1 Posted on 30/07/2008 13:39
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plus tuncay started to find the net, he has evidence to back up that he will score goals as he has done it in the champions elageu and international level. with alaidiere there is no evidence to suggest that his goal scoring will get any better than it is now. Wheater came close to scoring as many as him. that says it all really.

Shaun71 Posted on 30/07/2008 13:41
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He scored 3 more than Ali after playing more games!! So because Wheater wasnt far behind Tuncay does that mean anything?

In all 4 games pre season Aliadiere has looked far and away the sharpest. Hell play his fair share of games. As someone said if you cant see what he brings to the team theres no point trying to explain.

Critical_Bill Posted on 30/07/2008 13:41
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Shaun, seriously he was something of an anti-hero at Arsenal. If you are good enough you'll make it.
Bentley left Arsenal at 20 years old for first team football. Aliadiere kicked his heels there until he was 24/25 which was ample time to make an impression.

Shaun71 Posted on 30/07/2008 13:43
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Wenger obviously rated him to keep giving him contracts. Dont give me gubbins saying why did he sell him then!

Arsenal fans I know certainly didnt think he was an anti hero

onthemap Posted on 30/07/2008 13:43
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easy
Yuhis goals will rocket us into Europe, just like they did when he was being supplied by some of the leagues best players.

Maybe now he's as good as you say Wenger will buy him back?

Shaun71 Posted on 30/07/2008 13:44
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He hardly played any league games for Arsenal mappy? WTF are you talking about. You really havent a clue about football have you? I always tohught it was an act

easycomeeasygo Posted on 30/07/2008 13:46
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yuhis??

aliadiere played a total of 29 league games for arsenal, not sure how many of those 29 he started but as a player it must be very difficult to play 2-3 times a season and find any consistency. some one said earlier that its a big year for him which is very true. i just cant wait to do an otm style "i told you so" when he's bagged his 15 goals by chrimbo

Critical_Bill Posted on 30/07/2008 13:51
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It's a bit childish to resort to the old 'well I know someone who thought different' argument.

"Now we come to the crux of the matter. Typical Boro outlook

Run yourself into the ground and your a hero."

How patronisoing. Be careful you don't fall off that high-horse you are damaging the spine of.
With regards to Tuncay's start you could (well people I know could too) see that the lad had something about him, he clearly had a sharp football brain but was not quite on the same wave-length as the rest of the team (Playing out of position didn't help). Despite not everything going his way, he still was hungry for the ball and willing to try again instead of going into his shell.

Boromart Posted on 30/07/2008 14:00
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"A gunners-supporting mate was surprised how much we paid for him." -- a gunners ST holder neighbour of mine said that if he finds his shooting boots he will be a 10mill+ pound striker. Another gooner neighbour said very good footballer, just need a run in a first team to push on.

Boromart Posted on 30/07/2008 14:01
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"You agreed with everything I ever said, you've just told me so." -- you don't do reading, do you!

Boromart Posted on 30/07/2008 14:04
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easycomeeasygo I think he started about 7 league games at arse. His goals per starts in all competitions wasn't bad.

easycomeeasygo Posted on 30/07/2008 14:05
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you said ali makes massimo look brave bill.

ali works his socks off for the team and he definitely doesn't go in to hiding.

sasboro1 Posted on 30/07/2008 14:06
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in the end aliadiere is 25 and only scored 16 goals in all competitions in his career and that is pretty poor for a striker. No matter how good arsenal are if he was a better goal scorer he would have played more games as they play over 60 games a seaosn and play weak teams in early rounds of competitions. for example walcott is not even 20 but has already played 71 games for arsenal(ok 38 as sub). ali might look techincally a good football but no end product that means nothing. the problem for aliadiere is that there is no natural position for him and we have better options in each position(upfront and right midfield). i think he is good enough to be a sub to bring on with 20 minutes to go.


easycomeeasygo Posted on 30/07/2008 14:07
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that says it all then boromart.

the lad, given a run will score goals.

he knows his team mates, will feel more comfortable, settled and part of things. i'll be collecting 50 next may from sas

sasboro1 Posted on 30/07/2008 14:14
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"the lad, given a run will score goals."

what, like last season when he played 29 games?

Critical_Bill Posted on 30/07/2008 14:14
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"said that if he finds his shooting boots he will be a 10mill+ pound striker"

That could apply to any run of the mill, average forward.

JohnGalt Posted on 30/07/2008 14:16
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Aliadiere will be first choice RW and then replacement striker if Mido or Alves get injured, Tuncay is going to be the one not featuring you can tell by southgates treatment of him last year and in pre season. 90% of the time if we had 3 fit strikers Tuncay was the one to be dropped.

Jones
Young Wheater Huth Pogatetz
Aliaidere Oneil Digard Downing
Mido Alves

Subs: Turnbull, Riggott, Taylor, Shawky, Emnes, Johnson, Tuncay

Possibly play a 433 at times but with the same line up

sasboro1 Posted on 30/07/2008 14:16
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if wenger rated him that much he would have chucked in a sell on clause like with bentley and harper.

Critical_Bill Posted on 30/07/2008 14:18
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Why is it that the fact that Wenger signed him an indication that he's wonderful?

Remember the likes of Cristopher Wreh?

Adi_Dem Posted on 30/07/2008 14:18
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This thread is funny.

Libbins Posted on 30/07/2008 14:18
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Aliadiere is not a winger. And if he ever cements a first team place, it will be through the middle.

Space_Face Posted on 30/07/2008 14:27
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As has been said, Ali is not a winger or a midfelder, he's a striker. Just not a very good one.

JohnGalt Posted on 30/07/2008 14:31
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No one is suggesting otherwise, just that southgate will find him a place in the side.

Adi_Dem Posted on 30/07/2008 14:33
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Except that he is a good one.

Critical_Bill Posted on 30/07/2008 14:34
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His goals record suggests otherwise.

Hercules Posted on 30/07/2008 14:37
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Why are you all banging on about how Aliadiere did at Arsenal?

Look at what he did for us last year. He scored vital goals against Wigan and Fulham which secured us 6 points. How many points above the relegation zone were we? Add to that what he brought to our all round game and he was a very important player. Look how poor we were when he was serving his ban for slapping Mascherano.

The fact that Arsenal did not keep him has no relevance to how useful he is for us. We are not Arsenal. We do not have Adebayor, Van Persie and Eduardo as alternatives. We have Tuncay, Mido and Alves. Alves will start(12m and a goalscorer, which every team needs ONE, not many have 2) then out of the other 3 Aliadiere will be used more often than the others IMO because although Tuncay and Mido will probably score 4 or 5 more goals per season, we are a much less potent attacking TEAM without Aliadiere.

boro74 Posted on 30/07/2008 14:39
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Ali is a forward. Not a striker. I predict he will get into double figures in all competitions next season.

sasboro1 Posted on 30/07/2008 14:40
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Surely one of the reasons why we were near to the bottom was because our strikers available were not scoring enough goals and that is why southgate went out and spent 13m on a new striker again.

"we are a much less potent attacking TEAM without Aliadiere"

yes we never lost with aliadiere in the team and never won without him in the team

Hercules Posted on 30/07/2008 14:42
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Thats true sas, we never scored enough goals. That is why Alves was bought. Shall we just play with Alves up front now then?

Of course not. Dozy T***.

Look at the spell he was out of the team and you will see. You can't argue with actual results you clown.

Adi_Dem Posted on 30/07/2008 14:45
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You can always rely on Sas to exaggerate.

No-one, to my knowledge, has ever claimed he will be prolific. We signed ALves because we needed a proven finisher, a goalscorer. Does that mean that Aliadiere does not deserve a place in the team? Does that mean that he doesn't improve the team? Not for me it doesn't no.

Some think we are a much better team with Aliadiere in it. Others don't. Nothing more complex about it than that.

sasboro1 Posted on 30/07/2008 14:49
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no one is exaggerating. his goals record speaks for itself! 16 goals in his career when he is 25 that is pish poor for any striker. and that is why we went and bought alves! who said prolific i jsut expect more than 5 goals a season or 16 in a career for someone who is a premier leageu striker. wheater nearly got as many goals as him!

sasboro1 Posted on 30/07/2008 14:51
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"Thats true sas, we never scored enough goals. That is why Alves was bought. Shall we just play with Alves up front now then?

Of course not. Dozy T***."

no need to get abusive! if you cant handle the truth.

you play tuncay/mido with alves who are better than aliadiere.

honestly it is not difficult to work this out for yourself. aliadere shoul dbe 4th choice striker as there are 3 strikers who are better quality than him and will get more goals

boro74 Posted on 30/07/2008 14:53
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Why don't we just play 5 strikers?

Hercules Posted on 30/07/2008 14:55
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Its hard trying to educate somebody who doesn't listen to what you're telling them. Try finding something of a lower level of intelligence and educate them on something you know about. Maybe try telling a brain damaged mongrel about the intricacies of picking your nose or something.

you play tuncay/mido with alves who are better than aliadiere.

honestly it is not difficult to work this out for yourself. aliadere shoul dbe 4th choice striker as there are 3 strikers who are better quality than him and will get more goals

Thats what we're debating. Don't put that up as if its a fact. Its not. They'll probably score more goals but like I said in my first post, you can either see it or you can't but Aliadiere is a good footballer, a better footballer than Mido and Tuncay.

Critical_Bill Posted on 30/07/2008 14:56
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I wouldn't say he's a better footballer at all. Both Mido and Tuncay have a better touch than him too.

Adi_Dem Posted on 30/07/2008 14:57
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Is that really why we bought Alves? I don't think it is. I don't think the thought process even took Aliadiere into account. We needed a new striker so we got one.

boro74 Posted on 30/07/2008 14:59
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A "striker" is an out-an-out goal scorer, also known as a centre forward.

A "forward" could be any attacking forward player, not necessarily playing as the main goal scorer or in a central position.

So, you could be a forward and not be a striker, but if you're a striker then you're automatically a forward.

sasboro1 Posted on 30/07/2008 15:01
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come one Hercules stop getting childish and lets keep it relevant to the topic.

"They'll probably score more goals but like I said in my first post, you can either see it or you can't but Aliadiere is a good footballer, a better footballer than Mido and Tuncay."

and wasnt one of our problems last season we didnt score enough goals. i would have all three strikers ahead of aliadiere. 5 goals a season and 16 all career is just not acceptable at this level. do you really want us to push on from a relegation position/bottom half team? like i said why do you think we splashed out 13m on alves, only 5 months after bringing 3 other strikers in. aliadiere might look good running around the pitch but looking good running around with no end product does not win you matches and push you on. you need better quality which tuncay/alves and mido all are. if you dont put aliadiere behind them 3 then you are pretty clueless to be honest. that was our main problem last year in that we put too much faith in aliadiere for so long

sasboro1 Posted on 30/07/2008 15:03
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"Is that really why we bought Alves? I don't think it is. I don't think the thought process even took Aliadiere into account. We needed a new striker so we got one."

nah we just bought alves for a laugh and cos he was brazilian. nothing to do with scoring goals. wonder why we needed a new striker?

Haile_Selassie Posted on 30/07/2008 15:09
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Just incase anybody is unsure.

Ali's crap.

NedKat Posted on 30/07/2008 15:15
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I'm shocked that someone who's distant relatives were David, King Solomon, and the Queen of fookin' Sheba .. should even dream of such instabilities !!

Lefty Posted on 30/07/2008 15:18
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Have I read this thread right?

Has easycomeeasygo really just had a 50 bet with Sas that Aliadiere will get 15 goals in all competitions?




easycomeeasygo Posted on 30/07/2008 15:19
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he has indeed

Critical_Bill Posted on 30/07/2008 15:25
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Easycome, has your bird dumping you sent you a bit delusional?

easycomeeasygo Posted on 30/07/2008 15:26
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no, the fact my new bird is even better in bed has sent me delusional [;)]

Critical_Bill Posted on 30/07/2008 15:28
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Good to see that you aren't spending your evenings listening constantly to 'Honey(I miss You)' any more.

easycomeeasygo Posted on 30/07/2008 15:30
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cheers bill, i never knew you cared

Lefty Posted on 30/07/2008 15:36
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That is about as stupid a bet as I've seen. Regardless of whether I think he can or can't achieve that total, you could have pitched it originally at around 10-12 and probably still got a bet. You don't play poker much, do you?





easycomeeasygo Posted on 30/07/2008 15:40
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i'm a poker genius lefty.

read the thread in it's entirety mate.

i started the thread by saying i fancy him for 15 goals. im hardly gonna back track and say i'll bet 50 quid he gets 10 now am i??

we'll see how daft a bet it is at the end of the season

Boromart Posted on 30/07/2008 15:47
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"plus tuncay started to find the net" -- Tuncay had one purple patch of scoring in December. This calender year Tuncay 4 goals in 14 starts. Ali 4 goals in 12 starts. That is when tehy were both 100% and fully integrated into the team.

Don't forget that Ali played when injured for a month (Tuncay and Mido were both knacked at this poont), and at the same time played as a lone striker a role that didn't suit him anyway....oh and he also had to carry DGL, Craddock and Hutchison in a handful of other games, which is worse than playing as a lone striker. Tuncay was always alongside another decent player to help him.

"he has evidence to back up that he will score goals as he has done it in the champions elageu and international level."
Irrelevant, so did Schevchenko and he is S*** in the prem.


easycomeeasygo Posted on 30/07/2008 15:49
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magic, boromart.

i love it when you go all statto on us and prove the muppetts are talking sh1t.

well done so

Libbins Posted on 30/07/2008 15:54
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In all fairness, Shevchenko hasnt been given a decent run in Chelsea's team; he's just been dismissed unfairly in my opinion.
The last start he made was when he scored twice against Villa.

Critical_Bill Posted on 30/07/2008 15:55
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He's proving nothing.
Whats's with all this 'calender year' shyte? Just shows have malleable statistics are to suit a certain argument. Ask anyone who watched Aliadiere during the period that Tuncay was supposedly crap at the start of the season.
I bet the majority were 'underwhelmed' to sya the least.

sasboro1 Posted on 30/07/2008 15:56
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clutching at straws there boromart..

no doubt in 12 months time we will be going through the same thing.

unless of course he moves on and then we can all do a cattermole/morrison and say his career hadn't pushed on [;)]

Libbins Posted on 30/07/2008 15:57
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IMO, Tuncay is twice the player Aliadiere is. Better touch, he's better technically, better engine, better technique, better passing. All Aliadiere has on him is his direct running.

Boromart Posted on 30/07/2008 16:00
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"Whats's with all this 'calender year' shyte? Just shows have malleable statistics are to suit a certain argument" --- what was it sas said, oh he has only scored "16 goals and he is 25"....now that is showing how to manipulate stats to suit an argument! Ignores how many games he has started, or minutes on the pitch. I think his whole league career at arsenal amounted to about 9 or 10 games, 900 minutes. That fook all.

Ali sacrificed himself for the good of the team last year, because Tuncay was struggling to adjust and then got injured. Mido was injured. We only had Ali and he was left by hilmself up front. I suspect if Tuncay had played up front by himself his goal per game record wouldn't be looking too clever either.

easycomeeasygo Posted on 30/07/2008 16:03
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plus someone posted earlier that tuncay had found his goalscoring boots towards the end of the season.

im not slagging tuncay but boromart just proved ali's form at the back end of the season was better than tuncays

sasboro1 Posted on 30/07/2008 16:30
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next you wil be blaiming the lack of goals on the new kit design or the wind was too strong

easycomeeasygo Posted on 30/07/2008 16:32
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nah

onthemap Posted on 30/07/2008 16:34
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plus he's French.

Libbins Posted on 30/07/2008 16:36
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and a C****ney.