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PoetLaureate Posted on 23/07/2008 12:34
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

Cattermole does play with a lot of heart but the lad has major negative points in his game, for example he can not read the game at all and does not learn from a game as he does not improve in the next one. I always felt Cattermole should learn from players like Essien and learn to read the game a lot better but whether he is able to do that is very questionable. I think 3.5 million is a massive sum of money for him especially when Morrison was probably a better player than him. I would have liked to see him sent on loan but 3.5 million is alot of money for him.

Sell!!

grantus Posted on 23/07/2008 12:36
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

I think it is on the cheap side myself.

gibosgimp Posted on 23/07/2008 12:37
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

I`m shocked that your shocked....

PoetLaureate Posted on 23/07/2008 12:38
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

How come? He is not really proven and what are his positive points apart from he gives 100%.Seems far to much money is needed to buy english players.

barneyblair Posted on 23/07/2008 12:38
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

i agree grantus, he is an england u21 international! i would think 5 is more suitable, espacially considering reading want over 5's for harper when he is alot older and probs wont improve as much as catts might

rubber_soles Posted on 23/07/2008 12:39
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

4m i would hold out for. I can see Wigan paying that too.

robert_huths_niggling_injuries Posted on 23/07/2008 12:39
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

bite their hands off. i'll give him a piggy back there myself.

he's only slowing josh walkers progress for me

kermit Posted on 23/07/2008 12:43
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

Did Bolton sign Muamba or whatever he's called for 5m?

Is he 1.5m better than Catts?!

I suppose a player is only worth what a club will pay, but am not sure Boro maximise revenue when selling some players.

Charlton managed to somehow squeeze 17m out of Spurs for Bent for example.

mat_evans Posted on 23/07/2008 12:44
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

i think you're well off the pace there Poet.

grantus Posted on 23/07/2008 12:45
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

Look at his age - very young for a centre midfielder.

Look at his pedigree - FA Youth Cup Winner, Capped at various international levels.

look at his experience - over 50 Premiership games, FA Cup, League Cup and UEFA Cup experience.

3.5 is very cheap.

sheppy Posted on 23/07/2008 12:49
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

Wigan are getting a steal, he has massive potential. I agree on some aspects of his game Poet but as a centre midfielder you dont become the finished article at 20 years young. Steve Bruce is getting a belter at a bargin price if you ask me.

dicky2006 Posted on 23/07/2008 12:49
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

Lets just wait till Liverpool make there move :)

hitmanalves Posted on 23/07/2008 12:53
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

I agree with Poet.

Over last 2-3 seasons he has not progressed, ok maybe out of position but if he was good enough he would have been first choice, and seems to have had bit part games for 15 mins when he comes on runs round like an idiot. Last season he was unable to get into a side that was struggling in centre mid big time.

Yes he is young and could improve but even at 20 I think I would take the 3.5m and use the cash to buy a keeper or 1st choice midfielder.

PoetLaureate Posted on 23/07/2008 12:55
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

Cattermole is miles away from players like Fabregas who is similar age. It has nothing to do with his age, the fact he has played over 50 games just show's his major negative point that he does not learn!! he fails to understand the game and still acts like it is his first game.

grantus Posted on 23/07/2008 12:56
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

How well did George do on the right wing?

The only players that we have had limited success, other than Cattermole on the right are Morrison, Maccarone, Downing, Johnson.

All of which are built for life on the wong a hell of a lot more than Super Lee Cattermole.

grantus Posted on 23/07/2008 12:57
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

He doesn't learn?

Do you remember Arsenal away?

Lefty Posted on 23/07/2008 13:04
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

I think it is about the right price.

hitmanalves Posted on 23/07/2008 13:04
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

If Cattermole had been good enough then george would have played on the right.

If the management rated him then they would not have bought digard (even on wenger's advice)

If he was any good he would command a 5m fee like muamba (was 1st choice at brum)

He is not guaranteed first team football and obviously the management wish to use the money elsewhere.

It would be great if all our academy players could play prem league football on a consistent basis but that will never be the case.

Cattermole is in the same position as morrison was and it may be wise for his career to go elsewhere and wish him the best of luck.

br14 Posted on 23/07/2008 13:07
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

"Cattermole is miles away from players like Fabregas"

Yes, and Alves would make a lousy goalkeeper. Fabregas and Cattermole play different roles entirely.

We must be bloody desperate to sell Cattermole. He's only 20 years old but already has several years experience in the Premier League.

Wouldnt be so bad if we needed the money for a decent midfielder but if the press are right we're after Harper.

Cattermole for 3.5 million - if we're desperate for cash - maybe.

Cattermole + 2 million for Harper - very poor business.

mat_evans Posted on 23/07/2008 13:09
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

"Cattermole is miles away from players like Fabregas who is similar age."

ffs Fabregas is a one in a million player.

I certainly don't agree that he doesn't read the game. I think he reads it better than you know. His downfall at the minute is his lack of composure. That is something that comes with age. As Grantus said there are very few centre midfielders who have a complete game by 20. I think Wigan are getting a good deal at 4mil.

PoetLaureate Posted on 23/07/2008 13:18
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

He does not read the game. I am surprised you think he does. If two players were to his right and none to his left he would go the right. He does not anticipate anything and is often stupid and rash in his decisions. I don't care about his age, he will still be making the same mistakes at 30 if he does not learn and if he has not made one improvement in 50 games why will he suddenly make them in the next 50?

It his lack of improvement since his first game which is my main problem as it shows he either does not care about improving his game or lacks the understanding to be able to do it.

sheriff_john_bunnell Posted on 23/07/2008 13:19
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

Cattermole is full of energy, his aggressive tackling is sometimes needed. His passing is far far better than many would give credit for. I saw him in about 3 or 4 games last season and was impressed with his progression. he played good passes and often played the intelligent ball. he is also a good finisher when he gets in the right position, his goal against utd was cracking. someone mentioned arsenal and i think it might have been derby at home where he was far more impressive than shawky.
I cant critisize southgate selling him for harper too much as i know little about harper. what i do know is we desperately need a passer, a creative midfielder and one or two players who are comforatble on the ball, also someone to get in forward positions from midfield. if we get this from emnes and harper then fine sell him. but i have little faith in southgates judgement.

mat_evans Posted on 23/07/2008 13:20
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

His lack of improvement from 17 - 20? Playing right midfield, every now and again?

sheppy Posted on 23/07/2008 13:23
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

Grantus spot on mate, Aresnal away I was there and he bossed it. The previous season he bossed it in the 1-1 draw at Old Trafford. I would not like to see him leave just yet give him a bit more time to mature. The Fabregas comment is a joke as well by the way, Cesc is a freak of nature simple as that. If we compare every midfielder that comes through to him we will be selling them all waiting for "The next Fabregas"!

PoetLaureate Posted on 23/07/2008 13:26
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

Yeah I improved between 17 and 20 in education so why should Cattermole not in football? It does not matter his position he should still learn from each game he plays such as when to stay on his feet etc. You do not need to be in a particular position in order to read the game and learn from it; in fact you do not even need to be on the field to learn! But does he want to improve his game? that is the question.

I merely used Fabregas as an example of a player who learns and improves each game yet is still young!!!

br14 Posted on 23/07/2008 13:26
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

He's 20 years old. Yes. He doesn't read the game as well as Fabregas but you also have to look at the dross he's played alongside.

Boateng, Arca and Rochemback simply don't/didn't have the pace and energy for the Premier League. Admittedly Arca may have been carrying an injury.

You must think Steve Bruce a complete idiot. We're not selling Cattermole because he hasn't improved, but because our manager has the ridiculous idea that he can buy better for not much cash.

PinkPonce Posted on 23/07/2008 13:28
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

I'll keep this very F***ing simple.

Freddy Sears... West Ham United...England U19 (NOT 21's - U19)...Played about 5 times for West Ham.

Price. 6m.

F***ing Outrage. Sack them all.

mat_evans Posted on 23/07/2008 13:29
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

"But does he want to improve his game?"

More than you know mate!!! It's a factor in the reason for him wanting to move. He has no one at the club to learn from anymore. In the sense of a coach or a senior player.

It's a subjective arguement (his development) and i don't agree with what you're saying.

sheriff_john_bunnell Posted on 23/07/2008 13:31
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

OI! STOP SLAGGING OFF ROCKY!!!!!

PoetLaureate Posted on 23/07/2008 13:32
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

Good on him if he wants to improve his game and if he feels he will do that at Wigan (can't think of one player he would learn from) then I wish him all the best but I just have not seen him improve in one aspect of his game. Yet, I do not work at the boro training ground and maybe he does stay behind and practise or watch tapes etc I do not know.

If he leaves I wish him all the best and I just think he has so much potential but he just needs to focus more and reach that potential, maybe moving away from Boro will help him.

mat_evans Posted on 23/07/2008 13:33
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

Which is why he needs to go out on a season long loan.

PoetLaureate Posted on 23/07/2008 13:35
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

I would accept that. However, from the way Southgate has being speaking that is not an option he will take up. Although, we could maybe do a deal with wigan in which he goes on loan and they have first choice on him next summer, but how much does southgate need the money?

heaton_mersey_boro Posted on 23/07/2008 13:36
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

Southgate as a player was a 100% dedicated professional.

He sees Cattermoles' "off pitch antics", does'nt like his off the field behavior, so wants rid. Nothing to do with how good a player he "may" become.

Look at all of the players he has bought so far - none have any sort of reputation off the pitch, easier for him to manage.

Just a thought.

sheriff_john_bunnell Posted on 23/07/2008 13:39
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

i think you're right heaton. he wants players that won't laugh at his coldplay slideshows.

byrno Posted on 23/07/2008 13:39
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

Have i missed something. Did Wenger reccomend Digard to GS?

I think its a decent amount of money for Catts, but when you campare how much Muamba went to Bolton for i think we should be asking for more.

We should keep him though imo, and send him out on loan for a few months.

OxonBoro Posted on 23/07/2008 13:40
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

Can people stop saying Wenger recommended Digard its blatently bollox

if muamba is worth 5 mil 3.5 is a steal for catts

joseph99 Posted on 23/07/2008 13:41
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

Graham Kavannah and Greening were both better than Cattermole and neither were good enough for the premiership. Hands rip off.

mat_evans Posted on 23/07/2008 13:41
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

"Have i missed something. Did Wenger reccomend Digard to GS?"

Yes, he did.

"Look at all of the players he has bought so far - none have any sort of reputation off the pitch, easier for him to manage."


Mido doesn't have the best of reputations does he?

PoetLaureate Posted on 23/07/2008 13:42
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

I would never trust wenger. He told Sven to take Walcott to the world cup and look how that worked out [:)] Digard looks good tho.

mat_evans Posted on 23/07/2008 13:44
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

Was very impressed with Digard last night. He's a strong runner with the ball too, which makes a change from your bog standard defensive midfielder.

OxonBoro Posted on 23/07/2008 13:44
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

If Wenger recommended him after Flamini has left surely he cant think that highly of him or he would be after him for arsenal surely ..............

heaton_mersey_boro Posted on 23/07/2008 13:45
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

Mido has a "reputation" for having a bad attitude, sulking, demanding transfers etc.

Off field not aware he has caused any problems.

Unlikely to get p*ssed up down Boro at the weekends and start acting like a tvvat......[:)]

mat_evans Posted on 23/07/2008 13:46
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

Who said he rated him highly?! prob's said he'd do a good job for the boro [:)]

Stabilo_Boss Posted on 23/07/2008 13:48
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

Our midfield was awful last year and for whatever reason he did not force his way into it. That has to tell you something.

Would all those criticising his potential sale be happy going into the new season with him as one of our 2 first choice centre midfielders?

Thought not.

OxonBoro Posted on 23/07/2008 13:48
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

More likely he never said anything and its just a rumour

its_tuncay_time Posted on 23/07/2008 13:51
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

4 Million for Cattermole to Wigan? I think that's good for both clubs. Catt's could benefit from a move away from the Boro.

mat_evans Posted on 23/07/2008 13:55
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

It's not a case of him stepping into the team now, it's more to do with him growing into the role in the next three years, maybe with the aid of a loan year.

Stabilo_Boss Posted on 23/07/2008 14:00
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

"You must think Steve Bruce a complete idiot"

Well, he swapped Andy Johnson for Clinton Morrison so his judgement can be a touch questionable...

AlBoro1984 Posted on 23/07/2008 14:07
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

Steve Bruce isn't really a magician in the transfer market...He bought most of the S***e that got Birmingham relegated last season.


PinkPonce Posted on 23/07/2008 14:10
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

I'll keep this very F***ing simple.

Freddy Sears... West Ham United...England U19 (NOT 21's - U19)...Played about 5 times for West Ham.

Price. 6m.

F***ing Outrage. Sack them all.

captain5 Posted on 23/07/2008 14:11
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

People keep forgetting that he may want to leave.

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 23/07/2008 14:14
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

I have no doubt that this is more about Cattermoles attitude and approach than it is about his ability.

He and Southgate do not see eye to eye and I think this is behind the reason to sell, rather than anything else.

The fee seems fair to me, Muabma was playing regular first team football last season and the season before, Cattermole wasn't

AlBoro1984 Posted on 23/07/2008 14:14
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

Whats Freddy Sears got to do with anything. He is still at West Ham isn't he?

PinkPonce Posted on 23/07/2008 14:19
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

Al Boro I'll make this easy for you.

Freddy Sears... West Ham United...England U19 (NOT 21's - U19)...Played about 5 times for West Ham.

Price. 6m.

Lee Cattermole....Middlesbrough....England U21.....Played numerous games at int level and circa 80 Premiership appearences, Uefa Cup Final and Games against Roma away Etc.

Price 3m.

Its an absolute F***ing outrage. 3 Million F***ing quid, and all just so we spend it all and more on James Harper. Someone needs shooting if this happens.

Kilburn Posted on 23/07/2008 14:19
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

Cattermole's career has already peaked.

He came in and made a great impression with his energy, passion and committment, and the way he played without fear.

That is what has got him this far, but what he needs to maintain a career as a top-level central midfielder once the initial adrenalin rush has worn off is a to be good technically and possess a good footballing brain.

Does he have either of these to a high enough level? I don't think so, and it looks like Boro's coaching staff think the same. Bruce clearly thinks otherwise, as do many of the posters on this thread. We'll just have to wait and see.

My money is on him being filed in the same category as Pollock and Stamp. Looked great early on, but found out by a combination of bad lifestyle habits and a lack of quality in the end.

captain5 Posted on 23/07/2008 14:19
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

Where's Sears moved to, Ponce??

mickbrown Posted on 23/07/2008 14:20
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

6 Million for Sears? Who's bought him?

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 23/07/2008 14:22
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

What Sears represents is potential, rather than the realisation of it which is much more the case with Cattermole.

Arsenal paid 1 for Jemaine Pennant before he had even kicked a ball in anger at a pro level.

PinkPonce Posted on 23/07/2008 14:22
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

He hasn't moved anywhere Captain / Mick but thats the figure quoted in the press....

Its always the same for us... Hence why Downing will eventually move for no more than 11m and why yakubu went for 11.25.... We undervalue out players yet get battered when buying them.

Reading are having our pants down.

OxonBoro Posted on 23/07/2008 14:22
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

Has this turned into a Football Manager thread Sears hasnt moved anywhere ??

captain5 Posted on 23/07/2008 14:23
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

Ponce is just being daft.

He'll probably point out how similar their roles of defensive midfielder and striker are, next and how defensive midfielders are worth more money.

PinkPonce Posted on 23/07/2008 14:29
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

No i'm not.

If we were trying to sign Lee Cattermole, we would pay 5m quid for him.

Think about it and you know its true

mickbrown Posted on 23/07/2008 14:31
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

Who's quoted 6million?

You're also comparing apples and cheese.

captain5 Posted on 23/07/2008 14:32
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

Well, we've just paid 4 million for someone who looks better than him, so I can see where you're coming from with that one, obviously.

PinkPonce Posted on 23/07/2008 14:36
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

If we had tried to sign Yakubu from Everton, we'd have paid 15m for him. We sold him for 11.25

If we were Selling James Harper to reading, we'd receive 3.5m max for him. We are buying for nigh on 5m

need I go on?

captain5 Posted on 23/07/2008 14:38
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

We bought Yakubu for 7.5 million and sold him for 11.25 million.

You don't know what we'd receive for James Harper.

You can keep on talking bollox all you like; you're good at it.

3.5 million is a good price for a player only on the fringes of our squad and the move is good for both us and him.

Capybara Posted on 23/07/2008 14:40
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

Players are worth what one club is prepared to pay and what another is prepared to accept. And that's it. It's not like ticking a set of boxes and those players that tick boxes a, b and c all go for the same amount.

And I'd rather you had said Christmas cake and cheese mick.

joseph99 Posted on 23/07/2008 14:41
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

Cattermole types are two-a-penny in The Campionship. Snap Wigan's hands off.

PinkPonce Posted on 23/07/2008 14:43
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

you've definately got little mans syndrome captain.

calm down ffs.

mickbrown Posted on 23/07/2008 14:43
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

Xmas cake and cheese? Filthy animals.

Actually thinking about it Ponce might have a point. Ricketts? Christ we did you there.

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 23/07/2008 14:46
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

If the question is Harper of Cattermole I would without a doubt go for the former, no contest.

Can anyone honestly see Cattermole ever being a certain starter week in week out for us, because I can't.

captain5 Posted on 23/07/2008 14:46
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

I'm perfectly calm.

You're the one 'F***ing' outraged.

Drama queen with handbag raised??

You're just wrong.

Wrong about his value and wrong in the comparison you've used.

mat_evans Posted on 23/07/2008 14:47
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

You certainly did....if only we were buying and selling by the lbs.

PinkPonce Posted on 23/07/2008 14:49
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

Captain - if we enquired for Yakubu how much would we be quoted?

Couldn't care less what we paid for him. His markewt value at the time was 14m+ Top premiership goalscorer currently in teh league and was when we sold him.

We always do it.

I'm right btw.

captain5 Posted on 23/07/2008 14:51
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

Try your argument about us paying too much and use it on Luke Young, Tuncay or Arca.

PinkPonce Posted on 23/07/2008 14:53
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

Tuncay was a free agent technically so doesn't count....

try not hiding from the questions posed (i.e Yakubu above)

If we sell downing do you think we will get anything over 15m (his value to us) or do you think it will be a figure closer to 10-12...

captain5 Posted on 23/07/2008 14:55
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

I do think we'll get rid of Downing for more than 15 million, yes.

You don't think we overpaid for Tuncay then, as "we always do it"??

Young, Arca??

I'd love to know how much you think Cattermole is actually worth. [:D]

mailinator Posted on 23/07/2008 14:56
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

Is he comparing the suggested price we may be selling a player for to the price that no-one is paying to not buy Sears?

How can you ever be 'right' about that?

mickbrown Posted on 23/07/2008 14:56
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

Yakuba was the League's top scorer? Really?

captain5 Posted on 23/07/2008 14:57
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

He's a BMW driver, mail.

Who'd have thought you'd get the personality before you got the car??

captain5 Posted on 23/07/2008 14:58
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

mick - he means that he was the player left in the league who had scored the most goals in it,as Henry had left the country.


PinkPonce Posted on 23/07/2008 15:00
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

Captain - given that he's english, numerous appearences in premiership, cup, european competition, still youung and an u21 international, i think we should be holding out for between 4.5-5.5m.

We are paying similar for Harper, who may be older but has played the majority of his career in the lower leagues for Cardiff and Reading, has not represented england at any level and will not improve.

I don't think its too much to ask. 3m is an absolute joke, I'm sorry.

Mick, Yakubu has scored more premiership goals than any player currently plying their trade there. It was Henry and Then Yak, but Henry left.

grantus Posted on 23/07/2008 15:01
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

PinkPonce.

How much did Real Madrid pay Manchester United for David Beckham?
How about Barcelona for Thiery Henry?
How much did Leeds and United pay for Cantona?

Alternatively, teams that have overspent?
Or Manchester United to the Italians for Juan Sebastian Veron?
What about Chelsea to Manchester City for Sean Wright Phillips?
How much did Newcastle pay for Boumsong?

How much did Boro pay for Young? What about Woodgate, Pogatetz? Viduka? Hasselbaink? Not much really?

It happens to every club. It's not just about the Boro.

mickbrown Posted on 23/07/2008 15:02
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

Ah - top bit of spinning that Ponce.

mailinator Posted on 23/07/2008 15:02
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

Considering he only had 2 years left on his contract, the figure seems pretty typical.

PinkPonce Posted on 23/07/2008 15:06
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

No spinning mick - its a clear and well known fact.

Grantus - you're now compairing apples and cheese....

Think about Middlesbroughs signings... Yes we have had some bargains (Luke Young and Tuncay being 2 of them) but considering Arca is supposedly a bad player now then surely the 2.5m was a waste.. but that's being pedantic.

We are letting catts go for at least a million below his worth - see my earlier thread for the reasons why.

Harper has done nothing more to merit a price tag over 2m more.... We are paying over the odds because arsenal are due 40%... and because of this we aren't walking away and taking our business elsewhere. We are selling cattermole on the cheap to fund it.

Its a joke.

Capybara Posted on 23/07/2008 15:07
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

What about Micheal Owen?

mailinator Posted on 23/07/2008 15:07
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

You need to stop passing off your odd opinions as facts.

mickbrown Posted on 23/07/2008 15:08
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

But there are loads of players who've scored more goals, so it's maybe a fact but it means nowt.

captain5 Posted on 23/07/2008 15:08
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

We MAY BE paying more for Harper.

We will be getting at least 3.5 million for Cattermole as that's the latest bid in for someone who is a squad player at best in a lower table team, where midfield was the weakest area (apart from Downing) previously, that he couldn't break into.

Most people seem to be suggesting that if we do keep him that we would send him out on loan. That will be him having only a year left at the end of this season, when his value will only go down.

captain5 Posted on 23/07/2008 15:10
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

For those blokes a bit more worldly wise than me, is this what being married is like??

mickbrown Posted on 23/07/2008 15:10
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

And Dwight Yorke.

grantus Posted on 23/07/2008 15:11
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

Ponce, I refere you to the second post on this thread.

Then my posts at 12.45, 12.56 and 12.57.

You are agreeing with me over Cattermole. I am disagreeing with you over player pricing.

mailinator Posted on 23/07/2008 15:13
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

No captain, this is what your girlfriend you dump before you then go on to find one you would like to marry is like.

PinkPonce Posted on 23/07/2008 15:22
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

Captain would be lucky to find 2 birds that want to marry him.

Grantus - sorry, glad you agree on catts though.

mickbrown Posted on 23/07/2008 15:25
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

Ponce - so you're wrong on the Yakuba being the Premiserships highest goalscorer then?

captain5 Posted on 23/07/2008 15:44
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

He 'doesn't do' being wrong.

PinkPonce Posted on 23/07/2008 15:45
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

Mick How was I wrong?

At the time we sold Yakubu, no current premiership player had scored more goals!

Thierry henry had, but he had left arsenal. Why is that so hard to understand?

What that says is he is consistently a good goalscorer in this league and we let him go without w whimper for 11.25m

sitheman Posted on 23/07/2008 15:52
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

take the money and run. i bet southgate feels like a second hand car delaer with that deal.

eh yeah mr bruce he's a smashing lad with a massive contribution to the team, i really dont know what we are going to do without him.

mickbrown Posted on 23/07/2008 15:58
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

How were you wrong?

You sold Yakubu in August 2007. Michael Owen was at Newcastle and he's scored more than Yakubu.

Dwight Yorke was also at Sunderland. He's also scored more than Yakubu.

You're wronger than Mr Wrong from Wrongsville, Arizona.

PinkPonce Posted on 23/07/2008 16:06
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

Mick - Accepted with Owen.... Not sure where that info came from as it is obvious Captain 5 had heard the same thing.

captain5 Posted on 23/07/2008 16:09
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

The one I heard was he had been the top scorer apart from Henry over x previous seasons at that time. Seems some people will just use stats to prove whatever point they're trying to make.

Saying that I heard that Sears hadn't been sold and that we got a bargain at 2 million for Luke Young.

Boromad Posted on 23/07/2008 16:21
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

Shout me down if you want to, but I think this is a mistake. Catt is young although he has gained experience. People think he is all about aggression, but I disagree. He can pass a ball and gets on the end of things. Yes he tackles. And sometimes he does superbly, sometimes he mistimes them, but he needed a consistent run in the side. He could have been the replacement for George, but his attitude has done for him eventually. Good luck to him. I suspect he will trun out to be a good player after all.

PinkPonce Posted on 23/07/2008 16:25
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

lol captain.

well that must have been the same one i heard.

mailinator Posted on 23/07/2008 16:28
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

So after all that, you were wrong.

barneyblair Posted on 23/07/2008 16:29
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

Well Done Poet on your TON

captain5 Posted on 23/07/2008 16:30
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

Boromad - how much longer would you have given him??

Think how little he played last season and then look at the number of bookings he picked up.

He had a habit of putting in a slide tackle, whether late or legitimate; the crowd would sing his name for the next minute and he'd wander round for the next 5 minutes looking pleased with himself, contributing little to the game.

3.5 million is a lot of money for a squad player. I wouldn't like to think we were paying that much for a squad player from another club.

PoetLaureate Posted on 23/07/2008 16:33
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

I have not had this many post's since I questioned the support of the southern branch of boro fans [:P]

grantus Posted on 23/07/2008 16:34
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

Don't you f'cking start!

PoetLaureate Posted on 23/07/2008 16:36
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

Just to add a post I honestly regret now! [:)]

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 23/07/2008 17:25
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

'I wouldn't like to think we were paying that much for a squad player from another club.'

O'neil?

captain5 Posted on 23/07/2008 17:29
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

I'm not a huge fan of O' Neil but he'd played 30 odd games each of the two previous seasons for Pompey before we signed him.

Hardly the same as Cattermole.

Jam! Posted on 23/07/2008 17:35
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

3.5 million for a trouble causing bench warmer is a good price for me.


He just hasn't progressed since he made his debut and I don't think he has shown any signs that he is going to. He could be a good player but not here, time to move on, 3.5 million thanks you very much.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 23/07/2008 17:37
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

I agree Captain, O'neil's a far better player, despite him not being up to the job here. We were taken to the cleaners by Pompey, we're now doing the same to Wigan.

Senor_Chester Posted on 23/07/2008 18:45
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

It seems the only thing he has going for him is youth, and how many other younger 'the next.....' players have we had who have disappeared after doing nothing.

For what I've seen of him I couldn't see him making it at the moment. Put it this way, from what you've seen of Cattermole the people who are defending him, would you be happy to sign him for 3.5m?

The_Dude Posted on 23/07/2008 19:03
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

the problem with cattermole is his technique, he's a million miles away from being able to play to a technically high standard, added to the fact he's also quite small and slow

HolgateEnd Posted on 23/07/2008 20:36
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

Maybe he would have progressed if Southgate had played Cattemole in his proper position for a decent run of games.

The main run of games he had was on the right hand side. Not surprising you all think he's shyte. If we had seen him play regularly in his favoured central midfield role maybe we would have the player we all thought he would turn in to.

I still think he'll go to Wigan, be played in his rightful position and go on to become a quality central midfielder. If I knew how to go and put not-normal-bets on with guaranteed odds, I'd be straight down the bookies to bet that Cattermole is sold in the future for more than Shawky, Digard, Walker, Harper or any other central midfielder whose either at the club or who we've been linked with.

And mark my words, he will come back to haunt us as a better version of Robbie Savage (who although we all hate to admit it, is actually a quality player).

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 23/07/2008 20:40
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

I don't think Southgate has a problem with Cattermoles ability TBH, I rather think its an question of hi attitude.

HolgateEnd Posted on 23/07/2008 20:45
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

So rather than try to harness or improve the problem as the best managers would have done, he's getting shot?

I'm sure he'll regret it in a couple of years when Bruce has handles Catts properly and turned him into the 7-8m player he has the potential to become.

Spartan Posted on 23/07/2008 20:47
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

Is there a Zanzi bar in Wigan? I can see Catts being in for a massive culture shock if there isn't.

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 23/07/2008 20:48
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

What, like Ferguson did with some of his best players such as Beckham, Stam & Ince & Van Nistelrooy?

Southgate has given him his chance and made up his mind.

Towell Posted on 23/07/2008 20:51
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

I doubt we'll actually receive 3.5 million up front anyway it will be based on apperances.

I also think it's cheap and Harper is overpriced, 3.5 is nowt in todays game especially given prices paid for young english players.

I do also think that a move would be good for Cattermole.

KobeB Posted on 23/07/2008 21:00
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

The main run of games he had was on the right hand side. Not surprising you all think he's shyte. If we had seen him play regularly in his favoured central midfield role maybe we would have the player we all thought he would turn in to.

.......

Gerrard played nearly 2 season RM and added an attacking play to his game and turned into arguably the best centre mid in the country.

Lampard played most of Raneari's first season LM and added a load to his game.

Cattermole added nothing, didn't learn anything and followed the Jonny Woodgate off the pitch antics so no wonder he's getting sold.

alvesdad Posted on 23/07/2008 21:21
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

I think Wigan are getting a steal
Under 21 England players at 3. 5 million
Are we becoming a selling club selling off the family jewels.

HolgateEnd Posted on 23/07/2008 21:59
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

"Gerrard played nearly 2 season RM and added an attacking play to his game and turned into arguably the best centre mid in the country."

Kobe, you are talking total and utter shyte. Read Gerrard's book and you will know what I mean.

Johnny, he let Beckham and R.V.N. go when they were just past the peak of their career and at a stage where their value would go down and in Stam/RVN's cases, entering the last year or so of their contracts. With Stam, it was purely and simply because he published a book confirming that Man U had tapped him up, without telling Man U what he was doing. With Beckham it was more the media circus that follows him around that Fergie didnt like, not his attitude. And for every example you've given, there's one where they kept the player and turned them into world class ones - Cantona for one, Keane's temprement in his early career and so on.

Also, remember that Graham Taylor said Giggs would never make a premier league player, never mind be good enough to play for England. And look how that turned out. Southgate may not be saying it publicly, but thats what he's suggesting by selling Cattermole without giving him a proper run of 1st team games in his proper position.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 23/07/2008 22:31
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

'turned him into the 7-8m player he has the potential to become'

He watches him in training every day, surely he'd know over the last couple of years how he's developing. I haven't seen any evidence to suggest that sort of price tag in the future. I'm actually surprised a Premier League club has come in for him at all. Southgate will be rubbing his hands together.

TrappaTony Posted on 23/07/2008 22:51
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

dont become the finished article at 20 years young.

That is exactly the problem with this lad - he thought he was the finished article on his debut. He is so limited as a footballer but his biggest problem is his ego and his off field antics would appear to confirm this analysis.

HolgateEnd Posted on 23/07/2008 22:52
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

Corcaigh, he is 20 years old. How many central midfielders are first team regulars at 20?

Even Gerrard couldnt get a game at 20, but Liverpool kept faith and believed in him and look at the lad now.

TrappaTony Posted on 23/07/2008 23:03
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

Comparisons are odious, so the saying goes. To compare Gerrard and Cattermole is nothing short of ludicrous, simply because there isn't one.

Cattermole is not fit to be on the same pitch.

redwurzel Posted on 24/07/2008 01:01
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

I say again many on here we saying last season Catts was the new Jamie Pollock. Suddenly when we go to sell him he is better.

Facts

He is not a regular Premiership Player
He is not a regular England Under 21
I don't think he scored last season - the goal againt MU was season before last
I remember one good game last season Arsenal away.
I remember he has some shockers last season.
He made no progress last season.

Imo 4m or even 3.5m is a good price for a squad player, we bought Emnes for 3.2m and in 45 minutes he looked to have more about him than Catts.

br14 Posted on 24/07/2008 01:50
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

Like some others on here I'm guessing that it's down to a clash of personalities - not necessarily performance.

If Southgate can't manage a 20 year old whats he going to do with a 25 year old with a bit of attitude.

We should be waiting until players are 22+ before letting them move on. You can't tell the potential of a player at aged 20. Usually they haven't even fully developed physically (Rooney excluded).

Now we'll pay 5 million for a player who is 27 - will want a big salary and a long term contract - and who isn't that much better than Cattermole.

Dumbest thing I've seen the club do in a while.

PAULIEJ Posted on 24/07/2008 05:34
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

Catts wil sign for Wigan on monday for 4 million. Thats my last word on the subject.

Fletch Posted on 24/07/2008 06:56
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

How many FIFA-approved A-license football coaching badge holders or ex pro footballers are on this thread?

Reading it you would think there were stacks of them

KobeB Posted on 24/07/2008 07:21
I am shocked he is worth 3.5 million.

HolgateEnd


I've not read his book, nor do i intend to. Fire away if you wan't to add more to your comments.

Fact is though, he played many games RM and i've heard him say in many interviews how it helped him improve his game.