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scoea Posted on 16/11 9:13
Feeling festive?

Well I am.

Just heard the new Band Aid single. Obviously not as good as the original but decent enough.

Anyway, favourite things about Christmas?
What makes it 'feel' like Christmas for you?

No cynics thank you (that means you Bandito )!

deganya Posted on 16/11 9:53
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hate it!! just for the kids, its too comercialised, and its the time of the year when its bloody cold, and thinking of a holiday in Teneriffe.

boro_bliss Posted on 16/11 9:57
re: Feeling festive?

I hate it too!
Christmas is one of the worst things ever.
Who needs it?
I can't wait it to be over.

estonred Posted on 16/11 9:59
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Its chite.
An over commercialised ripoff which has lost its true meaning!

boro_bliss Posted on 16/11 10:01
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...and where everybody has to be happy, because it's Christmas time...

DybuksChampion Posted on 16/11 10:04
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Normally involves us coming up from nottingham and spending about 10 days travelling numerous times between the boro and newcastle where the good lady wife's parents live trying to be cheerful.

Fun? I don't think so.

Buddy Posted on 16/11 10:04
re: Feeling festive?

Top Christmas Tip.

Treat it as just another day. Then you'll be mildly impressed with the good bits and not really disappointed with the not so good bits.

Half the problem is that people build themselves up and up and up and then when it's not absolutely perfect they lose the plot.

speckyget Posted on 16/11 10:05
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Yeah, gratuitous niceness and present giving. What's all that about then? Bah, striped confectionery.

Piquet2 Posted on 16/11 10:06
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What a miserable bunch, I love it.......

Sean_Eton Posted on 16/11 10:10
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I love christams too, it's a great time of the year, out just about everynight getting ratted...hang on a second, it's like that all year round...yeah it's s***

borofc86 Posted on 16/11 10:11
re: Feeling festive?

i love christmas

fave time of the year, and the kids are always really excited and happy!

not feeling too festive at the moment though - tis only november.

will be more in the mood at the end of the month when i get home from work, will not be working again till mid-january so looking forward to that.

Capybara Posted on 16/11 10:13
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Christmas when it comes is fine. But it's a long time coming and that's where the misery lies. Brace yourselves for the visit-the-pub-once-a-year-and-don't-know-how-to-conduct-themselves types

sasboro Posted on 16/11 10:13
re: Feeling festive?

drink and eat loads and sit in front of tv watching repeats of old films, while letting rip and blaming it on the dog

London_Boro Posted on 16/11 10:15
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Sas...Our dogs used to get loads of stick from the old man for that after 4-5 pints before Christmas Dinner.

Chrismas Day farts are the worst ever !!!!

RAZMOND_HWDR Posted on 16/11 10:16
re: Feeling festive?

wtf is christmas? It seems to be just about making money.

Piquet2 Posted on 16/11 10:19
re: Feeling festive?

You mean the ones who order a round of drinks and order the Guiness last?

scoea Posted on 16/11 10:19
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Not for me it's not.

RAZMOND_HWDR Posted on 16/11 10:20
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or loosing money.

Piquet2 Posted on 16/11 10:21
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Christmas is what you make of it yourself, if you want to go around looking for the negative side of it, suit yourselves.

RAZMOND_HWDR Posted on 16/11 10:22
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isn`t christmas a religious thing made to be a commercial entity for making cash?

Capybara Posted on 16/11 10:22
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Those are the ones

Piquet2 Posted on 16/11 10:25
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I'm areligious so don't give a toss.

RAZMOND_HWDR Posted on 16/11 10:26
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so why celebrate christmas then?

sasboro Posted on 16/11 10:28
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as a kid, i would always buy the radio /tv times and plan my schedule of tv watching.

then once I hit about 16/17 xmas was just all about going out at 2pm on xmas eve in the madison then ending up in the mall and then home and xmas dinner about 2pm then down rthe local for xmas day night pints at 7pm. then all day drinking on boxing day or at a boro game.

Piquet2 Posted on 16/11 10:29
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I celebrate the time of the year, it doesn't have be celebrated religiously, it's nice to see family members that I don't see for most of the year.

RAZMOND_HWDR Posted on 16/11 10:31
re: Feeling festive?

so you are celebrating the end of the year the run up to new years eve and new years day and infact NOT christmas at all?

scoea Posted on 16/11 10:32
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Exactly Piquet. It may be a religious celebration but not being particularly religious does not mean that you shouldn't enjoy the time of year.

I love it. Snow, carols, gifts, seeing friends and family etc etc.

No Raz, you're missing the point. Again.

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Piquet2 Posted on 16/11 10:33
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If that's what you say.....

RAZMOND_HWDR Posted on 16/11 10:34
re: Feeling festive?

christmas is a religous celebration christs mas. If you want to rebadge it for yourself and loose the meaning just so you can have an excuse to get merry (drunk) then that is up to you.

Piquet2 Posted on 16/11 10:35
re: Feeling festive?

OK I will, thanks.....

RAZMOND_HWDR Posted on 16/11 10:37
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you have no respect.

Red_Slim Posted on 16/11 10:38
re: Feeling festive?

The industry I work in practically shuts down at Christmas.

Love or hate the day itself, the holiday alone is worth celebrating and because everyone else is off, there's no mountain of work to walk back into).

I love Christmas me.

sunset_over_ici Posted on 16/11 10:39
re: Feeling festive?

It's turned into something much more widely celebrated than a religious festival with far reaching cultural significance. And if you want to be so pedantic then you should be asking why we aren't celebrating the original pagan festival the Christans took on for theirselves.

What's the harm if people want to make a few weeks a year special? The last thing the world needs is more cynicism.

Valentine's Day on the other hand...

Piquet2 Posted on 16/11 10:40
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I do, but I'm not religious, so don't try and lecture me on it.

BoroMutt Posted on 16/11 10:42
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Christmas was originally a pagan festival anyway so all you atheists and pagans can join in if you like!

But not feeling festive at all. For various reasons.

sasboro Posted on 16/11 10:42
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xmas hype should only start the week leading upto xmas and not in november like the commercial side of it starts.
at the moment many peoiple get fed up with xmas before it even starts because of the 2 month run up to xmas

RAZMOND_HWDR Posted on 16/11 10:43
re: Feeling festive?

but where abuse religion by calling these days The Christmas Period.

It is a clear abuse of a religion - taking something that they see as special and meaningful just so you can have time off to get plastered.

scoea Posted on 16/11 10:43
re: Feeling festive?

What tosh Razmond.

Christmas is the celebration of Christ's birth. For me, it isn't about going to Church or anything like that. It is about a celebration of a set of morals and beliefs such as family, peace, goodwill etc.

I celebrate it with loved ones where we enjoy good food and drink, enjoy each other's company and generally put everything else that is cynical and bad about the world to one side.

If that is cheapening it and showing a lack of respect then so be it.

sunset_over_ici Posted on 16/11 10:43
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That's true sas. I love Christmas but refuse anything to do with it until I put my advent calender up on Dec 1.

Piquet2 Posted on 16/11 10:44
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Who's taking time off to get plastered? Or are you talking about yourself?

scoea Posted on 16/11 10:46
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What is wrong with looking forward to it and planning it? It is a special time of year for me and mine so I get festive early. Nothing to do with commerce at all.

wilfym Posted on 16/11 10:53
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I FOR ONE WILL BE HAVING TIME OFF,GETTING PLASTERED and EATING THE COMBINED YEARLY FOOD ALLOWANCE OF BERNARD MANNING and DAWN FRENCH.
MERRY XMAS TO YOU ALL

RAZMOND_HWDR Posted on 16/11 10:55
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me too.

RAZMOND_HWDR Posted on 16/11 10:58
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just can`t stand the abuse of the word 'Christmas'.

scoea Posted on 16/11 10:58
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Eh?

RAZMOND_HWDR Posted on 16/11 11:01
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taking a religious word and meaning and misusing it.

Piquet2 Posted on 16/11 11:03
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So what you are sayingis because I'm not religious I have no right to celebrate or enjoy Christmas?

scoea Posted on 16/11 11:03
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In what way is it misused or abused?

forever_boro Posted on 16/11 11:09
re: Feeling festive?

If you are not religious, celebrate the winter fest which is what this time of the year was... before the christians pinched it.

scoea Posted on 16/11 11:09
re: Feeling festive?

Surely the Christian religion is about peace, goodwill, being good and generous etc. So even if somebody is not religious and not Christian, enjoying and being part of Christmas can only be a good thing and a positive reflection of the religion.

Rather than being an abuse or misuse, it is a promotion of the beliefs that are central to Christianity that those of us that are not particularly religious should be encouraged to enjoy?

RAZMOND_HWDR Posted on 16/11 11:11
re: Feeling festive?

'enjoying and being part of Christmas '

being part of christmas would be celebrating the birth of christ. Not sitting around and watching the queens speech and then a bond film.

RAZMOND_HWDR Posted on 16/11 11:13
re: Feeling festive?

exactly it shoould be a celebration of the winter festival.

gravy173 Posted on 16/11 11:14
re: Feeling festive?

Christmas is the best time of year, especially if it snows when i'm off work, turn the fire on on a weekday afternoon just before christmas, look out of the window and put some sinatra on whilst watching christmas specials on UKGold from an era when christmas telly was good.

par rum pum pum puuuum!

Note to Sas, i did the radio times thing aswell







New year is a pile of crap though.

spiros1 Posted on 16/11 11:14
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christmas eve in the madison sas now that does bring back some memorys

Tickets only of course!

boro_bliss Posted on 16/11 11:20
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Christmas is not about being religious or not.
It's about family, being together etc.
But I personally don't like it at all.

RAZMOND_HWDR Posted on 16/11 11:21
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'Christmas is not about being religious or not'

a contradiction in terms

boro_bliss Posted on 16/11 11:24
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No it is not.
It doesn't matter if you are religious or not.

RAZMOND_HWDR Posted on 16/11 11:26
re: Feeling festive?

'christmas' is a religous festival celebrating the birth of christ.

some people watch too much tv!!

FW_2 Posted on 16/11 11:27
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I love Christmas but it's still a bit early for me to start feeling festive.

However, the absolute bestest thing about Christmas for us for the last few years - and I've said this before on here so prepare to be bored those folks who've heard it before - is when we put the kids to bed on Christmas Eve. I go up to tell them a story while Mr FW2 goes outside underneath their windows and shakes some sleigh bells - the look on their little faces is priceless and I am immediately shooed out of the room and their eyes are clamped tightly shut.

Not sure how much longer we can get away with it with the oldest one now, in fact I don't think she'll fall for it this year, but the wee one will still be ecstatic.


GrumpyOldGit Posted on 16/11 11:28
re: Feeling festive?

Festive? Oh, sod off, it's far too early for that. It's bad enough when it gets here, so I don't want to think about it now.
A week of feeling like s**t because of eating and drinking too much.
Still, some traditions have to be upheld.

wilfym Posted on 16/11 11:29
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I will be having one for jesus before i wack into my xmas dinner...then i might have another one or two after,merry xmas.

boro_bliss Posted on 16/11 11:31
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You can celebrate the birth of Christ if you want to, Razmond.
But some people don't believe in that religious stuff, simply as that.

Piquet2 Posted on 16/11 11:31
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....make the most of it you people with little 'uns, they don't stay like that for long.

RAZMOND_HWDR Posted on 16/11 11:35
re: Feeling festive?

'You can celebrate the birth of Christ if you want to, Razmond.
But some people don't believe in that religious stuff, simply as that.'

So they should not be celebrating Christmas then, if they do not believe in it!!

As I said before it is an excuse for some people to get bladdered!

wilfym Posted on 16/11 11:38
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nothing wrong with getting mullered..he turned water into wine remember.

boro_bliss Posted on 16/11 11:40
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I think everybody has the right to celebrate Christmas, no matter if he/she is religious or not.

forever_boro Posted on 16/11 11:40
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this might add a bit of light on the subject.

Link: christmas

wilfym Posted on 16/11 11:43
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Glasgow kelvin what??????

scoea Posted on 16/11 11:49
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Raz - are you religious?

RAZMOND_HWDR Posted on 16/11 11:49
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no.

scoea Posted on 16/11 11:50
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Do you do anything at Christmas?

RAZMOND_HWDR Posted on 16/11 11:55
re: Feeling festive?

I do stuff around that time, however, I do not celebrate the birth of christ in any way because I do not believe in the story.

scoea Posted on 16/11 12:03
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What stuff do you do?

RAZMOND_HWDR Posted on 16/11 12:11
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I spend money on presents!!

scoea Posted on 16/11 12:11
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Seems to go against every point you have made in this thread though doesn't it?

RAZMOND_HWDR Posted on 16/11 12:23
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why? your breaking up now, not... quite... making... sense...

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scoea Posted on 16/11 12:27
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You buy people presents for Christmas yet you are not religious.

"isn`t christmas a religious thing made to be a commercial entity for making cash?"

"So they should not be celebrating Christmas then, if they do not believe in it!!"

RAZMOND_HWDR Posted on 16/11 12:30
re: Feeling festive?

'You buy people presents for Christmas yet you are not religious.'

I never said I buy presents for CHRISTMAS FFS!!
words put in mouth me thinks.

I buy presents for people because I love them and because they buy me presents. It has noting to do with christmas as a celebration.

You might see it that way, but you might also see christmas as a big turkey lunch.

shaun_84 Posted on 16/11 12:31
re: Feeling festive?

I'm in the Love Christmas seats too.

Currently sat alongside me are...

scoea
Piquet2
borofc86
Red_Slim
FW_2

The rest of you can wait outside in the cold.

bandito Posted on 16/11 12:34
re: Feeling festive?

I'm with Raz on this issue. I like his beliefs. He just doesnt fall for all the religious guff and see's Christmas as a massive commercial spin off. Who the feck was jesus anyway? It's a mad up story ffs!!!!!!!!!!!

scoea Posted on 16/11 12:34
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But it clearly does have something to do with Christmas. If it was not Christmas you would not buy those presents.

Borolass Posted on 16/11 12:34
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I absolutely love Christmas, everything about it, even shopping (and I'm one of the rare breeds of women who absolutely detests shopping).

FW, we used to shake sleigh bells when our kids were still believers. Got to agree the look on their faces was priceless. Except my two would go further, come running down the stairs shouting mam, dad, did you hear Santa? we just seen him on the roof, they either had brilliant imaginations or were just little liars.

shaun_84 Posted on 16/11 12:35
re: Feeling festive?

Of course Christmas is exploited to line pockets, but it's up to the individual whether they spend, spend, spend.

scoea Posted on 16/11 12:37
re: Feeling festive?

I would hate to live in your cynical world.

I do not go to church and have no strong beliefs in Jesus or christianity.

What I do believe is that if you are as good a person as you can be you are doing OK.

Christmas is a celebration of that. Family, friends, goodwill, peace etc. It is a time of celebration that I enjoy despite not necessarily believing in Christ.

To condemn someone for not seeing that it is all a cynical ploy to get money out of people is very sad indeed. I genuinely feel sorry for people that don't see Christmas the way I do.

bandito Posted on 16/11 12:38
re: Feeling festive?

I buy presents out of love for my family and friends, not cos I think about jesus!

he didnt exist!!!!

When will people realise that!!!

shaun_84 Posted on 16/11 12:39
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Could the pro-Christmas-ers join me?

Link: perfect

scoea Posted on 16/11 12:41
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Bandito - I am not disputing you're right to believe or not to believe in Jesus or questioning your motives for buying presents.

What I have taken issue with is the condemnation of someone not necessarily religious for taking part in this religious celebration.

Piquet2 Posted on 16/11 12:41
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I don't think that was the argument Bandy, RAZ was saying that if you are not religious you shouldn't be enjoying Christmas.

RAZMOND_HWDR Posted on 16/11 12:43
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scoea - you are as bad as the mrs. I buy her a present out of sheer love and what does she say? she sez: 'What’s the occasion?'

ffs!!

silly_sod Posted on 16/11 12:44
re: Feeling festive?

Well I'm feeling a bit excited about Christmas.

I can't wait to buy a tree that's probably too big for the house, spend far too much money on presents, drink far too much, eat even more and be totally skint in January cos I'm a big kid at heart and I love Christmas.

RAZMOND_HWDR Posted on 16/11 12:45
re: Feeling festive?

scoea - you don`t take part in it, as you have already stated you don`t go to church.

buying presents and drinking mulled wine with your family is not taking part in the christmas celebration.

scoea Posted on 16/11 12:45
re: Feeling festive?

Raz - I would bet she doesn't say that on Christmas Day.

Raz - that is cobblers and you know it.

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bandito Posted on 16/11 12:58
re: Feeling festive?

keep em coming!!

great post this one scoea. Christmas always stris up a hornets nest particularly amongst families!

sasboro Posted on 16/11 12:59
re: Feeling festive?

xmas lights are already starting to go up along mandale road

RAZMOND_HWDR Posted on 16/11 13:04
re: Feeling festive?

do you celebrate the harvest festival in the same way?

Or is giving presents to people who actually need them not a very good thing to celebrate for you?

scoea Posted on 16/11 13:05
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I don't think there is anything wrong with that either Sas.

It really suprises me just how many people don't enjoy and get into Christmas.

Is it genuine? Are you really Scrooges or are you just afraid to tell us how you really feel on here?

Raz - yes I give food at harvest festival. What's your point?

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RAZMOND_HWDR Posted on 16/11 13:08
re: Feeling festive?

so you all get drunk and have a good time and a turkey lunch at harvest festival then?

You put your harvest tree up then?

and your harvest decorations?

and you give out Mars Bar easter eggs just because you are celebrating christ being killed?

scoea Posted on 16/11 13:11
re: Feeling festive?

You are making yourself look very, very silly Raz.

RAZMOND_HWDR Posted on 16/11 13:12
re: Feeling festive?

why?

sasboro Posted on 16/11 13:12
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basically the main gripe with xmas is that everywhere gets far too busy,shops,suppermarkets and then on xmas eve people who dont normally go out turn up at their local pub and spoil it for the regular people who like to go out cos they cant get ion or served easily.

then there is the rubbish xmas music you hear in shops continious from october.

then there is the rubbish repeats on tv.

then there is the bouncers collecting their xmas tips

the comedy xmas specials on again.

the queens speech

family and relatives smiling through gritted teeth and pretending to get along then the back stabbing starts again once xmas day is over.

Big queues at shops ready for the boxing day sales.

too much commercialism

but lots of booze and food make up for it.

sweet_left_foot Posted on 16/11 13:12
re: Feeling festive?

what makes it feel like Christmas.

A pint up the old mans end of the Bull in Yarm in a horrible Christmas jumper next to the fire.

scoea Posted on 16/11 13:14
re: Feeling festive?

Raz - Simply because you have lost the thread of your own argument.

It is not accepted tradition to do those things at harvest time. All of the traditions at Christmas have meaning - the tree, Santa Claus etc etc.

Your point was that because I am not religious I should not enjoy and involve myself in those Christmas traditions.

Sas - I do feel sorry for you then. That is the polar opposite of what my view of Christmas is.

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RAZMOND_HWDR Posted on 16/11 13:20
re: Feeling festive?

what is the meaning of the tree?

Also what has St Nick got to do with Christmas? He was not even around when Christ was born.

You have lost the meaning of christmas within the commercial side of it.

shaun_84 Posted on 16/11 13:21
re: Feeling festive?

So? That's what Christmas is all about for me.

bandito Posted on 16/11 13:23
re: Feeling festive?

Scoea: Do you still believe in Father Christmas?

Scoea: Do you leave him a mince pie and a glass of sherry?

Scoea: If you've been naughty do you think you will get a bag of cinders?

Scoea: Do you think santa has a magic key?

All questions i think you should answer.........

BossHogg Posted on 16/11 13:25
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Christmas is good, WHEN IT'S CHRISTMAS !!!!, not in November or October. That's what fecks me off about it !!.

sweet_left_foot Posted on 16/11 13:26
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Christmas was a pagan festival hijacked by Christians. The tree is there to have sex round.

sasboro Posted on 16/11 13:28
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sceoa, it is not santa claus it is father christmas! you've been watching too many american films!!

shaun_84 Posted on 16/11 13:35
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surely you'd get more pricks than required, s_l_f?

sweet_left_foot Posted on 16/11 13:36
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you can never have enough in my experience

bandito Posted on 16/11 13:37
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Scoea: Will you be wearing your new reindeer jumer and musical socks on xmas day?

scoea Posted on 16/11 13:39
re: Feeling festive?

Wow, right here we go:

Raz - you are so far away from the truth. I don't care about the commercial side at all, it is about being happy with the family and enjoying time together. You buying presents when you don't believe in it at all is the real commercial sell out.

St Nicholas is a christian figure - a saint. Christmas is a christian celebration. You work it out! I quote:

"Father Christmas is based on a real person, St. Nicholas, which explains his other name 'Santa Claus' which comes from the Dutch 'Sinterklaas'. Nicholas was a Christian leader from Myra (in modern-day Turkey) in the 4th century AD. He was very shy, and wanted to give money to poor people without them knowing about it. It is said that one day, he climbed the roof of a house and dropped a purse of money down the chimney. It landed in the stocking which a girl had put to dry by the fire! This may explain the belief that Father Christmas comes down the chimney and places gifts in children's stockings."

Bandito:

Scoea: Do you still believe in Father Christmas?

Yep

Scoea: Do you leave him a mince pie and a glass of sherry?

yep

Scoea: If you've been naughty do you think you will get a bag of cinders?

Yep

Scoea: Do you think santa has a magic key?

Yep

scoea Posted on 16/11 13:40
re: Feeling festive?

And again - yep.

Buddy Posted on 16/11 13:42
re: Feeling festive?

I agree with Razmond

This is why I have no objection to the Winterval sort of stuff that forza and his band of reactionaries keep whinging about. I have absolutely nothing against a mid-winter festival where we can all exchange presents, have a few more beers than normal, decorate a tree, do whatever. But to pretend it's got owt to do with Christmas - the celebration of the birth of Christ - is just nonsense.

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RAZMOND_HWDR Posted on 16/11 13:44
re: Feeling festive?

"Father Christmas is based on a real person, St. Nicholas, which explains his other name 'Santa Claus' which comes from the Dutch 'Sinterklaas'. Nicholas was a Christian leader from Myra (in modern-day Turkey) in the 4th century AD. He was very shy, and wanted to give money to poor people without them knowing about it. It is said that one day, he climbed the roof of a house and dropped a purse of money down the chimney. It landed in the stocking which a girl had put to dry by the fire! This may explain the belief that Father Christmas comes down the chimney and places gifts in children's stockings."

THAT IS BOLLOX.

He did one good thing at that was steal money from a wealthy man and gave it to two poor sisters whilst they slept.

How to get away with lies: just say 'It is said'!

sasboro Posted on 16/11 13:44
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xmas day morning must be the time when some get their annual bj of the wife!

scoea Posted on 16/11 13:48
re: Feeling festive?

Raz - you clearly don't have a clue. That is the story that began the myth of Santa Claus and which brings joy to the lives of millions of children.

Well done Sas, taking it down to the lowest level.

RAZMOND_HWDR Posted on 16/11 13:50
re: Feeling festive?

scoea where did you get the quote from then?

was it the bible?

sweet_left_foot Posted on 16/11 13:53
re: Feeling festive?

he has to pay to get into my stockings sas just like saint nick.

RAZMOND_HWDR Posted on 16/11 13:58
re: Feeling festive?

' it is about being happy with the family and enjoying time together'

I do that every week, you do it once a year and go out of your way to celebrate the fact. How sad are you!!

scoea Posted on 16/11 13:59
re: Feeling festive?

Raz - that is absolutely pathetic.

Buddy Posted on 16/11 14:01
re: Feeling festive?

Bet you're not feeling festive any more though

RAZMOND_HWDR Posted on 16/11 14:02
re: Feeling festive?

why is it?

example - valentines day. what is the point in it? I show my mrs I love her as often as I can, so why do we have to have a one off day for this?

You get together to see friends and family once a year because .... errr ... well... errr ... it is christmas.

I do it every week because I want to.

Piquet2 Posted on 16/11 14:02
re: Feeling festive?

I am....

scoea Posted on 16/11 14:03
re: Feeling festive?

No, I still am. It'd take more than that to dampen my spirits.

If Raz wants to spend his life under a dark cloud of cynicism while all the while being seduced by the commercial side of Christmas that is up to him.

RAZMOND_HWDR Posted on 16/11 14:04
re: Feeling festive?

'seduced by the commercial side of Christmas'

I am not. Why am I anyway?

scoea Posted on 16/11 14:04
re: Feeling festive?

Raz you presumptuous little get, you have no idea about me or my family so why post such nonsense?

It's simple Raz - I believe in Christmas and everything that goes with it. You on the other hand don't believe in any of it and yet still buy your wife a present on Christmas Day. You're a sell out.

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sasboro Posted on 16/11 14:08
re: Feeling festive?

so where is the connection with a fat bloke in wellies living in greenland/lapland and a bloke in bethlehem who was skinny and in a hot country many years ago. is it the beard? or was he his uncle?

did jesus have an links with the el queda of the time? and was he origonally from the middle east. are people sure he wasnt a muslim?

RAZMOND_HWDR Posted on 16/11 14:10
re: Feeling festive?

'I believe in Christmas and everything that goes with it'

do you believe in Jesus Christ? Do you believe in the three kings and the shepherds?

and more importantly do you know what Murr is?

Piquet2 Posted on 16/11 14:12
re: Feeling festive?

I haven't got a clue what Murr is but I know what Myrrh is....dipstick

scoea Posted on 16/11 14:12
re: Feeling festive?

The honest answer to that Raz is I don't know. I certainly used to but I'm just not sure any more. But that does not mean I should not be allowed o enjoy Christmas and all that goes with it.

scoea Posted on 16/11 14:14
re: Feeling festive?

Well put Piquet2.

shaun_84 Posted on 16/11 14:14
re: Feeling festive?

Seasons Greetings to you anyway, scoea. Let's get the Christmas feeling started early this year.

scoea Posted on 16/11 14:15
re: Feeling festive?

Absolutely.

RAZMOND_HWDR Posted on 16/11 14:17
re: Feeling festive?

do you go to midnight mass on christmas eve?

(has to be the most important part of the christmas celebrations)

bandito Posted on 16/11 14:17
re: Feeling festive?

why did the 3 kings take frankenstein to the stable?

scoea Posted on 16/11 14:19
re: Feeling festive?

I do actually Raz.

Bandito - they couldn't get a babysitter.

RAZMOND_HWDR Posted on 16/11 14:19
re: Feeling festive?

was Mary really a virgin?

Piquet2 Posted on 16/11 14:19
re: Feeling festive?

No, I'm not religious.

Piquet2 Posted on 16/11 14:21
re: Feeling festive?

No she was a fictional character.

RAZMOND_HWDR Posted on 16/11 14:22
re: Feeling festive?

scoea why do you go?

I used to go as a child and the one thing I never understood was why the church was half empty ever other sunday yet on christmas eve it was packed.

Buddy Posted on 16/11 14:23
re: Feeling festive?

"But that does not mean I should not be allowed o enjoy Christmas and all that goes with it."

You can, but FFS call it something else. I think that is all we are asking!

boroboy75 Posted on 16/11 14:23
re: Feeling festive?

All the local wino's go to midnight mass.

Wee_Willie Posted on 16/11 14:26
re: Feeling festive?

Turky,s dont like xmas

scoea Posted on 16/11 14:28
re: Feeling festive?

I go because I enjoy it Raz.

Too many people getting far too sensitive over this. I believe in Christian values and see Christmas as a celebration of human kindness and generosity. Where's the problem?

shaun_84 Posted on 16/11 14:31
re: Feeling festive?

RAZ is on the wind up. He'll be as excited as the next boy when he's opening up his Harry Potter action figures.

scoea Posted on 16/11 14:32
re: Feeling festive?

i agree. I think all this fake cynicism is an attempt to look cool.

boroboy75 Posted on 16/11 14:33
re: Feeling festive?

scoea, do you have one of those Best Christmas songs Ever compilation CD's?

RAZMOND_HWDR Posted on 16/11 14:33
re: Feeling festive?

Just trying to understand why you would turn up to something you did not believe in enough to go full time.

scoea do you turn up to any other religions celebrations?

Do you go to easter mass?

shaun_84 Posted on 16/11 14:34
re: Feeling festive?

Christmas tree, blazing fire (fake or not!), snowing outside, Christmas songs playing... ahhhh....

sasboro Posted on 16/11 14:34
re: Feeling festive?

someone must have that mel smith and kym wilde xmas record at home

scoea Posted on 16/11 14:35
re: Feeling festive?

Raz - are you married and if so where did you get married?

BB75 - I do indeed. You can add that to your little book. What's it called again - "Stalking for Idiots"?

RAZMOND_HWDR Posted on 16/11 14:36
re: Feeling festive?

'Christmas tree, blazing fire (fake or not!), snowing outside, Christmas songs playing... ahhhh....'

That is not what christmas was ever supposed to be about.

You have watched too many Flinstones Christmas Specials

boroboy75 Posted on 16/11 14:38
re: Feeling festive?

I was only asking, you pompous get.

RAZMOND_HWDR Posted on 16/11 14:38
re: Feeling festive?

scoea I am not married.

When I do if will probably get blessed, and not in a church.

As I do not believe in it (or am not sure if I do).

are you married?

scoea Posted on 16/11 14:41
re: Feeling festive?

Yep - got married in a church because I believed in the vows that I was making depsite not being religious.

I would be interested if you could tell me what Christmas IS supposed to be about. What do you think we are allowed to do, us non-religious folk?

tony_block19 Posted on 16/11 14:41
re: Feeling festive?

Christmas in my eyes is all about Boxing Day Football, Alcoholic being sold very cheap across UK supermarkets, Presents, Turkey and New Years Eve .

shaun_84 Posted on 16/11 14:43
re: Feeling festive?

RAZ thinks that Muslims should be hounded out of the Christmas section of card shops

RAZMOND_HWDR Posted on 16/11 14:43
re: Feeling festive?

'I would be interested if you could tell me what Christmas IS supposed to be about. What do you think we are allowed to do, us non-religious folk?'

Whatever you like. Just call it something else like a Winter Festival.

Don`t they only allow you to get married in the church if you are a member of the parish? I know that is the case for christenings.

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scoea Posted on 16/11 14:44
re: Feeling festive?

If we're allowed to do whatever we like why the hell have you been going on like this?

Give me strength.

RAZMOND_HWDR Posted on 16/11 14:48
re: Feeling festive?

scoea you are a twaat because you make a mockery of christmas (the birth of christ) and a church (get married somewhere else not a church, P.S. did your vows refer to god?) as you don`t even believe in the religion.

bandito Posted on 16/11 14:48
re: Feeling festive?

churches are just rubbish. They're well boring and give me the creeps most of the time. There's miles better places to get married!

Piquet2 Posted on 16/11 14:50
re: Feeling festive?

"scoea you are a twaat because you make a mockery of christmas (the birth of christ) and a church (get married somewhere else not a church, P.S. did your vows refer to god?) as you don`t even believe in the religion."...does that preclude someone having a good time?

Buddy Posted on 16/11 14:51
re: Feeling festive?

HHHHHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO????

scoea, do a find on this page for "Buddy" and all your questions will be answered.

And you PK.........

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shaun_84 Posted on 16/11 14:51
re: Feeling festive?

christmas n 1: period extending from Dec. 24 to Jan. 6 [syn: Christmas, Christmastide, Christmastime, Yule, Yuletide, Noel] 2: a Christian holiday celebrating the birth of Christ; a quarter day in England, Wales, and Ireland [syn: Christmas, Christmas Day, Xmas, Dec 25]

I'll accept meaning number 1

RAZMOND_HWDR Posted on 16/11 14:53
re: Feeling festive?

Piquet2 - eh? Have a good time, but why do you have to call it 'christmas' when it clearly is not?

Piquet2 Posted on 16/11 14:55
re: Feeling festive?

Because that is what it is called, I didn't name it.

RAZMOND_HWDR Posted on 16/11 14:55
re: Feeling festive?

shaun_84 - does that mean that all christmas calenders are incorrect?

Buddy Posted on 16/11 14:56
re: Feeling festive?

Nah, you've heard of the Twelve Days of Christmas. But that has religious connotations as well, being the period from Christmas Eve to Epiphany.

Red_Slim Posted on 16/11 14:58
re: Feeling festive?

Tis the season to be jolly

Tra la la la laaa la la la laa

RAZMOND_HWDR Posted on 16/11 14:59
re: Feeling festive?

scoea - Do you celebrate boxing day or Saint Stevens day?

P.S. you come accross very two-faced!

Piquet2 Posted on 16/11 15:00
re: Feeling festive?

"P.S. you come accross very two-faced!".....

scoea Posted on 16/11 15:01
re: Feeling festive?

I wondered how long it would take you to resort to petty insults Raz. You did well this time.

I believed in the words I was saying and if there is a god I wanted to do it in church. If the vicar that performed the ceremnoy had no problem 9and I was completely honest with him BTW) then why the hell should you?

As for making a mockery of Christmas - if being joyful and celebrating all the good things about people is a mockery then I am happy to be guilty of it. I believe in the spirit behind the Christmas story and it's religion without necessarily believing in the religion itself.

There are different ways of believing in things Raz. That may be a bit too subtle for you but try and understand.

RAZMOND_HWDR Posted on 16/11 15:04
re: Feeling festive?

ok you got the st nick story incorrect.

So what do you like about the christmas story?

The giving gifts to the poor part? which part do you like?

RAZMOND_HWDR Posted on 16/11 15:08
re: Feeling festive?

scoea - have you been christened and confirmed ?

Something you need to do before you can get married in a church and it be official in the eyes of god.

Otherwise you are using the religion and making a mockery of it.

Piquet2 Posted on 16/11 15:10
re: Feeling festive?

I was christened but not confirmed, and I was married in church.

RAZMOND_HWDR Posted on 16/11 15:12
re: Feeling festive?

As my mother would say 'thats not official in the eyes of god'

FW_2 Posted on 16/11 15:14
re: Feeling festive?

I've been baptised, confirmed, married in church, had my kids baptised and go to Mass on Christmas Day.

Come on Raz, give me your best shot.

Piquet2 Posted on 16/11 15:15
re: Feeling festive?

It is in the eyes of the law, which is the one that counts.

RAZMOND_HWDR Posted on 16/11 15:21
re: Feeling festive?

Piquet2 - exactly you have made a joke of the religion.

Piquet2 Posted on 16/11 15:22
re: Feeling festive?

Why?

sasboro Posted on 16/11 15:22
re: Feeling festive?

cant they do xmas mass over the internet these days?

is there going to be a x factor xmas special?

will doc browns be open on xmas night?

scoea Posted on 16/11 15:30
re: Feeling festive?

Piquet2 - he doesn't know why. He should come out from under that bitter and cynical cloud and enjoy.

sasboro Posted on 16/11 15:32
re: Feeling festive?

do you go carol signing around your local estate?

scoea Posted on 16/11 15:42
re: Feeling festive?

I don't sign anything Sas - you should know that!

RAZMOND_HWDR Posted on 16/11 15:42
re: Feeling festive?

Because you are supposed to get baptised then confirmed and then marriage.

You are making a mockery of the religion by skipping the ones that don`t suit you!!

scoea Posted on 16/11 15:44
re: Feeling festive?

You are making a mockery of yourself by being a tool.

Holgate_37 Posted on 16/11 15:45
re: Feeling festive?

please delete this thread admin, it's approachung a double century.

Piquet2 Posted on 16/11 15:45
re: Feeling festive?

But I'm not religious.

boroboy75 Posted on 16/11 15:48
re: Feeling festive?

Hypocracy is rife amongst the non-believers

raggycrew Posted on 16/11 16:09
re: Feeling festive?

t's in the singing of a street corner choir
It's going home and getting warm by the fire
It's true
Wherever you find love
It feels like Christmas
A cup of kindness that we share with another
A sweet reunion with a friend or a brother
In all the places you find love
It feels like Christmas
It is the season of the heart
A special time of caring
The ways of love made clear
It is the season of the sprit
The message if we hear it
Is make it last all year
It's in the giving of a gift to another
A pair of mittens that were made by your mother
It's all the ways that we show love
That feel like Christmas
A part of childhood we'll always remember
It is the summer of the soul in December
Yes, when you do your best for love
It feels like Christmas
It is the season of the heart
A special time of caring
The ways of love made clear
It is the season of the sprit
The message if we hear it
Is make it last all year
It's in the singing of a street corner choir
It's going home and getting warm by the fire
It's true, wherever you find love
It feels like Christmas
It's true, wherever you find love
It feels like Christmas
It feels like Christmas
It feels like Christmas
It feels like Christmas

boroboy75 Posted on 16/11 16:11
re: Feeling festive?

Bloody hell!
Even the ASBO Army are getting into the spirit!

scoea Posted on 16/11 16:13
re: Feeling festive?

Just submit to it - you might as well.

For what it is worth Piquet2 you are absolutely and 100% correct.

sasboro Posted on 16/11 16:14
re: Feeling festive?

Raz wil be the stalker type who tours the pubs and clubs on xmas ever with a bit of mistletoe in hand trying to pull

shaun_84 Posted on 16/11 16:14
re: Feeling festive?

I hope you're not fishing for 200-poster, mr ea. You know what we do with glory-threads.

Gillandi Posted on 16/11 17:15
re: Feeling festive?

I reckon i'm the biggest hypocrite on here, i'm an atheist who goes to church once a year, St Barnies, on Christmas eve and sings my heart out for the lads?

Whats wrong with taking the bits from christianity you like and not having anything to do with the bits you don't like, like you would at a buffet table?

I'd like to negotiate this Xmas without hearing the new Live Aid single though. It's early days but so far, so good. I hope it raises plenty of money and that it goes to actually feeding the starving and not just pay for offices and administrators. Have the government waived the tax on the single? I very much doubt it.

blotonthelandscape Posted on 16/11 17:19
re: Feeling festive?

I luv it, the plastic, the family rows, Peter Barretts, all of it.

Gillandi Posted on 16/11 17:23
re: Feeling festive?

I think Rob Nichols should give a bottle of Warninks Advocaat to every poster amassing a 200 post festive thread this Xmas.

RIVERTEES Posted on 16/11 17:38
re: Feeling festive?

Great for family togetherness. Awful for phoney commercialisation, sales, bargains, office parties, false-happiness, band-aid songs, Cliff Richard, people saying that the TV was rubbish this year (it is every year), pretending you like the socks on xmas morning.

The_Downing_Wave Posted on 16/11 17:41
re: Feeling festive?

Have a double century post for Christmas Scoea, my treat.

bluetitch Posted on 16/11 18:42
re: Feeling festive?

I don't know if I've got this right but I think the point Razmond is making is that so many people are forgetting what the true meaning of Christmas is.

Goal_Scrounger Posted on 16/11 19:39
re: Feeling festive?

I LOVE CHRISTMAS ME!!

I LOVE:

- The day's Christmas shopping/boozing/Banana Leafing that my mate and I traditionally have at the end of November.

- Buying the presents for my kids

- Helping them write their letters to Santa

- Going to Lapland to see Santa (two and a half weeks to go!!)

- Putting the decorations up at home

- Watching Xmas films like The Santa Clause

- Putting Xmas decorations up at school

- Doing a Xmas quiz for the kids at school on the last couple of days

- Downloading unusual Xmas songs and making CDs for people

- Shopping for Xmas food and drink

- Going out after work on the lsat day of term for a few drinks

- School xmas dinner

- Xmas decorations in the town

- Going out for a meal with my wife and kids on Christmas Eve lunchtime

- Helping the kids write a thank you note to Santa to go with his red wine and mince pie.

- Wrapping the kids presents on Christmas Eve after they've gone to bed

- Sitting in the living room with only the xmas tree lights on after finishing wrapping the pressies.

- Xmas morning!

- Cooking/eating christmas dinner

- The Boxing Day Boro match



I'm sure there are tons of other things I've forgotten.

So, there we go. Not a MENTION of God, couldn't care less about religion. Still the best day of the year and always worth the wait.

RAZMOND_HWDR Posted on 16/11 19:56
re: Feeling festive?

has sod all to do with christmas though.

If it was rebadged winterfest or something it would make more sense.

Goal_Scrounger Posted on 16/11 20:05
re: Feeling festive?

It's got EVERYTHING to do with MY Christmas though!

Mind you, I got married in a church, eat pancakes on Shrove Tuesday and easter eggs at Easter time too. I draw the line at not going to a Boro game on a Sunday though.

darmok Posted on 16/11 20:07
re: Feeling festive?

Bah Humbug.....

darmok Posted on 16/11 20:32
re: Feeling festive?

Btw Is this a record for the quickest double century post... Less than 12 hours?

forever_boro Posted on 16/11 23:16
re: Feeling festive?

Cant believe this thread is still going......
Christians call it christmas and celebrate accordingly...
non religious folks call it winterfest and do the same .
and then we are all happy

bluetitch Posted on 16/11 23:29
re: Feeling festive?

Hmmm..strokes chin.....weren't people mocking Birmingham just the other day for naming it that?

ericpaylor Posted on 16/11 23:34
re: Feeling festive?

Dont you just love those christmas cards that play jingle bells when you open them?

Do kids still look int he crackers and change them round to make sure they get the best toy? I always end up with the magic counting numbers, a small water pistol,a spining top thing,a plastic moustache

deganya Posted on 17/11 7:15
re: Feeling festive?

chestnuts roasting on an open fire!!

Spoff_MFC Posted on 17/11 7:48
re: Feeling festive?

38 Days to Christmas Day

scoea Posted on 17/11 8:52
re: Feeling festive?

Do I get a prize Rob?

Anyway - I know exactly what Raz is saying, but he's wrong. I always know what the meaning of Christmas is. I appreciate the nativity and I celebrate the message that it is supposed to send. That does not mean that I have to accept everything about the religion to be able to call it 'Christmas'.

RAZMOND_HWDR Posted on 17/11 9:30
re: Feeling festive?

'Christmas' is a religious word and meaning only, so it has everything to do with the religion and nothing to do with trees etc.

Junenius Posted on 17/11 9:57
re: Feeling festive?

So you've not heard of traditions developing around the central idea then?

The nativity is a central part of Christmas and that is where gifts, stars and a lot of other traditions have come from.

RAZMOND_HWDR Posted on 17/11 10:01
re: Feeling festive?

where does the tradition of the tree come from then? (apart from germany)

scoea Posted on 17/11 10:04
re: Feeling festive?

Aren't there a few stories about the Christmas Tree? Found a couple on t'internet:

Saint Boniface who had gone to Germany to teach them about Jesus. He was walking through some woods when he came upon a gathering of people with lighted candles who were just about to make an offering to a pagan god by sacrificing a small boy already tied to an oak tree. Saint Boniface stopped them, got them to put their candles on a nearby spruce tree, and proceeded, by the candle light, to teach them about a loving God and the teachings of his son, Jesus.

It links back to a celebration of Adam and Eve day on the 24th December, when a tree known as the Paradise tree was decorated with apples and fruit and the story of Adam and Eve was acted out.

RAZMOND_HWDR Posted on 17/11 10:10
re: Feeling festive?

'Adam and Eve day' this just sounds even more stupid.

Do you believe in adam and eve?

scoea Posted on 17/11 10:20
re: Feeling festive?

No, but you asked the question.

RAZMOND_HWDR Posted on 17/11 10:22
re: Feeling festive?

i know, but it does prove just how fooked up and wish washy 'christmas' is.

Piquet2 Posted on 17/11 10:23
re: Feeling festive?

wish washy? It's lovely

boro_bliss Posted on 17/11 10:25
re: Feeling festive?

You are strange Razmond...

RAZMOND_HWDR Posted on 17/11 10:27
re: Feeling festive?

Thanx.

Junenius Posted on 17/11 10:32
re: Feeling festive?

How does it prove that, Raz?

RAZMOND_HWDR Posted on 17/11 10:57
re: Feeling festive?

a tree about 2 fictional characters that have nothing to do with christmas.

Father Christmas is a guy who also has nothing to do with christmas and gave some money ONCE to a couple of poor girls.

christs birth something that may or may not have happened, however what we do know is that it did not happen in december, more like September.

A bunch of made up contradictions

shaun_84 Posted on 17/11 10:59
re: Feeling festive?

What a pointless thread this has become!

scoea Posted on 17/11 11:02
re: Feeling festive?

Hang on, you asked the significance of the tree. You claimed that it was not remotely religious. It is clear that it does have a religious link. Same with Santa Claus.

If you are saying that there should be no trees, no reference to Santa Claus, no decorations, no gifts and no merriment because none of that has anything to do with the birth of Christ you are misunderstanding the whole thing.

Look at the nativity. Or is that nothing to do with the birth of Christ either?

RAZMOND_HWDR Posted on 17/11 11:13
re: Feeling festive?

scoea - can you send me the link regarding Adam and Eve Day please??

scoea Posted on 17/11 11:22
re: Feeling festive?

Proud as I am to have double century post, I agree with shaun_84. This has become pointless and boring.

RAZMOND_HWDR Posted on 17/11 11:23
re: Feeling festive?

i agree.

could you still send me the link regarding Adam and Eve Day please??

scoea Posted on 17/11 11:27
re: Feeling festive?

All i did was Google it you lazy sod

Link: Google results

Piquet2 Posted on 17/11 11:27
re: Feeling festive?

It only became pointless and boring at this point....

Link: Merry Christmas.....

scoea Posted on 17/11 11:30
re: Feeling festive?

You mean when Ebeneezer got involved?

Piquet2 Posted on 17/11 11:32
re: Feeling festive?

Undoubtedly....

RAZMOND_HWDR Posted on 17/11 11:49
re: Feeling festive?

it became pointless at this point:

'Just heard the new Band Aid single. Obviously not as good as the original but decent enough.'

shaun_84 Posted on 17/11 11:50
re: Feeling festive?

The embarrassing thing is Liverpool fans may visit FMTTM, see this big thread and read it....

RAZMOND_HWDR Posted on 17/11 11:54
re: Feeling festive?

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RAZMOND_HWDR Posted on 17/11 11:55
re: Feeling festive?

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scoea Posted on 17/11 12:15
re: Feeling festive?

Why have you edited Raz?

RAZMOND_HWDR Posted on 17/11 12:28
re: Feeling festive?

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Junenius Posted on 17/11 12:38
re: Feeling festive?

For a shiite thread, you've conributed enough!

RAZMOND_HWDR Posted on 17/11 12:40
re: Feeling festive?

it makes for good reading though doesn`t it.

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