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foomanboro Posted on 5/4 13:10
Downing admits suffering from exhaustion...

Sounds fair enough for me, none of us know what the rigours of constant premiership do to the human body.

This is the cue for all you armchair fitness gurus to jump in with your ignorant rants about how players shouldn't be tired.....lampard plays all the time.......blah blah blah.

Link: Downing suffering fatigue

MyBoro Posted on 5/4 13:13
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But he had not played for a fortnight

foomanboro Posted on 5/4 13:14
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England training whilst everyone else was on a break go straight over your head in that article then MyBoro?

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MyBoro Posted on 5/4 13:16
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But on top of the training the others also played twice at the same time.

Not over my head just think he is making excuses. You don't here Lampard complaining :)

sasboro Posted on 5/4 13:16
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why isnt lampard suffering from the same problem or worse

bandito Posted on 5/4 13:17
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maybe now people will appreciate why mac was hesitating putting him in a regualr line up early part of the season

foomanboro Posted on 5/4 13:18
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Lampard is a rare breed of experienced international footballer and at his physical peak, who is genetically probably in the top 0.5% naturally fit people in the UK.

Downing is a young lad who is having his first full regular season at a premiership club.

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jono_feds Posted on 5/4 13:18
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More worrying is the thought that we might play the geordies three days before the end of the season! We've aleady missed out on the bowyer/dyer ban because of the fa cup!

sasboro Posted on 5/4 13:20
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ok, if lampard is a rare breed of fit footballers then what about john terry?

foomanboro Posted on 5/4 13:21
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Being a central defender is nowhere near as exhausting as being a midfielder. Think of the likes of Gary Pallistar, successful in that position without needing to be a particularly good athlete.

SidSnot Posted on 5/4 13:24
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Look at the physique of Downing and it's his first full season. He's not a patch on Lampard or Terry yet. When you watch football at that level it looks an awful lot slower in the stands than it does on the pitch. It's no wonder he's knacked.

sasboro Posted on 5/4 13:55
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hopw many games has rooney played this season? is he tired?

scoea Posted on 5/4 13:57
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Give it up Sas. This 'devil's advocate' routine is really wearing thin. You're just like the Bear, playing up to a character.

Rooney hasn't played that many games this season.

Look at all the top teams in the world and answer one question - does the same 11 play week in, week out when fit?

captain5 Posted on 5/4 14:00
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Rooney has only 22 appearances in the League his season.

*Hears whiny "how many European games has he played??" question*

sasboro Posted on 5/4 14:02
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to be honest the tiredness excuses are wearing a bit thin. Top players can handle it(eg chelsea and some arsenal players) if we and players want tmfc to be successful then they are going to have to learn to cope with playing 17 games in 13 weeks or 45 games in 32 weeks. cos the more successful you become then the more games you end up playing. So what is it people want?

rooney has played over 34 games this season. plus 10 for england
and 111 already in his career? is he tired? i doubt it! i bet he wants to play every game cos he's got that appetite



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scoea Posted on 5/4 14:05
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No arguments about his appetite Sas!!!!

But you're absolutely wrong about tiredness I'm afraid. You are right though that the top clubs cope with it better. How do they do it?

Simple - rest players and put squad players in. The reason they are so successful is the size and quality of their squads compared to ours.

holgate69 Posted on 5/4 14:05
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Lazy little bar_stewards.

Ally_Minium Posted on 5/4 14:06
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You've answered your own post Sas "learn to cope" it's his first full season.

MrAngryCurrentlyInAberdeen Posted on 5/4 14:06
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Let's assume tiredness affects different players differently. The main fact is, that if Boro are serious about competing in Europe, they had better get used to playing more than one match a week. Currently we do not have the numbers or quality to validate 'resting' players. We need to field our strongest line-up whenever possible, until that situation changes.

boroboy75 Posted on 5/4 14:07
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It's good to see that he has recognised that he hasn't been playing well lately.
I'm not disputing that 'fatigue' plays a factor, but is an easy excuse to make.

mattrich Posted on 5/4 14:09
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well thank god we are out of the european places then, lets finish eleventh, go out of both cups early and the poor mites won't get tired.

captain5 Posted on 5/4 14:10
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You're making the point for us, sas.

Downing has already made over 40 appearances. If he had been able to have the breaks that Rooney has obviously had (I believe your figures), then he probably wouldn't be as tired.

As scoea says, the bigger clubs have bigger squads, so they can rotate whereas we can't.

sasboro Posted on 5/4 14:13
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scoea, rooney has played 44 games in total this season and no talk of tiredness. that will be about the same as downing. plus rooney played in euro 2004 while others were resting

mattrich Posted on 5/4 14:13
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alot of people on the board before the season started said that the squad wasn't big enough and the players signed were too old to cope with all the games, if the fans could see it how come magnificent steve couldn't?

sasboro Posted on 5/4 14:15
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downing has played 41, plus 1 for england so aboput the same as rooney but also got the summer off which rooney didnt

Ally_Minium Posted on 5/4 14:16
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I thought Rooney missed the start of the season with a broken foot?

scoea Posted on 5/4 14:18
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What about consecutive games though Sas - that is the key stat. If players get rotated they are much more able to play 44 games without being tired.

mattrich - nobody could have foreseen the number of injuries we have had to key players.

sasboro Posted on 5/4 14:19
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yes he did, but he didnt get a rest in the summer and then was back getting his fitness up, but he has played more games than downing but isnt tired.

what has rotation got to do with it?? he's played the same number of games as downing.

if you want a break down, you wil see that rooney has played more games in last 4-6 months than downing cos rooney was injured ealry season

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mattrich Posted on 5/4 14:21
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wonder if downing would still be tired if we had anything to play for? ie a cup?

scoea Posted on 5/4 14:25
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As I say Sas - Rooney has been given rest periods through squad rotation and those rest periods have led to him being able to play more games and avoid tiredness.

Look at Moyes' handling of him at Everton - was he wrong to continually rest Rooney as well?

sasboro Posted on 5/4 14:26
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but he's played same number as games as downing. so the average days betqween games with be the same. so they both have played same number of games over an 8 month period. also downing has not played internationally much so got a longer rest period than rooney.

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SidSnot Posted on 5/4 14:28
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In evidence I present the physique of Rooney against the physique of Downing. Not exactly and apples and apples discussion is it....

jam_the_parmo Posted on 5/4 14:28
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As if some of you are that thick to say how come lampard isnt complaining?


Lampard has been playing first team football since he was 18 and has been in the england set up for about 6 years.Downing hasn't even played a full season of first team football and is all ready in the england squad,ofcourse hes going to bed tired.



fooking boo boy morons.

sasboro Posted on 5/4 14:29
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you wopuld think with rooneys build he would get tired quicker than a skinny downing

jam_the_parmo Posted on 5/4 14:29
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Rooney is also one that has played first team football for a couple of years and gets rested all the time,hes one that fergie always subs.


why dont you think before making yourself look like idiots?

sasboro Posted on 5/4 14:29
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why iosnt lampard burnt out if hes been playiong football since he was 18

SidSnot Posted on 5/4 14:30
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"you wopuld think with rooneys build he would get tired quicker than a skinny downing"

I assume you're joking?

jam_the_parmo Posted on 5/4 14:33
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sasboro Posted on 5/4 14:29 Email this Message | Edit | Reply
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why iosnt lampard burnt out if hes been playiong football since he was 18





Im sure when he was downings age he did go through a period where i was very tired.


now look mate,you are making yourself look like a fool so shut the fook up eh?

sasboro Posted on 5/4 14:36
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jam_the_idiot, me the fool? what cos i prove that other player play more games this season than downing and arnt tired.

In the end top class player who are in teams who are doing well hardly ever complain about tiredness. I bet if downing was dropped for arsenal game he would be complaining for being dropped. players love to play football ,especially so when they are in a winning team doing well. how many chelsea players are complaining about tiredness while they go for a treble?

scoea Posted on 5/4 14:40
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Sas - why don't you ever address the points people are making?

1. Rooney has been regularly rested and rotated and so will have had less consecutive games than Downing.
2. Downing is in his first full season of top flight football.

sasboro Posted on 5/4 14:44
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1. Rooney has been regularly rested and rotated and so will have had less consecutive games than Downing.
like i keep saying they have played the same number of games in the same period, so average rest between games is the same. when rooney has been playing for england, downing gets 2 weeks off.
so 1 week rooney plays thur then sun and another week downing plays thur sunday..etc


2. Downing is in his first full season of top flight football.

so what? he's slimmer and older than rooney so should be fitter as he had an extra year as a pro footballer. if he trains with the first team then his fitness should be as good as rooneys

your gonna have to do better than this if you want to prove that downing is rightly more tired than rooney

jam_the_parmo Posted on 5/4 14:44
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how many of chelseas players are playing the first season in first team football?

jam_the_parmo Posted on 5/4 14:45
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sasboro Posted on 5/4 14:44 Email this Message | Edit
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1. Rooney has been regularly rested and rotated and so will have had less consecutive games than Downing.
like i keep saying they have played the same number of games in the same period, so average rest between games is the same. when rooney has been playing for england, downing gets 2 weeks off.
so 1 week rooney plays thur then sun and another week downing plays thur sunday..etc


2. Downing is in his first full season of top flight football.

so what? he's slimmer and older than rooney so should be fitter as he had an extra year as a pro footballer. if he trains with the first team then his fitness should be as good as rooneys

your gonna have to do better than this if you want to prove that downing is rightly more tired than rooney
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you are an idiot

sasboro Posted on 5/4 14:46
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jam_idiot,please try to add something worthwhile to this arguement.
i can tell this discussion is way above your intelligence

foomanboro Posted on 5/4 15:02
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Wayne Rooney 30 App + 4 as sub

Stewart Downing 36 App + 5 as sub

Thats is 11 more games to games Stewy has played comapared to Rooney. Not to mention the fact that Roony rarely plays the full 90 minutes for Man U when starting unlike downing who almost always plays the full game.

Kinda puts shyt to yor argument Sas!

sasboro Posted on 5/4 15:04
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have you forgot about the 11 englqand games rooney has played on top

borobuddah Posted on 5/4 15:06
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Pathetic, he's only young, and should be fit as a lop, and more energetic!

foomanboro Posted on 5/4 15:08
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Yes England, the other team that rooney fails to complete 90 minutes for on a regular basis.

ScarboroSmoggy Posted on 5/4 15:08
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I make it 7 games more.

sasboro Posted on 5/4 15:11
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can you work it out by total minutes to make in more accurate

on bbc website it says he played 40+ games(rooney)

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foomanboro Posted on 5/4 15:12
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Ahem....Ah yes. I was just testing to make sure everyone was awake.

Well done ScarboroSmoggy.

foomanboro Posted on 5/4 15:13
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My stats are from sky sports network

Lisbonlegend Posted on 5/4 15:14
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Rooney has only played 36 games this season in all competitions. Downing has played 38 plus 7 substitute appearances.

Rooney, although 19 has the physique of a 25 year old. He is a freak. Downing does not possess the same physical strength as Rooney. Rooney has been allowed to rest from time to time whereas Downing has been playing 2 games a month for weeks without a break in his first full season in the premiership.

SAS you annoy me with your rubbish. Any footballer in Europe would fail to match Frank Lampards natural fitness and run of consecutive games so to compare him to Downing who is 20 and in his firts full season is nothing short of ridiculous.

sasboro Posted on 5/4 15:18
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downing 41 (5 a sub) , england 1 as sub = 42(6)

rooney 34 (4),england 10 (0 as sub) =44(4)
lampard 47 (5) enngland 13 (0) 60(5)
terry 44 (0) england 9 (0) 53(0)
dyer 31 (5) ,england 6 (6)

from bbc website

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Zoophonic Posted on 5/4 15:19
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Can't believe this thread.

How can you deny the boy is tired? FFS did you not watch the game on Saturday. He was a spent force with 15 minutes to go. Don't care if it is a poor excuse or that he is not fit or he is not like other players.


The plain fact is that he is struggling to cope with the physical rigours of a first season in the PL. And for that I can understand it.

foomanboro Posted on 5/4 15:20
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Strange how those stats don't match with sky sports, who also own opta index?

sasboro Posted on 5/4 15:24
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ryes 37 (6) ,spain 7 (3) =44(9)
ashley cole,38 (1), england 13 (0) 51(1)



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Lisbonlegend Posted on 5/4 15:26
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Again SAS you're talking tripe. You should at least compare like with like. 2 experienced internationals in their prime against a young lad in his first season.

Why don't you compare Downing against Jerome Thomas (23 appearances), Dean Marney (3 appearances), Cesc Fabregas (27 appearances, Van Persie (13 appearances) etc. all young lads in their first season of Premiership football.

What exactly do you expect from Downing?

Lisbonlegend Posted on 5/4 15:27
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Again SAS you're talking tripe. You should at least compare like with like. 2 experienced internationals in their prime against a young lad in his first season.

Why don't you compare Downing against Jerome Thomas (23 appearances), Dean Marney (3 appearances), Cesc Fabregas (27 appearances, Van Persie (13 appearances) etc. all young lads in their first season of Premiership football.

What exactly do you expect from Downing?

Zoophonic Posted on 5/4 15:28
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I think he is deliberately winding up some of you. Nobody sane would have a go at Downing for what he has done this season.

foomanboro Posted on 5/4 15:28
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sasboro the plain and simple fact of the matter you would NOT have a clue how demanding a premier league game can be.

The fact they are talking about having a winter break like the rest of europe to prevent the national team being fatigued before major championships should tell your something.

The fact that the likes of top managers like Wenger and Ferguson are always complaining about the number of matches their players have to play a season, should tell you something.

The fact that almost all managers are harking on about having strength in dept, wanting bigger squads and rotating players, should tell you something.

The fact that hundreds of professionals and experts have been talking about how physically demanding modern day football is, should tell you something.

How ever as usual i am sure you will ignore what most educated people think and persist with your own ridiculous theories.

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sasboro Posted on 5/4 15:29
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lisbopnlegend, how can i compare when they havent played as many games as donwing. i used rooney as a genuine comparison..similar age and appearences but still people think i'm talking crap. lets face it tiredness is an excuse cos downing is off form at the moment. after 2 weeks off he would have been freshened up like smac was saying last week they would be

foomanboro Posted on 5/4 15:31
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Like banging my head against a brick wall.

He was on england duty when the rest of the boro squad got a week off FFS.

sasboro Posted on 5/4 15:33
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kilbane 36 (1) ,ireland 9 (0) 45(1)
defoe 37 (6) ,england 8 (5) 46(11)

foomanboro Posted on 5/4 15:34
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As usual SAS chooses to ignore the points put to him and decides to copy and paste some totally irelevant stats once again.

sasboro Posted on 5/4 15:35
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not irrelevant stats, they are stats of other players who have played similar amounts of games to downing and not tired

Lisbonlegend Posted on 5/4 15:35
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Exactly my point SAS, they haven't played as many games!! Young lads aren't expected to play as many games as Downing has. It's mental tiredness aswell as physical tiredness, Downing has gone from Sunderland to the England team in a season, it's bound to take it's toll. Rooney is a freak, one of the best players in the world, do you expect Downing to be like Rooney who you think is a genuine comparison? While the others were resting Downing was running his knackers off trying to get a place in the England side. Hardly 2 weeks off.

ColinBellEnd Posted on 5/4 15:36
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Defoe gets taken off after an hour most games. Spurs have 4 forwards dont you know. Count minutes on the pitch if you are going to throw in these totally meaningless statistics.

Age is a factor

Lisbonlegend Posted on 5/4 15:37
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SAS, how old are you and do you play the game?

sasboro Posted on 5/4 15:40
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hang on, lets have some consistency. for example. some saying a player gets subbed a lot but then defending downing cos he didnt get 2 weeks off cos he was with england despite not playing.

like i said a direct comparison is rooney. other players have played similar amounts of games. but i aint going through all the leagues and picking them out. you are all nit picking over minor details to cover your back but in the end other players have played similar amounts of games and not been tired

foomanboro Posted on 5/4 15:40
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Stewart Downing

Total Minutes Played 2248
Avg Minutes Played Per Start 93.67

Wayne Rooney

Total Minutes Played 1703
Avg Minutes Played Per Start 89.63

From footballanorak.com

Lisbonlegend Posted on 5/4 15:46
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Rooney is a freak. If you compared every 20 year old to Rooney then everyone in England would fall short. It's a ridiculous argument as usual and just designed to annoy people. It's like comparing a Toyota Celica to a McClaren F1.

Do you ever get tired SAS? Do you feel faint when you jog up the stairs or stand up from your computer to get a cup of nesquick? Of course you do, so why do you think that Stewart Downing is immune to the feelings of physical and mental fatigue when his job is at the top end of the physical scale and one of the most intrusive professions in the country?

foomanboro Posted on 5/4 15:48
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Wouldn't worry lisbonlegend his direct comparison with Rooney argument does not even stand up to examination. (see above total minutes on pitch stats)

Nice try SAS, but it's time you be a man about the situation. Admit you were wrong and be done with it.

bubblesmfc Posted on 5/4 15:52
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Why not compare him to Roanldo at Man UTD, he probably plays a similar type of game and plays similar position. Sir Alex rested him in his first full season so he didnt burn out. His form dipped when he played continuous games, after a bit of a break he started playing at a level that was higher than his previous form.

But is suppose Alex Ferguson doesnt know what he's talking about.

Ally_Minium Posted on 5/4 15:53
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Have Downings U21 games been taken into account?

Lisbonlegend Posted on 5/4 15:53
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I'm not Fooman, he never ceases to amaze me. What drives a man (or woman) to come up with such feeble statements. Is he really that daft or is it just to get a rise out of people? I personally don't think anyone can be that daft so he must just be a wind up merchant.

SAS obviously knows a 20 year old lad who can perform consistently at the highest possible level without a break in a year. You should let Mr McClaren know who this lad is cos he'll be worth a fortune. It's not you is it SAS?

Lisbonlegend Posted on 5/4 15:55
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Ally, Downings under 21 stats were taken into account in my overview.

sasboro Posted on 5/4 16:00
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LL, your talking rubbish again. he aint played for the under 21's this season.check your facts next time

Lisbonlegend Posted on 5/4 16:03
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Yes he did. When he was being tipped for the full England squad he was actually picked for the under-21's and made one full and one substitute appearnce in the European championship qualifiers.

Apology accepted.

foomanboro Posted on 5/4 16:06
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SAS you have been well and truly been crucified in this whole debate. If i was you, i would leave it there and come back another time and try and fight a battle you can win.

All your arguments were repelled, whilst at not a single point were you able to successfully counter any of the arguments thrown back at you. Instead attempting to dodge them by willfully choosing to ignore them, throwing in irelevant stats or changing the the point of conversation completely.

I give you 3/10 (purely for persistance).

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MyBoro Posted on 5/4 16:15
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Fooman you are saying differnet things. He was not off because he was training, but then its minutes on the pitch that matter.

All players train even when being rotated. He got the games off (Rested). I expected him to be fresher following the rest, not suffering exhaustion.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 5/4 16:27
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MYBORO, you are not 'resting' when you are training for an international match. Southgate had a week off and was brilliant against Palace, Downing didn't and looked a shadow of the player we all know he is. Giv the lad a break, literally!

foomanboro Posted on 5/4 16:35
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I had to address both points MyBoro. The two points(minutes on the pitch and being given a break) are not necessarilly mutually exclusive. They are both combining factors explaining Downings tiredness. No contradiction on my part that you seem to speak of.

Downing was not given a rest these last two weeks. Whilst the rest of the boro squad who were not on international duty were exempt from any sort of training completely. Downing was not afforded such luxery and had to train with the england team.

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skiprat Posted on 5/4 16:38
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I'm awaiting Sas' post to say something along the lines of

"Nemeth was away for International duty and he doesn't seem tired".

Which would be right up the street of his usual nonsense answers.

Gillandi Posted on 5/4 16:48
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Sas will always have a problem with any news or statements that come out of Boro and he never thinks about what he's saying, just hit and hope with references to other players, other clubs, like he has read the Manchester Evening News or The Evening Standard everyday this season and is an expert on the exact physical conditioning of Chelsea and Man U players. He doesn't and he isn't. He'll ignore the truth and make things up just to knock the Boro. Pathetic.

GtownBeerBelly Posted on 5/4 17:15
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He wants to get on the weights in the close season and take some dietary advice. How hard can it be to play two games of football a week with a couple of hours occasional training? I believe he's taking the michael a bit.

These lads today, I dunno. Is he gay?

foomanboro Posted on 5/4 17:27
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Why you want to ask him out on a date?

Lisbonlegend Posted on 5/4 17:29
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He didn't say it was hard to play but to retain a level of performance which he knows he is capable of.

Please don't call my Stewart 'gay' please.

GtownBeerBelly Posted on 5/4 17:51
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I don't want a date. I want to marry him, then I can loaf around for most of the day inbetween frenzied bouts of shopping.

Seriously, high fibre diet and work on that upper body strength. Otherwise, swap jobs with me and discover what tired means ya big puff.

inretrospect Posted on 5/4 18:48
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Will he be going on tour with England in May then if he is exhausted?

Colin_40 Posted on 5/4 19:18
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Come off it Gtown!!!, you can't compare your job to Downing's, for one thing you're not in the public eye 7 days a week, having your performance pored over and dissected in the media for the slightest deficiency, yes, subject yourself to that kind of scrutiny, then you can start giving Downing lectures on tiredness!!!

GtownBeerBelly Posted on 5/4 19:57
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I'm very much in the public eye in my work. Customers who buy a carpet for hundreds of quid often like to watch me work. One cock up and the carpet belongs to me as well and I have to pay for it. Would Stewart let me watch him work for nothing?

Try lugging carpets about six days a week, the mental stress of doing the maths AND driving all over the place. The lad has got the life of Riley and to whine about tiredness like a little girl is to laugh in the face of REAL workers. I'm one of his biggest fans btw.

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foomanboro Posted on 5/4 20:22
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As tiring a carrying carpets maybe i very much doubt you would be fit enough to do what downing does.

GtownBeerBelly Posted on 5/4 20:28
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Certainly not now but I swear at eighteen I could have done his job and found another full time job to keep me busy (lack of talent notwithstanding) Don't be fooled by club spin, they're havin' a laugh.

sasboro Posted on 5/4 20:36
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good to see thgis thread up at nearly 100.

sorry i had to leave work early so didn get a chance to reply

this tiredness lark fools nobody apart from gullible fans. We need to choose if we truly want a successful club or do we want players who cant cope with extra games that comke from success. The club knew at the begining of the season we would be playing extra gamers cos of uefa cup so they should have planned for it better. So will it be any different next season if we are back in uefa cup?

Lisbonlegend, what game do you reckon downing played for the under 21's this season.

Anyway i'm a bit tired of all these gullible fans that believe that the players are tired when infact they are not as good as players like rooney,lampard..etc or just badly off form aqnd unmotivated.

I dare some of you to tell your boss that you are tired and need a day off. then come back on here and tell me ehat your boss said. Footballer have never done a hard days work in their life

maybe some of these professional athletes in football should shadow the part tine players who work 5 days a week, play saturday and train on evenings after work. now that is tiring

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foomanboro Posted on 5/4 20:56
re: Downing admits suffering from exhaustion.

When i was at uni at couple of years back i was playing sunday league football, doing bar work at night and at least 5 hours of lab work, 5 days a week. I barely had a spare moment to myself.

Having said that i can say i could probably barely last 15 minutes playing football at the pace they do at the premiership and i'm not exactly unfit by any means.

You guys who say you could do what downing does are having a laugh.

sasboro Posted on 5/4 21:07
re: Downing admits suffering from exhaustion.

2 hours training 4 days a week..1 or 2 matches of 90 minutes exercise a week..hardly as bad is it as a full time job and part time football.

Fooman, your probably not good enough to play top flight football. Nowt to do with not being tired.

skiprat Posted on 5/4 21:15
re: Downing admits suffering from exhaustion.

2 hours training?!

They do more than that. They train to a level that no fat cnt on here can attain.

Face it Sas, you've been nailed by every single point in this thread. Players suffer from tiredness, it happens, deal with it.

foomanboro Posted on 5/4 21:20
re: Downing admits suffering from exhaustion.

What can i say sas you shattered my dreams of becoming a top class footballer. I really thought i had a chance of making it.

But seriously, you really have no idea how exhausting it would be to play in a premiership game like that. As someone said earlier the game is a lot faster down on the pitch then it looks in the stands.

Those guys are top athletes, but i think you are mistaking them for robots, whom all you have to do with is change the battery now and again. Human body doesn't work that way.

micky_k86 Posted on 5/4 21:21
re: Downing admits suffering from exhaustion...

100

borobadge Posted on 5/4 21:21
re: Downing admits suffering from exhaustion.

he must be shagged..that 100 on the bounce....

sasboro Posted on 5/4 21:21
re: Downing admits suffering from exhaustion.

I've been nailed on none of them, the fact is tiredness is used as an excuse when a player is struggling for form. Thats common sense an only gullible fans fall for it each time. it's a buzz word. maybe it's a good thing if we dont get back into europe so players can rest for the league. Top class players can cope with more games. Juninho never complained of tiredness
roy keane 37 (3) , ireland 6 (1) total 43(4)

45 games in 32 weeks or 17 games in 13 weeks is less than 2 games a week..footballers chould be able to cope with that

fooman, you ask a cyclist,marathon runner,mountain climbers about being tired.

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foomanboro Posted on 5/4 21:23
re: Downing admits suffering from exhaustion.

My first ton in a while. Thank you for everyones contribution.

I think their should bonus points given to me as well, because throughout the thread no petty name calling ensued.

skiprat Posted on 5/4 21:25
re: Downing admits suffering from exhaustion...

As has already been pointed out to you REPEATEDLY it's not how many games have been played that matters but the consistency of playing those games. Can you not agree that it's going to be harder for a player to play 20 games in a row, rather than play 10, have a rest for one week, play 6 have a rest for one and then play another 4? Because if you can't then I'm going to leave this thread as you're obviously too stupid to continue bothering "debating" with.

foomanboro Posted on 5/4 21:29
re: Downing admits suffering from exhaustion.

"the fact is tiredness is used as an excuse when a player is struggling for form. Thats common sense an only gullible fans fall for it each time. it's a buzz word. maybe it's a good thing if we dont get back into europe so players can rest for the league."

No its science fact. That why we now have a crack teams of sports scientists, physios, nutritionists to help combat the very real stresses and strains of the modern game.

Could so many people who's job it is to be experts in this field be wrong or have the hypocritical self-rightous fat pie-eating fans in the crowd got it right.

I think i'll side with professionals on this thankyou very much.

sasboro Posted on 5/4 21:35
re: Downing admits suffering from exhaustion.

in the gazette downing complains about recent weeks having a strain on him. looking at the fixtures he's played 5 games in a month..hardly gonna make you tired is it? hasnt downing just had 2 weeks free from a competitive game? i think he had one in january and then the week off from the fa cup weekend we didnt play

I think they need to look at the training methods, maybe the fatigue is coming from too much hard training along with muscle and knee injuries we keep getting. much to sort out in the summer.
Has zenden ever complained about being tired? Probably not.

Anyway i'll let this thread be now youve got your 100. Hopfully next season this tiredness lark can be banned and so we can take this club to the next level instead of complaining about too many games

skiprat 45 games in 32 weeks or 17 games in 13 weeks is not particularly tiring..you may have a case if it was 60 games in 32 weeks or 26 games in 13 weeks.


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skiprat Posted on 5/4 21:38
re: Downing admits suffering from exhaustion.

"Can you not agree that it's going to be harder for a player to play 20 games in a row, rather than play 10, have a rest for one week, play 6 have a rest for one and then play another 4? Because if you can't then I'm going to leave this thread as you're obviously too stupid to continue bothering "debating" with."

Not like you to ignore a point Sas? Just like the "We haven't played in a two point per game period for years" statement bullsht that you came out last week which you also ignored.

skiprat Posted on 5/4 21:40
re: Downing admits suffering from exhaustion.

"skiprat 45 games in 32 weeks or 17 games in 13 weeks is not particularly tiring..you may have a case if it was 60 games in 32 weeks or 26 games in 13 weeks."

How in the World would you know what's tiring and what's not? 2 games of 90 minutes football, plus training would be tiring for anyone.

sasboro Posted on 5/4 21:42
re: Downing admits suffering from exhaustion.

steven gerrard 33(1), england 10(0), total 43(1)
hyppia 40(0), finland 6(0) total 46(0)

skiprat Posted on 5/4 21:45
re: Downing admits suffering from exhaustion.

"Sammi Hyypia, who looks to have benefitted from the break he was given before tonight"

foomanboro Posted on 5/4 21:48
re: Downing admits suffering from exhaustion.

How about comparing minutes on the pitch rather than appearences?

How about comparing with players who play in a similar position to downing?

How about comparing with players of similar age to downing?

How about comapring with a player who is also having his first season of playing regular first team football like downing?

Instead of throwing up pointless stats sas, how about actually making a useful and significant experimental comparison that meets all the above criteria? As usual though i can only expect you to evade the point completely again.

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sasboro Posted on 5/4 21:49
re: Downing admits suffering from exhaustion.

jamie carrager 44(0), england 5(4) total 49(4)

riise 45(3), norway 6(0), 51(3)

sorry promise no more

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foomanboro Posted on 5/4 21:50
re: Downing admits suffering from exhaustion.



I'd call myself nostradamus if you weren't so predictable sasboro.

sasboro Posted on 5/4 21:56
re: Downing admits suffering from exhaustion.

sorry couldnt resist one more!

finnan 40(6),ireland 8(1) ,48(7)

skiprat Posted on 5/4 22:10
re: Downing admits suffering from exhaustion.

One more what?

dsp007 Posted on 5/4 22:29
re: Downing admits suffering from exhaustion...

Why then are Crystal Palace doing so well fitness wise according
to opta index ? they have a small squad,they may not be able to match teams for skill but are certainly a lot fitter than most teams.
Could it not just be down to training techniques,stamina training
individuals looking after themselves,resting when they get the chance and attitude?

skiprat Posted on 5/4 22:31
re: Downing admits suffering from exhaustion...

The simple reason why our players are so tired is that we've had to play basically the same players for months because of how bad our injuries are.

Put our injuries into anyone elses team this season and they would struggle, especially the teams with smaller squads.

dsp007 Posted on 5/4 22:48
re: Downing admits suffering from exhaustion.

Fooman
If top managers are constantly complaining about the number of matches they have to play,then they should stop playing meaningless matches in the Far East and USA in the summer
but they won`t because these games are cashcows for the clubs.

scoea Posted on 5/4 22:50
re: Downing admits suffering from exhaustion.

This is a thread that shows a series of typical responses from Sas. Valid points have been raised throughout and he has failed to deal with any of them. Instead, he chooses to reply with another question or meaningless stat.

Well, here are the facts Sas:

1. You have never, nor will you ever, be a professional Premiership footballer therefore you will never know how fit these lads are nor how much of a strain on the body a 90 minute professional match is.

2. You have not got a degree or any qualifications in such disciplines as sports science, physiotherapy, nutrition, fitness, physiology or medicine therefore you will never be able to reasonably argue against the vast wealth of knowledge on this subject that is diametrically opposed to your viewpoint.

3. You wwill never be able to provide enough experience in top flight management to prove the likes of McClaren, Wenger, Mourinho, Eriksson, Ferguson etc etc wrong. They have all maintained that large squads are needed to combat the exhaustive fixture list in this country.

4. You will never be able to show that Downing playing in every single match for Boro without ever being subbed since early October is the same as other players playing a similar number of games but having had rest periods is the same.

5. You will never be able to show that England friendlies or games that the likes of Chelsea are cruising in are the same physical intensity as a game in which there is a tight scoreline being fought out until the bitter end.

6. You will never be able to show that having 10 other players around you that have played in the same number of consecutive games without rest is the same as playing in a team where 5 or 6 players are fresh having been rested.

So give everybody a break and give it up. You have been battered in this thread. Just accept it.

dsp007 Posted on 5/4 22:52
re: Downing admits suffering from exhaustion.

Lisbonlegend
"Downing was running his knackers off trying to get aplace in the England team" well thats the first time he`s run
his knackers off since rumours he would make the England squad appeared.
In all honesty he did not deserve to be in the England squad and probably wouldn`t be if his boss wasn`t England No2.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 5/4 23:08
re: Downing admits suffering from exhaustion.

Well said Scoea.

The simple fact is that in the early season Downing produced a level of performance capable of elevating him into the England squad. Having reached that level of performance he has had to play 2 highly competitive games week in week out where he is literally Middlesbrough's main attacking threat. For a 20 year old lad to play a contact sport at that level without a period of rest against fully physically developed men for months on end is a hell of a lot to ask. Cumulative fatigue does build up, I know, I've played 40 games in a season and it's difficult to be at your best in every single match.

When he says he's tired he doesn't mean he needs another hour in bed but that he actually needs time for his muscles to recover from a testing schedule.

What you are saying SAS is that you believe that rest is not an essential part of a human's make up.

DSP007 - Downing is a young lad with a bright future. He may not be firing on all cylinders at the minute but he will be a future England international for years to come so is allowed to settle in with the squad.

MyBoro Posted on 6/4 0:20
re: Downing admits suffering from exhaustion.

Scoe - what you on
every one of the things you say apply to you as well so your the same as SAS and the rest of us - Unqualified

He's a young lad playing football for his home town club. We've just had our first win for a while following two weeks without a game and the best he can come up with is I'm tired.

Sorry but he is using an poor excuse. He has just had a fortnight without a game, so he did train as do players who are rotated.

Tired or not the lad should not be making excuses. He should be talking up the next seven games and be prepared to run through brick walls for the cause. he will get a few months paid leave then no doubt

Lisbonlegend Posted on 6/4 0:23
re: Downing admits suffering from exhaustion.

If the lad feels jaded and is being criticised for his performances then surely it's only right that he's honest?

scoea Posted on 6/4 4:33
re: Downing admits suffering from exhaustion.

MyBoro - You're dead right, I am not qualified which is why I accept what the expert staff in the club say, what the best managers in the country say and what Stewy Downing is saying.

arma Posted on 6/4 8:29
re: Downing admits suffering from exhaustion.

is it that hard to understand that age etc doesnt really make that much of a difference (obviously a 38 year old would tire quicker than a 22 year old).

Not every 21 year old is as fit as every other 21 year old. Everyone has different attributes otherwise what would be the point - the youngest team in the league would win every season.

Surely when you were younger there were some of your mates that were quicker/stronger/more athletic than you, even though you were the same age?

He isnt the strongest player in the world and if you went back 12 months he certainly wouldn't have expected to have played 40 odd games this season, its probably taken him by suprise as he's used to playing maybe 20 a season with the reserves?

And the money arguement doesnt even come into it, no amount of money per week can magically increase your stamina or your fitness, every human has their own limit and they arent all as high as Frank Lampard's

skiprat Posted on 6/4 8:57
re: Downing admits suffering from exhaustion.

"He's a young lad playing football for his home town club. We've just had our first win for a while following two weeks without a game and the best he can come up with is I'm tired.

Sorry but he is using an poor excuse. He has just had a fortnight without a game, so he did train as do players who are rotated."

I cannot believe how easily people are missing the POINT in this thread and with the entire tiredness issue.

Yes he trained the same as players who have been roatated, but lets compare this to Newcastle, they've just been in Dubai for a week, our own players have just been away for a week etc. I think we'll see a big difference in his level of performance after he's been away for a week after the Arsenal game. He needs a BREAK, not a rest, not missing games for two weeks but a total BREAK from everything.

The other players you're mentioning, what percentage of those have played two games a week for the last 3 months without a break due to injuries in the team? Now you've got that percentage, what number in that group are young lads, playing their VERY FIRST competitive season in probably the fastest, most physically demanding league in the World?

scoea Posted on 6/4 16:57
re: Downing admits suffering from exhaustion.

Just a prod up for Sas to respond.

boroboy75 Posted on 6/4 17:00
re: Downing admits suffering from exhaustion.

scoea 4:43!!!!
Well done, fella.

sasboro Posted on 6/4 17:01
re: Downing admits suffering from exhaustion.

i think we are all tired of this thread now.

i've proved my point by listing about 20 other players who have played about as many games as downing this season.some are old some are young. but overall they are not claiming to be tired. For every player someone makes up an excuse - rooney- he's a freak built like a 25 year old, lampard - he naturally fitter..etc

i predict after arsenal game another player will come out and claim to be tired. I think frank q's turn must be upon us.

scoea Posted on 6/4 17:11
re: Downing admits suffering from exhaustion.

BB75 - tell me about it!!!

Absolutely no sleep whatsover last night - literally!

Sas - I was just seeing if I could tempt you back into the thread!!!

foomanboro Posted on 6/4 17:12
re: Downing admits suffering from exhaustion.

"i think we are all tired of this thread now."

Yes we are because you have managed to avoid every single valid point put up to you.

"i've proved my point by listing about 20 other players who have played about as many games as downing this season.some are old some are young. but overall they are not claiming to be tired."

No. You only proved that you can not answer the arguments put to you. I would write them out again but you would only end up ignoring them again and start listing pointless and irrelevant appearance stats again.

Minutes on the pitch, NOT number of appearences is what is required. Therefore declaring all of your stats null and void.

I thank you.

sasboro Posted on 6/4 22:29
re: Downing admits suffering from exhaustion.

lampard looked tired tonight again

ravsplumber Posted on 6/4 23:03
re: Downing admits suffering from exhaustion.

Downing should have ample time to rest this summer. I hope that he's focusing totally on Boro's last 7 PL matches and not on Sven's needless and tiring-in-itself summer holiday jaunt to the U.S.

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samizdat Posted on 7/4 0:07
re: Downing admits suffering from exhaustion.

Fatigue is as much mental as physical. Anyone who has played any sport comepttively knows that when you win you do not feel tired. You want to get out there and play again. When you lose you feel drained and after a run of defeats it is very difficult to go into the next game with full energy and commitment. I suspect Downing's tiredness owes a lot to the team's poor form. Rooney's appetite for the game is helped by his team's success at both club and country level.

sasboro Posted on 7/4 9:49
re: Downing admits suffering from exhaustion.

samizdat, spot on there!

where's biull beswick when you need him

skiprat Posted on 7/4 10:37
re: Downing admits suffering from exhaustion.

Can I ask how you know that none of the players you've mentioned aren't tired Sas?

sasboro Posted on 7/4 10:43
re: Downing admits suffering from exhaustion.

becuase they have complained about being tired. unless of course they are assumed to be tired unless they confirm they arent tired,

samizdat knows what hes talking about players in teams doing well or on form rarely complain about tiredness..what id bill beswicks role again?

skiprat Posted on 7/4 10:45
re: Downing admits suffering from exhaustion.

How do you know they haven't complained?

Avid reader of icliverpool and icmanchester are you?

It's hardly rocket science to come up with the statement that you're going to whinge less when things are going your way.

sasboro Posted on 7/4 11:17
re: Downing admits suffering from exhaustion.

so i must agree with you that unless they say they arent tired then i should assume they are tired

scoea Posted on 7/4 11:21
re: Downing admits suffering from exhaustion.

Sas - you are excellent at avoiding the points made by others with that technique you have of answering a question with a queation!!

sasboro Posted on 7/4 11:26
re: Downing admits suffering from exhaustion.

i'm not avoiding point, i listed many palyers that have played about sam enumber of games as downing. for example lampard..he isnt tired yet he's played 60 games this season and scored 2 last night. He doesnt complain cos his confidence is sky high, team is playing well and mentaly he can cope. why is he not tired? he's at less rest than any player in the premier league this season? Maybe some of the boro players that are feeling tired are not mentally up for being at a successful club. I understand baoteng was tired with 15 minutes to go at palace? now this is genuine cos he's just come back from injury and not 100% fit.

THe question is do we really want to have a successful club? if the answer is yes, then these players mentaly need to cope with more high pressure game or we need to have a bigger squad. if we cant have a bigger squad then we need to pay less to have a bigger squad. It aint rocket science! Do the players have the appetite to take this club to another level? again i ask what is bill beswicks job?

sasboro Posted on 7/4 11:32
re: Downing admits suffering from exhaustion.

ok, lets say the players are genuinely tired and assume we get back into europe and a player like downing keeps making the england squad. how will you suggest we learn the lessons for next season so they are not tired? bigger squad on lower wages? stop them form playing for their countries? bin the carling cup and fa cup? how can this club progress if everyseason the players will be tired?how would you break this catch 22 thing of tiredness creaps in as a club becomes more successful?

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foomanboro Posted on 7/4 11:47
re: Downing admits suffering from exhaustion.

For the millionth time your stats are irrelavent sas. Until your statistics meet all the following criteria, your arguments and stats are worthless;

1)comparing minutes on the pitch rather than appearences

2)comparing with players who play in a similar position to downing?

3)comparing with players of similar age to downing

4)comparing with a player who is also having his first season of playing regular first team football like downing

5)comparing with a player has played the same number of consecutive games as downing.

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skiprat Posted on 7/4 11:48
re: Downing admits suffering from exhaustion.

For about the 15th time, Downings tiredness issue isn't in relation to the number of games he's played in total, but the fact that he's been playing two games a week for the last few months without a break, due to the injuries to the rest of the squad.

We do not have a big enough squad to cope with the number of first team injuries we've had (who does aside from the top three?) Downing has had to play more CONSECUTIVE games than he should be at this level, his first full season in the Premier League. It was months ago that McClaren was saying he'd love to have given Downing, Southgate and Parlour a rest but couldn't because of the injuries. Parlour got injured and we saw the difference it made to Southgate when he had a rest against Palace compared to some of his games lately. We WILL see the same difference in Downing after he's been away for a week after the Arsenal game, who has been very poor lately because he looks drained.

Has been pointed out also on more than 50 occasions, Downing and Lampard are incomparable.

A big thing was made about Liverpool injury list on Tuesday night and they have

a) A bigger squad than us
b) More money than us
c) Less injuries

There is no cycle. It's just been incredibly ridiculous bad luck this season and you can't go out and buy 10 players just incase you get injuries, no matter how cheap they are, because then you're going to have a bad dressing room with 15 players not in the first team who think they should be.

Thank fcuk I'm not a Premiership manager!

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sasboro Posted on 7/4 11:51
re: Downing admits suffering from exhaustion.

"Thank fcuk I'm not a Premiership manager!"

even at 1M a year?

so for next season we keep a small squad and hope for the best and let players get tired..surely we have to look for a solution and not just shrug our shoulders and say thats life. If there is no solution to this tiredness then how can the club progress

you still do not explain how some chelsea players dont complain about being tired depsite playing over 50 games this season. How many man utd player complained of tiredness when they won the league and chamopions league

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foomanboro Posted on 7/4 11:58
re: Downing admits suffering from exhaustion.

Yes the solution is a bigger squad so we can rotate and rest players. However with our current resources this is beyond our means.

This also answers your 2nd question relating to chelsea. The have a much bigger squad (not including youngsters) and who they are able to rotate and rest players as they wish. Therefore few of them needing to play consecutive games.

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sasboro Posted on 7/4 12:00
re: Downing admits suffering from exhaustion.

but players like lampard and terry have never been rested

skiprat Posted on 7/4 12:00
re: Downing admits suffering from exhaustion.

They were probably all too busy celebrating to be bothered to say they are tired. The fact that their managers always come out and say that they will enjoy their well earned break spells it out for me.

As I've said, just because they don't come out to the papers and say it, doesn't mean they aren't tired.

Regarding the players, there is no easy solution. Are you saying that we should go out and buy players just incase we DO have the same injuries as this year? What then happens if our first teamers stay fit for the majority of the season, losing maybe one or two to injury. What do you do with the players you bought you are beating down your door and demanding answers on why they aren't playing, if they knew they were bought for cover they'd have never signed etc?

I don't think for one minute the solution to the problem is going out and buying cheap players, just so we have cover, which seems to be what you're saying.

foomanboro Posted on 7/4 12:02
re: Downing admits suffering from exhaustion.

FFS Sas, since when did Terry or Lampard become 20 year old wingers having their first premiership season as regular 1st team players?

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sasboro Posted on 7/4 12:10
re: Downing admits suffering from exhaustion.

there you go again.. finding excuses to exclude any player who has played more games than downing. how about roy keane, surely downing must be fitter than keane aged about 31.

but lets look forweard and find ways to stop players from getting tired everyseason, cos this problem will keep coming up everytime we get a cup run or get into europe.

skiprat Posted on 7/4 12:13
re: Downing admits suffering from exhaustion.

Comparing Roy Keane to Downing.

Keane who hardly runs about in midfield because his knees have packed in, to a winger.

Well done mate, keep them coming.

foomanboro Posted on 7/4 12:14
re: Downing admits suffering from exhaustion.

Its not an excuse, but you seem to have terrible habit of comparing chalk to cheese.

"but lets look forweard and find ways to stop players from getting tired everyseason, cos this problem will keep coming up everytime we get a cup run or get into europe."

So you admit tiredness is a problem now. Well like i said a bigger squad would help. If we can find the resources to get some experienced squad players, this would definately help in the future.

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sasboro Posted on 7/4 12:18
re: Downing admits suffering from exhaustion.

what a surprise another excuse! out on the wing you can drifty in and out of games..in central midfield you probably have to work harder

what about terry henry?

i was just saying for sake of arguement they are tired, how do we solve the problem

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foomanboro Posted on 7/4 12:20
re: Downing admits suffering from exhaustion.

Do you suffer from selective sight sas. Look at my above post.