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boro_Maverick Posted on 3/5 15:10
MOWBRAY OR SMAC

If you had the choice now, and money was not an issue who would you have as the boro manager for next season.

This is just a poll.

Smac or Mowbray?

Mowbray for me

Jimmys_right_shoe Posted on 3/5 15:12
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hmm someone who manages a scottish team or someone who manages a premier league team who are currently 8th, hmmm tough choice

scoea Posted on 3/5 15:14
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Absolute genius.

Of all the threads containing jokes, this is the funniest to date. Keep it up.

mfc_1 Posted on 3/5 15:14
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these posts really get on my wick.
Why would we want to get rid of SMAC?

Here's another poll for you.
What does boro_Maverick know about football...
Zip
Nichts
Nada

borodrew Posted on 3/5 15:15
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biggest arse on this board.

fluteloop Posted on 3/5 15:16
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My brother was at a sportsmans dinner at the tall trees on Monday and got talking to Mowbray, who said he would jump at the chance to come back to boro they would only have to ask him.

Not that boro would actually ask him!

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ScarboroSmoggy Posted on 3/5 15:16
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Mogga

PapaJohn Posted on 3/5 15:17
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Mowbray, he would have more experience than SMAC had when he deemed to join us.

Depends if we get into Europe would be the clubs decision factor I reckon.

slaven_7 Posted on 3/5 15:17
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Flute>>> So would Gary Parkinson but would you have him?

fluteloop Posted on 3/5 15:18
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No, i'm just saying what he said. At the minute i'm happy with Smac, however i can't listen to his interviews!

Big_Shot Posted on 3/5 15:19
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Of course he would only need to be asked, a lot of managers would, the Boro managers job is a pretty good job to have.

fluteloop Posted on 3/5 15:22
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Yeah i know that, i'm not trying to stir things up. It's just what he said in conversation and obviously still has strong feelings for the club and the area.

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sasboro Posted on 3/5 15:22
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Mogga has just got manager of the year in scotland

BillyBill Posted on 3/5 15:22
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Might not be logical but Boro is about heart not brain - so Mogga without a second thought.

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boro_Maverick Posted on 3/5 15:25
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So as I expected Mogga is leading the way!

Mon Mogga!

captain5 Posted on 3/5 15:26
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Don't worry, the sensible people will be climbing back onto their seats shortly.

SMAC.

Big_Shot Posted on 3/5 15:28
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McClaren, not just for next season, for the next few at least.

lee_robbo Posted on 3/5 15:28
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id have mogga

Yarm_Legend Posted on 3/5 15:32
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Mogga without hesitation.

I spoke to him when he was coach at Ipswich and he said that he hoped he would manage Boro one day.

boro_Maverick Posted on 3/5 15:32
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Captain, your misplaced sense of arrogance comes from the fact that you stick to the party line when forming your views, step outside the box and you will see that smac is not a popular man..

sasboro Posted on 3/5 15:34
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mogga is doing it the hardway by doing his apprenticeship in a lowere league bit like fergie at aberdeen. Rather he made the mistakes at another club before coming to boro. Get your bets on now for a future england manager.

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Derby_Red Posted on 3/5 15:36
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This is mightily hilarious.
There seems to be a mental block when it comes to the curernt manager, as if he appeared out of school with no previous football coaching/management experience. Except for the years at Derby County and, where was it. Oh, Man U.

So while Mogga is dear to my heart, a proven Premiership WINNER of a manager with the team in 8th having worked without his full squad would be what the head would say.

I think you have a slate missing if you think anything else. We could go for other Boro legends too while we're at it. Souness, Robson anyone?

Pfffft!

Gillandi Posted on 3/5 15:36
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I fear for Mowbray in charge of Boro with his slightly imperfect facial features and speech impediment. There's a very shallow and moronic element of us now who can be extremely insensitive to things like that if results are not to their liking. It's not enough to just be a good manager these days, you have to look like a catalogue model too, so I'm sticking with McClaren.

scoea Posted on 3/5 15:37
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I didn't realised it was a serious thread.

McClaren every single time. Only a halfwit would remove a manager that won us our first trophy, took us to the last 16 in Europe, developed the club's ethos and discipline, brought through the country's top youngsters and is now on the verge of getting both the highest ever points tally and highest ever league placing in the club's Premiership history.

And someone even more dimwitted would then replace him with someone who has little experience of coaching or management in the English league and has only had moderate success in Scotland (a vastly superior league) on the basis that he was a pasionate former Boro captain.

captain5 Posted on 3/5 15:38
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No, I don't at all, actually.

My view on Mac is that he is doing okay (not fantastically) and he is building something we have never had here. However, he has not completed that, yet.

If there is anyone out there available who has a better record (recent, mind) and would realistically come here then I would be more than willing to consider them.

Mowbray is unproven unless you count being Ipswich assistant manager and doing not too badly in the worst league in Europe.

The step up from there to the PL is much bigger than I think many realise, for players and managers.

Anyone who says Mowbray is doing so on perceived personality rather than any logic.

boro_Maverick Posted on 3/5 15:40
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YL and Sas, my conern is that Mowbray will go on to be the next Celtic manager and then our chance may have gone, a lot of fans are saying, yes in the future, but you have to strike whilst you can.

sasboro Posted on 3/5 15:42
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But wasnt smac unproven(no managerial experience) as a manager before he came to boro, so why dismiss someone so quickly who has just been named scottish manager of the year? Maybe in 12 months time anotehr premiership club may take him on. cant see him coming to boro until smac leaves or is sacked

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Derby_Red Posted on 3/5 15:42
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Maverick, strike really early and employ a passionate ball boy as manager.

Almost as ridiculous a suggestion, but only just.

PapaJohn Posted on 3/5 15:42
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Well some dimwit did replace Robson after he had got us the most prem points and taken us to 3 cup finals so that argument is out of the window.

Derby_Red Posted on 3/5 15:44
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No some "dimwit" replaced Robson after he nearly got us relegated and had to get El Tel in to stop it.

Derby_Red Posted on 3/5 15:45
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Sorry, relegated AGAIN.

sasboro Posted on 3/5 15:45
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if it wasnt for the fans booing int he last home game, robson would have stayed on as manager.

Derby_Red Posted on 3/5 15:46
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I must apologise profusely, didn't win any of the 3 finals either.

Gillandi Posted on 3/5 15:48
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Maverick - What do you mean "if money were not an issue." Do you think Mowbray would want £2m a year to manage us? He's probably only on about £400k a year now and would presumably take a pay cut and walk over glass to manage his old club.

scoea Posted on 3/5 15:49
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Sas - two points:

1. I would take McCLaren's experience with Derby and Manure over Mogga's experience.
2. We are now in a completely different position to the one we were in when McClaren took over we were releagtion fodder then and are genuine top 6 contenders now.

BossHogg Posted on 3/5 15:50
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The choice :-

Manager of the season in his first season in SweatySockLand ahead of O'Neill and McCleish..

or

One of about 12 members of the Premiership 'attrition method' club, a man with absolutely no bravery what so ever..

Answer

Mogga, your time has come. Passion and motivation will be restored to the club, the players and the fans !!

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boro_Maverick Posted on 3/5 15:51
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The booing did for Robbo, no doubt about it, I bet half of these smac is god squad were booing.
Smac was not proven before he came here, he was following somebody else orders, now as far as footballing matters go he is the top man, Ferguson always said that his negativity is his problem, and it has proved to be that way.

Derby_Red Posted on 3/5 15:52
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"Mogga, your time has come. Passion and motivation will be restored to the club, the players and the fans !!"

It might well be till we get mullered by the 12 attrition managers then it'll be a case of large amounts of boos and a call for stability.

Big_Shot Posted on 3/5 15:53
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Its strange how much high regard manager of the year in Scotland is held in by people on here.

Derby_Red Posted on 3/5 15:54
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"negativity is his problem".

It's a great problem. Can we have more of it cos it makes us score bagloads of goals and win trophies. Bring it on!

scoea Posted on 3/5 15:54
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BigShot - Idiotic is what it is.

I cannot seriously believe what I am reading.

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boro_Maverick Posted on 3/5 15:55
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No Gillandi I think its fair to assume that Mogag would ask for less than smac is earning, I was trying to avoid the fact that Smac would need to be paid off, I didn't want to complicate the issue, simply who would you prefer to be in charge.

The power of the boro manager is akin to the power the pope has on the catholics, he either makes you happy or sad.

dicky200005 Posted on 3/5 15:55
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this is the most stupid question ever steve mcclaren by i country mile

Gillandi Posted on 3/5 15:58
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"Ferguson always said that his negativity is his problem."

Where and when has he said this?

Derby_Red Posted on 3/5 15:59
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I think it was meant to be controversial.

Controversial it might have been intended, but stupid it is.

I'm even dafter for helping the daft get to his aim of 100 posts.

boro_Maverick Posted on 3/5 16:01
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This is not an aim at 100, I couldn't care less if it made it to 99 and admin pulled it, I wanted to gauge if tghe users of this site had started moving to the same place as most boro fans, it seems there has been some movement.

Gillandi, one quote was in his autobio, were he roughly said, when we equalised with Bayern Munchen smac said to go back to 4-4-2 but i said no we will win this, if Steve has one problem it is that he is overly cautious.

Big_Shot Posted on 3/5 16:02
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I could understand it if Hibs had been up amongst Rangers and Celtic all season battling for the title only just to narrowly miss out. But a distant 3rd in a poor league is hardly that great an achievement is it.

I think he got manager of the year award because neither Celtic or Rangers have really stamped their aunthority on the league this season even though they are well clear so they have decided to go for the new guy who's a distant 3rd. I think its fair enough that they decided that but its hardly a amazing achievement to be awarded it.

skiprat Posted on 3/5 16:03
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Why is it that you cannot disagree with Maverick, but HAVE to be labelled as a McClaren lover?

I'm firmly in the middle ground but wouldn't take on Mowbray as yet.

He still has a lot to prove, wheras we have a manager still in the middle of building something good here. A manager who has actually won a trophy, not just a manager of the year medal in a rubbish league.

Would you want Gary Pallister here, if he was the successful mamager of a Slovakian team?

Passion alone doesn't win you football matches.

Mowbray wouldn't have done any better with our depleted squad this season and I very much doubt that he would have the same clout in buying/bringing in players, as McClaren has.

scoea Posted on 3/5 16:03
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So based on one reference to that one game in the Final, you interpreted that as Ferguson slating McClaren for his negativity?!?!?!?!?!?

tweedle Posted on 3/5 16:05
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Mogga

UgoAfro Posted on 3/5 16:05
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"Ferguson always said that his negativity is his problem"

Did he? When did he say this? Was it before or after he helped them to the treble?

I live in Scotland and Mowbray is getting a lot of good press. However what has struck me in his interviews is the fact that he is a very modern manager. He is extremely thoughtful, leaving nothing in his preparation to chance, and firmly embraces modern technologies in his management. Rather like Steve McClaren in fact.

If Tony continues to be successful I would be more than happy for him to be a future Boro manager when McClaren has moved on. But all those calling for him to be installed now be aware that succcessful football management has changed a lot and it might not be all diving headers into the Holgate End goal that you imagined.

UgoAfro Posted on 3/5 16:06
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Knackers

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boro_Maverick Posted on 3/5 16:07
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Skiprat this depleted squas is HIS squad, its depleted because he buys crocks, scoea that was just one quote, there are plenty more of those bad boys coming later.

This wasn't a sack smac thread, I just wondered who people would prefer, and it certainly seems that things have changed since xmas,.

speckyget Posted on 3/5 16:09
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Things certainly have changed since Xmas. The smacouters want Smac out. The Smac supporters want him to stay.

Only now it's May.

captain5 Posted on 3/5 16:10
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I don't think he particularly buys crocks. He has bought older players, but the only one who I would say is genuinely a crock is Viduka and I don't think anyone was calling him a crock when we signed him.

Gillandi Posted on 3/5 16:11
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Alex Ferguson on McClaren.

"He's an outstanding man, believe me. He can make a decision, he's honest and he has got great respect from players. He is a terrific coach and he spots things. He'll do well."

Link: From BBC Sport

scoea Posted on 3/5 16:13
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Boro Maverick - could you list these crocks please?

sasboro Posted on 3/5 16:14
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I'll start him off Reiziger and christie

PapaJohn Posted on 3/5 16:16
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SMAC should be sacked if we dont get into UEFA cup this year, end of story. He may resign anyway!

No UEFA cup means breaking up the ageing team.

dicky200005 Posted on 3/5 16:18
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didnt a bloke called bryan robson suddenly everyones hero buy old past there sell by date players

brian deane
andy townsend
garry palister
gazza

to name a few

scoea Posted on 3/5 16:18
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OK Sas - how many games had they missed prior to signing for Boro then?

skiprat Posted on 3/5 16:19
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How is someone who has had three extremely unlucky broken bones a crock?

A crock is someone who gets constant niggles and is always out with small injuries, not broken bones.

BillyBill Posted on 3/5 16:30
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Townsend and Deane were sheite but normally available

scoea Posted on 3/5 16:33
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The fact remains that the vast majority (probably all) of McClaren's buys have had very good appearance records. We have just been unlucky I'm afraid.

boroboyinbath Posted on 3/5 16:34
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I have said it before.... championship manager + championship players = championship team.

I get the impression that that is the aim of some of the posters to get us relegated....

Passion wins bog all these days, you need a mix of passion and flair and experiance and youth and local and international players, we are getting there and some would rather change it all to get a lower league manager and get some lower league players to replace our proven quality players..... ffs some people seem to be hankering back to the 3rd division we had passion and local players. Is it better than Europe ? Or linked with quality european players ? Or back to the Mark Denisses and Steve Spriggs of this world ?

We have had a lot of injuries more than any other team and yet we are still in contention for a european place that in itself is no mean feat. Liverpool continually blame injuries and they have vastly supperior funds and are a much larger club than us, yet from what I've seen they are only one or 2 players better than us.

Incidentally, only 1 team in the history of the premier leauge have sacked a manager whilst in the top half of the table.

I also can't believe people question MACs passion, his interviews are bland but his passion and will to win are clear for all to see on the touchline.

PapaJohn Posted on 3/5 16:36
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Aye, Maccarone been a regular in Serie A this season. 8.15million smackers.

Derby_Red Posted on 3/5 16:38
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Doesn't make for a good soap opera of a thread though does it, facts and that.

I think having maverick in a username means you have to try and be arsey. Trouble is, that's best done with a deal of wit, sadly lacking in this playground drama.

Which I keep posting on. Good point that.

Derby_Red Posted on 3/5 16:38
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Easy target.

Now try "Southgate".

PapaJohn Posted on 3/5 16:41
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I'll raise you a Ricketts

Derby_Red Posted on 3/5 16:44
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Ahh as predictable as Maverick.

Excellent.

I see your Ricketts and raise you a Queuedrue, Boateng, Zenden, Hasselbaink, Parlour, Mendieta, Juninho and Riggott.

PapaJohn Posted on 3/5 16:55
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i'll c ya for a Mendi and a Tricha

boro_Maverick Posted on 3/5 17:07
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The very same Juninho who we paid up his contract, give your head a shake!

scoea Posted on 3/5 17:18
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Yep, that's the one. The little one that contributed hugely to us winning our first trophy.

Gillandi Posted on 3/5 17:23
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And the same one who contributed nothing to the worst season in Celtics recent history and had his contract paid up there too.

RedWurzel Posted on 3/5 17:26
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Too early for Mogga, give him another 2 years at Hibs, with some experience of Europe and a cup win in Scotland then he's worth serious consideration, if SMac moves on, or we are struggling in the Premier.

With respect to our backroom who are doing a good job, it would be great to have Mogga as McClaren's assistant.

I agree SMAC is cautious, but most of the time he is right to be, especially away from home. We have had some excellent results against MU playing cautious, In the Premier you have to play to your strengths and its easier for a club with limited resources like the Boro to stop goals than score them. 51 goals this season shows he is not defensive minded relative to the rest of the division over a whole season. In fact if we had been more cautious we would have won at Norwich!

Scrote Posted on 3/5 17:48
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for the record (as mav seems to be taking this seriously) i'm with smac for the forseeable...

fatharrywhite Posted on 3/5 19:06
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this is just unbelievable. i find it incredible that people would genuinely take mogga over mac at this moment in time. it makes me ashamed to be a boro that we have fans supporting us that seem to know absolutely nothing about the game.

thank god steve gibson is chairman and not boro_maverick, papajohn and yarm_legend et al cos if they were we'd currently be playing league one football.

One thing is for sure, if/when mogga becomes our manager (and i expect him to be one day) i hope he does ok cos i guarantee that the very same people who dont like mac will be first on here slagging off mogga.

20_Briggsy Posted on 3/5 19:08
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Agreed fatharrywhite.

Boro must have the largest clueless following in the land. Just my opinion mind, but I've heard many say the same.

tweedle Posted on 3/5 19:38
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"Boro must have the largest clueless following in the land"

and you are right at the top of the list.

BobUpndown Posted on 3/5 20:21
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McClaren.. by a long way..

Mogga in the future once he's gained experience..

McC was already renound as one of the best, most progressive coaches.. in europe.. Mogga, all respect to him, was known only in Boro, Ipswich and Glasgow..

Nedkat Posted on 3/5 20:32
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Give up on the man who won us our first silverware ? The man who is building a team for the future ? The man who has us close to finishing in our best position ? The man who took us into Europe ?

I'll go for Mowbray !!

gazanolan Posted on 3/5 21:47
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I havent/cant be bothered reading the rest of the thread but the fact is Mac is here next season , wont be going anywhere till his contract is up the following summer .

Tillerman93 Posted on 3/5 21:50
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Without doubt...Tony Mowbray, who cares about 8th in the Premiership...I wanna see passion and heart.

Coulth Posted on 3/5 22:00
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PapaJohn:

"Well some dimwit did replace Robson after he had got us the most prem points and taken us to 3 cup finals so that argument is out of the window."

THis is possibly the worst argument I've heard on this board.

Answer these:

Did we get rid of Robson the season after our last final appearance?

Did we get rid of Robson the season after that highest prem points total?

I'll answer them for you. No we didn't. We got rid of Robson after an awful season, not after a season in which he'd done well.

If we were currently struggling at the bottom you'd have a case for getting rid of Mac, but we're not, we're fighting for a european place, something that hasn't happened before. So lets get rid shall we?

uncle_harry Posted on 3/5 22:09
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another sucker whose fallen for this 'passion is everything 'bollox , Id be passionate if i managed them but it needs more than that to manage a multi lingual multicultural multi million pound workforce in the glare or 24 media criticism

alan ball was passionate - a failure in management
souness was passionate - a failure in management
bobby murdoch was passionate a failure in management
bobby moore was passionate - a failure in management
robson was passionate - the jury's out but he didnt win owt and maclaren will beat his best season this time round ( and I bet you were baying for his blood too
bobby charlton was passionate - flopped as a boss (mus I go on) ffs

Tillerman93 Posted on 3/5 22:19
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Well you clearly know fook all regarding football if you think that the current display from the team merits support.
Robson stayed too long, and McClaren has taken the club as far as we can go...wait and see, next season could be an interesting season.

uncle_harry Posted on 3/5 22:24
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I support them good bad and indifferent because they represent my town. , the display on saturday was full of character and commitment, but even if it hadnt been i wouldnt stop supporting them

My point was it takes more than passion to be a competent manager there's loads of passionate fans on this board but that doesnt make them competent managers

as for took us as far as we can go - you do like your sky sports cliches dont you? maclarens taken us to a cup victory the last 8 in europe and possibly into europe again, with almost certainly our best ever placeing in the premiership, he s took us a bit father than we've ever been on 2 for certain and almost defintely 3 fronts

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borodrew Posted on 3/5 22:31
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of course the current displays deserve support you idiot. liverpool was quality, and what your whinging about - passion, newcastle was a good point which we could have won or lost, and we walloped west brom. we drew with fulham which was dissapointing but then beat palace. just because weve had injuries and havent been good enough in terms of quality doesnt mean anything.

Tillerman93 Posted on 3/5 22:48
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Sky Sports cliches...no i'll leave them to McClaren.

People keep on yarping on about the 8th or 7th placed finish...big fooking kahunas! It matters none.

This has been the most overated, tedious season I have endured in a long time, and the Riverside stadium is a lacklustre pile of concrete shiite!

BoroMod Posted on 3/5 23:15
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No one wants Mogga to manage our club more than me but its not time just yet. McLaren is doing a good job and we are progressing each season. We really need Europe next season though.

Mogga has done a fantastic job at Hibernian and deserves all the recognition he is receiving but he will have to wait a while to manage the club he loves.
The man is as much Boro as the rest of us and will manage the club one day. When that day comes i'm sure he'll be fantastic manager for us.

dooderooni Posted on 3/5 23:39
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Ra-ra coming through!

Sorry I'm a bit late lads but I'm here in the end.

I'd like to see McClaren given an extended contract please. I'm not one for chopping and changing managers every few years just because you can.

Few clubs that appoint a new manager every couple of years get sustained success so if possible I'd like us to have some stability and continuity. Until things start going wrong, and despite what people say to the contrary, they haven't as yet, then I'm happy to see McClaren here.

Build on what we have rather than start again is what I say.

mowbrays_number_4 Posted on 3/5 23:44
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well done boro maverick.on the week of a very important league game in which all true boro fans should be focusing on supporting the team towards another season in europe,you start a ridiculous thread to try and cause unrest before the game.

sad really.

but in answer to your question-mcclaren.he should remain manager until start to go severely wrong.

20_Briggsy Posted on 3/5 23:45
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Give over tweedle, what justifies that comment? Do you see me demanding a change at the top, despite all thats being achieved?

OverTheTopAussie Posted on 4/5 5:37
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If Mowbray was appointed now, then all these "passionate" fans would be:-
1) booing those overpaid, passionless, experineced, quality players as they walked out the gate never to return,
2) cheering their mate Mogga and their new "passionate" Boro (all local lads now ya hear) all the way down to the Championship and beyond,

And while we're at it Tillerman, yeh, lets get rid of the Riverside. We won't need a state of the art stadium anyway, just a local park.

My prediction - SM to stay for another successful year or two, building the team further and achieving new goals, before taking the England job. After that, if Mowbray continues to do well he's in with a shout.

If things start falling apart with SM (eg back to battling relegation), then THAT may be the time to get Mowbray in a little early.

Eddie_Catflap Posted on 4/5 6:39
re: MOWBRAY OR SMAC

Not even going to bother reading the thread. McClaren. What a daft question.

boro_Maverick Posted on 4/5 7:17
re: MOWBRAY OR SMAC

I would say more people want mogga on the face of this

zaphod Posted on 4/5 7:40
re: MOWBRAY OR SMAC

Success is a very fragile thing for an unfashionable club like the Boro. I'm amazed that so many fans would seriously be prepared to risk throwing it all away by replacing Steve Mac with a relatively unknown quantity.

The time for taking risks is when you've haven't got much to lose. Steve Mac was a risky appointment at the time, but it's been a slow grind upwards ever since and that's all right with me. It's been dull at times, but in my 48 years supporting the Boro I can't remember when we didn't have quite a few dull games in a season.

The Boro must have some of the least perceptive fans in the PL. I sometimes feel embarrassed by the comments I hear around me at home and away games, which mostly seem to reflect preconceptions about players and the manager rather than what is actually happening on the pitch.

fatharrywhite Posted on 4/5 9:05
re: MOWBRAY OR SMAC

boro_maverick a quick head count gives 12 for mac and 10 for mogga. never let the facts get in the way of talking total bollox eh?

I'm never going to bother replying to your comments again anyway cos to but it bluntly - you're an idiot. in fact, words cant really describe how much of an idiot you are and the same goes for anyone else who is so vehemently against McClaren.

You ask any fan of any club who hasnt got an axe to grind against McClaren, which you obviously have (did he cut you up on the A19 or something), and ask whether the would want:

a - a manager in his first season in scotland who admittedly has had a great year and with some coaching experience at a first division club;

or

b - a manager with plenty of years coaching in the PL as well as at a club who won the treble. who then went on to turn a relegation threatened team with an aging squad on pots of money to a team who have won their first ever trophy, got them to the last 16 or the UEFA cup, and has them on the brink of qualifying for europe and has brought through a number of top class youngsters.

Oh, and despite ludicrous claims of boring negative football only the top 4 sides have socred more goals than them.


see what answer they give you....

gravy_boat Posted on 4/5 9:10
re: MOWBRAY OR SMAC

Actually, its only the top three. And before the weekend, it was only the top two.

Mclaren, by the way.

Piquet2 Posted on 4/5 9:10
re: MOWBRAY OR SMAC

Actually fhw, the count would probably have been higher in SMacs favour, but everyone knows what Maverick is about, so ignore him.

captain5 Posted on 4/5 9:18
re: MOWBRAY OR SMAC

Done a quick count. Of those who actually expressed an opinion rather than just slagged off someone elses's, I make the score as 10 in favour of Mowbray and 24 for McClaren.

Hope Boro_Maverick is still working for The Electoral Commission.

Nice edit, I had missed one off the Mowbray camp.

--- Post edited by captain5 on 4/5 9:19 ---

Fatsuma Posted on 4/5 9:35
re: MOWBRAY OR SMAC

I agree with Zaphod about our fans perceptions!

However, whilst it has been dull at times under McClaren there have also been highlights that I have never known before as a Boro fan.

As for the slow grind, when you look at the whole history of the club, the progress in the last four years has been marked and significant.

I just hope that we can have two solid performances between now and the end of the season to get the reward that our players and fans deserve after a very difficult season.

Fatsuma Posted on 4/5 9:35
re: MOWBRAY OR SMAC

Woah!!! Easy there tiger!

This double post was just an opportunity to say Steve McClaren.

I love Mogga, and would be more than happy for him to come back here.

But I want Boro to continue to grow over the next couple of seasons so that we can entice someone like Big Phil Scolari or Guus Hiddink.

Coaches who have proven track records in a number of countries, not young coaches with a record of success on a smaller scale in one country.



--- Post edited by Fatsuma on 4/5 9:42 ---

ccole Posted on 4/5 9:50
re: MOWBRAY OR SMAC

Due to the fact that Mowbray is one of my all time favourite Boro players, I don’t think I would like to see him come back to Middlesbrough as manager.

I can imagine him leading us to the FA Cup, Uefa cup last 8 and finishing 5th in the same season.

To think that someone will then start to ask if they would then prefer another manager while he is still in charge would embarrass me as a Boro fan.

I hope his career takes him to a club which the supporters appreciate what he achieves, rather than compare him to some bloke who has won nothing and only been doing a job in a two team league for 8 months.

sandancer Posted on 4/5 10:56
re: MOWBRAY OR SMAC

Anyone who has tactical nous will do for me. McLaren is so ffing negative and clueless its untrue. He has no idea what his best team or formation is. When he dropped Downing last week when he would of been up against the inexperienced Peter Ramage it was the latest in the long line of cockups this year. The most famous being dropping Viduka and Hasselbaink to the bench (when they win 75% of games playing together) in favour of Nemeth on the right and Job upfront against Villareal (they were tired like crap). Amazing.

PS = Mowbray will be Celtics next manager anyway.

--- Post edited by sandancer on 4/5 10:57 ---

skiprat Posted on 4/5 11:48
re: MOWBRAY OR SMAC

Downing has been absolutely garbage for months, so leaving him out has been right, I'm sure he'd have been dropped earlier in the season, but we didn't have the option because of the injuries.

I'm with McClaren by the way, I didn't specifically mention it earlier.

ccole Posted on 4/5 12:01
re: MOWBRAY OR SMAC

Typical statement by someone who knows feck all. You can picture this tvvat nodding in agreement while listening to the emptyheads on the legends.

Sandancer says… “Anyone who has tactical nous will do for me. McLaren is so ffing negative and clueless its untrue. He has no idea what his best team or formation is. The most famous being dropping Viduka and Hasselbaink to the bench (when they win 75% of games playing together) in favour of Nemeth on the right and Job upfront against Villareal”


Is that a contradiction when you take into account that we won the group? Was it not a TACTIC to rest these two players when McClaren was confident we would win our final game v Belgrade?

Resting those players to get more premiership games/points out of them proved right. Without the early wins lads, we would not be joint 7th now after our dip in form.

scoea Posted on 4/5 12:17
re: MOWBRAY OR SMAC

This thread just showes how dimwitted some of our fans really are. Laughable arguments against McClaren when the facts really do speak for themselves.

I bet these are the same thickos that ring the 3 legends.

Fans of other teams will laugh at the likes of Boro Maverick for this.

Sadly, these fools are the most vocal section of fans and it therefore seems that they are representative of the entire Boro support base.

They are not. I am both embarrassed and ashamed to be associated with them. Poisonous cretins.

Derby_Red Posted on 4/5 12:24
re: MOWBRAY OR SMAC

Aww he's just on a wind-up scoea, all of his posts are trying too hard to be "outrageous" - there's never a decent basis of discussion, just pops at what the poster considers to be the establishment view. Like a disgruntled puppy, or the little kid who hates everything and everything is "so unfair".

So I don't think it's a serious proposition anyway, just an attempt to pit total idiots who agree with his punt against anyone with an ounce of grey matter.

Either way it makes the idiots look even more stupid but does nothing for the standpoint of "Maverick" himself who will just continue to throw brickbats about to get a bite. As Bandy says, very much in the same vein but without the wit.

towz Posted on 4/5 12:26
re: MOWBRAY OR SMAC

Would have to say Maclaren, even though i have my reservations about him. Maybe one day when Mogga has proved himself in England he'll get a crack at managing the Boro but we're a big team now with a big budget. At least Maclaren has some experience of this.

boro_Maverick Posted on 4/5 12:35
re: MOWBRAY OR SMAC

Scoea, derby red and the others, you're the ones on a wind up, I have added very little to this thread, I simply posed a question.

Your arrogant response show a few things, firstly you're nob munchers, and secondly that you cannot appreciate that anybody can have an opinion that does not match yours, do you all sit around in the church of fmttm and write the guidlines?

Stop making a big deal out of very little, you sexually frustrated pen pushers.

Have a nice day now!

red_rebel Posted on 4/5 12:41
re: MOWBRAY OR SMAC

McClaren. This is ridiculous.

To change things now would be a stupid self-inflicted wound of incredible proportions. To even suggest it suggests a lack of familiarity with the history of this club. This is a golden age.

Talk about not seeing the wood for the trees. The current set-up (and Gibbo/Mac are a team) have DELIVERED in a way that no other manager no matter how passionate, shrewd or local ever has.

The three Wembleys, the new stadium, the youth academy, the top flight stability, the spending power, the raised profile are all part of a steady upward progress engineered by Gibbo.

Under Mac that progress has continued and gathered pace. In the past two years it has started to bear fruit. Boro have the best squad they have ever had, have won their first ever trophy (two if you count the kids cup), made a respectable debut forray into Europe and are bang on course to set new marks for highest ever Premiership position and points total and possibly qualigy for the UEFA Cup again through the league despite an injury crisis .

Plus it seems that the club are already working to strengthen next season ready to take another step forward.

And you would jeopardise that with a disruptive change of management, style and personnel at the highest point in the club's history? Are you mental?

brushy_68 Posted on 4/5 12:43
re: MOWBRAY OR SMAC

maverick (and any other anti maclaren folk )

a little sub poll

what final position in the league would you be happy with and therefore content with the continuance of maclarens contract ?

captain5 Posted on 4/5 12:44
re: MOWBRAY OR SMAC

Am awaiting Mav's current score update with interest.

I would imagine he's waiting to borrow the calculator that Freedom Bear uses to gauge the success of his predictions.

boro_Maverick Posted on 4/5 12:44
re: MOWBRAY OR SMAC

Red you're entitled to your opinion and smac gets your vote, that's fine, you're not entitled to say that I or anybody else should not even pose such a question.

That's the point of a messageboard, a few of you number 1 fan pretenders need to understand that your way isn't the only way.

boro_Maverick Posted on 4/5 12:47
re: MOWBRAY OR SMAC

Brushy, I think anything outside of the top 6 with this squad is failure, however due to the extra uefa place I would accept 7th.

The only reason for keeping smac is that he has another year on his contract, he is boring us to death, and I predict that next season we will have less than 20k season ticket holders if smac is in charge.

If anybody wants to have a private wager I am willing to do so.

Derby_Red Posted on 4/5 12:49
re: MOWBRAY OR SMAC

You've been sussed, mate.

boro_Maverick Posted on 4/5 12:51
re: MOWBRAY OR SMAC

Sussed?

brushy_68 Posted on 4/5 12:51
re: MOWBRAY OR SMAC

interesting !
so you appear to be of the view, help me if im wrong, that finishing seventh represents success. id be reassured of your sanity if you did think that, because statistically it indeed will have been our most succesful season , ever, and yet you would still want to sack maclaren.?

have a think for a few minutes before answering, never rush into an exam question.........................

Ford_Prefect Posted on 4/5 12:52
re: MOWBRAY OR SMAC

Id love Mogga to come home, but look at it, he was coach at Ipswich and is now in his first season as manager at the same level as northern league at best. Give him a bit longer, a step up some place and then lets see. Willie Madren was a fantastic player and laid the ground work for Bruce and Colin, but he wasn’t experienced enough to manage at the time. Lets hope Mogga develops, lets give him a few more years and bigger jobs first.Then let him take over a club thats well run and moving forward thanks to Gibbo, Robbo and SMac You hear people say they would walk to a town to play for them or manage them. In Moggas case I think he really would walk to Teesside to take over the Boro.

scoea Posted on 4/5 12:54
re: MOWBRAY OR SMAC

Mr Maverick - you assume this lofty position and claim that you are not responsible for the path upon which this thread has travelled. You defend your right to an opinion, which is fine, but choose to back it up with falsehoods.

Would you care to elaborate on your assertion that McClaren should be sacked? In particular, would you kindly confirm what you see as the benefits of a change of manager?

Would you also explain why anyone that does not agree that McClaren should be sacked is automatically part of the "smac is god squad" or is "sticking to the party line when forming their views"?

boro_Maverick Posted on 4/5 12:59
re: MOWBRAY OR SMAC

No Brushy, not success, still under performing but not complete failure.
You can't compare our current poistion to past years, smac has come into a great job at a great time.

Scoea I don't have time to list all the reason I think smac is failing, as I have done so many times before.
I don't have a problem with the fact that you or anybody else likes the guy, my problem comes when you question others rights to a view, are you a dictator? a communist perhaps?

Yarm_Legend Posted on 4/5 13:01
re: MOWBRAY OR SMAC

SMac had never managed a side before Boro.

Mogga would be more experienced than Mac was in his first year.

If we do not make Europe then Mac must go. If he couldn't make Europe with that squad then he never will. We should be talking about Champions League next season now not will we qualify for UEFA.

Add to that the boring drivel we've watched this year and the previous 3. I know a lot of people who are seriously considering not renewing next season and I have to say so am I. If it wasn't for the enjoyment of the day, before and after, the game on the beers I probably wouldn't renew.

Mogga stirs up excitement with myself. His love for the club, his relative success already enjoyed (Ipswich and Hibs). Get him in.

--- Post edited by Yarm_Legend on 4/5 13:03 ---

Derby_Red Posted on 4/5 13:03
re: MOWBRAY OR SMAC

!

scoea Posted on 4/5 13:04
re: MOWBRAY OR SMAC

Boro Maverick - you misundertand. I do not question your right to an opinion. I question your motives and the foundation upon which you opinion is based.

Yarm Legend - you keep raising what you expect of McClaren and he keeps achieving it. Prior to the Cup win you demanded trophy success and used a lack of it as evidence to boot out McClaren. He won the Cup.

You now say that only a top 7 finish should allow him to keep his job. If he manages it, what next year? A tilt at the title perhaps?

red_rebel Posted on 4/5 13:04
re: MOWBRAY OR SMAC

Lord Maverick, I do not question you have a right to suggest it.

But I do question the logic and motives of exercising that right at this particular moment.

BossHogg Posted on 4/5 13:06
re: MOWBRAY OR SMAC

"biggest arse on this board"

"it makes me ashamed to be a boro that we have fans supporting us that seem to know absolutely nothing about the game."

"Boro must have the largest clueless following in the land"

"This thread just showes how dimwitted some of our fans really are."

"Typical statement by someone who knows feck all. You can picture this tvvat nodding in agreement"

----------------------------------------------------------------

Some people seem to have a very high opinions of themselves don't they !!.

Isn't this message board supposed to be about opinions ?, or is it just about people who can childishly abuse someone else with a different opinion ??

--- Post edited by BossHogg on 4/5 13:06 ---

rob_fmttm Posted on 4/5 13:06
re: MOWBRAY OR SMAC

Postpone all this debating till after the Spurs game. Now is the time to unite and be positive. We need the 3 points this weekend - that surely has to be the absolute priority of the week. Win on Saturday and it could be one of the great Riverside finales. Let's get behind the cause.

scoea Posted on 4/5 13:07
re: MOWBRAY OR SMAC

BossHogg - as above.

Yarm_Legend Posted on 4/5 13:09
re: MOWBRAY OR SMAC

"Yarm Legend - you keep raising what you expect of McClaren and he keeps achieving it. Prior to the Cup win you demanded trophy success and used a lack of it as evidence to boot out McClaren. He won the Cup."

I only started posting after the cup win. Prior to that I was a lurker. Therefore, that is nonsense.

dooderooni Posted on 4/5 13:09
re: MOWBRAY OR SMAC

Just how can we be under-performing seeing as we've never performed better than now at any point in the past?

Maybe "failing to meet the lofty expectations of the fans" would be a better moniker for McClarens crimes?

At the start of the season, lloking at who we'd bought and on the back of a successful Youth Cup campaign I was full of hope for the season and thought that 4th was possible.

Taking into account how many of those players that I was basing those expectations have been unavailable then I'd say that our current position is about right.

McClaren has made some errors of judgement this season but he's hardly alone in that respect is he?

Surely Fergie and Wenger are more guilty of under-acheivement than McClaren?

mowbrays_number_4 Posted on 4/5 13:11
re: MOWBRAY OR SMAC

i'll wager a £100 bet with you maverick that boro sell more than 20,000 season tickets next season,despite where we end up in the league.

if i win the bet i will give your £100 to teesside hospice.

are we on?

fatharrywhite Posted on 4/5 13:12
re: MOWBRAY OR SMAC

if you think this season has been 'boring drivel' then you truly are an idiot. it beggars belief that you would think this. basically, you dont like the guy for whatever reason cos it certainly isnt anything to do with he accomplishments on the pitch.

Bottomline is it's personal, it strikes me that you are desperate for him to fail so you can give it the 'i told you so' message. it must be killing you that he is continuing to be successful so you have to come up with other pathetic ways to slag him off

There have been at the most 3 games this season that i havent enjoyed, even games that we havent won (the 1-1 against charlton) have been very good to watch and certainly not boring.

it's hard not to go off on one completely and really tear into you, which would be fully merited, but i wont stoop to that level.

Instead, i'm going to go an make myself a nice cup of tea and get on with my work and calm down a bit.

brushy_68 Posted on 4/5 13:14
re: MOWBRAY OR SMAC

amasing mav
i did say have a think....

you say 7th would not be success , what about 6th, 5th or will you not be happy until its champions, and then you will let him keep his job !

for your information, perhaps you dont realise, finishing 7th will be qualification for europe. in actual fact that is success ie to qualify for something . "qualify " ...fit for purpose,make competant,satisfy conditions. to me it would sound like mac had done the job. and yet you still wanna sack him !

astonishing

Yarm_Legend Posted on 4/5 13:18
re: MOWBRAY OR SMAC

On the other hand I could say that I've enjoyed 3 games.

If you enjoy that you are an enemy of the beautiful game. You probably tell me you really enjoyed the way Liverpool played last night.

Please tell me what exactly has been so exciting this season.

One of my mates I go with isn't really a Boro fan but has a season ticket as he enjoys watching football. He told me last night he probably won't renew because he hates watching Mac's style of play. So do I.

boro_Maverick Posted on 4/5 13:18
re: MOWBRAY OR SMAC

It's not a fact its your opinion.

red_rebel Posted on 4/5 13:22
re: MOWBRAY OR SMAC

Success in any form will make no difference to those confimed anti-Macs who would spout their bile no matter what.

They have decided long ago they do not want him her no matter what and are not open to persuasion. That is why they have to look for negative spin for every bit of progress.

When Boro won their first ever trophy - when Mac led Boro to their FIRST EVER trophy - they were all there spouting shiite: "It was only Bolton", "only won it because Arsenal put there reserves out", "its only papering over the cracks," "its a Micky Mouse Cup, only qualifying through the league is good enough."

If HE leds them to qualification through the league it will be; "worst Premiership ever", "bored his way to seventh", "only made it because Spurs blew up", "yes, but he gave away the prestigious Carling Cup".

Scrote Posted on 4/5 13:24
re: MOWBRAY OR SMAC

"I think anything outside of the top 6 with this squad is failure"

i agree absolutely - lets sack smac for only keeping us top six for 90% of the season with a depleted squad - this last minute crisis brought on by a season of insane injury problems is all his fault

mav - if you were an everton fan would you call for moyes's head for not getting 3rd if liverpool win the champs league and are granted the 4th spot by the fa?

what we have achieved so far this season is "magnificent" - if you can't see that then you are blind and your opinion is worthless because it is not grounded in reality

the funniest thing is that smac has defied all his critics and made us a successful team by anyone elses standards but the critics just keep upping their expectations every time smac raises the bar - it is not even tedious any more it is just pathetic

Y_L - if you don't renew your season ticket which matches will you pick and choose?

will it be the ones where we might get a hatful of goals e.g. west brom or will it be the ones where the opposition might e.g arsenal?

will you come to watch chelsea or manU knowing we will most likely set our stall out to stifle their creativity or will you come to watch norwich and crystal palace knowing that they will try to stifle ours??

in fact - will you come at all???

PapaJohn Posted on 4/5 13:25
re: MOWBRAY OR SMAC

Success = qualify for Europe in a legitt way.
Failure = not qualifying for Europe.

In UEFA next season = SMAC stays.
Not in SMAC should go because his 4 seasons in charge would have come to nothing in terms of points, wins and improvement.

Boro are easily a top 6 team in this poor league and season on season SMAC has failed to reach it.

End of story.

scoea Posted on 4/5 13:27
re: MOWBRAY OR SMAC

PapaJohn - how would you qualify for Europe in an illegitimate way?

As for the rest of your post - pathetic, truly pathetic.

fatharrywhite Posted on 4/5 13:29
re: MOWBRAY OR SMAC

if it meant getting to the champions league final then yes, i'd probably enjoy last nights performance. no doubt in a similar position you'd want an all out gung ho performance and god forbid if we didnt score 3 goals and play them off the park you'd be on here berating all and sundry

you're never going to be happy, ever.. Free flowing winning football DOESNT happen unless you're the chelseas, arsenals or the man uniteds of this world. even at the beginning of the season chelsea were turning out 1-0 turgid wins.

I enjoy winning football and Mac is doing a pretty good job of that dont you think.

I've come out of 2 games this season bored and p*ssed off. that was Fulham and Southampton. Of the others i cant think of many off the top of my head that werent particularly good.

I've been a season ticket holder since 1988 and have been going since 1982 and this has been the best season ever in terms of position and performance and nothing that you, boro_maverick or anyone else says will change my mind simply because your arguments dont hold any water in the slightest.

red_rebel Posted on 4/5 13:36
re: MOWBRAY OR SMAC

Two more points = highest ever Premiership total

Three more points = highest ever Premiership place

Four more points = UEFA through the league.

If any of those are achieved - ie things that have NEVER been achieved before - will the critics then concede that Mac has done a good job?

Or will they spend more time looking for ways to devalue it than they will celebrating?

brushy_68 Posted on 4/5 13:38
re: MOWBRAY OR SMAC

enjoyable post scrote! someone mentioned a cup of tea to calm down and get back to work, and i think ill follow suit, as some of the anti smac , in fact all, make comments that they simply cant back up with stats/facts that would make sense of their arguments.

one last go- mav- in one sentence please state how high in the league you think we should finish to earn smac an extension to his contract, and then justify why qualifying for europe represents failure to justify dismissal.

oh and if he stays will you be renewing your season ticket

scoea Posted on 4/5 13:40
re: MOWBRAY OR SMAC

They will simply raise their expectations, demand more from McClaren and slate him if he doesn't achieve it.

What they actually should look at it who has caused their expectations to rise so high. they are so clouded by their dislike of the man that they cannot see the reality of it.

They are now DEMANDING a top 6 finish from him despite it having not been achieved in living memory at this club. Why?

It is because McClaren has raised the bar, year on year.

borobadge Posted on 4/5 14:21
re: T.M. OR S.Mc

super mac for me...

he and his team are doing the business, and were very forunate and lucky to have him....

Sir Gibson chose v.wisely indeed.

PapaJohn Posted on 4/5 14:36
re: MOWBRAY OR SMAC

at the start of the season a poll was taken on here regarding our expectations.
My line has always been top6 qualify for europe.
At the time of writing this has not bin reached even though top 7 is in europe.

my line has not changed.

Gillandi Posted on 4/5 14:39
re: MOWBRAY OR SMAC

Time to re=cap the poll as we near the 150 post mark.


Firstly it seems the anti-McClaren lobby don't recognise sarcasm and irony when they see it and have managed to double the number of votes cast for Tony Mowbray. Perhaps confirming the suspicion that they are not the brightest visitors to this forum.

Mowbrays support here is actually outnumbered by 5 to 1 by those backing McClaren.

Some interesting views have been made about the author of the poll boro_Maverick that people may want to consider next time he sets us another controversial question...

"What does boro_Maverick know about football...Zip, Nichts,Nada."

"Biggest arse on this board."

"Slate missing."

"Halfwit."

"Sucker."

"Idiot."


Thanks to boro_Maverick for his most interesting poll.

boro_Maverick Posted on 4/5 16:33
re: MOWBRAY OR SMAC

Yes Gillandi...and what a shock, nobody responds for several hours after another interest effort from you...Gillando gummage..zzzzzzz

skiprat Posted on 4/5 16:36
re: MOWBRAY OR SMAC

How do you feel about the results of your poll mate?

captain5 Posted on 4/5 16:39
re: MOWBRAY OR SMAC

The 10 or so people who agreed with him fully vindicate his stance, skiprat.

Gillandi Posted on 4/5 16:46
re: MOWBRAY OR SMAC

I think it was nearer 6 who agreed Capt but counting is not easy for a carrott nosed old straw head like me.

uncle_harry Posted on 4/5 17:47
re: MOWBRAY OR SMAC

you need to put yer rithmatic head on then wurzel -smiley heady winky blinky thing

--- Post edited by uncle_harry on 4/5 17:49 ---

boro_Maverick Posted on 4/5 19:07
re: MOWBRAY OR SMAC

You're missing the point, it was a poll to find how people feel, now to force my opinion on others, I leave that to you meet up groupies and the likes of gillandi who clearly keeps records of everything that is said on this site.

tweedle Posted on 4/5 20:35
re: MOWBRAY OR SMAC

Opinions opinions opinions. Great aren't they?

But why does one poster adopt his supercilious, pompous condescending tone to make a trivial point and then declare everyone who doesn't share his view "thick". Well why do you??

Haven't you got some legal aid forms to fill in for some tripping claims or don't failed barristers stoop that low?

BoroMod Posted on 4/5 23:43
re: MOWBRAY OR SMAC

This probably the most ridiculous thread i've ever read and there has been quite a few to choose from.

Well done Maverick.

tweedle Posted on 4/5 23:54
re: MOWBRAY OR SMAC

Tish Boromod. You mean you're not being serious.

scoea Posted on 5/5 0:29
re: MOWBRAY OR SMAC

tweedle - to whom do you refer?

BoroMod Posted on 5/5 9:40
re: MOWBRAY OR SMAC

Afraid so mate.

I just don't see how people hate McLaren so much. I can understand people not liking his management style but its been proven to get results.

Tony Mowbray is a brilliant guy and as i told you on the way to Newcastle he was my boyhood hero but he's not ready for Boro yet.

PapaJohn Posted on 5/5 12:04
re: MOWBRAY OR SMAC

Getting results eh!!

We won 13 prem games this season so far!
or are you talking about the wage bill reduction?

BoroMod Posted on 5/5 12:09
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Shut up PapaJohn, your predictable shoite is becoming very monotonous.
We are in with a shout of getting back in the Uefa Cup through the league after playing half the season with our best players injured. I'm not sure what else you want but you're getting f'kin annoying.

Why the personal vendetta against McLaren?

zaphod Posted on 5/5 12:16
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By my reckoning, we need only 2 goals from the next 2 games to have a higher average of goals scored per game by Boro than in any top flight season since 1949/50. If only Steve Mac hadn't been so negative, eh?

(We got 57 from 42 in about 1980 or so).

boro_Maverick Posted on 5/5 12:25
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I have yet to see any forum were so few people can believe that others do not agree with the site clique.

U all of u can have your opinion, i wasn't in anyway abusive i just asked a simple question, but the simple people would prefer no questions be asked of the force of fmttm clique.

Get over yourselves u nobheads.

Your opinions are only that they do not become facts because a few of u agree.
Thank u to the people who picked some1 and gave a reason.

boro_Maverick Posted on 5/5 12:25
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I have yet to see any forum were so few people can believe that others do not agree with the site clique.

U all of u can have your opinion, i wasn't in anyway abusive i just asked a simple question, but the simple people would prefer no questions be asked of the force of fmttm clique.

Get over yourselves u nobheads.

Your opinions are only that they do not become facts because a few of u agree.
Thank u to the people who picked some1 and gave a reason.

Derby_Red Posted on 5/5 12:30
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Now be honest - you're on a thinly disguised wind-up that no-one in their right mind takes seriously and you're at it again with the Thatcher thread.

zaphod Posted on 5/5 12:46
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The problem, Boro Maverick, is that you put forward a ludicrous opinion without any sensible arguments to back it up.

Of course you have a right to hold an opinion, however stupid and unfounded it is, but if you publish a nonsensical opinion on a notice board, other people have the right to point out that it's a ridiculous opinion and draw the conclusion that only someone of limited intellectual capabilities as well as Neanderthal Man's in-depth understanding of football could possibly hold such an opinion.

And that is what has happened and you only have yourself to blame.

sasboro Posted on 5/5 12:48
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Boro maverick, dont worry too much as we all know this website is not a true reflection on boro fans.

Piquet2 Posted on 5/5 13:26
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Which one is SAS?

red_rebel Posted on 5/5 13:48
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"the clique" = everyone who disagrees with me

hodgiemfc Posted on 5/5 14:03
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So....if everyone had agreed with BM would that mean he was part of the clique.....and if he was would he then change to become a Mac supporter because he doesn't want to be part of a clique. Oh its all so complicated.....

....and by the way SMAC for me.

MyBoro Posted on 5/5 14:04
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halfwit - dimwitted - Idiotic - most stupid - clueless - know fook all - you idiot - ridiculous - sad - ashamed - daft - total bollox - you're an idiot - ludicrous -thickos - embarrassed and ashamed - Poisonous cretins - nob munchers - sexually frustrated pen pushers - Are you mental - biggest arse on this board - you truly are an idiot - spouting shiite - pathetic, truly pathetic - not the brightest - Slate missing - carrott nosed old straw head - Shut up - nobheads

grantus Posted on 5/5 14:20
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Mowbray deserves full credit for his award this season, not the slating he's recieved on this thread.

It does look as though it is too soon for him to take over here though, not enough time at the right level as already stated. You have to admiy that its been so far so good in respect to his managerial education.

At least we are talking about him in the context of Boro manager, we may not have a Boro legend developing into possibly a top flight manager.

Mac has got away with this season on the old "too many injuries" chestnut. Lets not forget that season defining master stroke of not bringing anyone in in January when we were in dire need. A Geremi or someone of that level would have made all the difference and we would already have qualified for Europe and possibly still be in the race for 4th.

No European football next season would be a failure on Mac's behalf, but i personally will continue to support him through next season if needs be.

A similar season to this one, assuming we do not make 7th and i may be calling for Mowbray in and Mac out this time next year. Too many injuries will not wash next season.

Its going to be interesting to see how Hibs get on in the UEFA Cup next season regardless.

fatharrywhite Posted on 5/5 14:29
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where has mogga been slated? most are just saying that you simply cant compare his and McClaren's records cos there is no competition.

Think most people on this thread would one day love mogga to be our manager, just not next season, and if he keeps up his record with Hibs i have no doubt he will be one day.

PapaJohn Posted on 5/5 14:37
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I'll compare this season league form 4 you.

SMAC 36 games, won 13, 51 points, average 1.41 points per game.
MOGGA 35 games, won 18, 60 points, average 1.71 points per game.

Exactly no comparison.

If you think SPL has 2 untouchable teams and our prem has 3 but in SPL they play the 2 teams 4 times I think its a reasonable comparison.

grantus Posted on 5/5 14:41
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ok, slating may be slightly over the top. I dont think he's been given enough recognition for his achievements though. He did a very good job as coach at Ipswich and has done a wonderful job at Hibs. Id say that his performance/achievement this season equates to something similar to Moyes'. I do realise the difference in standards between the leagues.

It seems as though his success is "moderate" and not really worthy of respect from some. I disagree, how much success does he need to be considered worthy? A title and a UEFA Cup? That was good enough to land Ferguson the Man Utd. job. Also in order to do this in this day and age is an impossibilty for a club outside of Glasgow in Scotland due to the economic distribution of wealth within the game.

Thats the reason why it will be interesting to see them go in Eurpoe next season.

Mowbray has not put a foot wrong yet, I for one support him. Assitant Manager sounds a good call if he'd be willing to.

Next poll.....

MOWBRAY OR BESWICK?

fatharrywhite Posted on 5/5 14:44
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like is said papajohn

last 16 of UEFA cup, on verge of highest points total/highest position in PL ever and qualifying for europe once more.

No comparison