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flash_harry_boro Posted on 17/8 16:35
Gays adopting children

Apparently its gonna be easier for gay couples to get sperm donors and adopt children etc. I feel sorry for the children. Its obvious that they'll grow up to be strange. Surely the government need to rethink this one.

bandito Posted on 17/8 16:37
re: Gays adopting children

totally WRONG!

Saw a programme a few yrs back called "the gay dads" believe it or not.

Where's mummy, oh he's at the hairdressers today and then he's getting his nails done

Fischer Posted on 17/8 16:38
re: Gays adopting children

All the raving mad, anti-social, criminally-inclined, violent, alcoholic, drug-addicted nutters I've ever met in my life have been exclusively heterosexual. All the gay people I've ever met have all seemed pretty together and responsible. Maybe I just move in the right circles.

flash_harry_boro Posted on 17/8 16:39
re: Gays adopting children

Children shouldnt have to grow up in a strange environment such as with gay parents though. They'll grow up warped. Its plain wrong.

tarquin_foxglove Posted on 17/8 16:40
re: Gays adopting children

Surely it is in the childrens interest to be adopted by a loving couple than to remain in local authority care?

The_Commisar Posted on 17/8 16:40
re: Gays adopting children

Point well made by Fischer.
I couldn't give a stuff about their sexuality.
I have met some mothers who were hetrosexual, but absolute nutters, greedy, grasping, anti social and in love with only Next and their credit card.

To change subject tottaly I wonder how my ex wife is doing ?

Fischer Posted on 17/8 16:40
re: Gays adopting children

There are millions of children growing up warped because their straight parents are completely f***ed up. Don't see that sexuality has anything to do with it.

Nedkat Posted on 17/8 16:41
re: Gays adopting children

Have to agree with the Fischer on this. Every gay person I've ever met, has been a pretty decent human being. Far more of the hetero people seem to have far more serious issues.

bandito Posted on 17/8 16:42
re: Gays adopting children

agreed Fisch but the poor kids will be humiliated at school. Its the way of the world thesedays.

blotonthelandscape Posted on 17/8 16:42
re: Gays adopting children

This going to upset me big league, but I will have to say it, I fully agree with Fisher.

flash_harry_boro Posted on 17/8 16:43
re: Gays adopting children

It has a lot to do with it. A child being brought up by gay parents is gonna have a strange upbringing just as if their parents were in jail or druggies. Gays shouldnt be allowed children. Its the choice they made at the end of the day and they shouldnt be selfish enough to put an innocent child through the trauma of being brought up in that environment. The child will not know any morals whatsoever.

Borojersey Posted on 17/8 16:44
re: Gays adopting children

Plenty of heterosexual people are screwed up, plenty of homosexual people are screwed up. I guess it's down to luck whether you are born into a stable, loving, supportive family.

But to say that all children raised by gay parents will grow up to be strange is just wrong - how do you know that?

bandito Posted on 17/8 16:44
re: Gays adopting children

agreed harry!

Eddie_Catflap Posted on 17/8 16:45
re: Gays adopting children

Its the choice they made at the end of the day

You've never met a gay person have you?

blotonthelandscape Posted on 17/8 16:45
re: Gays adopting children

Should parents who smoke be allowed, or alcholics, or Cocknees?

the_thread_needler Posted on 17/8 16:45
re: Gays adopting children

it could be worse, their parents could be Spurs supporters

Fischer Posted on 17/8 16:46
re: Gays adopting children

I don't see why sexuality has anything to do with morality. Being gay isn't immoral or illegal, and I can't for the life of me see why being brought up by a gay couple should be traumatic.

Borojersey Posted on 17/8 16:46
re: Gays adopting children

WTF have morals got to do with it?? Because my father had (has? Jesus, perish the thought) with a woman has had no bearings on my morals whatsoever!

Nedkat Posted on 17/8 16:47
re: Gays adopting children

Yes, imagine having that passed onto you .. !!!

(better define that) .. Spurs supporter ...

This thread is moving fast !

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tarquin_foxglove Posted on 17/8 16:48
re: Gays adopting children

Absolutely. Some friends are fostering at the moment as their kids have grown up and the hoops they had to jump through and prove they were normal were amazing.

The adoption process is apparently much tougher.

I would imagine that if the rules are being relaxed for gay people to adopt, it could only be to bring it in line with the rules for straight couples.

Everyone should have to prove they were a suitable person to be a parent before being able to reproduce.

the_thread_needler Posted on 17/8 16:49
re: Gays adopting children

harry is a wind up surely? Hopefully not a paternal one either. How fukced would his kids be?

Paulinho Posted on 17/8 16:49
re: Gays adopting children

I feel like I've just stepped on to the set of 'Til death do us part'.

Do people really still have this view about gay couples? I thought they'd gone the way of the dodo.

Kids who ridicule kids with gay parents will find themselves flipping burgers and swamped in sovereign rings by the time they're in their late teens.

flash_harry_boro Posted on 17/8 16:50
re: Gays adopting children

Of course its immoral to be homosexual!! Children should at least be given the opportunity to be brought up in a normal environment. They wont get that normality having gay parents. Like i said its just plain wrong.

Borojersey Posted on 17/8 16:50
re: Gays adopting children

Thanks Nedkat - thought you having a pop at my Dad!

Borojersey Posted on 17/8 16:51
re: Gays adopting children

Thanks Nedkat - thought you were having a pop at my Dad!

How did that happen?

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tees_tug Posted on 17/8 16:51
re: Gays adopting children

There are plenty of alchoholic gays and drug addict gays. The idea that all gays are like the ones in the Little Theatre bar is a fallacy. Gays are no more likely to be perfect parents than the rest of us.

And some of the Boro's lesbos are big fat violant chav's.










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flash_harry_boro Posted on 17/8 16:53
re: Gays adopting children

Spot on.

finny Posted on 17/8 16:54
re: Gays adopting children

Flash harry has to be winding up.
Agree with Fisher and Paulie - sexuality should have no bearing on 'suitability'.

Fischer Posted on 17/8 16:54
re: Gays adopting children

I agree, but they're no more unlikely to be perfect parents either. I just don't get all these hang-ups about sexuality, it seems really odd. What's so bad about fancying someone the same gender as you?

Nedkat Posted on 17/8 16:54
re: Gays adopting children

Sorry BoroJersey .. made me chuckle that did ...

Tugs, right. I would say gay or straight, you still have to prove your competence as a person and a parent - before you deserve to adopt or foster.

flash_harry_boro Posted on 17/8 16:54
re: Gays adopting children

Its wrong. Kids deserve the opportunity to be brought up by normal heterosexual parents. They deserve that.

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Fischer Posted on 17/8 16:55
re: Gays adopting children

Why's it wrong?

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gravy_boat Posted on 17/8 16:56
re: Gays adopting children

Homosexuality isn't immoral in my opinion.

If you had a child that was gay, what would you do? Through them out into the street?

The only reason that a child being brought up by a gay couple is an issue is probably because they are likely to get targeted and possibly bullied by other kids. And the only reason that happens is because of people like you.

flash_harry_boro Posted on 17/8 16:56
re: Gays adopting children

Why what?

Fischer Posted on 17/8 16:56
re: Gays adopting children

Why's it wrong?

the_thread_needler Posted on 17/8 16:56
re: Gays adopting children

spot on? You must have synapses as strong as gossamer.
If tees_tug is spot on you've just nullified your initial premise.

Would I be right in thinking that when you type 'normal' you could be typing 'like mine/me'

The_River Posted on 17/8 16:59
re: Gays adopting children

well said gravy_boat

flash_harry_boro Posted on 17/8 17:03
re: Gays adopting children

I agree completely gravy boat. Thats the point i'm trying to get across. Rightly or wrongly these children arent gonna be able to lead a normal life. Thats why i said its selfish on the part of gay couples. A child shouldnt have to have the disadvantages of being brought up that way.

janplanner Posted on 17/8 17:04
re: Gays adopting children

they shouldn't have the disadvantage of being brought up by a bigot. but i think it's allowed.

London_Boro Posted on 17/8 17:04
re: Gays adopting children

I think if you choose that path in life then so be it. Gay couples cannot have children by nature. It is not normal in many people's eyes but it's understandable that they would want to love and care for a child as would any person.

My problem with it is the effect it will have on the childs life. As said above it will have a huge effect on the way the child is treated by other kids etc. Will the gay influence steer that child towards being gay thinking that it is the normal way to go for 2 mums or 2 dads to be together?

I'm not sure what would be best, but I would rather see a child in a loving home than in care or with a violent or abusive family regardless of who's looking after them.

Revol_Tees Posted on 17/8 17:06
re: Gays adopting children

"Will the gay influence steer that child towards being gay"

How do you steer someone towards being gay?

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flash_harry_boro Posted on 17/8 17:06
re: Gays adopting children

yes but how is a child gonna be bullied and teased and hounded by others if theyre being brought up by a bigot. Theyre not. I'm not having a go at gays here just saying how it shouldnt be allowed cos its unfair on the child. Theres a massive chance they wont turn out normal if theyre brought up by gay parents.

janplanner Posted on 17/8 17:08
re: Gays adopting children

define 'normal'!

personally, i avoid normal people like the plague.

London_Boro Posted on 17/8 17:09
re: Gays adopting children

I think you get what I mean, smartarse.



Jan - Normal for a sexual relationship I mean. Man & Woman = Children. Man & Man/Woman & Woman = No children.
At the end of the day, that's what a cock and minge are for.

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flash_harry_boro Posted on 17/8 17:11
re: Gays adopting children

Normal parents is a man and a woman. Gay parents is not normal whichever way you look at it and it will only harm the child in the long term. I feel sorry for the kids involved. They shoud have the best possible start in life and this isnt it.

rutters Posted on 17/8 17:11
re: Gays adopting children

LITTLE THEATRE BAR!!!GAY!!! I used to work there.. had no idea...shat!!

gravy_boat Posted on 17/8 17:15
re: Gays adopting children

So whats a better start in life for a child? Having gay parents that love them and care for them in the proper manner, or having hetrosexual parents that include a drunken father and a mother thats never at home?

tees_tug Posted on 17/8 17:20
re: Gays adopting children

Anything is better than putting kids into childrens homes.


They must be the worst place for kids.

Eddie_Catflap Posted on 17/8 17:33
re: Gays adopting children

I'm no expert on these matters but I bet the vast majority of gay people did in fact have both a Mother and a Father. Most of them will have had 'normal' parents. Which would tend to make the steering argument a bit void.

lazenby_smoggie Posted on 17/8 17:39
re: Gays adopting children

WRONG WRONG WRONG

Queer fookers shouldnt be able to adopt.

its just discgusting and wrong

Cheeses_Christ Posted on 17/8 17:41
re: Gays adopting children

"its just discgusting and wrong"


As is your attitude

Eddie_Catflap Posted on 17/8 17:41
re: Gays adopting children

A poor attempt at irony by me there. Lets face it, the whole argument boils down to whether you think being gay is acceptable or not. I don't have a problem with it. Who gives a fook, honestly.

Capybara Posted on 17/8 17:41
re: Gays adopting children

As Fischer said (twice) earlier, why? (lazenby)

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lazenby_smoggie Posted on 17/8 17:42
re: Gays adopting children

whys that.

its just something im against and strongly.

the world is too pc for my liking these days. what happened to freedom of speech

Piquet2 Posted on 17/8 17:42
re: Gays adopting children

"what happened to freedom of speech"...people forgot what it meant.

Capybara Posted on 17/8 17:43
re: Gays adopting children

If you think something is wrong, you must be able to articulate why.

Nedkat Posted on 17/8 17:43
re: Gays adopting children

There is no steering involved. Gay people, male or female, are born into a life of gaeity. It is a well known fact that a gay man's brain is different in it's anatomical and chemical make up, than a straight man's brain. There are those who pretend to be gay, because it seems to have become a fashionable accessory, but these pretenders are usually not homosexuals.

thesonofgod Posted on 17/8 17:43
re: Gays adopting children

1OO% behind you harry (no pun intended)its a disgusting thought letting gays bring up kids ,the poor kids would be ridiculed for the entire school life,has everyone gone mad dont people have any morals anymore.

br14 Posted on 17/8 17:44
re: Gays adopting children

There are a couple of arguments.

Gay adoption and arangeing for kids by proxy.

The thing I find somewhat unpleasant it that someone could arrange to have a baby by providing one half of the genetic seed, without giving a damn about the other part.

I certainly wouldnt want to be the offspring of that arrangement.

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tees_tug Posted on 17/8 17:44
re: Gays adopting children

I forsee an angry gaggle of faggots mincing towards you as I type lazenby.

lazenby_smoggie Posted on 17/8 17:45
re: Gays adopting children

the child will be bullied leaving them a total emotional mess therefore leaving the child hating there parents and suicide and depression is on the cards.

i dont really have a problem with genuine gays who dont want to do it for attention or to stand out or just for arguements sake.

which this is.

Tillerman93 Posted on 17/8 17:47
re: Gays adopting children

Gay people should be allowed to adopt, and marry.

I hate the word 'Gay' and 'homosexual', I dont see why in the year 2005 we have to pigeon hole people. Where someone places his penis or tounge is none of my business, and people should be allowed to get with life no matter what their sexual preference is.

If we scraped away the surface of people, I think we woould be shocked at everybody's secret kinks!

Paulinho Posted on 17/8 17:48
re: Gays adopting children

I don't mind gays... as long as they don't try and ram it down my throat.

At the end of the day, that's what a cock and minge are for. (fantastic!)

Cheeses_Christ Posted on 17/8 17:48
re: Gays adopting children

"the child will be bullied leaving them a total emotional mess therefore leaving the child hating there parents and suicide and depression is on the cards"


Kids get bullied for reasons other than their parents sexuality. If that's your argument then its a very weak one

lazenby_smoggie Posted on 17/8 17:48
re: Gays adopting children

.

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Azedarac Posted on 17/8 17:49
re: Gays adopting children

I have less of a problem with two women bringing up a child than two men, whether they're in a relationship or not. It's nothing to do with sexuality, I just think a child needs a mother figure. A father figure is desirable, but a mother figure is more essential.

It can be done, children lose their mothers through seperation/divorce or death, but it's not a situation to intentionally put a child in.

Eddie_Catflap Posted on 17/8 17:49
re: Gays adopting children

So we should also not allow fat couples to have or adopt kids, because they might get bullied. Or ugly people. Or poor people. Or disabled people.

Piquet2 Posted on 17/8 17:50
re: Gays adopting children

"the poor kids would be ridiculed for the entire school life"....presumably by the likes of you and others on this thread?

lazenby_smoggie Posted on 17/8 17:50
re: Gays adopting children

yes but is for total resentment of there parents.

it will build one hell of a vicious circle which doesnt need to happen.

the tackling of bullies is improving all the time this will put them back about 10 years easilly.

bandito Posted on 17/8 17:50
re: Gays adopting children

Tillerman: Are you batting for the aussies aswell as the english?

tees_tug Posted on 17/8 17:51
re: Gays adopting children

Some users of this board must be gay.


I'm straight.


Anybody else?

Sceptic_Frank Posted on 17/8 17:51
re: Gays adopting children

I actually know a lad who was fostered by a gay couple. He lived with them from the age of 10. They adopted a younger lad too. Most of his problems seemed to stem from his life before he was fostered. Think he got a bit of abuse for it at school but seemed to have a solid group of friends who thought it was no big deal. Turned out fairly stable, if not particularly motivated in life. The couple were not the nicest people in the world and they did exhibit a bit of the stereotypical bitchyness but you could see they really cared for both lads and had their best interests at heart.

lazenby_smoggie Posted on 17/8 17:51
re: Gays adopting children

i was gonna say that aswell bandy but i thought some admin might get on their high horse

bandito Posted on 17/8 17:51
re: Gays adopting children

this thread has mileage, lets get a few gay vicars onboard, come on vicars, brews up, where are you

Cheeses_Christ Posted on 17/8 17:53
re: Gays adopting children

Oh I get it, because we defend it we're gay too?



Very well thought out Lazenby

Tillerman93 Posted on 17/8 17:53
re: Gays adopting children

Look, I have never had a relationship with another man, but thats not to say that in a few years i might...who knows, whatever i do with my dick is my business and the same applies to females. The human brain is open to many things, its just blinkered people who think they have the answers without even knowing the questions.

bandito Posted on 17/8 17:54
re: Gays adopting children

<does impression of a teapot>

Cheeses_Christ Posted on 17/8 17:55
re: Gays adopting children

<does impression of a teapot>


A very tiny bigoted teapot one presumes?

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Eddie_Catflap Posted on 17/8 17:55
re: Gays adopting children

Bandito.

Actually - suggestive

dooderooni Posted on 17/8 17:57
re: Gays adopting children

I have not read the bulk of this thread but being gay has nothing at all to do with being a bad parent.

In fact, why not go so far as to say that black people can't be good parents because that holds about as much water as the anti-gay argument does.

tees_tug Posted on 17/8 17:57
re: Gays adopting children

Since becoming a father, Bandy has an enhanced maleness about him.



Was that a short fat teapot?

Piquet2 Posted on 17/8 17:57
re: Gays adopting children

I'm a little tea pot short and stout, could have been written for you Bandy

Tillerman93 Posted on 17/8 17:57
re: Gays adopting children

yes, get all the usual schoolboy stuff in. I know where I stand with my sexuality, and im fairly liberal minded and open to most things which makes me a grounded person.

The only weird people I have ever met have been straight guys.

Secretly, I bet they were hog tied and fisted.

bandito Posted on 17/8 17:59
re: Gays adopting children

dear oh dear, where is this thread heading. I'm making light of a situation. Some of you should try it you uptight bas tards

gravy_boat Posted on 17/8 17:59
re: Gays adopting children

Don't you see, you're either a bigot, or a raving homo, there is no inbetween in the tiny minds of Lazenby.

'Your either with us or against us'

Infact, Lazenby sounds a bit like 'Lesbian'. You sure you're not gay?

tees_tug Posted on 17/8 17:59
re: Gays adopting children

I know weird gays and weird straights.

Nedkat Posted on 17/8 18:01
re: Gays adopting children

And teapots, don't forget the teapots .. !!

Tillerman93 Posted on 17/8 18:02
re: Gays adopting children

You've missed my point completely. Why is it society has to differiate people as 'Them' and 'Us'! Espcecially with gay people. do they walk around with a huge hat on that says I am a member of the south Bank agy posse or something. Bleedin ell, sometimes i think people have'nt moved on at all over the last 30 years.

Very sad.

tees_tug Posted on 17/8 18:02
re: Gays adopting children

Lazenby is a place on the outskirts of Redcar Gravy.

bandito Posted on 17/8 18:02
re: Gays adopting children

I can think of a few tosspots

the_thread_needler Posted on 17/8 18:03
re: Gays adopting children

you are as straight as you are educated lazenby.

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flash_harry_boro Posted on 17/8 18:04
re: Gays adopting children

Wow this is gonna be a quick century. Flintoffesque.

SidSnot Posted on 17/8 18:05
re: Gays adopting children

The most important thing when considering adoption is the best interestes of the child in question. Those best interests are generally served through the provision of a loving, educational environment and an economic capacity to meet the needs of the children. In an ideal world, it would be better for these needs to be provided by a heterosexual couple. However, where there are insufficient heterosexual couples who meet this criteria I would rather let gay couples who do meet the criteria adopt than skanky heterosexual couples within whose care the child will be "known" to the Police by the age of 13 or couples who will batter the child etc etc

bandito Posted on 17/8 18:05
re: Gays adopting children

which team are you batting for arry?

bandito Posted on 17/8 18:06
re: Gays adopting children

where do people stand on the skanky gay couple issue - two blokes who just wanna swig hofmeister all day long

tees_tug Posted on 17/8 18:08
re: Gays adopting children

Gays make the best barmen and waiters, in fact, the leisure industry would collapse without them.

Then there is the hairdressing industry. And dress design.

London_Boro Posted on 17/8 18:08
re: Gays adopting children

Tillerman. Nice one!

"whatever i do with my dick is my business and the same applies to females"

Paulinho Posted on 17/8 18:09
re: Gays adopting children

This really is like being in a sixth form common room.

Nedkat Posted on 17/8 18:09
re: Gays adopting children

I'll tell yer exactly where I stand !!

They must be fookin' crazy !! That Hofmeister tastes like cough medicine, and is to be avoided at all costs !!

gravy_boat Posted on 17/8 18:09
re: Gays adopting children

no sh1tt t_t

bandito Posted on 17/8 18:09
re: Gays adopting children

Thorntons should be grateful - who else would pack all that fudge

flash_harry_boro Posted on 17/8 18:09
re: Gays adopting children

I only bat for England. Was once approached by the opposition in a club in Amsterdam but politely declined. My mates thought it was hilarious as did i.

tees_tug Posted on 17/8 18:11
re: Gays adopting children

Straight blokes cannot arrange flowers. Fact.

Or parcel presents up nicely, another fact cos' I have tried.

SidSnot Posted on 17/8 18:12
re: Gays adopting children

Flash - I assume he was pi**ed and had his beer goggles on?

Azedarac Posted on 17/8 18:12
re: Gays adopting children

Anyone who drags up the old chestnut about gays being more intelligent/reasonable as a group than straight people obviously wasn't watching Big Brother. There are some nightmare heterosexual parents, but imagine being brought up by Kemal and Craig!

gravy_boat Posted on 17/8 18:13
re: Gays adopting children

Or Maxwell and Saskia

tees_tug Posted on 17/8 18:14
re: Gays adopting children

That just about settles the case Aze.


No arguments. Craig and Kemal as mam and dad. Or dad and mam?

flash_harry_boro Posted on 17/8 18:14
re: Gays adopting children

I'm a handsome devil snots.

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PhillyMac Posted on 17/8 18:20
re: Gays adopting children

Good grief. You ignore a thread and look what happens!!

Here's my tuppence (on top of the hopefully-obvious statement that gays should be allowed to adopt).

1) There are more kids waiting to be adopted than couples wanting to adopt them

2) Therefore, gays would be adopting kids that would otherwise live in group homes.

3) Therefore, you can't make the arguement that kids adopted by gays could otherwise have a 'normal' upbringing.

If we ever get to the point where there's more suitable couples wanting to adopt than kids to be adopted, then maybe more people considering abortions could be pursuaded that their unborn child has the possibility of a decent life ahead of them, if only given the chance.

gravy_boat Posted on 17/8 18:23
re: Gays adopting children

'That just about settles the case'

No it doesn't.

tees_tug Posted on 17/8 18:29
re: Gays adopting children

"'That just about settles the case'

No it doesn't."


Yes it does.

fist_my_arse Posted on 17/8 18:34
re: Gays adopting children

Gays produce gays. If gays have kids, eventually, the world will be full of raving homosexuals. Mark my words.

gravy_boat Posted on 17/8 18:37
re: Gays adopting children

Kamal is 19 years old
Craig is 20 years old

They are just kids themselves. They are hardly a reflection on the kind of people wishing to adopt children.

gravy_boat Posted on 17/8 18:39
re: Gays adopting children

What a bizarre user name for one with such views.

And your statement is based on what? Scientific and social studies?

grantus Posted on 17/8 18:42
re: Gays adopting children

By being gay doesn't qualify you to adopt. You still need to be of good character. Craig and Kamal, I dont think so.

I go along with Fischer on this one.

Just as many f'cked up straight folk as there are gay people.

If a gay couple can provide a good, loving, stable home to kid who would benefit from it, then whats a little butt f'cking between adults behind closed doors?

boro_bliss Posted on 17/8 18:42
re: Gays adopting children

And I thought we live in the 21st century.....
It's absolutely shocking how some people on here can describe gay people as immoral.
What's wrong with being gay? It is not a disease!

fist_my_arse Posted on 17/8 18:44
re: Gays adopting children

It's ironic. Actually.

Gay sperm will make a gay baby.

If the baby is male, it will come out (snarf snarf) with a limp wrist and flamboyant clothes.

If the baby is female, it will come out (tee hee) butch, with a tattoo of an anchor on its arm. It will probably have a bald head.

Azedarac Posted on 17/8 18:47
re: Gays adopting children

"Just as many f'cked up straight folk as there are gay people"

My point exactly (but transposed). I was responding to a couple of posts of the type that state that the only messed up people I know are straight, and all the gays are well rounded individuals. The Craig and Kemal thing was an attempt to make the point and lighten the thread up a bit at the same time. Obvously I misjudged it.

gravy_boat Posted on 17/8 18:47
re: Gays adopting children

Are you mentally ill?

boro_bliss Posted on 17/8 18:49
re: Gays adopting children

People have the right to love whoever they want. Man loves woman, man loves man, what the hell is the problem???
Gay people can be better parents than a heterosexual couple.

It's about tolerance and having a brain.
The whole thread is shocking.

gravy_boat Posted on 17/8 18:51
re: Gays adopting children

'It may have a bald head'

Well, what are the chances of that?

Piquet2 Posted on 17/8 18:52
re: Gays adopting children

So what you are saying is they could turn out to be a bit of a ponce?

tony_block19 Posted on 17/8 18:57
re: Gays adopting children

Personally I'm very homophobic, don't think its right, I can't imagine what goes through your head to think another guy is sexy.

Will I get banned for that cos' I don't agree with the clique or I'm not a do-gooder???

Always the tunnel never the funnel.

gravy_boat Posted on 17/8 19:00
re: Gays adopting children

Ah, I see Piquet. Should have known

So, been beat up lately?

Eddie_Catflap Posted on 17/8 19:02
re: Gays adopting children

Thats not necessarily homophobia Tony, that's just being straight. I can't even imagine how women find men attractive either, they should all be lesbians or at least bisexual

It's fear or contempt of people who are gay that is homophobic.

joseph99 Posted on 17/8 19:03
re: Gays adopting children

Far too many debates going on and people getting confused with the issues.

Adoption is totally different to making a baby.

Many of the views are looking at the gay parents and thinking "they're alright," they might be but what about the kids growing up.

No one has mentioned cost.

My take (as a parent of two well behaved, well-mannered intelligent kids):

Not convinced that gay couples should be given the "air time" to create artificial kids. Mainly on moral grounds. Then there is the stigma. As parents the key is balance; this takes skill and an element of instinctive behaviour from each parent. Two lesbians or two gays would offer an unbalanced approach to parenthood. What if this artificial kid (eg a boy) has a very high testosterone level, how would he behave towards his effeminate parents. Complete mismatch.

Artificial insemination and egg donation should be for those married couples that cannot have a natural child.

Kids are most cruel things around. If it gets around that Ben's parents are bent, imagine the stigma. It's not on.

You cannot overlook the kids future in this. I would actually allow gays to adopt mentally retarded kids (produced from natural parenting), that way no stigma can be generated in later life.

tony_block19 Posted on 17/8 19:05
re: Gays adopting children

But I am scared of them Catflap!
They freak me out! Like clowns with saggy bum bums!

tees_tug Posted on 17/8 19:08
re: Gays adopting children

This is real homophobia; A bit harsh like. What is the tallest building in Middlesbrough. Is it the Uni tower or that OneNorthEast thingy?

"One of the earliest and most authoritative commentators on the Qur'an, Ibn 'Abbas (died 687) stipulated a two-step execution in which "the sodomite should be thrown from the highest building in the town and then stoned." Later it was decided that if no building were tall enough, the sodomite could be shoved off a cliff.

Subsequent commentators on the Qur'an denounced homosexuality in what ethnologist Jim Wafer calls "extravagant" terms: "Whenever a male mounts another male the throne of God trembles; the angels look on in loathing and say, 'Lord, why do you not command the earth to punish them and the heavens to rain stones on them.'"

Link: Going too far..

Matelot Posted on 17/8 19:32
re: Gays adopting children

Just because our society and law makers now tell us that homosexuality is now ok, and we who are not homosexual and dont think its right at all are in the wrong, that doesnt mean that it is right does it?
in our country the legal age for a male or female to have sex is 16, but in other countries its lower by several years.
to me that proves that laws are man and can change with time reproduction does not.

boro_bliss Posted on 17/8 19:43
re: Gays adopting children

Luckily in other countries being gay is considered as normal.

Matelot Posted on 17/8 19:45
re: Gays adopting children

Only in the secular west it is.

Eddie_Catflap Posted on 17/8 19:52
re: Gays adopting children

Well I think you're wrong to think like that Tony but it's up to you.

However don't dare show up on the catflapsclowns.com forums with that clownophobic attitude, the punters won't be happy.

Matelot..

Ah, fook it. Don't answer that. I sound like I'm turning into the boards gay crusader. I'm off to drink some cans.

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karembeu_ca Posted on 17/8 20:40
re: Gays adopting children

"What's wrong with being gay? It is not a disease!"

funnily enough, as Ned said, chemical differences in the brain can be seen between straight and gay men. 'diseases' such as depression, schizophrenia and the like are classed as 'diseases' - hmmmm.

'being gay' is one of the least understood things out there, and as someone who is not confortable with the 'lifestyle', I would still be hard pressed to say that a kid would be worse off with a responsible, eligible gay couple than in and out of state homes.

I don't believe that growing up with gay parents is any more likely to make you gay than having straight parents, but if the behaviour is modelled for you, you may be more likely to try it. That part could be detrinmental, and make you confused. teenagers have enough issues, but do tend to work them out in the end.

sweet_left_foot Posted on 17/8 20:52
re: Gays adopting children

what's wrong weith trying it? They might like it.

livinglegend Posted on 17/8 21:28
re: Gays adopting children

bandito and flash_harry, I'd be less inclined to let the likes of you adopt kids than two homosexuals.

I can't believe that such ignorance still exists in this day and age - if two gay parents are going to 'turn the kids gay', how does that explain homosexuality in the first place. Gay men and women are born to, and brought up by straight parents aren't they? So how do they become gay? Surely their parent would 'keep them straight'?

Comments like 'they won't grow up normal' are unbelievably short-sighted and straight out of the dark ages. Do you base your views on homosexuals from what you have seen on Queer as Folk or something?

I've seen some straght couple who I wouldn't entrust with the well being of a hamster, let alone a child.

boro_bliss Posted on 17/8 21:39
re: Gays adopting children

Totally agree with livinglegend.
It's like still living in the middle-ages.

Reg_Perrin Posted on 17/8 22:03
re: Gays adopting children

Do any of you people live in the real world?

Its not natural for two men or two women to parent a child! not my view's its the law of nature!

For the record I am not against homosexuals and im all for gay marriages etc if thats what people want but they should in no way be able to bring a child into such an environment, that is,... by default... simply not natural.

And before you shout people down for being against gay adoption, they are not 'intollerant' having 'no brain' or 'living in the middle ages'.... (yes you boro_bliss, but others too). We are just as cablable as carrying out a reasoned thought process on a subject as others.

Its peoples personal opinion and mine is that it is very wrong.

Reg_Perrin Posted on 17/8 22:10
re: Gays adopting children

And before you all get back on your high horse(s)

Regarding gay couples getting sperm doners (as per flash_harry's origional post) Im pretty sure most people are aginst allowing this. The majority can't be wrong can it? or is democracy wrong on this occasion?

billogsfinest Posted on 17/8 22:15
re: Gays adopting children

imagine the kids at school!

Doctor_Octagon Posted on 17/8 22:16
re: Gays adopting children

I have no quarrel with it as long as children are allowed to adopt gays in the same way they can adopt dolphins or lion cubs. My daughter would choose the bloke who works in "The Curtain Shop" on Linthorpe Road.

livinglegend Posted on 17/8 22:21
re: Gays adopting children

The majority can obviously be wrong. Since when has the formula applied that if the majority want to do something it is the right thing to do?

And Reg, at least have the guts to claim your idiotic view as your own instead of hiding them behind this 'law of nature'. Where is this law written down, exactly?

Gay sperm, eh? Whatever next...

Reg_Perrin Posted on 17/8 22:45
re: Gays adopting children

"The majority can obviously be wrong. Since when has the formula applied that if the majority want to do something it is the right thing to do?"

Err.. something called democratic law that we fought Hitler for springs to mind!

"And Reg, at least have the guts to claim your idiotic view as your own instead of hiding them behind this 'law of nature'. Where is this law written down, exactly?"

Read my last sentence fool I do claim the view as my own. and you know exactly what i mean by the law of nature.

"Gay sperm, eh? Whatever next..."
If you mean injecting sperm into a gay couple so they can have a child then yes I think this is wrong.

The_GOAT Posted on 17/8 23:13
re: Gays adopting children

If I may interject;

Using your example, did the majority of Germans not want to extradite and execute the Jews? Was that democratic choice the right thing?

Reg_Perrin Posted on 17/8 23:31
re: Gays adopting children

Sorry been watching the 'lowlights' of that enland game.

Im no historian so may be on dodgy ground here but no i dont think that the majority of Germans did want the holocaust. They were part of a brainwashed fear spreading regime ran by a dictator who called the shots rather than a peoples vote. Not a democratic choice at all.

And besides if you look at the bigger picture most of rest of the world demorcratically chose to get rid of him and his ideas. So overall yes. The democratic choice was right.

Anyway were getting off the subject and im going to bed, clearly in the minority on this one!

YouAreMyBoro Posted on 17/8 23:41
re: Gays adopting children

WOW. This has made great reading. As long as any couple (or single person) is deemed as ok to look after 2 kids that's fine by me. Gays can be over the top sometimes, but then so can loads of people - even straight people with random beefs about gays.

As long as a child can be brought up in a loving and stable environment that should be what counts. And I'm assuming that a proper couple - gay or not - would not try and steer their child towards being a gay or not being a gay depending upon their own sexual preference(s), unless they were doyles.

The_GOAT Posted on 17/8 23:57
re: Gays adopting children

I didn't really make a judgement, just brought up a point.

Why would gay people need a sperm donor?

MyBoro Posted on 18/8 0:13
re: Gays adopting children

Agree with YouAreMyBoro. Its about children having good parents who can support thier children. Obviously would expect it to be no more difficult or easy for any couple to adopt, just look at suitability.

There are many issues with fostering and adoption when you consider race/religion however the aim is always to do what is best for the child, not the adopting parent.

Tillerman93 Posted on 18/8 1:18
re: Gays adopting children

Whats deemed as natural in your book? You mean a man and woman should be together and not two men...and where does it say that this is natural, and two men adopting a child is unnatural?
It amazes me the moral high ground people take on such matters.
Is anal sex with a woman natural? Is fisting natural? Is eating meat natural? Is paying for a season ticket and watching a load of crap for nine months natural?

Lisbonlegend Posted on 18/8 1:25
re: Gays adopting children

I think it's wrong. I for one wouldn't have been happy with having 2 dads and no mother. It makes me sick just thinking about it.

jax_1 Posted on 18/8 3:41
re: Gays adopting children

" There are many issues with fostering and adoption when you consider race/religion however the aim is always to do what is best for the child, not the adopting parent "


That isn't always the case though is it? Kids have been taken away from foster parents who have, all of a sudden become unsuitable in the eyes of S.S. to adopt, even though they may have fostered that child/children for several years just because, they are fat/ they smoke/ they are not 'right on, liberal bleeding hearts' and their P.C. skills are lacking for whatever reason. In those cases, surely the best is not being done for the child/children. All that is being achieved is giving some social worker or other a power trip. The sword of damocles hangs high!

The same applies to cases like the one I have read about this week, where 2 loving parents have been ordered to have their children adopted because the mother, ( who suffers from learning difficulties, though can read and write ) was deemed to have changed a nappy too slowly. The children were well fed, clean and loved. All of the decisions were made behind locked doors. The parents had their hands tied because of social services secrecy rules so the parents were not even allowed to have a legal representative at any of the meetings, nor were they allowed to contact their M.P. for help.

Seems to me, that social services are too concerned with their own bigotted agenda to worry about what's best for children.

As for gays being allowed to adopt, I have no real objections, as long as they are the best matched parents? to that particular child/ children. Not just for the sake of being ' on message.'

What happened to those 2 guys that employed a surrogate mother/ to have their children?

bobstermarley Posted on 18/8 7:40
re: Gays adopting children

Have been avoiding commenting on this thread like the plague as it does get rather tiring being "the only gay in the village".......

For the benefit of some of the newer posters on this thread - YES, "they" walk amongst us.

I have to say, I'm appalled by some of the prejudice and stereotyping being displayed on here.

Some people really need to give their heads a shake, it's 2005, not 1805.

As a puff who DOESN'T sign up to the whole "gay culture" thing - i.e. the media stereotype that all queer people lead identical homogenous lifestlyes revolving around nightclubs, drugs, casual sex, flower arranging, being good at wrapping presents (that's a beaut that one), the limp wristed feminisation of masculinity, watching endless re-runs of Gimme Gimme Gimme, an unhealthy interest in Cher and other female "survivors", listening to Judy Garland records etc - my only comment is that as far I'm concerned, the only defining feature consistent to all gay people is sex, the fact that queers, like me, are sexually attracted to people of their own sex. That's where the similarity between us all begins and ends.

I make NO apologies for the fact that I prefer men to women. I spent a lot of years in denial of that simple truth because of some of the attitudes on display on this thread and I came to the conclusion that I had as much right to lead a "normal" life - in a monogamous relationship with someone, arguing over the bills, moaning about work, going down the pub, spending endless hours at the Riverside, watching garbage on television (and at the Riverside, on occasion) - as any straight person.

What's really offensive is the notion that "well, that's ok, as long as you don't try and shove it down my throat (wink, wink, nudge nudge)". Once again, the idea that all gay people are sexual predators, waiting to pounce on the unwary straight bloke, rears it's ugly head, the idea that "gayness" will trample over all and sundry, infecting those that are weak in mind and spreading its infection throughout the land until there are no more "normal" people left, just a lump of Julian Clarys and John Inmans, mincing morning, noon and night.

Yeah right.

If people want to provide a loving, nurturing, supportive environment to bring kids up in, what's the problem? Oh yes, cos it wouldn't be "normal" and have clearly defined roles of male and female in the home - those clearly defined roles that are SO successful in 100% of straight homes across the country, rearing generations of well mannered, respectful children, who know the meaning of wrong and right and hold doors open for old people and don't terrorise housing estates and shopping centres.

Every other week, my boyfriends brothers 4 kids come to stay. We slob around, eat pizza, watch DVDs together (Doctor Who - week in, week out), go out on walks, go to the beach, go to the pictures, I'm teaching 2 of them to play the guitar, I sometimes take them to the match. All worryingly "normal" I'm afraid.

They couldn't care less that their Uncle is a puff, nor that their Uncle's boyfriend is one too! All they're bothered about is the fact that their Uncle is really happy - and provides a limitless supplies of food, drink and pocket money. It isn't some dark, dirty secret that their Uncle is a bummer, it's just the way it is.

They are the happiest, most well mannered kids you could ever wish to meet and I love them to bits.

I wouldn't want to be a parent myself, and I can truly understand how some people get hot under the collar about that, but I have the greatest respect for those gay people who want to be, or are, parents. You can't "teach" someone to be gay, it isn't something you make a choice about - it just is.

Don't worry about it, it's not going to get you.

karmapolice Posted on 18/8 8:19
re: Gays adopting children

Bobster: great post.

My priority is with the kids'needs, not the parents'.

Buggerlugs Posted on 18/8 8:21
re: Gays adopting children

Bobmasterly that is a great post. Warmed the cockles of my heart it did.


ps any chance of a nosh?

Chutney Posted on 18/8 8:25
re: Gays adopting children

Brilliant, bob.

I was all set to have a moan about how depressing it was for such an obvious wind up merchant as harry to have got a 100+ thread on the back of such a blatant bite hunt, but if it generates posts as good as that one, then I think we can handle having one of Rivals' servers having to store a few KB of drivel to get to it.

Capybara Posted on 18/8 8:29
re: Gays adopting children

Nice one bobster

sasboro Posted on 18/8 8:34
re: Gays adopting children

the image of a gay man is not helped by the gay blokes you get on stuff like big brother. eg craig.

BTW, can a straight/gay bloke on his own adopt a child? if not why not? single parent families seems the norm these days.

in a custody case it would be interesting to see who wins the custody of the child with no woman involved.

BTW, why isnt there a 'i love shagging bitches' march ?

--- Post edited by sasboro on 18/8 8:39 ---

Chutney Posted on 18/8 8:38
re: Gays adopting children

Sas, the image of humanity isn't helped by what you see on Big Brother.

Was your post intended to sound as thick as it did?

tees_tug Posted on 18/8 8:42
re: Gays adopting children

Showing kids Dr. Who repeats is plainly wrong, especially if they are the new 'pink dalek' ones.


Come Christmas, can I bring my presents round for you to wrap please?

sasboro Posted on 18/8 8:45
re: Gays adopting children

what i was trying to say is that in the media(not just big brother) they always have people who follw the stereo typical image. so that makes everyone think gay men are like that in real life.

Chutney Posted on 18/8 8:47
re: Gays adopting children

No, it makes thickos think gay men are like that in real life.

Some of us have actually met one or two for ourselves, you know.

sasboro Posted on 18/8 8:53
re: Gays adopting children

"Some of us have actually met one or two for ourselves, you know."

Yes and so have i.

sorry quoted you wrong comments!

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gravy_boat Posted on 18/8 8:53
re: Gays adopting children

Bobster,

Can I send my nephew round yours to learn the guitar? At the moment all he wants to do is kill hamsters.

tees_tug Posted on 18/8 8:54
re: Gays adopting children

Chutney, what makes you so superior to the rest of us. Are your gay friends better then ours? Do you assume we do not know any 'real' gays. Do you think we live in a totally heterosexual world, and have never worked with, been friends with, or have a family member who is gay?

You should carry a big placard at all times;

"I am the only gays friend in this village"

Chutney Posted on 18/8 8:57
re: Gays adopting children

Stop stirring, tug.

Either read that exchange again until you understand it, or stop deliberately missing the point.

tees_tug Posted on 18/8 9:00
re: Gays adopting children

It is my purpose in life. And on the subject of stirring, bobster must feel patronised by some of you.














--- Post edited by tees_tug on 18/8 9:01 ---

tees_tug Posted on 18/8 9:06
re: Gays adopting children

Although it is seperate from the issues on here, that is a frightening story jax. What about human rights?



"The same applies to cases like the one I have read about this week, where 2 loving parents have been ordered to have their children adopted because the mother, ( who suffers from learning difficulties, though can read and write ) was deemed to have changed a nappy too slowly. The children were well fed, clean and loved. All of the decisions were made behind locked doors. The parents had their hands tied because of social services secrecy rules so the parents were not even allowed to have a legal representative at any of the meetings, nor were they allowed to contact their M.P. for help.
"

sasboro Posted on 18/8 9:20
re: Gays adopting children

anyone remember that trashy american sit com called "my 2 dads"

jax_1 Posted on 18/8 9:22
re: Gays adopting children

Hi Tug, it's nothing short of a disgace.

As far as the human rights act is concerned, it is not applicable in child protection cases, I don't think. Am sure someone will know more about the legal intracacies than I do but I guess, social services would say that the secrecy was necessary to protect the child.
Personally when you read stuff like that, I think it's themselves they are more interested in protecting.

Truly despicable people that could do that to a happy family.

Link: more details here

Cheeses_Christ Posted on 18/8 9:26
re: Gays adopting children

"anyone remember that trashy american sit com called "my 2 dads""



You obviously don't because the two dads in question weren't gay. So why you felt the need to post that on here, god only knows

--- Post edited by Cheeses_Christ on 18/8 9:27 ---

sasboro Posted on 18/8 9:28
re: Gays adopting children

yes i knew they werent gay!

seems like this thread has become a point scoring thread


"You obviously don't because the two dads in question weren't gay. So why you felt the need to post that on here, god only knows"

not sure. maybe because it was to do with 2 men being the parents. i think the clue was in the title of the programme. whether they were gay or not didnt matter.

--- Post edited by sasboro on 18/8 9:30 ---

Cheeses_Christ Posted on 18/8 9:36
re: Gays adopting children

No. You thought you were being a smart ar_se and decided to post another witless comment, as is the norm with you

sasboro Posted on 18/8 9:37
re: Gays adopting children

not really.

is that another point to you?

chill out mate

tees_tug Posted on 18/8 9:40
re: Gays adopting children

That is a shocking story jax. You would have thought that after the troubles in Cleveland in the 70's things would have changed.

Frightening powers some agencies have.

red_rebel Posted on 18/8 10:00
re: Gays adopting children

Jenny Lives With Eric and Martin anyone?

Alcoe Posted on 18/8 10:10
re: Gays adopting children

BobsterMarley, you are far from being the only gay in the village, or indeed on the website! (But you may be one of the braver ones...) I opened this thread with a sense of the usual despair when the topic is discussed on here. Fischer deserves even more praise than usual for diverting it early on from just another rant full of obscenities.
I'd only make one point, to reinforce what some other people have said. It's not a choice. Being gay is not like buying a car. You either have a homosexual component, or you don't. Some people have brains which mean they are sexually attracted to both sexes, some (most) are attracted solely to the opposite sex, and some are attracted sexually to their own sex. With some people it's almost certainly genetic, and with others, it may be environmental, but the jury is still out on that one, no pun intended.

London_Boro Posted on 18/8 10:11
re: Gays adopting children

Can't see the problem, Looks like a nice enough chap to me.

Link: Daddy !!

Alcoe Posted on 18/8 10:17
re: Gays adopting children

Probably LondonBoro's worst nightmare.
But very funny!!!

TyronePower Posted on 18/8 10:24
re: Gays adopting children

There many differing views because it is a sore subject. Some people are getting themselves into a hole. I believe one or two people are suffering from AandE syndrome - ie not knowing their a@rse from somebody else's elbow.

My view is as long as they dont ram it down your throat it's ok.

Ok seriously now - it should work and most gays of both sexes would be monitored and therefore I'm sure they would make a success and the UK might be a more balanced place to live.

Azedarac Posted on 18/8 10:26
re: Gays adopting children

On the genetic thing, Will Young is gay, but his twin brother is straight. At first I thought this discredited the genetic argument. Then when you find out they aren't identical twins (so don't share the exact same genetic makeup), it actually provides an argument against environment being the deciding factor. After all they would have both received pretty much the same upbringing.

I've not really got a point, I just find it interesting.

The_River Posted on 18/8 10:39
re: Gays adopting children

bobster - that really is an excellent post. It should be compulsory reading for the idiots on here before they are allowed to start any threads about "gays/puffs/queers".

--- Post edited by The_River on 18/8 11:07 ---

speckyget Posted on 18/8 10:51
re: Gays adopting children

Although a splendid post indeed, its length and erudition make it somewhat unsuitable for 'compulsory reading'.

Perhaps bobster could come up with an abridged version - no more than twenty single-syllable words, and perhaps a nice drawing or two.

Feel free to use this:

























speckyget Posted on 18/8 10:51
re: Gays adopting children

Hmmm...two.

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TyronePower Posted on 18/8 11:05
re: Gays adopting children

Bobster - sorry
Not sure if an apology helps for my pathetic effort at humour.
Enjoyed reading your thread - I obviously should've read it before I posted.
Society and particularly Northern man has a lot to learn.
You've gone some way to give us all a more balanced and inclusive view. Good luck.

bgirl Posted on 18/8 12:21
re: Gays adopting children

I always wondered why people could be anti-gay.

After all, the only person whose sex life I'm concerned with (apart from my own) is my partner's. I really couldn't care less who other people are having sex with.

karmapolice Posted on 18/8 15:14
re: Gays adopting children

I am not anti-gay, but the thread has been twisted to highlight this point.

There's always a neanderthal-type macho man who is going to be completely opposed to gay's. However, on the subject in hand, there's more to parenthood than feeding them pizza (which is bad) and watching TV.