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captain5 Posted on 8/9 13:46
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We need to be getting in someone with some experience of management, but not someone as old as the likes of Venables, although if he has had the chance to work with a top manager previously that would be a bonus. They must have won something in the past and ideally would have some experience of managing a team in Europe. To be honest, I can't really think of anyone.

fatharrywhite Posted on 8/9 13:47
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it would be a disaster if he went.

only boro fans could have endless threads about him being sacked/ possible replacements because of the result of an England game!

littlejimmy Posted on 8/9 13:48
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I disagree with the last point. We played our best, most attractive football under Robson in 1996/97. But then that depends on what you class as good football.

MontagueWithnail Posted on 8/9 13:48
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Sven in

Buddy Posted on 8/9 13:49
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captain.

Some of the stuff we've played in the last couple of years, especially with Mendieta in the team, has been blinding lj. However in 1996/7 I was sat in row 2 and therefore may have appreciated it less I suppose.

green_beret20 Posted on 8/9 13:50
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The man doesnt inspire much backing though when he STILL hasn't signed his contract.

Sign up or leave, you cannot have job security but still have the ability to leave tomorrow if he could.

RAZMOND_HWDR Posted on 8/9 13:50
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we are ready to move on and leave the England Manager wannabie behind.

A new fresh approach to take us to the next level is needed...

Enter Martin O`Neil.

Buddy Posted on 8/9 13:51
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Yes you can. Once I've been in a job a year I have to do something wrong for my employer to sack me, but I can give him notice at any time.

littlejimmy Posted on 8/9 13:51
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I was in row 30. It looked good from up there, and recently I've been in row 13. Maybe the height of your view dictates your enjoyment of the game. Interesting. Someone should do a survey.

karembeu_ca Posted on 8/9 13:52
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is this one THIS WEEKS poll - as last week was overwhelmingly in favour of SMAC, and the only change has been 2 ENGLAND games???

get a grip.

green_beret20 Posted on 8/9 13:53
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Comparing your job to a prem manager isnt much comparison.

RAZMOND_HWDR Posted on 8/9 13:54
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2 more bad england games and we wont need to sack him, he will leave us instead.

Nedkat Posted on 8/9 13:55
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The majority of his signings have been great, he's made some wonderful deals along the way. His coaching skills have no bounds, and his teeth look lovely. But .. the one single aspect of his ability that lags behind all of his other attributes, is his capacity to get those players motivated.
That is why he will go and be the next England manager, and we will replace him with Tony Mowbray.

scoea Posted on 8/9 13:56
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Agree completely Buddy. I would be devastated if he went, particularly if he is driven out by the idiots.

The 96/97 is looked back upon fondly but for the most part with notable exceptions the football was awful. Anyone remember insipid performances against Southampton, Coventry etc etc?

skiprat Posted on 8/9 13:56
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Anyone agree with me that it would be an utter disaster for the club if he did?

YES

Anyone agree with me that going to matches these days is a chore because of the high percentage of idiots who are there just to criticise?

YES! Although I don't notice as many at the match as I do on here. The apathy around the stadium is growing tiresome though.

Anyone agree with me that it matters not one jot if we play like Brazil or Barnet as long as we get the points?

YES.

Anyone agree with me that in fact we've seen a lot more Brazil than Barnet over the last two years, including the best football we've seen in the last twenty?

YES.

borodavey Posted on 8/9 13:57
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sorry Buddy we dont play like brazil and never have cos we are structured, Brazil are a free flowing team. To be honest i am more in favour of entertainment rather than results but we have to players to do both. Where is the rule that says you cant entertain and win, Arsenal and man utd manage it, Liverpool won the champions league by been able to do both.

The fans are drifting away cos they wont pay money to watch it, if smac stays we will be lucky to have 15000 season ticket holders next season cos many wont pay out to watch another season with him in charge. So ask yourself where will Boro be then, we wont have no money to compete and will end up on the slide. Come on we are in europe which is great but 10 yr ago everyone would have paid 20 quid to see us in europe, it would have sold out twice over, now people dont want to go and be bored to sleep.I think the majority want entertainment

littlejimmy Posted on 8/9 14:01
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We played better football the following season in Div 1 as well. I bet anyone would struggle to name 10 really good footballing performances from the last 2 years.

skiprat Posted on 8/9 14:06
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Regarding 96/97, I can't see there being much outstanding football played to produce these results... 16 DEFEATS.

21.08.96 Chelsea 0 - 1
21.09.96 ARSENAL 0 - 2
28.09.96 Southampton 0 - 4
19.10.96 TOTTENHAM 0 - 3
03.11.96 Newcastle 1 - 3
17.11.96 Derby 1 - 2
30.11.96 Aston Villa 0 - 1
03.12.96 LEICESTER 0 - 2
14.12.96 Liverpool 1 - 5
28.12.96 Coventry 0 - 3
01.01.97 Arsenal 0 - 2
11.01.97 SOUTHAMPTON 0 - 1
22.02.97 NEWCASTLE 0 - 1
01.03.97 Sheffield Wednesday 1 - 3
19.04.97 SUNDERLAND 0 - 1
24.04.97 Tottenham 0 - 1

littlejimmy Posted on 8/9 14:09
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A defeat doesn't always mean there was a bad performance. I remember us playing quite well against Arsenal in the 2-0 home defeat. They just muscled us out of it and wore us down.

scoea Posted on 8/9 14:09
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LJ - there weren'1 10 in the 96/97 season!!!

We've already had one this season - against Brum!

captain5 Posted on 8/9 14:09
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Stop it skiprat. I'm getting all sentimental again.

MrAngryInKuwait Posted on 8/9 14:10
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I think the reason Mac's getting so much stick today, isn't down to the England result, but more the fact that he's there instead of being at the club that pays his wages, preparing the team for the Arsenal game.

skiprat Posted on 8/9 14:14
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"Arsenal and man utd manage it, Liverpool won the champions league by been able to do both."

Liverpool won the Champions League by being entertaining? How was that, I seem to recallthem scraping through some very ordinary games. (Aside from the final)

Man U and Arsenal can play entertaining and win because they have the players to be able to do that.

10 really good performances in the last two years...

This season

Birmingham away 3 0

Last Season

West Brom home 4 0
Tottenham home 1 0
Norwich City home 2 0
Partizan Belgrade home 3 0
Man City home 3 2
Liverpool home 2 0
Lazio home 2 0
Charlton away 2 1
Blackburn away 4 0
Man U away 1 1
Fulham away 2 - 0

Fook it, there's 12.

BossHogg Posted on 8/9 14:16
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Fookin ell, this daily, Mac In, Mac Out, threads are becoming as mind numbingly boring as watching both England and Boro lately..

captain5 Posted on 8/9 14:17
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Now, now, Boss. You know you don't mean that.

BossHogg Posted on 8/9 14:20
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I think you'll find....

borodavey Posted on 8/9 14:21
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Some where good games but some where only good cos we won, not cos we played entertaining football, for instance west brom 4-0 they where the better team, liverpool sat back pretty much all the second half, although i would say Man city 3-2 was game i enjoyed.

boroboy75 Posted on 8/9 14:22
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That Tottenham game last season was crap.

captain5 Posted on 8/9 14:25
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West Brom were the better team??

skiprat Posted on 8/9 14:26
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We won 4-0 and you didn't enjoy it?!

What do you people want? I honestly do not understand.

borodavey Posted on 8/9 14:32
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West Brom where th etter team and with better finishing would have won, we put all of our chances away they missed far more, for instance, earnshaws one on one, they hit the post, kanu with his free header and more than a few fantastic saves from brad jones(who also got man of the match just to show how busy he was) Also Villa we on 3-0 but again they where the better tam without doubt.

skiprat Posted on 8/9 14:35
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On a very basic level, what is there NOT to enjoy about a 4-0 win?

I don't give a fook who played the best, surely a game where both teams are going for it and we win comfortably, is a more entertaining game than one we win 1-0?

tees_tug Posted on 8/9 14:43
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Yarm_Legend would have made a better job of this thread.

It lacks passion.

JonSina Posted on 8/9 15:03
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my boss is a man city fan, clearly remember texting him at half time and full time that the game was the worst 3-2 game I have ever seen!! Fair enough we scored 3 goals and they got 2, but the rest of it was dross!

Also seem to remember last season counting the amount of games between a shot on target and all the threads about winning vs entertainment, nothing changes...

I wanted rid of him last season, but that was towards the end of the season (after shambolic performances and disdain of the fans - for example see Villareal away)

As for this season, I couldn't give a rats arse, I will go anyway, whether we are winning/losing/drawing/playing well/playing crap.

We won't get rid of him so I'll give him a chance before I get on his back again (I never went to the Charlton game as I was in Agia Napa watching it on Sky, getting laughed at by a bunch of Germans who took great pleasure in constantly shouting MIDDLESBROUGH ARE SHlT, to which I couldn't argue)

20_Briggsy Posted on 8/9 16:01
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Agree totally buddy.

Most of those people slagging off Mac now, wouldnt have been anywhere near the club 10/15 years ago.

cooper_96 Posted on 8/9 16:30
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I'm hoping the witty response of "Yes, but who won the war? Fookers" was used JS..

boroboy75 Posted on 8/9 16:33
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Like you Briggsy, eh?

20_Briggsy Posted on 8/9 16:36
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I would have been a nipper. But we're over populated with fickle fans who have came from no where. Who dont like it when free flowing football isnt played for 90 minutes of every game. Just go back 15 years what were our attendances?

West_Coast Posted on 8/9 17:00
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Really!!! and pray by what miracle of information technology do you deduce that!!! SMac has been a disaster for the club only the new labour style spin makes it look different. We won the Carling Cup by some superb performance by TLF amongst others SMac muscled in and tried to take all the glory. That got us into Europe and the extra money enabled some new signings which managed to see us scrape and I mean scrape another European place. But my god the Riverside experience has gone way down the plug hole over these ten years. No wonder the crowd has taken to leaving early how long before they don't make it there in the first place?

borodavey Posted on 8/9 18:14
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they are already not making it to games. Look opinions on this are 50/50. Some people see no wrong cos he won us a cup. I did go 15 yr ago but now with all the money invested and the squad we have i want better, i want entertainment. I want value for Money. I used to live in scotland and used to get the train back for every home game in the lennie lawrence dark days, i was 15 and had to stay at my aunties but i made it everytime, so its not like im not one of the Realfans. I have been a season ticket holder for 12 yr also, its just my opinion along with many others that the current manager is pap.

ravsplumber Posted on 8/9 18:26
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"Most of those people slagging off Mac now, wouldnt have been anywhere near the club 10/15 years ago"


yet another fabrication from our resident toady crawler

PaddlingBack Posted on 8/9 18:32
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Why McClaren is still in the job is beyond me.

ccole Posted on 8/9 18:47
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I agree with Buddy, though the Charlton game must be a "one off"

I dont fear getting beat of Arsenal, I fear the bo11oks which will be on here and on the likes of the legends for the seven days afterwards. That is what making going to matches a bit of a chore at the moment.

20_Briggsy Posted on 8/9 18:58
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"Why McClaren is still in the job is beyond me."


This comment to me suggest that your either a goerdie or a mackem. How any boro fan can be dissapointed with the last 4 years is simply beyond me.

borodavey Posted on 8/9 19:03
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i could say the same about you briggsy cos only a Geordie would want us playing this negative football and losing fans, we used to be everyones second favourite team to watch in 96-97 and everyone used to say that. Now everyone thinks w are the most boring team, we all heard the chants aginst spurs in he first half, Boring boring boro. The fact is we are losing fans, and if we want to progress we need to build a fan base, if McClaren has to go to do that then fair enough, i wont get worse, we are currently on course fo 15000 season tickets next year, we need a boost that a new manager might supply. We need to get the fans excited again.

PaddlingBack Posted on 8/9 19:03
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Briggsy, you are a t!t. I would argue what you said but I feel that you are a lesser-being therefore I will not debate with you.

20_Briggsy Posted on 8/9 19:07
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I'm very pleased with the progress we've made in the last 4 years, and if fans want to give up on the club after 4 games into the season then good riddance, as far as im concerned.

Judging by the way some people go on, you'd think we had as big as past as Man Utd before McClaren came.

PaddlingBack Posted on 8/9 19:08
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Get your season tickets out lads......

Mines out.

borodavey Posted on 8/9 19:12
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Did Robson not make progress, yet if venables hadnt came in we would have went down, sometimes a manager can stay to long, your a fool if you think the manager is more importat than the fans, who is going to pay his wages if we dont turn up you muppett. If the fans stop going we will be in trouble.

LLPJ Posted on 8/9 19:12
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It's a shame that the way we play loses fans and maybe isn't as exciting as under Robson but the fact is that this is the most successful we've been as a club and like it or lump it McLaren is the most successful manager we've ever had.

It's up to you whether you prefer an attractive style or a less attractive and sometimes dull style which is more likely to get us higher up the table. I prefer the second

20_Briggsy Posted on 8/9 19:14
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Oh how big of you. I had a season ticket the season before last for 3 years, and went to most games before that on ticket basis. I'm getting my season ticket for this season when i my first wage from my apprenticeship next week. My first wage in 2 years.

PaddlingBack Posted on 8/9 19:15
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Not a real Boro fan. I have been a season ticket holder for 10 years, therefore I am a better, more loyal boro fan and my opinions count more than yours.

My opinion is that McClaren should be sacked.

20_Briggsy Posted on 8/9 19:16
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Exactly LLPJ, that what I cannot fathom.

PaddlingBack Posted on 8/9 19:17
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What I can't fathom is why you still want McClaren in the job.... but I suppose you don't really know much about Boro.

20_Briggsy Posted on 8/9 19:18
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PaddlingBack - arrogant pillock.

ccole Posted on 8/9 19:18
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I really dont think its the football keeping people away, I just think people have lost interest like they do with most "fads".

Football has been the place to be at for 10 years, and now people are moving on.

The thing is, many of these people cant admit they dont really give a fook about the club anymore, so blame something else ie - Lamb, McClaren, etc.

Even if we played total football as of this weekend, would most of them dash to the ticket office to renew?..... not while the games are on sky anyway.

Dont try and convince them.

PaddlingBack Posted on 8/9 19:19
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Briggsy- Part-timer.

20_Briggsy Posted on 8/9 19:22
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"What I can't fathom is why you still want McClaren in the job.... but I suppose you don't really know much about Boro."


Now i know what McClaren goes on about when he says he's educating the fans. Before McClaren came, we hadnt won a cup, we werent a established team, we hadnt finished top 7 in the premier league, we werent playing in europe, we hadny qualified for europe via the league. All that have now been achieved.

But thats crap, boooooooooo sack the manager.

PaddlingBack Posted on 8/9 19:26
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Glad to see you have come to your senses Mr Briggs.

20_Briggsy Posted on 8/9 19:29
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Yup. Its suddenly dawned on me. Install a new manager and we'll have 35k sell outs week in week out. With brazilian style free flowing entertain football, with guranteed better success than under Mac.

Bring it on.

PaddlingBack Posted on 8/9 19:30
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The funny thing is.... That could actually happen.

20_Briggsy Posted on 8/9 19:32
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Possibly, chances are it wont!!

ravsplumber Posted on 8/9 19:33
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Despite what SMAC has claimed for himself, Robbo IMO accomplished more for the club and laid the base for his successor to build on. It doesn't require a maestro to accomplish what McClaren has.

PaddlingBack Posted on 8/9 19:35
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I agree RavsPlumber, Robbo did a better job in his years... few c**k up's on the way.... but he and Steve Gibson transformed this club and made it... dare I say it, fashionable and put us on the map.

McClaren has won out first trophy which i'll be forever greatful, but he's still been poor.

goughla Posted on 8/9 19:38
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I just can't believe that the Moron Factor is this high to be honest.

I can understand wanting more for your money but after only two top ten finishes in the Premier LEague where does all the talk of us needing to finish in the CL spots and play attractive footy come from?

A couple of points, I'd rather be higher in the league playing so called Negative Football than have a repeat of 96-97, we wern't everyones second favourite team at all, people wanted us to fall at every hurdle although we did get some praise that we'd never received prior to that season.

Also, it doesn't matter what other people think of our club, fck them. If they don't want to watch us play football then who's arsed?

While I'm here, NEGATIVE FOOTBALL doesn't usually accomodate a cup final victory, European campaigns and being the highest scorers after the top few.

For fcks sake man, Boro "fans" will hound this guy out while the rest of the country wonders what is in the water to make people round here so demented. I remarked to my auld fella the other day that a sizeable amount of people would gladly lynch McClaren given the chance, I just can't get my head round it.

He isn't a perfect manager by any stretch of the imagination but the improvements he has made here during his time thus far mean that I give the guy 100% support.

borodavey Posted on 8/9 19:47
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I have been off work for the past year myself with slipped discs and not earned yet i spend the last of my money getting a season ticket, i also bought season tickets when on a yts(30 a week) and like i said travelled from scotland every week to watch us as a 15yr old and am a season ticket holder of about 12 yr. I am a boro fan just not a smac fan, i have never missed a home league game in 15 yr and im only 25. So i think i a entitled to an opinion, the fans are losing faith, but most importantly the players are, do you think players would dare play for the likes of Stuart Pearce or Alex ferguson like ours did against Charlton. There is not a chance.

goughla Posted on 8/9 19:53
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You wanna get a grip pal, of course you're entitled to an opinion, I don't care how much you've spent on tickets or what your financial status is. It means nothing in this context.


Im not a SMAC fan as there's no such thing. I support Middlesbrough which means that until he does something wrong I will support him. I remember games where Alex Ferguson teams have had it worse than 3-0 against Charlton, these things happen and they will certainly happen at Manchester City before the seasons out.

scoea Posted on 8/9 19:53
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This thread is completely exasperating.

On 12 June 2001 McClaren took over after one of the worst seasons I have experienced. We were relegation fodder with an ill disciplined, aging and expensive squad. We were going nowhere fast. On that day I was a little disappointed that a higher profile manager hadn't come in. I thought it was a risk.

Since then the facts are that we have NEVER been in any real danger of relegation, have won the first trophy in the clubs history, got further in the UEFA Cup that any team ever has on their first attempt, got the highest points tally and Premiership position that ANY other previous Boro team and in doing so have scored more top flight league goals than any previous Riverside era team. Add to that is the Youth Cup win and the emergence of genuine stars like Downing, Morrison and McMahon.

Despite all that there remains a section of fans on here that can say things like:

"What I can't fathom is why you still want McClaren in the job.... but I suppose you don't really know much about Boro."

"SMac has been a disaster for the club only the new labour style spin makes it look different."

"My opinion is that McClaren should be sacked."

" It doesn't require a maestro to accomplish what McClaren has."

Part of me is glad that I will soon no longer be able to contribute to this board. It beggars belief.

PaddlingBack Posted on 8/9 19:55
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Scoea if you weren't an oasis fan i'd throw abuse at you for your stupidity.

scoea Posted on 8/9 19:58
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What in my post is stupid. It is all absolute undeniable fact.

PaddlingBack Posted on 8/9 19:59
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The bit where you defended McClaren.... bit stupid considering the evil's he has done.

ravsplumber Posted on 8/9 20:01
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goughla: For the past two seasons, a CL spot has been there for the taking and we've come up short on both occasions. Many for good reason think that our manager is overly cautious and feel that under him we're unlikely to ever get there.

Scoea: if you think McClaren is personally responsible for all of that, then you're dreamin

scoea Posted on 8/9 20:06
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ravsplumber - you and the others blame him for all that is wrong at the club so what is the difference?

And if he is NOT responsible then who is because no previous manager has ever achieved it.

PaddlingBack Posted on 8/9 20:06
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Steve










Gibson

scoea Posted on 8/9 20:08
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Yes and Steve Gibson believes in and trusts McClaren.

PaddlingBack Posted on 8/9 20:09
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His only flaw is that he is too patient.

West_Coast Posted on 8/9 20:09
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Plaesed with the progress. FFS what progress! I think you must be in the pay of the club. Matchdays are dull boring ordeals and now with the added excitement of being anytime except 3pm on Saturday. What progress a bit of rebuilding after the disaster that was Robbos last season a few fancy dans brought in to replace the old fancy dans to stash the cash for their retirement. Wake up and smell the coffee man.

goughla Posted on 8/9 20:12
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A Champions League spot has never been achievable.

After the Carling Cup the deck chairs were out and last season the list of injuries crippled our season.

I thought the Champions League was a long term aim not a short term one, in which case qualification now would only see us getting knocked out at an early stage.

As I've already stated the last time we didn't play cautiously we were relegated, I don't know about you but my thoughts after the final whistle at Leeds were more about 'Why didnt we shut up shop in earlier games' as opposed to 'at least we played attractive football'. As has been pointed out for you time and time again it is foolish for anyone in the top flight to not be cautious as falling out of the league can be a disaster.

Going for broke and building the club as quickly as possible got us nowhere, the club has been built up slowly over the past 4 years and just needs a kick up the arse at first team level to get us going again.


Some people have had an agenda from day one, and thats just sad.

goughla Posted on 8/9 20:14
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By the way I'd also add that the match day 'experience' is down to the fans not the football. Make of that what you will.

PaddlingBack Posted on 8/9 20:14
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Everton.

ravsplumber Posted on 8/9 20:14
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Everybody directly involved is responsible. There's no justification for idolizing McClaren just because of the position he held.

Yes, Robbo's last year was definitely touch and go, but he along with Venables did leave us with the vital PL status for SMAC to build upon.

goughla Posted on 8/9 20:16
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Everton put an excellent run of form together, the likes of which I've never seen from us in the top flight. That's something we need to work on in order to move up a couple of places in the league at the end of a season.

I don't tihnk anyone here is making an idol of McClaren, but hey if you want to see it that way go ahead. There's some good things at this club but if you don't want to see them then again, thats very sad.

ravsplumber Posted on 8/9 20:28
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I see many, many good things at the club. I just don't feel that our manager has his full heart into it.

Signing his new Boro contract, quitting England and thereby devoting 100% of his time to our club would be encouraging steps in that direction.

borodavey Posted on 8/9 20:47
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Smac is only wanting that England job, so much so that it takes his priority over the club the pays his wages. And about matchdays down to the the fans, we start off singing and jumping around like always until eventually the managers boring tactics payoff and we all fall asleep and the stadium falls quiet, we have to enjoy ourselves to sing, when we are bored we wont. Its stands to reason exciting teams get a better atmosphere. You mark my word next year attendance will be down again if he is in charge, the club wont move forward anymore without the revenue from season tickets.

Where not stupid to expect entertainment, we wont go down in fact we will probably do better. How many times have we played boring negative football and went a goal down at home in te last year, then woke up and really attacked, we saved a fair few points by doing that but if we started like that we would have won the game. Also why is it Smac never has the tactics right at the start of games, we always play bad then he changes it after 65-70 minutes and we start playing better. We do have th squadd capable of attackin football and getting results, look at the defence of tha robbo team, now we have a 10times better defence plus a great holding midfielder in boatang, no chance we would go down playing attacking football. Infact we would probably do better. After all to win you need shots on target, we go games sometimes without seeing one.

sasboro Posted on 8/9 21:13
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i think its time again to put up smacs league record compared to robsons..i wish i had it saved. There is very little difference in it if i remember correctly. lose on saturday then it's 3 defeats from 1st 5 games and the pressure will be starting to happen.

fatharrywhite Posted on 8/9 21:42
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this thread is unbelievable. we have got, without a shadow a doubt, the WORST supporters in the country. It is unfathomable how uneducated and ungrateful some of you people are.

If i was steve gibson and i read this i would immediately think 'F*** it, why should i spend my time and put money into a club where the fans are complete imbeciles'

i'd like to believe that most of the comments are from sad mackems and jawdees looking to wind people up but the sad truth is they are from so called supporters.

IMO you can all sod off and support man utd and chelsea cos the boro dont need 'fans' like you lot and the riverside would be a darn sight better for you not being there.

Rant over (and i might add, it has taken a lot of restraint to not use the kind of language and insults i'd like to have said cos i dont want to get banned from posting here)

borodavey Posted on 8/9 21:45
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it is simular yeah, the one thing i can say though once fans get on his back and lose faith he wont ever win it back, i reckon he has lost at least half the fans over the last year or so. That probably means his days are numbered cos the number of people who want him out will only increase as more fans turn on him. He has to stop to boring approach, if he does it against at arsenal and we get hammered and we hardly attack they will be uproar even though we are up against a top team.

sasboro Posted on 8/9 21:49
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"If i was steve gibson and i read this i would immediately think 'F*** it, why should i spend my time and put money into a club where the fans are complete imbeciles'"

how about the fans putting in there money aswell?maybe some fans think that about players these days..

get the players giving 100% will get the fans up a gear. and as england struggle it is not helping smac reputation,local and nationally

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borodavey Posted on 8/9 21:53
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Fat harry= Im not stupid, more people dislike him than like him. I can bet i have a far greater knowledge of football than you, Truth is i dont think Mc is that good, im sorry i dont, last season i could predict exactly what he was going to do, no word of a lie but i predicted just about every substitution before it happened, i can read him like a book. we all aappreciate gibbo, we just dont want boring football. as for ungrateful we are all paying out around 1000 a year to follow this team so shut up and let us speak, we do our bit so we want an opinion.

ccole Posted on 8/9 22:34
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"more people dislike him than like him"

Incorrect statement.

Everytime we have had a poll on here (please dont start another) on whether you support McClaren or not, those backing him run at around 75%. Most of the other 25% are from first and last time posters.

Most people on here base there opinions on results and are bored to fook with ramblings of SMAC OUT that we have had for the last three years.

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borodavey Posted on 8/9 22:47
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what does that prove, its a pool of 40 people, its fuuy cos i have asked about 15 mates and all but 1 said they dont like him, you might be suprised but most fans dont use this website, maybe more hardcore fans do who back the manager no matter what. The average blokes on the street and in the stadium are not that much of a fan of his

borodavey Posted on 8/9 22:50
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also if yo listenedto the 3 legends last night before the England game 90% of the callers where complaining about Smac and his tactics, i assure you the numbers not happy with him are higher than who are happy with him

tweedle Posted on 8/9 22:54
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Spot on borodavey - this Board is simply not representative of Boro fans' opinions. By the fact it's a "fanzine" you're going to have more than your fair share of obsessive numpties on here. Take the brainwashed, clueless gimp briggsy and his supercilious cohorot, scoea.

scoea Posted on 8/9 22:59
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And so it descends into name calling. Well done Tweedle.

tweedle Posted on 8/9 23:02
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"supercilious cohort" - ok drop the cohort, otherwise a very accurate description.

Nearly forgot, with absoutely no substance.

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20_Briggsy Posted on 8/9 23:03
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Very mature tweedle.

If it wasnt for the sane minded of us like scoea, gillandi, big_shot, borodrew and the like, I'd have no respect for boro fans.

tweedle Posted on 8/9 23:06
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You have respect for people who shout for and clap anything in red and white briggsy. You knock people (in cliched soundbites) for expressing opinions which contradict your brainwashed, second hand ideals.

20_Briggsy Posted on 8/9 23:10
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Night tweedle

Keep away from sharp objects.

red_rebel Posted on 8/9 23:18
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Soem peopel have been saying "he's taken us as far as we can go" for four years.

One day it will be true but you hav egot to question their judgement in getting it wrong from day one and sticking to that wrong opinion so doggedly and so long.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

borodavey Posted on 8/9 23:33
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i feel i was reasonable, i gave him 3 and a half seasons to start entertaining which is more than enough time to built a team to do that but he hasnt so now i hae had enough, as have most the fans other than maybe 60% from on here. But i bet most of yu lot still supported Robson till the end, I said at the start of the season it all went wrong he should have went and was later proved right.

You can just tell when the team are not playing together, when they very incosistant. We hav only won a handful of games since Christmas, if the season started from then we would be bottom 5 at least. Thats appaling with or without injuries cos whave some quality young players he wouldnt play prefering the same boring option of playing 3 holding midfielders in parlour, doriva, Boatang at th end of the season, even at home. why play like the away side all the time. Since he aadopted it he has got worse and worse for doing it

red_rebel Posted on 8/9 23:47
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I don't have a problem with people who make an objective decision based on tactics/politics/results after weighing it up against realistic expectations.

But I do have a problem with people who made a bad decision four years ago on flimsy subjective grounds and who are now rubbing their hands with glee and gloating that they "were right along".

No, you weren't right all along. And you have missed out on fully enjoying the greatest spell in the club's history because you were too busy putting Cardiff and Europe down to luck or the other teams playing badly. Anything rather than giving credit where it is due.

tees_tug Posted on 9/9 0:04
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I dedicate this thread to Yarm_Legend, to whom it would have belonged, if he had not been 'disposed' by the very admin who have hijacked his words.








Thanks Rebel, you are my guardian angel man.

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red_rebel Posted on 9/9 0:07
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I'll edit that bit out and keep them guessing.

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outmac Posted on 9/9 0:08
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this must be worrying for steve gibson.offering mclaren a four year deal and crowds are dropping and fans calling for his head.
going to the match is a chore for lots of folks now as
the football is bland.carling cup/yes,but what happened when we
had to defend it,reserves at liverpool and out.how much longer is he going to bore us.talking about robbo we were 2 minutes from our first cup and a sh..e decision sent us down.that was entertainment in the league and cup run,much better than this kak
at present.go to england mclaren ,you deserve each other,we want a manager to put a spring in peoples step again and make us want to go to the match and yes be entertained.watch the crowd for next weeks uefa cup game,that will be a good yardstick.
i for one hopes he dosent sign the contract and rides off with
beswick and round into the sunset.
ps,why didnt we go for kenny miller,2 million,a snip.

Fischer Posted on 9/9 0:15
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I'd ljust ike to pick up on this...

"we used to be everyones second favourite team to watch in 96-97 and everyone used to say that"

I don't think that's the case at all. I think the overwhelming opinion amongst the media and fans of other clubs was that we'd become too big for our boots, tried to buy instant success, and got exactly what we deserved. I remember us being hated that season, and Boro fans having to adopt a real seige mentality.

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info_freako Posted on 9/9 0:21
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Here's a contraversial twist :-

The football's (generally) crap

The tactics are (generally) Robson-esque

The talent is probably the best I've seen at the Boro

But who the Feck is available to take over from McLaren?

It sticks in my throat to say it, but better the devil you know (and we perhaps don't choke i the big games much any more, only the "insignificant" ones that we should really muller).

I'd rather see entertaining footy, but if we win every other game 1-0 and draw the rest, you will NOT find me complaining as Gareth lofts the Premiership trophy (great dreams, but a cup was a couple of years ago...

borodavey Posted on 9/9 0:25
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I remember everyone saying we where great to watch and one of the best attacking teams in the country, maybe opinion was mixed. I just wanna say i did give smac a chance, i was never a fan from a few games in when we had a bad start but though he deserves a chance. after th carling cup i really though excellent this will be th spring board, i got all excited about europe but then i saw us play like that for long spells of last season and especially from christmas and my patience just snapped. Im not oneof these who will chant for anybodies head, i think stability is important in a club but in this case i think we will plummet if he stays. sorry to all those who wanna kiss his big white bum, its my opinion he should go now while he might be remembered by some as a decent manager, any longer he will run the risk of forever being tarnished as a boring poor manager, that will do his england credentials no good will it

Fischer Posted on 9/9 0:34
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I think a manager should stay at a club so long as he can justifiably say he's still making progress at that club.

And as it's only four games since we achieved our highest ever Premiership finish and qualified for Europe through the league for the first time in our history...

MyBoro Posted on 9/9 0:50
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I think the time has come to move on. Borodavey seems to echo most of what I and most others I speak to think.

If he wants to keep the job he needs to get them playing at home. Did you know that last year Southampton (finished bottom) scored more goals at home than the 4th highest scorers in the league.

The football should be much better with the players we have.

karembeu_ca Posted on 9/9 0:52
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borodavey, you, and everyone else, goes on about "after xmas" - no kidding, we had possibly the worst injury crisis in Prem history, and SHOCK, HORROR, our play suffered. Which part of that do people not get the connection between???

I swear many on here think he would have played those same players and the same tactics with a fully fit squad. It beggars belief.

borodavey Posted on 9/9 1:01
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yeah we did have injuries, most from training which begs the question why? cos he signed old players more prone to knocks or cos the training we are doing has serious flaws, no other team gets so many training ground injuries. He is obviously working them too hard in training to get so many or they are not warming up right. But injuries or not we still should not have been that poor. For the last 2 month we didnt have many and yet we where still awful. Its no excuse, he could have strenghened more in january but didnt, even a few loans would do but he said the squad was strong enough to cope. It wasnt. His call

mowbrays_number_4 Posted on 9/9 1:05
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i won't list the young players who were injured then.


sack the manager after 4 games,only 1 of which was terrible?

and how much time does the next guy get,and by the way,he must improve on macs record right!

little_knotty Posted on 9/9 1:05
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look at the post titled

have a word...

mowbrays_number_4 Posted on 9/9 1:08
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borodavey.

newcastle away-good draw 1 point
liverpool away-good draw 1 point
bolton away-good draw 1 point
palace away-good win 3 points
man city away-good draw 1 point
west brom home-good win 3 points
spurs home-good win 3 points.

these were some of the end of season games i remember off the top of my head,yet you said we were awful for the last 2 months.

how do you work that one out?

borodavey Posted on 9/9 1:10
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the new manager should entertain, but to be honest charlton was terrible, LIVERPOOL was very negative and we where lucky not to be beat 6-0 an would have if gerrard could finish and first half at spurs was poor, plus almost every game from christmas was poor and negative, like i say from Chritmas on form we would be bottom 5, thats not good enough injuries or not. Its as simple as that, with injuries we hve a better squad than west brom etc yet thy have picked up more points since, its a disgrace.

borodavey Posted on 9/9 1:16
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ok which out of them did we play well and entertain, errr None, not one of those games we played well, west brom they where better, man city 1 shot on target, Liverpool pretty much the same, Tottenham again didnt play well, Bolton awful and very lucky, Newcastle very ngative and again barely a shot. I reckon if you add those games up i dont think we will have 20 shots on target in all of them put together, that is awful and thats why the fans are walking away.

mowbrays_number_4 Posted on 9/9 1:21
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look back at the results.
a team decimated clawed and fought its way into europe and now 4 games later you want to change the maanger.the game against liverpool wasn't the best but they had a much sharper edge to thei game and the fact that gerrard couldn't finish is not down to anyone but him.we hung on for the draw and i was fully appreciative of that.at spurs both teams were fairly even 1st half,schwarzer hung onto the ball for the dying secdonds of the game which urged the spurs fans to sing boring boring boro,which you mentioned in an earlier reply.

second half against spurs we created the better chances and spurned them all,plus schwarzer had a mare for both goals.the spurs fans i spoke to after the game were very grateful of the points.birmingham was a great team performance,one which sparked some knee jerkers on here to predict a CL spot finish for us.5 days later we were terrible,then those same people,plus a few more professional mac knockers (never liked him,never will) predicted doom.


i'm never amazed on here.

borodavey Posted on 9/9 1:33
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we did scrape into europe, maybe i am being silly but i think its his fault alot of players got injured,he does the training and somethin must be wrong there, he has had 4 yr and still hasnt started entertaining, he is still trying to play players out of position when he doesnt need to like Nemeth on the right.He is not that good a manager, i expect more for the 1000 a year i pay out to follow the team, europe or not, whats the point if th games are not entertaining, we didnt win anything last year so we put up with boring football got into europe which means we pay out more again to watch even more boring games, i like the thought of europe but first he needs to find away to entertain or europe or not the fans will stop turning out and already are. Get the guy out please gibbo before next season cos i really dread to tink, if we dont get in europe and play like this all season we wont selll more than 15000 season tickets next year and will have to get used to 20000 crowds.

OverTheTopAussie Posted on 9/9 5:30
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"Southampton (finished bottom) scored more goals at home" plus the multiple references (almost whispered in awe) to our action packed relegation year.

I find it hard to believe that some fans would prefer one season of attacking football leading to relegation rather than a solid season of mostly unspectacular games leading to success.

And the response of entertainment plus winning always prompts a mention of Chelski, ManUre and the Arsenil. All teams with big bucks and/or massive supporter base. Compare us instead to teams that are a reasonable comparison - Charlton, Bolton - I think we campare favourably.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 9/9 6:47
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BoroDavey, you claim to know about football, to know every move Mac is going to make, you make massive sacrifices to watch the side and you're a cripple. You have 15 mates and only one wants Mac to stay.

Well here this. I know more about football than you'll ever know, I have made more sacrifices than you will ver make to watch the Boro and I have 30 Boro supporting mates who all want Mac to stay. Odd is it sounds, it's all true.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 9/9 7:12
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The truth is:

1) Mac took over a club in a bad state, relegation threatened, rubbish ageing players, massive wage bill and a waning fan base.
2) He got trimmed the average age, reduced the wage bill and gained us 42pts.
2) The following season looked promising with great signings like Boateng, Juninho, Geremi and a gamble on Maccarone. After losing Juninho, a promising start faded with poor away results but a great and very exciting home record.
3) With Juninho back our form dipped and meandered but we won the Carling cup and qualified for Europe for the first time ever.
4) A brilliant first half of the season saw us in a Champions league spot, doing brilliantly in Europe and everyone happy.
5) Cue a succession of disasterous injuries which ravaged our season. Mac rallied his team though to the clubs highest ever finish, top of the North East tree and European football, again! 4th highest scoreres in the Premiership despite losing our top signing for 3/4 of the season. Crowds on the increase for the 3rd season running! Half a dozen excellent youngsters brought through by McClaren.
6) Poor season ticket sales due to no early season transfer market breakthrough. A draw with the European Champions followed by the first win at Birmingham for over 20 years. 1 poor defeat against Charlton.

Go to Greece and ask them if they would swap the joy of their hard earned European Championship win for some more kick ups and a few more step overs. Ask Chelsea fans if they would sacrifice their Championship title to be as entertaining as Arsenal.

The fact is to achieve success you get the basics right and go from there. We've built our platform but the hardest thing is pushing on to the next level.

To RAZMOND, BoroDavey, MAIK, Paddling back and Rav's plumber have some perspective. We've played three games and only had one defeat, we've signed 4 new players who won't bed in immediately, we have 2 others back from long term injury and we have European football to look forward to. Try and enjoy Saturdays game for a change, put a smile on your faces and cheer the boys on to a victory.

1985 - 3rd Division, 5,000 crowds and no ground.
2005 - Premiership and UEFA cup, a team full of internationals, 30,000 fans in an excellent stadium.

Mac makes mistakes, he's sometimes overly cautious, especially against the better teams, he has a tendency to hold his youngsters back but the progress is absolutely unquestionable. If you cannot see that then you are complete and utter bufoons.

ravsplumber Posted on 9/9 8:04
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I am not a buffoon. My problem with McClaren centres about his commitment to my club over his other dallyings. He's not very successful with either at the moment and it's high time he devoted all his attentions here fullstop. Why has he not signed his new contract which he's had in his hands for months? Which other PL clubs would allow their manager such a part-time pastime? Why have we lacked pace in our midfield for so long? Why do we get so many injuries? Why aren't we more successful in the transfer windows? Why are attendances falling? Why do we always start matches defensively? Why don't we utilize our width? Why when our player is double-teamed can't we exploit the offsetting weakness? Why do we play players out of position? Why do we generally play poorly on Sundays? Has he taken us as far as he can?

Buddy Posted on 9/9 8:33
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Bloody hell. It's like batting with a runner!

MrAngryInKuwait Posted on 9/9 8:43
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Lisbon, my perspective is fine. I'm not just looking at the four games we've played. I'm looking at all the games we've played this year in the Prem, and the very small number we've won. Our poor form goes back a lot further than just these four games.

Yes we had injuries last season, and those injuries seem to be continuing this season as well. We don't seem to be able to control them, either through good medical care, or training methods, so we have to learn to live with them. That means having strength in depth, and not being afraid to play the reserves when a first team member is out through injury. I don't like to see players out of position, as it leaves the team unbalanced. No good having reserves if you're too frightened to play them.

I don't like to see the home team playing like an away team, and being frightened into submission before the game has kicked off. Far too often, we just sit back and put eleven men behind the ball. We don't seriously compete for the midfield. Players we have there are too old, too slow, and too ineffective. We've been crying out for a playmaker ever since Juninho was released. Short term signings of Karembeau, Geremi and Zenden were only stopgaps. The problem hasn't gone away, and I sincerely hope Rochemback is the player we all hope he is.

We need to make the opposition fear us, not the other way around, and the only way we will do this is to attack the barstewards. Fight and control the midfield, and get at the opposition defence, instead of sitting back and inviting them to attack us.

Vince_Noir Posted on 9/9 9:09
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MAIK, would this be the Karembeu that was signed by Robson and didn't play under McLaren?

Tillerman93 Posted on 9/9 9:17
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Too early, too rash and too damned stubborn headed.

McClaren to stay and see the campaign thru, he got us there, only fair for him and his backroom staff to carry on.

Buggerlugs Posted on 9/9 9:22
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"we're over populated with fickle fans who have came from no where"

"If it wasnt for the sane minded of us like scoea, gillandi, big_shot, borodrew and the like, I'd have no respect for boro fans"

Briggsy - No wonder you get on people's tits. You really can be a superscillious and pious little twit especially considering that your own crudentials as self appointed superfan are particularly questionable.

I think it's ludicrous to suggest it would be utterly disasterous for the club if McClaren was to go. He's done reasonably well but it would be no big deal if he went. Steve Gibson could attract any number of good managers here, most of whom would be equipped to do an equally good if not better job than McClaren, considering the players and backing he has at his disposal. Like I say I have no desire to see him sacked, he's doing fine but lets not over egg the pudding and pretend he has shown himself to be some sort of footballing mastermind because he hasn't.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 9/9 9:36
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It's nice to know you're not a bufoon Rav.

Mac has commited himself to teh club, they are finalising contract dealings as we speak. Gibson feels there's no rush so that's good enough for me. I couldn't give a toss whether Mac's with England or not as long as Boro are doing the business.

Pace in midfield is a valid point. Mac knows the problem is there and is trying to solve it, good wingers don't grow on trees unfortunately and the delay has allowed Morrison, Downing and hopefully Johnson an opportunity to prove their worth so there is a positive side aswell. The transfer window hinders our progress which it wouldn't have in the past.

Injuries? Who knows, I don't think you can blame Mac for them though. Liverpool had the same problem. We had several leg breaks, cruciates, etc. Not repetitive strain injuries or overuse injuries.

Transfer market. As much as would like to think we are a big draw we actually aren't. The best players don't think of Middlesbrough as their number 1 destination, we have to pay over the odds on wages or try and be patient.

Attendances were actually up last year even though season ticket sales were down this year. People know they can pick and choose their games wereas in teh past this wasn't the case.

I don't think we do start games defensively, I think the opposition just defend in numbers so it's very difficult to breakdown. When Downing and Morrison are on the flanks we do utilise our width but injuries have slowed our progress in this department recently. A feature of last season was Quedrue and Downing on the left flank, they worked brilliantly together for the most part.

Who has double teamed us and who are we playing out of position?

Sundays - That's a good point. Last season I would say our injury hit squad and Uefa cup football was the problem for our sunday games. We lacked spark in the majority. There are no reasons for the Charlton game that I can think of.

I certainly don't believe he's taken us as far as he can. We definitely have weaknesses. One was filled by Rocchemback, the other was our right flank til Downing got injured and now it's both flanks. That is of course unless Johnson and Morrison can come in and do the business.

Our weaknesses are pace down the flanks, limited numbers in midfield and an ageing central defensive pairing. I think McClaren knows this and will do something about it.

The other problem we have is a lack of patience and knowledge from our supporters. Our fanbase mushroomed when the Premiership started but is probably getting back to it's realistic level. Very similar to what happened to Sunderland and several other clubs.

Is it fahionable to moan? It appears it is. There is a definite clique forming who like a good old moan at anything and everything. England lose a game and suddenly we have to get rid of Mac, nothing at all to do with the work he's done at the club, just another opportunity to have a whinge. Whingeing is teh new fashion and it stinks.

scoea Posted on 9/9 10:06
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I feel sorry for those Boro fans that have endured the history of our club and can't enjoy this era of success that we are in.

BossHogg Posted on 9/9 10:15
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I've been a season ticket holder since 1984 and the apathy I feel right now disturbs me. The football, IMO, is poor, and that is the biggest problem facing MFC right now.

People cannot be expected to simply hand over 30 - 45 for games with no guarantee of half decent football, not neccessarily a win, but decent football.

The cost of the game has spiralled way, way, way beyond inflation and the need to be entertained has therefore increased, otherwise value for money is not achieved and people walk away, and they may never return..

scoea Posted on 9/9 10:18
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BossHogg - I have thought for some time that your issues/problems with Boro are not because of or restricted to Boro per se. Is it the case that your apathy is a reflection of the dwindling interest in football generally that has been largely the responsibility of Sky.

I say that because even though our football is currently vastly superior the experience of football is not quite the same as it was at Ayresome Park.

Or am I just being nostalgic?

pellethead Posted on 9/9 10:28
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Keep Smac, sack the fans! There are several reasons for this:

They are obviously overpaid, lazy idle gets. Never seen the lower divisions and can't be arsed to put any effort into what they are there for which is to SUPPORT.
They are massively underperforming in their main role of motivating the team. Other teams have fans who don't have the multi-million pound stars at their disposal yet can still out-motivate ours with their hands tied.
Let them go support England instead if thats what they want to do.
They put off genuine 'would die for the boro' fans, and i would take one of them for 100 of the whinge-meisters.
They are complete tactical goons. No clue whatsoever, bud sadly they think the opposite.
They don't try.

It would make sense, sure we might struggle for a season or so but in the long run we are better off rid.

borodavey Posted on 9/9 10:32
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you cant play with 2 holding midfielder players which mac want to do all the time, especially at home, we set out like the away team, name a game since christmas we took the game to someone at the riverside. Injuries cant be to blame for everything, we had a chance to bring in players in january. its a fact that we play negative boring football and lisbon i really dont think you know as much about football as you think.

i reckon smac will either go with a 451 or most probaly a 532 tomorrow. i think that will be negative and think it will give arsenal a licence to attack down the wings where they dangerous, i would love to be wrong and for him to go out thre with Morrison and Johnson on the wings and have a go. Fans dont mind if we lose the game as long as we put on a show but the fact is we dont put on a show very often. That means the fans come away going we played negative and got what we deserved, at least if we had ago they would come away saying we played well but got nothing from the game. Fans wouldnt be getting on smac's back as much then.the charlton match proves my point a poor atteddance and then all the booing at the game from half the stadium, those are the people who has had enough of this brand of football and i think they out numbered those who are happy wih it.

scoea Posted on 9/9 10:37
re: So we're all agreed McClaren should go th

Didn't Zenden and Boateng play central midfield all last season?
And didn't McClaren buy Rochemback to replace Zenden as an attacking central midfielder?

borodavey Posted on 9/9 10:45
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pellet head you muppet, either way we would get what we want, if we didnt go there would be 10-12000 at the game, then we couldnt pay smac wages and he would quit.

Secondly its the team that need to entertain and that will make the fans sing, we wont sing when we are bored out of our minds.

A tactical goon is someone who tries to fit players around the system like smac. Who plays people out of position constantly.What hye should do is pick the players then the system to suit.

We like to see england do well but prefer to see the club do better, and i put my money where my mouth is and will have spend over 20 grand following the boro, through the divisions, in europe, all the cup finals etc so i think i am entitled to an opinion.

i keep asking the question but nobody can answer it, why should we be happy with the way we are playing. Is football not to entertain. yes it is. why shoul be be happy with smac then. cos he got us in europe where we have to watch more unentertaining games and pay out more for he privelageOk let me ask you a question,

If you seen the worst film of all time but it was your favourite actor in it would you buy it for 20 quid, i would guess not so why should we be happy with watching this and why should we pay to see it. I do go week in week out but i dont support the manager i support the boro. Unfortunately i think he is ruining the games.

borodavey Posted on 9/9 10:49
re: So we're all agreed McClaren should go th

No Zenden started on the left, then at the end of the season he moved zenden left to accomodate doriva, parlour and boatang when smac dropped downing

Also Parlour even on the right was a holding midfielder, he was barely around the opposition box and hardly put in a cross, he also kept coming into the middle. He was more a right sided midfeilder than a winger.

Buddy Posted on 9/9 10:50
re: So we're all agreed McClaren should go th

" not neccessarily a win, but decent football"

That's perhaps the difference Boss. It's the other way round for me.

BossHogg Posted on 9/9 10:50
re: So we're all agreed McClaren should go th

Scoea, perhaps nostalia has it's part to play in how I'm feeling, maybe Ayresome was my era and the Riverside is for a new generation , and I'm only 36!!

Football has changed so much in the last 15 years, and I fear not for the better.

People say the quality is better, but in 1990 England were penalties away from only our second world cup final and now we make the quarters, but lack the passion and belief to progress further.

The new plastic stadiums are a huge improvement, facilities wise, but the atmosphere's around the country are nothing like 15 years.

"The big three" are streets ahead of the rest and too many teams play 'not to lose' as opposed to trying to win!, attrition football as I call it!

I think the "what has happened to the beautiful game', thread has a lot of answers within it!!

BossHogg Posted on 9/9 10:53
re: So we're all agreed McClaren should go th

Buddy, the point I was trying to make was that when you pay 30-45 for a match you cannot guarantee a win, but you should expect a decent level of football win, lose or draw!

sasboro Posted on 9/9 10:59
re: So we're all agreed McClaren should go th

it's a balance between wanting to win and wanting to entertain. unless you win a trophy the fans will soon get bored with the lack of entertainment. you have to entertain to a certain extent, who wants to watch a game where you win 1-0 after taking the lead in the 29th minute and shut up shop for 60 minutes?in the short term it is fine but in the long term it bores the fans turns them off.

borodavey Posted on 9/9 10:59
re: So we're all agreed McClaren should go th

i agree bosshogg, and long gone are the days the bottom club can beat the top team on any given day, what chance to teams like sunderland have of beating chelsea.

Football is dying cos of the dont lose tactics. Its worse when teams with talented forward players like us are affraid to take the game to the opposition for the risk it leaves a hole at the back, football has got gradually more defensive, it started off with the Pyramid(2-3-5 formation) which went through the 50's, then came the 4-2-4, then came the 4-4-2 before now it seems to be the 4-5-1, can anyone see the pattern there, soon we will be seeing 8-0-2. But then smac is close to that already.lol.

green_beret20 Posted on 9/9 10:59
re: So we're all agreed McClaren should go th

Well theres goes any competitiveness in the game of football then Buddy, the very reason why it became any sort of a popular sport in the first place, the very reason why it was even invented.

Hell, next game against Arsenal lets toatally disregard the roots of football and just stack eleven men on the goal line because as long as we get a point it will be fine.

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pellethead Posted on 9/9 11:06
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borodavey - I was just wording it in the same way that people word their smac criticisms.

If you went to watch a film being made and booed the actor the film would end up being crap. If your son was playing in a footie match would you boo him if he made a mistake or would you try to encourage him? And if you did encourage him don't you think he would play better football, whatever the formation. He is only human after all and it wouldn't matter if he was paid 50,000 a week to play for his school team what effect that would have.

Just seems to me that our fans are now an embarassment. First chance they get to get on the players backs they take it with both hands. And on this messageboard too. Puts me off both tbh.

borodavey Posted on 9/9 11:10
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yeah i totally agree, the point i have been trying to make, its an entertainment game first and foremost, why else follow a proffesional team, cos they have better players,Otherwise we might as well go and watch stockton or billingham. we want to be entertainedthat is the whole point, winning when we play awful is a consolation, i pay out my money for an afternoon of entertainment, fans who think otherwise are nothing more than sad stat geeks.

sasboro Posted on 9/9 11:14
re: So we're all agreed McClaren should go th

if it's just about winning then we might aswell pack in and all go home. cos currently apart from chelsea,manutd,arsenal it is very difficult for anyother team to win a trophy in england

boringbillog Posted on 9/9 11:15
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There's not a lot of entertainment value if Mac decides to defend now Downing's out. He's got the room for another defensive midfielder there now. How about trying Parnaby there Mac? Parno-Doriva-Boat-Parlour. Entertainment?? Yer kidding.

borodavey Posted on 9/9 11:16
re: So we're all agreed McClaren should go th

pellet- i agree there is a time and place for booing, i think the fans dont blame the players, we know they are good players. We see the problem as the management and safety first attitude. but the fact is the players need to give us something to cheer about, we dont pay a grand a year to see junior football teams. The players seem as frustrated as the fans i think, they want to show what they can do, did anyone see yak kick the ball away in frustration during the charlton game cos he had no support.

outmac Posted on 9/9 11:38
re: So we're all agreed McClaren should go then?

send for mogga,hes got an average team playing out of their
skins.mclaren for england,please.

borodavey Posted on 9/9 11:48
re: So we're all agreed McClaren should go then?

mogga seems to be the popular choice outmac,

boringbillog Posted on 9/9 11:56
re: So we're all agreed McClaren should go then?

I agree with Mogga, no complaints on that one. I don't think England will beat either Autria or Poland.

scoea Posted on 9/9 11:59
re: So we're all agreed McClaren should go th

For one reason - he is a Boro legend. Thankfully, Gibson won't let that cloud the fact that he has achieved very little.

BossHogg Posted on 9/9 12:04
re: So we're all agreed McClaren should go th

I'm playing devils advocate, but what had Robson or McClaren achieved as managers before becoming Boro boss. Mogga would actually be more experienced as a manager..

Fischer Posted on 9/9 12:10
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I imagine Steve McClaren, like most football managers, feels no duty whatsoever to provide entertainment. His job is to provide results, and he can point at his record at Boro compared to the club's 128 year history prior to his appointment to completely justify himself in that respect.

I can totally understand why fans would feel aggrieved at handing over 30 a game given that situation, but I don't see it as a stick to beat Steve McClaren with. I imagine the objectives he was handed at the start of his tenure at Boro were a) win a trophy and b) get us into Europe and he's delivered on both fronts within three years.

BossHogg Posted on 9/9 12:20
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"he can point at his record at Boro compared to the club's 128 year history prior to his appointment to completely justify himself in that respect"

Boro apart from Bryan Robson, no other Boro manager has had the relative funding Mr Mac has had, so i'm not sure the records can be compared!

Fischer Posted on 9/9 12:26
re: So we're all agreed McClaren should go th

I'm not so sure. We smashed the record transfer fee payout as early as 1905!

(And finished 18th... Andy Aitken OUT!!!!)

borodavey Posted on 9/9 12:41
re: So we're all agreed McClaren should go th

it would be great to get Mogga and his no 2 who is also a boro lad. I think the fans would back him all the way.

Fischer Posted on 9/9 12:43
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For a year. Then if we hadn't qualified for the Champions League they'd start getting all misty eyed about the McClaren era when we won cups and played in Europe.

borodavey Posted on 9/9 12:46
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it is his duty to play a team that will entertain. its the name of the game. if you want results you can watch anyone for less, go to darlo, the will do well. If you wantto be entertained you pay out more to watch a premiership team with better players. it was demanded when he came, i seem to remember his forst interview when he said he likes teams to play good attacking football. How things have changed. it doesnt matter that we are in europe if we are not entertaining people wont turn up.

sasboro Posted on 9/9 12:47
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time wil tell this time next year when there will probably be another 10% drop in season ticket sales

borodavey Posted on 9/9 12:49
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i disagree, if he came in and made the team play with passion and has ambitions for his teams to shoot the fans would be happy. He has already after 1 season proven he can be a good manager, hibs where favourite to go down, he got them into europe.

scoea Posted on 9/9 13:20
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Notwithstanding the fact that I believe McClarne being portrayed as a negative coach is a myth, surely the fact that we score more goals than most, get more points than most and have won a trophy and qualified for Europe twice is entertaining?

borodavey Posted on 9/9 13:31
re: So we're all agreed McClaren should go th

see thats what i mean about stats geeks liking him, look at the stats, how many shots have we averged on target per game since christmas, i bet its not more than 3. we scored a massive bulk of those goals before christmas last year, how many have we scored since..... Another thing is i would say many of those goals came in games against the run of play cos we whereplaying negative football like villa and west brom there is 7 goals and we where dire in those games, even match of the day said i havent seen such a one sided game that the team who dominated lost so heavily. (thats after th villa game. we where woeful. Make up you owwn mind, do you thinks its exciting to watch, i think most answer no.

skiprat Posted on 9/9 13:33
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Borodavey, seeing as you sound like you don't have much of an affiliation with Boro and more of an attitude of wanting to go and see some entertaining football, why not go down South and watch Arsenal at home each fortnight?

If not, can you please point out to me a time in Middlesbrough's recent history when we have played an entertaining game each week?

I wouldn't mind you finding a few players that play for entertainment purposes only and not for the fact that they want to win things as well.

Cheers

borodavey Posted on 9/9 13:42
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like i keep said i have been season ticket holder longer than most. I was here boro smac which i think some of his fans only came on board when we got intothe premier league. I have a right to demand to be entertained, its the name of the game, i dont want it every game, i just want to come away and say our team had a right go today.

90% of he time Smac sets out not to give anything away in the first half, after that its hard for the players to pick up the pace and it takes the pressure off the oppsosistion but most importantly, it bores the fans, if you want results go and watch chelsea cos we are unlikely to win anything. the only thing we can offer our fans for there money is entertainment and where not getting it. Hence why so many are on his back, we know where not going to win the league or Fa cup, probably not the league cup or uefa, so instead WE NEED TO BE ENTERTANED.

skiprat Posted on 9/9 13:49
re: So we're all agreed McClaren should go th

I mentioned the West Brom game on here yesterday. If we come away from a game, where both teams have gone for it and we win 4-0, how can you fail to be entertained by that?

Teams do not "go for it" in every game and for 90 minutes each game, that is a fact of life and that it also why even teams like Man U and Chelsea have their off day, like we did at Charlton.

I think it's a massive nightmare that we've had this long break after the Charlton game, because if we had a game on the following Wednesday and won it well, or gave it a go like I think we will against Arsenal, then we wouldn't have had a load of the posts that have been up on the board for the last two weeks. The disgraceful showing against Charlton is sticking in the memory or too long because we've had nothing else to do but dwell on it for two weeks.

skiprat Posted on 9/9 14:05
re: So we're all agreed McClaren should go th

I think Im going to look round the stadium now anyway when we score to see people cursing when we score.

OH NO!! How dare we score in such a situation, the other team are playing much better than us and we dont deserve this goal. Why could we not have a stunning 20 pass move resulting in a lovely 40 yard strike from Hasselbaink. CURSE YOU BORO TEAM

borodavey Posted on 9/9 14:09
re: So we're all agreed McClaren should go th

we didnt have a go against west brom we hit on the break like the away team and hardly had a shot other than the goals. I think most fans had enough long before Charlton but that game was just the final straw, smac heart is not it this job, he has gone more and more defensive cos he doesnt want losses cos that would look bad for his england prospects. he has had one eye on that job since he took over but the last year has seen him have both eyes on it. Is it to much to ask to have a manager who's priority is the team he is actually managing. someone who will tell the team to go out and play with passion. You can see him shouting on the sidelines when the midfield passhalf way telling them to get back. Its too late for him now, the fans against him will never get back on his side, he will just lose more fans until eventually he goes, dont be suprised if he is England manager by Novemebr anyway.

BossHogg Posted on 9/9 14:11
re: So we're all agreed McClaren should go th

That would be 20 square passes on the back 8 and then a short forward pass, from Rocky, to JFH, who was so pissed off with the service he was getting that he belted it from 40 yards much to Mr Mac's horror!!


skiprat Posted on 9/9 14:14
re: So we're all agreed McClaren should go th

"You can see him shouting on the sidelines when the midfield passhalf way telling them to get back."

I respect your opinionsin this post Davey, but that is utter bullsheet mate. If he was that way inclined, then why was he urging the crowd to get behind the players and trying to spur us on when we played Livrpool.

(An act of passion that also got criticsm on here!!) The man can do no right.

borodavey Posted on 9/9 14:20
re: So we're all agreed McClaren should go th

aganst liverpool. Yeah im proved wrong there like.

Oh wait, liverpool, how many shots did we have, errrr none on target. yeah he did well then telling them to attack.

Sorry but he was trying to fire the crowd up so the players get a foot in, he wasnt interested in attacking them, the end showed that wasting a corner. he played for a draw pure an simple. we had no intention of attacking in that game, if wycombe played liverpool and attacked they would have shots on target so why not us. cos we didnt want to attack, simple as that.

scoea Posted on 9/9 14:23
re: So we're all agreed McClaren should go th

This thread simply highlights the entrenched and unwithering opinion that some have developed against McClaren. With only a few exceptions people are posting on here with no reference to facts only to a prejudiced preconceived opinion that is so set in stone that it will never be altered. Put simply they have never and will never appreciate McClaren no matter what he does.

And that is sad.

skiprat Posted on 9/9 14:24
re: So we're all agreed McClaren should go th

Please explain this if I'm wrong, but you actually believe that he tells his players NOTto have a chance on goal? NOT to take any shots at all and to NOT score any goals?

sasboro Posted on 9/9 14:29
re: So we're all agreed McClaren should go th

it's been a while since we played breath taking tremendous football

borodavey Posted on 9/9 14:30
re: So we're all agreed McClaren should go th

No i think he tells them to sit deep and bot give anything away, which restircts usto very few effofts on goal ourselves, it stands to reason if we try to restrict the oppositions game we restrict our own game at the same time. Which even you as a smac lover would have to agree, we have very few shots at goal in games in the last 6 month

skiprat Posted on 9/9 14:37
re: So we're all agreed McClaren should go th

Apart from just 2 weeks ago at Birmingham Sas yeah.


Davey, why is it that if I do not agree with what you are saying, then I am a McClaren lover? Believe me I'm far from it, I can see the flaws in his game, I also know that he's not perfect and at times he makes mistakes, but then who is perfect?

The only thing that makes me different in my viewpoint is that I can also see what is going on at the club which is a good, a thing that I'm sad to say the majority of people in your own camp do not. Charlton was a horrendous game and Im sure we wont see anything much worse than that all season. McClaren himself said its the worst hes seen in his 4 years here and taking into account the other 3 games this season, I dont think we have a lot to worry about this season. I just dont agree with the negativity from sections of fans that are bringing down the Boro and bringing down the atmosphere and the general feeling around the stadium, when in actual fact, there isnt too much to be negative about. I can think that someone who is a Sunderland fan can feel like that, but not a Boro fan.

ravsplumber Posted on 9/9 14:43
re: So we're all agreed McClaren should go th

Honestly I don't really give a damn about entertainment value. It's 3 points that I wish for in every match and I certainly don't expect to win them all.

I like all the players who don a Boro top and, apart from my pet peeve of Downing who overly resorts to cutting inside and seldomly sticks in his foot, I rarely complain about their efforts.

Sure we don't have the financial wherewithall of Chelsea but that's the team I'd like to emulate on the pitch. Optimally, we should try for similar results with youth and less investment. I'd like to see McClaren build and operate the club like Mourinho did at Porto and now at Chelsea. That also requires a 100% focus on his part to our club. We don't have to score a lot of goals. A mobile and controlling midfield and backline waiting to exploit our opponent is fine by me.

borodavey Posted on 9/9 14:48
re: So we're all agreed McClaren should go th

stands to reason doesnt it, if we play negative which we have every game for 6 month other than Birmingham(a poor side0 and 2nd half aT spurs, you will get negativity from the fans back. If they entertain the fans will sing and cheer, if we are not negative why does every pundit suddenly say we are, they has been articles on it, its been commented on tv, the fans know it, many have stopped turning out for the games and more will follow. People who dont see our negative tactics must shut they eyes upon entering the stadium, honestly how can you not see it, most would agree he is negative even if they are a fan of his.

borodavey Posted on 9/9 14:52
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go and watch chelsea if you want 3 points, people outside the top 3 and maybe liverpool will not win anything. The best thing we can offer the fans is entertainment, plus there willl be plenty of 3 points at darlo this season watch thems its cheaper. im not a Smac fan, IM A boro fan and want whats best for this club and i keep saying if gates drop cos we are not entertaining we wont be able to strenghen and we will back back at square 1, why cant you lot see that, its a long road to the top but a quick drop back down.

Wooper_Trooper Posted on 9/9 14:53
re: So we're all agreed McClaren should go th

Yep.

ravsplumber Posted on 9/9 14:57
re: So we're all agreed McClaren should go th

I've been a Boro supporter since 1952. I don't want to support Chelsea. I just admire their playing style.

Your demand for "entertainment" is wearing thin. Give it a rest!

sasboro Posted on 9/9 14:59
re: So we're all agreed McClaren should go th

peopel want to be entertained. just look at the season ticket sell out when we signed juninho. people wil pay to see skill and flair

ravsplumber Posted on 9/9 15:15
re: So we're all agreed McClaren should go th

There'd be room for another Juninho. There's plenty of skill, flair, season tickets, trophies at Chelsea.

borodavey Posted on 9/9 15:26
re: So we're all agreed McClaren should go th

come on its the same in every sport, you wont watch it if its not entertaining, the whole reason everyone got into football in the first place is cos they found it entertaining, its what football is founded on, and then most recently they labelled the premier league as the most entertaining league in the world. Thats what fans want to see, im a football fan and a boro fan and i want to see entertainment.

It is the same with every sport. In boxing who would you rather see in fight, Ricky hatton or howard eastman, i reckon 99% would say hatton cos he is exciting, yet eastman is a great fighter but is more calculated and less exciting(other than his hair and beard). Its the samething here, we had more season ticket holders a few year ago than now, yet we are in europe, so how important is winning compared to excitment? i think the fans have answered that.

BossHogg Posted on 9/9 15:27
re: So we're all agreed McClaren should go th

Like it or loathe it, what Sas says it true.

Juninho was a player who excited the fans, the buzz of expectation when he got the ball, or when Emmo had it 30 yards out, shooooot, Merson with his vision and his goals, even HIggy with his runs from midfield!

A defensive midfield means a defensive team, but hopefully Rocky will help to change the mentally of the team to a more positve one!!

Entertainment is what the vast majority of fans need/expect when they pay 350-550 for a season ticket, otherwise they drift away, like 2500 have this year!! and without entertainment the pick-and-choose fan won't bother turning up either!!

skiprat Posted on 9/9 15:29
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I love it how when we DO actually play entertaining, it's seen as because the other team is rubbish!!

How possibly can McClaren win in such a situation with fans?!

I pasted this earlier, and it's relevant again, this is games where I feel we have played well and been entertaining. I'll also add the 2-2 Charlton game from the Riverside last seaon oto this list...

This season

Birmingham away 3 0

Last Season

West Brom home 4 0
Tottenham home 1 0
Norwich City home 2 0
Partizan Belgrade home 3 0
Man City home 3 2
Liverpool home 2 0
Lazio home 2 0
Charlton away 2 1
Blackburn away 4 0
Man U away 1 1
Fulham away 2 - 0

What MORE do you want?!!!!!??????!!!

pellethead Posted on 9/9 15:32
re: So we're all agreed McClaren should go th

It has to be said that Morinho will play negative football if it makes sense and try and squeak a result.

And we played fantastically entertaining football under Robson but people wanted him out because we went down or we weren't high enough in the league. And he cared what happened and what the fans thought.

Whingers will always moan, it doesn't matter what happens. With a few exceptions of course.

borodavey Posted on 9/9 15:37
re: So we're all agreed McClaren should go th

do you ever watch football other than boro and england. Those games where not entertaining, we played to seep many we barely had a shot.

skiprat Posted on 9/9 15:48
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Davey - there are maybe 4-5 teams in the World that play every game with having 20 shots on target andwscoring 7 a game, but they are not in this league and they certaily aren't and will never be Boro. The moment you realise this will make your enjoyment of the sport so much better.

I'm not going to post anymore in this thread. I 've posted numerous times now what were decent, spirited games but you can't see it, so I'm afraid I'm not going to bother trying to point it out anymore.

Good luck in your quest for games that we win 5-4 every week, you may be some time.


red_rebel Posted on 9/9 15:55
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I didn't start going to football because I wanted entertainment. A lot of what I have seen over the years has been tedious.

I started going because I loved being part of a crowd that acted as one, sparked off what was happening on the pitch and had a real sense of unity and purpose. Sometimes the entertainment in being in the crowd was far, far better than the football.

That is why football now is dull. It may be technically the best we have ever seen but we can't interact with the team and each other in the same way and it becomes very frustrating.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 9/9 16:20
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Great post red rebel, the crux is not McClaren but the fact that the game has changed and the crowd has changed.

McClaren is doing a brilliant job but people aren't happy in general and it's easy to blame the Macster.

paulaner Posted on 9/9 16:30
re: So we're all agreed McClaren should go then?

got to give him till xmas at least then we will know what sort of season were going to have .so we can save the transfer money for mogga.

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Glen_Tilbrook Posted on 10/9 8:49
someone has been banned

? nearly 200 ?

BroughtonLad Posted on 10/9 8:50
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Cunning Plan?

Glen_Tilbrook Posted on 10/9 8:53
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I suspect either Buddy has been his normal PC self or Biggins was drunk and hit the delete button.

Mind you I've just noticed that I posted some crud at 3.47 - so what am I doing up?

Glen_Tilbrook Posted on 10/9 8:53
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and I'll take the double.

Buddy Posted on 10/9 12:37
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Hardly Glen, it was my fking post!!