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yobbo1 Posted on 16/9 0:16
McCLAREN HITS OUT AT MISSING FANS

Middlesbrough fans do not deserve this chairman. Well said McClaren:

From the Sporting Live website:


McCLAREN HITS OUT AT MISSING FANS
Middlesbrough boss Steve McClaren admitted his disappointment after seeing a crowd of just 14,101 turn up to watch his side edge their way towards the UEFA Cup group stage.

The crowd at the Riverside Stadium was some 20,000 below capacity for Boro's 2-0 win over Greek outfit Skoda Xanthi as the Teessiders launched their second European campaign.

"We are very disappointed because we worked so hard the season before to get into Europe, we had such a good run and enjoyed it last season and we worked so hard to get it again this season because that was the measure of success," McClaren said.

"I am disappointed with that. The chairman has worked very hard and I am disappointed for him because he wanted to bring European football to this club.

"It is an honour for him and it is disappointing that the team has not been backed by the fans."

grantus Posted on 16/9 0:20
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Well said, turn on the supporters? Give me a break. Never, ever turn on the supporters. Out of order!!!

Lisbonlegend Posted on 16/9 0:20
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Yep, true. It's a bit like any cup though, you always get rubbish crowds in the early rounds til the excitement builds.

borodrew Posted on 16/9 0:20
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i dont think you can disagree really. however you look at it, especially after beating arsenal.

pricing was an issue though.

JSawyers200 Posted on 16/9 0:21
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JSawyers hits out at McClaren:

"Have a word with your beloved Chairman and advise that £20 was slightly too much to charge for the game.

This was a big disappointment to fans considering the opposition. Try charging a fair price and you may get a bigger crowd"

borodrew Posted on 16/9 0:22
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sounds like a wind up, nothing on sporting life website. never heard of sporting live. good attempt like if it is. got me.

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Cobain_94 Posted on 16/9 0:22
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If he gives me £200 a week for the next year I'll quit work and go to every Boro game. Until then he can shut the f_uck up.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 16/9 0:22
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Can we have a link to this please.

grantus Posted on 16/9 0:23
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"It is an honour for him and it is disappointing that the team has not been backed by the fans."

He's walking on thin ice, thats all im saying. Be careful when thinking about striking the hand that feeds you.

RodOfGod Posted on 16/9 0:24
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You'de think they'de start cottoning on as to why people aren't going!
You know football is in decline when the Premiership Champions can't fill there ground.

Grumpy_Paul Posted on 16/9 0:25
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Dear Mr McClaren

The average salary on Teesside is let's say for sake of argument about 20,000 quid. What's your salary, and you don't even have to pay to get in.

Many Teessiders who would love to go to every game are at the bottom end of the pay scale and simply can't afford it so they have to pick and choose which games they go to.

Sad really but financial reallity.

tony_block19 Posted on 16/9 0:27
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I don't blame him for saying that! 14,000 for a UEFA Cup game!! After we made such a big deal about qualifying for it in May!

Its like Wigan on Sunday, apparently only taking 1,800 fans out of 4,500!!!

Sometimes our fans can be embarassing!

Lisbonlegend Posted on 16/9 0:28
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Can we have a link to this please.

JSawyers200 Posted on 16/9 0:28
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tony - go to bed mate.

Revol_Tees Posted on 16/9 0:28
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I don't mind the manager and players being disappointed with a low crowd. I hope they understand the reasons though.

And I wish someone with a genuinely high profile would speak out about issues confronting football fans these days. On Sky TV they usually go out of their way to avoid talking about it. You get presenters and commentators expressing "surprise" and "sadness" at the number of empty seats, but hardly ever mentioning the multitude of possible reasons why they're empty. I'm pretty sure they're told specifically not to discuss such things on air.

Arthur_horsfield Posted on 16/9 0:29
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Out of order McClaren.

You don't here the manager of Tescos slagging his customers off because they don't shop there. They do something about it i.e. reduce their prices to get them in.

Maybe SM should take a pay cut, what he on? I've heard he's just signed a £8m 4 year deal. Then pass the savings on to the hard pressed fans.

borodrew Posted on 16/9 0:29
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he said gibson was dissapointed or "apparently" dissapointed if its true. gibson sets the prices. i think a cheaper price would have upped it to maybe 20k max.


arthur, dont believe everything you read yet. theres no link, cant find it on any website. seems a wind up. cant see why he'd say it anyway. he wouldnt want to distance himself from fans, its hard enough with some as it is. also why would he speak for the chairman?? unless the chairman asked him too. that wouldnt go down too well.


can we have a link please?

--- Post edited by borodrew on 16/9 0:31 ---

mowbrays_number_4 Posted on 16/9 0:30
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i'm not on a massive salary and i was dissapointed with the attendance.i too feel that gibbo deserves better.we've waited all our lives for european football and now that we have it we treat it with disdain.sadly when its gone people will be wishing that they had taken more of an interest.

am i wrong?

Lisbonlegend Posted on 16/9 0:30
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I can't find this website anywhere. Unless the link appears I'm going to assume it's a wind up.

JAG1977 Posted on 16/9 0:31
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Low cup crowds I can understand.

Taking any less than 3k to Wigan, after beating Arsenal, I cannot.

tony_block19 Posted on 16/9 0:32
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Ah yes here we go! Everyone has to disagree with Tony! I love it!

Wheres the 30,000 from Cardiff gone!? And the thousands of others that wanted tickets for that match!?

I know people have financial problems but jesus TWENTY THOUSAND PEOPLE MISSING! Surely all can't have friggin' travel and financial problems! Same goes for Sunday, out of the 40-50,000 fans we have across Teesside, only 1,800 can be bothered.

Does make you laugh doesn't it!

JSawyers200 Posted on 16/9 0:33
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how many tickets have we been given for Sunday tony?

40-50 thousand?

if so, i will be there.

probably more like 1800 eh?

like i said, go to bed.

roseyred Posted on 16/9 0:34
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cobain is completey right, what about us normal lads, who have supported the boro for years and cant afford to go to the games because its silly money?

tony_block19 Posted on 16/9 0:35
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We were given the WHOLE stand behind the goal for Wigan, thats 4,500 tickets even the coppers in Lloyds said tonight we were offered that, out of all them tickets we are only taking 1,800-2,000.

Its not like its Portsmouth away on a Tuesday night in the middles of January is it!?!?

jarazinho Posted on 16/9 0:35
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I personally dont know how you boys and girls can afford it,especially you married,kids,motgage etc crowd...i know you cats are earning STG,but still STG35 which i think is what i paid for my last visit to the riverside is a lot of money for me..if i was single,no kids,then yes no problem i would be home and away every week....if you cant afford thats it!!down to prioritys really...plenty of fans must have kids to feed and bills to pay...quite simple really.

borodrew Posted on 16/9 0:35
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is yobbo a boro fan, i thought he was an evertonian?

theres so many who believe anything written to have a go at mcclaren. cant even find the bloody article anywhere on the internet, but ppl are still believeing it and using it to moan

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JAG1977 Posted on 16/9 0:38
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The stand at Wigan holds 5500.

Teams are initially given 4 to 4.5k, then extra if they need them.

Arthur_horsfield Posted on 16/9 0:38
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Found it!

http://www.sportinglife.com/football/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=soccer/05/09/15/SOCCER_Middlesbrough_Quotes_Nightle.html

Link: Sporting Life

Fischer Posted on 16/9 0:41
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Tony, you're astonishing. Absolutely amazing. Even I don't posses your bare-faced cheek, and I can only stand back and admire.

On this thread yesterday you unashamedly told everyone that you were cutting back on your away games because you preferred to save up for a new set of golf clubs. And the first one you're missing?

It begins with a 'W'...

Link: Linky winky

jarazinho Posted on 16/9 0:41
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excuse my ignorance...what are ticket prices for uefa games at the Riverside??are there dicounts for kids,family packages etc??

borodrew Posted on 16/9 0:42
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fair enough- whinge away

maybe gibbos getting sick too, if he said that the chairmans dissapointed. lets hope he doesnt give up on it all due to lack fo support from fans.

even though i agree with mcclaren and gibson i wouldnt have bothered saying it myself, as it doesnt help a managers relationship with fans.

pricings a big issue too and it was too much for the opposition tonight. the club as a whole needs to look at that.

Gillandi Posted on 16/9 0:53
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Ruthless efficiency Fisch.

Fischer Posted on 16/9 0:55
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You have to get up very early in the afternoon to get anything past me.

buffaloboro Posted on 16/9 1:34
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the crowd was disappointing , but I can understand why. As stated , people don't have the cash esp with the whole petrol thing. Over time the fans have been priced out the market - look at chelsea , a rich catchment area and loads of pseduo fans , but low gates.
Players are paid too much and that is another reason why I despise emerson . I spent a fortune to see the Boro play that season and he walked off the pitch on to his next pay day.
The other factor is that many of us have to work away

MyBoro Posted on 16/9 1:37
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"It is an honour for him and it is disappointing that the team has not been backed by the fans."

The fans have backed the dream for ten years, but the prices rise each year (recently) and access to games from other sources continues to grow. Your not allowed to stand, you cant smoke, you can't get a drink. Yep just fickle fans who no doubt need educating.

Until he puts his hand in his pocket he can shut the feck up about the fans commitment.

Playing Doriva, Boateng and Parlour is not going to fill the ground. Very poor show from a man who's wages are paid by the fans. Nothing is ever his fault though, just as I start to think he has a good side he spoils it.

br14 Posted on 16/9 2:25
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Dont you just love something to complain about.

McClaren makes a simple statement that he was disappointed to see so few in the ground (and at 20 quid isnt that almost half the normal tickets), and out come the complainers, most of whom wouldnt have gone to the game if it was free.

Gibson has lost millions on the club, and while you have to have it to lose it, at least we are lucky enough to have a chairman who cares about his local team. He probably lost another few tens of thousands tonight.

If you cant go to the game or dont want to go to the game, fair enough, just dont come on here whining when someone makes what seems to me to be fair comment.

boro_in_europa Posted on 16/9 2:47
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The crowd was disappointing full stop. We are in europe ffs. We got a marginally less attendance in the league cup against Barnet in 1997.

buffaloboro Posted on 16/9 2:55
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there is no doubt the crowd was low , esp after all the hype last year when we first played. it is a sad thing..

The_Boro_Bugler Posted on 16/9 4:30
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It was a disappointing crowd, but not unexpected if were honest

Things are not about to change quickly either, we will continue to get low crowds for first round ties in the uefa, league cup.

I think it is now recognised by the regular fans that low crowds will be a reality for these fixtures. We have a core of 20-25k many made up of family groups

I believe there is also a subconscious knock on effect, if people see, read and hear about the low crowd and ultimately bad atmosphere then this does effect the decision to go when considering the costs involved

(Atmosphere after all is what live football is all about - or else we'd sit a home week in week out)

Families budget there monthly spending (standing order, direct debits etc.., therefore buying a season ticket ensures there regular attendance - many will have to dig into there expendable cash for cup games and appears do not want to do so for what they see as poor opposition

Mclaren has a point but would possibly be smarter keeping it to himself.... which again has me questioning his persona....not a good idea to upset the fan base

MrAngryInKuwait Posted on 16/9 6:38
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I wasn't there, obviously, but from the commentary, it was another poor performance. Let McClaren complain if people are still staying away whilst the team are playing consistently well, and I might be tempted to agree with him. But carping on about people not watching poor displays (which most of our games have been over the last year) is out of order.

I feared the worse last night after hearing of his team selection, but fortunately we got a good result out of a bad performance. Doesn't excuse him playing a very negative and defensive midfield. What's the point of having home advantage if you play like an away team?

ScarboroSmoggy Posted on 16/9 6:48
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I wonder what Briggsy will think about this attack on him by McClaren?

ScarboroSmoggy Posted on 16/9 7:22
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I wonder why Briggsy hasn't responded on this thread?

boropatch Posted on 16/9 7:52
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I wish people would stop using this all encompassing term "European football" when they are refferring to the uefa cup as if it is some sort of promised land of footballing utopia.It is a second rate competition, a geographically enhanced Leyland Daf Trophy.Fans throughout Europe realise this with many games being played in front of less than half empty stadiums last night.No doubt we probably had the highest ticket prices of all games played last night and market forces have dictated simple but true.Wake up and smell the roses.

PapaJohn Posted on 16/9 8:07
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It was about 6k higher than I expected.

14k for a THU nite against some unheard of greek outfit. I think is OK.

SMAC in Europe - I think some of the fans remember the Villareal game from last year! If we get thru the group stages the stadium will be full.

There are many other factors which are causing the 'decine' of premiership/top level football.

Regarding prices - I went to Watford Norwich the other nite and it cost me £25 and the boy £15. Which I think is very high for sitting behind the goal in a 2nd division game. There was only 13k there and Watford are flying.

livinglegend Posted on 16/9 8:09
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Very unwise comments to make, especially as the debate about ticket prices is starting to rumble.

People just can't afford it, end of story. If you have no outgoings other than football, fine, but mortgages, bills and other financial commitments don't leave much cash for football, I'm afraid.

I think people will prioritise league games over this sort of match.

northantsred Posted on 16/9 8:11
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Some of you will not be happy until you hound out the best manager we have ever had together with the "messiah" himself- SG.

Then we we will be back where you moaning minnies belong, the rear end of the championship.

Why don't you feck off and support Sunderland instead!

BillyBill Posted on 16/9 8:13
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He wants to shut up and get on with his job which will become even harder if he keeps on having a go at the supporters and talking the club down.

Leave the PR to that other idiot who gets paid to be hated and talfk rubbish.

OverTheTopAussie Posted on 16/9 8:13
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I agree with Boropatch. Until we get to the Champs League we should just turn down our UEFA Cup place or if we can't do that then make sure we finish mid-table and avoid it altogether.

boropatch Posted on 16/9 8:15
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New reality TV show where Premiership managers have to live on £200 a week for a year and attend all home games after paying priority bills.

ScarboroSmoggy Posted on 16/9 8:38
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northantsred, get a grip.

OverTheTopAussie Posted on 16/9 8:40
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New "supporters" reality TV show. Where the "supporters" are rewarded for the most excuses they can find for not supporting.

blotonthelandscape Posted on 16/9 9:03
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We were there and I didn't think it was a bad crowd. Football has been a fad for about 10 years, it has been the thing to be seen at, now them type of supporters(?) have moved on.

I thought the performance was quite good, with Maccarone proving to me again I know nothing about football.

A bloke called Ratner had a go at his product and he went down the pan, McC needs to be very careful when he criticises his paying public.

Out of interest I think, could be wrong, that McC is from York, when was the last time he paid to watch them?

ScarboroSmoggy Posted on 16/9 9:04
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Yes he's from York.

dsp007 Posted on 16/9 9:27
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fans hit out at missing players,should be the headline.
yet again we got away with a result which could so easily have gone the other way.we were lucky,very lucky and if mcclaren can only blame the fans then that about sums up the guy.
if he`d put out a full strength team a trounced them,then the next game,would attract more fans but as fans expected,he put out half a team and so they were right to stay away.
I know people will say he`s resting players,but surely he rested the wrong players.Why not give Parlour a rest ,not that it would make much differance to his performance,he is just not interested and makes no attempt to put any sort of effort into the game and Ugo could do with a rest,he`s too big and slow and Viduka had one of his I can`t be bothered nights.The attitude of some players is what turns fans away,fans see through players and management these days and it`s been a long time coming.

grantus Posted on 16/9 9:27
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So, unless you were there last night, Mac is having a pop at you, yes you, all of you. From Singapore to the dole in Linthorpe.

You are disappointing. His brand of football is not however disappointing, players performances, attitudes and lack of loyalty is not disappointing, the prices are not disappointing, what is happening to the game is not disappointing, the fact it is not the working class sport it once was is not disappointing, the FA's pimping of the game is not disappointing, never mind about no drinking, no smoking, rubbish food, all not disappointing.

No, it is us, we are the disappointment.

This makes my blood boil. How dare he? That son of a bitch. Very, very disappointing. Who does he think he is?



--- Post edited by grantus on 16/9 9:30 ---

boroboy75 Posted on 16/9 9:47
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tony blockhead said
"Sometimes our fans can be embarassing!"

That's true.
Particularly the drunken, white tracksuit, and cheap jewellery wearing scrotes who infest opposition grounds.

BOBEND Posted on 16/9 9:50
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Well Said Steve!

14,000 for a UEFA cup game is pathetic!!!

Gibbo must be wondering this morning if he has taken the club as far as it can go, I think there is a real chance he may walk away from it in the next few years, and I fear the worst if he does. What will happen to the Boro when we next get relegated? Because it will happen one day!

The_Boro_Bugler Posted on 16/9 9:51
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bobend - should'nt that be knobend !!!!

ColinBellEnd Posted on 16/9 9:52
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The Club is losing money every season - like all Clubs except the Rags. You need an altrusitic benefactor to survive but if he hasn't got a bottomless pit of resources like Abramovic he will, NOT may, walk away believe you me.

grantus Posted on 16/9 10:00
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It's the European equivelant of playing grimsby at home in the 2nd round of the League Cup. Its not that big a deal. Get a grip, does he not remember Lazio last season? Ostrava was different because it was historical. Decent opposition, higher crowds, further in the competition, higher crowds. Why should the UEFA Cup be any different from the League Cup or the FA Cup?

If it was that big a game, why then play Doriva and Bates? And 3 defensive midfielders?

We're not stupid Mac, dont treat us as such.

sasboro Posted on 16/9 10:01
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it is totally wrong for mfc staff to criticise fans for not going. it's ok for players and staff to earn their 20k a week and critisice the hte fans. maybe they should contribute to paying for fans to go?or atleast pay their travel expenses. In this age of over priced tickets, by criticising the fans will just alienate the fans even more. he should be sympathetic to the cost of watching games these days

I wonder how many home games his favourate fan, briggsy has gone to this season?

hoiw about every player at a club sells one of their fleets of cars and put the money in the pot to pay the travel costs for fans to go to away games?

--- Post edited by sasboro on 16/9 10:05 ---

pisces Posted on 16/9 10:03
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SMac's comments are on Teletext this morning. I was there last night and I must admit it was a bit disappointing to see the ground half empty. I realise prices have a lot to do with it and fully understand about people living away from the area but, as for the team he put out, we have a potentially tough game away on Sunday and if he'd played a full strength team and got extra injuries he would be vilified on here. He's said that the Prem comes first and foremost and he's obviously got to shuffle the pack to take in to account all the prem games and forthcoming cup games. We got through so I am satisfied, I bet the Everton supporters would swap places with a 2-0 win at home.

ColinBellEnd Posted on 16/9 10:04
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Is football "entertainment" or a "business"?

I ask that because I think people on here seem confused as to which is which.

skiprat Posted on 16/9 10:05
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I don't see anything wrong in what he's said personally.

However, there's no way on Earth that 15 thousand fans suddenly all can't afford to go, so ALL of the surrounding reasons need looking at, not just price.

paulwilko10 Posted on 16/9 10:08
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What really fukkking annoys me is, that ginger w4nk3r gets the chance to slag us all off on TV or the papers nationally (Its on SKY now by the way), but we can't get our point across as easily.

The only real way of doing it is not to go to games to watch the mind numbingly boring football that his team produces.

I have a season ticket, and have had for 10 years, but it is becoming harder and harder to travel 540 miles each home game.

We played one of the worst teams in the tournament, and he plays 3 defensive midfielders.
We all suspected he would do this and we have all (Bar 14K) have shown what we thhink of it by not going.
He even said, "first we must not concede"
That is so negative.

Fukkk Off Maclaren, it is only gonna get worse !!

I think he is a sh1t3 manager anyway.

Boro85 Posted on 16/9 10:10
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Tickets should have been cheaper yes, no doubt about it. I still dont think we would have got a decent attendance mind, people just cant be fussed anymore. They want to be entertained (as opposed to supporting their team), they want value for money (as opposed to, again, supporting their team), and they go to matches (or in this case not) with pre-concieved ideas about it.

Both parties need a long hard look at themselves. Football is dying and everyone needs to realise that and do something about it.


Edit for paul:
"We played one of the worst teams in the tournament, and he plays 3 defensive midfielders.
We all suspected he would do this and we have all (Bar 14K) have shown what we thhink of it by not going.
He even said, "first we must not concede"
That is so negative.
"
We didnt have much choice but to play 3 defensive midfielders, if you havent noticed we're rather light on the ground and we have a game on sunday. I went last night, didnt like the 3 defensive midfielder lark but accepted it as something that we couldnt avoid. Not something to stop giving your support for the team over. And he's right, first job wasnt to concede. If we gave away an away goal, but scored 2 then it becomes worthless. Xanthi's job over there will be not to concede because if they do they know the tie is well and truely over. Bascis of European football.

--- Post edited by Boro85 on 16/9 10:13 ---

jimmythewondercat Posted on 16/9 10:13
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Good to see the bash Mac club latching on to yet another titbit!

If he turned round and said 'Yeah 14900 is fine' what reaction would he get?

The people slagging him off here also slag him off for allegedly not caring or having an opinion!

Personally, if you live on Teesside, are not totally cash strapped and had nothing more pressing to do last night then £20 should not have stopped you watching UEFA cup football. That was the first game I missed home or away this season and I live near London. I was gutted because of work I couldnt get there. Not because I believe in being loyal - I just love going!

For all those who sat in Boro/Redcar pubs watching an illegal feed because you wanted to save a few quid - shame on you tight wads!!!

sasboro Posted on 16/9 10:15
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how dare millionaires criticise paying fans for not going, especially when we pay their wages!

smog_on_the_tees Posted on 16/9 10:15
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He should have said, the attendance was poor but i would like to apolgise for the fans who did show for playing such a disjointed display

bozo83 Posted on 16/9 10:16
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Ticket prices werent an issue, £20 is a fair price, same as last season! Just we have fans who who'd rather spend it in the pub or on a parmo then go support the team. Its there call but they shouldnt try and call themselves Boro fans!

The_Goatie Posted on 16/9 10:17
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So Paul Wilk you are not satisfied that we are in a great position to progress into the Group Stages wheareas Everton play attractive football by shipping in 5 goals and are humiliated. I know who I'd rather support.


That said travelling those many miles to watch that performance against Charlton you deserve a good moan. But you should know that football is not like the theatre. It is not always entertaining.

paulwilko10 Posted on 16/9 10:18
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Boro85, so who was that right midfielder that came on from the subs bench then ??? Oh yes, it was Morrison. Isn't he meant to be the answer to right side problems.

Also, game on sunday, why is one of the oldest players (Parlour) in the club playing in the first place instead of Morrison ?
As you went, I am surprised at your lack of knowledge !!

I agree we should not concede, but we could kill the tie off by scoring 3 or 4 with a more attacking line up.

BoroMutt Posted on 16/9 10:19
re: McCLAREN HITS OUT AT MISSING FANS

McClaren did not criticise the fans - FACT!

McClaren said "it is disappointing that the team has not been backed by the fans."

the journo said "McClaren hits out at missing fans"

It was a 14000 crowd it WAS disappointing, if he says "it's a good crowd" he looks stupid. The McClaren bashers have something else to jump up and down about. Great.

Bored already.

paulwilko10 Posted on 16/9 10:20
re: McCLAREN HITS OUT AT MISSING FANS

"Everton Play Attractive football"

Are you sure ???

They only play one up front as well !!!

The_Goatie Posted on 16/9 10:20
re: McCLAREN HITS OUT AT MISSING FANS

There were 6 effing goals in the game. You don't want much do you.

sasboro Posted on 16/9 10:21
re: McCLAREN HITS OUT AT MISSING FANS

has big sam come out and criticised only 20k turning up for their first european game

Boro85 Posted on 16/9 10:22
re: McCLAREN HITS OUT AT MISSING FANS

Morrison was ill for the Arsenal game
Morrison has hence missed some training this week
Morrison is therefor not 100% fit
Middlesbrough play Wigan on Sunday
Morrison will most likely be needed vs Wigan
Morrison wasnt needed vs Xanthi hence we didnt risk him, and just gave him a run out near the end to get his fitness levels up.

League > UEFA cup
Therefore make sure we have all the big players in top shape for the league games.

grantus Posted on 16/9 10:22
re: McCLAREN HITS OUT AT MISSING FANS

I think people want to support a team that represents them. What is happening on the terraces is a reflection of what is happening on the pitch.

Give the fans passion on the pitch and the fans will give pasion from the terraces (chicken or the egg)

Business or entertainment? Both, obviously.

Pisces, Premiership comes first. We'll exactly, thats where the fans are too. So, whats the problem?

He shouldn't turn on the fans, plain and simple. This debate rages because supporters justifiably feel insulted by Mac's comments. He has instigated it, not us, its about what he said, not about hounding him out of the club, its his f'cking fault, get it?

He should have though about what he wanted to say and said it diplomatically or not said it at all. Why did he have to, maybe so he didn't have to talk about another under par team performance, I know, ill balme it on the supporters, Disgraceful!!

Its a basic schoolboy error. Some of you lot just want to fight with the supporters, I find it weird. What he has said, from his position is indefensable in my mind. Its not about pro Mac or anti Mac, its about a position of responsibility.

Look, its all over the media now, he's turned us into a laughing stock.

"Boro manager attacks his own fans"

You dont do it, ever, he's shat on his own doorstep. There was no violance, no racism, nothing, just his team and a half empty stadium.

CzechBoro Posted on 16/9 10:22
re: McCLAREN HITS OUT AT MISSING FANS

You look like a good candidate to Chair The "Anti Mac" Group wilko. Who is your preferred candidate for the hot seat?

skiprat Posted on 16/9 10:25
re: McCLAREN HITS OUT AT MISSING FANS

Do Bolton ever get 30k+ attendances?

MrAngryInKuwait Posted on 16/9 10:28
re: McCLAREN HITS OUT AT MISSING FANS

ColinBellEnd, we've had the argument about entertainment v business for so long, I'm sick of people bringing it up. It's a very simple answer.

Football IS a business. Businesses make money or they don't stay in business. People will pay money to be entertained, not to watch shyte displays at the majority of home games.

Therefore, entertain the fans, the people that pay your wages, and they will keep coming along every week, and handing over their cash. If you don't entertain them, they won't come, and they'll spend their money on some other form of entertainment.

Loyalty is all very well, but there are many ways of showing it other than organising direct debits from your bank account to the football club each week, regardles of whether you feel the club is giving you anything back.

paulwilko10 Posted on 16/9 10:29
re: McCLAREN HITS OUT AT MISSING FANS

I will chair it if i am voted in.

All I want is a manager who is slightly more attacking than he is now.
I am not saying lets go gun hoe and try and win 5-0 every week, but to play 3 defensive midfielders is indefenceable in my oppinion.

To slag us off as well is just the biggest mistake he could make.

He is lucky we dont have a home game this wekend, because i think the fans would really turn on him after probably watching another dismal performance !!

skiprat Posted on 16/9 10:29
re: McCLAREN HITS OUT AT MISSING FANS

Grantus, do you actually think that he has ATTACKED the fans?

I imagine his REAL feelings towards sections of our fans is a lot worse than this and deservedly so.

CzechBoro Posted on 16/9 10:31
re: McCLAREN HITS OUT AT MISSING FANS

To a point Mr Angry I agree. Except in what other form of activity outside sport do you have an opposition trying to stop you entertaining?

In the cinema you dont have a bunch of people running across the screen trying to block your view deliberately.

skiprat Posted on 16/9 10:31
re: McCLAREN HITS OUT AT MISSING FANS

Yep, just like the last home league game eh wilko?

It's already been pointed out to you that we didn't really have much option but to play 3 defensive midfielders last night.

Red_Slim Posted on 16/9 10:34
re: McCLAREN HITS OUT AT MISSING FANS

that sums it up pretty well grantus.

grantus Posted on 16/9 10:36
re: McCLAREN HITS OUT AT MISSING FANS

I think he turned on us, i think he insulted us. Attack is too strong, but he has put himself in a position for the media to use terms like "Hit out" "Attacked".

Deservedly so? Why, deservedly so? Without them and people like them, or people like me or you across the World, he is nothing. He should be thankful to every one of us. Its our support that gives him his lifestyle, a privilaged one.

paulwilko10 Posted on 16/9 10:37
re: McCLAREN HITS OUT AT MISSING FANS

Some of you like Maclaren

Some of us don't

We are all entitled to our oppinions and my oppinion is, I don't understand why people belive Maclaren is a good manager.

grantus Posted on 16/9 10:38
re: McCLAREN HITS OUT AT MISSING FANS

Actually, I think more than anything, he let us down.

And its not about liking or not liking him, some of us dont care about that. Its about the Club. Nothing more, nothing less.

--- Post edited by grantus on 16/9 10:44 ---

speckyget Posted on 16/9 10:40
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I think you have defined the argument inaccurately Mr Angry. It isn't entertainment vs business, as these are on the same side of the argument. It's entertainment/business vs being a supporter of your club.

Much of this fashionable 'football is dead' movement seems to be founded on the notion that a trip to a match is just another of what retail park developers refer to as 'exciting leisure opportunities'. Not the case for me personally, never has been, never will.

Don't get me wrong - I love an exciting, attractive game as much as the next man. When that happens - bonus. But it isn't the main motivation. Supporting Boro is not like a trip to the bowling alley.

swordtrombonefish Posted on 16/9 10:43
re: McCLAREN HITS OUT AT MISSING FANS

Who gives a fuuck?
Choice is just that - what others do is not my business, Igo, they may not. If they do....bonus.

--- Post edited by swordtrombonefish on 16/9 10:44 ---

Winston_Spangler Posted on 16/9 10:45
re: McCLAREN HITS OUT AT MISSING FANS

It's not the same game it was 15 years ago. We'd have filled Ayresome Park out for a European game back then. But back then it was £6 into the Holgate, (No Concessions) you could stand, swear, throw bog roll. There was no £410 for a season ticket. Something which I'm still paying off. £20 to see the first round of a cup, notorious for poor attendances and even poorer teams is too high. I have it in my bank but have things more important and more worthy of spending it on. Like a set of golf clubs for example...

The_Goatie Posted on 16/9 10:47
re: McCLAREN HITS OUT AT MISSING FANS

Yes Spangler but can you throw a bog roll across the 18th Green?

Kilburn Posted on 16/9 10:48
re: McCLAREN HITS OUT AT MISSING FANS

Lets face it, this is just another excuse for those who don't like McClaren to have a go at him.

He says that he is disappointed with the turnout - well, what is he supposed to say? That he is delighted that half our regular fans decided to stay away?

And this attacking football argument. European football just isn't like that. People are demanding the impossible, so that when they don't get it they feel justified for having another good moan.

chesterfieldwhite Posted on 16/9 10:48
re: McCLAREN HITS OUT AT MISSING FANS

so how much was a ticket last night?

adult?
kids?

Grove_Hill_Red Posted on 16/9 10:51
re: McCLAREN HITS OUT AT MISSING FANS

I would rather go through the season and win every game 1-0 and lift some silverware/win the premiership that get beaten 4-3 week in week out and be "entertained". I just don't find it entertaining seeing my team losing.

It's not really an entertainment thing in my opinion, it's a passion thing, you want your team to be the best and that means winning, play defensive if you have to, hit on the break, and win the game. Soak up the pressure. I don't care as long as the result is right.

Was last Saturday entertaining? Mr. Wenger doesn't seem to think so, we should have attacked more and left gaping holes for them to rampage through because that would have been MORE entertaining... I DONT THINK SO!

Take a reality check, we won, we have a bloody good chance of qualifying for the group stage and beyond. Would you be happy to go to the UEFA final and see us defend for 90 minutes them grab the winner in the 91st? I know I WOULD!

skiprat Posted on 16/9 10:53
re: McCLAREN HITS OUT AT MISSING FANS

Surely the prices for the UEFA cup final would be too high and half of the crowd wouldn't go anyway.

MrAngryInKuwait Posted on 16/9 10:54
re: McCLAREN HITS OUT AT MISSING FANS

Re Entertainment v Business, a lot of you feel results are more important than entertainment, and defend McClaren's tactics accordingly.

Where are these marvelous 'results' you keep going on about?

Only SIX league wins since last Xmas.

Defeats and Draws are not the sort of results that excite me. They won't bring success.

A win is worth three draws. I think that sort of result would be more beneficial to club and fans alike, than the ones we see more regularly.

keelo Posted on 16/9 10:54
re:UEFA CUP SO WHAT

for various reasons i couldnt go last night,one was travel and the other money (among other things) i watched Hamburg v Copenhagen,there was 43,600 there,atmosphere brilliant and tickets started at £10.50 for adults.dont know if this has anything to do with it but i suspect a lot of people are just sick to the back teeth of paying over the top prices to watch second rate football

micky_k86 Posted on 16/9 10:56
re: McCLAREN HITS OUT AT MISSING FANS

100. Yes.

Borowood Posted on 16/9 10:56
re: McCLAREN HITS OUT AT MISSING FANS

It's threads like this that remind me why I don't usually post on here, short-sighted, uneducated bigots = majority of members on here.
Why can't Mclaren communicate his frustrations at the poor crowd. We can't give tickets away, a wage bill does exist and needs paying.
Our fans are fickle - FACT.

boroboymike Posted on 16/9 10:56
re: McCLAREN HITS OUT AT MISSING FANS

The reason 20'000 stayed away is not cost. It's just the fact it was always going to be dour and dull. MaCLaren has not replaced Zenden, and was always going to put out sterile midfield. Rochemback is similar to Emerson in that he is a bit more of a ball player than George, but he WILL NOT get goals as his record shows.

I don't blame MaCLaren for putting out that side as it did a good job, but people going there expecting to be entertained have been living in a cave for 4 years. How many attacking wingers/midfielders has MaCLaren bought in that time??????

i did enjoy the bit from the lad who asked if our millionnaire manager backs his local team York. Very good point.

I wonder if perhaps Mr Gibson was disappointed when £8mil from his back pocket was wasted on Maccarone.

Maybe the fans who paid £300 who went to Villarreal were disappointed Steve when you put a reserve forward line out?

MaCLaren's comments are ill advised, but if he wins at Wigan with Rocky, Yak and Southgate back in he'll have had 4 excellent days as manager for me.

paulwilko10 Posted on 16/9 10:57
re: McCLAREN HITS OUT AT MISSING FANS

I can accept the odd bad performance, everybody has a bad day at the office, but Mac is to blame for a lot of our negativity, not just a bad day at the office.

He is negative, that is plain to see.

I would be happy we won the cup if that is how it went but i would not be happy with defending for 90 mins, totally unacceptable.

We played Xhanti for gods sake, not real madrid

speckyget Posted on 16/9 10:58
re: McCLAREN HITS OUT AT MISSING FANS

So, Mr Angry. A guaranteed win, cracking game or money back, or you won't go. Is that it?

jonny_giles Posted on 16/9 11:00
re: McCLAREN HITS OUT AT MISSING FANS

I've just watched meelan vs fenerbache champs league highlights.
Even meelan couldn't sell out their ground ;-)

another_waster Posted on 16/9 11:01
re: McCLAREN HITS OUT AT MISSING FANS

To be fair to Mac he never hit out at anyone, he was just dissapointed.

Would you like him to say when asked...

"What do you think about the poor attendance tonight"

"I thought it was magnificant, absolutely delighted that we didnt even sell half the tickets"

Just be realistic, hes not happy, the board arent happy. Nothing he can do though, just try and get results for who was there

another_waster Posted on 16/9 11:02
re: McCLAREN HITS OUT AT MISSING FANS

And how the hell can you criticise mac for playing 3 defensive midfielders?
He did it last year to get through these stages and I didnt see any of you complaining when we got through to play against Lazio and Sporting etc

skiprat Posted on 16/9 11:03
re: McCLAREN HITS OUT AT MISSING FANS

If we win 15 - 0 and nail the other team for 90 minutes, will you give the club MORE money as well Mr Angry, aftir all you want value for money, so what if you get more than you paid for?

Regarding Rochemback, we've more than replaced Zenden if he keeps up what he showed last week, plus I think he scored 11 in 21 at Sporting in his first season there.


green_beret20 Posted on 16/9 11:04
re: McCLAREN HITS OUT AT MISSING FANS

Eh?

"It is an honour for him and it is disappointing that the team has not been backed by the fans."

Seems pretty concrete to me, obviously now it seems even season ticket money isnt good enough anymore.
£20 is now all the difference between backing the team or not, apparntly.

--- Post edited by green_beret20 on 16/9 11:05 ---

Kilburn Posted on 16/9 11:05
re: McCLAREN HITS OUT AT MISSING FANS

"We played Xhanti for god's sake, not Real Madrid"

You could equally say:

"We are Boro for god's sake, not Real Madrid"

A lot on here seem to forget this.

j_orourke Posted on 16/9 11:07
re: McCLAREN HITS OUT AT MISSING FANS

I suspect if it had of been free we wouldn't have got many more!

Then what would have got the blame, the weather?

Buggerlugs Posted on 16/9 11:10
re: McCLAREN HITS OUT AT MISSING FANS

"We'd have filled Ayresome Park out for a European game back then."

Do you think so Winston? I doubt it. We never sold out the home leg when we played Man U in the semi final of the Rumbelows cup. I realised then the limits of our fan base.

grantus Posted on 16/9 11:10
re: McCLAREN HITS OUT AT MISSING FANS

How are our fans fickle? I think we are generally very constant in our thoughts and opinions. Its a myth that our fans are fickle, promoted by people who obviously dont pay attention as well as they should.

Football is about emotions, just because someone cheers a goal doesn't mean that they are happy with everything. Just because someone boos, doesn't mean that they are unhappy with evereything.

Those who call everyone fickle, go read a book on Phsycolgy. Or even a dictionary.

People want to entertained, they want to support their club. I think all of us could handle tight 1-0 victories also. Even though at is against my footballing principles. What we need to be entertained, surely you agree, is commitment, passion and effort. Some skill and flair and loads of goals would be the icing on the cake.

People wont watch without those basic things, regardless of the price.

I certainly dont want the manager turning on the fans, like i said last night, its thin ice, very thin.

--- Post edited by grantus on 16/9 11:13 ---

boroboymike Posted on 16/9 11:10
re: McCLAREN HITS OUT AT MISSING FANS

What 'disappointed' Gibbo more?;

a)low crowd last night

b)his manager applying for the manager's job at Leeds and Newcastle?

green_beret20 Posted on 16/9 11:13
re: McCLAREN HITS OUT AT MISSING FANS

Whilst were on the subject of not getting behind the club, most of the fans have signed up for their season tickets, the players have finalised their deals......

have you signed your contract yet McClaren?

toshino Posted on 16/9 11:14
re: McCLAREN HITS OUT AT MISSING FANS

It was a very dissapointing attendance but the club has got to get in the real world and start charging the !going rate" for matches of this ilk.

The second best supported team in England (from up the road) felt the need to charge £10.00 and £5.00 for similar games so how on earth can we expect a healty attendance at £20/10. They really have to wake up to reality if they are serious about trying to get bums on seats.

Having said that, yes wse are afflicted by some of the most feint hearted and fickle fans in the country cos I know loads of regulars who could have afforded to go but just could not be arsed, simple as that,and these feckless fans are just happy to see the loyal minority keep the club going till they can be bothered to jump on board the next bandwagon.

MrAngryInKuwait Posted on 16/9 11:14
re: McCLAREN HITS OUT AT MISSING FANS

If you lot have read some of my other posts, you will know that I am more bothered about performances, than results. Saying that, a good positive performance will always give you a better chance of winning a match, than a defensive one.

I mentioned results specifically because it's all a lot of people on this board seem to go on about. Yet these 'results' are only in their imagination. Mac's tactics have only won us 6 league games since last christmas. Crowds have dwindled, and I feel it is negative tactics that have a lot to do with it.

You can only say the end justified the means, when you win more than you lose. That has not been the case over the last 9 months.

sasboro Posted on 16/9 11:17
re: McCLAREN HITS OUT AT MISSING FANS

our fans are no more or less fickle than any other fans.
every team gets poor crowds for some games

livinglegend Posted on 16/9 11:17
re: McCLAREN HITS OUT AT MISSING FANS

I wonder if Gibson was as disappointed as when his manager was trying to secure himself a move to Leeds a couple of summers back.

Someone earlier on posted that football clubs need a rich benefactor to survive. No they don't. All they need is a business model that keeps incomings higher than outgoings and a board that has a common sense approach to management, as oppose to the speculative panic merchants that have been throwing other people's money away over the last few years at some clubs. Not that radical really.

dooderooni Posted on 16/9 11:21
re: McCLAREN HITS OUT AT MISSING FANS

I've not had time to read the whole thread but might it not be a better use of energy to voice your concerns about pricing and its effect on attendance to the club rather than simply slagging off the manager?

Perhaps if those complaining about prices made the club aware of their concerns then something would be done about the prices.

sasboro Posted on 16/9 11:23
re: McCLAREN HITS OUT AT MISSING FANS

"Perhaps if those complaining about prices made the club aware of their concerns then something would be done about the prices."

and how else can you do that apart from not going?

bernie_up_front_7 Posted on 16/9 11:24
re: McCLAREN HITS OUT AT MISSING FANS

Outgoings will always be higher than incomings in football now.

borodrew Posted on 16/9 11:25
re: McCLAREN HITS OUT AT MISSING FANS

this negative larks a right laugh. 4th top scorers or whatever last year, 3 goals away at brum, beat arsenal, we usually play 2 upfront in a league thats playing negative 4-5-1. we always go to win a game.

then we ease past xanthi 2-0 a good result which should see us through. we play 3 defensive midfielders because we need our fresher attacking options against a better team on sunday, and hes slated for it!!.

hes not negative, we just didnt have the midfield players to break teams down like we used to a year or 2 ago. rockys in now and does that more. johnsons attacking, morrisons attacking, maccarone on the rights attacking. weve got them players now and we do it as shown against arsenal, yet the fickle idiots on here choose one game where we need to rotate our squad to be good for sunday as a stick to again beat him with.

ludicrous, short sighted, pathetic views, clouded by personal dislike of our good, successful, manager.

youll look back at these days of gibbo mcclaren and think, why the ferck did i whinge ? because i know these last 3 years have been superb, and ive enjoyed every minute.

toshino Posted on 16/9 11:28
re: McCLAREN HITS OUT AT MISSING FANS

Never mind the spin Mr Angry, in my 40 plus years of supporting the Boro this by far and away the highest level this club has been at. We have never had it so good because the foundations for the future success are fantastic.

Compared to the abject mediocrity that this club represented in the early sixties, I am in dreamland, no way could I have envisaged or imagined, or that it would turn in to reality,that a local fan made good would bring such high standards to our beloved football club, or that the nightmare of an uncaring, unintelligent,short sighted,small minded, miserable, mean spirited local fan base give it the thumbs down and wreck it.

grantus Posted on 16/9 11:34
re: McCLAREN HITS OUT AT MISSING FANS

How the f'ck are the fans fickle, Numb Nuts?

Explain, go on. Doyle.

Its not as if the stadium is empty every week either, it was one game, 1st in Europe, against rubbish opposition, overpriced, with an expected group of second string players, so what?!

If you dont like your fellow supporters i say it is you who has the problem, not us. It is you who is the embarresment. Give people their opinions. Bunch of high horse riding, ignorant, blinkered, motherf'ckers.

Right, Im off for some fresh air.

ravsplumber Posted on 16/9 11:41
re: McCLAREN HITS OUT AT MISSING FANS

I can't believe all this "fickle" and no sign of young Briggs.

ryallsy Posted on 16/9 11:41
re: McCLAREN HITS OUT AT MISSING FANS

Maybe we should write our response:

FANS HIT OUT AT MISSING PLAYERS

Middlesbrough fans who dug deep in their pockets, and turned out in horrible weather conditions, to a stadium that in all other respects was 'dry', expressed their disappointment that after waiting 128 years for European football, their manager Steve McClaren yet again treated the competition with disrespect, and turned out another weakened side.

MrAngryInKuwait Posted on 16/9 11:42
re: McCLAREN HITS OUT AT MISSING FANS

The foundations for our current level of success are thanks to the like of Gibson and Parnaby, for the money and the Youth Academy. Like any good construction project, you need the right man as Construction Manager, employing the right tools and right construction methods to finish the project.

We've had Robbo and now McClaren, doing their best, I'm sure. But we're still a long way short of where we should be, with the investment that Gibbo has made in the club. A lot of his money has been wasted, and progress has often been frustrating.

The Customer Is Always Right, is one of the oldest adages un business, and for a good reason. In our case, the customers are staying away. So what does that tell you? They are not happy with the product they are asked to pay for. Standards need to improve, if you want to win those customers back. Not everyone will keep paying for shoddy goods, or shop at a store that doesn't value their custom and give them good value for money.

Borowood Posted on 16/9 11:44
re: McCLAREN HITS OUT AT MISSING FANS

Grantus,
I'd explain on behalf of Tosh or myself, but doubt you have the intelligence to comprehend.

livinglegend Posted on 16/9 11:46
re: McCLAREN HITS OUT AT MISSING FANS

Incomings should be higher than outgoings more than ever now, with record prize moneys and sponsorship savailable. Football has never been richer.

Clubs can control transfer fees and salaries. No-one forces them to spend so much. Of courser, when they do, they hide behind the excuse of 'fan expectation.'

speckyget Posted on 16/9 11:51
re: McCLAREN HITS OUT AT MISSING FANS

Mr Angry, given that we're the most successful we've ever been, do you have any evidence whatsoever to support the assertion that we're not as successful as we should be?

amelvg1 Posted on 16/9 12:00
re: McCLAREN HITS OUT AT MISSING FANS

i think mclaren wants 2 watch what hes saying i was there last nbight but i know alot of people who wouldnt go because of the poor football and looking at last night they were right £20!! to watch a team no one has ever heard of come on. my ticket last year was £15 all the way through. if the team was as half as good as the fans we would be champions every year.

--- Post edited by amelvg1 on 16/9 12:01 ---

grantus Posted on 16/9 12:01
re: McCLAREN HITS OUT AT MISSING FANS

Borowood, give it a try, you never know, i might be able to get me mind around this concept of yours, if not, i could ask someone in the office to dumb it down to a sufficiant level that i can comprehend it. Then I could maybe use them as a interpretor between my retarded self and yours and tosh's magnificent intellects. Or not, maybe you're full of BS and cannot out debate me.

Apply fickle to our fans, go on, do it.

Either way, put up or shut up, boyo.

skiprat Posted on 16/9 12:09
re: McCLAREN HITS OUT AT MISSING FANS

"if the team was as half as good as the fans we would be champions every year."

I think that is the best thing I've ever read on this board.

Please tell me your kidding?

littlejimmy Posted on 16/9 12:11
re: McCLAREN HITS OUT AT MISSING FANS

I heard this story on 5live this morning and just knew it would be a popular subject on here.

Personally, I think SM has slipped up a bit. His statement does sound very critical of the fans. It might have been better for him to say that it was disappointing, but they would have to look into the reasons for the poor attendance.

As for this fickle argument, it's not black and white. There are fans who go to every match. There are fans who go when they can afford it. There are some fans who pick and choose the games. And there are some fans who live in Kuwait/Florida/Kuala Lumpur. To blithely state that all Boro fans are fickle is wide of the mark, IMO.

speckyget Posted on 16/9 12:14
re: McCLAREN HITS OUT AT MISSING FANS

Did he state the fans are fickle?

skiprat Posted on 16/9 12:24
re: McCLAREN HITS OUT AT MISSING FANS

I've not had an answer to the following yet...

If we won 15 - 0, played the other team off the park and had 62 shots, would people pay more AFTER watching that? After all people complain about not getting value for money.

Also, how can people decide BEFORE the game what the line up is going to be and turn round and say "I'm not going if we play a defensive formation". How can you know weeks before the game when tickets are on sale?

grantus Posted on 16/9 12:25
re: McCLAREN HITS OUT AT MISSING FANS

No he didn't but people on the board, leaping to the aid of our under fire leader are calling us, the supporters, the people that this club exists because of, fickle.

I say, prove it, explian how we are a fickle group of supporters. Its time to dispell this myth that is plain and simply untrue.

The_Commisar Posted on 16/9 12:26
re: McCLAREN HITS OUT AT MISSING FANS

MAIK, to pick up on a few points...

We've had Robbo and now McClaren, doing their best, I'm sure. But we're still a long way short of where we should be, with the investment that Gibbo has made in the club. A lot of his money has been wasted, and progress has often been frustrating.

Can you please define where we should be then ?
Top 4 ?
Back to back FA cup wins ?
What ?
Please explain ?
Can you say how where we should be equates with where Arsenal, Chelsea, Villa or Forest, Sheff Wed or Leeds should be ?

The Customer Is Always Right, is one of the oldest adages un business, and for a good reason. In our case, the customers are staying away. So what does that tell you? They are not happy with the product they are asked to pay for. Standards need to improve, if you want to win those customers back. Not everyone will keep paying for shoddy goods, or shop at a store that doesn't value their custom and give them good value for money.

The customer is always right, unless he wants something he isn't prepared to pay for...in which case he (or she) is a chancer out to get something for nowt. So if you want a) a more attractive manager which will cost big bucks (which I am sure you do) b) More attacking players (which I am sure you do) then may I humbly suggest that the best way of doing this is to economicly support the club by attending matches ?

King_Creole Posted on 16/9 12:28
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How can anyone say mcclaren is out of order? He is bang right. Well done for speaking the truth. Last night was a joke and I was embarrassed to be sat at the game with so many empty seats.

Who knows when it will be our last game in Europe? People should be enjoying these vintage days and backing the team. £20 is not a bad price to watch a European football match.

People keep banging on about entertainment. I would happily see us play bad and scrape a 1-0 win every week than play brilliant and lose 5-4. its about results. Winning a cup and finishing 7th in the space of 2 years is not bad going and its about time people woke up and realised this.

So mcclaren is boring? Heís negative? Who cares? Heís taking us forward and thatís what is important.

128 years its taken us to get in Europe! People have watched Boro all there lives and not had the privilege to see this. And yes it is a privilege. Just a shame only 14,000 of us care anymore.

grantus Posted on 16/9 12:37
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If we could play bad and win every week, then everyone would probably settle for it. Its never going to happen though is it??

When we play bad we lose, and we lose regularly, dont we?

When we play well, we win, usually, Tottenham an example of when we didn't. Last night was against a rubbish team, a rare occassion of us playing bad and winning, Villa last year is another that springs to mind.

Thats not how it works though, play well, win. Play poor lose or maybe draw. In the Premiership at least.

Who complained with the performance against Arsenal? We played well, same with Birmingham. Nobody.

littlejimmy Posted on 16/9 12:39
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Get, Specky.

Steve Mac didn't say the fans were fickle. I was referring to the arguments about fickleness on this thread. I should have made that clearer.

Oh, and grantus, there were a few people complaining after Arsenal. Specifically about the substitutions towards the end of the game.

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skiprat Posted on 16/9 12:43
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Grantus, we won last night and there's plenty of people complaining.


yobbo1 Posted on 16/9 12:43
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I agree with Toshino. I also started supporting the Boro in the 60's. Over the years I have heard the same drivel from supposed Boro fans. When we were not in the highest division,the excuse was I will support them when they get into the highest division. When they are in the highest division,the excuse is negative play OR I will support when they win something. So they win something for the first time in their history and the excuse is that I will support them when they play in Europe. When they play in Europe,the excuse is negative play and cost of tickets.
What is the common theme. Easy,they are not Boro fans and never have been. It has nothing to do with cost or the way we play. Thank heavens that we have a chairman that loves the club alot more than that miserable lot. My concern is that having spent a fortune out of his own pocket on this team,that pathetic attendances like last night over time make Steve Gibson lose interest and the inevitable decline happens. Then the excuse for not going will be something along the following: When we have a team as good as the one under Steve McClaren then I will start going again!!

speckyget Posted on 16/9 12:46
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Soz, Jimmy, Non-Big. Read the second para as following on from the first.

Onecan Posted on 16/9 13:12
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I think this is disgraceful - And I think, eventually it will lead to the end of McClaren at the Boro.

Before anyone has a go, Yes I was there last night, but I earn enough to be able to afford it.

How dare McClaren have a go at people who just don't have the means to be able to buy season tickets and go to all cup games also. It's about time that people at MFC realised this.

It is easy to criticise when you are earning massive amounts of cash that puts you way beyond the average man on the street.

The people sticking up for McClaren are only thinking of themselves.

McClaren should withdraw the statement and issue an apology.

The_Commisar Posted on 16/9 13:15
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Mr Can
can you please show (using quotes) just where " McClaren have a go at people who just don't have the means to be able to buy season tickets and go to all cup games also."

He said, and I'm paraphrasing, that he was dissapointed that there where not more people there.

LLPJ Posted on 16/9 13:28
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McLaren obviously wasn't having a go at people who can't afford it. He was having a go at people who simply can't be bothered to go. And it's true. Gibbo has worked so hard to get us where we are today, and half the crowd stays at home???
People bring out the stupidest exscuses; (fair enough if you genuinely can't afford it) McLaren's negative tactics, bad weather, reserve team etc.
But come on wheres the loyalty

skiprat Posted on 16/9 13:29
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Plus, where has he said that he means the people who couldn't afford it?

Or do people beleive that ALL the ones who didn't turn up last night are people who couldn't pay the £20?

sasboro Posted on 16/9 13:30
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gibson has done a lot of this club, but also you cant go knocking the paying customers who also contribute signicicantly to their wages and keeping the club going

Aunt_bessie Posted on 16/9 13:30
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Hmmm the fans that couldn't afford it or the fans that prefered to watch it in Gilzeans getting trolleyed... fickle as fook

skiprat Posted on 16/9 13:33
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WHO HAS SLAGGED OFF THE "PAYING" FANS SAS?!

Grove_Hill_Red Posted on 16/9 13:46
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Seems to me that a lot of people on here don't remember the good old days, when we won nothing, played cr@p, got beaten lots and had poor attendances. I've followed the Boro for 30+ years. I NEVER dreamt - well, not quite true, I |DID DREAM of the Boro winning cups and getting into European competition, BUT I DIDN'T REALLY think it would happen.

WELL IT HAS, and I don't live close enough to be able to get to games anymore and it gut's me. I went to Ostrava to me that was living the dream, you guys up there can live it on a regular basis. FOR GOD's SAKE TAKE A REALITY CHECK. WE THE BORO have NEVER had it so good. We ARE in EUROPE, we have just beaten ARSENAL, last seasson despite a shed load of injuries we finished in our highest EVER positon in the top flight.

Of COURSE McCLAREN is allowed to have a go, why shouldn't he. YOU lot have plenty of go's at him. IF you chuck it you deserve to receive it back.

Now, piddle off and get on with supporting the bloomin team!

Kirkpatrick Posted on 16/9 13:48
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What have SAFC, WBA and MCFC won in previous years?. We won the Carling Cup in 04 which lead to European football and still the stadium isn't full. The fans backed Robbo in 97/8 despite all what happened the year before. Thats because he played attacking football and despite conceding at the other end still perservered with it. Yes that proved to be wrong in the end but North Eastern football fans crave for attacking football. Incomes are low and jobs are not that exciting either in the main. When it comes to match days they want to be entertained. Proves that this area was once a roman empire heartland.

sasboro Posted on 16/9 13:51
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skiprat, hes slagging of the paying fans who go to the league games like season ticket holders who never went last night...you dont bite the hand that feeds you. it will only do more damage as some season ticket holders will think he has no repsect for them

amelvg1 Posted on 16/9 14:56
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im on about if the team was as good as the real fans i know a guy whos been goin for 45 years has a season ticket went to the game at hartlepool where there was only a couple of thousand if that and wont go to games which arent covered by his season ticket. we have a manager who doesnt know whether he wants 2 be at boro or england hasnt signed his contract yet and this arse hole is blaming fans

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grantus Posted on 16/9 15:00
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The argument will rage on. But to reply to a couple of points

People didn't argue about the performance against Arsenal and we were united in the glory of our victory. People questioning the substitions is fair enough. Ive seen us throw away games by taking off attacking players with 10 minutes to go, whilst we were winning. It could of happened again on Saturday. What is wrong with making that point. We got away with it, so not a problem.

Last night ues we won, but Xanthi are rubbish and we could have trownced them if we had got at them. We didn't, that is why some are questioning. Again, we got away with it, so i dont really care.

We wont always get away with it, and then you'll have a go at people for questioning it even though they have raised concerns this time.

Nobody has qualified calling our fans fickle, you all keep throwing it up in the air, but only yobbo1 has given it any sort of creadence and he didn't even use the word fickle because fickle is not what it is.

Its all irrelevent, this is about McClaren being disappointed in the fans. I dont think he has a right to say that. He should be looking at why fans didn't show up and making recomendations/taking action to address.

"It was a shame that the stadium was only 1/2 full. We as a club are currently looking into why this is the case and will be working on capturing the imagination of the local community as we obviously want people to want to be hear cheering on their team in Europe." Wouldn't that have been better?

You dont turn on the supporters in any way shape or form. I can only justify it when people are acting in an unsociable manner and then you addres those people specifically.

Please understand this will not endear him to the people who didn't go last night, which is part of the bloody problem already.

dooderooni Posted on 16/9 16:03
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So McClaren has no right to question last nights attendance but it seems every man and his dog can question his right to do his job as he sees fit?

After all the talk amongst fans about qualifying for europe and gaining our highest ever Premier League finish and points total being the yard stick by which they will judge the club what are McClaren and the club expected to think about last nights non-attendees?

The usual argument is that it is on the TV and that was not so last night, so if it's simply an issue of finances then why not take it up with the club directly and tell them as much. Don't start saying it was about tactics or team selection, tell the club you think it's too expensive to go to games and see where that gets you.

No doubt all this will do is add further fuel to the moaners who will have a go at McClaren for any reason and very little will be done to actually broach the issue of pricing that might not only benefit your fellow fans but also fans of other clubs.

Hello_dave Posted on 16/9 16:11
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First off

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tony - go to bed mate.




Erm i dont see how you can have a go at Tony for voicing his opinion when he actually goes and you don't.You are quick to jump on Maclarens back but wont give any of your time and money to support your team.


Second off,there isn't really anything wrong with what Maclaren has said because it's true but critiscising the fans is silly because A) There are alot of fans that love to moan and aint the brightest candals on the cake and B) most are looking for an excuse to get on his back and now he has given them one.

He would have been better off,giving a veiled put down on the fans by praising the 'real fans' who did bother to turn up.

post_edit Posted on 16/9 16:56
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clever deflection by mac,he selects the team and dictates tactics and in so doing sets the level of entertainment on view...if he expects more people to turn up for early round cup ties he should start by putting his own house in order..on the pitch.(and for gods sake lets have some sensible pricing!)

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grantus Posted on 16/9 16:58
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Just to confirm, Im not looking for an excuse to have a go at McClaren. The way he got his team to react after Charlton was magnificent. Im also a lot more confident about this seasons prospects after seeing Xavier, Rochemback and Maccarone play. Im optimistic again.

Its just that I specifically take offence to the manager of any club making such comments about the supporters. I thought Bruce was just as out of of order about the Bellemy business, more so probably. I dont think it is their place to say it publicly. Its our place to say it publicly because we are the supporters.

and yes, we can have a public opinion about how he does the job, just like anyone else whose job does a service for us, especially one in such a high position. Its the nature of the beast and i think it is fair.

Thats just my opinion like.

roseyred Posted on 16/9 21:51
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when the transfer window closed we all had a pop (some of us privatly) at mclaren because of the lack of signings etc.. Alot of people are now like "fu(k it, why bother going to watch sh1t3?" Il tell you why fellas - if we dont then revenue will drastically drop and we will have to sign players like mikkel beck again and not the world class players we deserve

skiprat Posted on 16/9 22:15
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I bet you boo opposition players all game and then complain to a steward if they score and tell you (with fingers to lips) to shush don't you Grantus?



Why can't McClaren say anything back to the fans? He's human after all with as much right to free speech as any of us.

grantus Posted on 17/9 11:36
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Skiprat, talk sense man.

yeah, I'll boo the opposition and if they score and shush me, fair play to them. They can do what they like. They are the opposition. I hope they do, its all part of the fun. It helps create atmosphere.

Its when our manager does it, our manager, their's can say what he likes about us, i like a bit of bruvado. I thought Id spelt it out simple. Not simple enough for simpletons though, eh?

BobUpndown Posted on 17/9 12:12
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The chairman would be right to feel a let down by the fans.. and I have to say Mc is right in his statement saying as much..

this is our 2nd season in europe.. 14,101 at reduced prices.. not a reflection on Xhanti.. (sp) it's BORO in europe @ the riverside..

personally I couldn't care less who the opponents are.. I turn up to watch Boro.. think most do..

The general problem with football and the CLUBS need to realise this, real soon, is that we are not being entertained but MORE than that.. its EXPENSIVE to follow.. esp.' for families..

English clubs need to look at what foreign clubs do which is include some european or lesser cup games within the price of a season ticket.. not fleece the fans at ALL opportunities..

sasboro Posted on 17/9 12:15
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"Why can't McClaren say anything back to the fans? He's human after all with as much right to free speech as any of us."

I think its soemthing to do with the fans paying his wages. He should atleast be sympathetic with the crowd despite being disappointed. I think wenger said earleir in the week that it's over priced. does a business have a go at its paying customers?

grantus Posted on 17/9 14:21
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Right on Sas. Some folk dont seem to mind what McClaren does or says. I do, he manages OUR Football club, he represents our football club, he represents US. He should be behind us 100%. He should be disappointed in the turn out yes, because he's in a position to influence it, but should be looking at what he can do to fix it.

And as you say, we pay his wages, without the supporters, without football, he wouldn't have a job, he'd probably be trying to flog used cars.

He should be more humble to the supporters, he should be more grateful for what he has and if he has to say something, he should be saying it in a way to encourage more support, not alienate groups of supporters.