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finny Posted on 26/10 20:12
The last straw for me

Supporter for 38 years (most of them fanatical)
Been a season ticket holder for 24 years.
Against portsmouth, on the sat morning, I flew from south west france to stansted, drove to my home nr. Leeds to pick my kids up to get to the game - I can handle all that, It is part of supporting the Boro.
This decision not to allow me into the lottery of getting a ticket for Alkmaar game is, I am afraid, the straw that will break my back.
It goes back on 'promises' made.
And, by the way, the daft thing is I have 5 tickets in the bag from holland withn a further 5 promised.
Unfortunately I am gutted by the clubs decison and will not be renewing mine or my sons season ticket ever.

BobendBill Posted on 26/10 20:15
re: The last straw for me

too late matey ..its in your blood and always will be !


can I have a couple of your tickets then ?

ta

bubblesmfc Posted on 26/10 20:16
re: The last straw for me

Serious question. What promises were made?

smoggieinmanc Posted on 26/10 20:17
re: The last straw for me

there is only 400 tickets, that 2 planes worth, the club are doing the sensible thing, the lottery could mean there would be only a handful of supporters on the club flight and the club would pissing money down the drain!

MKS12176 Posted on 26/10 20:19
re: The last straw for me

on the advice of the police!!!! bullsh;t.......

sasboro Posted on 26/10 20:22
re: The last straw for me

if they did a lottery it would be one ticket per person. then we would see people complaining cos their mates never got a ticket but they did and they had already booked up flights. the fact is when people were booking flight most new we would only get about 400 tickets.

anyway whats the the problem you have 5 tickets for the game, so why not take them and let someone who cant get any tickets otherways have yours you wanted?

400 tickets into about 6,000 fans is about 1 in 12 chance, many people are always going to be p1ssed off.

the club told everyone not to book up the flights until they know the allocation. what more can they do?

yerinmeseatmate Posted on 26/10 20:23
re: The last straw for me

the promises i presume finny is on about is when you renew your season ticket they bleat on about the advantages of being a season ticket holder include priority for away tickets - fact.
I still have the propaganda they sent with this years renewal.

chboro Posted on 26/10 20:23
re: The last straw for me

There's only 400 tickets ffs, the club cannot please everyone.

chboro Posted on 26/10 20:24
re: The last straw for me

How many fans without season tickets stand a chance of getting a ticket? 0 - fact.

sasboro Posted on 26/10 20:25
re: The last straw for me

if you check the official club statement S and T season ticket holders do get priority. at a guess there are 10,000 S and T season ticket holders so how can they all share 400 tickets?

BobendBill Posted on 26/10 20:25
re: The last straw for me

howay Finny just two still leaves 3...........
1 for you and 1 for your lad and we will raffle the other !



sorted !

BobendBill Posted on 26/10 20:26
re: The last straw for me

sas 10000 dont want to go do they ?

sasboro Posted on 26/10 20:27
re: The last straw for me

no but 5,000 might or a S and T season ticket holder might give his voucher to a mate who isnt a season ticket holder. is that fair?

yerinmeseatmate Posted on 26/10 20:31
re: The last straw for me

i am a "s". chances of getting a ticket = zero - fact.
therefore club has broken promises made and backs up finny's statement earlier.
even if i had a 1000/1 chance at least that would be something.
its the club saying "if you don't pay our over-the-top package deal you won't see the game."
the police advice excuse is shyte. this flight is a way of making money if it wasn't about making money they would have still ran the xanthi flight at a loss to reward its loyal fans.

finny Posted on 26/10 20:31
re: The last straw for me

For Banik last year (the only comparison I can think of) - we knew we had more people travelling than tickets.
Those on the flight were not guaranteed tickets.
The promise? On the Official web site Fordy said 'S+T ticket holders would be given priority'.
I never got Banik tickets thru a lottery (got them direct)
I didn't expect to get Alkmaar tickets (so got them direct)
I don't even object to everyone who wants a ticket going into a lottery.
I do object to the club insisting you fly with them in order to get a ticket. The 'police advice' scam is utter nonsense.

OPEO Posted on 26/10 20:33
re: The last straw for me

People will find anything to whinge about.

ccole Posted on 26/10 20:35
re: The last straw for me

I cant believe the bo11oks wrote on here about the Alkmaar tickets. Mostly written by people who arnt/dont even go to european away games, or who are suited to a one day trip.

The only reason the club are doing this is a commercial one, to fill there plane, so that they make money.

Well fook me if I dont kiss the clubs backside over this. 30 years a Boro fan, dreaming of travelling to European away games and having a few days away means fook all.

No one is asking for favours. WE JUST WANT A FAIR CHANCE OF BUYING A MATCH TICKET.

All those that booked knew we didnt have a big chance in getting one, perhaps 1 in 5. But it was a fair chance.

Like I said before, they didnt make that clear in the terms of the season ticket when they were cashing my £500.

Why should I pay the money I do for my season ticket? To watch the best players sit on the bench? Its easy to get away tickets becasue we never sell out, so there is no advantage there. And now some tvvat who may not even be a season ticket holder will get a ticket before me becuase he doesnt mind paying £200 for a flight that you can get for £60?

I have not missed a Euro game yet, but now I wont get a ticket. Someone explain how that is fair?



Do I sound pished off?

BobendBill Posted on 26/10 20:36
re: The last straw for me

SASBORO of course its not fair.
How would you feel 'when' we get to the final or F.A cup final and tickets are gold dust (hyperthetical)and the club says those who travelled with us to Holland are first to bag theirs.
Dont misunderstand me I think the club are in a loose loose situation and its their decision but that S and T thing really AAAAAARGH stop me !

--- Post edited by BobendBill on 26/10 20:38 ---

sasboro Posted on 26/10 20:36
re: The last straw for me

asre you sure those travelling officially werent guaranteed tickets? i'm sure mfc wouldnt fly fans over without tickets?

did you get ostraca tickets in the boro end or home end. it wasnt a problem in ostrava cos the game wasnt a sell out

like i said if it was a lottery and say 4 of you and your mates went in the lottery. before the lottery you booked flights and accommodation. then come the lottery only 1 of you got a ticket. you still gonna go?will your mates still want to go withotu a ticket?

maybe best option is when so few tickets to save the cash form the 3 days trip and beer money and book ont he club flight so you know you will get a ticket. thats if you really want to go to the game and not just a p1ss up.

Piquet2 Posted on 26/10 20:36
re: The last straw for me

A way of making money, how much are they making out of it like?

yerinmeseatmate Posted on 26/10 20:36
re: The last straw for me

some people (like me) will whinge when it totally takes the pi#s.

yerinmeseatmate Posted on 26/10 20:39
re: The last straw for me

ccole - totally agree.
piquet - they are obviously making money out of it or they wouldn't run it in the first place as per xanthi debacle.

sasboro Posted on 26/10 20:39
re: The last straw for me

obviously a lot of fans are frustrated, want to take it out on someone. most knew weeks ago this problem would happen..anyway here is a relevant paragraph from the press release about the priority on tickets:-

"Priority for the ticket and travel package will be given to Boro’s longest-serving season ticket holders who have traveled to most UEFA Cup away games this season and last, irrespective of how they have traveled in the past."

BobendBill Posted on 26/10 20:39
re: The last straw for me

INTERUPTION
GOOOOAL

Piquet2 Posted on 26/10 20:42
re: The last straw for me

Who actually cancelled the Xanthi trip?

BobendBill Posted on 26/10 20:45
re: The last straw for me

The company MFC backheeled the flight to so people like yourself would not put any blame on the holy club !

ccole Posted on 26/10 20:45
re: The last straw for me

sas - that statement you quoted is only if you go on the club trip and pay three times the price I have paid for travel.

The club werent on a loose loose. No one would have moaned if you lost out in a fair result.

borohill Posted on 26/10 20:45
re: The last straw for me

Piquet, rough maths, I have paid £53 so they should make roughly if plane holds 200 £29400x2 =£58800, minus the coaches required say £5K at best. That is not peanuts, they are milking us.

Piquet2 Posted on 26/10 20:45
re: The last straw for me

Yes, did you know that the club offerd to subsidise the Xanthi trip?

Piquet2 Posted on 26/10 20:47
re: The last straw for me

OK BoroHill, go and find out how much it costs to charter a flight as opposed to a scheduled flight.

yerinmeseatmate Posted on 26/10 20:48
re: The last straw for me

sas your missing the point. i knew tickets would be hard to come by but i should have had at least a chance of getting one.

travelcare cancelled - officially appointed by boro to run their trips this year. before you come back, boro should have got some sort of guarantee that they would run the trip or guaranteed it themselves particularly after fordy written in his programme notes about flight options letting the fans down and being the leech on footballs back if my memory serves me right.

yerinmeseatmate Posted on 26/10 20:51
re: The last straw for me

piquet come clean -
do you work for mfc pr dept?
are you are graeme fordy?

Piquet2 Posted on 26/10 20:52
re: The last straw for me

No I was told this by Rob.

borohill Posted on 26/10 20:52
re: The last straw for me

I am not tavelling charter it is low cost, charter will be slightly more expensive per head but not much as long as the flight is full, this is guaranteed to be full so they will make the most out of it. BTW forgot to minus £10K assuming match ticket is £25 but that is still roughly £40K profit, I am sure that could have made the differance for the xanthi lads.

yerinmeseatmate Posted on 26/10 20:57
re: The last straw for me

the thing is like i said in one of my earlier posts.
if the club aren't going to give me a chance to buy a ticket for the away game then i won't be buying tickets for either of the 2 home group games and i know a few more who'll be doing that as well.

BobendBill Posted on 26/10 20:58
re: The last straw for me

and another

daddo Posted on 26/10 21:00
re: The last straw for me

finny you cant give up boro we are all the same in blood come on boro

bryantrousers Posted on 26/10 21:08
re: The last straw for me

Cost of a charter plane approx £40k

blaisesdeej Posted on 26/10 21:48
re: The last straw for me

Last straw for us too-

A big reason for keeping our season tickets was the promise of having a CHANCE to buy hard to come-by tickets such as these.

How do you fill your flights? - like this

How do you treat the fans? with contempt

We've been to all the home UEFA ties and away to Spain last year.

We will be in Holland the week of the Alkmaar game and will be there for the game, as, more than likely, will many others. Lots of other people will stay in Amsterdam. If past experience is anything to go by, it will be a party.

Police advice? I dont think so.

We wont be going to the group matches at home - that's our little protest, Mssrs Fordy/Allan/Lamb

Next season? We'll get Sky in and pick and choose the games we go to, let's face it we don't NEED to scrape £500 each together any more for a season ticket.

I'll always be Boro but now I feel that the club is trying to fleece us and we're not having it.

kay_jay Posted on 26/10 22:23
re: The last straw for me

1st up.. I love the Boro.

I have supported them for over 35 years.

I have had my season ticket since before the Riverside.

I went to 2 European away trips last season, (self organised).

I am seething with this news today. No one at the club guarenteed to organise a trip to Amsterdam, (in the days after the draw), so I organised a trip for 2 nights stay for £170, for 6 RBH, (thinking we would take our chance in the ticket lottery).
I believe 100s/1000s did the same.

The decision today has kicked a lot of RBH in the teeth. I now believe the club do not give a damn about their LOYAL fans, (which I hope they now live to regret).

The idea that this decision was on police advice is strange as it now means that if we draw Roma, and get 3,000 tickets, the club would have to organise 15 planes.

Fans want to travel, at their leisure, and may want an overnight stay, (Lisbon on Wednesday night was brilliant).

Right now I am seriously thinking of not renewing my season ticket next year, (even after the great result tonight).

finny Posted on 27/10 8:20
re: The last straw for me

Oh, and by the way, confirmation from friends in Holland 'It is very unusual for Police to give this advice'!!!!!.
Even if they did it is only 'advice'.
The club never listen to my advice (just as well really)

MyBoro Posted on 27/10 9:05
re: The last straw for me

well boycotting the home uefa games might be the only way to get them to listen. Club should be ashamed of taking away any chance of a ticket to make a quick buck.

ccole Posted on 27/10 9:15
re: The last straw for me

Because of this, if the two home games are on live TV, I will be watching them in the town.

My little protest at the way we have been treated.

MontagueLongfellow Posted on 27/10 9:21
re: The last straw for me

Anyone considered how many tickets will be fairly dished out once the corporate bods have been into the clubs ribs ?

Is everyone aware that for every corporate ticket held, 2 Carling Cup Final tickets were allocated ?

Thats where the clubs loyalty lies.

kay_jay Posted on 27/10 9:54
re: The last straw for me

I have emailed the club to voice by disgust.
I suggest others feeling the same should also let the club know how they feel.

sasboro Posted on 27/10 9:56
re: The last straw for me

next time dont book anything until the club announces ticket details, they did tell the fans this! too many people went out and booked flights and accommodation before the realised how many tickets we would get

MyBoro Posted on 27/10 10:01
re: The last straw for me

sas what are you on about, if you wait for the club to publish details then the prices are always more. If I am travelling to Europe I want to go on more than a daytrip.

Dictating how people travel is a joke.

Any S or T season ticket holder should have an equal chance of a ticket. In the words of Briggsy your a tool of the highest order.

ccole Posted on 27/10 10:09
re: The last straw for me

Sas, stop telling us the club told people not to book travel arrangements. Read peoples post’s properly

The problem is that the club is not giving us a fair chance of a ticket.

Everyone knew we would only get 400 tickets.
Everyone expected Redbook holders to go in a draw for a chance of one.
Everyone knew we would have at best a 4 to 1 chance of a ticket.

No one expect the club to use the tickets to finance the club trip.


That’s what people are not happy about.

gravy_boat Posted on 27/10 10:10
re: The last straw for me

It IS a joke.

The club have made the decision purely on commercial reasons to fill their flight.

How somebody who is prepared to pay through the nose for a bloody day trip to be hearded into the stadium and back out again like sheep can have priority over me there who has owned a season ticket for 15 years because I want to make my own way there is beyond belief, and a total kick in the teeth. Where is my incentive for renewing my season ticket?

What if we were playing Ajax and were awarded 4000 tickets? Would the club take 'police advice' and only give tickets to those going on club flights? Of course not, because they know fine well they would never get 4000 people willing to pay their over the top prices.

I'm fuming.

sasboro Posted on 27/10 10:12
re: The last straw for me

i have no sympathy for you, people like mr lizard new the score and opted for zurich instead

like i say wait until it is announced how many tickets we wil get and how the club will distribute the tickets

in the end if you really want to see the game you would spend 200 quid on the club trip rather than 200 quid ona p1ss up. if it were 400 tickets ina less glamourous place like xanthi then ther wouldnt be any demand

--- Post edited by sasboro on 27/10 10:15 ---

ccole Posted on 27/10 10:24
re: The last straw for me

You either refuse too, or you just can’t grasp the point of people’s frustrations can you?

Do you work in a call centre?

You sound like someone reading pre prepared responses to customer queries. In this case, some one has a problem which is not listed on the script you were given, so you pick the next best reply.

“The club did say not to make your own flight plans Mr Red Book Holder”

MyBoro Posted on 27/10 10:34
re: The last straw for me

SAS, I went to zurich as well. 3 nights away for less than the club day return.

If you think its a fair way to do it, wait until you want to go to an away game and the only way to get a ticket is on the official bus. No prematch drink just sstraight to ground and then away straight after. Great fun you tool

sasboro Posted on 27/10 10:35
re: The last straw for me

but in the end you are there to watch the boro and not to have a 3 day holiday. that is the ultimate aim. whats priority the game or 3 days on the p1ss?

boroboy75 Posted on 27/10 10:36
re: The last straw for me

sas, tone down your patronising preaching.
If you'd actually been to an away match in Europe, your opinion would hold more weight.

sasboro Posted on 27/10 10:38
re: The last straw for me

bb75, it doesnt matter if i have gone to the europeam game or not. in this case the club is getting too much stick on it.

hells_bells83 Posted on 27/10 10:39
re: The last straw for me

the point is, you shouldnt have the choice taken away from you, why cant you go away for a few days AND go to the game

MyBoro Posted on 27/10 10:40
re: The last straw for me

Both, sometimes the game is a let down - villareal reserve team. Others it makes the trip even better - Zurich. Point is if you have the time you can do the trip cheaper and see a bit of the country your visiting.

Stayed in Graz and had a good look around on the Friday, all I saw on the thursday was an Irish bar.

Having now found you've never even been to an away game is about right. WTF do you have an opinion - complete tool.

--- Post edited by MyBoro on 27/10 10:41 ---

piggy_nichol Posted on 27/10 10:44
re: The last straw for me

It all boils down to whether the club is sticking to its promise to give S and T letter Red Book Holders priority.

They are not.

They are giving people who travel on their official flight priority.

They are moving the goalposts.

sasboro Posted on 27/10 10:46
re: The last straw for me

i have been to away games. just cos i havent been to a european away game doesnt make you a better fan! if you were a proper fan you would be happy to go on the club trip just to make sure you get in the ground to watch boro.

In the end lots of people are p1ssed off cos they booked up ages ago without realising what the situation is going to be with the tickets. maybe you should ask manutd fans how the club cope with only 400 tickets for their away european games, how do the club disribute the tickets, i wouldnt be surprised if they use the same method as boro. if they use a different way then write to MFC and then they may change it.

In the end supportring boro isnt just about the glamour ties it's about the whole package and that includes the crap games.

Get behind the club and save your cash for after the group stage

captain5 Posted on 27/10 10:48
re: The last straw for me

As has been said. The club are going back on a promise.

Away tickets in general are a piece of piss to get hold of. The only time having the Red Book and the correct prefix is imporatnt is when demand is at its highest, such as this game.

They are now taking that away, after the event. Be interested to see whether this would constitute grounds for cancellation of season ticket, after all the kerfuffle earlier on in the season.

Piquet2 Posted on 27/10 10:48
re: The last straw for me

I think people would have more sympathy about it all if it was not for the fact that most people have booked to go to Amstedam with no intention of seeing the game, using the boro game as an excuse for a piss up, if people were that intent on seeing boro in Europe why did we sell less than ½ our allocation for Zurich?

hells_bells83 Posted on 27/10 10:49
re: The last straw for me

why wasnt this method made clear to fans then at the start of the season? had it been, then i dont think the club would be facing this backlash now.

the promises they made now clearly look like false promises to get people to buy their season tickets.

MontagueLongfellow Posted on 27/10 10:49
re: The last straw for me

If its going to be the clubs policy to supply tickets for European away legs to fans that only travel with MFC organised trips then they should make that clear and be prepared to provide for ties where there will be a much higher ticket allocation, this of course they won't. They know that they will easily get demand for 400 tickets and thus not have to be that competative.

Can anyone explain why tickets were sold to people who werent travelling with MFC official trips for previous away legs ?

I am not an S or T patron but I believe that all S and T patrons should be given an equal chance of buying a ticket, using the "police advice" is a cop out, was there no "police advice" for previous ties or is it just a coincidence that it suits the club that the number of tickets allocated fits in nicely with what they can manage to arrange for an official trip ?

I'm going anyway, I booked well before the ticket news was announced knowing full well that it was unlikely that I'd get a ticket but the whole idea of getting into Europe is to be able to enjoy the experience not be herded arounded.

Even though giving all S and T patrons an equal chance of getting a ticket does not improve my chances of getting a ticket I still think it should be done. I could personally afford to lose my own travel expenses spent to date and book with the offial trip (with a S or T voucher) but its a matter of principal so I wont. I predict quite a backlash for attendances of the home ties and at season ticket renewal time judging by the comments on here and what I personally think is pi­­­­­ss poor treatment of the clubs supporters.

It'd be interesting to know if the club would be prepared to publicise a list of the successful ticket applicants and where they sit.

ccole Posted on 27/10 10:50
re: The last straw for me

The club are getting stick because not only are they changing the goal posts, but they are also lying to us.

This is a security issue?

Well why are they setting off at 9am and letting 402 Boro fans roam around the city of Alkmaar all day before the game.

How exactly will this action minimise the risk of Boro fans getting attacked like they did in Zurich?

It’s purely commercial decision, to make more money out of the fans, and I ask you to give me any example that shows it’s not the case.

MyBoro Posted on 27/10 10:51
re: The last straw for me

So for all away games SAS your happy that in future YOU MUST TRAVEL with the club

boroboy75 Posted on 27/10 10:51
re: The last straw for me

Piquet, people only had less than two weeks notice to sort something out for the Zurich game.
Not everyone can make arrangements for time off at such short notice.

Piquet2 Posted on 27/10 10:55
re: The last straw for me

Oh come on Boroboy, that's rubbish and you know it, we had people coming on here telling us they'd booked for Amsterdam/Alkmaar an hour after the draw was made.

piggy_nichol Posted on 27/10 10:56
re: The last straw for me

Supporting the Boro is not about backing every decision the clubs administrators make.

Its about wanting us to do well, going to games, cheering on the team, sharing the experience with others.

If the club get things wrong we should speak out. The club are wrong on this one. Tickets should be allocated on a lottery basis with S and T Red book holders given priority.

The club have alienated a large number of long standing supporters with the decision to sell only to people on their official trip.

Why shouldnt we speak out? Why should we get behind the club?

Should we all have cheered good old Charlie Amer 25 years ago?

sasboro Posted on 27/10 10:57
re: The last straw for me

Anyway cant be arse anymore cos your all just p1ssed off that you booked up early and now frustrated cos you cant get a ticket unless you go on the club flight so want to take it out on the club.

the most positive thing you can do is write directly to steve gibson. the more people that write to him the more chance he will respond. who knows next time they may do it differently which may benefit you.

piquet2, and a lot of those that booked up early even said they would be happy to watch it in a bar if they cant get a ticket.

--- Post edited by sasboro on 27/10 10:58 ---

boroboy75 Posted on 27/10 10:57
re: The last straw for me

Yes, but they could give their work seven weeks notice that they wanted time-off.

hells_bells83 Posted on 27/10 11:00
re: The last straw for me

i said it yesterday and i'll say it again, i'm not going, never had plans to go and haven't got anything booked but i can see how the club have let down their fans by going back on their word. i do feel for these fans and its a shame because it could have been easily solved had the club just made their plans clear before people were lied to in order to buy a season ticket.

captain5 Posted on 27/10 11:02
re: The last straw for me

I must admit, if I had been given more notice, I would have had time off to go to Zurich, but it was too soon, so there is something in it, especially those working shifts.

If that had been the second away game, I'd have been going with motown_junk, who couldn't change his shift pattern.

However, a lot of people are going over to Holland because they have either been to Amsterdam before and have enjoyed what they can remember or have friends who have recommended it to them for the same reasons.

Zurich was also considered to be a more expensive option by most.

WilmslowRed Posted on 27/10 11:03
re: The last straw for me

Sas saying 'get behind the club' ...... I've seen it all now.

And I was one of those who said I'd be happy to watch it in a bar and I will go over there and do so, but I was assuming I had an equal / fair shot at getting a ticket. Which now isn't the case.

--- Post edited by WilmslowRed on 27/10 11:07 ---

kay_jay Posted on 27/10 11:16
re: The last straw for me

There are people on this board, (you know who you are), who either are just wind up merchants, work for the club, or are just thick.

Read the threads from the disgruntled fans, the loyal ones, they are getting a raw deal of the club.

Promises, made every June, (when seeking our season ticket money), have been broken. The letter, sent out asking for your £400 intimates we are the fans the club want to look after. Well that is not true anymore.

skiprat Posted on 27/10 11:18
re: The last straw for me

This is also a good 'Sassism'

"In the end supportring boro isnt just about the glamour ties it's about the whole package and that includes the crap games."

All you've said for the last 4 weeks since the draw was made is "Europe is ALL about the glamour ties".

Make your mind up.

captain5 Posted on 27/10 11:19
re: The last straw for me

To be fair, he's using a new fishing rod and he's having trouble getting used to it.

MyBoro Posted on 27/10 11:28
re: The last straw for me

So for all away games SAS your happy that in future YOU MUST TRAVEL with the club?

I ask again as you ignored it the first time

gravy_boat Posted on 27/10 11:28
re: The last straw for me

Its not about picking 'glamour ties'. Its about being able to go to this particular game. I couldn't go to Zurich because of work commitments. I chose not to go to Xanthi because it was just ultimitely too expensive for me.

Those showing loyalty to the clubs coffers through prolonged season ticket commitment should but first on the list.

red_rebel Posted on 27/10 11:33
re: The last straw for me

Sometimes I think teh club go out of their way to deal with thing in most cack-handed, arbitrary and insensitive way possible just to pss us all off. Then refuse to talk about it to compound it.

MyBoro Posted on 27/10 11:35
re: The last straw for me

I hope people boycott the home UEFA ties after this. If they make around £40,000 on the flight then thats only 2000 fans @ £20.

Capybara Posted on 27/10 11:37
re: The last straw for me

In this instance I agree (with red_rebel). It may well be that the decision is the right one but, even if it is, the way they have handled it is, as you say, cack-handed and sure to cause resentment. An announcement should have been made as soon as it was clear that there was only going to be a tiny ticket allocation.

--- Post edited by Capybara on 27/10 11:37 ---

ccole Posted on 27/10 11:41
re: The last straw for me

"It may well be that the decision is the right one"


Can someone please explain to me how it is the "right decision", and right for who?

Capybara Posted on 27/10 11:42
re: The last straw for me

I genuinely don't know if it is the right decision or not. I was merely making the point that, even if it is, it has been handled very badly, that's all.

MyBoro Posted on 27/10 11:43
re: The last straw for me

MFC Customer Charter

3 LOYALTY AND MEMBERSHIP

3.1 The Club rewards the loyalty of Season Ticket holders through the following means:

3.1.1 Red Book holders are given priority booking for big away games when demand for tickets is expected to out-strip supply. On such occasions, Red Book holders are given priority booking over other Season Tickets holders, who in turn are given priority booking over non-Season Ticket holders.

3.1.2 All Season Ticket holders receive a patron number prefixed with a letter which indicates how long they have been a Season Ticket holder. Should Middlesbrough qualify for a high profile cup tie such as a semi-final or final, tickets may be sold giving priority to those who have held Season Tickets the longest, using the letters prefixing patron numbers for guidance.

3.1.3 All Season Ticket holders receive a considerable cash saving over the course of the season, compared to supporters who purchase tickets on a match by match basis.

3.1.4 All Season Ticket holders are guaranteed the same seat for each FA Premier League home fixture.

3.1.5 All Season Ticket holders receive free entry to reserve team games at the Riverside Stadium.

3.2 The Club runs a membership club called Boro Junior Lions for its supporters aged up to 16. Benefits of membership include:

3.2.1 Free entry to reserve team games at the Riverside Stadium.

3.2.2 Discounts on children's clothing and merchandise in the MFC Retail stores.

3.2.3 Entry into a regular draw to be the club's mascot at one of the club's home games.

3.2.4 The opportunity to attend football coaching courses and meetings with Middlesbrough first team players.

3.2.5 A variety of club merchandise.

MyBoro Posted on 27/10 11:44
re: The last straw for me

They appear to have broken thier own customer charter.

kay_jay Posted on 27/10 11:47
re: The last straw for me

I remember queing for Leicester Cup final replay tickets, and everyone saying the club needed to start a new "loyalty reward scheme". This was in 1997. The thoughts were, with todays (then), technology a credit card scheme could work.

We see this in existance today at clubs like Man City, yet at our club they don't appear to want to reward loyalty.

Piquet2 Posted on 27/10 11:52
re: The last straw for me

I know it is not the right decision, in fact I'm of the opinion a season ticket is a season ticket regardless whether it be red, white, S or T. What I find so hypocritical is SOME fans using it as a stick to beat the club with when they had no intention of going to the game in the first place.

MyBoro Posted on 27/10 11:54
re: The last straw for me

start each season - 1pt for every match attended/bought.

Season ticket holders get 19points, but those who go match by match home and away will soon pass 19pts. So if all you get is a season ticket and go to no other games you are no longeer at the front of the queue.

If tickets are in short supply then allocate by lottery

skiprat Posted on 27/10 11:55
re: The last straw for me

With regards to the right decision...

Ultimately, it's the right decision for the club and it's future in the competition.

At least now, should any trouble happen, then Boro can deflect this away from the club, becauae they can comment on "ticketless fans causing the trouble" etc.

Not a good way of going about it, but with such a small allocation there was always going to be a bad reaction to however it turned out.

The_Lizards_Jumpers Posted on 27/10 11:56
re: The last straw for me

But then you are not rewarding the ST holders for coughing up a large wedge at the beginning of the season.

skiprat Posted on 27/10 11:58
re: The last straw for me

I'm not saying I agree with it, just saying that's going to be the clubs stance.

MyBoro Posted on 27/10 11:59
re: The last straw for me

You are rewarding them by them having 19 pointsd on the board to start with. Every additional away game or cup game will give them more points.

At any point in time club knows how many points everyone has, in this case it may be anyone with over 25 points will get a ticket (only 350 say), anyone with over 20 (another 1000) can apply but not guranteed a ticket.

--- Post edited by MyBoro on 27/10 12:00 ---

The_President Posted on 27/10 12:08
re: The last straw for me

what about those people who have been coughing up the season ticket money up front for the last 20 years? Under your point system come the end of a season (i.e. cup semi/final for instance) they wouldn't be at the front of the queue.
These are the people who pay for summer signing etc...

I agree some points system would be good - just needs a bit of thought that's all

--- Post edited by The_President on 27/10 12:09 ---

estonred Posted on 27/10 12:10
re: The last straw for me

I agree with the originator of this post also, its the last straw for myself too as i stated yesterday. If i don't have the choice to even apply for a match ticket because im not on the clubs flight, then they can feck off. No season ticket for me next year. Im boycotting crap home uefa ties, carling cup ties and any other chite games. I'll watch them on sky or them foriegn channels in the pub. Im going to pick and choose the odd exciting or big game that i might wanna attend. Season tickets and loyalty mean nowt these days to this club.

kay_jay Posted on 27/10 12:18
re: The last straw for me

Estonred, you need to let the club know your feelings. do it now whilst you feel this angry.
I emailed this morning, and don't expect them to reply, but they need to hear it from the fans.

ccole Posted on 27/10 12:19
re: The last straw for me

"Ultimately, it's the right decision for the club and it's future in the competition"

No. Due to the fact that these 402 ticket holders will be walking around Alkmaar all day, will not decrease the chance of a repeat of Boro fans getting attacked like they did in Zurich, which was the reason the club/police give for this policy.

swordtrombonefish Posted on 27/10 12:23
re: The last straw for me

Said it before and say it again:

Credit card issued to patrons - no access to ground without one - except to away end.

EVERY time you go to home games or buy tickets for away games it docks money from your account, no go, no pay. Incentive both ways: Club must perform or people stay away, patrons get rewarded by guarantees of tickets on the basis of highest attendance gets first look in.

Card allows discount off merchandise, meals at Riverside restaraunt, etc.

Must admit that I abhor any interference by the club on the right of people to arrange their own transport if they so wish to any venue. SMacks of big brother, though I understand the stance, I think it too restrictive. Club should hand off to third party and take no interest in the transport - or at least not restrict it. Another vote against MFC:CattleBarons Ltd

estonred Posted on 27/10 12:30
re: The last straw for me

Thats one of the things that piss me right off. They didn't even do a trip for the Xanti game!! What if they didnt do a club trip for this game? Then they would have to ignore the police advice and then allocate tickets on a draw basis!! Its only for the fact that there will be a big demand because its holland and therefore they can lay a chartered flight on knowing it will be full. If the demand wasn't there though, they wouldn't fly, therefore have to ignore police advice, if you catch my drift.

skiprat Posted on 27/10 12:37
re: The last straw for me

ccole, if they can prove the fighting had nothing to do with those 402 fans though, then the club is excused (partly) from blame.

MyBoro Posted on 27/10 12:39
re: The last straw for me

With people looking at this and stating they will not renew I see no way how this was a good decision for the club.

ccole Posted on 27/10 12:43
re: The last straw for me

Skip, but the trouble in Zurich was started by locals and fans of FC Zurich, according to the Police in the press.

So how can the clubs action reduce any chance of violence, or am I missing something?

To me, the reasons given for the clubs action, do not support the action taken.

Mr_Bridger Posted on 27/10 12:43
re: The last straw for me

Does the winner of the Boro Jackpot prize have to red book holders S and T? Don't think they should offer tickets when the allocation is only 400

John_Waynes_Jacket Posted on 27/10 13:08
re: The last straw for me

Hope we don't make it to the final ,

UEFA Final (Eindhoven, Netherlands) 10.05.2006 ,

Durham-Tees Valley (tee-hee) will never cope .

bubble_head Posted on 27/10 13:18
re: The last straw for me

I have booked myself on the official flight. Would rather pay a little extra to be guarantee i can watch the game. I go to watch the game not get drunk. I bet when we are in the final you will all be happy to pay £200 for a ticket for a tout then! It is about time people stopped moaning about the club and used their brain and not book up until the club announces ticket details. They did warn fans. Luckily i took notice and so can afford to book myself on the club trip. It is probably good that all these moaners are not on my flight as i want to go there to enjoy the day out. Dont want any of those looking for chew to be on my flight. This is the most successful time as a boro fan yet epople still mpoan about something. When we are back in a lower league will you be happy? I hope to see some of you miserable baastards at alkmaar

ccole Posted on 27/10 13:29
re: The last straw for me

Someone else who has not read the posts by people who are unhappy.

MyBoro Posted on 27/10 13:31
re: The last straw for me

Feck em - no more home cup games then.

MKredleaderOne Posted on 27/10 13:32
re: The last straw for me

Travelcare, should Traveldon'tcare.

I registered with them for the trip to Xanthi, but agfter not hearing from them for over two weeks I withdrew my registration with them. I wasn't suprised when their trip got cancelled.

With such organisation anyone travelling with them will probably arrive at the stadium after the final whistle has gone.

bubble_head Posted on 27/10 13:34
re: The last straw for me

That is another issue. Those maoning about not getting a ticket for AZ alkmaar wont be going to any of the home european game either(with or without AZ alkmaar ticket). I feel sorry for gibson and the manager, they put everyhting into this club and deliver european football and too many fans are only after going for the beer. We have the best manager and chairman in britain

MontagueLongfellow Posted on 27/10 13:34
re: The last straw for me

"I have booked myself on the official flight"

Do you mean you have applied to be on the official flight or are you definitely on it ?

tees_tug Posted on 27/10 13:35
re: The last straw for me

Last chance to go.

"The main prize at this weekend's Manchester United game is a pair of flights, overnight accommodation and match tickets for the game in the Netherlands, which could decide Boro's UEFA Cup fate.

With many fans unable to buy tickets for the game in Alkmaar's 8,419-capacity Akmaarderhout stadium, buying a Boro Jackpot ticket for just £1 looks the best bet to be assured of a ticket.

The Jackpot winner will travel to Holland with the team and members of the media, staying in an Alkmaar hotel the night before the game, before enjoying a day of sight-seeing in the build-up to the big match. "

MyBoro Posted on 27/10 13:36
re: The last straw for me

Went to last years UEFA final in Lisbon and it wasn't £200 a ticket. having been to a previous final I suppose I get priority for future finals

littledick Posted on 27/10 13:44
re: The last straw for me

bubble head

You are only in a "lottery", you are not "booked"

bubble_head Posted on 27/10 13:48
re: The last straw for me

Nope, booked up 1st come first served. Others should spend £100 on entering the lottery for the prizee of being on the club flight with a ticket.

hells_bells83 Posted on 27/10 13:48
re: The last straw for me

"What I find so hypocritical is SOME fans using it as a stick to beat the club with when they had no intention of going to the game in the first place."

this may have been aimed at me as i said im not going to the game but annoyed by the desicion, what about those people who are not going to the game but are backing the club? does their opinion hold more worth?

the only reason i cant go to the game is because of work, had i been able to get time off i would be in the same situation as many are now. also, i know a few people who have pre-booked and im upset and angered for them.

why should i not be angry that the club have gone back on their promise.

ccole Posted on 27/10 13:56
re: The last straw for me

"Those maoning about not getting a ticket for AZ alkmaar wont be going to any of the home european game either"

Bubble-head (what do you normaly post under) Can you please show me where people are moaning about not getting a ticket because I can only see people moaning about not having an equal chance of getting a ticket.

As for two days getting pished, I was looking forward a morning wandering around Anne Frank’s house, the afternoon in the Rembrandt Museum, and a trip to the tulip field the following day.

I suppose that makes me a bad supporter for wanting to sample another European City while visiting with the Boro.

--- Post edited by ccole on 27/10 14:00 ---

gravy_boat Posted on 27/10 13:56
re: The last straw for me

Bubble-head. What an appropriate name.

You totally and utterly miss the point. I bkd up my own flights in the knowledge that I may not get a ticket, but being a T patron season ticket holder felt I had a good chance.

The clubs decision has meant that many season tickets holders, including myself in my fifteenth year as one, don't even have the option of applying for a ticket for a Boro game. It stinks.

Its not about 'police advice', its about filling the plane they've already paid for.

Where are the incentives of being a season ticket holder?

And I've e-mailed the club to say as much. I'm not a 'moaner', and have never felt it necessary to contact the club to complain before. This is a step too far.

Oh, and the best manager in Britain? Do me a favour.

Kilburn Posted on 27/10 13:57
re: The last straw for me

Why have a go at the club over this?

They have to follow police advice. They don't have a choice.

By all means criticise the police for misunderstanding the situation and advising badly, but the only way the club are to blame is if:

1. The club have lied about the advice they were given.

This is very unlikely, because the police would just come out and say "we didn't tell them that".

2. The club told the police what advice to issue.

Again, very unlikely. What influence would the club have over Middlesbrough police, never mind the Dutch police?


Yes, the club benefit financially from following police advice in this case, but there have been times in the past when they have lost out on revenue because of having to follow police advice.

ccole Posted on 27/10 14:04
re: The last straw for me

Kilburn, I have asked this before, but no one has answered. perhaps you can have a go.


...but the trouble in Zurich was started by locals and fans of FC Zurich, according to the Police in the press.

So how can the clubs action reduce any chance of violence, or am I missing something?

To me, the reasons given for the clubs action, do not support the action taken. For all away games, the club as name of all those given tickets. Once in Holland, the 402 can go were they wish, so why insist they all fly together?

--- Post edited by ccole on 27/10 14:05 ---

Kilburn Posted on 27/10 14:11
re: The last straw for me

I agree ccole, the police advice in this case seems to miss the point, and I can't see how it would have any effect on reducing the chances of trouble, given that loads of people have booked to go already, regardless of whether they get tickets.

However, unless the club are telling a barefaced lie about the advice they have been given, that is the advice that they have to follow.

MontagueLongfellow Posted on 27/10 14:15
re: The last straw for me

I find it strange that the club werent given this advice by the police for previous away ties in Europe ?

Anyone else ?

kay_jay Posted on 27/10 14:18
re: The last straw for me

Why do the club have to follow this advice.

There are already 2,000 fans are going, so the chance is the 405 on the official flight could be extra.

Having a club flight increases the number of ticketless fans roaming around Holland. This is a bigger security risk.

Mr_Bridger Posted on 27/10 14:21
re: The last straw for me

Club trip arrives Amsterdam 11:00, then Alkmaar 11:45.
Depart for ground 5:15. Will everyone be expected to stay in the same bar to be safe??

Kilburn Posted on 27/10 14:28
re: The last straw for me

I remember there were various bits of police advice posted before the Banik game. As I understand it, clubs have to consult with the police before every continental trip.

They have to follow whatever the police advise because of the deep shlt they would be in if they ignored it and then it kicked off.

holgate69 Posted on 27/10 14:48
re: The last straw for me

Stop being so bleeding naive you lot. We all knew the club would put a trip on for this tie. They knew the demand was there and could not resist the opportunity to make a few quid..
Police advice my bottom, they are hiding behind that. As someone as already said on here if it is on police advice why would they fly out so early leaving fans all day to go “sightseeing”. How many fans will be going to see the Tulips and Windmills of Holland?.
The club don’t give a c_rap about us the fans it’s about making money and squeezing every last penny out of us any way that they can, i.e.; Boro brick roads etc.

If they really cared about fans the flight would of gone ahead to Xanthi.

I agree with K_J that everyone who has planned to go email the club and let them know you feeling. Lets see how the mighty Boro P R machine struggles to explain how yet again it’s got itself into the c_rap.

Link: We are not happy

The_Lizards_Jumpers Posted on 27/10 14:52
re: The last straw for me

"it’s about making money and squeezing every last penny out of us any way that they can, i.e.; Boro brick roads etc."


1) The Brick Road thing was completey optional, no one had a gun at your head forcing you to buy anything. It mystifys me how you can complain about that !

2) The club needs money in order to pay the wages of Southgate, Yakubu, Boateng etc. If you dont like it, I assume you would be happy to have a squad like Sunderlands and the football that comes with it ? - Thought not !

rob_fmttm Posted on 27/10 14:54
re: The last straw for me

I've seen the press release issued by Cleveland Constabulary advising after the incidents with Zurich that everyone should travel together. When you apportion blame you should also look to certain voices in the local and national media who were quick to (over) react to trouble in Zurich and sensationalise. The seeds were sewn in Ostrava of course where Mbrough were fined and tarnished and again much of the blame for this must fall at the feet or column inches of media that didn't bother to get the facts straight before diving in and jumping to their own conclusions.

--- Post edited by rob_fmttm on 27/10 14:54 ---

Kilburn Posted on 27/10 14:54
re: The last straw for me

If it isn't on police advice, explain this.

Link: Cleveland Police.

The_Lizards_Jumpers Posted on 27/10 14:55
re: The last straw for me

Forgery, put there by the cunning Mr Fordy !

Kilburn Posted on 27/10 14:56
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captain5 Posted on 27/10 14:57
re: The last straw for me

Well, it does say that is guaranteed.

sasboro Posted on 27/10 14:58
re: The last straw for me

rob, is it true for the xanthi flight mfc were willing to subsidise some of teh flight to try to get it go?

if dutch police want the fans in one lump then there is not much else you can do really. If you say no, then you might not get any tickets

MontagueLongfellow Posted on 27/10 14:59
re: The last straw for me

Why are Cleveland Police poking their noses into this yet not away games in the Premiership ?

Its an ar­­­­­­­­se covering excercise.

boroboy75 Posted on 27/10 15:02
re: The last straw for me

Cleveland Police should concentrate on the behaviour of their own officers when they go on jaunts abroad. Pissing against palace walls, for example.

rob_fmttm Posted on 27/10 15:02
re: The last straw for me

I believe so sas. Of course I have no written evidence and I don't know how much we are talking about either.

I'd really hate this to be a precedent Sas - and it is totally naive of the authorities to believe it will have any effect anyway. The police over here know fine well that all the ferries and flights are fully booked and people are not going to cancel at this late stage. So, the Dutch police must know this as well. They have to hope all the Boro stay in Amsterdam - I guess there are one or two distractions that could hold everyone's attention in that pretty city.

sasboro Posted on 27/10 15:03
re: The last straw for me

I guess cleveland police are involved cos for football games between team of other countries the police forces of both countries work together.

Rob, i think it boils down to only wanting to look after the fans who have tickets in the away end. With germany round the corner and us hoping to bid for a world cup soon the FA and government dont want anything to to tarnish the image of english football. Not saying there wil be any problems, but they wont want to risk it. anyone travelling independently isnt the responsibility fo the clubs. There coul dbe a lot of politics going on behind the scenes we dont here about. who knows?maybe just be going ovet the top.

--- Post edited by sasboro on 27/10 15:07 ---

piggy_nichol Posted on 27/10 15:03
re: The last straw for me

Its a jolly for them.

The more hysteria they generate over the potential for mishaps, the more of them that get to go and the more important they feel.

See how many of them want to travel to Portsmouth.

littledick Posted on 27/10 15:11
re: The last straw for me

They keep referring to the trouble in Zurich; anyone who saw it knows that "spin" has been put on it, to justify the words now re: Alkmaar

How does keeping the 408 together in an organised trip, stop any repeat of what we saw in Zurich.

boroboy75 Posted on 27/10 15:13
re: The last straw for me

They'll have Freddie Boswell, and a few other self-important stewards to protect them.

Piquet2 Posted on 27/10 15:52
re: The last straw for me

No Helen, it wasn't aimed at you, it was aimed at fans who booked to go to Amsterdam with no intention of going to the game.

hells_bells83 Posted on 27/10 16:32
re: The last straw for me

thats ok then

hells_bells83 Posted on 27/10 16:53
re: The last straw for me

by the way, when did we become on first name terms?

captain5 Posted on 27/10 16:57
re: The last straw for me

I would never be as forward, Ms Bells.

hells_bells83 Posted on 27/10 16:59
re: The last straw for me

a true gentleman Mr 5!

blotonthelandscape Posted on 27/10 17:05
re: The last straw for me

400 into 2000 doesn't go no matter what system is used. Use your initiative and get a ticket by other means and stop moaning.

Piquet2 Posted on 27/10 17:26
re: The last straw for me

On Soulseek I think

hells_bells83 Posted on 27/10 17:36
re: The last straw for me

ah yes soulseek! i will let you off!

finny Posted on 27/10 20:02
re: The last straw for me

Blot - as I have said I have got my tickets.
I'm still v angry at the way the club have handled it. They 'promised' me as a long standing red book holder I would get priority. That aint happening.
Unfortunately I have only got 5 tickets so far (another 3 promised) but there are 21 of us red book S+T lads and lasses who aren't getting a chance cos we wouldn't go with the cub.
That, for me, is v wrong. I've written to Gibbo and will happily share his response should I get one.

The_COAT Posted on 30/10 1:13
re: The last straw for me

Go on then finny, repeat what you said to me at half time...*MASSIVE SMILE*

sasboro Posted on 30/10 1:20
re: The last straw for me

I was int he pub today and this bloke said to me about this stuff

of the situation. It's as clear as day. "They keep referring to the trouble in Zurich; anyone who saw it knows that 'spin' has been put on it, to justify the words now re: Alkmaar. How does keeping the 408 together in an organised trip, stop any repeat of what we saw in Zurich." Spot on.

Revol_Tees Posted on 30/10 1:25
re: The last straw for me

littledick is absolutely right with his analysis of the situation. It's as clear as day. "They keep referring to the trouble in Zurich; anyone who saw it knows that 'spin' has been put on it, to justify the words now re: Alkmaar. How does keeping the 408 together in an organised trip, stop any repeat of what we saw in Zurich." Spot on.

sasboro Posted on 30/10 1:39
re: The last straw for me

finny, stop taking the p1ss! youve got your tickets there are many lads p1ssed off who havent got them!Please stop rubbing it in and trying to wind them up. If you are that agreaved there are many people who will take your tickets off your hands.

if like you say you will not be renewing then as a good gesture, i suggest those tickets your have obtained then consider giving them to some real fans who will have season tickets next season.

Supporting boro isnt just about goign to the galmour games it's about going to the crap games.Anyone can want to go to the glamour games.

I am sure but next season you will renew your season ticket when we win the carling cup this season

finny Posted on 30/10 12:12
re: The last straw for me

Dont mean to take the P***. Just unhappy at the way all those long standing fans have been treated on this one. I'm fortunate enough to be able to get some tickets (not enough for all the lads I go with) there are many who relied on their red books for a chance. That chance has been taken away unless, of course you go with the club.
The only way I will change my mind (despite what I said at half time yesterday - smiley thing) is pressure from my kids. So far there is none. After all, yesterday I could have strolled up to the ground 15 mins before kick off and got in.

juninho_the_legend Posted on 5/12 17:10
re: The last straw for me

moaning git phook off back to france

finny Posted on 6/12 9:46
re: The last straw for me

Fascinating articulate response. Next time I suggest you get yer mam to give you a hand putting together a decent sentence. Silly little ra..ra

ccole Posted on 6/12 9:57
re: The last straw for me

Finny, they are quite a few people pished off over the way we were treated over this.

My protest is not to take me or the lad to the two group home games. Thats £80 kept in my pocket and not put in the clubs. Iknow they wont have to sell Viduka because of it, but it makes me feel a little better.

bandito Posted on 6/12 14:05
re: The last straw for me

fkin ell, you'll be on the picket line next with your DONT GO Placards. Get a grip you petty old washer women!

skiprat Posted on 6/12 14:08
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sasboro Posted on 6/12 14:09
re: The last straw for me

finney, are you still not renewing next year are will you wait to see if we win the carling cup first

bandito Posted on 6/12 14:11
re: The last straw for me

of course he'll renew. He's just letting a bit of steam out of his lugs.

Azedarac Posted on 6/12 14:21
re: The last straw for me

Loyalty schemes are open to abuse too. I know a Man Utd season ticket holder who's been to every match they've played for the past 15 years, League, Cup and European. Or at least he has as far as their ticket office is concerned.

To be fair to him he does go to a fair few away and European matches, but when he can't make it he still buys a ticket and sells it on. That way he's always in the front-runners for any hard to get tickets.

It still sounds a better scheme than only selling tickets as part of a travel package though. I remember a couple of seasons Stoke were playing at Derby, and Stoke fans could only get a match ticket if they travelled on the club coaches. What would normally have been 3,000+ away fans ended up a fraction of that. You also ended up with the bizarre situation of a Stoke fan who lived in Derby having to travel to Stoke, get on a coach to travel back to the match in Derby, and after the match getting herded on the coaches again and sent back to Stoke.