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guyb Posted on 30/10 15:16
Burglar dies after fall in Stockton

From PA - Is it wrong to laugh and think "good" after reading this?

BURGLAR DIES IN 60FT WINDOW PLUNGE
By Paul Watson, PA
A burglar died early today after falling 60ft from a window above a clothes
shop, police said.
His accomplice suffered an arm injury after apparently landing on top of his partner-in-crime and is now under arrest in hospital.

Police said it appeared the two had tried to escape from the premises and after the first man fell, the other also tumbled out of the unoccupied business premises, landing on top of him.

The incident happened above Berties clothes shop, in High Street, Stockton, on Saturday night.

Cleveland Police said they were alerted to the two men lying on the pavement, The first man, aged 35, had suffered head injuries and the second, aged 22, suffered an arm injury.

Both were taken to North Tees Hospital where the surviving man is under Arrest.

Inspector Paul Pickering, of Cleveland Police, said: "One man was discovered outside the premises with serious head injuries and a second man, who had apparently landed on the first, suffering from an arm injury. "Both males had fallen from a height of about 60ft. "From the outset it would appear this incident was the result of an unfortunate accident while the men were exiting the premises after committing a burglary.

"However, the exact circumstances are still being investigated."
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zaphod Posted on 30/10 15:18
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Death for burglary is a bit of a harsh sentence.

CHEESE_PIES Posted on 30/10 15:20
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Anyone committing any crime, should be prepared to face/accept whatever consequences (even accidental) they come across, IMHO

Tough, I say

clarkyson1 Posted on 30/10 15:40
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A classic case of break and exiting!

Otley_Boro_Fan Posted on 30/10 15:40
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I wont be loosing any sleep over it.

Big_Shot Posted on 30/10 15:41
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Sounds like something that would happen to Laurel and Hardy

Tillerman93 Posted on 30/10 15:42
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Bit harsh. Burglars and thieves are pretty desperate people, but death is a bit tough.

To be honest I would have no qualms with having Jeffrey Archer and the Royal Family all being lined up, and publicly shot at dawn by a firing squad. Now thats justice!

Otley_Boro_Fan Posted on 30/10 15:44
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Tillerman: sounds good to me ... can I watch please?

MontagueLongfellow Posted on 30/10 15:46
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"after apparently landing on top of his partner-in-crime !

guyb Posted on 30/10 15:52
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I'll qualify my statement - Obviously I don't advocate the death sentence for thieves or burglars (or anybody for that matter) but if you do stuff like this then on your own (or your mates) head be it.

Tillerman93 Posted on 30/10 15:58
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Hmmm, some blagger climbs a building to half inch a few goods which he can sell on the streets to feed whatever habit he has and then gets killed in the process. Sad if you ask me.

I dont like thieves, and I would never do steal anything. But I accept thieves, they are a part of the fabric of our society, and have been for many years.
Death to petty criminals is a bit much really, afterall, they are somebody's sons and family.

Otley_Boro_Fan Posted on 30/10 16:01
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Just for the record, I was refering to the "Jeffrey Archer and the Royal Family" suggestion.

Tillerman93 Posted on 30/10 16:02
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Otley, yes, ive got you front row seats and a renewed membership in the UK Anarchists.

Private_Fraser Posted on 30/10 16:15
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We should brand their foreheads whit "thief" and send them to Australia.

Otley_Boro_Fan Posted on 30/10 16:53
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northantsred Posted on 30/10 17:16
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The death penalty for burglary, now there's a thought........me thinks it wouldn't take very long to rid the country of all crime if this sort of thing could be adopted!

jam_the_parmo Posted on 30/10 17:17
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Otley_boro_fan you have to be the biggest prlck i have ever come accross.


So because a lad is a thief you are not arsed he died? Double standards from Mr 'pc' himself.


nobber.

Tillerman93 Posted on 30/10 17:30
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I think you have got the wrong end of the stick there Mr Parmo.

Otley_Boro_Fan Posted on 30/10 17:35
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Ahhhhh, it's me old mucker Mr Parmo himself!

Tell me ... have you had the brain transplant yet?

jam_the_parmo Posted on 30/10 17:38
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A funny man aswell.


Haven't you got some under age drinkers to be telling off? Or an article to write about the effects of violent computer games.


ps how is the campaign to ban 'white' boards going?

Otley_Boro_Fan Posted on 30/10 17:40
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No, it's no good. You'll have to explain it to me because I haven't got a fookin clue what you are talking about.

jam_the_parmo Posted on 30/10 17:43
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Ah right so not only are you politically correct but also as thick as 3 day old gravy?

Grumpy_Paul Posted on 30/10 17:44
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Too many lives destroyed by burglars for me to feel one iota of sympathy for the scum. In a past life I used to settle insurance claims and some victims (and I do mean victims) of burglary never fully recover from the experience.

Tillerman
'Burglars and thieves are pretty desperate people'

No, they are just selfish scum

Otley_Boro_Fan Posted on 30/10 17:45
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JTP: I suggest you take note of Tillerman's most recent post before you make yourself look even more stupid than you do already (if that is possible).

--- Post edited by Otley_Boro_Fan on 30/10 17:46 ---

DefinatelyMaybe Posted on 30/10 17:45
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Jam_the_Parmo oh how the board laughs at O_B_F's life. Can I just say, I find it sick people laugh or take satisfaction from people dying.

Otley_Boro_Fan Posted on 30/10 17:48
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Oh here we go, another turd surfaces.

Why don't you go and join JTP, he likes to threaten to knife people you know.

jam_the_parmo Posted on 30/10 17:49
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No not at all sunshine,i will not agree that just because a lad is a thief he deserves to die and although these people may have had a rough time due to being burgled,i very much doubt thier lifes have been ruined.For someone as overly politically correct as you to say you have no remorse for this person falling to his death is not only shocking but also hypocritical.

DefinatelyMaybe Posted on 30/10 17:51
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Fancy a cyber pint O_B_F oh dear me, you do amuse me.

jam_the_parmo Posted on 30/10 17:52
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Oh here we go, another turd surfaces.

Why don't you go and join JTP, he likes to threaten to knife people you know.





Well yes actually i was having a bit of banter with a geordie,who said all Boro fans are kiddy fiddlers and i returned with a comment about wanting to stab all geordies infront of thier parents,the lad i said it too laughed,it was clear it was a joke at only aimed at him in the context i knew he'd laugh at.The our pal here started crying about it and got on my case about it everytime i posted for months.

Otley_Boro_Fan Posted on 30/10 17:55
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"No not at all sunshine,i will not agree that just because a lad is a thief he deserves to die" I didn't say that.

"and although these people may have had a rough time due to being burgled,i very much doubt thier lifes have been ruined" How on earth would you know?

"For someone as overly politically correct as you to say you have no remorse for this person falling to his death is not only shocking but also hypocritical" I am not overly PC, in addition I didn't say that.

I did say that I wouldn't loose any sleep over it, and that is true ... I wont.

Now shall we deal in facts or do you want to carry on mis-quoting me?

Otley_Boro_Fan Posted on 30/10 17:57
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No ta, I'm very choosey who I sup with padders.

DefinatelyMaybe Posted on 30/10 17:59
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Do you masterbate whilst talking to jax?

jam_the_parmo Posted on 30/10 18:00
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Well i just can't believe that someone would have thier lifes ruined by being burgled,yes it wouldn't be very nice and for a while it could cause them problems but to say thier life had been ruined is a little extream wouldn't you say?


Maybe you didn't say they deserved to die but the way you said " i wont lose any sleep over it" implied to me that you thought it was just.Maybe you weren't saying that but from reading other posts from you this is what i have been led to believe from you.

Otley_Boro_Fan Posted on 30/10 18:00
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Yes sometimes, I find it quite stimulating.

DefinatelyMaybe Posted on 30/10 18:01
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sick pervert.

Otley_Boro_Fan Posted on 30/10 18:05
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JTP: Maybe, just maybe, you should read what people actually post before getting on their case.

For the record, I let the incident on the TOTT board "go" ages ago. It's you who seemed to come out looking for a fight tonight, not me.

I thought we had kissed and made up anyway

jam_the_parmo Posted on 30/10 18:06
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No i think you're a nobber tbf.

Otley_Boro_Fan Posted on 30/10 18:09
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Oh come on, we could have a quick one behind the wheelie bins if you fancy.

DefinatelyMaybe Posted on 30/10 18:16
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He's playing the gay card now... a strategy which I have adopted on many occasions. If J_T_P turns you down I would quite like to... so just pass on your details to me, i'll bring the vaseline and sand.

Otley_Boro_Fan Posted on 30/10 18:20
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Vaseline AND sand eh?

Well I may not fancy having a pint with you, but a shag is a shag.

DefinatelyMaybe Posted on 30/10 18:21
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jam_the_parmo Posted on 30/10 18:27
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The kind of stabing i'd like to give you,is not the kind you are looking for.

Grumpy_Paul Posted on 30/10 18:29
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Mr parmo
"and although these people may have had a rough time due to being burgled,i very much doubt thier lifes have been ruined."

You obviously do not understand the implications and consequences of burglary beyond the material side of things.
Some victims feel the need to uproot and move house as they feel 'dirtied', particularly women.
On woman I dealt with described her feelings as 'being raped in a strange kind of way'. This was an everyday sensible woman not some hysterical air head.

No sympathy for the thieving scum.

--- Post edited by Grumpy_Paul on 30/10 18:30 ---

jam_the_parmo Posted on 30/10 18:35
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In all fairness i just used this as an excuse to have a barney with Otley_boro_fan.


However i still can not accept that being burgled ruins peoples lifes.It may cause them un-rest for a few months,maybe even a couple of years but ruin thier lifes,no i'm not having that.

I also think it's a great tragedy and feel remorse for the lad and his family.

sasboro Posted on 30/10 18:54
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When i read about a burglar dying I laughed. I have no sympathy for him or any other burglar. It's his choice to have a life of crime. Wonder if it knocks any sensse itno his partner in crime and he decides to go straight? I very much doubt it. I hate buglars as they cost me a few hundred quid a year in renewing my house insurance. How much better would the world be without burglars?

MontagueLongfellow Posted on 30/10 19:04
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"However i still can not accept that being burgled ruins peoples lifes"

You wait til it happens to you and you find out 6 weeks later that the only reason they didnt take your toothbrush was cos they scrubbed their sphincters with it

BobUpndown Posted on 30/10 19:04
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fek the scum.. 'they have a habit to feed' so that makes stealing other peoples hard earned good ok..

we have a welfare state.. my taxes pay for their housing, food and bills.. it IS, a comparative, easy life.. there is no need to steal in this country except for greed and they are low life scum..

yes death is harsh, but tough!

jam_the_parmo Posted on 30/10 19:14
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"However i still can not accept that being burgled ruins peoples lifes"

You wait til it happens to you and you find out 6 weeks later that the only reason they didnt take your toothbrush was cos they scrubbed their sphincters with it


A) that would not ruin my life and B) Anyone that would not throw away thier toothbrush after being burgled,deserves that happening to them for being so thick.


Say a family member of yours died whilst burgling,would you still feel the same then? If so you are a liar.

BigBadSteve Posted on 30/10 19:19
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jam_the_parmo

My family members are not burglars. If I caught a burglar in my house or my elderly parents house I would quite happily throw him from a first floor window or push him down the stairs, if as a result he dies then so be it. You'll be defending rapists and murderers next.

MontagueLongfellow Posted on 30/10 19:25
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Good point Steven, I wonder where Mr parmo draws the line, if a child killer gets tortured and killed should you feel sorry for him ?

If a relative of mine was screwing houses I'd kill the terwat meself, although this is unlikely due to the family milliones.

BigBadSteve Posted on 30/10 19:28
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Steven? Only my mam calls me Steven.

MontagueLongfellow Posted on 30/10 19:34
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Everyone should on a Sunday

janplanner Posted on 30/10 19:36
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i have no sympathy for anyone who thinks they have the right to just take what other people work hard for. i'm not saying i'm glad he's dead, but he put himself at risk by choosing to theive rather than work for a living.

Tillerman93 Posted on 30/10 19:40
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Whoaaaa there tigers! Has'nt this got a little bit out of hand.

I mean come on, I wouldnt particularly socialise with burglars, thieves and your average toerags, but to make light and jest about death is taking it to the extreme.

Its not funny, its not clever, its regrettable.

A young fella has lost his life. Given another time, another day and another break in life, this guy maybe would never have been in that situation, and, thats unlucky for him.

When you wrap up warm tonight in your nice duvet, with your decent standard of living and your littel jobs. Spare a thought for the poor feckers who have to live their lives in such a low way, and as Morrissey said 'Shoplifters of the world unite'!

sasboro Posted on 30/10 19:43
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what next? having sympathy for a armed drug dealer who died in a drive by shooting?

i bet this burglar would have been happy to beat someone unconcious if it meant he could get away without being caught

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BournemouthRed Posted on 30/10 19:44
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you're all burglars aren't you ?

mattrich Posted on 30/10 19:46
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no sympathy, he got what he deserved, trying to bring misery to other peoples lives, lets hope his death was a painful one, and i will remeber to avoid the gazzette this week when his mother or partner try to tell everyone what a lovely lad he was.

BigBadSteve Posted on 30/10 19:55
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Jan

I am glad he's dead, firstly he'll never ever burgle anyone again and he won't cost tax-payers any more money.

billybalfour Posted on 30/10 20:03
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put me down for a glad vote, scutter

reynarddasilva Posted on 30/10 21:46
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I personally know of people who have been burgled and their lives have been affected so badly. It is the 'dirty feeling' as mentioned before, the fear of returning to their house if they feel that it has happened again and also the loss of personal items which have no monetary value, but can never be replaced.

ormesbyred Posted on 30/10 23:20
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Youll get the usual token comments in the gazette from the parents, "he was a loveable rogue, he meant no harm to anyone"

Good riddance.

Tillerman93 Posted on 30/10 23:34
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Fook, we live in a weird society. You'll be shouting death to parking offenders next.

The_Tea_Lady Posted on 30/10 23:37
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Death to parking offenders!!!

fatknackerlardarse Posted on 30/10 23:37
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"Death to all parking offenders, especially ones that park in disabled parking bays, but dont even have a limp"

littlejimmy Posted on 30/10 23:40
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Definitely to them b'stards, fatone.

Timboi Posted on 30/10 23:41
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Some people here are a little on the self-righteous side. I don't like people thieving but to be happy about a death for a little half-inching is disgusting.
Are all the zero-tolerance mob not guilty of ever committing a crime (including jay-walking or speeding - I'm not necessarily comparing thse crimes but merely pointing out that before people get on their high horses about crime in general, perhaps consider it's unlikely there's anyone here who never commits some sort of crime)?
It's a sad world when people can honestly say they're glad that one of these people were killed IMO. What if one of these people had been your son/brother/mate? There are many reasons why people go down some dodgy paths - it doesn't mean they will be forever scum.

The_Tea_Lady Posted on 30/10 23:51
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bollox, string the coonts up.

neiltrodden Posted on 30/10 23:52
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To be fair, not all disabled people have limps.

littlejimmy Posted on 30/10 23:54
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I have a limp. And a disabled badge.

Well said Timboi. That's exactly how I feel. It's amazing how many people on here think they're fit to pass judgement so quickly and easily without the slightest bit of thought.

fatknackerlardarse Posted on 30/10 23:55
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We know that Neil, I was aiming my thoughts at the able bodied person that parks there and doesnt even have the decency to limp a little, to justify being there.

The_Tea_Lady Posted on 30/10 23:55
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Oh no ...........

neiltrodden Posted on 30/10 23:55
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Oh no???

The_Tea_Lady Posted on 30/10 23:58
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Oh no, oh no, oh no!

sasboro Posted on 31/10 0:00
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have you seen all those people that park in the disabled bays at teesside park?

fatknackerlardarse Posted on 31/10 0:03
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Jimmy, the only thought I have is that, had they not been there in the first place, he would still be alive.

He only has himself to blame and gets absolutely no sympathy off me or many other posters, who have had the misfortune to have been burgled, or know someone who has been left in such a traumatised state, that they have had to move or live in fear of it happening again.
it is no pretty sight, watching an old person return to their home, shaking and crying because of these scum.

neiltrodden Posted on 31/10 0:08
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My gf's mother is blind in one eye and has a cataract(sp) in the other. And she gets a disabled badge. Thing is, you could argue that as she needs to have someone else driving, then she might not need a badge as her driver could help her make her way safely to the shops.

Tea Lady, stick the kettle on will yer?

As for this thread, I wouldn't say a burglar deserved to die but if given the choice of jumping out a window or getting caught, I know which I would pick. I mean, they chose to be up there, they chose to try and jump/run for it - they have to take responsibility so in effect they got what they deserved. You can't really say it was an accident or a tragedy. Maybe what drove them to be burglars is a tragedy but let's not get carried away believing that the average burglar is doing it to make ends meet and has no choice.

littlejimmy Posted on 31/10 0:09
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Well I see it from another point of view. To me, it's tragic that someone felt the need to take such a risk and ended up paying for his stupidity with his life. Neil alludes to it in his last post. There are reasons for people turning to crime.

Ah, fook it. I'm not going to say any more. It's a waste of time.

--- Post edited by littlejimmy on 31/10 0:11 ---

sasboro Posted on 31/10 0:14
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Littlejimmy, just wonder how you would react if your house was getting burgled while your kids and wife are asleep upstairs at 4am in the morning. would you creep donw stairs, turn the light on and make the burglar a cup of tea and some biscuits and then proceed to offer him councelling on why he likes to steel things. Then after he says he is a changed character will you offer him the choice of your hi-fi,pc and TV? then even offer him a lift home? wil you claim he is the victim?

littlejimmy Posted on 31/10 0:19
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Do stop talking out of your arse, sasboro. As usual, you miss the point and colour my opinion with your ridiculous pre-judgements. It's like saying that because I want to understand what motivates a suicide bomber, I'd happily let one blow me up and take himself to paradise. FFS.

Anyway, if a burglar broke into my house I'd scare him off with my naked 6'2", 18 stone frame.

--- Post edited by littlejimmy on 31/10 0:22 ---

neiltrodden Posted on 31/10 0:23
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I've heard it called a schlong, a purple-hooded-flute but NEVER a frame. It would scare me off though.



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Grumpy_Paul Posted on 31/10 0:24
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LittleJimmy and other apologists

You people don't get it do you

THESE BASTAARRDS DESTROY SOME PEOPLES LIVES

The consequences go FAR BEYOND the material losses

FFS GET REAL

I AM GETTING F'ING ANGRY NOW rather than my normal Grumpy

littlejimmy Posted on 31/10 0:24
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Here we go. "Aplogist". "Real World". You people are half the problem. You don't want to think about the hows and whys, you're just interested medieval concepts of "justice", tarring everyone with the same brush and sticking your heads in the sand. Your ideas don't make things better, they just make things worse.

--- Post edited by littlejimmy on 31/10 0:27 ---

sasboro Posted on 31/10 0:26
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littlejimmy, probably thinks there is good in everyone. unfortunatly some of these scum there isnt any good in them. they offer nothing to society

neiltrodden Posted on 31/10 0:27
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Grumps, I won't hear any justification for burglars and we all know how much it affects people. I remember coming back with my parents from the usual Friday night trip to our nanna's and finding someone had booted the front door in and it was wide open. I was just a kid but it upset the whole family that night.

I wouldn't say a burglar or thief *deserved* to die but if people chose to live like that and take risks then they get no sympathy if it backfires.

littlejimmy Posted on 31/10 0:31
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Sas. Listen. There is good and bad in every single person who has ever lived. But, hey. Don't let me stop you all living in your monochromatic world, where criminals are all evil (unless it's yourself doing a bit of soft drugs or speeding or it's a mate or a brother) and mad people are possessed by evil spirits.

Grumpy_Paul Posted on 31/10 0:39
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LittleJimmy

I really do respect your sentiments and your attempts at seeing through to the root causes to the reasons why these people act as they do. I genuinely believe you try to see the good in people but for every burglar, thug or other type of miscreant you try to 'understand' there are thousands of others who suffer bad circumstances yet manage to live their lives without resorting to this type of behaviour

They are simply scum

Please do not make excuses for them, I repeat, they are SCUM

littlejimmy Posted on 31/10 0:39
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I know I'll get abused by the non-thinkers, but what else can I say? They've already made their minds up. This country is going to hell in a handcart because everyone is becoming so intolerant. We are supposed to be civilised. I reckon you'd all be happier if we became some kind of vigilante-based society, where instant, medieval-style justice is meted out to the undesirables among us. Where would it stop? Watch out, you peadatricians, the misguided moralistic mob are after you!

littlejimmy Posted on 31/10 0:43
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Sorry, GP. I can't and won't agree. I will just say I hope you aren't a member of the juciciary. You could never be impartial and unprejudiced. Your mind is already made up.

Grumpy_Paul Posted on 31/10 0:57
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No jimmy
You have got me wrong
I beleive every case should be judged on it's own merits

But in general I believe most of the miscreants are intrinsically bad people.

The attempts at understanding and justifying their actions are counter productive and just excuse bad people for bad behaviour.

I reiterate, there are thousands of people who have hard lives who don't use their circumstances as an excuse to be thieves.

I respect you views but truly believe you are wrong

Timboi Posted on 31/10 1:40
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G_P - I know for a reasonable fact that alot of miscreants are not intrinsically bad people. I've known alot of people who have done this and that and most of them have turned out fine - they're ashamed of what they did - basically they just grow up (and I'm talking about perception of the world, not actual age). There are very few things in this world that are black and white, if there are actually any. . .

reynarddasilva Posted on 31/10 7:29
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Little jimmy, this country is going to hell in a handcart because of all the do-gooders and p.c. brigade who are making excuses etc. for these scum and all the other 'soft' options that we have been hit with over these last few years.
That is a sweeping generalisation and there is good and bad in these scum, however the quality of life in this country is going to continue declining as these scum have offspring who will not be taught right from wrong.
Yes I have been done for speeding, caught pinching sweets from the local shop when I was young, but my parents instilled in me( yes, by giving me a hell of a thrashing) to respect other people and their property. (although I do struggle to respect the Police force at times).
Grumpy is right, over the many years of my life I have seen many people who have had it hard, especially just after the war, but they have not resorted to stealing, mugging and all the despicable things these scum do nowadays. That is not to say there wasn't thieves etc about in the old days, because there was, and if a relation of mine was killed in the act of thieving I would feel exactly the same as I do for somebody I do not know.
The chances are Grumpy would make a good JP because I get the impression he has seen quite a bit of life (the good and bad) and as he says would judge each case on it's merits, as I would.
It is good that everybody has different opinions, and I would not slag anybody for not having the same thoughts as me.

bodmass Posted on 31/10 11:30
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What you've got to realise about the littlejimmy's of this world is they like to try to 'understand' criminals, bogus asylum seekers, suicide bombers, etc. This makes them feel good about themselves because it makes them feel superiour to the rest of us. Littlejimmy needs this feeling because (like most right-on left wing types) deep down he probably doesn't particularly feel good about himself.

Judging by the amount of time he spends on this site there's nothing more littlejimmy likes to do than come on here and look down upon his perceived inferiors from his moral high horse. As well as making him feel morally superior to most other people this attitude also makes him believe he's intellectually superior as well. Just look at some of his comments directed to the 'non-thinkers' who disagree with him.

What he can't accept is that most of the people he looks down upon actually understand these types far better than he does.

P.S. little jimmy I think you'll find all members of the judiciary are prejudiced to some degree which is why you have left wing judges who are soft on burglars. This is because of human nature, something which you seem to struggle to understand.

Tillerman93 Posted on 31/10 11:40
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I dont think anyone is saying that burglars and their ilk should be supported or 'understood'.

Its plain and simple really, death for a guy who was about to steal a few shop goods wasm in my opinion, unwarranted.

If he had fallen and broken his leg etc etc, then you could possibly have a case for rough justice, but death...come on guys, get real!

littlejimmy Posted on 31/10 11:42
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I don't class dismissing people as "scum" and dehumanising them as understanding them. Thinking in such black-and-white, broadbrush terms and making snap judgements and assumptions is both morally repugnant and intellectually inferior. It's just another form of bigotry in my book.

And yes, I understand that all humans are imperfect and have their own inherent prejudices. It's human nature, as you say. But some people are able to think round these inherent issues and try and take a balanced view.

And how I feel about myself is irrelevant. I'm sure you've got some other constructive things to say. Or you can continue with your normal vein by trying to portray me as some kind of left-wing loony who is far inferior to you no-nonsense, tough right-wing types. Don't worry though. It's human nature to think you're better than everyone else.

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Tillerman93 Posted on 31/10 11:43
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Well said

blotonthelandscape Posted on 31/10 11:47
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Jimmy, shooting a lad in the back as he is running away is fundementaly wrong, falling off a roof you shouldn't be on is no-ones fault but their own.

Sympathies to thier families from me, to them nope.

sasboro Posted on 31/10 11:47
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Sadly this country is falling apart due to the scum of society taking advantage of the doo-gooders

ccole Posted on 31/10 11:48
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fook em.

If they are breaking into shops, I bet they learnt the "trade" from doing houses.

My only worry is that we have to pay for the fookers while in hospital, help to drain NHS funds when it could be spent on decent humans and members of the public.

bodmass Posted on 31/10 12:22
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How you feel about yourself is not irrelevant to how you view the world. In fact I would say it's a major factor.

Most people are able to accept their own shortcomings, usually with a bit of humour and fit into the surrounding world. Some people can't do this and become extremely bitter feeling the whole world must change to suit them. In my experience most left wingers (especially the loudest ones) fit into the second category. They show empathy with any underdog (rightly or wrongly) including criminals.

I think most people have sympathy for anyone who's been brought up in a bad environment. But I believe when you make a conscious decision to enter somebody's home to trash and steal then you cross a line after which sympathy goes out the window.

attonBORO Posted on 31/10 12:29
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No sympathy at all - if i caught someone robbing my i fookin kill em!

littlejimmy Posted on 31/10 12:53
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Have you quite finished with your half-baked, patronising psycho-babble?

Everyone wants the world to be a better place. We just have different ways of expressing it. But in my experience it's the bitter, selfish right-wingers who want to protect their precious "way of life" because they are scared of change and difference. And to hell with everyone else, whatever the consequences.

littlejimmy Posted on 31/10 13:16
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My final, final words:

1. Right-wingers deal with symptoms. Left-wingers deal with causes.

2. Right-wingers want a better world for themselves. Left-wingers want a better world for everyone.

FAT_AL Posted on 31/10 13:19
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Can any body remember last year the 70 year old woman who died locked in her utility room in Roseworth after being burgaled. While I consider myself quite laid back I can have no sympathy for the burglars mentioned.

I believe that there have always been problems in society, even in the good old days, but now we seem to be faced by crime whatever we do. Whether its parking the car somewhere or walking with your kids through a town centre anytime of the day.

With 200,000 people leaving the UK every year you can guarantee the people leaving aren't your burglars so that leaves more idiots per head of population.

I love my country and don't want to leave, but if a "normal" person like myself is thinking about it things must be getting worse.

XXLshirts_fit_all Posted on 31/10 14:17
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what i did find funny was the story of the burgler who was killed in his gettaway car by a lorry as he tried to pull out of a disabled space with no badge, tax or insurance or working indicators, now that was justice



I think what everyones saying here is so what if the guy died, sad for his family but hey, life goes on

sasboro Posted on 31/10 14:47
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littlejimmy, you should go and live in the middle of some of these rough estates in boro and try to change some of them.

maninmboro Posted on 31/10 14:57
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This thread has got me in stitches...........hope you can cotton onto this?

Lefty3668 Posted on 31/10 15:02
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Another interesting/heated debate. It has been good reading.

Seems to me most of you were agreeing with each other until the argument widened.

It was my impression that if the dead burglar was

a) a daft young lad on a prank/drunk or under the influence of an older scumbag

then the death was a waste.

But if he was

b) a scumbag persistant offender, responsible for a significant number of the burglaries in the town plus probably many other crimes, some of them violent,

then good riddance.

Thats my view too.

In this case I think the fellah falls into category b) though.

captain5 Posted on 31/10 15:11
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What I want to know, is what sort of scum is it that nicked their ladder??

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Tillerman93 Posted on 31/10 15:13
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OK, I would like to ask you all one question.

Would you feel the same way if the person involved was your own flesh and blood?

BoroMutt Posted on 31/10 15:15
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Assuming that the former burglar was indeed scum of the lowest order; then, I'm rather hoping, for full comedy value, that the dead lad was killed by his accomplice landing on him.

But then I'm a sick puppy sometimes!

BoroMutt Posted on 31/10 15:16
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"Would you feel the same way if the person involved was your own flesh and blood?" - no - but then that's rather the point isn't it?

maninmboro Posted on 31/10 15:18
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thats the problem with high fashion........

Tillerman93 Posted on 31/10 15:19
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My point? If you would feel different, then surely your moral high ground would limit the emotion because afterall...justice was served when he/she hit the deck and died.

Would you still say the same if it was your sister or brother, and if not, then why?

BoroMutt Posted on 31/10 15:20
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Why not? Well to turn it round why should I?

Tillerman93 Posted on 31/10 15:21
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Really! You do surprise me.

XXLshirts_fit_all Posted on 31/10 17:41
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to keep it going...........

if one of my family died falling after commiting a burglary then i would be saddened (the ammount would depend on how close the family member was)

but.....I would still be able to see the general point of view, if he hadnt been there then he wouldnt have died in that way.

Alcoe Posted on 31/10 17:51
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Apparently they were climbing down a drainpipe.
Just wait until the one who's only injured contacts a lawyer to sue the owners for a defective guttering system causing their injuries.
The one that's injured should be charged with murdering the one that's dead, because he fell on him during the performance of a crime.
Moral: if you don't want to fall to your death, don't burgle. Seems relatively easy to me.

bodmass Posted on 31/10 17:55
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For the record I don't consider myself to be particularly right wing, I think my views on many subjects are in line with the majority of the British public. I don't agree with extreme views from either the left or right of the political spectrum.

As for the two points you raised. Left wingers cause more problems than they solve. The USSR and East Germany were great examples of 'better for everyone' countries, weren't they? So good in fact they couldn't keep people there.

Adminstrations who 'lean to the right' are more likely to take strong action to sort out a problem and they are less likely to let a minority of scumbags drag down the rest of us.

BoroMutt Posted on 31/10 18:02
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USSR and DDR were socialist only in name. They created a "privileged class" from a political elite rather than by a heriditary or merit based system. To say that only right wing governments are capable of "strong action to sort out a problem" would ignore the actions of the two administrations you use as an example.

neiltrodden Posted on 31/10 20:28
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"Can any body remember last year the 70 year old woman who died locked in her utility room in Roseworth after being burgaled. While I consider myself quite laid back I can have no sympathy for the burglars mentioned."

Just in case you didn't see the follow-up story, the police found that she had not been burgled at all and was sadly just confused.

littlejimmy Posted on 31/10 20:51
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Well said, BoroMutt.
I would add that the record for right-leaning justice isn't great in practice. Take the War on Drugs, for instance, which is an example of a hard-hitting policy. It is a complete and utter failure. And what about the fact that recent Home Secretaries have been right-leaning, and under them we've seen the prison population reach its highest ever level? (So much for the myth of the do-gooders in this country being too soft, eh?) Despite this, violent crime and the fear of being a victim of crime is on the increase.

BigBadSteve Posted on 31/10 21:07
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littlejimmy

Whilst I agree with some of your points, political persuasion has very little to do with attitudes to crime or criminals. Most judges sitting in the County or Crown courts are likely to be right-wing but this is of very little consquence.

Violent crime in England and Wales is NOT on the increase. Fear of violent crime is a problem generated by the press.

jam_the_parmo Posted on 31/10 21:20
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Right because i said i did not want the lad to die,i will be defending rapists next?


I never even defended the fact that he was a thief,i mearly said i showed sympathy for him and his family,he did not deserve to die.Prison maybe,death? no.

I'm sure most who have posted here are not really thinking about what they have said.



ps Bigbadsteve is a penis.

BigBadSteve Posted on 31/10 21:34
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jam_the_parmo

You choose to insult someone you don't know simply because their opinion differs from yours, how intelligent of you.

Are you always this ignorant, or are you making a special effort just for me?

You're a waste of time, space, air, flesh, and the rectum you were born from, retard.

Just my opinion of course.

jam_the_parmo Posted on 31/10 21:41
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Actually it's you who is the ignorant one.


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jam_the_parmo

My family members are not burglars. If I caught a burglar in my house or my elderly parents house I would quite happily throw him from a first floor window or push him down the stairs, if as a result he dies then so be it. You'll be defending rapists and murderers next.


and that post is the reason i insulted you.penis.

Tillerman93 Posted on 31/10 21:50
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Its a wind up surely. Anyone who laughs or enjoys the fact a young lad was killed trying to snaffle a few shop goods, really need to evaluate their beliefs.

People who have suffered burglary will know the after effects of such a crime. Its terrible I agree. But in no way do I find satisfaction knowing a young scally has been killed whilst in the act of his crime.

If we all decide to give up on each other, then surely there is no society, and more importantly, no hope for the future of mankind.

Sometimes there is more to life than a half inched microwave, VCR or television.

BigBadSteve Posted on 31/10 21:53
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Of course you on the other hand would invite him in for tea and help him ransack your home. If you're going to say something that ignorant, you could at least fake a stroke.

If I valued your opinion I would be deeply hurt, fortunately I'm not. Don't let me stop you posting however, maybe, someday, you'll randomly type something semi-intelligent.

BigBadSteve Posted on 31/10 21:54
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Of course you on the other hand would invite him in for tea and help him ransack your home. If you're going to say something that ignorant, you could at least fake a stroke.

If I valued your opinion I would be deeply hurt, fortunately I'm not. Don't let me stop you posting however, maybe, someday, you'll randomly type something semi-intelligent.

Tillerman93 Posted on 31/10 21:56
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Its all getting a bit silly.

BigBadSteve Posted on 31/10 21:58
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So it is!

FwenchFwank Posted on 31/10 22:07
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It's all good fun though.

sweet_left_foot Posted on 31/10 22:14
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was he actually playing the thing when he fell out?

The last post presumably.

sasboro Posted on 31/10 22:23
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tillerman, he wasnt a young lad he was 35 years old. the chances are he will have been involved in crime for last 20 years

littlejimmy Posted on 31/10 22:27
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Assume makes an ass of u and me.

attonBORO Posted on 1/11 12:55
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What a load of unfounded jibberish........

"1. Right-wingers deal with symptoms. Left-wingers deal with causes."

"2. Right-wingers want a better world for themselves. Left-wingers want a better world for everyone"

Just why did the former Eastern Bloc fail then? Why is China taking to a free-market economy? Why did all the high-up communist leaders live a life of luxury when the peasants starved? Hypocracy......

littlejimmy Posted on 1/11 19:53
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They failed because power corrupts, not through a fault of the idealogy. And it's "Hypocrisy".

bblf Posted on 1/11 22:26
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He died doing what he enjoyed. Id invoice his family for the broken drain pipe.

BoroMutt Posted on 1/11 22:31
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"They failed because power corrupts, not through a fault of the idealogy" I would say that they failed because the ideology is fundamentally flawed in that it denies many fundamental human behaviour patterns. It's an interesting idea but a stupid way to run a coountry - as history has shown.

sasboro Posted on 1/11 22:41
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got a mate who lives in perth and he says burglary is very rare compared to UK. people are happy to leave doors unlocked,leave things out in their gardens,leave windows open,cars unlocked. Why dont they have as many problems like the UK? is it all down to how you are brought up?

borojap Posted on 1/11 23:50
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Incidentally, as to why the eastern bloc of Europe failed, the points made above regarding the flaws in their system do of course have some merit.

But surely one of the overwhelmingly decisive factors was that throughout their entire existence, the most powerful nation on earth and its allies were trying pretty much everything they could short of an all out "hot" war to make damn sure they failed. You could argue that the US and allies were right to do this and perhaps even applaud them for doing so if that's what you believe. You could not however argue that those eastern bloc states were left unmolested to stand or fall on their own merits.

CzechBoro Posted on 2/11 8:40
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From "Burgular dies in Stockton" to "comicbook critique of communist ideology"


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