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bandito Posted on 12/2 9:47
McClaren OUT eh?

Yeah right.

Lok at you all, changing your tune, what was it, cant motivate, tactically naive, he is taking us down, blah, blah, blah, yadda, yadda, yadda

Yesterday he made you all look righ charlies

Anyway, the performance by the team was bang on, absolutley "tremendous" so well done Mac. Made some bold decisions and anyone who outwits Mourinho in the tactical stakes deserves a bit of slack. The midfielw worked their socks off and stopped Chelsea from playing their normal game. It was quite simle yesterday, attitude and organisation with quick precision counter attacking football. Rochemback made the doubters look foolish with a majestic midfield performance and the Yak ran the centre halves ragged.

Fantastic day topped of with me meeting Jose before the game at the hotel and getting a book signed.

iain_dalton Posted on 12/2 9:53
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He got it right against Chelsea..well done to him.

But it's pointless if we can't back it up.

Tillerman93 Posted on 12/2 9:55
re: McClaren OUT eh?

Its been a bad season, injuries and the loss of Zenden have hampered the Club's plans. The addition of Rochemback has taken time to blossom, time which we did'nt have. The loss of our holding player Boateng reduced the bite in midfield, and the behind-the-scenes frustrations in December added extra negativity to an already depleated team. McClaren has gone up in my estimations, never doubted him, but im pleased at the way he has handled a delicate situation. Its safe to say we can write this season off, but I really believe the Boro will be a strong force next season.

bandito Posted on 12/2 9:57
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why its pointless, who in the right mind expected ANYTHING from this game. I didnt, so really were on schedule. Need to get something at West Brom and beat Birmingham then you can start to get the cigars out.

Red_Slim Posted on 12/2 9:59
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Nicely summed up.

I don't want to put the mockers on a fantastic performance, but the doubters are so numerous for good reason bandito. We have been exposed to a lot of poor football and dangerously bad results. Yesterday was brilliant in every way, but the genuine questions asked of the playing and non-playing staff over the past year shouldn't be simply dismissed because of this performance.

Anyway, we dicked Chelsea 3-0 and it was superb, lets hope we move forward from here.

Junenius Posted on 12/2 9:59
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Absolutely spot on Bandito.

Of course one game does not suddenly put everything right but those of us that have always stayed behind McClaren have a right to feel vindicated.

Yesterday confirmed to me a number of things, which I think have been shown since the Arse game - Aston Villa apart.

1. Our injuries have played a huge part - with Riggot, Mendi, Rocky, Boat, Morrison, Downing all back fit we are a pretty good team. Added to that we still have Ugo, FQ, McMahon, Parlour to come back.

2. There is unity and a willingness to scrap.

3. Mac has not lost the players. There may have been problems but ultimately they seem to be behind each other. Team spirit has been one of Mac's huge successes here and so it was great to see every outfield player celebrating the goals.

4. We are a capable team that is struggling for confidence.

5. Early goal gets the crowd behind the team - it is no coincidence that when we score first we tend to win. The crowd plays a bigger part than any of the boo boys want to admit.

6. Gareth has not 'lost it'. He has been playing with an injury and is obviously lacking in confidence but yesterday the back 4 were majestic.

7. Pogo is turning into a good player - if only these lads would be allowed time to settle. Faced by Joe Cole, Robben and SWP at different times and none of them got the better of him.

8. Downing has been sorely missed and having him and Morrison on each wing gives us a great balance with pace and energy. That is the way forward.

9. Rocky is going to be a great player for us (lots of people now backtracking after writing him off) - how many more games like that before he proves it. He has been inconsistent but then who hasn't.

10. Stick Mendi in the middle and you get a different player. Thought he was class yesterday.

So let's get behind McClaren - still plenty to play for.

Reading1967 Posted on 12/2 9:59
re: McClaren OUT eh?

Bandito
Yesterday was brilliant but its just a start
lets see where we are and more importantly how we performed against West Brom and Birmingham
Its easy for McClaren to be popoular with us all he has to do is WIN GAMES!!

bandito Posted on 12/2 10:02
re: McClaren OUT eh?

Yes, its one game but "clueless managers" do not put out teams that blitz champions. Yesterday was a great relief for the team and most of all the people who have stood by the manager instead of bleating on here everyday how he is going to "take us down".

Idiots I say...

Gains Posted on 12/2 10:03
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Tactically, he got it spot on yesterday so credit where it's due. The accusation of not being able to motivate the team is still a valid one though, although hopefully he'll put that one to bed over the next few weeks.
Arsenal, Man U and Chelsea are games when the players need no motivation, other games they do and it was clear we haven't been up for it recently.
Nobodies turning round and saying "McClaren's class afterall" but if he turns it around over the next few months, I for one will be happy to be wrong.

danholh Posted on 12/2 10:05
re: McClaren OUT eh?

YES - MAC out. He got if right tactically yesterday. Thats twice this season. Not good enough.

For me yesterday highlighted the failings of the manager. He can't motivate the team. The players always raise their game against the bigger clubs. The managers job is to ensure that this is maintained throughout the season. MAC does not do this. That is a failing.

Look at Wigan, everton and even Chelsea, same effort and work rate regardless of whether it is Nuneaton, Coventry, Blackburn oir Real Madrid.

Two more wins and we are safe. Get rid at the end of the season. He had a lucky Carling cup campaign and an avergare season last year that allowed us to qualify for Europe by the back door (due to cup wins by top 4 teams). He has done no better than Robson, but had more money and a stronger base on which to build.

Remember MAc quote when he came. 'I am not here for the short term, it is a big job but I am up to it, judge me on my performance in 3 to 4 years'. I'll judge him now - MAC out at the summer. Deep down I think Gibson ses the same, hence no money for the manger last month. The only thing that can save him is winning either the FA or UEFA cups - and that won't happen.

bandito Posted on 12/2 10:05
re: McClaren OUT eh?

you can stop gritting your teeth now and enjoy your tea n toast

iain_dalton Posted on 12/2 10:06
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"so were on schedule"...how are we possibly on schedule?

Tillerman93 Posted on 12/2 10:07
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I just wish that for year, when Boro hit the skids and are freefalling into oblivion, would'nt it be lovely for ALL Boro fans to get behind the team instead of mixing up as much negative shiite as possible, to create an even more negative situation in the stands. Other Clubs rally their support, they shout the rooftops off, Boro fans seem to accept the worse, and relish in the doom and gloom.

Come on Boro!

bandito Posted on 12/2 10:08
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were on schedule for getting out of this mess and with players returning hopefully we'll have a couple of cup finals to look forward to. Good eh!

penry1 Posted on 12/2 10:09
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There is a good boro team in that squad.The players seem to motivate themselves against the big clubs as results seem to show.His job is to get them fired up for the WBA's and brums.Southgate also seemed to have a bit of a dig about changing systems last night but hopfully we'll settle on this one.We need a run of results to stop a drop off of season tickets if Mclaren stays.Up the boro

Tillerman93 Posted on 12/2 10:10
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Now, thats quite a possibilty, I fancy Boro for the FA cup.

Out of the darkness cometh the team!

Junenius Posted on 12/2 10:10
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Lets face it a lot of Boro fans have been dwelling in doom and gloom through the Cup win (which papered over cracks and was lucky) and the first Euro campaign (in which we played a mixture of schoolboys and pub sides) and the qualification for Europe via the league (which was lucky and down to a last minute penalty save and absolutely nothing to do with the preceding 37 games).

Tillerman93 Posted on 12/2 10:12
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All football games have a degree of 25% technical ability, 25% effort, 25% mentality and 25% luck!

Buddy Posted on 12/2 10:14
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There is an argument that says that yesterday makes it MORE obvious that McClaren needs to go. Perhaps the players can gt themselves up for Chelsea, United and Arsenal, but not for Villa, West Brom and Birmingham. Come back in three weeks.

Junenius Posted on 12/2 10:16
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How doea that explain us beating Sunderland though?

Our performances are more influenced by the first goals in games rather than motivation.

bandito Posted on 12/2 10:17
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Buddy: Dont bother coming back at all you downbeat.

Maybe the manager gets them psyched up for every game and then oncew on the pitch the players underperform. Ever thought about that possibility? Didnt think so.

Bye

bandito Posted on 12/2 10:18
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Its all down to the first goal and then we have a platform to build on. If we havent scored inside 20 minutes the crowd get tetchy and the opposition take advantage.

Inage Posted on 12/2 10:20
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This kind of performance and that against Manure just raises more questions than answers. To blame injuries is just more nonsense. Yesterday was a tremedous result and great performance but we've been here before. Let's just see if we can blow away the likes of WBA and Brum first. It's in these types of games, not the ones against the big guns, that McClaren has to show he can motivate the team to perform to their undoubted abilities. No impartial observer can really believe that we are in our present position.

Until we can really play consistently to the potential that's in th present squad, I think most realists will like me reserve judgment.

We have to play Mendieta in central midfield, together with Boateng and Rochemback. This may mean that we have to play 3-5-2 or 4-5-1. I just hope that he uses Morrison and Downing correctly with Johnson as back-up. Together with Cattermole, McMahon, Queudrue, Ehiogu and yesterday's defence, the resources are there. McClaren has now got to finally show he can pick the right tactics for the opposition, pick the players in their correct positions and motivate them to attack and defend as a team CONSISTENTLY.

Big_Shot Posted on 12/2 10:20
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I've said all along that the players must take their share of the blame for not performing. They need to realise they still have to work as hard as they do against Chelsea when up against the likes Villa and Wigan.

Buddy Posted on 12/2 10:21
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It's a possibility bandy, but my scenario is as well. You know me, I refuse to be overly negative after a one-off poor performance when we're generally doing well, and I equally refuse to be overly positive after a one-off good performance when we're doing badly.

You know as well as I do that this will count for absolutely nowt if we get beat off the two West Midlands teams. That didn't stop me going stark staring mental when Yak's shot went in, or shouting "can we play you every week" out of the car window at every blue shirt in Milton Keynes, but looking at the situation overall the jury is still well and truly out. We know they CAN do it, it's a case of whether they WILL.

bandito Posted on 12/2 10:23
re: McClaren OUT eh?

Dont fall over with all that back tracking

Be careful now

Junenius Posted on 12/2 10:23
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I laughed at that post Inage. Firstly you are not a realist. You are the most biased and affected poster on this board. Your version of realism comes from an obsessional dislike for all things McClaren.

Secondly, you have never and will never reserve judgement. You admit to having made your judgement of McClaren after 4 games and admit that you have not changed it since despite McClaren's obvious successes.

So forgive me if I think you are just waiting for our next defeat so you can put the boot in and tell us all how right you were.

danholh Posted on 12/2 10:37
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Why do so many people post positve after a win, negative after a loss. Judge MAC over his tenure at the Boro. Then there is only one decision. MAC OUT. Despite the cup win and Europe we are no further forwards. Indeed I believe we have gone backwards. I have been to all games except 3 this season and overall we have not improved on previous years.

The bright spots are the youth - but that is not MAC. He has little dealings with the development of the youth team.

bandito Posted on 12/2 10:44
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danholh, what planet are you from?

Youre talking out Uranus

Inage Posted on 12/2 10:44
re: McClaren OUT eh?

I have always said that if McClaren shows me to be wrong about him then I'll eat humble pie. I am realist. We have the best players available to any Boro manager in my memory and that's more than 50 years. I have always believed that previously in John Neal, Jack Charlton, Bruce Rioch times, we were always two players short of being a really good team. You cannot say that now. Even with injuries, we should not be getting turned over by Charlton, Sunderland, Wigan and often playing like the away team at home. (no don't blame the fans and negativity because despite what you may think crowds are reactive and not proactive).

My opinion of McClaren won't change until he can show that he can CONSISTENTLY produce results and not bore the crowd to death in the process. The ra-ra's are always the same, quote isolated examples to support their position regarding McClaren. Remember, we still haven't won back-to-back league games in 15 months.

I should add Robbo to that list.

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bandito Posted on 12/2 10:47
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bully for you. Appreciate your opinion but dont agree with any of it

Boro85 Posted on 12/2 10:50
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I thought that was a fair response from Buddy actually. Youre just on abit of a windup in my opinion bandy aiming for a tonne.

Anyway as much as we all enjoyed yesterday it will all come down to the Brom and the Brum. Chelsea was fantastic but will become just be another blip on the radar if we cant repeat the performance against these two. We need take 4 points from these games, ideally 3 from the Brum game as its at home.
I was shouting for his head after villa, and he's bought himself time with me now. I'l willing to give him time to turn it around. But for gods sake can we please see that sort of effort and commitment every fooking week. Of course it could be down to the players, but if thats the case then surely its his job to get them to put the work in.

In the meantime, lets see how we go in the cups...

bandito Posted on 12/2 10:52
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I couldnt wind up a small toy

Big_Shot Posted on 12/2 10:53
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Of course its ultimately down to the manager, but he can't take all the blame for the players not performing. He won't send them out and tell them to go through the motions, they need to work hard every week not just for the big games. Its the manager and the players fault that we are struggling this season. Something that people seem to overlook in their quest for wanting the manager out.



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Boro85 Posted on 12/2 10:57
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I know he's not sending them out to go through the motions, but if theyre going out week after week and not performing then theres something wrong, and its his job to fix it. Thats all i was reffering to.

green_beret20 Posted on 12/2 10:57
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Oh Captain Comedys out in force again.

Did you also crow about Arsenal being a turning point or the Man U game or was it Nuneaton or was Sunderland the turning point?

Just a coincidence then that when the big teams play us the work rate of our team suddenly sky rockets.
That is a failure of McClaren of motivate his team consistently.

I'd have thought you'd have learnt by now to look before you leap, wouldn't want you to make yourself look like a tit or anything.

Vlad_The_Kinder Posted on 12/2 11:27
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It's fantastic beating Chelsea, Man.U and Arsenal this season, but it just highlights even more how woeful and sometimes downright embrassing most of our other performances have been this season. If McClaren can not motivate and organise the team for when we play the lesser clubs then he's still got to go.
The league table doesn't lie.

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petrio Posted on 12/2 11:28
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Bandito, I think it's a matter of opinion on McClaren and those opinions vary greatly from someone like yourself who seems happy and confident that McClaren will turn it around, to some like me who just want Boro to be successful, backed McClaren for a long time but have found that this season is too much; Finally the 'Mac OUT!' crowd who won't give him credit when it's due.

This week, credit is certainly due to McClaren and I'm more than willing to eat a small piece of humble pie after the moaning that I've done about Mac lately. Having said that, a week or two in which we lose to Stuttgart, Preston, West Brom and Birmingham, will see me forcably on McClaren's back again. The talk has been of injuries for a long time. Well, that team that was out yesterday, wasn't far from being the best we've got. It's time that the team started to show some positive consistency. If that happens, then I will admit that I was wrong and that McClaren's time isn't up. I've been thinking lately that it is. I've never doubted that he's a good manager, just that he's taken us as far as he could. Maybe I'm wrong. I think that the next few weeks will show us.

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danholh Posted on 12/2 11:28
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danholh, what planet are you from?

Youre talking out Uranus

Mmmmm bandito that is a very witting reply - 'what planet are you from? - youre talking out Uranus'. I'll let others judge the originality and undoubted hilarity of that one.

Rather than insults can you put up a reasoned arguement against the opinions I raise. I would be interested to hear your reply. Or are you just bored and fishing.

bandito Posted on 12/2 11:29
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Couldnt care less whether I make myself look a tit or not, its the team that matter to me and I happen to think that the lack of faith in the manager has been appauling, so no, I dont come crowing after each turning point, cos I've bben crowing after each defeat aswell and have been trying to get my head around why people are so quick to conclude. I'm a bit too long in the tooth to let what people say on here have any bearing to my belief as a fan.

JonSina Posted on 12/2 11:31
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Bandito - a completely pointless post

"Lok at you all, changing your tune, what was it, cant motivate, tactically naive, he is taking us down, blah, blah, blah, yadda, yadda, yadda

Yesterday he made you all look righ charlies"

"Yes, its one game but "clueless managers" do not put out teams that blitz champions"

and the week before he proved us all right, because good managers don't put out a team that gets thrashed 4-0 at home by the team directly above you in the league.

so as I said, a completely pointless post

bandito Posted on 12/2 11:34
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Yes John, a fair point but in reality losing to Villa would be accepted, yet thrashing Chelsea is up there with the unthinkable. Just accept that it was a fantastic win and the manager is cpable as much as he is incapable. Hopefuly yesterdays result will influence some fans to think we;ll maybe he can do it instead of all this "he's ginger, he's crap, hes taking us down" ballax

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redandwhitearmy1986 Posted on 12/2 11:36
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motivation? McClaren won't have needed to motivate them to go and play chelsea (likewise MAn Utd, Arsenal)

its teams like sunderland, portsmouth etc where they need motivating! We have to keep this going now - because when we get birmingham and west brom in a couple of weeks time, we'll see how "up for It" we really are.

boroproud Posted on 12/2 11:38
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maybe the so called medioca teams have raised their games us,and stopped us from playing.just like we do to the bigger than us teams!

petrio Posted on 12/2 11:40
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I can see both sides of the argument. For me, it's never been a personal thing. I actually qute like McClaren, when he's being a bit more honest with the media, he seems like a nice fella. I just want Boro winning matches and, if he can deliver that then it's fine by me. IF he can't, and recently he hasn't, then perhaps he's not the man for the job. Like I said, we'll find out in the next few weeks.

green_beret20 Posted on 12/2 11:43
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Bandito, your away with the fairies.

So what, our entire squad woke up yesterday morning with a clear conscious and loved MFC.
Or was it more to do with the golden opportunity to impress Jose and put in a chance to join Chelsea and their merry band of millionaires, but of course that never happens in the real world does it?

bandito Posted on 12/2 11:47
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not many other teams have impressed against Chelsea. I think theyve all been tonked. Anyway, who cares....the Boro won, I'm happy, your happy, so lets see how things pan out. What is evident is things are looking rosier than they were 6 weeks ago, with the same manager in charge. Lets not get into a petty debate

DybuksChampion Posted on 12/2 11:47
re: McClaren OUT eh?

It has to be said that it's taken some thick skin to stay in the pro-mac on here camp lately. It gives me no little plesure to say the way he's out thought the best managers in the division this season has been 'tremendous'.

I think it's obvious that he has something to learn on the handling prima donna stakes. But this season will really benefit McClaren the man.

Onwards and upwards.

I wonder how many of those who were sure we were down put there money where their mouth was.

petrio Posted on 12/2 11:48
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"Lets not get into a petty debate" Bandito

bandito Posted on 12/2 11:51
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I know petrio, I laughed aswell...

boroskel65 Posted on 12/2 11:57
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junenius
your point 5. Not when we get the first goal, but when we start fast. i.e. Cardiff. Mcclaren very rarely pumps the players up at the start. He just simply waits to analyse Prozone at half time a'la Premier Manager on Playstation. It is no coincidence that the games we have started fast are when we have been massive underdogs, and the players pump themselves up.

Junenius Posted on 12/2 11:59
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Bandito is dead right in what he says. The lack of support for McClaren throughout his reign has been a disgrace, particularly given what we have achieved.

He deserved patience this season because injuries and a lack of confidence have caused our position rather than any real problem with his management.

The likes of Inage ask for consistent results and say that the ra-ras point to isolated example in defence of Mac. The reality is though that this season is the isolated example fo things not going quite right.

McClaren has delivered consistently from season one when he trimmed the squad and kept us up. He delivered a first cup, got us further in Europe than ANY other team has on it's first attempt, got us into our highest Prem finish qualifying for Europe via the league for the first time. That is consistent delivery of performance over a long period of time.

You can talk about results in calendar years and back to back wins until your blue in the face but the only thing that matters is the honours at the end of the season and given when we were when he took over he has delivered - at a cost of about 10M net per season, which in the top flight isn't bad at all.

By any standards a Cup win, two Euro campaigns and a highest ever Prem points tally and position is a good return particularly in the face of an ongoing injury crisis that has lasted for a season and a half and a fanbase largely against him.

On that basis he deserves the patience and backing that Gibson has given him. He also deserved a bit of patience from the fans but instead of that him and the team received no support whatsoever.

outmac Posted on 12/2 12:09
re: McClaren OUT eh?

I'm not changing my view but credit where it's due for yesterday.
The players were united and it felt good for the first time in ages.
Lets lose the boring tag(like yesterday)and become the
entertainers(like yesterday)

Zoophonic Posted on 12/2 12:13
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My view is this. A team that can stuff Man U, Arsenal and Chelsea at home no way should be bottom four, NO WAY. Scrapping to fight off relegation? So why are they? There are obvious problems which the Management have a big responsibility for.

His next two league games will show if is up to that challenge. But yesterday was great.

Revol_Tees Posted on 12/2 12:48
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Buddy and Boro85 are right ... We know they still can do it, but it's a case of whether they WILL when we come up against sh-te. Bandito talks heaps of good sense in his own inimitable way, but for me the cigars are staying firmly in the drawer for another few months, even if we do beat Brum and Brom.

I still can't believe what a season it's been. We've got some outstanding moments to treasure - Arsenal, Man Utd, now Chelsea - let's hope we can have a few more, and pull ourselves away from the mire while we're at it. What excites me is that our tendency to play up for the big games stands us in great stead for the Cup competitions. Having said that, if we manage to beat Preson, I just hope to god we can avoid Chelsea in the next round...

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Derby_Red Posted on 12/2 15:59
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"We know they still can do it, but it's a case of whether they WILL when we come up against sh-te. Bandito talks heaps of good sense in his own inimitable way, but for me the cigars are staying firmly in the drawer for another few months, even if we do beat Brum and Brom".

This I agree with, and I also take great heart in the Boro's management and team being capable of humbling Chelsea. That shows me it is extremely possible for us to perform, but like Inage (I have to agree despite his history of what looks like blind hatred towards the manager) performances of that quality need to be made more consistently. I disagree about it having to not be boring, I'm quite happy with being bored sh itless and getting 3 points, no doubt about it.

Buggerlugs Posted on 12/2 16:07
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Bandy that really is a lame post. You are in danger of becoming a "character" poster and losing any credibility you may have once had.

Smithy_MfC Posted on 12/2 16:08
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poor post mate

rozi Posted on 12/2 16:11
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"Hopefuly yesterdays result will influence some fans to think we;ll maybe he can do it instead of all this "he's ginger, he's crap, hes taking us down" ballax"

Bandi, please don't include my redhead son JonSina in with these morons!!

Rondo_1 Posted on 12/2 16:21
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One swallow.....

Why can't we do it every week?

forza_boro Posted on 12/2 16:24
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we also beat man u and arsenal so what is bandito's point the real test wasn't yesterday it the likes of west brom and brum as we still have yet to win back to back wins in the league for 18 months.

but its a start

Lisbonlegend Posted on 12/2 16:31
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Spot on Bandy, a joy to read. I even enjoyed the little quip about URANUS.

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Lisbonlegend Posted on 12/2 16:45
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I see the same questions over and over again and most of them have been spouted by Bernie on Century who quite simply astounds me with some of his idiotic comments.

1)Why are we inconsistent?

Inconsitencies face all teams at one time or another, even Chelsea but our major problems have been due to our massive injury list coupled with more games than almost every team with the exception of Bolton, Chelsea and Arse. Only once this season being able to field an unchanged side. It is so obvious to see yet people allow their frustrations to cloud over their judgement.

2)The players don't need motivating against the big teams and it's McClarens fault when we don't win the smaller games.

Yes there's more motivation when you play against the better teams cos they want to prove themselves and you know you have to be at your best. However we got beat against Arsenal 7-0 so why didn't the players motivate themselves then? We beat these so called smaller teams in the UEFA cup so was it McClaren who motivated the team then? No it's rubbish. Players will be motivated for every game to different degrees and it's the strength, ability and confidence which makes much more of an impact on the game. We have our best players available so will be able to play to our best ability again.

I have a question.

Would we have won that game yesterday with 9 players out injured? No we bloody wouldn't so get your heads sorted and get behind the manager. Especially you Inage.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 12/2 16:55
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I wasn't there yesterday, the highlights looked ok, but the team have struggled for far too long, over the last year we have a poor points haul, no good crowing after one decent match.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 12/2 17:05
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It's actually 3 in 4. We beat Sunderland 3-0, then beat Coventry and then thrashed Chelsea. That's also 3 clean sheets. The Aston Villa game was a blip.

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JonSina Posted on 12/2 17:26
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Good twisting of figures to make us look great LL, I'm quite sure a few people could go further back and make it 4 in 15 or whatever it actually is (can't be arsed checking it myself), which doesn't look quite so good when 1 is a Northern Conference League team, and one is a Championship team!

Lisbonlegend Posted on 12/2 17:28
re: McClaren OUT eh?

Go back as far as you want but we've won 3 out of our last 4 games. With the exception of the Villa game could you have asked for much more?

JonSina Posted on 12/2 17:30
re: McClaren OUT eh?

yeah but I expect us to win more than 4 in 15 of which 2 were lesser league opposition, as do most other people on this board!

please note that the figures stated above by me are still not validated!

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Lisbonlegend Posted on 12/2 17:43
re: McClaren OUT eh?

We all want that but with the injuries we have had it's just not been possible. Now we have our best players back we are performing a lot better. Coincidence? I think not.

Back2Basics Posted on 12/2 17:44
re: McClaren OUT eh?

The tactics were spot on yesterday but even a broken clocks right twice a day.

Mclarens record speaks for itself, it's just to poor.

BERWICKHILLS_BOPPER Posted on 12/2 17:45
re: McClaren OUT eh?

yes mclaren out. yesterday was a great result a top performance but it baffles me that some of the sheep on here demand we forget the absolute dross that we have put up with for a LONG time now. the performances and lack of passion of this season are down to smac and imho have done alot of damgage to his already fragile relationship with alot of the fans.
for me yes it was a great result yesterday but its gonna take a long time before smac is close to redeeming himself.

besides, regardless on how we finish the season i think there will be a few thousand more empty seats next season due to the intense hatred of the ginger one. so he has to go, there is a large section of the crowd he will NEVER get back, (not that he had alot of them in the first place) so it is gonna damage the club financially if he stays.

for me its still a big fat SMAC OOOOOOOOOOOOUT!

Lisbonlegend Posted on 12/2 17:50
re: McClaren OUT eh?

Who is asking anyone to forget anything. Everyone knows we were crap, the whole point is that the major cause has been injured players and an inability to field a consistent line up. If you go back to 1987 and Rioch's promotion teams, a main point was that you knew from match to match who played in what position. A luxury which McClaren hasn't had. Mayeb you should praise the reulst she did get in these times of crisis rather than criticise him for not winning.

Good, bring on those empty seats. I'd rather have a supporter who comes to support the team rather than a pillock who finds his hatred of the manager so much that he can't attend games.

elnino1 Posted on 12/2 17:52
re: McClaren OUT eh?

Well yesterday did have me re-evaluating what I've been thinking. I don't think I should be slagged off for that, I think I'm big enough to re-evaluate my position from time to time.

I want Mac to get it right. I'm not one of these who wants him out no matter what, I just want Boro to gain back some pride and give me something to smile about.

Anyway, before the Villa result I had never called for his head. Last week I was fuming all week but all that has disappeared now. I just hope we can keep up a bit of momentum and end the season well (progressing in cups and respectablity in the leavgue).

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Back2Basics Posted on 12/2 17:56
re: McClaren OUT eh?

"Go back as far as you want but we've won 3 out of our last 4 games. With the exception of the Villa game could you have asked for much more?"

Are you Alistair Brownlee??

Lisbonlegend Posted on 12/2 17:56
re: McClaren OUT eh?

Good work elnino, takes a big person to admit he may have got it wrong. It's the idiots who continue to spout rubbish that are embarassing. Still we need results against Stuttgart, Preston and West Brom and then we'll be flying.

Come on Boro!

tino_10 Posted on 12/2 17:57
re: McClaren OUT eh?

So one game makes him the best manager since sliced bread eh bandito? Where have you been the last 2 months!!!!

Lisbonlegend Posted on 12/2 17:58
re: McClaren OUT eh?

No, I'm not Alistair Brownlee, are you Bernie Slaven?

Also that doesn't answer my question, the answer which is NO by the way. McClaren IN.

FrenchFrank Posted on 12/2 17:59
re: McClaren OUT eh?

1 Result and McClaren is a legend eh? Some boro fans are so fickle. Remember last week? Boro 0 - 4 Villa

BERWICKHILLS_BOPPER Posted on 12/2 18:00
re: McClaren OUT eh?

If we lose to west brom which could happen , then alot of these newly converted smac groupies will be again calling for his head, lisbon you stance on smac is pathetically blind and ra ra but at least its consisitent.
but hoping we have alot of empty seats just to fit in with your point of thinking is pretty selfish, id rather have a full house of mixed stances than 20,000 where most agree with with whatever i think.
but i guess its what you thinks more important , your ego or the club? a bit of a contradiction eh ll?

Back2Basics Posted on 12/2 18:02
re: McClaren OUT eh?

If thats the best argument for keeping Mclaren Lisbon then thats riduculous.

Now if he'd had got the job 4 games ago then he might be doing ok.

elnino1 Posted on 12/2 18:05
re: McClaren OUT eh?

The ones who are calling fans fickle for backtracking on MacLaren, how stupid are you?

So your fickle if you change your mind. How about "open minded".

Maybe fickle are the ones who are NEVER happy eh??

Big_Shot Posted on 12/2 18:08
re: McClaren OUT eh?

'1 Result and McClaren is a legend eh?'

Says who, frank?

stepat Posted on 12/2 18:08
re: McClaren OUT eh?

look up the word fickle, elnino

jimmyrav Posted on 12/2 18:10
re: McClaren OUT eh?

Yeah too bloody right McClaren Out!!!!!

One match doesnt change my opinion.

Excellent yesterday and fair play to SMAC who got everything spot on. But

What about the rest of the season.

We have taken 10 points at home form Arsenal, Man U, CHelsea and Liverpool. Yet only 8 more from our other 10 games.

Seems to me the manager can only motivate the team for the big games. Therefore yesterday was a given

Will be interesting to see how we respond at West Brom and against Birmingham.

For me though, it is too late for McClaren

But well done to him yesterday!!

Lisbonlegend Posted on 12/2 18:11
re: McClaren OUT eh?

Pathetically blind BHB? Not at all. I give valid reasons and arguments behind every one of my points which is a lot more than some of the antiMac abusers who either regurgitate what Bernie says or have no reason behind their arguments. The next few weeks will prove why Mac is the best manager in our history. I'm not saying he's not made mistakes cos he has, I'm simply saying we're going in the right direction and losing him would be a massive loss.

"but hoping we have alot of empty seats just to fit in with your point of thinking is pretty selfish, id rather have a full house of mixed stances than 20,000 where most agree with with whatever i think. but i guess its what you thinks more important , your ego or the club? a bit of a contradiction eh ll?"

First of all, I don't hope we have lots of empty seats, I'd rather have a full house every week as long as the crowd were united in the support of their team and manager when it is warranted. From your point of view, what is better, 25,000 fans that get behind the team or an extra 10,000 who are detrimental to the teams performance? I'll support Middlesbrough whoever is in charge and I don't care for people who say they're not going if McClaren is in charge. Nothing to do with my ego.

B2B, no that wasn't my argument for him keeping the job. That argument was a trophy success and 2 successive European campaigns aswell as our highest ever Premiership finish.

elnino1 Posted on 12/2 18:12
re: McClaren OUT eh?

stepat, no I won't.

adam1979 Posted on 12/2 18:13
re: McClaren OUT eh?

I,M NOT FICKLE, I STILL THINK HE SHOULD GO, YOU CANT JUDGE HIM BY ONE GAME, JUST LOOK AT THE SEASON WE'VE HAD, CHECK MY MESSAGES FROM YESTREDAY, I,VE NOT CHANGED MY MIND.

elnino1 Posted on 12/2 18:15
re: McClaren OUT eh?

Stop shouting Adam

Lisbonlegend Posted on 12/2 18:15
re: McClaren OUT eh?

JimmyRav that's a load of rubbish and refer to my earlier post as to why it's rubbish.

Chelsea was a given!!! Now if that's not the most ridiculous statement I've ever read it must be up there. So what about the Coventry game then? Too late for McClaren? We're still in the FA and UEFA cup and have just thrashed the Champions 3-0. I think a large slice of humble pie is needed for you to eat by the end of the month.

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Lisbonlegend Posted on 12/2 18:16
re: McClaren OUT eh?

It's not one game, it's 2 cos we beat Coventry.

adam1979 Posted on 12/2 18:17
re: McClaren OUT eh?

I BET YOU ALL WERE NOT FULL OF PRAISE FOR HIM THIS TIME LAST WEEK.
ANYONE WHO KNOWS ABOUT FOOTBALL AND TACTICS SHOULD KNOW THAT HE'S GOT IT WRONG ALL SEASON, HOWEVER YESTERDAY HE GOT IT SPOT ON, HE PLAYED THE RIGHT PLAYERS AND IN THE RIGHT POSITIONS, THATS WHY WE WON, BUT WHY HAS IT TOOK HIM THIS LONG TO MAKE COMMON SENSE DESISIONS?

Back2Basics Posted on 12/2 18:18
re: McClaren OUT eh?

For people who want Mclaren to stay would suggest to me that there happy with the current Boro situation.

Based on league standing and 80-90% of performances how can you argue that he is the best man for the job?

Lisbonlegend Posted on 12/2 18:19
re: McClaren OUT eh?

I'm afraid I was adam. You obviously know very little about tactics and the actual part they play in a game if you think he should be sacked. It's because we didn't have our best players on the pitch in previous games.

jimmyrav Posted on 12/2 18:21
re: McClaren OUT eh?

However, if we are beaten by Stuttgart and Preston and fail against WBA the humble pie will be choking you.

It was one match. The previous 11 have been crap. Simple as that.

I didnt mean I expected us to beat Chelsea, I meant that with his result against the others in the Big 4 we should have expected it. ( I expected us to get hammered though and I admit that)

As for referring to your earlier post, I got bored at the first word.

The attitude in here was the same after Man U. We were worldbeaters. We then won 1 match in 3 months. I think there is more dross to come.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 12/2 18:25
re: McClaren OUT eh?

Because the outcome of football games are not 100% due to the manager and his decisions. There are untold amounts of reasons as to why the outcome of a football match turns out the way it is. Reasons such as the individual health of every player, the ability of the players at the managers disposal, the ability of the opposition and the oppositions state of mind (attacking, defending or waiting), the weather, the crowd, the referee, individual errors, etc.

Not all of these factors can be predicted or controlled by the manager. If you drew up a statistical pattern and how factors react to one another you would be able to find the best pattern of interactions in order to win the game but the unknowns will always play a part. Not having best players available, forced changes in tactics due to injury, inexperienced players on the pitch, crowd impatience are all massive factors which you severely underestimate.

There is more to the outcome of a game than just what tactics the manager has selected.

stepat Posted on 12/2 18:27
re: McClaren OUT eh?

Adam, how on Earth could Mclaren play the right players when they were injured?

Back2Basics Posted on 12/2 18:28
re: McClaren OUT eh?

Aaahhh, so the reason we got thumped by Villa is because it was slightly overcast.

Mclaren in then !!

Lisbonlegend Posted on 12/2 18:29
re: McClaren OUT eh?

JimmyRav, the previous 11 have been crap? We've only lost 3 times in our last 11 games. We hammered Sunderland, Chelsea, Nuneaton, beat Coventry, we were very unfortunate not to beat Newcastle and to lose to Wigan.

So actually it's not as simple as that. You got bored at the first word? Maybe you are just naturally ignorant then and I apologise.

adam1979 Posted on 12/2 18:29
re: McClaren OUT eh?

boeteng - cattermole
downing - johnson

what other injuries actually mattered

Back2Basics Posted on 12/2 18:30
re: McClaren OUT eh?

"Adam, how on Earth could Mclaren play the right players when they were injured?"

So the person who wants sacking is the person who manages all the other players other than the top 11.

Smithy_MfC Posted on 12/2 18:31
re: McClaren OUT eh?

ton

Lisbonlegend Posted on 12/2 18:31
re: McClaren OUT eh?

B2B - No obviously not. The severity of the weather will affect a match. A team which is very good at passing the ball can be bogged down in poor conditions, a phenomnon seen many times in the FA cup at non league teams. The weighting of each factor is different and some or obviously more influential than others.

Vlad_The_Kinder Posted on 12/2 18:32
re: McClaren OUT eh?

Let's get this straight. Becuase we beat Chelsea, Man.U and Arsenal we are supposed to forget:

Charlton H 0-3
Sunderland H 0-2
Blackburn H 0-2
Arsenal A 0-7
Villa H 0-4

We've had too many false dawns. Hopefully the Chelsea result will be a turning point, but's it's FAR too early to tell.

Back2Basics Posted on 12/2 18:32
re: McClaren OUT eh?

Are you for real, now wheres that laughing smiley gone......

Lisbonlegend Posted on 12/2 18:33
re: McClaren OUT eh?

Adam, our defensive injuries for starters. Riggott is a massive player for us, as is Quedrue. Johnson is not a patch on Downing and Cattermole is nowhere near as good as Boateng.

adam1979 Posted on 12/2 18:33
re: McClaren OUT eh?

TOO FCUKING RIGHT

Lisbonlegend Posted on 12/2 18:36
re: McClaren OUT eh?

Vlad - Charlton we were crap, no defence of the manager or team. Sunderland they scored a flukey early goal which changed the game completely cos we became anxious when we missed several first half sitters. Blackburn, Arsenal and Villa we had too many key players missing.

B2B, yes I am for real and you know I'm right.

Back2Basics Posted on 12/2 18:41
re: McClaren OUT eh?

But every other teams suffers the same over the season.

By your reckoning we might have only beaten Chelsea yesterday because the sun got in Cech's eyes.

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Lisbonlegend Posted on 12/2 18:44
re: McClaren OUT eh?

B2B - Every team suffers the same over a season? How naive are you? The sun wasn't shining yesterday.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 12/2 18:45
re: McClaren OUT eh?

unfortunate to lose to Wigan?

didn't you go to the game?

they controlled it for the main part and we were lucky to get back to 2-2!

Back2Basics Posted on 12/2 18:46
re: McClaren OUT eh?

?

Yes it was.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 12/2 18:49
re: McClaren OUT eh?

C2C - yes I did got to the game. We were poor in the first half but were much the better team in the 2nd but were unfortunate to concede a last minute goal.

B2B - So every team has exactly the same number of injuries during a season? The sun was not shining in Peter Cechs eyes.

Back2Basics Posted on 12/2 18:54
re: McClaren OUT eh?

Yes, it's a pre-determined figure at the start of every season by a panel of FA experts.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 12/2 19:00
re: McClaren OUT eh?

Exactly.

Back2Basics Posted on 12/2 19:02
re: McClaren OUT eh?

No not "exactly". I could continue but with you not taking any other opinion into account there would be no point.

reidy86 Posted on 12/2 19:02
re: McClaren OUT eh?

lisbonlegend you obviously talk out of your @rse, and no doubt you've been dug up the backside of mcclaren at some point, or you don't bother going to matches and just wait till mcclaren gives his interviews after the game, 90% of the people on these boards want mcclaren out and the resons are obvious other than to idiots like you, we've been out fought tactically on the pitch to many times this season for mcclaren to survive, wake up and smell the coffee, you bumb ass

Lisbonlegend Posted on 12/2 19:04
re: McClaren OUT eh?

I talk out of my arse? How did we get on yesterday? I'm sorry, you mustn't have been at the game.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 12/2 19:04
re: McClaren OUT eh?

we conceded the last minute goal against Wigan because they were dominating the game and we weere scrambling to hold on to a draw.....shouldn't have been that way, they were shocked by our 2 goals and were reeling, we stood back and let them take control again....this is a Wigan team who are struggling with form at the moment

we struggled in both games against a very poor Coventry side too

Back2Basics Posted on 12/2 19:05
re: McClaren OUT eh?

How have we got on all season?

fatknackerlardarse Posted on 12/2 19:05
re: McClaren OUT eh?

"you bumb ass"

How Strange!!!!

Lisbonlegend Posted on 12/2 19:06
re: McClaren OUT eh?

I take everyone's opinion into account if they can back it up with real arguments based on the FULL facts.

reidy86 Posted on 12/2 19:06
re: McClaren OUT eh?

you must cut and paste old messages your like a broken record get a life the majority want mcclaren out and you dont like it, tuff

Lisbonlegend Posted on 12/2 19:07
re: McClaren OUT eh?

I'll see you all at the UEFA cup final, that's if you can face supporting Steve McClaren.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 12/2 19:07
re: McClaren OUT eh?

How old are you reidy? 10?

reidy86 Posted on 12/2 19:08
re: McClaren OUT eh?

and i'll see you in the championship if mcclaren survives, which i doubt

Back2Basics Posted on 12/2 19:08
re: McClaren OUT eh?

"I take everyone's opinion into account if they can back it up with real arguments based on the FULL facts".

16th in the league - 44 goals conceeded.

Back2Basics Posted on 12/2 19:10
re: McClaren OUT eh?

One win and were going to win the UEFA cup.

You couldn't make it up !!

Lisbonlegend Posted on 12/2 19:10
re: McClaren OUT eh?

Oh, I didn't realise they were the FULL facts.

reidy86 Posted on 12/2 19:11
re: McClaren OUT eh?

people like LL are self opinionated and are so blinkered they cant see whats in front of them... concratulations to mcclaren he's brainwashed someone into believing his spin

LOCOMAN Posted on 12/2 19:55
re: McClaren OUT eh?

I think yesterday was a case of the players motivating themselves against the champions elect, lets just see how we do against the relegation rivals. This dire season cannot be forgotten just because we beat Chelsea, I still think the management team is useless and need shipping out asap.Mr Mc Claren has a proven inability to motivate against lesser teams.

LOCOMAN Posted on 12/2 19:57
re: McClaren OUT eh?

We beat Sunderland because they are without doubt the worst team ever to have graced the premiership.

BERWICKHILLS_BOPPER Posted on 12/2 19:57
re: McClaren OUT eh?

lisbon legend= alistar browlee

you like facts? look at post with our stats for season-
16th in league and 44 goals conceded.

but hey lets forget that on the basis of 1 game shall we? i will glady eat humble pie with the rest of the sane anti smacs if we are at the uefa final and a respectable finish in the league.

but unless your a blind ra ra you know we me and the smac outers are gonna be going hungry come the end of the season.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 12/2 19:59
re: McClaren OUT eh?

Blah, blah, blah.

Middlesbrough 3- 0 Chelsea. Suck my balls.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 12/2 20:00
re: McClaren OUT eh?

Let battle commence.

Junenius Posted on 12/2 20:00
re: McClaren OUT eh?

Lisbonlegend - you should realise that any positivity round these parts is frowned upon. And god help you if you defend the manager.

It is simple - anyone remotely positive is a clueless ra-ra that is up McClaren's a***. It is the negative, doom and gloomers that are the only objective ones - they're the realists.

BERWICKHILLS_BOPPER Posted on 12/2 20:04
re: McClaren OUT eh?

lisbon- "Middlesbrough 3- 0 Chelsea. Suck my balls."

i do beleive mr mclaren already has that job as payment for your ginger groupie pr work?

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reidy86 Posted on 12/2 20:06
re: McClaren OUT eh?

look at LL's comments when he's losing an arguement, its always



blah blah blah

Lisbonlegend Posted on 12/2 20:07
re: McClaren OUT eh?


jimmyrav Posted on 12/2 20:26
re: McClaren OUT eh?

LL- The last 11 games have been crap

I meant league games. Which is quite obvious really,

but you choose to score a cheap point by citing games against Nuneaton and Coventry as part of a decent run of form.

Basically as others have said, there arent many, apart from you and Briggsy, who have been fooled by yesterdays result.

Fair play to all at Boro for the day however the season has been awful!!!!!

reidy86 Posted on 12/2 20:28
re: McClaren OUT eh?

and LL'S reply will be

blah blah blah

before he says it

jimmyrav Posted on 12/2 20:31
re: McClaren OUT eh?

It wont make that much sense

Enjoy your little moment of justification for the manager LL,it wont last long

LOCOMAN Posted on 12/2 20:32
re: McClaren OUT eh?

LL one small point re UEFA cup final and supporting McClaren, I dont support him I support the team!! I think he is crap but I love my team always have always will!!!!

reidy86 Posted on 12/2 20:33
re: McClaren OUT eh?

think you said it all locoman, where as LL thinks the sun shines out of mcclarens @rse

The_Commisar Posted on 12/2 20:34
re: McClaren OUT eh?

Bandito loves this, he posts something controversial just looking for people to bite.
He's had 140+ bites.
Well done, he'll struggle to get his ego through the door.

Junenius Posted on 12/2 20:37
re: McClaren OUT eh?

Pack of pathetic sods. It almost seems as though you are willing Boro to fail just to justify your own opinion on McClaren. The lack of support given to Mac and the team for the last few months has been a disgrace, especially considering the level of unprecendented success delivered during McClaren's time here, which is conveniently dismissed.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 12/2 20:39
re: McClaren OUT eh?

JimmyRav - you said last 11 games, so no it wasn't obvious that you meant league games otherwise you would ahve said league games. Typical to change your argument when it's not looking very good eh and for some reason cup games don't count in the world of JimmyRav.

reidy - You aren't bright enough to understand the game so there's not much point saying anything to you other than blah, blah, blah. You are wrong, the last 2 games have just been like a large slice of humble pie for you, you must be gutted.

Actually as I have said many times before, the sun does not shine out of McClaren's @rse, he's made many mistakes but some of youa re so blinkered that you blame anything and everything on him. You are just digging yourselves a nice big hole to jump into. Whereas me, if he fails then I'll look forward to the next chapter in Middlesbrough's life.

Back2Basics Posted on 12/2 20:40
re: McClaren OUT eh?

"Pack of pathetic sods. It almost seems as though you are willing Boro to fail just to justify your own opinion on McClaren. The lack of support given to Mac and the team for the last few months has been a disgrace, especially considering the level of unprecendented success delivered during McClaren's time here, which is conveniently dismissed."

Pathetic.

jimmyrav Posted on 12/2 20:42
re: McClaren OUT eh?

McClaren has had all the plaudits from or cup win and will always be remembered by Boro fans as the man who brought our first trophy.

However he has served up 14 months of dross, negative and unimaginative football (with a few decent games thrown in). His tactics have at times left even his most loyal backers speechless and his attitude towards certain results and the supporters feelings has been one of total arrogance.

He made the rod for his back so theres no point whining when people go fishing.

Junenius Posted on 12/2 20:43
re: McClaren OUT eh?

The thing that these pillocks can't quite grasp is that when a team is so low on confidence, with a crowd on their backs and everything going against them it will take time to turn it around. It isn't going to happen overnight.

I thin we actually started the process of recovery after the 7-0 Arse game.

Since then there have been signes of recovery that were developed further yesterday. We're still not there but the signs are positive.

RAZMOND_HWDR Posted on 12/2 20:45
re: McClaren OUT eh?

aston villa beat us 4-0 a week ago, is that really a sign of recovery??

FFS!!

we have been blowing hot and cold ALL season.

Back2Basics Posted on 12/2 20:45
re: McClaren OUT eh?

Junenius / Lisbon surely your on a wind up here, if not your speaking absolute rubbish. The saddest thing is you don't realise how pathetic you sound. End of.

Junenius Posted on 12/2 20:46
re: McClaren OUT eh?

Read the post again Raz. Engage brain before posting.

RAZMOND_HWDR Posted on 12/2 20:48
re: McClaren OUT eh?

proccess of recovery started afer arsenal game eh?? 4-0 defeat a sign of recovery eh??

ffs!!

1 good game is no turn around!

Junenius Posted on 12/2 20:52
re: McClaren OUT eh?

No Raz try again. You'll get it sooner or later.

"Junenius / Lisbon surely your on a wind up here, if not your speaking absolute rubbish. The saddest thing is you don't realise how pathetic you sound. End of."

BAck2basics - I fail to see how being positive is pathetic. There are plenty of reasons to think things are going to get better. Noone denies how bad things have been but there are genuine reasons for that that aren't all the responsibility of McClaren.

I would suggest that it is more pathetic to base every opinion on a pre-determined dislike of the manager rather than what is actually happening on the pitch.

Back2Basics Posted on 12/2 20:54
re: McClaren OUT eh?

"I would suggest that it is more pathetic to base every opinion on a pre-determined dislike of the manager rather than what is actually happening on the pitch."

Haaaaaahahahaha.

I don't even have to answer!!

RAZMOND_HWDR Posted on 12/2 20:54
re: McClaren OUT eh?

why do you continue to ignore the villa game?

outmac Posted on 12/2 23:06
re: McClaren OUT eh?

since november league games are;

played 14,won 3,drawn 4,lost 7
goals for 18,against 29
points 13 from 42.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 12/2 23:08
re: McClaren OUT eh?

We shall have to agree to disagree but me and Juninius are right and you are wrong. Time will tell.

reidy86 Posted on 12/2 23:11
re: McClaren OUT eh?

LL get it into your head the majority of the fans are right you are in the wrong and even if we stay up we are right the man has made too many mistakes for him to survive, stop trying to make a name for yourself on here your going to end up looking a fool

stepat Posted on 12/2 23:14
re: McClaren OUT eh?

Chin up, LL im with you

Lisbonlegend Posted on 12/2 23:21
re: McClaren OUT eh?

Make a name for myself? Haha, like I really care what you think of me.

The majority of fans are right? Well like I said we shall see. I realise you are a sheep and believe what you are told on the Legends rather than being able to deduce what is happening yourself but don't despair, soon when we're winning again they'll even be saying so on the Legends so you can come back then and regurgitate what you've heard.

See you soon reidy.



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grantus Posted on 12/2 23:31
re: McClaren OUT eh?

I dont want to burst the bubble fellas, but.....

In Bryan Robson's last season with Boro, Burra, Borrer, whoever we are, we chalked up these wins...

Chelsea 1-0
Liverpool 1-0
Arsenal 3-0
Newcastle 2-1

Yes, we avoided relegation, but it didn't hide the fact it was a terrible season.

I've enjoyed my weekend as much as the rest of you, but lets keep perspective, please.

If we DO beat Stuttgart, Preston, Birmingham and West brom, then we will be looking at a turnaround and McClaren will have possibly, against the odds, pulled himself and us out of dire straits.

My fingers are crossed, still more in hope than belief though.

COME ON BORO.

Ps, isn't Yakubu awesome?

Lisbonlegend Posted on 12/2 23:33
re: McClaren OUT eh?

Shut it Grantus you misery.

And who signed Yakubu????????

reidy86 Posted on 12/2 23:37
re: McClaren OUT eh?

and i realise your a loner LL and its your one chance to become popular.... try again with someone else loser

Lisbonlegend Posted on 12/2 23:42
re: McClaren OUT eh?

I'm a loner. And what's wrong with that? Do you need a big gang to watch your back? Quit your bleating.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 13/2 1:20
re: McClaren OUT eh?

The man still has to go, sooner the better. Look at the attendances, falling away faster than the trend. Look at the game his teams play, boring to watch. Look at his results, poor.

Now some on here don't mind dross as long as the results are ok, but more have had enough of the poor fayre that we've had to endure for a few years now. Fans have stayed out of habit, they're seeing that there's an option now as mates drift and don't miss it. If he doesn't go, gates will be down and we'll really start to struggle. Simple as that.

3-0 against Chelsea may prove to be a poor long term result. Hope not, but there's little to indicate otherwise.

paulwilko10 Posted on 13/2 9:26
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If we started another petition, I would still Vote him out.
Even if he never went to the training ground all week, the players would still of showed the same passion and commitment.

Playing the West Broms and Birminghams when he needs to gee them up but thats when he struggles.

I want him out, but if he can turn us into a good footballing and a good winning side, then of course i would be happy.

ScarboroSmoggy Posted on 13/2 9:30
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Buddy Posted on 12/2 10:14 Email this Message | Reply
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There is an argument that says that yesterday makes it MORE obvious that McClaren needs to go. Perhaps the players can gt themselves up for Chelsea, United and Arsenal, but not for Villa, West Brom and Birmingham. Come back in three weeks.




Totally agree 110% Buddy.

gadgemasterfunk Posted on 13/2 9:46
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great result, should take the presuure off gibson to sack him until atleast the end of the season. It will still be an big talking point in the summer should he go or not. Ultimatley it will depend on season ticket sales

boroboy75 Posted on 13/2 10:11
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A 'nose-thumbing' told you so post, how petty.

bandito Posted on 13/2 10:52
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blimey. Didnt realise McClaren was still this popular.

adam1979 Posted on 13/2 10:53
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you lot are shocking, hes got it right for only the third time this season, what about the other 21 matches, ask your self this question, before the start of the season would you have accpeted us been 5th bottom in the prem, are our players ( with or without injuries ) only good enough to be 5th bottom,
people keep banging on about injuries, without injuries, players like cattermole, bates, mcmahon, morrison and even downing would not have got a look in and we would have never seen them play for the first team, so something good has come out of it, these local lads have done us proud and have played better than some of our 50k a week players.

adam1979 Posted on 13/2 10:55
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also, why werent you maclaren lovers posting messages of praise about him after last weeks villa thumping, i wonder

bandito Posted on 13/2 10:57
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err, I was.

Where've you been all season?

Lisbonlegend Posted on 13/2 10:59
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I did adam you chimp.

Link: Oh yes.

Shaun71 Posted on 13/2 11:02
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Got it right only 3 times, whatabout the other 21 times?

So Sunderland, Villa and Birmingham way he didn get it right then? Oh and Fulham at home, and safely through to the last 32 of the UEFA, and last 16 of the FAC.

Yes its been a poor season, a transitional one if you like.

I for one would like to him stay and enjoy the fruits of his labour next season. Then I think youll see Rocky and Pog, after 1 years experience in the PL shine, along with our youngsters wholl be that one year older.

So have a word Adam old son

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BossHogg Posted on 13/2 11:09
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What an utterly childish thread Bandito...

One swallow doesn't make a slut!

If we keep that form up for the next 3 months then I will withdraw my gut feeling that he's not the man for the job! In the same way that one game doesn't make him shiit, one win doesn't make him a great manager!

Well done to everyone at the club, including the fans, for Saturday. Those 3 points were more important than just beating the 'mighty' Chelsea!

bandito Posted on 13/2 11:14
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Why is everyone stating the obvious, one swallow doesnt make a blah, blah blah. Do people think I dont realise that!!! Jeezuz christ. How naive. Yeah, we beat Chelsea, brilliant, now lets beat West Brom and brum. The point of the post is to hammer home the point that MAC CAN MANAGE AS HE HAS PROVED AGAINST CHELSEA. Nothing else.

RedWurzel Posted on 13/2 12:19
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Superb defending from LL and Bandito from the hordes of banshees - see you in Stuttgart.

Yes - I know they don't want to hear , but Smac is our most successful manager ever by a mile - FACT. (he has only broken the club transfer record once unlike Robbo who broke it 6 times)

Another FACT we have won more games than we have lost this season if all games are included, despite having the biggest injury list in the country.

Smac has his faults and he is no legend, there are some better managers around, but they are very unlikely to come to Middlesbrough.

I noticed Liverpool complaining about all the games they have played this season, but my guess is that we have played posibly more with a much smaller squad. We have played more FAC and League cup games than them.

Up the Boro

Lisbonlegend Posted on 13/2 12:23
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Top post Wurzel and very true.

bandito Posted on 13/2 12:42
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beating Chelsea comprehensivley has thrown a massive spanner in the works for some people. I think they would rather see us lose just so they can come and say I told you so. It's far harder to back the manager than it is to go aganist him and too many have opted for the easy option without any substance to their arguments

Two fingers to you all, you know who you are and I know who you are aswell.

grantus Posted on 13/2 12:48
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You lot carry on like a bunch of spiteful children sometimes. It's embarresing.

borodoosra Posted on 13/2 12:48
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McClaren deserves alot of credit for getting the tactics right and also motivating the players effectively. It's been some time since both have occured at the same time. Unfortunately for him, season ticket sales will see him off unless we play at the same level (especially at home) for the rest of the season and have a good crack at a cup or two. Mind you, a good result on Thursday may get the FA thinking...

hewielewie Posted on 13/2 12:50
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Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 13/2 1:20 Email this Message
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The man still has to go, sooner the better. Look at the attendances, falling away faster than the trend. Look at the game his teams play, boring to watch. Look at his results, poor.

Now some on here don't mind dross as long as the results are ok, but more have had enough of the poor fayre that we've had to endure for a few years now. Fans have stayed out of habit, they're seeing that there's an option now as mates drift and don't miss it. If he doesn't go, gates will be down and we'll really start to struggle. Simple as that.

3-0 against Chelsea may prove to be a poor long term result. Hope not, but there's little to indicate otherwise.



How can beating Chelsea 3-0 be a poor long term result??

gibson Posted on 13/2 12:57
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The PERFECT way to answer your critics IMHO, and , no, 1 swallow doesn't make a summer, but if you read the supportive posts before chelsea, you would see that most promac fans acknowledge we should/could have done better.The Acid test is now key players are back, can we go on a roll ?

bandito Posted on 13/2 13:00
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of course we should/could have done better. We should be 12 points better off from where we are so in reality we should have had 4 more wins. Things are not that bad and have never ever reached "crisis" point. The negativity has been fuelled by people panicking unnecessarily.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 13/2 13:02
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I was a bit tipsy when I wrote that but......my thoughts were that McLaren would continue to be our manager, which for me is not a good thing.

NIMSC Posted on 13/2 13:27
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think i summed it up after the match when asked by skysports news - are the fans now behind SMAC - well not just yet, few more games - but we're always behind gibson.

bandito Posted on 13/2 13:30
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the cameras always choose the daft lads

borodoosra Posted on 13/2 13:33
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bandito - do you agree that season ticket sales will dictate whether McClaren remains in charge?

bandito Posted on 13/2 13:39
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No.

Blackburn have a good manager and sh it crowds

Next.....

grantus Posted on 13/2 13:44
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McClaren is over rated. I still would rather he left. Im more concerned to losing against inferior teams than beating superior teams.

great day, glad everyone is happy. Good for McClaren being able to watch match of the day for the first time in ages.

He still has a long way to go to change my opinion.

I sincerely hope he does though.

borodoosra Posted on 13/2 14:34
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Over the last ten years Blackburn have always had poor crowds, we have not. If season ticket sales drop below say 20,000 then Gibson must consider why this has happened. You cannot say on one hand trust Gibson he's a successful businessman but not expect him to ask questions of the management when customers drift away at such an alarming rate.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 13/2 14:35
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McClarens doing a brilliant job of getting rid of the whingers. Good work Steve.

borodoosra Posted on 13/2 14:36
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Unfortunately a whinger's pound is as good as any!

bandito Posted on 13/2 14:38
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Borodoosera: If season ticket sales drop below 20k it wont alter Gibsons opinion of McClaren. He'll just look for other ways of raising revenue or ask the manager to operate on a shoestring budget. I think you're panicking too much.

adam1979 Posted on 13/2 14:39
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we all have a right as fans to say how we feel, wether we are right or wrong, its all a matter of opinion, some people get aggresive on here for airing your views, thats what a messageboard is all about, is'nt it?

Lucky_Alf Posted on 13/2 14:40
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Lets face it, its a certainty that season ticket sales will drop at least 10%.

borodoosra Posted on 13/2 14:42
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Can anyone born post-1979 spell and punctuate? Texting has killed the English Language.

adam1979 Posted on 13/2 14:43
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meaning

Lisbonlegend Posted on 13/2 14:43
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Like it was a certainty that we'd never win another match? Fans want to see a winning team, time will tell.

borodoosra Posted on 13/2 14:46
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I'll demonstrate. I assume that 'meaning' is a question directed at me. It should therefore have a question mark after it. Meaning?

adam1979 Posted on 13/2 14:46
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Meaning?

adam1979 Posted on 13/2 14:50
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i dont understand why spelling is so important on a message board, as long as people know what your saying then whats the big deal?

Towell Posted on 13/2 14:52
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Robbo used to do well against the good teams and crap against the crap. McClaren hasn't turned a corner yet a run of 2 wins would be better than what we've managed for 18 months so that would be a start.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 13/2 14:52
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I never have a clue what you're saying adam.

adam1979 Posted on 13/2 14:57
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erm, thanks, i think. lol

borodoosra Posted on 13/2 14:57
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lisbonlegend - you beat me to it.

adam1979 Posted on 13/2 15:00
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Talk about spelling, how about about starting with a capital letter, ha ha.