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uncle_harry Posted on 21/4 18:17
The enigma of Allens West

I went past it on the train, no one ever gets pon or off, is there an Allens East North or South, wh was Allen and what was he west of Is Mr Allen Wests own private station?

sossage Posted on 21/4 18:18
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There is a restaurant in Connecticut called Allen's East.

Does that help?

uncle_harry Posted on 21/4 18:19
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Its the gift of Knowledge and I thank you for it - we may be on to summat here- here did Allen put his north and south then?

Archie_Stanton1 Posted on 21/4 18:19
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It was built in the 60`s for the old Royal Navy stores depot next to it. That closed about 10 years ago and is now a "Logistics centre". I presume the station survives to serve the part of Eaglescliffe thats near it.

I`ve no idea where the name comes from though.

dicky_rooks Posted on 21/4 18:43
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Is it the same guy who invented the key?

Derby_Red Posted on 21/4 19:02
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and furthermore, Allens West Fact Spotters, I once read that the ticket for Allens West to Eaglescliffe (a journey of yards rather than miles) is the most expensive ticket per mile on the rail network. Get that eh?

And yes it was built as a halt for the RN depot I think. Dunno where all the other Allens are though....

Mind you, I think the bigger enigma is Teesside Airport station. The amount of trains that used to not stop there thus not providing a useful service just after a flight landed was a bit silly. Was it one of those ploys to get the halt shut? (Why?).

And while we're at it, Eaglescliffe is called Eaglescliffe and not Eggelscliffe like the nearby village coz when the railway came they spelt Egglescliffe Junction wrong. Ner.

Derby_Red Posted on 21/4 19:06
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And if that's not a thread killer I don't know what is....

OPEO Posted on 21/4 19:22
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Threads on here are made of hardy matter and are not that easy to kill off! Allen was a near nieghbour of Fred the landscape gardner but that's another story.

JoeLaidlaw Posted on 21/4 19:30
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Who had a brother called John who was a fisherman.

jamesiegang Posted on 21/4 19:34
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What about Uncle Bruce who played Batman on telly?

Valer Posted on 21/4 19:34
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And while we're at it, Eaglescliffe is called Eaglescliffe and not Eggelscliffe like the nearby village coz when the railway came they spelt Egglescliffe Junction wrong. Ner.

Why is the secondary school called Egglescliffe when it's nowhere near the village?

littlejimmy Posted on 21/4 19:37
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Fred West?

I've always wanted to change the second "L" to an "I" in order to confuse any invading interstellar warriors who may choose to use the great British rail network. Who knows what they'd make of Transpennine Express coffee.

speckyget Posted on 21/4 19:40
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Allens West Fact Spotters

I'm off to start a band. Thats all there is to it.

JoeLaidlaw Posted on 21/4 19:45
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Interesting fact from Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia about Allens West

Link: The One and Only

stuartd75 Posted on 21/4 19:50
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Sadly (very sadly actually) I am very excited by this thread. For years I used to travel on the train from Cumbria for every Boro home match and every saturday used to go through this station and I have never seen any one get on or off there. Couple of weeks ago travelled up from London for the Basel game and turned to my mates and said "I'll bet you a tenner nobody gets on or off at Allen's West"....of course someone did....

littlejimmy Posted on 21/4 19:51
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Even more interesting, for me anyway, is the new train service due to start later this year called Grand Central Trains, running from London to Sunderland via Eaglescliffe and stopping at Thirsk. It will make travelling to London a lot more direct from North Yorkshire and Teesside.

Found all this out by looking at the Wikipedia entry for Thirsk station. Spiffing!

Link: Grand Central

Valer Posted on 21/4 19:53
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Plenty of people get on and off at Allens West - me for one, Keith Lamb for two; it's the nearest station to his home, and that of Steve McClaren (though I haven't seen him there). It's also nearer to Yarm than Yarm station (work that one out!) and therefore the nearest station for many of our players,(including Matty Bates- top boy last night). Dean Gordon used to live on the estate next to Allens West; Zenden used to live 2mins up the road.

Table_Football Posted on 21/4 19:57
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I used to use Allens West station. My ex lived nearby you see.

Nightmare to get to, from Skelton.

uncle_harry Posted on 21/4 20:32
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Allens West - busier than times square who'da thowt it? - is it west of somew one called allen? or is allen living west of the station?

Valer Posted on 21/4 20:45
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Matty Bates used to go to Egglescliffe school - and Haley McQueen.
Bet they both hung around Allens West Station.

10hickton Posted on 21/4 21:05
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Derby_Red............so how come Egglescliffe Comprehensive School is in Eaglescliffe ??

Jimmy_Boy Posted on 21/4 21:16
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As an Eaglescliffe resident for many years and having attended Egglescliffe school I can say with some confidence that the reason for the difference in spelling is because...


















of local legend. The village above Yarm is called Egglescliffe and apparently its all down to the mis spelling of Egglescliffe when the now Eaglescliffe was being built.

So thats cleared that up then..

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Valer Posted on 21/4 23:02
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You'd think the school would have known how to spell it!

uncle_harry Posted on 22/4 9:35
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Nearer to Yarm than yarm station, I didnt know there was one

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 22/4 9:43
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I read that the station is earmarked for closure. Along with a few others along the line!

stockton_smoggie Posted on 22/4 9:44
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Dunno much about the Station, but the bloody level crossing...'level' that's a laugh it's knackering my suspension on me car.

Jimmy_Boy Posted on 22/4 10:00
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Yarm station and Allens West are on different lines. You can't go from Yarm to Allens West etc, you'd have to go down to Thornaby and change.

They are both roughly the same distance from Yarm high street.

Allen west is on the edge of "new" Eaglescliffe next to the old MOD stores. Eaglescliffe station is in "old" Eaglescliffe off Yarm road not far from Preston Park.

Yarm station is on Green Lane, opposite Conyers School. This is the road that leads to Tall Trees.

Boro290204 Posted on 22/4 10:11
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Didn't he have a brother called Fred who married Rose and moved to Gloucester?

uncle_harry Posted on 22/4 11:22
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you cant go to Yarm from Allens west? - this country s turning to cack before our eyes

nopsfc Posted on 22/4 11:36
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I can let you all know that from Allens West you can link through by train to Graz in Austria. This I know because 3 of us did it in February 2005 to see The Boro.

Perry_Combover Posted on 22/4 11:45
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from Graz you can get the train to moscow, then the trans-siberian railway right through to vladivostock, from there its a relatively easy hop down to bangkok for example.

so basically you can get from allens west to bangkok via the medium of rail transport.

Frankieq Posted on 22/4 11:54
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Allens West station is there to serve Yarm Rugby Club.

Link: Better rail links than Twickenham!

uncle_harry Posted on 22/4 12:01
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..."so basically you can get from allens west to bangkok via the medium of rail transport"....

...but not Yarm

Frankieq Posted on 22/4 12:13
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Yeah but Yarm Rugby is now in Eaglescliffe......
Sure fire way to kill a thread on here is talk about rugby!

Link: Pride passion and sporting glory!

Paulinho Posted on 22/4 12:19
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I once got off at Allens West! I was going out with a girl who lived in Eaglescliffe. I got the bus into town, from Hemlington, and then the train to Allens West for a bit of 13-year old snogging in her bedroom. Jeez, that was 22 years ago. Happy Days mind.

Boro_Gadgie Posted on 22/4 12:21
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As someone who used to work at MoD Eaglescliffe, I too am very excited by this thread. Before I could drive (though some would say "what do you mean, before?") I got the train from Boro and used the station regularly.

There is an area of land with a cottage adjacent to the station, between the railway line and the old MoD depot. I believe the cottage is called Allens West cottage and that the station was named after the cottage. Presumaby the land belonged to someone called Allen and possibly the had more than one cottage, this one being the furthest west.

The_DiasBoro Posted on 22/4 12:45
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In fact the name is a corruption of Aliens West because the MoD site actually houses the UK's very own downed flying saucer. Not many people know this.

piggy_nichol Posted on 22/4 13:39
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When I was a kid I wasnt as good a person as I am now, (see the story about the bricklayers and the air rifle) and was travelling by train perhaps from stockton to darlington?

I only bought a ticket to Allens West and pretended to be asleep for the rest of the journey. It was 13p instead of 18p. Odd how you remember the price but not where the train was going to.

I'd always thought thats what Allens West was for, to save kids who would rather buy an extra packet of football stickers 5p on their train fare.

ayresomeangel365 Posted on 22/4 15:07
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In 1631 a bloke called Ralph Allanson owned approx 320 acres of land and a fishery on the tees...the land covered Egglescliffe,Aislaby and surrounding land
this would locate the station at the west side of his manor

Therefore I reckon there's a good chance the name comes from there

uncle_harry Posted on 22/4 16:47
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this board is great sometimes

ayresomeangel365 Posted on 22/4 16:59
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just my theory Harry after a bit of research....best I could come up with....someones gonna prove me wrong I'm sure

7_The_Informer Posted on 22/4 17:14
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Just checked on google maps and I live merely 27.3 miles from the "Allen's East" restaurant, in Stratford, CT. maybe I will have to go and pay it a visit. Though, therein lies the enigma. Why is the restaurant "Allen's East" and the train station "Allens West" ???

Derby_Red Posted on 22/4 17:25
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How wrong I was! OH well...!

AwesomeSwells Posted on 22/4 18:52
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Truly an enigma H, and come to think of it the many times I came up from the smoke and changed at Darlo' and went through there, I too can't recall anyone on or off. It felt to me the furthest place from home I'd ever been and yet I was 15 minutes away.

Can any one think of any other 'enigma' places?

sossage Posted on 22/4 19:37
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7_The_Informer,

"Just checked on google maps and I live merely 27.3 miles from the "Allen's East" restaurant, in Stratford, CT. maybe I will have to go and pay it a visit."

It's actually not that bad (for Stratford) - opposite it is a Hotel/restaurant called Marnick's where I once 'lived' for about 4 months - that is rubbish (probably why I thought Allen's East was OK - everything is relative).

uncle_harry Posted on 22/4 21:31
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so we've got a west and east version so whats next 'north allen ton '?

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janplanner Posted on 22/4 21:35
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it's a very long way from bridge of allen.

sossage Posted on 22/4 21:35
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For your North read the penultimate paragraph of the news story on the link:-


So just south to find then?

Link: Tenuous, but at least footy related

tony_block19 Posted on 22/4 21:44
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"Dean Gordon used to live on the estate next to Allens West"

Aye he did, I live in his old house, he left me an old Boro jacket with two 50p's in the pocket you know!!

Allens West is a legendary Station, should never be rid of. I use it regularly, going to and from Boro matches, and also my girlfriend gets off when coming from Darlington!!

Long live Allens West!!!!

OPEO Posted on 23/4 7:45
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Right, If there's a Northallerton where is Southallerton? Or indeed Allerton?

OPEO Posted on 23/4 7:49
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My girlfriend gets off when coming!

Maccarone_Is_Me Posted on 24/4 8:28
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Hoof

The old Yarm station is at the north end of the viaduct under Aislaby Road.

I always wanted to walk along the viaduct but never had the bottle to do it.

Maccarone_Is_Me Posted on 24/4 8:30
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Theres Allerton Bywater and Chappel Allerton around Leeds and theres an Allerton Hall off the A1.

Leedsclive Posted on 24/4 8:33
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ANother interesting fact (stretching the use of the word interesting) is that Allens West is a private station as it's owned by MoD and like British Steel Redcar's stop (if that's still open) you are technically trespassing if you get off without having official business there.

gibson Posted on 24/4 8:36
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Great Heck and Little Heck near Snaith, North Yorks, don't know where Flipping Heck is, though ?

Capybara Posted on 24/4 8:38
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Derby_Red, The Teesside Airport service is what is known as a 'parliamentary' service in that it exists purely because the authorities don't want to go though all the procedures needed to close the service. I believe one train a week stops there. A couple of seasons ago we had a nonsense kick-off - 12:45 on a Saturday, I believe - and I was on that week's service that stopped at the airport. I was amazed to see some people actually get on the train. Other 'parliamentary' services include Enfield to Stratford via the Seven Sisters-South Tottenham curve which has one service at about 5:20 in the morning, and the Fridays only Stockport-Stalybridge via Reddish service.

Maccarone_Is_Me Posted on 24/4 8:41
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Does the MoD still own the land that Orchard Estate is built on?

I always thought that residents there have to pay the MoD a leasehold thingy.

spiderbaby Posted on 24/4 8:47
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just looked it up on our copy of the Domesday Book Yorkshire 1086 AD and can't find any reference to it so must've come into existence after then not as old as you think! but could be they spelt it wrong so who knows as they did many times as Stokesley was Stoxsly and Loftus Lofthouse until the people who did the survey misheard/spelt the town names!! so maybe it was Aliens West and taken off the map.........

janplanner Posted on 24/4 9:12
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but allens west is north of the tees and therefore in durham, so it wouldn't be in the yorkshire doomsday book.

T4Tomo Posted on 24/4 9:33
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I love threads like these.

I'd like to correct the assertion that to travel from Yarm to Aleens West you'd have to change at Thornaby. Changing at Eaglescliffe is the obvious choice.

I'd also point out that whils it is indeed avery short rail journey between Allens West and Eaglescliffe (is it the equivalent of Leicester Square to Covent Garden on the Picadilly line) its actualy quite a long walk between the two as you have to take a long route around to get over the Yarm railway line.

I might hop onto the platform a couple of seconds and hop back in when I pop up for the game on Thursday, just to say I've been there like.

Maccarone_Is_Me Posted on 24/4 9:41
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You don't have to walk the long way round, isn't there a tunnel under the railway at the bottom of Albert Road going over to that new estate?

the_broken_fridge Posted on 24/4 9:46
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I thought I'd an my own train buff knowledge to this thread.

On my way to work I pass through a town called Whittlesey. However, it's train station, and only its train station, is called Whittlesea.

This is depsite the place being nowhere near the sea.

The_Commisar Posted on 24/4 10:10
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I once got off the train at Allens west when it didn't stop there...got the train from Newcastle to Boro at 5-30am, "allens West please"
"we don't stop there"
"EH!"
"Hang on I'll have a word with the driver"
.............."OK, we won't stop but we will slow down for you"

Great, door opens and I accelerate from 0 to 15 mph in two steps
Great fun
Not !

unclebill Posted on 24/4 10:22
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If the Whittlesea you are talking about is the one on the edge of the fens then I think you'll find a lot of villages and towns in that area have seaside connotations i.e. Waterbeach, Littleport, Horningsea, etc. All from the days before they drained the fens.

the_broken_fridge Posted on 24/4 10:24
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That is true, although then fens were drained before the railways came to town.

I live in Chatteris until I escape on Friday, and that has a Dock Road at one end of town.

The main puzzle is the difference between town and station spellings. I may google and find out.

unclebill Posted on 24/4 10:35
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I live near Downham Market for my sins and probably won't escape for many years.

the_broken_fridge Posted on 24/4 10:42
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"Whittlesey appears in the Domesday Book as Witesie, but it is probable that the name derives from Whittle's Ea, where Ea is a Saxon term for an island"

This explains the historic variation, but not the current variation.

I'm only escaping to spalding, so it's not that much to look forward to! I've been to DM a few towns, seems nice! There is a pub off the A10 not too far off that is lovely. Can't remember the name, but it has a few cats roaming the bar and I spoke Tony Martin in there once.

unclebill Posted on 24/4 10:46
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The Hare Arms - very nice pub. I've seen Tony Martin there a few times myself. I think it's his local now.

spiderbaby Posted on 24/4 10:51
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found out more re allens west domesday book........seems that Durham wasn't included in't book for the following reason?? so that clears up that argument

'Durham (with Northumberland) was not included in the Domesday survey and Chaplais argued that its bishop, William of St Calais (1081-96) was the ideal person to be made responsible for writing up Domesday Book because he had no personal interest in its findings'

Link: durham not in domesday book

ayresomeangel365 Posted on 24/4 12:52
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round about the same time that Ralph Allenson owned the land in 1631,a rich man owned the adjoining manor..a chap called Mr Urlay...hence Urlay Nook!!!....there u go....wonder where the nook came from??

Derby_Red Posted on 24/4 16:21
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Thanks for the info Capy.

That's the sort of facts you need if you are one of those types hell bent on covering every mile and chain of British railway metals. For example.

T4Tomo Posted on 24/4 16:30
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Can I point out I out Capy'd Capy on railway line knowledge (specific to the west coast mainline between Cheddington and Watford) on Sunday, which was a scary moment for both of us.

Derby_Red Posted on 24/4 16:34
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Good grief.

I can also point out a few years back there was delerium in the east midlands when Derby to St Pancras services were diverted through Corby on a Sunday over the freight only line. Or so I heard....

Archie_Stanton1 Posted on 24/4 17:04
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In my trainspotting days i was good mates with a signalman who worked at Urlay nook Signal Box. I used to go and see him, and he`d let me signal the trains whilst he read the paper. I`ve changed the signals for Allens West many a time.
Beat That!!

Capybara Posted on 24/4 17:23
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If, indeed, there is a verb 'to Capy', then surely the past participle is either 'Capied' or 'Cappied' - most likely the former, but certainly not something with an apostrophe in it. Which brings us neatly back to the subject of Allens West. It kind of DEMANDS an apostrophe somewhere but, the question is, where? We are, presumably, on to an Earl's Court/Barons Court scenario here.

As for T4Tomo's knowledge of the West Coast Main Line, it WAS rather disconcerting, though we did have an interesting post-Cheddington chat about the Great Train Robbery and how far the station is from the village and free car parks and .....

OPEO Posted on 24/4 17:43
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At any time of day or night you will spot a spotter on the bridge over the marshalling yards at teesside park. Loonies.

jayno Posted on 24/4 17:46
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my brother works the signals at allens west..what a boring job.

OooOo Posted on 24/4 18:03
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I am confused about the stuff about Egglescliffe being misspelled as Eaglescliffe. I mean Eaglescliffe makes sense as Eagles sit on cliffs and stuff but have you ever seen an Eggle sitting on a cliff and what is an Eggle anyway and should it be Eggle's Cliff?

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Cobain_94 Posted on 24/4 18:05
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I was thinking similar as I passed through it on the way back from darlo uncle harry. I'd never heard of it, I don't think it actually exists.

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HarrysDaffodil Posted on 24/4 21:06
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The 'eggle' bit of Egglescliffe comes from 'ecclestial' ie church-like because it translates to 'church on the cliff' and refers to St John's Church which looks down over the River Tees and Yarm. Apparently.

Geek.

uncle_harry Posted on 24/4 21:15
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the reason I brought it up in the first place was that i was on the train from Darlo on thursday night and a lad on the carriage asked me - it wasnt you was it Mr_94 - I nearly said to him, i've got no idea mate but i know a message board that would

ayresomeangel365 Posted on 24/4 21:21
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the new flats being built on the old garage site on yarm bank behind the cleveland bay is to incorporate original archways from the S and D Railway coal drops c/w visitor info board.
I badgered the local councillor into getting this done and am very proud of my achievement !!...so there!!

johnnyboy74 Posted on 24/4 22:05
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And FrankieQ tried to kill this thread with rugby nonsense!!!

Cobain_94 Posted on 24/4 23:50
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uncle h

Wasn't me mind, I hadn't heard of it until a few months ago and I don't know anyone that's ever been there or lives there, maybe people go there never to return. Following the link for pointless pub quiz trivia by the way:

Link: Allens West

Capybara Posted on 25/4 9:10
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Does anyone know the yardage and the coinage required?

T4Tomo Posted on 25/4 9:24
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£1.05 single. Pass on the yardage.

Probably won't see you in SandG on Thurs Capy as me cousin is getting up to Boro pretty early also and he'll be wanting to tick a wetherspoons pub visit of his list for the month.

Capybara Posted on 25/4 9:29
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In that case, Wikipedia is wrong. If you include the London Underground as part of the rail network, that is. The cheapest single fare is three quid these days if you don't have an Oyster card. Which makes Lecester Square to Covent Garden a whopping £15 a mile, I reckon.

tony_block19 Posted on 25/4 9:41
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Long live Allens West!!


T4Tomo Posted on 25/4 9:50
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Catch up Capy (see 24/4 9:33 post).

Take your point on the verb to "To Capy" maybe "out Capyied" as Capy is a proper noun, but then can you verbalise a proper noun - I give up. I was always decent at Maths but poor at English and educated in an era when the teaching of grammar wasn't thought to be essential.

gravy_boat Posted on 25/4 9:52
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I've got off the train at Allens West loads of times.

I used to pester my Gran to walk up there with me every summer holiday when I was kid. We'd get one of those big, flat round mince pies from the butchers at Orchard shops on the way home.

Infact, I got off there only about 3 weeks ago. But that was only because we'd been drinking all day in Boro and got the train back to Eaglescliffe. Unfortunately when we got to Eaglescliffe, we tried to get off the wrong side of the train, so it started moving again before we could get off.

I was just grateful we weren't spending the night in Darlo.

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littlejimmy Posted on 25/4 10:14
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I propose the formation of an Allens West Appreciation Society. We should have a monthly meeting at the station. Imagine how freaked out people on passing trains will be to see actual people at the station.

I'll bring the egg sandwiches.

Kilburn Posted on 25/4 10:46
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It is 944 metres between the two stations.

Link: According to this.

Capybara Posted on 25/4 10:51
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Excellent work, Mr K. A snip at only £1.79 per mile, by my calculations. The Heathrow Express is more expensive than that (I think).


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boroboy75 Posted on 25/4 10:53
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Scored many a goal on the football pitches next to the place.
Do they still have power-lines going above the pitches?

MontagueWithnail Posted on 25/4 11:05
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Isn't the poposed service from sunlan to lanan supposed to stop at Allens West, or was it Eaglescliffe??

littlejimmy Posted on 25/4 11:08
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Eaglescliffe. See link in my earlier post.

gibson Posted on 25/4 11:19
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This Batman thread is brill...Oh sorry, that was ADAM West.

Capybara Posted on 25/4 11:35
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The Grand Central plan is potentially exciting. It's a walk-on service which, technically, GNER services are but the number of seats set aside for those who pay on the day can be quite small. It will suit me well if the times are OK. Have you seen any proposed timetables, jimmy?

littlejimmy Posted on 25/4 11:46
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I haven't, Capy. My only concern is that they won't be able to maintain ECML line speeds once they come off towards Eaglescliffe - presumably at Northallerton. It shouldn't affect me getting on at Thirsk though. Direct trains to the Smoke would be brilliant.

Capybara Posted on 25/4 11:51
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I usually use the Trans-Pennine service beyond York and you are right that they can't travel fast between Northallerton and Eaglescliffe, but they still cut out a big corner. It's about an hour from York to Middlesbrough so if the connection was immediate the travelling tome from London to Middlesbrough would be around three hours. I suspect that, with the Class 222s they are intending to use, London-Eaglescliffe will be around 3hrs 15 minutes which is pretty good. It's more a case of when they run rather than how long they will take that interests me.

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gibson Posted on 25/4 11:52
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Mallard hurtles thro' at 100 plus.

gravy_boat Posted on 25/4 12:10
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boroboy75 Posted on 25/4 10:53
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--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Scored many a goal on the football pitches next to the place.
Do they still have power-lines going above the pitches?

Not as many as me, I care to wager lado!

I think the power lines have gone, all the other pylons in Eaglescliffe have been dismantled now. At the back of the pitches which used to be open land, there is now a housing estate.

*Adopts West Yokshire accent* All very different from when I were a lad.

T4Tomo Posted on 25/4 12:19
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Could be a useful alternative but GNER to Darlo and then the "Allens West Express", as I now like to think of it, to Boro is still the quickest way, but could be a good option for a cheapish last minute journey as GNER is friggin expensive if you leave booking your ticket too late.

Still leaves a dilemma though - GNER and risk of being surrounded by Geordies or Grand Central and risk of being surrounded by Mackems.

What would be best is to have the departures from Darlo of the Allens West Express somehow coordinated with the GNER services and some connections involve a 10 mintes wait which is fine but some involve 20 minutes or more waiting at Darlo. Will possibly be same with this service and waiting at Eaglescliff.

boroboy75 Posted on 25/4 12:52
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gravy, it wasn't my home pitch, but on a couple of occasions I single-handedly dis-mantled Yarm Town boys hopes of winning the North Riding Cup.

Capybara Posted on 25/4 13:49
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That's precisely why it's a good idea. Trains should be 'turn up and go'.

gravy_boat Posted on 25/4 16:16
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BB75, who did you play for? I was a Yarm Town Boy, but we usually played at Conyers school. Played for Egglescliffe Comp at Allens West on a regular basis though.

The most wind-swept football pitches known to man.

boroboy75 Posted on 25/4 16:20
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Gravy, that particular Yarm team had a little fat cry baby playing up front for them (JPR).

janplanner Posted on 25/4 16:27
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i always assumed that the "allens west express" was timed to coincide with gner trains arriving from london, such was their incompatibility with the train arriving from edinburgh. if they are equally inconvenient to both, then i feel slightly less put out.

i'm always waiting in darlington for at least 28 minutes.

gravy_boat Posted on 25/4 16:38
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Hmmm, not sure if I know who you mean. How old would he be now?

boroboy75 Posted on 25/4 16:40
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30/31.
I also vaguely remember playing against Yarm at Preston FC.
Is that place still there?

Frankieq Posted on 25/4 16:51
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What have you got to do to kill a thread these days?

gravy_boat Posted on 25/4 16:52
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Couple of years older than me that, but I probably do know him. What's his first name?

Preston FC?

Do you mean the old pitch at the end of Oak Road opposite Preston Park? Preston Primary School own it. If so then yeah, thats still there. I haven't played there since I was about 9!

Come on, out with it, who did you play for?

rilodog Posted on 25/4 16:54
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Well Allanís west still has a (station, STOCKTON the birthplace of railways has no railway station what is going on there then [:o]

Derby_Red Posted on 25/4 17:21
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Talking of this Grand Central effort, does anybody remember the "Cleveland Executive" in the 80s? A HST service direct from Boro to London calling at Eaglescliffe, Northallerton, York and I think Stevenage? Made its way down from Newcastle via the coast route but only picked up at Stockton on the way down (I'm struggling here, it might have done Hartlepool too) then went round the back of me mam's (wahey) to Boro, then back out again.

Many an early morning wake-up with that thing braying its way past Bowesfield Junction. Ahhh happy days, Boro on the Inter-City map.

But not for long.

T4Tomo Posted on 25/4 17:34
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Rilodog - since when?

Link: stockton - alive and well

OPEO Posted on 25/4 17:43
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When I was a supervisor for M.P.Burkes we put some Cable TV ducts in the footpath past the old ticket office near boathouse lane. We came across some buried railway lines which we were told were the original line. I suggested they (Stockton council) leave them uncovered at that spot but they didn't want to know.Could have attracted trainspotters from fer afield.

rilodog Posted on 25/4 18:54
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T4TOMO you call that a station it is a half way house for the homeles ...

ayresomeangel365 Posted on 25/4 18:54
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Stockton Council are the biggest bunch of naive prats under the sun!!....to totally ignore the towns only serious claim to fame bewiders and disgusts me.
It's such a golden opportunity to transform the shithole of a town into something decent...steam is such a massive worldwide attraction...look at Grosmont for instance.
they might wake up one day...doubt it but

littlejimmy Posted on 25/4 19:46
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You worked for MPB, eh OPEO? I used to enjoy slashing money off their valuations for Water Mains rehab work back in the early '90s.

St_George_Dragon Posted on 25/4 20:04
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BB75... give a clue on JPR??

gravy the Preston FC pitch is the one over the railway bridge at the end of Witham Avenue...I think?

Used the Oak Road one with cubs though

NorfolknGood Posted on 25/4 20:39
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Derby Red
I will see your Cleveland Executive and raise you a Highwayman. Ran in the early 70's from Thornaby or Eaglescliffe (or Stockton even) to Finsbury Park. Perfect for the days when I lived in Walthamstow and Seven Sisters.

uncle_harry Posted on 26/4 8:19
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who knew how big a place allens west plays in peoples lives? The Allens West Appreciation Society will need a number of symbols and artifacts - Boro have a lion what should the AWAS have?

T4Tomo Posted on 26/4 8:57
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Apols Rilodog, clearly I've touched a nerve. I've never been to Stockton so would know what the station is like. Grosmont is very nice but Stockton should have more to shout about in terms of railway heritage if nothing else.

Derby_Red Posted on 26/4 9:05
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Norfolk - ahh, bit before my time that, was it some excuse to move trains around back to depots for the next day?

As for Stockton, there were plans by a heritage group in the late 80s to create a museum/steam railway centre on what was the old Stockton sheds just north of the station. Quite ambitious but nothing more elaborate than what Waterman did at Crewe. A shame really, that.

Dunno what to suggest for the AWAS logo though...I'll have a think on.

littlejimmy Posted on 26/4 9:12
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I'd suggest either a classic grey ET holding a compass or...a duck in plus fours.

The_DiasBoro Posted on 26/4 9:46
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That Highwayman / Teesside Executive was before they gave up on it, I think, the only Inter City service that had no 1st Class. Maybe that's why the fabled "executives" didn't use it.
They need to build a high speed line along the route of the A19 to make Teesside part of Britain. Failing that, upgrade the sad Darlo-Saltburn route so that it has trains that do a breathtaking 60mph. Or just tarmac it over and have buses instead.

jax_1 Posted on 26/4 9:46
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Bit of a long shot but I'm sure one of you will know the answer.

When travelling twixt m'bro and York, you pass a railway carriage restaurant. Does anyone have any idea where exactly this is?


Secondly, on that same journey, is it only me that still smiles, everytime I see that stuffed/toy dog in the window of the house near thirsk?

littlejimmy Posted on 26/4 9:52
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Jax, it's called The Sidings and is in Shipton-by-Beningborough, which is on the A19 just this side of York. It has some bedrooms and is quite a good restaurant. You sit in the carriages themselves and it's all very authentic.

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Capybara Posted on 26/4 9:54
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Except you don't go along.

Now, this stuffed dog. Where do I look for that? Haven't noticed it before.

jax_1 Posted on 26/4 9:56
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Thanks Jimmy and hiya btw

It's puzzled me for a while has that. Though I didn't think it looked big enough to have bedrooms, it's only 2 or 3 carriages long isn't it?

littlejimmy Posted on 26/4 9:58
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There are a few carriages and a building or two. I think they only have a couple of bedrooms.

What you on about now, Capy?

AwesomeSwells Posted on 26/4 10:00
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I'm up for AWAS; It'll get cult like twin peaks and X-files.

How about for the first meeting we do the most expensive train ride in the UK.

From Kilburns post:

Allens West railway station is in the borough of Stockton-on-Tees and the ceremonial county of County Durham. It is located on the Tees Valley Line and operated by Northern Rail who provide all passenger train services.

(A ticket for Allens West to Eaglescliffe (a journey of yards rather than miles) is the most expensive ticket per mile on the rail network.)

Capybara Posted on 26/4 10:01
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Oh, just amusing myself

jax_1 Posted on 26/4 10:01
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LOL Capy



There is a house just before Thirsk it is I think, it's very close to the track so you can't miss it and in one of the bedrooms, there is dog stood on the windowsill. I thought it was real for ages.







Oh yeah and the other thing I was going to ask was......

Are there rules about planes taking off/ landing whilst trains are going past the airport, as I have never seen either of these happening when I have been on a train, which to be fair isn't that often.

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Capybara Posted on 26/4 10:12
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I'm pretty intimate with that line so I'm guessing it's on the right hand side as I usually sit on the left, for some reason. Going north, that is.

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littlejimmy Posted on 26/4 10:16
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Ah, yes. No, the carriages don't actually move. I was thinking they should employ people to shake them while you're sat in there eating. Now, carry on amusing yourself.

jax_1 Posted on 26/4 10:17
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If travelling facing oncoming trains,heading to York, it's on your right hand side Capy. I'm sorry I have no idea which direction that is.

The_Mighty_LC Posted on 26/4 10:19
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I'll be going through Allens West tomorrow evening on the way to the match (having left London at 1530, from doing a full days work beforehand), and then on Friday morning on the way home (travelling from 0900 onwards, straight back to work in west London. Finish at 2300, go home for a few hours kip, then back up again at 0415).

Oh yes, Boro fans are worn out at the moment...

janplanner Posted on 26/4 10:26
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i remember going on a school trip to london in the late 80's and we got a direct train to kings cross from eaglescliffe.

at the top of the slope on the footbridge, someone has painted "welcome to hell" on the tarmac. i know eaglescliffe isn't my favourite place, but i thought this was a tad harsh.

The_Bozza_Rogue Posted on 26/4 11:12
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I used to use Allen West every week for about 10 years. I used to get the train to school(Egglescliffe) from Dinsdale(Middleton St George). Half the time you wouldn't have to pay. I also used it to get to Yarm for a night out, on occasions my mum wouldn't give me a lift.

BB75/Gravy, I don't want to blow my own trumpet, but I think I'd win on the goal scoring stakes. I do have the advantage of still playing there on a Sunday. 14 years of playing on the windiest pitch's around.

CleveleysSmoggie Posted on 26/4 11:18
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I'm coming by train tomorrow, so I will be looking out for the dog.


What is it called? ( Allen???)
Is it on the East or West side of the track? ( West???)

and finally is it North or South of Thirsk?

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jax_1 Posted on 26/4 15:11
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LOL Cleveleys


It's between Thirsk and M'bro and you can call it Allen if you wish, it's stuffed so it ain't gonna argue

uncle_harry Posted on 26/4 17:48
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Perhaps we should have some one called, 'allen' 'Mr Allen e.g Ray Allen' or a Mr West, or indeed a Mr Allen West - on a flag in profile like the queen is on stamps and money

CHEESE_PIES Posted on 26/4 18:10
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Is that new Eaglescliffe >> London service in lieu of the GNER train, or in addition ?

Will the prices be similar, or will there be a "price war" (thats only if its in addition to)

Capybara Posted on 26/4 18:15
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It's an additional service. Grand Central got it ahead of GNER who wanted some extra 'paths'. It's a walk-on service (ie no need to book) and the return fare is expected to be about £60 (Middlesbrough-London Saver is £89).

PapaJohn Posted on 26/4 19:19
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When Allens West was the station for the Royal Naval Spares parts staff only, local residents had to apply for a special pass to use the trains which occasionally stopped there.

I know this cos me mam had one.

I can also hear the announcements at the station from my old bedroom.

uncle_harry Posted on 26/4 20:19
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Cuts in the budget for railway signeage means that the station is rumoured to be renamed 'Al's W' next year! - the resistance starts here at the virtual home of the Allens West Appreciation Society

uncle_harry Posted on 27/4 8:39
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there's an optician called 'Allan Southern' - thought you'd like to be kept up to date with events

T4Tomo Posted on 27/4 9:14
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I'm a bit gutted as I'm on the 14.00 out of kingsX today but changing at Darlo (and only having to wait 10 mins in Darlo which is a bonus).

I might hop out for a second at Allens West just to say i've been on the platform - however as I'm not doing the York - Boro bit I won't get to see the Stuffed Dog of Thirk. Same route back as well, I well miffed.

Capybara Posted on 27/4 9:17
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You'll still be going through Thirk, though, albeit at about 100mph faster than if you are on the Yorsk-Middlesbrough train.

jax_1 Posted on 27/4 9:20
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LOl T4

Never mind, it will still be there the next time you pass.

I was just thinking, maybe it has it's own little legend about how it used to protect rail travellers from highway men ( otherwise known as G.N.E.R. ticket collectors ) and how it would run daily between Allens West and Thirsk, keeping the track clear of fallen leaves.



Anyway, I hope that you and all of our other travelling fans, have a very safe and pleasant journey today.

littlejimmy Posted on 27/4 9:48
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Thirk?
Having a Lecester moment again, Capy?

Capybara Posted on 27/4 9:51
re: The enigma of Allens West

Nope. You need to read things more carefully

jax_1 Posted on 27/4 9:51
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If you look very carefully L.J. You will see that 's; travelled by express to Yorsk





I rather like that though. Yorsk. Could catch on ya know




Good morning btw, how are you today?

T4Tomo Posted on 27/4 10:20
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Damn you Capy ,you are right again, track doesn't branch off to Boro until Northallerton, I'll see if i can see a blur as we flash past.

The Ovaltine factory just by kings Langley is being converted into luxuary apartments by the way. Bet you didn't know that!

Jax - legends of highwaymen and GNER ticket inspectors, what are you on about?? - you're bonkers love. See a shrink right away.

jax_1 Posted on 27/4 10:25
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T4


Have you only just figured that out?


I daren't see a shrink though. As it is, I need a grappling hook to get up the kerb, imagine the problems I'd have if I was any smaller

littlejimmy Posted on 27/4 10:30
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Bah. You keep laying these traps, and like a big, clumsy bear, I keep walking right into them.

I reckon it'd be around Petersborough by now.

I'm OK thanks, jax. Looking forward to tonight's match. Didn't sleep very well last night, mind. You?

--- Post edited by littlejimmy on 27/4 10:31 ---

PapaJohn Posted on 27/4 11:03
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Its a great post this, both Kings Langley and Eaglescliffe mentioned in the same post.

Wonder if any other places I have lived in will be mentioned!

Capy - The Ovaltine development is very impressive.

jax_1 Posted on 27/4 11:11
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Glad you are ok L.J. Am sure you weren't the only one to have difficulty sleeping last night, big night ahead, it's just like Christmas Eve when you were a kid.
Am sure we will win though

Capybara Posted on 3/5 9:21
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Just outside Waterloo station in London, I observed the other day, is a piece of lineside equipment which says 'Allenwest Brentford' on it

Capybara Posted on 5/6 16:40
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Huth.

uncle_harry Posted on 5/6 17:55
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aww the loyal thread has come back home again - bless I was just telling some one today about one of the joys of this site is the eplotation of items such as Allens West. And since Ovaltine had been mentioned - did you know that it is a title born of a typographical error - the stuff was going to be called 'Ovamaltine' being made from eggs and malt, it was written down wrong aquired the name Ovaltine and the rest is rather peculiarly tasting history

ayresomeangel365 Posted on 5/6 18:53
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pleased to let you know the original S and D Railway coal drop arches are being lovingly restored at the building site behind the Cleveland Bay on Yarm Bank.
go have a look sometime...amazing what a good rant at your local councillor can do innit!!

Rondo_1 Posted on 5/6 19:54
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The Sidings has two carridges that were given to the bloke who owns them as a leaving present from British Rail. They were going to be scrapped but he asked for them.

uncle_harry Posted on 6/6 8:43
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hoofing for Mr Bara

Capybara Posted on 6/6 8:58
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Thanks, unc.

uncle_harry Posted on 6/6 18:16
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mebbe Allens West Academicals got relegated into the Rymans league and had to play near Brentford

uncle_harry Posted on 21/6 19:49
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Allens West Update - date line 19:44 - 21/06/06. Allens west is i confirm, in fine fettle, relatively litter free apart from a rogue wrapper on platform one, ( possibly a Kit Kat chunky) as I was paying my respects from my carriage seat I recieved what can only be described as 'the finger' from a youth. One of two possibilities spring to mind 1- He is propsing the gesture as the Allens West Appreciation Society Salute ( "Allens West railway's number one station") or 2 he was one of the Dinsdale posse trying to infiltrate their rivals station - the Dinsdale lot think they're it with their fancy galvanised steel shelter.

--- Post edited by uncle_harry on 21/6 19:58 ---

ayresomeangel365 Posted on 21/6 20:30
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one can only feel sorry for such a plebian as he obviously has no respect for his fellow anorak and oh how he missed out on the golden age of steam!...the smells and the thrill of seeing and hearing sir nigel gresley and co thundering through Darlo...maybe he should be sent to Grosmont as a punishment to realise what he missed??

jax_1 Posted on 21/6 21:58
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I'd have thought he was saluting you and your new title, your Lordship

uncle_harry Posted on 21/6 23:01
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Do you know, thats what I thought too, I think he was a bit confused because he called me a 'count' - I put him right though I told him Im an Earl

--- Post edited by uncle_harry on 21/6 23:01 ---

jax_1 Posted on 21/6 23:05
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LOL Uncle H.

Frankieq Posted on 31/7 13:39
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Allens West still there! Big season coming up for its local rugby club.

Link: The Twickenham of the North

Capybara Posted on 31/7 13:46
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Funny you should say that, as only last week I was writing on another thread about the urban myth of the Allens West to Eaglescliffe trip being the most expensive in the UK. In particular, I mentioned that Twickenham to St Margarets must be a contender if not for the overall title but certainly higher in the 'league' than the Allens West instance.

PapaJohn Posted on 31/7 14:00
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I took the train from Liverpool Lime Street, changed at York and Darlington and arrived at Allens West in one piece about 4.5 hours after departure and 35 quid in spending.

The platform was tidy but for a young bloke on crutches having a somewhat close liasion with a young lady, similar to what I saw in Amsterdam a year or so back.

Is there such a thing as Station 'Dogging'.?

My ticket said Liverpool to Allens West!!!

ayresomeangel365 Posted on 31/7 18:03
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three cheers for Allens West!!!.....what an enigma.....the jewel of the north

uncle_harry Posted on 31/7 18:15
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I suspect the sexual tomfoolery being perpetrated on Allens West's hallowed tarmac was between two of the Dinsdale possee possibly of the opposite sex to each other

dis-gusting I call it

--- Post edited by uncle_harry on 31/7 18:16 ---

ayresomeangel365 Posted on 31/7 18:40
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would never have happened in George Stephensons time...their heads would have been on the end of pikes on yarm viaduct

uncle_harry Posted on 31/7 23:12
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let me be serious for a moment. There are times when people fankly are a bit of a let down, avaricious, narrow minded, plain violent and willfully stupid. But then a fleeting moment of creativity here, a tiny kindness there a little bit of inventiveness and I'm encouraged all over again. 179 posts celebrating Allens West Station, only here on FTMTMTMTMTMTMMTMT no other group of people could do this.

I bow the knee you youse all

uncle_harry Posted on 26/8 18:58
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Newsflash - I have it on good authority that the feature film 'once upon time in allens west ' will begin shooting soon

ayresomeangel365 Posted on 26/8 21:25
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Allens West could soon be servicing a major 600 plus housing estate if the planners get their way!!...the old MOD site has been sold off to a development company of which our friend John Prescott's son has an interest
Could this be AW's chance of fame?...moving on to bigger and better things??...no more the enigma??

uncle_harry Posted on 6/9 19:13
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I'm going to Londodn on friday - so that means Allens west here I come!

uncle_harry Posted on 6/9 19:13
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I'm going to London on friday - so that means Allens west here I come!

ayresomeangel365 Posted on 6/9 19:42
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have a good trip uncle H .....give my regards to AW....hope the enigma is looking fine and dandy!

uncle_harry Posted on 6/9 19:45
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i shall keep people abreast with developments

uncle_harry Posted on 10/9 15:02
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Good news on the Allens West front, it looked in fine fettle on friday, the hawthorne bush was in fine fettle and the Kit kat chunky wapper has been removed.

As for Dinsdale Station, is this what Robert Louis Stevenson * invented the Rocket for? I think not


* I know I just felt like getting it wrong

George1507 Posted on 10/9 16:09
re: The enigma of Allens West

Although the shelters at Dinsdale are somewhat utilitarian, they are still better than what was there before - ie nothing.

Years ago there was a long building on the bridge over the track which housed an office and a ticket office. The clock hadn't worked for year - it always said 3.25. The building was demolished, as is the way of things, to make way for nothing in particular. There is a bike rack there now I think.

The platforms at Dinsdale are about 150 yards long. I can only assume that express trains were expected to run through there at some time. The current 1 coach train looks very silly on a platform of that length. The drivers usually stop at the start or end of the platform to ensure everyone has to walk to the train.

Mind you, compared to Teesside Airport station - sorry Durham Tees Valley - sorry Durham airport station, Dinsdale is like Grand Central.

ayresomeangel365 Posted on 10/9 16:16
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good old fashioned train spotters getting some bad press on this board today I see!!...they dont know what they're missing!!
the sight of Silver Fox or Sir Nigel Gresley thundering north through Darlo still fills me with pure excitement and bewilderment
kids today must have some exciting hobbies eh??

OPEO Posted on 10/9 20:18
re: The enigma of Allens West

What's east of Allens west?

Critic1 Posted on 10/9 20:39
re: The enigma of Allens West

That would be Eaglescliffe station.

Derby_Red Posted on 10/9 20:45
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Good point about Dinsdale, I always wondered why the platforms were so long. Interestingly (?) the station's on the rerouted bit of the Stockton to Darlo line, the original route veers off on the right of the train as you head towards Darlo just before you go round that squeally S-curve before Dinsdale, used to have some works storage sidings there years ago, think even all that's gone now if I remember right.

Bessie Posted on 10/9 20:50
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Allens West Today

Link: Allens West Today

ayresomeangel365 Posted on 10/9 21:01
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thats not a very grand sign for such a historical S and D landmark is it?...will have to lobby the local council chap and see if he can be persuaded to arrange something more in keeping with the famous enigma that is AW

uncle_harry Posted on 10/9 23:33
re: The enigma of Allens West

Thank you Bessie



I wept

squiffypants Posted on 11/9 0:06
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I should point out that if the clock was stuck at 3.25 then in fact it was working ( in the sense it was 100% accurate) twice a day.

JoJon Posted on 11/9 9:57
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The day this thread originally appeared I was driving in Brighton, musing on the memories sparked off by the thread - I used to have a girlfriend who worked at the Admiralty who got the train to Allens West from Stockton every day - when I saw this opposite me at the traffic lights.

Link: ................

uncle_harry Posted on 11/9 19:54
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and people say the universe is just a bunch of chaotic stuff - how can you read that last post and still believe that?

ayresomeangel365 Posted on 11/9 20:04
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sheesh...theres romance for you....such enigmatic power of coincidence JJ

maybe you should find your lost love and marry her on the platform at AW!!...we'll have a party!!

madlad Posted on 12/9 11:52
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This thread is just fantastic - so much info for the station - great stuff.

I remember actually, somewhere around 1990 that I was home on leave from the RAF and had to get the InterCity back to London. Thing is, it was a sunday, and I had to get on at Eaglescliffe instead of Darlington.
I had always wondered how they got that bloody 125 into Eaglescliffe so I watched intently as we moved out southbound. It actually took the route through Northallerton and rejoined the main line somewhere near there.
That was my first real brush with Allens West and the name is what caught my eye.
I had always wondered where the name came from, but reading this thread has answered all my questions!
Anyone know why we had 125's at Eaglescliffe in the late 80's/early 90's?
I could never work out why they didn't just come all the way into Middlesbrough. Instead I had to get a train to Eaglescliffe, get off, then wait for the 125 there.
Bizarre!

john_lillie Posted on 12/9 11:53
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the 2 ton enigma!

i drove past allens west the other day and thought of this thread

blotonthelandscape Posted on 12/9 11:54
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beaten by a Lillie

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Capybara Posted on 12/9 11:59
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They were probably being diverted because of engineering work if it was a Sunday. It is quite a regularly-used diversion, using a freight-only line which leaves the main line at Ferryhill. It was probably just a diverted Edinburgh-London train. They still do this but it is much more of a palaver these days since the ECML was electrified and it involves hooking up a diesel engine on front of the train at York and taking it off again at Newcastle or vice versa depending on the direction of travel.

Eaglescliffe will see 125s again when Grand Central starts its Sunderland to London service in December.

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littlejimmy Posted on 12/9 12:08
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There are no railways at all in the UAE. Call me sad, but I miss trains and railway stations.

PumpingGnome Posted on 12/9 12:09
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In the mid / late '80's there used to be a direct Middlesbrough - King's Cross train one each direction per day. The train used to call at Sunderland, Fartlepool, Stockton, Middlesbrough (turn round) then Thorn Abbey, Eaglescliffe and thence down to Northallerton.

I used to get this train when I used to have to go London for meetings. It was a pain in the asre to be quite honest - it was always the train that got shunted onto the side lines if there was any chew with the rest of the main line stuff. Would probably have been quicker going to Darlo. Actually, you can strike out the probably. Disappeared off the timetables eventually, probably because people got to realise that it was quicker going to Darlo.

janplanner Posted on 12/9 12:16
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wouldn't a railway bridge further down the tees be great? hartlepool to middlesbrough in one leap.

madlad Posted on 12/9 12:36
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Capy.....
You Da man!

Cheers geezer

ayresomeangel365 Posted on 12/9 12:51
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the original plan was to build a railway bridge over the Tees into Boro,but was deemed too expensive
To save costs the line was diverted inland through Eaglescliffe etc....and to stick one up the Railway bosses the big wigs of Boro sanctioned the building of the Tranny and Newport bridges to show them what we could do!
Just think if Boro had become a main line station..we might have become a city....who knows?
Eaglescliffe station was huge....3 or 4 platforms and associated buildings

jiltedjiff Posted on 12/9 13:52
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Middlesbrough was Yorkshire's first ever passenger railway station - preceding the Leeds - Thirsk line by several months. That was due to it being an extension of the Stockton and Darlington.

Capy - Grand Central will not be using 125s. They will use class 222 (or is it 322?) which is pretty similar to Virgin Voyagers.

In the proposed timetable the Grand Central service will take 5 minutes longer between Northallerton and York than the current Transpennine service from Middlesbrough (7:15) does and runs about 15-20 minutes later.

Capybara Posted on 12/9 13:58
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You are, of course, absolutely right, jiff, it's the 222s. I could have sworn I read something, somewhere, about 125s, though. Losing it.

T4Tomo Posted on 12/9 13:59
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but presumably gains more than that back by not having to change at York to get to Kings Cross?

jiltedjiff Posted on 12/9 14:06
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Tomo - I was just a tad surprised the Grand Central took longer than Transpennine between Northallerton and York with the same single stop at Thirsk. Would have expected them to cover the 20 odd miles from Thirsk to York a bit quicker.

The Grand Central service is at Eaglescliffe at 7:38 - transpennine at Yarm at 7:30. There does nto appear to be a service from Middlesbrough to Eaglescliffe between those 2 so connection would have to be made at northallerton - hardly the best planned timeslot. Surely grand Central should have considered a stop at Stockton?

T4Tomo Posted on 12/9 14:09
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I always thought the transpennine express Manchester to Scarborough was a bit of a misnomer so yes I find that a tad surprising too.

You've lost me on the timetable stuff but I'm sure Capy will be along to explain all soon.

Capybara Posted on 12/9 14:37
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I'm only guessing but it could be because that's what it has to do to fit in with existing timetabling. Grand Central fought long and hard for this route and in the end they have probably had to settle for what the authorities will let them have. The bit of ECML between Northallerton and York is extremely busy with not only GNER trains (which use the fast lines) but also Virgin Cross-Country, Trans-Pennine Express (from Newcastle as well as Middlesbrough) and freight trains using the route. The timing is probably quite generous to allow for any delays that might occur as seems to be the case for the whole route to London considering it is a 125 mph service.

jiltedjiff Posted on 15/9 14:06
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Something to delight Uncle_Harry - rush hour at Allens west!

Yesterday evening because of lightning strike at Leeds there were no transpennine services getting through to York so i had to get a Virgin train from York to darlo

The 5 to 5 from Darlo to Saltburn was delayed till almost 5:15 and the one before that had not run so there were about 3 trainloads on it. There must have been over 2 dozen got off at Allens West and even more than that got on. Must have been the busiest its ever been.

Thought you would like to know about that Harry.

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Capybara Posted on 28/11 17:39
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Just to clarify, Grand Central are going with 125s (HSTs) and not 222s. They are trying to buy and convert some sets. The delay in this means that they won't be starting running in December after all and it will be sometime next year. GNER are taking it to some European Court or other.

Capybara Posted on 6/2 8:59
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It might say on here.

Capybara Posted on 6/2 9:01
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Actually, I thought Allens West was only opened in the early 1970s, but it might be a reopening which would explain why the platforms are built more substantially than the wooden affair at Teesside Airport which was opened at about the same time.

Lelgie10 Posted on 6/2 9:22
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Thanks for that Capy/Zoec. I cant actually find anywhere on that link as to why it got its name from but let me know if i missed it!

Capy-this is basically the article he sent me up last night? It is from some Railway Journal.



Allens West Station at Egglescliffe, Stockton on Tees was built in 1943 by the London and North Eastern Railway as a private halt for workers at a nearby Admiralty Depot. It was given up by the Ministry of Defence in 1971 though it had been available for public use for some time for some time before. It is served by a Saltburn-Bishop Auckland Service. The site of the station is of interest as here was the Yarm halt of the Stockton and Darlington Railway until 1862. The Yarm goods branch also left the main SandD line here and it terminated at a depot in Egglescliffe across the river from Yarm, which was cloased in 1871. .

The question raised is how did the station get its name? Enquiries in the Yarm/Egglescliffe area have failed to elicit any answers.

Capybara Posted on 6/2 9:36
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Excellent stuff that. It answers a few questions. In particular, why it was built during the war. In general, very few (if any) railway stations were built during the war. It's the reason, foer instance, why the Northern Line in London wasn't extended as had been planned before the war; all construction stopped when the war started and the money wasn't there afterwards to continue the project.

But it doesn't answer the main question, obviously. And if that is Allens West, is there, and where is, Allens East?

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Lelgie10 Posted on 6/2 9:50
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Glad that you found that article to be useful.

Rereading the thread (real interesting thread actually) the two main theories on the name are:

There is an area of land with a cottage adjacent to the station, between the railway line and the old MoD depot. I believe the cottage is called Allens West cottage and that the station was named after the cottage. Presumaby the land belonged to someone called Allen and possibly the had more than one cottage, this one being the furthest west.

In 1631 a bloke called Ralph Allanson owned approx 320 acres of land and a fishery on the tees...the land covered Egglescliffe,Aislaby and surrounding land this would locate the station at the west side of his manor.


But still the question hasnt been firmly answered i dont believe.

T4Tomo Posted on 6/2 9:51
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Shocking spelling/typos and grammar, even after the edit Capy.


We also haven't pondered whether there is an Allens Central out there or not.

Moreover was it originally Allen's West?

Capybara Posted on 6/2 10:03
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For my own reasons, I opted to change, briefly, into a Lancashire accent. Not aware of any grammatical errors.

The sign on the picture on the other thread clearly has no apostrophe and it is a pre-privatisation sign so I would expect it to be correct.

T4Tomo Posted on 6/2 10:13
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That's far to logical Capy. I was more thinking it could have originally the site where a great man of old had dropped his waistcoat and thus known locally as the site of Allen's Vest. Through passage of time it became Allens West.

scuzzmonster Posted on 6/2 11:17
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Phew. Took some reading but what a fantastic thread.

Lurkalot Posted on 6/2 11:38
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An "Allen" was a breed of bird found only in the north east. This breed became extinct in the late 40's. The station was actually named "Allen's Nest" as the birds were prolific in this area at the time of the station being built.

Unfortunately, the signwriter employed to paint the station name boards was Eric Scrote, a well known dyslexic from Yarm ..... Allen's West was born.

An interesting fact is that also due to Eric's dyslexia, Yarm was know as "Mary" between 1939 and 1942.

Sleaford_Socialite Posted on 6/2 11:43
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"Central are going with 125s (HSTs) and not 222s. They are trying to buy and convert some sets. The delay in this means that they won't be starting running in December after all and it will be sometime next year. GNER are taking it to some European Court or other"

Any dates on when this will start Capy?
And the where it will stop on route?

Sleaford_Socialite Posted on 6/2 11:44
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Double Trouble

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Lurkalot Posted on 6/2 12:04
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To be serious, I used to live at Eaglescliffe (1979 to 1990). The 125's coming through on a Sunday were a regular sight, this was due to engineering/electrification works elsewhere. During these times Eaglescliffe was incredibly busy.

Up until the early 80's there was a sleeper train which came down the coast line from Newcastle, calling at Sunderland, Hartlepool, Stockton, Eaglescliffe, then Darlington. At Darlington the train parked up in one of the dead end platforms for about an hour. The Deltic (I think it was a Deltic) used to do a run around and be attached at the other end of the train, before it set off south to Kings X.

Also, there WAS a 125 service between Middlesbrough and Kings X, although I dont think this service lasted for too many years. It was very useful though, as I could get a direct Eaglescliffe to Kings X train and be in London by about 10.30am.

Derby_Red Posted on 6/2 13:00
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Yeah that was the Cleveland Executive, Lurkalot, that I was prattling on about earlier in the thread (didn't expect you to spot that like on a thread this size!). It ran twice a day at one point if I remember rightly.

Capybara Posted on 6/2 13:12
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The Grand Central service is actually in the current timetable but with a note to say that it will start some tome during the currency of the timetable. The latest estimate I heard was May, at the earliest.

T4Tomo Posted on 6/2 15:17
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Pretty big timetable then Capy?

Sorry couldn't resist.

uncle_harry Posted on 6/2 17:36
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I was doing a tightrope walk 100 feet above high force and my Enigma of Allens West thread-o-meter went off!
who's been posting on my thread?

like the three bears who inspired that question i am asking rhetorically and will read them subsequently

uncle_harry Posted on 6/2 18:35
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This threads 1st anniversary is a Saturday ( Boro are away to United in the Theatre of Greed). I shall be travelling to Allens West to doff a cap to this most enigmatic of Stations

Sleaford_Socialite Posted on 6/2 20:03
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I feel duty bound to have a look now.

spiderbaby Posted on 6/2 20:30
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absolutely delighted to see this old chestnut rear it's bonny head, what about the cross sectoral thread of

how the (allens) west was won!

Capybara Posted on 7/2 8:40
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As I would have posted last night if ot had let me, put it down to my dodgy 'o' key.

uncle_harry Posted on 12/3 16:52
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FAO all who have been bitten bt the romance that is Allens West Station, I'm at the point of completing my quirky thriller type project 'The Search Engine' (available at no good bookshops now or ever most likely. Fittingly the saga ends at one of the nations -nay the worlds most enigmatic locations

Link: strong men will weep

speckyget Posted on 12/3 17:20
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Make sure harryfans have a chance to purchase that opus H, else hellon or at the very least chuntering will, or indeed might, ensue.

Capybara Posted on 12/3 17:25
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Hipkintastic on a mantlepiece and no mistake.

Capybara Posted on 22/3 11:31
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Hoff for Spoof.

ayresomeangel365 Posted on 22/3 13:00
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hey there's gonna be steam going through AW very soon!!!

NELPG Dales trip passing through soon on a tour!!

yippeeeeeeeeeeeee...see you all there with yer flags!!!!!

Rondo_1 Posted on 22/3 13:02
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I was at Darlo station this morning and the train before had to call at Allens West, I thought about this thread and also if anyone would board the train.

Jon2977 Posted on 22/3 13:04
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Allens West is one of those places you are not sure why it exists. Its on the edge of another world, bit like Loftus and out that way.

uncle_harry Posted on 23/3 17:45
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it seems our musings have stirred the regions movers and shakers

Link: ftmtmtmtm ahead of the game once again

Capybara Posted on 23/3 17:48
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And they are naming the PLACE after the STATION

ayresomeangel365 Posted on 23/3 17:56
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Allens West....soon to be the thriving hub of a new metropolis...the Kings Cross of the north east.....c/w the 'floating train'....a phoenix rising from the ashes of the S and D.....what a grand old lady she is!!

Sleaford_Socialite Posted on 26/3 15:28
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Public Exhibition Venue:
The Exhibition Trailer, Orchard Shopping Parade Car Park,
Durham Lane, Eaglescliffe
Opening Times:
Friday 30 March 12 - 6pm Saturday 31 March 10am - 2pm


Anyone going down?

Sleaford_Socialite Posted on 26/3 19:12
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No one then, is it losing its allure?

smoggyramone Posted on 27/3 8:14
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On arriving at Eaglscliffe, the wonderful piece of graffite heralding the fact that 'E'CLIFFE CASUALS KICK TO KILL' always used to make me chuckle. Not having been there for many years now is it still there???

Also the Doc Marten boot with BBB written underneath it that graced the underpass at Middlesbrough station. It was there for years...

Capybara Posted on 4/4 9:50
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Apropos some earlier posts, I found this .....

Link: ............

PapaJohn Posted on 10/4 10:27
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Read the 'leaflet' from the planning exhib and it appears it gonna be a huge development. Looks very impressive. I reckon it will happen but my folks reckon there is a lot of local opposition, regarding lack of skools, roads etc.

Could be Eaglescliffes own Ingleby Barracks.

ayresomeangel365 Posted on 10/4 10:35
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I would like to point out that after much council lobbying by myself the S and D original coal drop arches have been restored.
They have been incorporated as part of the new Parklands development on Yarm Bank.
Together with a visitors notice board they will be open for public viewing in due course.
Well done to the developer and apologies to the council for much whingeing and moaning but they could not have been demolished and lost forever.

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bodysausage Posted on 16/6 1:08
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This station was named after the enigmatic comedy duo Clive Allen and Mae West.

Cobain_94 Posted on 16/6 1:13
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I booked a train the other week to manchester airport on the way to Thailand. Boro to Manc was the quicker way but why did I not book it via Darlo through Allen's West. I pray my friends can forgive me.

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boro74 Posted on 16/6 1:17
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Magic thread...

TeessideCleveland Posted on 16/6 1:27
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And if that's not a thread killer I don't know what is....



How fookin' wrong you were

uncle_harry Posted on 16/6 12:45
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Capybara was nominated for a CBE for his services to this thread

Rumour has it that he turned it down in protest about the decision not to install a vending machine on the platform that would dispense Dairy Crunches, Bar Sixes and Waifas (Plain)

The Allens West Appreciation Society Salutes him

ps Nice historal work by Mr or Ms Sausage there, I always believed it was a joint business venture between 2 'Allens' Allen Ladd (shortarsed cowbot actor) and Allen A'Dale ( Man in tights in Woods) and John West ( the worlds greatest fish tinner)

thats the first time the words 'fish tinner' have ever been used in the history of creation

Derby_Red Posted on 17/6 13:14
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I'll try again then TC

Must say though I'm a bit disappointe my Cleveland Executive contribution went unnoticed earler on. Perhaps I should take this as a hint.

Capybara Posted on 18/6 9:23
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It certainly didn't go unnoticed, D_R. Silent appreciation in these parts.

Sad to say my link up there no longer shows an HST at Eaglescliffe as it once did

Capybara Posted on 16/7 14:25
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Apropos of not very much, but it's railway related. The train I was on caught fire this morning. Class 450.

T4Tomo Posted on 16/7 14:41
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Spectacularly or just a bit of a smokey smell?

Capybara Posted on 16/7 14:58
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Enough for everyone on the train to be turfed off, turfed back on again and call the fire brigade. And enough to, effectively, close the whole line. There was visible smoke.

uncle_harry Posted on 16/7 17:58
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were you on a train from olden times?

T4Tomo Posted on 16/7 18:00
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Its hardly 3 carriages a blaze as you plough through clapham junction though is it Capy!

If you are going to be inconvenienced you might as well have a decent story to tell.

Frankieq Posted on 16/7 19:07
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Can't believe that this thread is still rockin.
Huth!

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manoxy Posted on 16/7 19:26
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i used to work at the logistics centre next to allens west station packing make up for a living. i used this station twice daily. grim days

billyashcroft Posted on 16/7 21:50
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got on the train there yesterday!

backofthenet_ascl Posted on 16/7 21:52
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Manoxy - you didn't work for Virgin Vie did you?

Sleaford_Socialite Posted on 29/11 13:59
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hmmmmmmm

showman21 Posted on 29/11 14:10
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There are also 4 signal boxes in Norton.

North, South, East and West. Why?

Jase_rw Posted on 29/11 16:46
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There used to be a railway station in Norton many years ago. Think it went under the Beeching Axe.
May explain the number of signal boxes.

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