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Tweek Posted on 24/4 0:31
Downing can't defend him anymore

Spineless effort from a grade a prima donna shocking performance today i have stuck up for him time and again on here but when he pulls out of a challenge 5 mins from time in an fa cup semi final you can't defend that.

???????

BoroPhil Posted on 24/4 0:34
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

f-ck off. the lad was as gutted as anyone, you could see it at the end. some people won't be happy til he breaks his leg going in for a 50-50 challenge.

we don't need to have a scapegoat.

Tweek Posted on 24/4 0:36
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

hey i have stuck up for him big time on here but today he just wasnt there and when he pulled out of that challenge well words fail me.

20_Briggsy Posted on 24/4 0:37
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

leave the lad alone. he didnt do nowt wrong today.

he gace it all.

we were unlucky.

stepat Posted on 24/4 0:37
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

Poor today, but still the most likely to make something happen. His overall game has improved dramatically, tracking back and covering fullback. Downing alone was not the reason we lost, half the team failed to perform today.

ian1969uk Posted on 24/4 0:38
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

He could have nicked that ball, though, and set up an attack, Instead, he completely pulled out of any sort of challenge. I remember it because it made me shout out loud.

juninho_the_legend Posted on 24/4 0:38
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

very poor performance today, is he really as good as people say? No he isnt, wish people would realise he is just a very average player.

Coulth Posted on 24/4 0:39
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

If he's going to fufill his potential he has to toughen up, simple as that.

Not expecting him to be flying into challenges, but he really needs to harden up a bit.

Tweek Posted on 24/4 0:39
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

Briggsy belive me the anger towrds him where i was was suprising he is not the player he was two years ago some one needs to have a word and get his head sorted out.

johnmcp Posted on 24/4 0:39
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

Downing was crap from beginning to end. His pathetic displays have been going on for too long merley to be a temporary phenomenon. He rarely attempts to beat a defender. Rather, he looks to get rid of the ball with an easy angled cross in to the box. His free kicks are inept as his his shooting. I believe him to be a nine day wonder, a player who shone briefly, faded, never to shine again. I hope that we accept any decent offer from him.

Boro_Gadgie Posted on 24/4 0:39
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

You can't hesitate in a challenge in that situation. That aside, he had an off day today. Put over a couple of half-decent corners but that was it. He wasted set pieces and didn't contribute anything positive second half. He's been playing well lately but was poor today. Just when he needed a good performance with the whole nation and the England manager looking on.

ccole Posted on 24/4 0:41
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

The boro crowd need a whipping boy, and Downing is that person. Vickers, Gill, Parkinson etc…..

Given pressure and expectations at 19 years old that most of us couldn’t even dream about handling.

I think he is over rated, but I won’t publicly slag the lad because he is not as good as I want him to be?

20_Briggsy Posted on 24/4 0:41
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

downing for englanddd
downing for englanddd
downing for englanddd
downing for englanddd

Tweek Posted on 24/4 0:42
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

Not at all he has the ability but at the mo he is not playing to a standard befitting an england international.

20_Briggsy Posted on 24/4 0:43
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

apart from the last 2 games he's england material.

Tweek Posted on 24/4 0:43
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

No chance not on his current showing. he should be though

ccole Posted on 24/4 0:45
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

Carlton Palmer was an England international.

What big England game has he been involved in?

Like the lad, you believe the hype.

Cut all this England bullshyte and just let the lad play.

gibson Posted on 24/4 0:51
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

Quite clearly heard him today, shout to Franck, don't give it to me.
!!!!!!!!!

The_Commisar Posted on 24/4 7:31
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

The sooner we offload him the better, anything over 6 mill, snap there hands off, we can use the funds for the next manager.
No heart, no bottle, no pride.

keelo Posted on 24/4 7:44
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

and he's getting so full of himself lately with this "big star" attitude of snarling at people at every opportunity,but after yesterday all questions of England should be washed from his head cos.....HE'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH

gravy173 Posted on 24/4 7:44
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

considering he's meant to be a boro lad he's got the heart the size of a pea, 2 crosses in 90 minutes aint good enough, i think he's also shown that he cant play as part of a midifield three at all as he doesnt want to have the ball and if he gets it it goes straight back to the passer. I think taylor showed him up yesterday and on that showing he'd be closer to going to the world cup than downing

RavsDad Posted on 24/4 7:51
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

Downing is living on selected good performances from (mainly) about TWO YEARS AGO. His ratio of good/moderate/poor performances would not make great reading now. His England appearance marked the point where he arrived and also a high water mark in form.

Most of all, what supporters want to see is effort and commitment. A committed performance from a player with limited talent will usually outweigh a gutless performance from a player who is robbing himself and the fans.

Downing for England? Well, let's put it this way. If he was a Newcastle player and he got into the World Cup squad what would you say? The same as most people say about Dire (sic), I suspect.

tweedle Posted on 24/4 8:05
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

As I said yesterday on Century there's more chance of my wife's hamster going to Germany than Downing.

You're 1-0 down with 5 minutes left, you get a free kick inside right position, just outside the box. Do you:

(a) Have a crack at goal;

(b) put one into the box for the big lads to have a go at; or

(c) for the 3rd time in the game float a pathetically weak attempt aimlessly 6 feet over the bar?

RavsDad Posted on 24/4 8:10
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

Think that's "c" then is it?

tweedle Posted on 24/4 8:12
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

Congratulations RavsDad you get a £30k a week contract and Briggsy's unbridled adulation.

scoea Posted on 24/4 8:14
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

Typical reaction. When in doubt look for someone to blame.

He played well first half and faded in the second. His stats tell you all you need to know, as far creativity goes he's up there with the best.

As a young Boro lad doing well I would have thought he would get more support, instead he is jumped on by the likes of forza.

RavsDad Posted on 24/4 8:16
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

Downing is living on a free kick he scored with about a year ago. Is he demanding the ball or is it the lack of willingness of others to say - "Hang on, we need something different this time."

I mean, his success rate has to be about 1 in 100. But if no-one else grabs it...

keelo Posted on 24/4 8:17
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

well its all very well for people to come on here and be passionate about EVERYTHING Boro and woe betide anyone who dare say anything detrimental about anything, but this thread is spot on...Downing for England has been a joke from the start and yesterday summed it all up...we all want to see Boro players doing well and playing for the national tem is the feather in the cap, not just for the player, but for the fans too. but to say Downing is England answer...Sorry but that is a joke!!

scoea Posted on 24/4 8:21
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

No, what is a joke is the need to have someone to blame. Downing should be supported and not attacked.

He has come back from a serious injury and to me is getting back to his best. Just because he doesn't charge about throwing himself into challenges doesn't mean he isn't trying or has no bottle.

If you want a team of 11 that will dive into tackles then go and watch a Northern League game.

Boateng can't put a decent cross in - does that mean he should be booted out? A team full of Boatengs will win nothing nor will a team full of Downings. All I care about is how well the team do and we are a much better team with Downing in it.

tweedle Posted on 24/4 8:28
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

Boateng is not on the pitch to cross the ball. Downing is.

keelo Posted on 24/4 8:38
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

Boateng can't put a decent cross in - does that mean he should be booted out? A team full of Boatengs will win nothing nor will a team full of Downings. All I care about is how well the team do and we are a much better team with Downing in it.


We all want the team to do well !!! all I am saying is yesterday 2nd half Downing was terrible(but not alone) and England should be wiped from his mind (job for Beswick at last!!!!

heaton_mersey_boro Posted on 24/4 8:39
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

Downing was shyte yesterday. But these things happen. He was'nt the only one.

He has to realise he plays for Middlesbrough FC not Stewart Downing FC.

I honestly thought he had been subbed second half, until his name popped up after about 70 mins.

No need for the hysteria though.

pinkben Posted on 24/4 9:02
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

amazed by some people on here, what kind of a comment is"we wont be happy until he goes for a 50/50 ball and breaks his leg" so what, it comes with the territory of getting mega bucks, you have to work and want the ball all he does is hide,take your downing tinted coloured glasses off and then maybe he'll knuckle down and put a bit of effort in,i've spent massive amounts of money as have alot of people and i expect a bit of effort not shirking a tackle! massive let down from pickos pet

skiprat Posted on 24/4 9:39
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

When will certain people realise on here, that we don't want Downing flying into 50/50 challenges and injuring himself all game, we have players to do that and they do that well.

What WE want is Downing flying into 70/30 challenges in his favour and NOT bricking out of them. He had a perfect opportunity to win the ball yesterday, in the last 5 minutes of the FA Cup semi final, the biggest game of his career, to try and win the ball, in his most dangerous position and what does he do? Jumps out of the way.

I would actually like to know what's going on in his thoughts when he does it.

Big_Shot Posted on 24/4 9:40
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

I thought a FA Cup semi final wasn't the time to try him in a different position. I don't see why we needed to changed things so drastically because of the loss of Morrison. Looking back we should have started 442 with either Maccarone or Parnaby on the right. I'd have also played Taylor at left back as he worked really well with Downing against Charlton.

Kilburn Posted on 24/4 9:49
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

He was always likely to suffer from 'second season syndrome' like so many talented young players before him have.

They have a great breakthrough season, where they are full of confidence, fit and fresh and everything comes easily. Then the next season they have to face up to the realities of having a career in professional football.

Suddenly it doesn't come so easily. Opponents have worked out a plan to neutralise them, they find themselves having to cope with playing through niggly injuries and fatigue. He will either adapt and come again, or won't and fade away down the divisions.

dsp007 Posted on 24/4 9:53
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

If Downing wasn`t a local lad ,he`d be slaughtered for some of his performances .Doriva does what he is in the team to do and gets slated for not attacking,yet Downing doesn`t do the job he`s in the team to do and is defended a all cost by some.the lad has been lucky that he shone for a couple of months and earned himself a big contract,he is now sitting back on that and basicly sticking 2 fingers upto the Boro fans with far too many performances like yesterday,yes he goes through the I`m gutted charade at the end but his workrate and passion over the 90 minutes showed that to be some sort of after thought. He had 90 minutes to make fans beleive he was passionate and only chose to use about 15 of those the rest he squandered and yes he wasn`t the only one but he had plenty of room and space and failed to take on his man,he is a liabilty when playing the way he did yesterday,as players bomb forward expecting him to get to the byline and he doesn`t and they are caught out of position but still make it back before he`s crossed the half way line.He should look at Aaron Lennon at Spurs a proper wingerand don`t use injuries as an excuse to defend him,if he needs games then he should play,what he needs is a heart .

davyboy2004 Posted on 24/4 10:12
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

I just hope 1 day football supporters would stop being fickle and support the team and stop trying to find escape goats. I was at the match and was gutted but we have to move on to Thursday and get behind the team.

Is it possible we could wait until the end of the season to judge players rather than game by game.

Fever_dog Posted on 24/4 10:58
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

to say downing is the whipping boy is a bit much. He hasnt performed well consistently for ages yet the fans stil get behind him. He always has the fans on his side so he gets a bit of criticism, he deserves it !

Reading1967 Posted on 24/4 11:17
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

when he ducked out of that Challenge you could tell he was aware of the furious reaction of the fans
let him big it up in the Dickens again and someone please remind him he has the heart of a mouse

dsp007 Posted on 24/4 12:04
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

It`s time for Downing to move on for the good of the club and the player,yhis may seem to be a strange thing to say but as long as he`s at his home town club on a big contract,then he`s never going to reach his potential.He is not like Shearer who would give anything for his hometown club,he`s already resting on his local lad done good laurels and knows that no matter what he will always have the support of a large section of the fans merely for being local.
he would have to work much harder at another club and this may be what he needs to regain what brief form he showed 2 sesons ago.
Yes he may well turn out to be a world beater but at the moment thats not looking likely and the club can`t and shouldn`t wait forever for him to achieve this,being local doesn`t give him the right to play when he doesn`t deserve to.

damit1968 Posted on 24/4 12:20
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

I honestly can't understand what game people were watching yesterday, Downing did well (along with Taylor) in the early part of the game then West Ham altered things and Ferdinand had him for pace.

Yakubu and Rochemback were woeful yesterday, The Yak has been off for a while and I doubt he would have played had Viduka been fit. He was falling about all over the place, for god's sake the warm-up is the time to assess what boots to wear.

Rochemback was only chesting the ball for the first half an hour then his free kicks were awful.

Few players had great games (Taylor looks a good prospect) but I think we lost because of mental attitude not tiredness, we could and should have equalised late on, which demonstrates that we weren't drained.

I hope they pick themselves up and have a real go at Bucharest.

As for the league games after that I think he will play more kids and it will do them good for next year.

zaphod Posted on 24/4 12:24
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

Downing wasn't that bad. Others were much worse: Yak and Maccarone for example. Rochemback had a lot of the ball, but did little with it. Nobody going forward did anything much.

sparkins Posted on 24/4 12:30
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

I was looking at Joe Cole on Saturday. I remember less than 18 months ago he looked lightweight, pulled out of tackles and looked a million miles from the world beater he had been built up to be. Look at him now and he has noticably bulked up and now has the physique that is necessary to be a top class player. Another player who has filled out and has benefitted is Ronaldinho.

Now I am not saying he will ever reach the levels that Ronaldinho has, but more physical strength will at least give him the opportunity to make the most of his talent.

Shawn_Thornton Posted on 24/4 12:33
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

apart from Wist Ham trying to elbow every fc_uker to death , I also thought that they hit Downing hard twice early on with the view to keeping him quiet as well as also targetting Boateng.
Clogging the Boro players was definitely order of the day yesterday.

--- Post edited by Shawn_Thornton on 24/4 12:48 ---

bigwheater Posted on 24/4 14:00
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

Downing needs to bulk up and toughen up he is a lightweight. My problem with him is he doesn't get enough goals. As an attacking midfielder he tally is pretty poor I know he has been out for alot of the season, but lets be honest who ever sticks a quid on him to get the first goal? Must do better but we need to hang on in there with him. He will come good.

BoroPhil Posted on 24/4 14:34
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

The people slagging him off for having no heart should be ashamed of themselves. Were you at the game yesterday? Did you see him on his knees at the final whistle?

Did you see him at Roma run up to the fans on the final whistle?

He must be gutted to hear his own fans slagging him off like this.

Watch him leave, and establish himself as an england international. Then he'll probably get called Judas.

Boro fans really really are utter s-h-i-t-e sometimes.

boroboy75 Posted on 24/4 14:42
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

I think peoples attitudes towards Downing have changed because the way he acts like Bertie Bigbollocks around the drinking establishments of the town, and the fact that he hangs around with scumbags.

BoroPhil Posted on 24/4 14:45
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

Oh yeah, forgot about them. He somehow manages to be in every pub on every night if you believe all the stories.

dsp007 Posted on 24/4 14:59
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

BoroPhil he wasn`t on his knees through exhaustion that`s for sure and any player can play upto the fans with the I`m gutted look,he should show his passion during the 90 minutes not after,yes against he does the right things at the right time and many fans are taken in by this but his body language on the pitch tells a whole different story,he will never establish himself as an England regular unless his attitude on and off the field changes.
He has talent but also the wrong attitude like many players do,remember Carlos Marinelli,Alan Moore,Jamie Pollock ,Phil Stamp and the late Stephen Bell,how did it pan out for them,doesn`t make good reading,they could do no wrong in the eyes of the boro faithful until it was too late.

toddymfc50 Posted on 24/4 15:15
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

he gets on my nerves lately i used to love him when he came on and ran at any defender givin it his all, he wants to get away from our free kicks too last mins of an FA semi all down to this never even hit the target

i can say riggotts miss was a bad en and whatever but riggott gives it his all and gets stuck in
downing wants to keep himself injury free in a hope he is going to the world cup but hes got no chance playing like that

he may have been on his knees but it wont be on effort he knows what it feels like to be a boro fan and stood at wembley to get beat but he didnt fight to win the game

BoroPhil Posted on 24/4 15:18
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

Difference is Downing has done it for the Boro already. Including this season. Have we forgotten possibly the most important goal of the season v Roma?

Yes his free kicks were crap yesterday but how is that lack of effort? At least he put himself in the firing line despite an increasingly aggressive Boro crowd.

You lot are embarassing.

try_a_size10 Posted on 24/4 16:40
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

you lot are a set of mugs. Boro were ridiculously unbalanced across the midfield yesterday and everything they tried to do came down the left wing.

It didnt take a tactical genius to figure out how to stop them did it. Typical boro fans attitude, look for an easy scape goat. I got rid of my season ticket 2 years ago coz of the abuse some of our players were getting from the riverside faithful, most notibly the bald gladiator. Makes me sick the way we treat our lads. i am a boro fan of over 20 years, and i think we are terrible.

try_a_size10 Posted on 24/4 16:40
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

you lot are a set of mugs. Boro were ridiculously unbalanced across the midfield yesterday and everything they tried to do came down the left wing.

It didnt take a tactical genius to figure out how to stop them did it. Typical boro fans attitude, look for an easy scape goat. I got rid of my season ticket 2 years ago coz of the abuse some of our players were getting from the riverside faithful, most notibly the bald gladiator. Makes me sick the way we treat our lads. i am a boro fan of over 20 years, and i think our fans are terrible.

BORO_LEE Posted on 24/4 16:50
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

Hes an absolute (sp) disgrace.

Hes scared to tackle,
Hes scared of being tackled,
doesnt beat a man anymore,
cant take free kicks (yet still gets the opportunity)
his crossing blows hot and cold!

i do sometimes wonder if hes scared of the ball!!!

dont go on about him just having a serious injury because that was a while back now and if i remember correctly he got the injury by pulling out of a tackle!!!

good for england BULLS**T he aint even good enough for us!!!

Heartless little BAST**D!!!

gravy173 Posted on 24/4 16:52
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

some boro fan! giving up your season ticket cos some fans have a go at a player who doesnt show any gumption and fannies out of challenges - grow some balls man!

BoroPhil Posted on 24/4 16:53
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

:D ffs

BORO_LEE are you a mackem or geordie per chance?

I can't believe a real Boro fan could come up with that. Or maybe I can.

BORO_LEE Posted on 24/4 16:58
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

so because i dont agree with you and several others i must be a mackem or a geordie? well no i aint!

squeaksqueak Posted on 24/4 16:59
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

the reason why he pulled out the tackle was cos he accepted a throw, if he had challeneged it was more likely the ball would have ricosheded off him for a west ham throw.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 24/4 17:01
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

BORO_LEE you are an arse. I bet you were one of the people calling for McClarens head aswell. Sort your craic out you moaning tvvat, you don't deserve to support such a good team.

BORO_LEE Posted on 24/4 17:04
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

calling for mclarens head? if i was one of them people who says i still dont want rid of him now? m opinion if you dont like it then tough! id have johnson playing ahead of downing at every opportunity

Lisbonlegend Posted on 24/4 17:07
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

Well you are obviously a complete idiot then.

Archie_Stanton1 Posted on 24/4 17:07
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

I think he`s the new Alan Moore

BORO_LEE Posted on 24/4 17:08
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

why because i dont agree with you?

keelo Posted on 24/4 17:09
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

he jumps out of tackles all over the f***ing park cos he is too lightweight, and someone needs to have a good talk to him and get this "I'm the best left winger in the country" shoite out of his head cos he aint...Give 90 mins of commitment ffs

Lisbonlegend Posted on 24/4 17:10
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

No, cos you talk sh i te

OPEO Posted on 24/4 17:13
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

Downing is a boy in a mans world. Lee Cattermole, by comparison is a young man in a mans world.

The_GOAT Posted on 24/4 17:14
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

Has anyone here actually spoken with him? I'm just trying to understand where all this stuff that "it's gone to his head" and supposed "I'm the best winger in the country" mentality he is supposed to have has come from.

Johnson is no where near as good as Downing. He's not even as good as Downing was when he made his debut.

keelo Posted on 24/4 17:17
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

So Goat you havent seen this young man smiling when he started out and now snarling at everyone and everything just like the rest of the "big time charlies"

Lisbonlegend Posted on 24/4 17:20
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

Maybe he's not smiling cos your're always getting on his case. Did you ever think about that?

Dr_Evil Posted on 24/4 17:21
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

downing in the second half wasnt good.

he needs to sort it out. he was good in the first though. bright anyway.

johnson will be better, he has more heart and the ability to beat players. downing seems to have lost his way since Zenden left.

also, never has looked the same since his injury, can t help wondering whether or not he is worried about getting hurt again. dont blame him really, but he cant play like that for the rest of his career.

its not Downing's fault we lost, he just didnt show as much bottle as players such as george.

hallyspencer Posted on 24/4 17:26
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

I havnt seen such a gutless player ??trying?? to play for the team and a England place.

But he is young and has got time to learn, but still needs to be critasised for alot of his performances this season.Otherwise how will he learn if he doesnt think he is doing anything wrong??

At the minute he hasnt grew a pair of b@lls.And if he keeps pulling out of 50/50's he will be on that injury table more times than he is on the field.(FACT)

At the end of the day all he has do do is evaluate his season go through his weakneses and improve on them and hopefully come back a better player for it.

Oh yeah and forget about England this summer.

OPEO Posted on 24/4 17:27
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

We lost yesterday because our forwards were as sharp as a blunt blunt object.

keelo Posted on 24/4 17:29
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

Maybe he's not smiling cos your're always getting on his case. Did you ever think about that?


Hey!! no one would be getting on his case if he stopped jumping out of winnable takles and gave 90 mins commitment ffs....or is it only cos he's a local lad so no one must NEVER critisise him.
if Doriva had done that everyone would slaughter him on here.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 24/4 17:32
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

90 minutes commitment? Just cos the lad can't tackle? He never stops wanting the ball and he was the player at the end trying to make things happen. Some people just don't understand the game....Would you rather have Dean Glover in your team?

BORO_LEE Posted on 24/4 17:50
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

He's a SH**HOUSE! everyone i had spoken to up until now had agreed with what i said, lisbon you just think cause hes a local lad he cant put a foot wrong!

Gillandi Posted on 24/4 17:52
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

I think he's much better now than he was in his first season and i'm convinced he'll be another 2 years better in 24 months time.

mrtiz Posted on 24/4 17:53
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

here here

BoroPhil Posted on 24/4 17:53
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

Boro_lee you are an absolute plank.

He set up our best two chances yesterday - almost put a cross on JFH's head and Franky's header from a corner.

D-ckheads like you are going to force him out of the club. I am seriously ashamed at some of our fans.

F-ck off, we don't need you supporting us, if indeed you do.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 24/4 17:55
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

I think he's the best left winger I've ever seen in a Middlesbrough shirt and one of the best in the country. He's not the best tackler in the world but his workrate cannot be questioned and at one point he made a superb tackle in our own box in the first half as the striker looked to have raced through. He didn't have his best game and things didn't come off but you should be embarassed at the drivel you are spouting.

You are a sheep who doesn't understand the creativity, balance and wingplay that Downing brings to the team. All you are concerned about is the fact he didn't launch himself into a tackle and instead won us a throw in. What is wrong with Boro fans that they have to whinge like babies all the time.

BORO_LEE Posted on 24/4 17:57
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

i he also wasted what could of been great chances from free kicks,

he takes one (shocking)
quedrue takes one (decent)
so why in the world does downing take the next one?

i never mentioned getting rid off him did i?

peru_mfc Posted on 24/4 17:59
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

i like him.
he might of bottled one challenge but you can't dislike him because of that. i was dissapointed when he did it but he'll learn

BORO_LEE Posted on 24/4 18:00
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

i dont dislike him because of one tackle, i posted further up what i dislike about him!

The_GOAT Posted on 24/4 18:00
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

My brother always uses Paul Scholes as an example about how people used to complain that he never used to tackle. Then when he did start to tackle, he'd get booked because he couldn't tackle.

I couldn't really care if he pulls out of tackles as long as keeps getting the balls into the box. Afterall, that is his job, not defending.

--- Post edited by The_GOAT on 24/4 18:01 ---

BORO_LEE Posted on 24/4 18:04
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

playiong football is his job, so therfore tackling is part of his job!

BobUpndown Posted on 24/4 18:04
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

he;s a young lad.. like all young inexperienced players learning the game.. he'll have some poor moments in games and make the odd wrong decision..

Bates v Arsenal ducked a shot that led to one of their goals.. he's learned from that and put in a couple of TOP performances since then..

Downing will come good.. thursday, could be the night, with the support of the fans..

BORO_LEE Posted on 24/4 18:07
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

ye downing will probably have the best game of his life on thursday and score the winner! (i hope)

however my opinion that he has no bottle will still not of changed! he needs to be far more comitted!

grantus Posted on 24/4 18:10
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

I'll defend him.

He's a quality winger and the best passer of the ball at the club. He still hasn't reached the heights of his breakthrough season, but I put that down to many things, not least the dynamics of our midfield without Zenden.

BoroPhil Posted on 24/4 18:22
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

Tackling is not part of his job! Reagrdless, he tracks back very well and much better than Mendieta, Maccarone, Morrison or Johnson.

Big_Shot Posted on 24/4 18:25
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

Exactly phil. He is being slated for something we know he doesn't do. I suspect who he is plays a big part in it as there seems a lot of resentment aimed towards him. Someone made an excellent point earlier about Riggotts miss, he can be excused as its something we know isn't his strong point, yet if Downing doesn't make a tackle he's slated.

boroborn Posted on 24/4 18:27
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

Bloody hell, sometimes i wonder what is wrong with some of you.

The lad is 19 years old, he's 6 years from hitting the top of his game and you lot are saying we should get rid of him?

Lennon at spurs aside can you name me one better under 20 English left sided midfielder?

GIVE YOUR HEADS A SHAKE.

I understand the frustration, but teams double up on him now, there full backs stay deep and dont give him the space he had in his break through season.

Also i dont think Sven Turnip Erkison watching is doing him any good, while he believe he may go tot he world cup its adding extra presure that he just doesnt need.

The last two games (both away from the Riverside) Downing has been poor, i think he'd admit that himself but to say some of the shyte that is posted on here, your a disgrace to the club you support.

BoroPhil Posted on 24/4 18:28
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

That is a good point re Riggott.

My last post got me thinking - have you ever seen Morrison or Johnson go flying into a 50-50? Have you ever seen them track back as well as Downing?

Yet, they are un-critciscable.

The pro-Johnson brigade is unreal. I'm not knocking him at all, I think he looks a great player, but he's not anywhere near Downing's league yet.

The unfortunate thing is if Morrison or Johnson ever got a run in the team, the fans would probably turn on them as well.

bibsken Posted on 24/4 18:29
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

I hate to knock a local lad but I`ve been to all the games and watched every ball. I thought he was very poor at Bucharest and just as bad at Villa Park. We should have taken Spur`s £8 quid whilst he was flavour of the month.
I only wish his surname was McDowning --- Scotland deserve him.

BoroPhil Posted on 24/4 18:29
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

I really have never been as angry as I am now re our fans.

We should all be supporting Downing not getting on his back.

WE HAVE NEVER HAD IT SO GOOD FFS

BoroPhil Posted on 24/4 18:30
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

bibsken - he was poor at Villa Park? Considering he set up our best two chances in the 1st half what does that make the rest?

BoroPhil Posted on 24/4 18:31
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

btw, the Gazette gave him one star tonight.

Big_Shot Posted on 24/4 18:33
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

Your wasting your time Phil. It doesn't matter what he does, how dare a player who we all know can't tackle not put a tackle in. Nobody has even mentioned him getting played out of position inside in a 3 rather than left wing. Nobody seems to have an opinion of how they thought he played there, only about his free kicks and THAT non tackle.


--- Post edited by Big_Shot on 24/4 18:34 ---

Rio_Verde Posted on 24/4 18:35
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

he--Downing had a good game, especially in the first half, played his part, but we didn't take advantage of his runs etc. Yakubu was the biggest spud on the field.

BoroPhil Posted on 24/4 18:37
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

*blood pressure stabilising*

I hope he bloody well scores a thirty five yard screamer on Thursday and sticks two fingers up at the boo-boys

amelvg1 Posted on 24/4 18:37
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

when hes played in position this year hes been the same. hes living off half a season and an england cap.

--- Post edited by amelvg1 on 24/4 18:38 ---

BoroPhil Posted on 24/4 18:39
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

ffs :D

BORO_LEE Posted on 24/4 18:44
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

boro born- 19 years old are you sure!!?

as for the riggott miss that can happen to any one it is completely different to downing having no bottle!

boro phil- setting up two chances does not mean he was good, does it?

at no point have i said he was the worst player on the day just pointing that i dont believe he is good enough at this moment in time?!

BoroPhil Posted on 24/4 19:06
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

Fair enough if you don't think he played well, I don't particularly.

But for people to say he has no heart and no commitment is just utter drivel.

Three points:

i) he was gutted at the end of the game
ii) did you hear him at Steau shouting up the line to Franky 'hurry up, hurry up we're losin'
iii) his sheer joy when he ran up to the fans after Roma

not the actions of an un-committed player.

criticise his performances all you like (although he wasn't bad yesterday) but you can't question his heart or love for the Boro

BoroPhil Posted on 24/4 19:07
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

and watch him when we score - look at his face when he's celebrating - he's boro born and bred and loves this club. for him to hear the s-hite he was getting on Sunday must tear him apart.

BORO_LEE Posted on 24/4 19:10
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

if he doesnt want to hear the sh**et then he should play better! he has not been giving 100% lately in my opinion!

BoroPhil Posted on 24/4 19:15
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

well you are wrong.

amelvg1 Posted on 24/4 19:18
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

how can an opinion be wrong??

BORO_LEE Posted on 24/4 19:19
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

how am i wrong you fu**ing idiot, an opinion cant be wrong.

also how would you know if he has been giving 100% or not?

Gillandi Posted on 24/4 19:25
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

It might help those who are misunderstanding his performances lately to forget the notion that he's a winger in the Lennon mold. He'll never be as quick or as exciting. He's a left sided midfielder. If you think Downing can't tackle, see Lennon, he defeinately can't and there's alot of other things going for Stuey too that Lennon hasn't got. It would be nice to find the perfect balance between Ryan Giggs and Roy Keane but such a player doesn't exist at the moment and we couldn't afford him if he did.

Downings a very good player who's going to get better.

BoroPhil Posted on 24/4 19:34
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

Beacuse its obvious if you watch him that he is committed. Morons like you just go along with the crowd. Embarrasing.

BORO_LEE Posted on 24/4 19:40
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

its obvious it is my opinion and i am not just following the crowd! when i have seen him play i believe he hasnt been good enough

BoroPhil Posted on 24/4 19:45
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

not good enough does not equal not committed. comprende?

scoea Posted on 24/4 20:00
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

I find the anti-Downing sentiment that appears to be in fashion at the moment utterly reprehensible.

The facts are that he has only been a regular for a season and a half and has had to lose over half a season through serious injury. Despite that which would hamper any career never mind that of an unproven youngster, he has commanded a place in the first choice 11, been part of a very successful Boro side and been called up for England and is still talked about as having a chance for Germany.

In 38 league starts (which is all he has had since the start of last season) he has scored 6 goals and got 21 assists (Henry who leads the way in this area has had 35 assists from 58 starts in the last two seasons).

He has also put in more crosses than any other Premiership player in the last two seasons despite missing those months.

As a winger his job is to create and cross. He does that job better than any other Premiership player and yet some want him sold off to a major rival in Spurs!!

PS - tweedle that is my point exactly. Downing isn't there to win tackles.

tweedle Posted on 24/4 20:03
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

Agreed but that's no excuse for pulling out of a 50/50.

keelo Posted on 24/4 20:06
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

if commited is the way he (and others ) played yesterday God help us.I certainly hope he plays a blinder on Thursday and i will be the first to congratulate him,but c'mon yesterday he was shoite and if you lemmings dont like what nearly everyone was saying round me,and the whole boro contingent well tough! yesterday for a F.A. cup semi final HE WAS NOT 100% and to sit on the park and look dejected.......ffs grow up boys

skiprat Posted on 24/4 20:24
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

Hold a second Scoea. Putting in more crosses than anyone else? How does that statistic measure the quality of them, or does it include just any cross, even ones that don't beat the first man?

As I've said elsewhere on here, it's not the 50/50's he's pulling out of that annoy people the most, it's the 70/30's in his favour that do it.

He cannot ONLY live on crossing and crossing only, there's much more to being a midfielder than that.

scoea Posted on 24/4 20:27
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

True skiprat which is why I put in his goals and assists. I also think his defensive side has actually improved a lot. Our form coincided with his return and that of George. I think we are a much better and more balanced side with him in it and do not think he deserves anywhere near the abuse he gets.

keelo Posted on 24/4 21:03
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

Well i for one really hopes he stick my words down my throat on thursday, and Yakubu,if he plays, doesnt play like his boot laces are tied together,loss of confidence with the yak is a contributing factor i agree,he looks clueless in front of goal at the moment,but Jimmy with Viduka is a must to start if they are both fit and the loss of shwartz is a big big worry.....still here's hoping

BoroPhil Posted on 24/4 22:04
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

can one of the knockers please answer this? (as you have conveniently ignored it so far)

Do Morrison and Johnson track back as much as Downing and/or get stuck into 50-50s?

stepat Posted on 24/4 22:07
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

BoroPhil. NO is the answer.

Possibly the best winger Boro have produced in a generation, and his 'own' fans have turned against him.

Smac was right, our fans do need educating, and if you were a player would you want to play in front of supporters like that?

BoroPhil Posted on 24/4 22:13
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

Absolutely. I can see it now.

1) Downing gets disillusioned with the boo-boys and leaves

2) Downing gets labelled a Judas by the boo-boys for having no loyalty

3) Downing becomes a massive success for club and country

NSB19 Posted on 24/4 22:45
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

Although I hate to defend a poster (Tweek, forza, Holgate ...etc...etc)who has used at least 5 differnt names on this board and has left a resignation message never to return on 100 occasions under various names....for the first time ever he is right, Downing is living on a reputation he cannot and will not live up to. Take the £6,000,000 off Spurs (if they are silly enought to offer it again)

Bukowski_MFC Posted on 24/4 22:49
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

Nothing came off for him yesterday but once thing he didn't do was hide. The treatment he received off some of our fans disturbed me.

Junenius Posted on 28/4 22:41
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

Just wondering whether you could defend him now?

Pure class last night. Must go to germany, left sided David Beckham.

stepat Posted on 28/4 22:42
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BoroMutt Posted on 28/4 22:45
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

Large delivery of pie, type "humble" will someone please sign for it?

Jon_Gannon_on_loan Posted on 28/4 22:56
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

I can't believe the stick Downing's been getting on here. Fcikn great performance from him last night. He shouldn't be getting the grief people have been giving him. He puts some great crosses in and last night we actually got a few strikers on the end of them. I think if we had a Beattie type striker Downing would be getting a lot more credit cos someone would be finishing a lot more of his crosses...

johnmcp Posted on 28/4 23:41
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

Downing was the principal reason we won. Philosophically, he was the first cause. Without those wonderful contributions we would have been slammed. Well done!

Revol_Tees Posted on 28/4 23:47
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

He made 3 goals. He set each one up. Without him we wouldn't be going to Eindhoven. End of.

means_the_world Posted on 28/4 23:48
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

NSB19: "living on a reputation he cannot and will not live up to"

top analysis

BoroPhil Posted on 29/4 2:20
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

Am I allowed to look really smug?

Well done Stewie!!

blondie_dcfc Posted on 29/4 2:45
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

Dontchya just love threads like this - tickles the fook outta me anyroad!

blondie.dcfc
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bettared Posted on 29/4 3:23
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

Downing will be going to Germany with the rest of the England squad.I think him being a local lad works against him when it should be working for him.
Why d you think Sven s been watching him so closely?

BobUpndown Posted on 29/4 7:31
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

played 3 positions the other night.. and delivered quality for 3 goals.. he'll never be a Boateng so don't expect him to win 50-50's.. to cover and block is what I'd expect of him..

Some fans, as we know, have their favourites be it to heckle or cheer..

we_have_overcome Posted on 29/4 8:48
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

so glad downing pulled out of that 50/50 last sunday.
i was shouting at him at the game about pulling out of it, but if he had made the challenge and got injured, who else do we have who could have set those 3 goals up on thursday.
let your frustrations at the match but to come on here with all this sh-it is a disgrace.

grainger1981 Posted on 29/4 10:46
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

Downing has been taking stick for ages for one reason, he doesn't tackle much. Thats the only thing the people who knock him can come up with. He is a very good player and still young.

But some boro fan's only like people who get stuck in. FFS we ain't playing in Div 1 or Div 2 anymore.

big_galoot Posted on 29/4 10:59
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

Hope this point hasnt been covered earlier,couldnt be arsed reading every other comment!The fact is,all players have different strengths,Downings isnt tackling himself 2 a standstill,going in for 50/50s,his strength is spoon feeding strikers with Quality crosses,which he did with pleasing regularity on thursday nite.Get off the lads back,if his name was Carlos Kickaball he wouldnt b getting this abuse.I actually think the defensive side of his game has come on leaps and bounds,hes only 21ish(?)hes still learning.He is without doubt the best left sided crosser of a ball in the Premiership BY A STREET!

gravy_boat Posted on 29/4 11:17
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

On Thursday at 3-2 the ball was cleared from their box and fell to one of their players on the right in their half. Downing was on the half way line, about 20 yards away and hesitated before going to face the player, as he looked over his shoulder first to make sure there was cover.

Some nobber behind me shouted 'Get at him you lazy bas****'

I shouted 'HE'S PLAYING LEFT BACK YOU FUKIN' NOB!. He's got to make sure that somebody is covering him before bombing forward'

Some Boro fans are fooking clueless.

Big_Shot Posted on 29/4 11:28
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

Putting tackles in or putting excellent crosses in. I know which quality will get him to the world cup.

grantus Posted on 29/4 12:33
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

A stunning response master Downing. Lets hope that this keeps the encouraging boo boys quiet for a while.

boro74 Posted on 29/4 15:18
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

I can't be bothered to read all this. His cross for Maccarone to score the winner was perfect. PERFECT. There aren't many players in world football that can cross a ball like that.

morkfromork Posted on 29/4 18:07
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

I agree he did fook all today.

Some people must regret posting the shiote they post.

Fabio_The_Rock Posted on 29/4 18:14
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

They might regret they extent to which they criticised him, but I doubt they regret actually criticising him. On his day he's brilliant, and of course he's not in the team to recover the ball, but I know it still infuriates me to see him (being a local lad) or any player ducking challenges.

Boro fans will always love a passionate 110% player. Juninho, for all his skills, would not have been as popular as he was if he hadn't tried so hard and cared so much.

Anyone remember him getting booked for scything Julian Dicks down? That was funny

WilmslowRed Posted on 8/5 15:06
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

Not so much a hoof as a pinpoint left wing cross onto the head of the board. Hope Tweedle's wife's hamster has got its passport ready

karembeu_ca Posted on 8/5 15:19
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

cheeky WR

I can't think of too many wingers who do put themselves about and are also great wingers. true wingers have always been a lightweight lot. that said, Downing made some good tackles lately as well, maybe because after threads like this I was looking for them more - but he does do it. He is not in the team to be another Cattermole.

Anyway, well done Stewey on making the squad. Not the greatest season, but given the England left-sided issues deserved.

means_the_world Posted on 9/5 0:27
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

quality hoof.

"can't defend him anymore" - embarrassing.

Revol_Tees Posted on 9/5 1:16
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

Oh dear, oh dear.






GtBB Posted on 9/5 1:31
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

*gets out notebook, scribbles*

Some of our fans need educating.

SB60 Posted on 9/5 9:41
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

The lad is fu*king useless. He's just not got what it takes. A complete lightweight. I hear more fans moan about this useless tossa than any other player.

I'm looking forward to watching the clueless chite try and take on the elite in the world cup. That will show him up. Every game he plays in we will loose. I'm still laffing from his performance when he got his first cap (10 minutes at the end of the game and he didnt even kick the ball).

Let's face it, he only got in the England squad because McClaren is the new manager. I'd rather see wright-phillips playing for England.

zaphod Posted on 9/5 9:47
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

We saw at Fulham that Downing's defensive capabilities are far better than Adam Johnson's. Johnson is an excellent, exciting prospect, but his all-round game is way behind Downing's.

I expect Downing will be brought on late on for England to fire crosses at Crouch's head and I reckon he'll be a hero by the end of the World Cup.

blotonthelandscape Posted on 9/5 9:49
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

He made even less sense when he was Forza. Fantastic stuff.

SB60 Posted on 9/5 9:51
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

The majority of fans see a player for what he is....

and this one is a liablity

blotonthelandscape Posted on 9/5 9:52
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

apart from the 3 goals he created against Stau......

scoea Posted on 9/5 10:01
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

This idea that he needs to be putting in hard tackles is ludicrous. It simply isn't his job. Positionally he has improved dramatically and the defensive side of his game is very much underestimated. I would much prefer him to be positionally correct from a defensive point of view than to risk injury with meaty challenges.

I think our fans should be proud to have an exciting, pacey young winger who can deliver a ball better than almost any other player in the Premiership (backed up by his tally of assists) and who has now been picked to go to a World Cup. Instead they moan that he doesn't dive into tackles.

SB60 Posted on 9/5 10:41
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

Dont be stupid !

When he takes a corner 90% of the time it doesnt clear their first man.

When he crosses into the box its normally to one of their guys.

He's a prima donna, a lightweight and over-rated... NO PACE !

scoea Posted on 9/5 11:16
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

Run along SB60.

zaphod Posted on 9/5 11:27
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

"The majority of fans see a player for what he is....

and this one is a liablity"

You're right, SB60, you are a liability.

BigBadSteve Posted on 15/6 20:08
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

Not doing too bad for a liability who also a spineless grade a prima donna with no pace.

john_b Posted on 19/8 15:14
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

Hurrah !

scuzzmonster Posted on 19/8 15:38
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

Best save since Banks in Mexico 1970.

Revol_Tees Posted on 19/8 15:38
re: Downing can't defend him anymore

This one always brings a smile to my face