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bandito Posted on 24/5 10:49
Mowbray would relegate us

There, I've said it. His appointment would see the exodus of top calibre players we have. Players like Rochemback who will be a star under the guidance of a manager who knows the game, will stagnate, and we will be left with a cluster of good young players and a group of scottish misfits. Yakubu needs coaching from the very best in order to fulfill his potential. I just dont think the respect would be there from key players. Where does Southgate fit into all this? Too many are opting for the sentimental vote.. Yeah, he's a legend, 20yrs ago he dragged us out the mire but to take such a chance on his management at such a crucial time in the clubs progress would be lunacy. Lets remember also that a lot of fans at the Riverside now, never even saw Mowbray play and some of our players werent even born when he was playing!

20_Briggsy Posted on 24/5 10:51
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Dont know about relegation but I agree with you that it would be a backward step.

p.s give your mate a slap from me for wanting Rioch back. First Mowbray now Rioch. He's after a job isnt he?

boroboy75 Posted on 24/5 10:52
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Good players need very little coaching, it's the average, and crap ones that need it most.

sasboro Posted on 24/5 10:53
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he may turn into a top class manager but has to earn the reputation as a manager becasue his reputation first as a player was restricted to MFC. If he came it would be like the lennie lawrence situation. Gibson said one reason why lawrence went and robson came in was for his pulling power because under lawrence he felt we missed out on players such rob lee and gavin peacock who went to newcastle.

Imagine mogga turning up at the stadium meeting the players and most of them not having the foggiest who he is or was.

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borodoosra Posted on 24/5 10:54
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Get a grip. You ask where Southgate would fit in and then lecture us on a sentimental vote.

Spoff_MFC Posted on 24/5 10:54
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Scottish Premier League is League One standard for most.

Lower half Championship at best for Hibs

And Hearts, Celtic and Rangers maybe Premiership.

Mowbray does not have the expreience.

I know we have had untried managers recently but to move to the next step we need experience.

Mr Steve Coppell.

mufflar Posted on 24/5 10:55
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dear lord!

ScarboroSmoggy Posted on 24/5 10:56
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"Gibson said one reason why lawrence went and robson came in was for his pulling power because under lawrence he felt we missed out on players such rob lee and gavin peacock who went to newcastle."

Sas that is total bollox and you know it, Lennie previously managed both these players at Charlton.

sasboro Posted on 24/5 10:56
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good shout on steve coppell, ex england international and the manutd connections will keep continuity

SS, i'm only going by what gibson said. i think NUFC had a lot higher profile manager than us. Possibly keegan and they were in the league below i think

do you think the likes of rochemback and mendieta would have heard of mogga before signing for boro?


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bandito Posted on 24/5 10:56
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thats the fear sas and thats why I think it would end in tears. Welcome him when his CV is a bit healthier. I simply cannot take Hibs seriously and his position at Ipswich was in the shadows. If it wasnt Mowbray, then he wouldnt be getting talked about at all. All this talk about instilling passion is just sentimental pap.. I'm passionate. McClaren was passionate. If he wasnt there is no way we would have achieved half the things we did under him so to bring up that argument is naive.

Simon1 Posted on 24/5 10:57
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Was it Coppell who quite a club after a short period of time there ( was it Man City??). How would he cope with fans throwing season tickets at him?

junior17_1985 Posted on 24/5 10:57
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steve coppell can't handle pressure of big job... FACT look at his CV

20_Briggsy Posted on 24/5 10:58
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I was told Rob Lee was as good as a Boro player until Newcastle got wind of the transfer.

For me theres only one man for the job, that would seamlessly slot into Gibsons plans.

ScarboroSmoggy Posted on 24/5 10:59
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Van Gaal.

borodoosra Posted on 24/5 10:59
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Is he the self same chancer who is currently playing us off against the FA through his pals in the press?

Big_Shot Posted on 24/5 10:59
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Gavin Peacock only played at Charlton at the back end of his career.

grantus Posted on 24/5 11:00
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Either a complete unknowledgable drama queen or a troll? You decide.

Aye, UEFA Cup finalists, clubs aiming for Champions League qualification, clubs with the best youth policy in their nation, clubs with very well respected backroom staff, they always lose all their best players, they always get relegated, they never manage to sign quality unless they have a glamorous manager.

We are not the Boro we were, the club sells itself. We have the best squad we've ever had.

We need a manager that can complete the development of youth team to first team and one that will get results and capture the imagination of the town. If we are being successful the "star" players will be happy. Mowbray as a man commants respect, why shouldn't he be able to with a group of footballers?

Players not being born when he was playing doesn't mean that they will be blind to the legend of Mowbray. Have you been through the bowels of the Riverside, Mowbray is a part of the history of the club he is everywhere. They will all know all about him and who he is.

There you go boys, I've bitten, but to be honest these posts represent the biggest stack of shyte i've read on here this year.

What a load of rubbish.

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boroboy75 Posted on 24/5 11:00
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Briggsy, I bet you remember the Rob Lee saga well, in the days when you were still shitting in a nappy.

Simon1 Posted on 24/5 11:01
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What about Gus Hiddink?. Done well with club team and got Korea to SF of last world cup.

MrEko Posted on 24/5 11:01
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We could steal Sevilles' manager.

ScarboroSmoggy Posted on 24/5 11:02
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Ok then Big shot, if that was the case, Peacocks dad was on the Charlton backroom staff when Lennie was there.

bandito Posted on 24/5 11:02
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I didnt want you to bite, I wanted a decent discussion but your judgement seems a little cloudy

borodoosra Posted on 24/5 11:03
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Rob Lee was actually told by Keegan that Newcastle was nearer to London than Middlesbrough. There's also a story that he caught the train to Middlesbrough and went over the border as opposed to the entrance to the station where he was to be picked up. He therefore quickly turned around and headed north.

janplanner Posted on 24/5 11:06
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surely they would have sent a car to darlington?

grantus Posted on 24/5 11:07
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Cheeky get.

My judgement is crystal clear mate, crystal clear.

Read my post.

Its your statement that is laughable.

ScarboroSmoggy Posted on 24/5 11:07
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Not in those days Jan.

borodoosra Posted on 24/5 11:07
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bandito - why should we choose our manager around the future of Southgate? Surely Southgate should prove himself elsewhere before being considered in a managerial capacity at the club.

Big_Shot Posted on 24/5 11:09
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We went in for Peacock whilst at Newcastle and he decided to stay with them in 2nd Division under Keegan. Was the right decision really irrespective of the manager. Newcastle were on the up and pissed the league and although we were in the league above we were favourites to go back down and did. Same goes for Robert Lee really.

Just re read what you posted and I'm agreeing with you Scarb.

bandito Posted on 24/5 11:09
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Grantus: if you think it's laughable then so be it. I happen to think it's plausible. Lets not fall out eh. Remember it's all about opinions.

bandito Posted on 24/5 11:12
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Borodoosera: Southagte is the best thing ever to happen to this club. He's on a pedestal with Mowbray as far as I'm concerned in terms of carrying the club forward. However Soutgate now knows what the club is like, he's taken it forward alongwith McClaren onto a level far higher than Mowbray and he has played the game at the highest level. Southgate is MFC.

janplanner Posted on 24/5 11:12
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i always get someone to pick me up at darlington.

boroboy75 Posted on 24/5 11:13
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Southgate is MFC?

So he's your chosen one to be the subject of your obsession now McClaren's gone.
He's going to West Ham, anyway.

Big_Shot Posted on 24/5 11:16
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Southgate ticks all the same boxes as Mowbray does on terms of respect and history with the club. Of course he isn't from round here, but the fact he's been club captain for 5 years, is known to everyone on the playing staff and already commands their respect and is well respected throughout the game more than makes up for that.

bandito Posted on 24/5 11:16
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Put it this way, without him around over the last 5 yrs we wouldnt be welcoming Chelsea to the Riverside next season.

West Ham??? You read the tabloids too much, and watch too many soaps, and read too many heat magazines....shall I carry on?

sasboro Posted on 24/5 11:17
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southgate knows the current set up and MFC at the riverside more than anyone apart from lamb and gibson.

Mogga only knows the boro from ayresome park.

maybe mfc did leave peakcock and lee stranded at darlington station.if they really wanted them you wouldnt do that. perhaps they ended up at feethams by mistake!


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boroboy75 Posted on 24/5 11:20
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sas, do you reckon?
Schwarzer and Ehiogu have been at the club longer than him.
Should we make one of them manager?

grantus Posted on 24/5 11:22
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Southgate could go to Palace or West Ham. Then what of your idea for "grooming" him?

Really, think about it, look at our squad. Even with no signings we should be a top half team, Europe, injuries, terrible tactical and personel decisions are the reasons why we finished where we did last season.

With no Europe this season, we will be mid table at worst.

To suggest that Mowbray would get us relegated is not a reasonable statement, you're just trying to be controvesial.

Relegation, exodus of our best players, players will stagnate, scottish misfits, no respect?

Ok, please provide some real justification for these comments.

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bandito Posted on 24/5 11:22
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They arent natural born leaders.

Boroboy: your patter is shy te thesedays. You are becoming an embarassment.

AtomicLoonybin Posted on 24/5 11:24
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Isn't the story about Rob Lee that the driver took a wrong turn and ended up taking him on a tour of South Bank?

Then Keegan called him and told him that Newcastle was nearer to London (for his relatives) than Middlesbrough.

Maybe Rob Lee would have been our manager now.

grantus Posted on 24/5 11:25
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"southgate knows the current set up and MFC at the riverside more than anyone apart from lamb and gibson."

I cant believe the amount of rubbish posted on here. Its practically a land fill.

How do you know this then Sas? Ever heard of Colin Cooper, Steve Round, Steve Harrison, Dave Parnaby? How about Graham Ford and the rest of the senior management?

Get a grip lads.

boroboy75 Posted on 24/5 11:27
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bandito, watch out, i'll be at your level soon then.
Natural born leader? Being appointed captain doesn't mean you are one of them? Personally, i've always thought his fist clenching charade at the end of a game looks a bit limp.

BossHogg Posted on 24/5 11:28
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All I had to read was the title of this thread!

Bandito, you are nothing more than a fookin drama queen!!

bandito Posted on 24/5 11:28
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Relegation: A distinct possibility judging by the extreme situation some of us thought we were in this season under McClaren, and this is a guy who has better all round experience


exodus of our best players: Bye bye Viduka, Jimmy, Boateng, Franck, Schwarzer. These are high calibre players who dont stay at clubs unless they believe they are heading somewhere.


players will stagnate: Players like Rocky and the Yak would go through the motions. They require key players alongside them to assist them. Mowbray will not be able to attract the likes of Haselbainks, VIduks, Southgate, etc. We'd end up with bargain players form scotland. I dont expect Mogga to have top drawer scouts and decent contacts throughout Europe


no respect: The attitude of some players is "who hell he"?

stevopotato Posted on 24/5 11:30
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southgate in the same league as mogga? dont make me laff.
southgate has known only relatively goodtimes at MFC, has he ever gone without wages for weeks? i doubt it, been locked out of ground? no.

if southgate had had to endure the things mowbray and his team mates of the day had he would have walked, no doubt.

probably a better played i'd agree, but more passionate about the boro? no chance.

and whats all this nonsense about grooming him for the managers job? what a joke, who's getting sentimental now?

red_rebel Posted on 24/5 11:36
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This is a disturbing split in the Bandito/Bernie Axis.

sasboro Posted on 24/5 11:41
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mogga - ex boro captain in a lower league.
southgate- 50+ england caps,played in euro 96 and possibly a world cup. a wealth of experience at teh top level

20_Briggsy Posted on 24/5 11:44
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Bandy have you spoken to slaven recently? Does he really want Rioch or is he just been his usual controversal self?

sasboro Posted on 24/5 11:52
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mogga walks into the dressing room "alright lads i'm the new boro manager"

rocky,schwarzer,viduka,baoteng,mendieta shrg their shoulders and say "Who are you?"

downing whispers "He is mogga,FMTTM was named after him..but i'm too young to remember seeing him play. He did play with gary pallister for a bit and simon coleman"

mogga replies "I'm mogga, i was captain for boro in div1 20 years ago and now managing in scotland"

palyers reply "are you an ex international and a born winner with lots of medals or played in the top flight and in europe"

mogga "eerrr. played in div1 for 1 season,won a championship with celtic but not been capped "

players "ok what have you achieved as a manager"?

mogga "not much yet got into europe but beaten 5-1 by small team, and currently 4th in the scottish league..although i did coach at ipswich but did get relegated"

players "so where is southgate with the team sheet?"

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bandito Posted on 24/5 11:52
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Spoke to him just before he went away and I said what about Sven then, has he got the Boro job, and he said dont talk sh ite bandy. Interestingly I received a text saying your sven tip may have substance, watch this space

grantus Posted on 24/5 11:52
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McClaren consistently made basic, fundamental errors of judgement this season, playing stupid formations, playing players out of position, dropping players at the wrong time, for the wrong reasons. We were close to relegation this season, because our manager made a complete f'cking pigs ear out of the first half of the season (hence Gibson on the radio) and also up until February too (hence the Villa) game. We completely underperformed, the players were unmotivated, they weren't commited and we were rubbish. This season we will come higher in the league, nomatter who becomes manager, I'll put 50 on that.

To suggest that our best players will leave because Mowbray joins is foolish. Professional footballerswant to win things, its not as though there will be a new owner, a new boot room, a lowering of funding or massive debts. The ambition of the club remains the same. If this is confirmed then the players will stay. There's more to that than having a "sexy" name as manager. Players want to win, not to work for a celebrity. You disrespect and underestimate the players and most managers with that statement.

The coaching team will reamin the same, except with the injection of fresh ideas, of new techniques brought in by Mowbray. This would more than likely have the exact opposite effect to stagnating, which is what happens without any change, what would possibly have happened if McClaren had stayed.

Mowbray wont be able to attract top class players. Rubbish, the club will attract players, it has done for the last ten years, it will continue. We are the UEFA Cup runners up. We are ranked in the top twenty clubs in the world. Of course we will attract players. The only thing that will stop them signing is the same thing that has in recent seasons. How much cash we are willing to spend on them. Not who the manager is.

Respect needs to be earned, by anyone. Mowbray will earn their respect, that I am sure of. If you are not, you obviously know nothing about the man.

BossHogg Posted on 24/5 11:54
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"southgate- 50+ England caps,played in euro 96 and possibly a world cup. a wealth of experience at teh top level"

Sas, there are no guarantees that a former international can become a decent manager, for Southgate, you could read :-

Tony Adams
Paul Merson
Bryan Robson
Paul Gascoigne

etc, etc....

I cannot believe that people aren't willing to give Mogga a chance, he's a young enthusiastic fella, who follows the McClarens path of using a scientific approach to the game! There's no wonder England is short of decent young managers, because aren't willing to give them a chance at the top level!!

20_Briggsy Posted on 24/5 11:55
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I would be surprised if it were Sven. El Tel is my choice. Then Sven, none of the others get my pulse going.

sasboro Posted on 24/5 11:57
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very true bosshogg, remember tony adams giving management a shot and failing. very simialr player to mogga but a lot better

grantus Posted on 24/5 11:58
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Sas, you really are making yourself look like a fool today.

Tell me, just how good a player Alex Ferguson was, how about Arsene Wenger, or Jose Mourinho, or Sven Goran Erikson, or Rafael Benitez, or Martin Jol?

Tell me about their playing careers and their international pedigree will you?

How much better than Tony Mowbray as players were they? Which clubs were any of them legends at?

Sorry, but you deserve this.

Doyle!

bandito Posted on 24/5 11:58
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BossHogg: What do these 4 guys have in common

Tony Adams
Paul Merson
Bryan Robson
Paul Gascoigne

Hmm, let me think.....

Eddie_Catflap Posted on 24/5 11:58
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I don't want Mowbray - yet. Give him chance to develop elsewhere.

We've had Robson as a big name to kickstart the club into the modern era and give us a high profile. This worked, but he wasn't replaced quickly enough when his limits became clear and we went backwards by a couple of years. We then took a bit of gamble on McClaren as he was very highly regarded within the game. This paid off as well and we are now an established premiership club known for a great youth policy, a great chairman, some top class players and a bit of success in Europe.

For me what we need to kick onto the next level is an established top drawer manager who can keep our best players here, attract high calibre players in the areas that need immediate attention, continue to bring through the youth and most importantly not make wholesale changes to the way the club operates. I just don't see Mowbray as that man. Yet. Anyone disagree with that?

We are at a key moment in our development, I don't think we can gamble too much.

Of course if he does get it he'll get my full backing because I support the club. But aside from the sentimental aspect I can't see a reason to appoint him.

BossHogg Posted on 24/5 12:00
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Are they all drama queens?

bandito Posted on 24/5 12:01
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Keep your hair on grantus, you've made your point, the whole world knows you want Mowbray as manager and you justified your reasons. Thank you.

You say the club will attract players, we are the UEFA Cup runners up, and we are ranked in the top 20 in the world. Can I ask who we have to thank for leaving us in this priveledged position?

Leave the McClaren digs at home eh

grantus Posted on 24/5 12:20
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I'll tell you who we have to thank for that...

Eeryone at Middlesbrough football club. Everyone played their part. Including Steve McClaren.

Im not digging at him i'm stating the obvious. Come on, to get where we did in the cups we had an unbelievable amount of luck, didn't we?

Who did we play in the FA Cup? How lucky were we in the 3 rounds prior to the final of the UEFA Cup?

We were lucky in the Cups and we not only sacrificed the league but were exposed in the league. A lot of terrible decisions were made, but that aside, without the additional number of European games, we can expect less injuries, less fatigue and no fixture congestion, so to state that Mowbray would take us down just isn't realistic. We are not going down.

You know, I know it, everyone with half a brain knows it, so the only conclusion I can come to is that you are trying to be controversial.

Well done, success.

"Keep your hair on grantus, you've made your point, the whole world knows you want Mowbray as manager and you justified your reasons. Thank you."

Not cloudy anymore then?

I thought you wanted a decent discussion, not any more?

red_rebel Posted on 24/5 12:23
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We are all working in the dark here. We don't know how many apllications Gibbo got or what the quality of them. We don't eevn know if Mogga is on the list an peopel are booing already.

We know Venables is one because he ran off to his mates in Fleet Street to big himself up in the media and maybe force himself under the FA noses for the technical directors job.

That Mogga has applied is an assumption. We know he talked ti Ipswich and then withdrew so that will have people in one camp saying he lacks amition and in the other saying he is keeping himself available for Boro.

Given some of Gibbo's criteria - English, won't interfere with existing set-up, turn to youth - he would fit in and would also enagge withthe Boro public (maybe, with some). But, an bless him he is my all time favourite player, but there is no way he is the "top drawer" coach that was being talked about.

As for Southgate, he did a good job as caretaker manager in January and helped turn the club around nicely but would be very worried if the club strategy is based on someone treading water for two years until Gate is ready.

Firstly, you get no guarentees. He may be a complete flop. Plus it will be divisive and will undermine the new boss.

He and MMogga shoudl go and prove themselves worthy and hope hat the timing is right sometime in the future.

My hope is that Gibbo has a list and that there are names on it that have applied that we haven't heard yet who are top drawer and I hope it is not restricted to Englishmen. Ottmat Hitzfeld, Guus Hiddink, Gerrard Houllier, people like that.

Failing that I would want Big Sam. *dons tin hat*

sasboro Posted on 24/5 12:24
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"Sas, you really are making yourself look like a fool today.

Tell me, just how good a player Alex Ferguson was, how about Arsene Wenger, or Jose Mourinho, or Sven Goran Erikson, or Rafael Benitez, or Martin Jol?"

me making myself look a fool? who is the one putting mogga in the same bracket as the likes of mourinho,fergie,wenger and benitez!!!!

sasboro Posted on 24/5 12:24
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"Sas, you really are making yourself look like a fool today.

Tell me, just how good a player Alex Ferguson was, how about Arsene Wenger, or Jose Mourinho, or Sven Goran Erikson, or Rafael Benitez, or Martin Jol?"

me making myself look a fool? who is the one putting mogga in the same bracket as the likes of mourinho,fergie,wenger and benitez!!!!

grantus Posted on 24/5 12:27
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Not I. But you are using his playing career to state that he wouldn't be up to the job. These guys listed are considered the best managers in the league and they were no great sheiks as players, even worse than Mowbray.

Point is, great players do not necasserily great managers make.

It is an irrelevence and to even use it against Mowbray shows that you are talking shyte today.

Red_rebel. Good post.

grantus Posted on 24/5 12:30
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Except silly Sam statement of course

*hurls grenade*

sasboro Posted on 24/5 12:32
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i think all those manager were successful managers before coming to england. so if mogga proves he is a successdul manager before coming to boro than thats fine to have him as a manager

BossHogg Posted on 24/5 12:35
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What would it take for Mogga to be a successful manger in your eyes then Sas?

IF he can't manage on an even playing field, resources, training facilities, a club that can attract players, a club that pays decent wages etc, how will we ever know if he can hack in the top flight?

grantus Posted on 24/5 12:37
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So all they players would have known who Arsene Wenger and Marting Jol were, any more than Mowbray? Really?

Anyway, we'll see, I'm sick of this.

rebel makes a good point. I'd rather get in one of those names mentioned on his post, Mowbray comes in after that, my prefered manager of the B list. Mowbray just seems more realistic, thats all.

BobUpndown Posted on 24/5 12:39
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FFS.. any new manager could relegate us..

If players are not professional enough to play to a managers system then it's them we should be getting rid off, if, the manager is trying to get them to play football.. (not just hoof it like Wilkonson, Monkey Heed, Sam etc..)

we need to get it sorted, of the ones in the press: Dowie and Mogga are similar, don't know Mogga's work due to it been in scotland but Dowie seems decent.

Tho if were looking for experience Ranieri could be a good bet..

Just shows how far we've come and how tough it is to get a decent manager.. how many other premiership team managers would you pick (except the top 4)

1 decent/good season: Jol, Hughes, Pearce, Pardew, Dowie, Jewell..

so it's a tough job Gibbo has.. finding a Top Draw manager that is available and wants the job under our terms: El Tel, Ranieri..

sasboro Posted on 24/5 12:41
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i remember fergie winning a european trophy at aberdeen.s o at hibs i would expect a comfortable top3 finish and a good european cup run. then move to a club like ipswich and get them promoted and into the top half of the premiership and perhaps a cup final. just like jewell and pardew have done this season. thats the bench mark. but he's is possibly now competing with the sheffutd,reading and watford managers now

Nedkat Posted on 24/5 13:38
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Seems like an awful lot of people seem to forget Steve MacClaren was an assistant manager before he came to the Riverside. He had never held a managers position, yet we have an up and coming fully fledged manager, who also served his apprenticeship at a large club, being condemned before he's given a chance !!

BIGGEST LOAD OF FERKIN' SHYTE YOU'VE EVER POSTED, AND YOU'VE POSTED SOME SHYTE !!

grantus Posted on 24/5 13:43
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HEAR! HEAR!

*applauds vigorously*

Nedkat Posted on 24/5 13:47
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*doffs cloth cap, Yorkshire style* ...

There, I've said it ...

MY ARSE !!

bandito Posted on 24/5 13:50
re: Mowbray would relegate us

appointing McClaren was a big risk and a risk which ultimatley paid off. However he had already earned himself a reputation by working alongside the best manager in the business. If Mogga had been working alongside Mourinho for the past 3 yrs then you'd maybe take a chance. However, he hasnt and can we afford many more risks? When Mac took over the club was in disarray and a lot of deadwood needed to be shipped out. The club is now is a stable position and the decision to appoint is a lot harder for the chairman.

Calm yourslef down Nedkat.. You'll wake up half of Florida with your tantrums. As for you grantus, you'll just applaud anyone that agrees with you.

theboydom Posted on 24/5 13:52
re: Mowbray would relegate us

posted this on B_7's trademark thread, but it should be on here as well

gibson hasn't said the next manager must be english. what he said (which has since been paraphrased by those with their own agendas) was that whoever managed the boro would have to understand that we are an english club in the english premiership and the new man will have to fit in with our culture. he said he will appoint the best man for the job. lamb has since said they have ruled no one in and no one out.

i for one trust him to get it right. the big problem for the boro fans this time round is that whoever takes over will have a pedigree, and as football is all about opinions within 60 seconds of the name falling from gibson/lamb's lips, someone will be on here and on legends slagging some part of his (no doubt impressive) cv off. just look at the fuss on here over a few paper rumours!! this appointment will be the biggest one ever in the boro's history as whoever it is will be given the target of champions league football. a few fans whining about how the chosen man upset them by picking joe bloggs instead of steve smith in a friendly match a few pre-seasons ago will not be foremost in gibson's mind as he weighs up the appointment

we all care desperately about who is is going to be, but we cannot influence the decision. very frustrating for some, but we must just try and let the men in the know get on with it.

LisbonIegend Posted on 24/5 13:52
re: Mowbray would relegate us

McClaren has also left us with deadwood.
bandito, he's gone, get over it you short arsed homosexual.

grantus Posted on 24/5 13:55
re: Mowbray would relegate us

"As for you grantus, you'll just applaud anyone that agrees with you."

Erm, as opposed to applauding statements I dont agree with?

Insightful stuff yet again bandito.

Nedkat Posted on 24/5 13:56
re: Mowbray would relegate us

"short arsed homosexual" ... ? Come on now lads, let's not revert to name calling ...

Oh, and Bandito .. Don't tell me to calm down, you aint big enough, yer short arsed ... (STOP IT))))))

If we took a risk, which paid off, with Smac. Then why can't we take a risk with Mowbray ? To be quite honest with you. I don't see it as a risk, it's the younger and more forceful manager who is making the headlines these days. The old heads are a thing of the past.

sasboro Posted on 24/5 13:57
re: Mowbray would relegate us

there are lot better managers to take a risk with than mogga. how about goerge burley for example?what has mogga as a manager got better than burley?absolute nothing!

Nedkat Posted on 24/5 13:58
re: Mowbray would relegate us

Turn the question around, and you try and answer it ...

sasboro Posted on 24/5 14:00
re: Mowbray would relegate us

i asked the question first..

also add to list watford,sheff utd,reading,wigan,west ham manager..etc..i reckon i could name nearly 20 manager who arent anyhting flash who should come before mogga

bandito Posted on 24/5 14:01
re: Mowbray would relegate us

Yes, I'm 5ft 6ins, get over it chaps.

Now back to the debate unless you want to have an afternoon of name calling.

LisbonIegend Posted on 24/5 14:03
re: Mowbray would relegate us

5 foot 6 when wearing your wifes high heels.

Big_Shot Posted on 24/5 14:06
re: Mowbray would relegate us

Even if it was true in that its the younger managers who are making the headlines these days, although not actually acheiving anything. Why not want one of those then. The likes of Jewell, Pardew, Dowie and Boothroyd.

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bandito Posted on 24/5 14:06
re: Mowbray would relegate us

my sides are splitting. Whats your beef anyway?

grantus Posted on 24/5 14:06
re: Mowbray would relegate us

sasboro doesn't like to answer questions Ned, you know that.

Wasn't he George Burley's assistant? Then took over as manager when George left?

He hasn't suffered relegation as a manager, which many of the candidates you mention have.

Nedkat Posted on 24/5 14:06
re: Mowbray would relegate us

Are you sure your 5ft 6ins ... ?

Sorry, to disagree with your opinion, but I think Mogga would/will do a very good job for us. In the current merry go round of managers, I don't see a better candidate who is definitely available. Would Allardyce or Jewell leave their respective clubs to come to the Boro ? I'm not sure it wouldn't cost the club a lot more than they're worth. Dead against a 63 year old Venables, Curbishly is middle of roadish, George Burly's achievements don't impress, plus he's got some baggage hanging off him.

sasboro Posted on 24/5 14:08
re: Mowbray would relegate us

and in your opinion why do you think mogga will do a good job?

BossHogg Posted on 24/5 14:10
re: Mowbray would relegate us

Nedkat for PM

An argument that mirrors my own, but more eloquently put!!

* sound of applause *

bandito Posted on 24/5 14:10
re: Mowbray would relegate us

Nedkat: Venables is younger than you isnt he?

Jewell would definatley leave Wigan to come to Boro btw

boroboy75 Posted on 24/5 14:12
re: Mowbray would relegate us

Jewell has had a good couple of years at Wigan, but people shouldn't forget about the fuckup he made of Sheffield Wednesday when he left Bradford.

Nedkat Posted on 24/5 14:14
re: Mowbray would relegate us

No, but he's taller than you.

bandito Posted on 24/5 14:15
re: Mowbray would relegate us

agreed he did a crap job there but he has kept up two promoted sides in Bradford and Wigan. He also likes his teams to play decent football. Wouldnt be a disaster if we ended up with him

bandito Posted on 24/5 14:17
re: Mowbray would relegate us

Nedkat: For an old codger you are so easily wound up.

Big_Shot Posted on 24/5 14:19
re: Mowbray would relegate us

Jewell walked out on a PL club in Bradford to move to Sheff Wed and took them down a division, so I think he'd have no problem leaving a club. Not that I'd want him anywhere near the Boro.

scoea Posted on 24/5 14:20
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I agree. I think Mowbray would be an awful choice of manager. However, has this topic not been done to death?

Eddie_Catflap Posted on 24/5 14:21
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Is this thread still going? Thought I'd settled the whole matter earlier

bandito Posted on 24/5 14:22
re: Mowbray would relegate us

judging by the amount of people hot under the collar there's still mileage

ScarboroSmoggy Posted on 24/5 14:22
re: Mowbray would relegate us

Why would Jewell leave Wigan to come here.

bandito Posted on 24/5 14:23
re: Mowbray would relegate us

there's at least another ton in this one when grantus and nedcrap come back with their 101 best heightist jokes

Nedkat Posted on 24/5 14:24
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I'm not wound up at all, my little friend. Here's some advice -stop giving yourself false hope that your petty drivel could ever hope to wind anybody up.

I'm 48 years old, over 6 feet tall, and your several "old codger" attempts are some way below the level at which I would usually react. Now get some self-control and get on with the debate like a nice little chap.

bandito Posted on 24/5 14:24
re: Mowbray would relegate us

Scarb: Are you joking? Were a far bigger club than Wigan

grantus Posted on 24/5 14:24
re: Mowbray would relegate us

Easy bandito, I've not said a word. I dont resort to such childish name calling. It's not one of my shortcomings.

Nedkat Posted on 24/5 14:25
re: Mowbray would relegate us

nedcrap ... ?

How old are you ?

Oh well. That's yer lot, Bandito. You've just gone a long way down in my estimation.

Grow up, then come back and we'll talk again.

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ScarboroSmoggy Posted on 24/5 14:27
re: Mowbray would relegate us

He gets the backing from the chairman, he's under no real presure to achieve anything apart from keep them in the top flight, he is sitting pretty, today they've had 2 large bids accepted for players, one of them is reportedly Andy Johnson.

BossHogg Posted on 24/5 14:27
re: Mowbray would relegate us

"I agree. I think Mowbray would be an awful choice of manager"

Explain yourself kind Sir!

I haven't seen any of your thoughts on this..

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ScarboroSmoggy Posted on 24/5 14:28
re: Mowbray would relegate us

No one will be as good as his beloved Stevie baby, you should know that mate.

Big_Shot Posted on 24/5 14:29
re: Mowbray would relegate us

I noticed that 2 of their better players can't get away from Wigan quick enough. Maybe all isn't well there. Maybe its Jewell's fault. The chairman is a bit of a dick also.

bandito Posted on 24/5 14:30
re: Mowbray would relegate us

Nedkat: Stop patronising.

Will this do

""short arsed homosexual" ... ? Come on now lads, let's not revert to name calling ...

Oh, and Bandito .. Don't tell me to calm down, you aint big enough, yer short arsed ... (STOP IT))))))
"

ScarboroSmoggy Posted on 24/5 14:31
re: Mowbray would relegate us

Big_Shot, that sounds/sounded like us also, obviously not the chairman bit.

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sasboro Posted on 24/5 14:32
re: Mowbray would relegate us

still not seen a logical reason why mogga should be next boro manager above everyone else. as always tough questions get answered with silly answers

towz Posted on 24/5 14:32
re: Mowbray would relegate us

Upon what foundations do you base your assessment Bandito? That Mowbray has no experience of managing in the premier league? In that case Maclaren and Robbo should have seen us relegated (and what reputation did Maclaren have before he took over at Boro? Answer, none).

Big_Shot Posted on 24/5 14:33
re: Mowbray would relegate us

I was just about to mention the chairman bit

No I just think its a bit odd that a team has just done well in their first ever season in the top division and 2 of their better players are away immediately. Wouldn't expect that to happen for no reason.

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ScarboroSmoggy Posted on 24/5 14:34
re: Mowbray would relegate us

The players see Wigan as a stepping stone to apparently bigger and better things.

Wigan signed Bullard from a lower league team, he proved himself and moved one, foreign players will use them to get a foothold in the prem and show what they can do and hope to impress to move on to a bigger club.

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scoea Posted on 24/5 14:36
re: Mowbray would relegate us

Scarb, how about you trying to enter in to some matue discussion rather than just throw the same tierd insults all the time.

I do not want Mowbray to be our manager because I don't think he has the experience or nous to take us to the level we are aiming at. He has achieved precisely nothing in his time as a manager and it would be too much of a gamble to take him on. The fact that he is a Boro legend should not cloud the issue.

For the record, I was dead against the appointment of McClaren as well, for very similar reasons. Those same reasons are even more pertinent now because our aims and objectives are higher.

bandito Posted on 24/5 14:36
re: Mowbray would relegate us

Towz: Mogga has no experience of managing in the domestic english league. Neither dod Robson and neither did McClaren and yes they were both risks that paid off. Were in a very strong position now and I think inexperience again will hinder us and could quite possibly relegate us. We need someone who is proven and that is why we have approached Venables. If the decision to appoint Mogga was so paramount in Gibsons mind why isnt he here now?

boroboy75 Posted on 24/5 14:37
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"our aims and objectives are higher."

yeah, like 13th place at least next season.

BossHogg Posted on 24/5 14:42
re: Mowbray would relegate us

"For the record, I was dead against the appointment of McClaren as well, for very similar reasons. Those same reasons are even more pertinent now because our aims and objectives are higher."

Are you saying that you think we got away with a gamble on Mac, and that Mogga would be a gamble too far?

scoea Posted on 24/5 14:44
re: Mowbray would relegate us

Precisely BossHogg.

grantus Posted on 24/5 14:44
re: Mowbray would relegate us

Look, it's time to cut short this name calling. This is about the Boro and what heights we all want to achieve. Are we one of the biggest clubs? No, but we are certainly not dwarfed by many, only one or two in this country.

So we do have a slight chance of actually landing a top, top manager.

All of us would be happy with a Hitzfeld, or a Hiddink, or a Houllier.

Lets write off these other guys now (for arguments sake)

Venables - England, leaked info to press
O'Neil - wife commitments
Sam - too ambitious

This is not the debate really. The debate is between a lot of managers at a similar level and obviously there is a lot of disagreement on one inparticular.

We have gone round and round in circles over why Mowbray should or shouldn't be employed.

I challenge any of you to give a convincing argument why any of the young managers out there should be given the job instead of Tony Mowbray.

Time for you lot to put up or shut up.

sasboro Posted on 24/5 14:46
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..and still no answers on what makes mogga such a super manager to take on a job of managing the uefa cup runners up

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Big_Shot Posted on 24/5 14:50
re: Mowbray would relegate us

Don't need to. I don't want anyone who hasn't got any experience of managing or even coaching in the top divison of any of the top leagues in Europe. To be honest I'm not that keen on people with a little experience of top flight football.

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Eddie_Catflap Posted on 24/5 14:52
re: Mowbray would relegate us

My position exactly Big_Shot.

bandito Posted on 24/5 14:53
re: Mowbray would relegate us

Grantus: Can you make your first paragraph a bit more obvious.

scoea Posted on 24/5 14:54
re: Mowbray would relegate us

Those are my thoughts exactly Big Shot.

Big_Shot Posted on 24/5 14:55
re: Mowbray would relegate us

The thing is I have nothing against Mowbray. I have posted on here against nearly every manager thats been mentioned, I just don't want any of them.

boroboy75 Posted on 24/5 14:59
re: Mowbray would relegate us

Big Shot, didn't you suggest Steve Round the other day?

Nedkat Posted on 24/5 14:59
re: Mowbray would relegate us

He's getting paranoid now ...

Big Shot, you don't want anyone ?

bandito Posted on 24/5 15:00
re: Mowbray would relegate us

It would appear that Gibbo is thinking along similar lines with his attempts to land Venables who is far more qualified than any of the other candidates.

grantus Posted on 24/5 15:02
re: Mowbray would relegate us

Sas, why do it? I refere you to yesterday's 170 post long thread that addresses each and every argument against Mowbray as manager. Addressing and answering questions, I know its difficult for you sas. I'll try to make it easy for you. Why do you find it so hard to answer questions?

Big Shot - Don't need to? HA! Cop out, complete and utter cop out. So yes, not up to it, you fail the challenge. As does Eddie, Bandito and scoea.

Suprise, suprise.

Bandito couldn't help it, well spotted though.

grantus Posted on 24/5 15:07
re: Mowbray would relegate us

Ooops, sorry, yesterdays arguement for Mowbray. Its a bloody daily occurance.

Link: Arguments for Mowbray, some against too

towz Posted on 24/5 15:09
re: Mowbray would relegate us

Bandito: I'm not saying I would necessarily want Mogga, just pointing out that your initial post was a bit ridiculous (and an obvious attempt to get some bites - well done )

Bukowski_MFC Posted on 24/5 15:09
re: Mowbray would relegate us

I feel Mowbray would be a good choice considering who is currently available. My reasons for this are not particularly sentimental. I believe Mogga is a talented up-and-coming manager and coach who has experience of bringing through and developing youth, and who would have the best interests of the club at heart in everything he does. He already knows Gibbo and Lamb and will have followed the club throughout his career (so he wouldn't have to learn too much about the players and staff).

I know there are a fair few on here who are absolutely against bringing him in, but they all seem to be undecided on who else should be brought in. Most of the alternative suggestions put forward are unrealistic.

Mogga's the way forward!

Eddie_Catflap Posted on 24/5 15:12
re: Mowbray would relegate us

I can't argue the case for any of the young managers vs Mowbray. I don't want any of them. Nothing against Mowbray, who I would support if he got the job. But I would prefer someone with a track record of success who can push us to the next level. As you say we'd all be happy with a Hitzfeld or a Hiddink. I'll be disappointed if we don't get someone approaching that calibre.

Big_Shot Posted on 24/5 15:13
re: Mowbray would relegate us

bb75, I did yes, I just think that with him being first team coach and assistant manager here for the last 5 years he knows a hell more about this club and playing staff than any of the other average candidates that keep getting mentioned. So in that case for me would have been worth a try. Was always going to be very unlikely though.

Grantus, Why is it a cop out? You asked for people to explain why they would want any of the other young managers ahead of Mowbray and like I've said all along I don't want any of them, so why would I argue for them.

Nedkat, I don't want any of the ones that keep getting mentioned with the exception of Venables, who I'd be okay with although he isn't ideal. There just aren't really any good candidates about. We should at least be looking abroad in that case.



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bandito Posted on 24/5 15:25
re: Mowbray would relegate us

towz: Why was my initial post ridiculous. I have an extreme viewpoint on the situation. Mogga is no better qualified than Kevin Blackwell at leeds or Billy Davis at preston for example and they would probably take us down aswell. I think some people on here are too scared to question the great Tony Mowbray. In my opinion he isnt so great. Maybe one day he will be, maybe he wont. What I do know he was a helluva fookin player and I'll always be grateful for havig him lead us out of the depths of despair. I just dont think he could cut the mustard at the Boro at the moment. There is every chance he could get us relegated.

sasboro Posted on 24/5 15:29
re: Mowbray would relegate us

the fact is, mogga would not get in our current squad these days if he was 20 years younger. He would be somewhere like sunderland or barnsley. A great bloke and player at the right time but we are now out of his league and he needs to prove he has it to make it as top manager. And with mogga being a very honourable man he wil be the first to admit the boro job is too big for him and probably gets embarrassed when peopel ask him about it

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boroboy75 Posted on 24/5 15:29
re: Mowbray would relegate us

bandito, your hero McClaren could have got us relegated last year, if it was for the players' uprising.

doncollyony Posted on 24/5 15:30
re: Mowbray would relegate us

ITS AMAZIN HOW BANDICKO

CAN SEE INTO THE FUTURE.. JUST HOW MANY POINTS DID WE GET RELEGATED ON ? UNDER MOGGA ?? AND WHAT WAS THE CROWD... ? AND ON THE DAY WE GET RELAGATED - WHO WERE WE PLAYING ...........

ANSWER...... U FREAKIN DONT NO WHAT THE FUTURE BRINGS, DO YOU NUPMTY NUTS !

WE WILL ALL NO HOW GOOD HE IS, ONLY IF IT HAPPENS, HE WILL BE GOOD FOR US OR HE WONT BE.... SIMPLE

towz Posted on 24/5 15:31
re: Mowbray would relegate us

Bandito: As Bukowski so eloquently pointed out, there are many strong arguments as to why we should give Mogga a go. Your argument is purely conjecture, backed up with very little substance. I bid you adieu

*you midget

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doncollyony Posted on 24/5 15:35
re: Mowbray would relegate us

BANDICKO SHOULD BE TIED UP IN BLACK AND WHITE MASKIN TAPE, DRESSED UP AS A MAGPIE AND SENT FORTH VIA NEXT DAY COURIER SERVICE - TO :

SUNDERLAND A.F.C COLE MINERS SUPPORTERS TRUST

THEYD KNOCK SOME SENSE INTO THAT HEEED OH IS.... AYE DIVENT NAARR !!!!

THE DON !!

scoea Posted on 24/5 15:41
re: Mowbray would relegate us

Why has this developed into a load of insults? Pathetic.

I have enjoyed the debate on our managaerial candidates and can see both sides. I just don't think Mowbray is what we need.

sasboro Posted on 24/5 15:42
re: Mowbray would relegate us

scoea, we may disagree on things but here it is saying something when we both agree on the same thing

towz Posted on 24/5 15:42
re: Mowbray would relegate us

But do you concede that he may be the best available?

boroboy75 Posted on 24/5 15:43
re: Mowbray would relegate us

scoea, you can make this thread light-hearted and provide everyone with a chuckle.
Who are our transfer targets?

Big_Shot Posted on 24/5 15:45
re: Mowbray would relegate us

But there aren't many strong arguments for Mowbray. Its just the usual stuff like he's got the clubs best interest at heart(like any manager would) and has brought young players through(again like any other manager has). Its not really that different to someone else saying he'd relegate us as he has no experience of working with top players up against better opposition.

scoea Posted on 24/5 15:57
re: Mowbray would relegate us

towz - I don't I'm afraid. I don't think he is anywhere near the best available. I still think that Venables would be a perfect choice.

BB75 - lighthearted and your username should never be in the same vicinity.

towz Posted on 24/5 16:09
re: Mowbray would relegate us

I'm having trouble taking Venables seriously after the amount of media whoring he's been doing recently

bandito Posted on 24/5 16:12
re: Mowbray would relegate us

Before it gets ridiculous again cos I can see some of the kids have just got home from school, lets all agree that nobody knows how good or bad Mogga will be until he is chucked in there. We could get Mourinho in there and it could go to sh it. Who knows? Thats the beauty of debate. Why not make judgements as to how you THINK it may go. Nobody is right. Leave the insults behind, especially the ones that cant spell cos it makes a mockery of the whole thread. My argument is valid, as is grantus, as is anybody's. Some people just dont get the idea.

ive_lost_me_flag Posted on 24/5 16:13
re: Mowbray would relegate us

Mogga would be a brilliant manager for this football club.

Nedkat Posted on 24/5 16:16
re: Mowbray would relegate us

Graeme, you started the argument with a subject title that reads, "Mowbray would relegate us" .. Personally, I think that's a very hard statement to make, and not expect to recieve some crap for it.

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ive_lost_me_flag Posted on 24/5 16:17
re: Mowbray would relegate us

Nedkat, wtf? I didnt start this thread.

Nedkat Posted on 24/5 16:20
re: Mowbray would relegate us

Is your name Graeme as well ... ?


There's too many Graemes ...

ive_lost_me_flag Posted on 24/5 16:21
re: Mowbray would relegate us

Ohhh Bandito is called Graeme! Ive got it.

Sorry Nedkat...

bandito Posted on 24/5 16:21
re: Mowbray would relegate us

I'll take as much flak as anybody on here. I'm used to it by now. Infact I'm so small it goes over my head. In all seriousness, it's hardly a winston churchill type statement of intent is it? It's a gut feeling and one which might or might not happen. Should I be hung, drawn and quartered for being so radical? It just gets daft when people go off the point and get personal.

grantus Posted on 24/5 16:22
re: Mowbray would relegate us

at least, we finally get some sense from the dark side. We might just let peace in the valley prevail after all bandito.

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ive_lost_me_flag Posted on 24/5 16:23
re: Mowbray would relegate us

Bandito its nice to meet another Graeme, before now my only ray of hope was Graeme Souness Anyway, hello.

bandito Posted on 24/5 16:28
re: Mowbray would relegate us

Hello other Graeme. You found your flag yet?

Btw, I was named after Graeme Souness....

ive_lost_me_flag Posted on 24/5 16:29
re: Mowbray would relegate us

Havent found me flag, still at West Brom somewhere, Ive got a new one though, its got Teessiders on it.

Anyway, I wasnt named after anyone, it just came out of nowhere apparently.