| craig_pancrack Posted on 21/6 11:14 | |
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No future in God or the Queen. We need a modern republic now. The royals can see out their days at Windsor and Buck House is opened fully to the tourists, all proceeds to HER PEASANT SUBJECTS UP NORTH! | |
| Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 21/6 11:15 | |
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AGREED! | |
| Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 21/6 11:21 | |
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On Teesside/Cleveland as well.....just playing devil's advocate yesterday.....the board gets full of this North Riding nonsense too often....I'm sure some of the posters have just got out of the iron ore mines after a long shift. | |
| Jeff_Lebowski22 Posted on 21/6 11:21 | |
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here here, hopefully when the queen dies we can put all this royal family business behind us, keep the guards n that for the american tourists, and distribute all the royals wealth to the places that need it most, like the north east....pancrack i think that might be a step too far, so, lets do it gradually, starting perhaps with taxing these people! | |
| Reading1967 Posted on 21/6 11:28 | |
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carrying on from that if there is no future for God do we make all the clergy redundant pull all the churches down and build a few more Netto`s ? you make good films Craig but there are people who are religious and royalists live and let live our society hasnt done you any harm has it??? | |
| BoroMutt Posted on 21/6 11:28 | |
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The main thing saving the Queen and the other members of the "Lucky Sperm Club" is the alternative. President Blair or Cameron anyone? The problem with most electoral systems is that by the time anyone his risen far enough through the ranks to be the leader of a political party they are pretty much self obsessed, self interested sociopaths, meaning that the desire for power makes you pretty much unsuited to weilding it. If we just want someone to open racecourse and wave to the great unwashed we might as well stick with the Saxe-Coburgs. | |
| Jeff_Lebowski22 Posted on 21/6 11:34 | |
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nah reading we shouldnt touch the churches, if people keep (not) going im sure they will fall down naturally. ;) seriously though i think the royal family has had it cosy for long enough, longer than most other european countries, where heads were rolling down the streets hundreds of years ago. I think the time has come for change, and the queens death would be a perfect time to rid ourselves of it...look, its gonna be king charles, and who wants that, really?! And as for the president thing, its only a title, a name. you could argue that prime minister blair has this hunger for power already, no matter what his name is prefixed with.... | |
| boredreceptionist Posted on 21/6 11:39 | |
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What I don't get is, people still go to see Buckingham Palace whether she is there or not. So it could be argued that it is the historical buildings bringing in the money, not her. | |
| Cobain_94 Posted on 21/6 11:45 | |
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If they bring in so much money why don't they become a self sufficient company not reliant on tax. It wouldn't be a problem, they'd be kept in their glorious palaces and country estates. | |
| ccole Posted on 21/6 11:50 | |
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I don’t sing it because I am a loyal subject of her majesty who would lay down his life without question, just as to me, with my home on Teesside England isn’t a “green and pleasant land” I sing it because it’s our national anthem, it has been for the last 400 years, and it gives us an identity. It’s English/British. I dont care if we have a Royal head of state or not, but I am not ashamed to say that I feel proud to sign it, and why should I be? We eat more Donners and Pizza’s then fish and chips, should we change our national dish? It’s called tradition, its one of the things that make this country great, along with the freedom to fook off and live somewhere else if your unhappy with your lot. Those who would prefer Land of hope and Glory, what would you do about the final line of that song? | |
| BossHogg Posted on 21/6 11:53 | |
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Mr Pancrack, you make Bandito look happy go lucky! | |
| craig_pancrack Posted on 21/6 11:56 | |
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Reading....Nettos??? why Nettos??? On a more serious note, real change cannot be forced (look at Iraq) and I'm not advocating that. Change evolves on an individual basis one by one thru debate and people not just accepting that which has always gone before but by questioning it and commig up with new ideas. As for religion, I abhor it for the simple reason it is a political kop-out that thrives on obediance and not questioning. The monarchy like the church props up the class based heirarchy and conserves the old order and keeps people down. That is why i hate Tories.........errr...just my opinion like. | |
| Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 21/6 11:58 | |
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But the country isn't great, it's just a country, some things are good and some not so good.....the removal of the Royals would improve the country for me. I do understand the roles that the church and royalty play in the lives of some people, but they're not necessities and shouldn't be state funded. Those that want to keep the Royals should form a society that funds them, we'd soon see how popular they are then. | |
| craig_pancrack Posted on 21/6 12:00 | |
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too right! and am happy....being grouchy. | |
| Reading1967 Posted on 21/6 12:07 | |
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Craig Some societies are not allowed to debate the Holy or Jihad that peole predicted is already here , Muslim fundamentalist have only one aim , that is to introduce Sharia Law to all and anyone who doesnt follow Mohammed is to be slaughtered you are allowed the opinions you have expressed on this board because of the society you live in try giving your opinions to the Muslim fundamentalists and see how long you survive remember Margerat Hassan | |
| The_DiasBoro Posted on 21/6 12:17 | |
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When they had an attempted military coup in Spain. Who was it who rounded up the other generals to get them to declare their loyalty, thus knocking it on the head without bloodshed and saving the new democracy, with it's left wing government and all, all in one day? That's all a monarch has do but, assuming out lot would do that when needed, it makes them a bargain. Get rid of the royals and you wouldn't save any money for the public benefit at all. Blair would move into Buck palace and we'd still have to pay for it all. We need 2 new national anthems. One to replace God Save the Queen and one just for England. It would be easier though to just stop playing them at sports events because most of them are a joke. | |
| Jeff_Lebowski22 Posted on 21/6 19:35 | |
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hah but theres not going to be anything like that in the UK! no waivering loyalty, theres checks and balances for that kind of thing now, and what would the queen do exactly? 'oooohh, come on now fine chaps lets behave' They live in an absolute dream world, i believe, with no real conception of normal life, as they have never lived one, and no-one in their family has never lived one. blair wouldnt move into the palace, get british heritage on the case....it would'nt be blair anyway icoz he'l be gone next year. Corcaigh has the right idea, those who want to keep it should pay for it themselves, does it no bother anyone that your tax money is spent paying for butlers, maids, holidays to the andes, gardeners, landscapers e.t.c. etc..... | |
| post_edit Posted on 21/6 19:38 | |
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err no....not me anyway. | |
| ccole Posted on 21/6 21:35 | |
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This country is not great? That’s where we disagre. I can imagine living in a few countries I could name which would be a real struggle. Here, I have free health care, my son is educated without having to start full time work at 14. My country will give me a roof, will support me when I am out of work, allows me to speak my mind, and I have the freedom to come and go when I want. For that, I am grateful to be born in such a great country. I would suggest that 75% of the world’s population would also like to join me in this great nation. | |
| stepat Posted on 21/6 21:37 | |
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Nicely put, ccole. | |
| craig_pancrack Posted on 21/6 22:27 | |
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...yes but the queen and god are still rubbish. | |
| BillHicksBoro Posted on 21/6 22:38 | |
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I've been having this very same conversation recently. I won't sing "god save the Queen", I don't believe in god, and I don't want a monarchy. Shouldn't we have an anthem we can all sing, to bring us all together? Tradition? Pfft! If you can only justify something as tradition, its probably not worth it. | |
