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borodavey Posted on 31/7 22:45
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My girlfriend was coming back from work tonight and stopped by blockbuster video to drop in a dvd. Some asian bloke pulled out in front of her from a side street forcing her to slam on the breaks. Anyway she just parked up and was walking down that side street off linthorpe road. When he got out and ran after her. Hurling abuse calling her a "stupid english cow". He then slapped her across the face and hurled more abuse even though this was blantantly his fault.

She ran straight off to the car and he tried to take another swipe at her. she came home in floods of tears over this. I cant believe what this place is getting like. The fat he was racist also and if it had been the other way round he would have been screaming racist from the roof tops.

She was petrified as this happened down the side street and nobody was about and she thought anything could have happened. Plus she was mugged 4 yrs ago and has been frightened ever since. she now says she doesnt want to live in middlesbrough anymore and wants to move away.

He was about 40yr asian and had a yellow car, probably local to middlesbrough town and a big bloke apparently. This happened around 7pm tonight. Anybody who might know him let me know cos im on the look out for him. Typical woman beater scum. any info would be good

samauri_warrior Posted on 31/7 22:48
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Get her a mace spray - she'll feel better nad if it ever happens again she can squirt the bstads in the eyes- that might help.

bubblesmfc Posted on 31/7 22:49
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It might sound obvious but inform the police, there is a good chance its on cctv in that area.

neiltrodden Posted on 31/7 22:50
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I tell you what, I am not a violent person but if I'd seen that, I'd have ended up getting locked up. What a fking asrehole. What's worse is that no-one intervened. Shocking thing to happen, hope she is alright.

Ste_1986 Posted on 31/7 22:58
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Don't have any info mate but that is not on at all !!! Your right just scum !!! Im not racist so im not going to say anything about that and you do get idiots from every race so i wouldn’t go blaming it solely on where they were from although he did say "English scum" which is abit harsh !!!

I'll keep a look out for you mate and if I see an Asian bloke in a yellow car i'll pass details on !!!

But i wouldn't go and do anything stupid if you do get details about who or where he is just leave it alone you might not know who you are messing with. I'd go to the police and pass this info on let them deal with it mate. Hope your girlfriend is okay !!!

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neiltrodden Posted on 31/7 23:00
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Ste_1986 Posted on 31/7 23:01
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DC_BoroMAD Posted on 31/7 23:04
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I'll certainly keep an eye out for a yellow car in that area. I frequent blockbuster quite a bit.

It'll probably been a flash car from around the New Pysche area. Cant be too hard to spot.

Its a disgrace stuff like this. Really is. That street is quite enclosed like.

bevo2005 Posted on 31/7 23:07
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Same as DC_BoroMad, we use that blockbuster often so if we see the car, we'll let u know

moxzin Posted on 31/7 23:08
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What a total scummer.

hells_bells83 Posted on 31/7 23:11
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Have you informed the police? It could be that he is well known.

janplanner Posted on 31/7 23:13
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that;s horrendous. do as bubbles said, every chance some of it was cought on cctv.

i hope your girlfriend feels better soon, but i can see why she'd be scared long while after that.

borodavey Posted on 31/7 23:17
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cheers everyone.

she is more shook up than anything. Like i say she was a victim of a attempted mugging 4 yr ago but thankfully i was there and intervened that time. I got a 15 minute beating of 12-13 lads with glass bottles but thankfully she wasnt hurt. That time i managed to find out who some of them where and 1 got 6 years, and another 3. This time nobody was about.

Might get her some farb gel, thats legal and leaves a stain of the face so easily identified. she wont go to the bill, last time when we got the other banged up it went on for other a year.

Mad thing is the bloke who got 6 years wanted to be on tv. I was contacted by the probabtion board and asked if i would give permission for a bbc documentary to be made about him. I told them where to go like

BERWICKHILLS_BOPPER Posted on 31/7 23:27
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That is an absolute disgrace, a horrendous story. If im thinking of the same side street you mentioned, is it the one down the side of blockbuster itself? coz there are a few university buildings round there and if memory serves me, i think a CCTV is there for the cars, might be worth checking out.

I do hope you catch this human filth and he gets everything that comes to him. hopefully a savage beating himself.

borodavey Posted on 31/7 23:34
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she knows nothing will be done by police. just a slap on the wrist and she is worried he will see her about, he will be on camara as he was going to blockbuster cos when she went to run away she knocked a dvd out of his hand and they will have camaras i assume, i will keep trying to talk her into it.

I will be staying off work tomorrow now i think so she isnt left in all day cos she is off. I wanna get her out and about cos she will be worse sat in all day. i have only worked for the company 2 months though but im owed a day in lou for working to half days on a couple of saturdays, hopefully there wont mind.

bubblesmfc Posted on 31/7 23:42
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It would be best to persuade her to go to the police, particularly in light of the good chance of cctv catching the incident. Not doing so means he HAS got away with it. Its not the police who give him a slap on the wrist, its the judges who seem to bottle out of harsh sentences.

holgate_rochey Posted on 31/7 23:51
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cheeky scum c_unt, hope you catch him and kill him.

borodavey Posted on 31/7 23:56
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in a way its a good job i wasnt there as i would most likely be in the nick now. After last time it happened i reckon i would have lost it a bit. Im normally able to stay calm in any situation but not if a girl gets hit and especially if its my girlfriend. Im a bit protective since last time. Understandably i suppose

neiltrodden Posted on 1/8 0:01
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davey, just clicked that you are the same as the davey on the other thread (if you know what I mean).

A bloke attacked the baby son of a bloke I used to work with in the town last year. He is still out there.

I'd urge you to reconsider the police. Anyone who would chase down a woman and slap her in broad daylight is capable of a lot more than that.

borodavey Posted on 1/8 0:05
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thats what i think neil. im going to try and talk her into it tomorrow. i sent her to bed early to get a good nights sleep and hopefully she will think differently tomorrow

Smifter Posted on 1/8 0:10
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I also urge you to go to the police. My brother was attacked outside Mcdonalds on Linthorpe Road a few months ago, and we persuaded him to go and they caught them from cctv. complete scum.

Hope she is ok, my thoughts are with her

boredreceptionist Posted on 1/8 10:02
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If you don't go the police he could attack someone else and seriously injure them. I wouldn't want that to happen if it was me.

acklam_lad Posted on 1/8 10:05
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shot them all out

mozza_1 Posted on 1/8 10:10
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terible news mate

hope she is ok, please go to the police - dont let him get away with it you could get him on assault and also under the new race laws

fishface101 Posted on 1/8 10:22
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dont let this go

this guy could very easily do it to another woman and not think twice about it

he'll probably get a slap on the wrist for what he did but the racist remarks

Really kick up a fuss about the racist thing

believe me if it was the other way round they would be more than screaming it from the rooftops

they would go to the papers tv anyone who would listen and really milk it

if we are to stop racism in this country at all it has to work both ways they need to get into as much trouble for it as we would

even if cctv doesnt see the incidend his car will be put in that area at that time

dont let apathy win this one

skiprat Posted on 1/8 10:36
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Bang out of order. Me and my mate got caught up in a big figbht in town years back near there (over the orad where the Bite Inn is) and the Polive had it all on CCTV but we decided against pressing charges so they do definitely have CCTV on that stretch.

I doubt moving away from Boro would do any good mind. It's a problem with England and the values people have in this country, not a Boro problem.

spiros1 Posted on 1/8 10:59
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neil did you used to work for npower in thornaby ?

BLUE_RIZLAS Posted on 1/8 11:07
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"although he did say "English scum" which is abit harsh !!!"

If I'd of slapped a Pakistani screaming "Paki scum", I bet you would be calling it more than harsh.

You make me laugh.

Ste_1986 Posted on 1/8 11:15
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i did say something abit more than that but neil had a go so i removed it !!! It wasn't racist or anything just border line politically incorrect !!! But didn't know what else to say so i put abit harsh which was a pretty pathetic comment but there you go !!!

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BLUE_RIZLAS Posted on 1/8 11:25
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Oh!

If anyone does find theCunt, make sure you take his radio first, as you will be swarmed with the taxi farkers, all tooled up.

Questions_Questions Posted on 1/8 11:30
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An Asian in a yellow car? I take it that it wasn't a taxi? If it was you have no chance of finding him.

Amazing that you can be called 'English Scum' in england, by someone who will claim to be English when it suits. If he thinks the English are scum, then maybe he should thing about living elsewhere.

guyb Posted on 1/8 11:33
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Because this is a racist incident (the abuse he doled out) then the police will treat it more seriously than a normal assault.

Sad but true.

Ste_1986 Posted on 1/8 11:35
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Agreed

jeff_potato Posted on 1/8 11:36
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Forgiving the casual racism scattered throughout this thread, I'm pretty shocked that this happened when the assailant wasn't under the influence of drink or drugs.

Says a lot for the chap's upbringing, the nasty little man.

Marlon_D Posted on 1/8 11:37
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Me and my mates were attacked by half a dozen Asians in the Dickens a few years back. We gave them as good as they gave and once it all split up they started using the racism card within seconds saying we'd called them the usual BB's etc, which was total rubbish.

Anyway once we finally got outside we jumped in a taxi, he pulled round the corner locked us in until another couple of cars pulled up behind he then let them open the doors and they tried to knock the fook out of us. And one of the lads had his girlfriend with him. She took 2 or 3 punches in the face unprovoked as she was nearest the door.

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Gelderd_Fred Posted on 1/8 11:40
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"Forgiving the casual racism scattered throughout this thread"

Ah, a member of the "racism is only perpetrated by whitey" brigade.

Butters1406 Posted on 1/8 11:42
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This isnt just in Middlesbrough, i went to Leeds last weekend and had a cracking night out with a friend. We were walking back to his flat and were having a bit of a laugh with some bloke and his wife who were walking the same way. we came round a corner and were faced with 12-15 asain men who clearly had been doing nothing but hanging around the streets all night, they all looked atround their mid-20s. A couple of them started abusing us, shouting look at that fat white girl with her slack white p*ssy and other obsenitys. If i hadnt been so pissed i would have been quite intimidated, luckily this guy seemed to have his head screwed on and just walked away.
Whats happening to this country?

Questions_Questions Posted on 1/8 11:44
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Marlon D - I'm afraid they have a them against us mentality. Not willing to intergrate and all to quickly use the 'Racism Card' because they know the Police will have to take it more seriously if the word 'racism' is used.

If the accusation of racism is used then the police will have to be seen to act - otherwise they will be accused of racism.

Everyone is walking on egg shells.

Its shocking that someone has to suffer racist abuse anywhere, espacially in their own back yard.

jeff_potato Posted on 1/8 11:48
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Get a grip, Gelderd.

I'm talking about comments such as...

"The fat[sic] he was racist also and if it had been the other way round he would have been screaming racist from the roof tops"

It's not a fact.

"if we are to stop racism in this country at all it has to work both ways they need to get into as much trouble for it as we would"

Us against them. Love it.

Not wishing to detract from the original post in this thread, mind; fact is that it was a violent assault, deplorable, but the racism is the cherry on top to confirm what a complete moron the perpetrator was.

BoroPhil Posted on 1/8 11:48
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ffs, does everyone want to get off their high horse? Would anyone here be seriously offended if someone called you an English ****? I'd just laugh at them.

Calling an Asian (and most likely English) person a paki **** is ten times worse, its not a comparable situation.

The fact he was asian is irrelevant. He was being a **** and insulted and assaulted her and I hope you report it and he gets caught.

neiltrodden Posted on 1/8 11:48
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"Ah, a member of the "racism is only perpetrated by whitey" brigade."

There's been racist remarks on this thread. The 'he started it' argument doesn't justify it.

bandito Posted on 1/8 11:55
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just read this and I am steaming with anger.

Report it and hopefully the cops will get onto him and give him a good kicking

Marlon_D Posted on 1/8 11:56
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Actually their's more to the story, but basically at a later date one of the lads got attacked by one of the Asian guy's as he was picking his kids up from school. Asian gut got off by claiming he was racially provoked. Absolute utter garbage, neither him, me or any of the other lads are one iota racist in anyway.

Questions_Questions Posted on 1/8 11:58
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BoroPhil

I would not be fussed if i was called 'English Scum', no more so than being called 'Scum' anyway.

But the fact is if you called an asian 'Paki Scum' or 'Pakistani Scum' it would be racist. Therefore Vice Versa is also racist ie English Scum.

Whether you personally are offended or not is irrelivant. If the perpatrator is intending to be racist - he is being racist full stop.

BoroPhil Posted on 1/8 12:04
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rubbish. calling an English asian 'paki scum' would be much more offensive (esp as they probably aren't pakistani, they are probably english) than calling someone white 'English scum'.

guyb Posted on 1/8 12:09
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"A racial incident is defined as any incident which is perceived to be racist by the victim or any other person. This definition was given by Sir William Macpherson in his Report on the Stephen Lawrence Inquiry (Recommendation 12) and has subsequently been adopted by Parliament in its response to the Macpherson Inquiry.

It is important when dealing with racist incidents, to be clear about this definition - that it is the perception of the victim or person reporting an incident that must be taken into account indefinitional and recording terms. This does not mean an incident is invariably and finally recognised as racist because someone considers it such- only that the perception that it is so is acknowledged.

The definition is designed to take account of the fact that under-reporting of racist incidents is a serious problem in dealing with racism. There has been an historic tendency for practitioners and institutions to ignore or underplay the frequency of racist incidents and racism."

I am another person and I perceive this to be a racial incident - ergo it IS a racial incident.

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ive_lost_me_flag Posted on 1/8 12:10
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I feel for her, but if she got a good look at his face then call the police, give in a description. These barstards complain if we slip out a racist comment by accident but get away with near racist murder.

Questions_Questions Posted on 1/8 12:15
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Technically not rubbish as the underlying insult is the same. You are being abused because you are a different colour/race to the person spouting the obscenity.

This asian guy probably is English, but he used the word English in his insult because the lady was white. I as a white englishman would note insult another white englishman with 'English Scum'. It just wouldn't work.

The fact is he used it because he was seeing himself as asian as opposed to english, disassociating himself with the lady (even if both are english). Therefore seeing the lady as a different race, which in turn made the comment racist. Exactly the same as a white man calling an asian 'Paki'.

neiltrodden Posted on 1/8 12:16
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"These barstards"

These black barstards? Is that what you meant?

Lot of "they" and "them" on this thread, if you check the original post, it's a scumbag who thinks hitting women is ok. Anyway, let it become a thread to let your racist sweeping statements out if it makes you feel any better.

ive_lost_me_flag Posted on 1/8 12:17
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Im talking about the 'ethnic minorities' who ABUSE the protection provided by the police/government.

neiltrodden Posted on 1/8 12:19
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And how has this bloke abused his 'protection'? I can pretty much assure you, the police wouldn't protect him from an assault charge.

Would any of this made a difference to borodavey's gf?

ive_lost_me_flag Posted on 1/8 12:20
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As soon as this bloke says hes been racially abused the police will do everything they can to catch whoever it was, thats the advantage they have.

neiltrodden Posted on 1/8 12:23
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So what are you saying? Don't investigate racial crimes? Or only investigate them when they are against "us" and not "them" because it would give "them" an advantage?

Questions_Questions Posted on 1/8 12:24
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Neil - It sounded like a racist incident to a few people on here. Therefore the discussion has followed the theme. There has been no tangent into a discussion on racism. It was mentioned in the 1st post.

Chutney Posted on 1/8 12:28
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And this coming from someone who stated "I'm afraid they have a them against us mentality"

zoec Posted on 1/8 12:29
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"These barstards complain if we slip out a racist comment by accident.."

How on earth can you slip out a racist comment "by accident"??

Actually, you just did.

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ive_lost_me_flag Posted on 1/8 12:30
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It occasionally happens, wen your angry or wound up, you often say things you regret.

Trotsky4u Posted on 1/8 12:31
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"As soon as this bloke says hes been racially abused the police will do everything they can to catch whoever it was, thats the advantage they have."
So, thats why Stephen Lawrences murderers are in prison and not laughing.
Open your eyes and see how racist Britain is

Marlon_D Posted on 1/8 12:33
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i don't think people are being overtly racist on this thread. I think the point the likes of flaggy and others are trying to make is that as a country we have tried to stamp out racism in all forms, however a "minority" of the ethnic minorities have turned things around a 180 degrees and used the "racism" card to their advantage in a number of situations.

ive_lost_me_flag Posted on 1/8 12:33
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Im not racist but I know people who are, wots the word - racial harmony I think. I hate racism, either way, if Im racially abused I wont stand back and take it or if someone makes a racist comment Ill say something.

ive_lost_me_flag Posted on 1/8 12:33
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Thanks Marlon_D

Questions_Questions Posted on 1/8 12:34
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"So what are you saying? Don't investigate racial crimes? Or only investigate them when they are against "us" and not "them" because it would give "them" an advantage?"

Think your putting words in the lads mouth there. He's simply saying that Ethnic Minorities use the racist card when there has been no racist incident - like in Marlon D's example. Because they (is it racist to say they?) know the police have to be more careful on how the situation is handled.

Andy_33 Posted on 1/8 12:41
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Forgive me if this has already been posted.
Is Blockbusters on the corner of Sothfield Lane(not road)/Linthorpe Road.
If it is we installed a CCTV camera for MBC on Southfield Lane.This would give perfect visibility of this junction.The quality of these images are brilliant making face recognition highly probable.
It would be worth contacting Middlesbrough Council or Police.

redz69 Posted on 1/8 12:49
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Police would deal with it in its entirety, nothing at all to do with MBC.

Cobain_94 Posted on 1/8 12:55
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"if we are to stop racism in this country at all it has to work both ways they need to get into as much trouble for it as we would"

"Us against them. Love it."

No not us against them at all, he was just pointing out the total double standards in this country. Reverse racism.

Anyway I hope the guy who slapped your girlfriend gets a absolute pasting.

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jeff_potato Posted on 1/8 12:56
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Cobain, read the original quote. I mean, really read it. Absorb the words "they" and "we."

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redz69 Posted on 1/8 13:00
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He has come on a message board and reported an incident which should be ideally reported direct to the Police, they would deal with it. Perhaps it is one person carrying out verbal assaults on a number of people, it does not have to be an entire community of Asians. Get it reported on 326326, get an incident number.

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Cobain_94 Posted on 1/8 13:00
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Yeah but he was stating the fact that we can't get away with playing the race card where as Asians can. He was in no way insulting Asian people just pointing out how things are, the attitudes on this thread are evidence of this, it's ok for someone of Asian origin to insult someone of British origin but not the other way around. Double standards.

towz Posted on 1/8 13:02
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She should definitely go to the police. I got my head kicked in by two lads just before the Ostrava away game. Was walking down corporation road and got walloped in the head for no reason. Two lads then knocked shyhte out of me for about 10 minutes. Next thing I was being woke up by paramedics and put in an ambulance. needed stitches, leg was swollen etc. Looked a right state in Ostrava as well. Anyway, the lads got caught by CCTV. One got 3 years and I got some compo.

Defintely report it there's loads of cameras now and odds are they'll have footage somewhere.

jeff_potato Posted on 1/8 13:04
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In cases reported in the media, Cobain, many non-whites do appear to get away with racist incidents. However, the world is not contained within sink estates where scummy kids from varied ethnic backgrounds mix.

Luckily we're protected by constabularies routinely outed as racist in this country, though. Modern Britain, I love it!

I have similar debates with numerous folk from Yorkshire at uni - people from Leeds seem to have this massive chip on their shoulder about racial trouble in their areas - "It's them who start it!" the classic "They get away with it, so should we!"

Playground squabbles, plus 20 years - somebody has to take the high ground and not bite back.

redz69 Posted on 1/8 13:04
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fades away

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Trotsky4u Posted on 1/8 13:06
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Cobain - I've just reread this in its entirity and nowhere has anyone said it's ok for someone of Asian origin to insult someone of British origin

Marlon_D Posted on 1/8 13:06
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Well what other words could be used in place of "they" and "we."

As usual a thread were people are trying to make comments on what has now become a phenomenon "reverse racism" (that was the phrase I was looking for earlier) has been hijacked by people jumping all over them.

It is a simple fact that both whites and Asians have a minority of idiots who will perpertrate(sp) racist violence and abuse. However what is also apparent now is that the ethnic minorities, especially the younger generation, now realise that this can be used to their great advantage in a number of different situations. Until this island realises that we have racial issues in "both" communities the problems will still carry on.

parmos_r_us Posted on 1/8 13:07
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Is using words like "they" "them" "we" "us" racist? Or is it just a convenient and faster way of discussing/typing about two different groups such as asians and white englishmen?

I think the latter - too much is read into the way people word their posts. Its obvious in most cases where people are just differentiating between two sets of people in question.

jeff_potato Posted on 1/8 13:11
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parmos, it's just ignorant though - just like how so many people from across the Asian subcontinent are labelled as P***s by some people - it's akin to someone flying from Lahore to Dublin, getting off the plane and calling everyone a French git.

However, I think that there's a difference between racist and blissfully ignorant. A lot of people are genuinely unaware when they say things that can quite easily be construed as offensive/racist - this can easily be remedied through a sit down over a nice cup of tea and a brief chat about how some of their views and labels are misguided.

parmos_r_us Posted on 1/8 13:16
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Jeff - I really don't think you can say calling someone a P*** (fundimentaly racist) is the same as casually saying them, us, we etc.

We could all lengthen our posts and the time it takes to write them by writting 'the Asians' or 'The ethnic minorities' or 'the white british'. But thats a bit long winded.

I thinks them, us, we etc is used for convenience and does not come across as racist to me. But everyone is different.

neiltrodden Posted on 1/8 13:17
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I don't know why people are moaning about reverse discrimination though. People seem to be using this thread as an excuse to have a rant about "them" asians. As davey says, it's one asian man who did this, not all of them. All people seem to be fixating on is if "we" did it, "we'd" get more harshly punished than if "they" did it.

zoec Posted on 1/8 13:17
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Well said, jeff_potato. Also, I would hazard a guess that if "white" and "English" are used as part of an insult, the person they're aimed at would not take offence at these words, but whatever was added to them, eg "white b****d". I certainly wouldn't - maybe some would.

Marlon_D Posted on 1/8 13:17
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jeff_potato, you've just shifted even further to the left. Nobody has mentioned or infered that this guy was a "paki" he has been described as an Asian, just as we are Europeans.
Get off your high horse because as I read this thread your views are coming over as blinkered and at best ignorant.

I am not racist and neither left, right or buffalo wing. What yourself neil & zoec are agreeing on is that their is racists in this country. This is not a revelation as it is fact, but it is in all types of communities. As usual this board is representing the silent majority that sit on their hands in real life for fear of reprisal's from the PC brigade who have over ran this country. This is not a view of a racist.

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jeff_potato Posted on 1/8 13:20
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So everybody who says "us" and "them" is fully educated on issues of race and discrimination, and is in fact saving time.

Ye Gods, if only such a generalised thought was true.

neiltrodden Posted on 1/8 13:23
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Using "us" and "them" is not people saving time. It's just easier for them if they can lump a whole load of bad people into one convenient stereo-type. It must make them feel better.

parmos_r_us Posted on 1/8 13:23
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Neil - Anyone who says that a white man will get more punishment than an asian (or other race) for racism is wrong. If you are found guilty for the same thing i'm sure the punishment would be the same (or very similar depending on circumstances).

I think the issues some people have is the 'cry wolf' reaction that asians (or other races) can and sometimes do use. The racism card can be easily used to complicate situations as it puts things into a different light.

Trotsky4u Posted on 1/8 13:26
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when some white people use the term "we" I for one don't want to be associated with their notion of what is British/English - people like Nick Griffin certainly do not represent anything positive about our country

neiltrodden Posted on 1/8 13:29
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The point I am getting at is this bloke didn't cry wolf. I don't see how this discussion ended up being about that. It's the fact that people assume that just because this bloke was asian, he would be flashing the race card wherever it suited him yet crying wolf when the tables are turned.

At no point in davey's post was that even inferred.

parmos_r_us Posted on 1/8 13:31
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I didn't say everyone jeff, some do have a them against us mentality.

I don't personally (not consciously anyway, maybe you can tell me different), but i still use we and them as a term of reference. Not to offend. And its likely that asians will use the same terminology, but i would not call them* (*asians using the words we and them) racist.

Lefty3668 Posted on 1/8 13:32
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borodavey,

take a photo of your lady's face when the bruising comes out, just in case you do decide to go to the Police, but the bruising disappears before the SOCO gets to you. Hold that days newspaper up on one of them to prove the date.

It is a physical assault on a woman with racist overtones and road rage thrown in, there is no way this will not be treated with the utmost seriousness. Let the Police handle this, anyone taking the law into their own hands is likely to end up in more bother.

I hope she overcomes this.

parmos_r_us Posted on 1/8 13:34
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You are right Neil, it wasn't. And i'm not sure anyone said that the particular person in Daveys post has or will cry wolf (if they did then they are speculating).

But discussions spiral into other areas, all threads do.

Marlon_D Posted on 1/8 13:34
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neil you are assuming that anybody that expresses a view on this thread that doesn't fall in line with your left wing views is racist.

Like I've said before I'm not politically swayed either way but the way the "Lefties" jump all over any political thread on this board is getting beyond a joke.

borodavey Posted on 1/8 14:04
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she is not to bad today. but has had her mind taken off it when it rained and the ceiling leaked. thanks for the concern everyone. im thinking of popping in blockbuster where the bloke was going and report it to them as she wont report it to the police yet as she wants to consider it for a day or too. with a bit of luck they will give me a name

neiltrodden Posted on 1/8 14:07
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"neil you are assuming that anybody that expresses a view on this thread that doesn't fall in line with your left wing views is racist."

No I am not. I am stating that saying "them" and "us" when this whole thread is about ONE person is racist.

"but the way the "Lefties" jump all over any political thread on this board is getting beyond a joke."

Now THAT'S irony.

mozza_1 Posted on 1/8 14:08
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rubbish. calling an English asian 'paki scum' would be much more offensive (esp as they probably aren't pakistani, they are probably english) than calling someone white 'English scum'.


what happens if your welsh or irish?

acklam_lad Posted on 1/8 14:14
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hope they kick the living s**t outa him calling him what he deserves, i won't say what

parmos_r_us Posted on 1/8 14:19
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"I am stating that saying "them" and "us" when this whole thread is about ONE person is racist."

You keep harking back to the 1st thread, but there has been another 90 since and the discussion has moved into other areas, as all discussions tend to do.

To call people using 'them' and 'us' in their (the posters) threads racist is a bit presumptious. But perhaps you know more about me than i do.

Marlon_D Posted on 1/8 14:21
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neil your whole argument on this thread is a one trick pony.

Totally agree with Parmo.

Bukowski_MFC Posted on 1/8 14:27
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Borodavey - when you go into Blockbuster, tell them she's your wife and they'll take it more seriously and probably give you his name. This scum needs to be made to pay one way or the other.

fishface101 Posted on 1/8 15:22
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Jeff potato I'm not from leeds originally i'm from near the boro. Try living in leeds it wont be long before you start using the them and we comments the so called chips on there(people who live in leeds not another separate community) shoulders come from seeing incidents like this and butters 1406 experience happening every day. you start to understand why people from leeds think like this

like i said if it was the other way around (not sure how you can use a word other than) they would be screaming racism and trying to milk it as much as they (sorry theres that word again) can and i am pointing out that reverse racism does happen and should be punished as much as if it was the other way round thing is if it is the other way round and you try to report it you get laughed at and told to go away

I've overheard asian gangs talking about going and doing over a whitey when the police arrive start saying to the police they were calling them p*** barstuards thats why it all kicked off the guy on the recieving end did in no way call them anything the only thing he did was to be in the wrong place at the wrong time yes they got arrested but were not charged with a racial attack which by the way this gang were talking this attack clearly was racially motivated

would you say talking about boro fans and jawdee fans as they and us the same

thank you cobain 94 you get what i was saying

Until this island realises that we have racial issues in "both" communities the problems will still carry on. well said marlon d

and just in case you think i am racist i am talking about a minority of people which we have in all communities i have many friends who are not english who actually agree with my point

i happen to think past the colour of skin or religion its the attitude that i am referring to and i also think that there are decent people in these communities i know quite a lot of them

if i was to change my wording in my original reply i would say "if it was the other way round HE would be more than screaming it from the rooftops

saying they should get into as much trouble as we would should be everyone who uses racist comments should be in as much trouble as the next man but i'm afraid that is not the case

i was in no way pointing out the them and us that you have jumped all over

i was pointing out what would have happened if it were the other way around borodavey was right he would have screamed it from the rooftops

its wrong this is what gets me angry

I do agree with jeff potatoe on his point

"but the racism is the cherry on top to confirm what a complete moron the perpetrator was"

Borodavey Hope the girlfriend is feeling better today

Cobain_94 Posted on 1/8 15:32
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Jeff I wasn't using the "they started it" and "if they can get away with it we should be able to". My point is no one should be allowed to get away with it, predjudice is predjudice no matter what the race or colour.

Trotsky4u further up the thread someone says it's ok to call someone an English **** but not to call someone a paki ****. Double standards.

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Archie_Stanton1 Posted on 1/8 15:56
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Unfortunately, it now IS a case of them and us. The open door immigration policy of the last decade has left a huge number of British people feeling besieged and under threat, be that real or imagined. Hence the rise in the B.N.P. The failure of a large number of immigrants to integrate and adopt the customs of their new home has also led to the creation of two seperate Britains.

I fear that the racist incidents that now seem to be becoming commonplace, are the beginning of more serious events, events which may well be fuelled here by war and conflict between Christian and Moslem countries elsewhere.

I hope the girl who was attacked makes a complete recovery.

JONNY_1_GAME Posted on 1/8 15:59
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its their atitude that annoys me most

Trotsky4u Posted on 1/8 16:01
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why should someone ditch their trditions and culture just because they move to another country?
Would you if you moved to Mexico, India or anywhere else with a radically diferent culture?

thesonofgod Posted on 1/8 16:02
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maybe the girls attacker was an immigrant

Questions_Questions Posted on 1/8 16:02
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Who said you should?

Smifter Posted on 1/8 16:04
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Trotsky no one asks them to change their culture and traditions, just to live in the law of our society, and that includes no assualting women!

Trotsky4u Posted on 1/8 16:06
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Smifter Archie_Stanton1 said "The failure of a large number of immigrants to integrate and adopt the customs of their new home..." why should anyone have to

BoroandProud Posted on 1/8 16:08
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This kind of subject seems to be cropping up more and more these days. It absolutely boils my piss when people get on their high horses and bleat about all this PC crap, which to be fair is ruining our country. I know it's certainly not specifically a race problem in Middlesbrough, maybe more of a 'yob culture,' but there definately seems to be a bit of an undercurrent starting up. I'm certainly not a racist person myself, i do not condone it in any way shape or form. I know lads who are ardent racists and i just do not agree with it, as i have a few friends myself of different ethnic backgrounds.
I really think it's sad though, that a young lass should be scared to walk the streets of Middlesbrough for fear of being racially abused or bullied. As Davey said, it was a quiet street, it could have easily been a lot worse. Asian/Pakistani lads seem to congregate in large groups in and around the towns pubs, clubs and streets more and more. I must admit, if i'm on my own walking through a gang of them, it is intimidating. Again, i know this isn't exclusive to just the ethnic lads (Cue the jokes about gangs etc.) I just find it really hard to swallow that it could have been my mother being called an 'English Bitch' and slapped by someone who, lets be fair, shouldn't even fooking be here in the first place (i know that sounds bad.) Imagine if i called a stani a 'pakiCunt' in Pakistan, it would go down like a lead balloon. Sorry, but i just can't stand this kind of thing happening on our doorstep.
Sorry to hear about your girl, hope she's ok.

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Questions_Questions Posted on 1/8 16:08
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They don't have to adopt the customs, but some intergration should be sought. If not, this is where the us and them attitudes originate.

Questions_Questions Posted on 1/8 16:11
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"Imagine if i called a stani a 'pakiCunt' in Pakistan, it would go down like a lead balloon"

Putting it mildly, you'd probably be lynched and killed.

Smifter Posted on 1/8 16:13
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Q_Q correct, you should live within the law, and live within your own customs, but need to be intergrated with ours to live within our laws, if thats not ok, they are welcome to leave.

fishface101 Posted on 1/8 16:14
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stoned to death more like

neiltrodden Posted on 1/8 16:16
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Parmo, as much as you like to think this thread is now discussing different issues than the one that opened it, it isn't really. That was the catalyst and now people are trotting out their usual generalisations, sweeping statements or what I like to call prejudice. Read this very carefully: making generalisations against an ethnic group based on so-called ethnic traits is racist. It is or it isn't, there's no such thing as slightly racist.

Leaving the original post aside:

"its their atitude that annoys me most" - that's a racist statement as defined above.

BoroandProud Posted on 1/8 16:18
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Who cares? Get off your high horse man. Middlesbrough is going right down the pan, surely you must see it?

fishface101 Posted on 1/8 16:19
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your talking sense there smifter

Marlon_D Posted on 1/8 16:20
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neil FFS you've contradicted yourself again !!!

You are the one generalising everybody on this thread who has basically stated that they are now sick of "reverse racism" as a racist.

boro_rock Posted on 1/8 16:22
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Hope you find him, see how he likes it if you go upto one of his wives and say 'You stupid pakistani cow' whilst slapping her.

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BoroandProud Posted on 1/8 16:25
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Do you think he'd be swayed a little if his missus, or a relative of his took a few slaps, or worse, from one of 'them?' Of course not, that would be racist would it not?
I suppose the same could happen with an white English lad, but it sticks in the craw a bit when some of 'them' shouldn't even be here in the first place, and 'they're' taking the piss out of our country. 'They're' getting a free reign to do what the hell they like in my eyes.

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parmos_r_us Posted on 1/8 16:25
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Neil - You have a very 2D perspective of a discussion. They (discussions) easily stray into related topics. The fact that a racist insult was included in the original post means that it was almost inevitable that racism would be discussed.

The fact that racism was discussed does not mean that those who discussed it are racist. And neither does using the term us, them etc.

You are overreacting to some comments that may have been made which are racist and tarring everyone else in the debate with the same brush if they do not agree 100% with you.

boro_rock Posted on 1/8 16:29
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its one rule for them, another for us

neiltrodden Posted on 1/8 16:34
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Right marlon and parmo, I'll spell out exactly what I am on about.

1> The thread started about 1 person who is asian. (sorry, I'm not allowed to mention the first thread anymore am I as we have moved on??)

2> People then went on to state that the guy would cry wolf or play the racist card if it was the other way around. This is based on him being asian - generalisation.

3> The rest of the thread is people moving on to comments about asians as a group - generalisation.

It's generalisations based on someone being from a particular ethnic group I take offense at. It's surely not that hard to follow, is it?

boro74 Posted on 1/8 16:34
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I think too much is made of the rascist angle. Assault is criminal and should dealt with accordingly. I don't think it should matter if its between black and white, white and black, two whites or two blacks. The offence is the same to me.

fishface101 Posted on 1/8 16:36
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Right if borodavey catches up with this guy and gives him what he deserves not because of his nationality skin colour religion but simply because of the fact of what he did to his girlfriend

borodavey then gets arrested

what do you think he would get charged with

bear in mind this guy isnt going to say oh he hit me cos i slapped his girlfriend one night for my bad driving

i'll let you use your own imagination what this guy says to the police

BoroandProud Posted on 1/8 16:37
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Do you not think that there are certain 'no-go' areas sprouting up in Middlesbrough recently, which happen to be populated by ethnic groups? I just don't think it's right at all. Before long we'll be joining Leeds, Bradford, Oldham, Burnley, Leicester etc etc

Trotsky4u Posted on 1/8 16:38
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with attitudes like some displayed here it's no surprise that football is still a predominatly white sport

thesonofgod Posted on 1/8 16:38
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are there any countries where a mixed culture is succeeding?

Smifter Posted on 1/8 16:39
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Boro74 you are right that assault is an assault, but this guy called it a "stupid english cow", which makes it a racial assault, which I believe is treat harsher by the police.

parmos_r_us Posted on 1/8 16:46
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1> The thread started about 1 person who is asian. (sorry, I'm not allowed to mention the first thread anymore am I as we have moved on??)

Course you can, nobody has stopped you. I have only mentioned that other points have been made, as is the general way a discussion works where there is free speech.

2> People then went on to state that the guy would cry wolf or play the racist card if it was the other way around. This is based on him being asian - generalisation.

Like i said earlier, if people have said this they are speculating which is wrong. But people have gone on to say that crying wolf does happen, and i agree.

3> The rest of the thread is people moving on to comments about asians as a group - generalisation.

I may have said that asians can easily play the race card and often do, but by no means did i say they all do or would. I am aware that everyone is an individual and make their own decisions.

I can only speak for myself here.

boro74 Posted on 1/8 16:59
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I don't think the "stupid english cow" should make it any different. Is that any different to cockney(just for examples sake!) calling somebody a scouse ***, a geordie '''' or a smoggie *******?
The assault is a serious crime and should be punished as such.

towz Posted on 1/8 17:03
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Thesonofgod, theres this placed called Lebannon where a population of roughly half and half Muslims and Christians used to get on quite well...

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Smifter Posted on 1/8 17:03
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See as a female, I would find that a lot more offensive than someone just hitted me, but I suppose thats just me. The point I am going to make, if the media got hold of this, there would be absolute hell on if this was the other way round.

parmos_r_us Posted on 1/8 17:03
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boro74

I think that the racist comment will make it more serious. Racism is taken more seriously by the police because its such a sensitive area and failure to act will have accusations flying around.

So a racist crime will probably have more man hours allocated to it.

neiltrodden Posted on 1/8 17:07
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Smifter, it's just occurred to me that the media thing would be the opposite. In the media at the moment, there's a huge anti-political-correctness agenda. I'd guess this story would make a bigger splash than if it was a white on black attack.

Bukowski_MFC Posted on 1/8 17:08
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borodavey - I also suggest you go to the Gazette.

Let's name and shame the cowardly b'stard who attacked your girlfriend.

Make him pay.

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Smifter Posted on 1/8 17:10
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Actually Neil you may be right, especially if the mail got hold of it.

parmos_r_us Posted on 1/8 17:11
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The Mail would have a field day with this one.

parmos_r_us Posted on 1/8 17:12
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Damn you smifter, too quick

Smifter Posted on 1/8 17:14
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Parmos

neiltrodden Posted on 1/8 17:17
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"you may be right" - pah! When you're as arrogant and stubborn as me, you are always right. What shall we argue about tomorrow?

Is there a God?
Religion is Evil?

..I sometimes wonder why I get involved, maybe it's the fun of the scrap.

Smifter Posted on 1/8 17:20
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Thats the spirit Neil

stump_hole_lover Posted on 1/8 17:21
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B+llocks Neiltrodeen! The media would ignore it. During the last election there was a whiye boy kicked to death in Oldham by a large group of asian youths on his way home from a night out. The media coverage amounted to one paragraph in one daily newspaper. Compare that to the steven lawrence affair or any other white on black assault.

thesonofgod Posted on 1/8 17:21
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Towz are you trying to be a funny all i asked was is there a place where different cultures get on, there is no need to reply like you are speaking to a little kid.........

craig_pancrack Posted on 1/8 17:23
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All races blessed with humanity and all flawed by human nature. The potential for far right or extremist thicko attitudes to explode requires careful handling in sorting out the problem. The USA and it's ignorant, ham-fisted approach to the arab world is a fine example to prove my point. I hope the taxi man gets done for it.

neiltrodden Posted on 1/8 17:23
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Neiltrodeen, I might change my name to that. Sounds cool.

stump_hole_lover Posted on 1/8 17:25
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Pedantic Neil.

Cobain_94 Posted on 1/8 17:26
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"with attitudes like some displayed here it's no surprise that football is still a predominatly white sport"

All people are saying is that immigrants should respect our laws and be treat equally, not given preference because they are immigrants. Get off your PC high horse.

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BoroandProud Posted on 1/8 17:49
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I can't be racist, i hate everybody :)

Cobain_94 Posted on 1/8 17:50
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I used to run the 100 metres in 15 seconds, that's crap. I am racist.

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craig_pancrack Posted on 1/8 17:54
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Boroand proud - hating everybody makes you 'misanthropic' but i bet yer not really, you big teddy bear.

MontTeettyBlanc Posted on 1/8 18:01
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Okay, so this blatantly-not-racist-in-no-shape-or-form thread has managed to establish that no-one here is in any way racist whatsoever.
Fine. I'll take your word for it.
But next those calling for violent retribution to be carried out against 'a biggish Asian bloke in a yellow car of some description' while condemning a violent assault on a defenceless woman, will be saying 'I'm not one to condone violence but...'
How does that work then?

the_righteous_one Posted on 1/8 18:05
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i remember going to a boro match at aryesome years ago and a mate of mine said "fooking hell the're even going to boro matches now" pointing to two asian lads walking to the ground, he went on "what the fook do they know about football they don't even have a team" at which point another lad with us said "yeah coz everytime they get a corner they would open a shop"
there's no doubting a vast majority of the younger asian living in this country see themselves as more british than pakastani and even rebel against their parents who want them to continue with their culture
having played cricket with and against asian over a period of twenty years i found most of them to be friendly, the one thing that did annoy me though was when they were in a conversation then all of a sudden start speaking in the mother tongue

borodavey Posted on 1/8 21:30
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I didnt expect this much of a response. thanks everyone for you thoughts.

The racist thing. it is racist what was said but society tends to not mind if directed at the majority which is wrong in my opinion.

I went to india last year and they are very nice people however almost stoneage in there views in regards to woman being oppressed. Im not saying all are like that here unfortunately some still are. its how they have been raised. That causes problems in society as many think unlike other asian races like japanese or chinese who are more likely to adopt our cultures indians or pakistanis dont.

An example a lad at my school was not allowed to join a football team cos white people do that and they didnt want him to mix. He bought a playstaion off one lad and his parent made him give it a way as its a white persons toy. I felt sorry for this guy. A few years later he got sent away to marry someone he never met. Also they tend to all live in the same area so not to intregate with others not of there culture. This sort of culture is not understood here and people tend not to like what they dont understand. Hence why indians/pakistanis are less accepted in british society thats any other race.

Bukowski_MFC Posted on 1/8 22:15
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MontTeettyBlanc - Anybody who goes around hitting and abusing a defenceless woman like that needs his comeuppance. End of.

Cobain_94 Posted on 1/8 22:17
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"But next those calling for violent retribution to be carried out against 'a biggish Asian bloke in a yellow car of some description' while condemning a violent assault on a defenceless woman, will be saying 'I'm not one to condone violence but...'
How does that work then?"

See this is what I'm talking about? I'd hope anyone of any colour or creed who hit a woman would get a good pasting, they'd deserve it, his race has nothing to do with it.

Why aren't you condeming the bloke for slapping a woman for nothing and racially abusing her while he was doing it? Is it because to show how liberal minded you are anything said by a guy of Asian origin is ok and anyone who disagrees is racist scum? You're almost as black and white as the right wing tabloids you hypocrite.

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DrBuck Posted on 2/8 0:04
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Strange one this isn't it?

Bloke has a spot of road rage and takes it out on Daves girl.

In the process of asaulting her he calls her a harmless name. The assault is serious the name calling isn't.

People then take it upon themselves to make up various immaginary scenarios so that they can spout their offensive views.

I doubt the bloke will be caught and dealt with in an appropriate manner though.

Bukowski_MFC Posted on 2/8 1:05
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Bukowski_MFC Posted on 2/8 1:06
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What imaginary scenarios? and what offensive views exactly?

Would you care to elaborate a little before insulting the people who've posted on this thread?

Complete hypocrite.

Mr_Maz Posted on 2/8 7:53
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a) call the cops and report it

b) Racism has got nothing to do with the colour of your skin, its about how stupid and ignorant you are

DrBuck Posted on 2/8 7:58
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Bukowski, read the original post and then read many of those that follow and you shall be enlightened.

Chutney Posted on 2/8 8:34
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"Before long we'll be joining Leeds"

What on earth does that mean, BoroandProud? Where are the ethnic no-go areas in Leeds then?

madlad Posted on 2/8 8:43
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Hello mate
Sorry to hear about your lass. That is not on at all.
I think the thread is getting sidetracked with a pointless debate about racism; the fact is your lass, in broad daylight, was attacked because he just thought he could. You can bet he would not have bothered had it been a fella, less likely still a big lad.
This is exactly what's wrong with Britain, yet nothing is done because it isn't "PC" to have a go at them.
There is far too much "PC" in this country - the simple fact is if you live here, you abide by the rules, regardless of colour.
I hope you find out who it was mate - I really do.

MontTeettyBlanc Posted on 2/8 12:11
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See this is what I'm talking about? I'd hope anyone of any colour or creed who hit a woman would get a good pasting, they'd deserve it, his race has nothing to do with it.

Why aren't you condeming the bloke for slapping a woman for nothing and racially abusing her while he was doing it? Is it because to show how liberal minded you are anything said by a guy of Asian origin is ok and anyone who disagrees is racist scum? You're almost as black and white as the right wing tabloids you hypocrite.

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Cobain: - at what point don't I acknowlege it was an attack on a defenceless woman?
- at what point do I say that "anything said by a guy of Asian origin is ok and anyone who disagrees is racist scum?"

The point I was making that you missed because you were presumably too busy labelling me a hypocrite is that there has been far too much pro-violent hypocrisy on here mainly from idiots like you.

You advocate giving this poor girl's attacker a pasting - fair do's - if I was her or her loved one I would probably feel that way too.

But why people like you rush you offer hollow sympathy to the victim and fake threats to the perpetrator I do not know.

Something to do with wanting to appear hard and a carefully nurtured inferiority complex probably.

Rightly attacking violence against a woman but then defending violence against a stranger (who happens to be asian) is pure hypocrisy.

If everyone followed your thinking and you kicked in this asian lads head, his family and friends would have grounds to kick your head, then your mates them and so on and so forth.

Where does that get us?

Bottom line is this woman should tell the police everything she can then stick to her guns and make sure it has every chance of going to court.

Then the nasty basted who hurt her will get what he deserves.

Cobain_94 Posted on 2/8 12:24
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"Something to do with wanting to appear hard and a carefully nurtured inferiority complex probably."

I have no desire to appear hard. Those that know me no that I'm am far from violent, because I am not violent it boils my p_iss to see something like this happen. Always makes me smile when I see someone start a fight in a pub for no reason and then end up coming out second best, these people deserve what they get, no decent person would start a fight over nothing.

So you're telling me if you walked past this incident in the street you'd just let it go because the poor bloke who's doing it (I can't believe you actually said that) might get his family to do you over?

Or more thne likely the guy will never see you again and get what's coming to him.

"Bottom line is this woman should tell the police everything she can then stick to her guns and make sure it has every chance of going to court."

The bloke will then be told by a soft liberal judge in court never to do it again and be given a £60 fine and 50 hours community service.

The fact that the guys Asian is neither here nor there btw, stop playing the racist card with comments like "he just happenes to be Asian".

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MontTeettyBlanc Posted on 2/8 12:41
re: middlesbrough gets worse

Unless you know for a fact that he attacked her because he was asian then he DOES just 'happen' to be asian and his violent behaviour (which I do think is totally out of order) has nothing to do with his race or ethicity.

If you spent less time misquoting me (at what point do I call the attacker a 'poor bloke'?) and more time opening your mind to other solutions to this problem and the wider 'us and them' one, you'd realise that I wasn't saying I wouldn't intervene if I witnessed the attack (although I'd maybe stop him from getting at her, ward him off, check to see if she's okay rather than my priority being to play the hero and give him a 'good pasting' - she's maybe seen enough male violence already don't you think?), I was actually saying that violence perpetuates violence that's all (nothing to do with personally fearing the attacker's family might do me in).

You've only got to look at the war going on at the minute to realise that retribution on whatever scale achieves nothing apart from swelling the egos of people who get off on the power trip of acting out their own prejudices.

Revol_Tees Posted on 2/8 13:13
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The original post is an awful story, but how did people end up talking about asians, immigrants and integration? I knew as soon as I read it on Monday night that the attack would be racialised and we'd end up with a 150+ replies. neiltrodden is spot on in everything he's said. The usual suspects whinging about "us" and "them" (code words for: white and non-whites) and reverse discrimination ... it's always the same on this board.

parmos_r_us Posted on 2/8 13:19
re: middlesbrough gets worse

Don't know why people are surprised that this discussion gone down the race route when in the first post the poster makes a point of saying the attacker was asian and said a racist comment.

Whatever you think about the opinions voiced, the conversation was always going to take that path.

Anyway, can we let this drop now? I think everything has been covered.

DrBuck Posted on 2/8 13:19
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Well said Revol.

madlad Posted on 2/8 13:20
re: middlesbrough gets worse

Yep...my thoughts exactly Revol.
It's neither here nor there whether he was asian, black, white...
If he has done something like that, to Davey's lass, unprovoked, then he gets and deserves whatever is coming his way, be it a kicking, a court appearance, or if divine retribution kicked in and he had it happen to him.
The behaviour he's displayed is nothing short of an animal.
No excuse, he deserves whatever comes his way, legal or not.

Cobain_94 Posted on 2/8 13:32
re: middlesbrough gets worse

monty apologies, I actually misread your post.

I don't have an us and them attitude, a scumbag is a scumbag no matter what the race colour or creed. What you suggest is the best solution to the problem. If you see my post on the war in the middle east you'll know I agree with this. This is assuming that you can keep a level head and be totally impartial on witnessing or hearing about a man slapping a woman, that's one thing I can never do because in my eyes people who do it are bullying scum.

Like I said before I'm not violent, the only time in my life I've ever thrown a punch is in my Kick Boxing gym. I've never been involved in a fight and always try and diffuse them but something like this would make the red mist descend.

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