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DrBuck Posted on 11/8 0:06
'Punk' bands that weren't..
or aren't really 'Punk' The Jam The Stranglers XTC Ian Dury Elvis Costello Any band after 1977 I suppose?

kazzaxxx Posted on 11/8 0:11
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kazzaxxx Posted on 11/8 0:12
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billy idol generation x

Table_Football Posted on 11/8 0:14
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Sex Pistols

DrBuck Posted on 11/8 0:15
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Explain that one Table!

Table_Football Posted on 11/8 0:17
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They were THE manufactured band of the era. I just feel like being controversial, that's all.

DrBuck Posted on 11/8 0:18
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I'm afraid that comming out with that hoary old chestnut you are being far from controversial.

fluteloop Posted on 11/8 0:20
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The Sex Pistols were shoite. FACT!

kazzaxxx Posted on 11/8 0:21
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sex pistols were punk

Table_Football Posted on 11/8 0:24
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They were hardly punk. Like Fruitloop said, they were just shoite.

kazzaxxx Posted on 11/8 0:27
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sham 69

DrBuck Posted on 11/8 0:29
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The Sex Pistols were punk personified regardless of whether you think they were any good or not.

Table_Football Posted on 11/8 0:30
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Swearing on television and having a heroin addict in your band are considered "punk" ? --- Post edited by Table_Football on 11/8 0:35 ---

fluteloop Posted on 11/8 0:32
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Black Flag, now there's a proper punk band.

DrBuck Posted on 11/8 0:32
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Oh grow up you fool.

Table_Football Posted on 11/8 0:33
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Minor Threat, another proper punk band.

DrBuck Posted on 11/8 0:34
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Now I know you are winding me up.

kazzaxxx Posted on 11/8 0:35
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sex pistols in my eyes were the first punk band

kazzaxxx Posted on 11/8 0:37
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who are black flag and minor threat? never heard of them

DrBuck Posted on 11/8 0:39
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Black Flag were a tedious, 'controversial' heavy rock band.

DrBuck Posted on 11/8 0:40
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Blondie Adam and the Ants

fluteloop Posted on 11/8 0:42
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Black Flag and Minor Threat were hugely influential hardcore bands from the states. How anyone can say Black Flag were tedious when they like the Sex Pistols is beyond me!

kazzaxxx Posted on 11/8 0:44
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the dammed they were punk wernt they

DrBuck Posted on 11/8 0:44
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The thread is about punk not hardcore, whatever that means, and it is not about whether you like them either.

fluteloop Posted on 11/8 0:44
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Yeah, they went a bit more gothic later on though a bit like the Misfits.

kazzaxxx Posted on 11/8 0:48
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i didnt like the sex pistols it was the music when i was in my teens

Table_Football Posted on 11/8 0:58
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Minor Threat and Black Flag were hardcore punk.

kazzaxxx Posted on 11/8 1:01
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what year were there songs as never heard of them

Table_Football Posted on 11/8 1:06
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Minor Threat were around from 1980 until 1983. But the members are still around in other bands now, like Fugazi, Bad Religion, Dag Nasty. Black Flag were around from 76 - 86. With various line up changes. Henry Rollins was the lead singer at some points, and was in The Rollins Band. Does spoken word gigs now.

craig_pancrack Posted on 11/8 8:11
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Contrary to popular belief, punk didnt die out when the rock garden closed... Hail the sound of the 80s underground CONFLICT ANTISECT DISCHARGE CRUCIFIX BLACK FLAG BAD BRAINS DOA HUSKER DU SCREAM GOVERNMENT ISSUE

Link: BAD BRAINS LIVE

red_rebel2 Posted on 11/8 8:15
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Generation X were punk. It would be hard to find a band who meet the criteria more. Them and the Banshees were the Bromley continget, the original gang of Pistols fans.

The_Commisar Posted on 11/8 8:20
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Husker Du, punk ? <cough> indie <cough>

craig_pancrack Posted on 11/8 8:23
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...and so surely the debate arises.."but is is art, i mean, punk?" ...a chaotic explosion of anger, politics, passion, humour by those who didnt want to get down and boogie to prog rock, disco and then 80s pop pap...and now surely for todays kids, pop idol et al. COMMISAR - Husker DU absolutely - listen to LAND SPEED RECORD, METAL CIRCUS, ZEN ARCADE then get back to me! --- Post edited by craig_pancrack on 11/8 8:24 ---

SouthernSmogette Posted on 11/8 8:48
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Pete and the test tube babies are clearly heads and shoulders above the lot..... Pick pick pick pick er nose......

DrBuck Posted on 11/8 8:52
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brilliant as Husker Du were they were not punk.

DrBuck Posted on 11/8 8:53
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Sorry, my mistake. That was the point of the thread wasn't it?

Boro_Lee88 Posted on 11/8 9:21
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T_F - Bad Religion, now theres a f**king band!

The_Lizards_Jumpers Posted on 11/8 9:23
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Although I wouldnt say that Minor Threat, Fugazi, Husker D, Black Flag etc are punk. They however bloody brilliant !

craig_pancrack Posted on 11/8 9:23
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if LAND SPEED RECORD isn't punk, god knows what is...

Boro_Lee88 Posted on 11/8 9:28
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I'd say Bad Religion were punk like. I love Bad Religion, I've wanted to see them for 5 years, they always seem to evade me. Same as Millencolin, wanted to see them for 5 years aswell, finally comes true @ Leeds this year!! Millencolin are american punk.

craig_pancrack Posted on 11/8 9:33
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if punk is spikey hair and safety pins let it rot. if punk is an attitude then viva! Dig the Flag from '81: uncompromisingly independent, individualist, anarchic and 100% committed. and funny.

Link: Young Rollins and Co.

borosown Posted on 11/8 11:22
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I'd say Sham 69 were punk. Tell us the truth album.`Hey little rich boy take a good look at me' Punk attitude type lyrics all the way though it. Jimmy Pursey was a bit of a dick like. The Damned started off punk, then went too gothy for me. Just thought I'd stick my oar in. --- Post edited by borosown on 11/8 12:31 ---

Trotsky4u Posted on 11/8 11:26
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Hoover the Pig weren't punk either

ourjonathan Posted on 11/8 11:34
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DrBuck - you say Adam and the Antz weren't punk. You obviously never saw them prior to signing to Decca and when they were doing gigs almost exclusively in London. I think anyone who did would say they were punk - clearly it all went horribly wrong and quickly, but...

borosown Posted on 11/8 11:35
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I agree Hoover the pig only had one classic type punk song. Empty. Boomtown Rats Skids Undertones......Not really punk.

Trotsky4u Posted on 11/8 11:43
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Who wrote Empty I wonder...

glippy Posted on 11/8 11:45
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Punk was an attitude, a reaction against the society of the time and mainly the tired, self indulgent music that had developed. It really only lasted for two or three years and after that became a fashion, exploited by the fashion and music industries. It did inspire lots of other bands and musicians and changed attitudes for ever but all those idiots walking round looking like Sid Vicious or with the over elaborate mohicans were just bandwagon jumpers. To say that the Sex Pistols were not a punk band is to not understand the phenomenon. They were the originals, and despite all the crap that came afterwards and over produced album they were the genuine article. I'll never forget the first time I heard God Save the Queen. Try reading Tony Parsons 'Stories We Could Tell' if you're too young to remember the electricty and excitement.

Trotsky4u Posted on 11/8 11:48
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John King's Human Punk is good too

RedWurzel Posted on 11/8 11:58
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In 1977 Punk was in vogue and alot of Art School Middle Class kids got involved, by 1980 they had gone into New Romantics and more hardcore punk was left, which was less popular with the mainstream and was more working class and less commercial. In 1977-80 the words punk and new wave were often inter mixed. Generally the softer side, some would say more articulate side of punk was called new wave, such as The Jam. Many New wave bands went very commercial to get sales, such as Adam and the Ants, even the Clash with Should I stay or should I go not really a Punk Song.

Funtime_Franckie Posted on 11/8 12:02
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Killjoys. Now that was a proper 3 minute pogo till you drop punk band!!!!

DrBuck Posted on 11/8 12:03
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ourjonathan, I travelled quite often to see Adam and The Ants previus to and following Dirk Wears White Sox, went off them completely after Kings of the Wild Frontier. They weren't punk.

craig_pancrack Posted on 11/8 12:21
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What people forget is that this was a youth movement made up of kids finding their way in the world. Rotten was only like 18/19 when the Pistols kicked off. Pretty amazing really. It was a different world back then, very trad and square especially in provincial towns like the Boro. Punk was radical in the extreme. By 79, the first wave including original pretenders like Vibrators, 999 etc who been around since pub rock days of the mid 70s was fading just as Britain was descending into social chaos under Thatcher. As the Clash combed their quiffs and pranced about in suits in America, there was an even greater need for punk in the UK. The music press didnt want to know apart form Sounds. The hardcore scene was underground and huge...there was some superb stuff to come out of it (Blitz,Discharge,AntiSect, Conflict, Subhumans, The Mob, Amebix as well as the American stuff) and there was also a ton of braindead snu-gliffin' clones such as Exploited etc. But nobody said it was perfect.

DrBuck Posted on 11/8 12:40
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Got to agree with Glippy, RedWurzel and Craig. The thing that inspired me to start this was a c.d. I saw called Punk! or something like that, which featured many of the bands mentioned above. Your average punter comes along and gets the impression that those bands represented that revolutionary period, whereas most of them were unoriginal bandwagon jumpers. By the way, I am not or ever have been a member of 'The Old Punk's Police'

borosown Posted on 11/8 12:49
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Dr Buck, I bought one of those so called punk CDS. Its got some classic type punk stuff on it like SLF,999,UPSTARTS. Then they must of been getting desperate because Dr Feelgood,Motors and talking heads are listed. No Spitting 60 classic punk tracks its called.

craig_pancrack Posted on 11/8 12:56
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Dr Buck - cds like "The Best punk album in the world ever" sell in Asda for like 3 quid and are for middle aged dads who like to pogo like they used to but never really did ! If i mention punk in the 80s, people havent a clue they think green hair, gobbing, sid n nancy and safety pins...after the Oi/Exploited gluebag phas 80-83, it got pretty sussed in the UK and faded away by the late 80s.

YoungSoulRebel Posted on 11/8 12:58
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Good thread..like the debate about what is or is not 'punk'. I'm with pancrack and others - its an attitude - and is by definition something that cannot be fixed. This is why some bands can be seen as punk - and then appear not to be. That's the point - things, people, bands - change. When Weller chose not to sue The Sex Pistols over 'Holidays in the Sun' (blatant steal of riff from 'In the City')becasue that was not in the spirit of punk - was he or The Jam punk?

DrBuck Posted on 11/8 12:59
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As I remember it punk was a label invented by the media (surprise!) and true punks didn't like to be called punks.

craig_pancrack Posted on 11/8 13:11
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Dr - yes i agree, how many of the original punk bands had spikey hair etc...those bands rebelled against the tabloid stereotype from the off. Punk was a convenient term for a common vibe...hiphop served the same purpose for the black kids in the ghettoes and fifty cent etc is the commercially exploited end product of that.

borosown Posted on 11/8 13:17
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Excuse me Craig, hope your not calling me a middle aged dad who bought his CD from ASDA for �3,likes to pogo like he never used to. I bought it from Makro and it was �9.99.

Tillerman93 Posted on 11/8 13:29
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The idea of punk can be whatever you want it to be! This interview with a man who was there from the start clears up alot.

Link: The history of punk origins

DrBuck Posted on 11/8 13:37
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Once upon a time it wasn't so easy to pick up punk records and you couldn't hear them on the radio or anywhere else. Exception being John Peels show. hard to imagine these days

craig_pancrack Posted on 11/8 13:47
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Paul - you were another punk ripped off by the system! John Peel was a lifeline as was Fearnleys big listing of punk 7"ers above the counter. Don Letts recent film 'Punk Attitude' is very good but is a bit too US focussed and misses the whole UK Thatcher preiod anarcho-movement probably cos he was posing with the Clash in America...bah!

ourjonathan Posted on 11/8 13:51
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What about the American original - it's where the 'Punk' tag came from - MC5, New York Dolls, Velvet Undeerground - were they punk?

craig_pancrack Posted on 11/8 13:59
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Not disputing that. And the Stooges. Raw Power is punk as far i am concerned. Where would The NYDolls and the Pistols have been without that?

DrBuck Posted on 11/8 14:05
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in actual fact the term 'punk' referred to the many hundreds of American garage bands that sprung up in the wake of the first british invasion, and took their cue from bands such as the yardbirds, pretty things, them, etc. A very good c.d. has recently been released covering this period called Nuggets. I recommend it most highly.

Trotsky4u Posted on 11/8 14:15
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I thought punk came from US prison slang for someone who took it up the arse, and was adopted by US underground bands in the 60's then resurfacing in the 70's

red_rebel2 Posted on 11/8 14:20
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Yeah, Nuggets is good but it isn't 'punk' as we know it. It is more pyschedlic garage bands and grungy r+b. The Velvets, MC5 and Dolls we'rent punk either. The Velvets were avante garde arty types maybe equivilent to Pink Floyd, the MC5 were radical hippy metalists and the Dolls heavy glam. The US punk scene revolved around the bohemian fring at CBGBs, quite arty type bands like Television, Richard Hell and the Voidiods, Dead Boys, the Electric Chairs - plus a few poppy bands like Blondie and the cartoon brilliance of the Ramones.

Table_Football Posted on 11/8 14:22
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Was GG Allin considered punk? Or just a fool?

craig_pancrack Posted on 11/8 14:43
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Trotsk - the prison slang punk definition is featured in Don Letts film or maybe the Ramones film. Punk as in Punk Rock naturally gets blurred at the edges like the Teesside/Cleveland vs Yorkshire argument(no not again!)the borders fall somewhere and are debated until eternity!

DrBuck Posted on 11/8 15:01
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red, I'm just trying to explain where the term punks origins in reference to music came from. It was a derogatory term and not a name to be proud of. Lenny kayes liner notes to the Nuggets c.d. explain it better, but i don't have them at hand.

glippy Posted on 11/8 15:19
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Looking at the History of Punk Link, Marco Pirroni hasn't worn very well. Makes me feel young and healthy. Incidentally, I was in a band at the time. We got a phone call offering a support slot at the Rock Garden, supporting Adam Ant (when they were still cool). We'd already agreed to play at a club in Seaham Colliery where a young lad was starting up a New Wave night, so we turned it down. There's integrity for you. (The night at Seaham was a predictable disaster). --- Post edited by glippy on 11/8 15:21 ---

RedWurzel Posted on 11/8 16:51
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Anyone listen to Radio Luxemburg on a Sundaty at 5pm for their Punk hour in 1977. Only radio station to play Punk non stop for 60 minutes. Peel played some between 10 and midnight, but you might have to listen to Viv Stansall whittering on for 40 minutes as well. Peel would play a tape sent to him by some spotty 16 year olds who had recorded in a garage say Peel's greatest song of all times....Teenage Kicks by the Undertones

craig_pancrack Posted on 11/8 17:57
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Red W - i remember it, it was called 'Street Heat'

borobadge Posted on 11/8 19:44
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Country BlueGrass and Blues.. Max's Kansas City was another great venue for "roots" music in the u.s.of a. we were having these conversations with the Teesside Art School kids in 1978........ "punk" to me ('cos its different to every individual)was about questioning systems and breaking down barriers..hence you could have "punk" music..."punk" photography.."punk" art..."punk" dancing..."punk" sex..."punk" fashions...."punk" politics...."punk" film..."punk" furniture and "punk" ideology.. in other words...CULTURE.... but think about what you are doing and saying..dont just do it...dont follow a crowd..or be clever and wise in a mob....start to think for yourself....now nothing could be more "punk" than that.....

DrBuck Posted on 11/8 21:42
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The Skids The Undertones Eddie and the Hot Rods 999 The Vibrators The police!!!

Rocky_Rhythm Posted on 11/8 21:49
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Think you're flogging a dead horse now Dr. Punk was for those that were there, it was a feeling, an attitude and a time and a place. No more And it was great

craig_pancrack Posted on 11/8 23:36
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Rocky man its for all time, come on, no sell out, reject the straight world mainstream of consumerist brain numbing trash culture keep it real !