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PapaJohn Posted on 11/8 8:46
Man U - Goalkeepers - DODGY SITUATION

At the start of the next prem season 3 Man U goal keepers will be playing for 3 different prem teams.

Foster at Watford
Howard at Everton
Van Saar and Man U.

This appears to be a very unhealthy situation, there are 6 games between these clubs and it will be very interesting to analyse the goalkeeping performances.

I am not saying there is anything dodgy going on, but it is very easy as a goalie to 'miss' or 'drop' a cross/shot etc.

I just think the whole situation smacks of conflicts of interest, there are millions of pounds gambled on prem results and a situation such as this raises some very interesting worries.

Football will be like formula one soon with goalies letting one in to help 'their' team.

Goalkeeper loans should be prevented to teams in the same league.

Or is our game becoming 'Italianised'

Lincoln_Exile Posted on 11/8 8:49
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I thought loan players couldn't play against their own clubs?

PapaJohn Posted on 11/8 8:51
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I dont think its a RULE to not play against your own clubs, I think its included as part of the loan deal by the 'owning' club.

ie Zenden could not play against Chelsea.

hells_bells83 Posted on 11/8 8:51
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Doesn't it depend on whether its written into the deal or not.

the_broken_fridge Posted on 11/8 8:58
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wasn't trebor lua lua on loan at portsmouth? I am sure he played against necastle and may even have scored.

Boromart Posted on 11/8 9:01
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he was and he did and it cost Newcastle points in the league.

urko69 Posted on 11/8 9:22
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At the start of the next prem season 3 Man U goal keepers will be playing for 3 different prem teams.

Foster at Watford
Howard at Everton
Van Saar and Man U.

This appears to be a very unhealthy situation, there are 6 games between these clubs and it will be very interesting to analyse the goalkeeping performances.

I am not saying there is anything dodgy going on, but it is very easy as a goalie to 'miss' or 'drop' a cross/shot etc.

I just think the whole situation smacks of conflicts of interest, there are millions of pounds gambled on prem results and a situation such as this raises some very interesting worries.

Football will be like formula one soon with goalies letting one in to help 'their' team.

Goalkeeper loans should be prevented to teams in the same league.

Or is our game becoming 'Italianised'


IDIOT!

newholgate Posted on 11/8 9:23
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What's your point urko69?

the_broken_fridge Posted on 11/8 9:23
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what a reasoned response that was.

vanbasten8276 Posted on 11/8 9:28
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I don't think there will will be anything corrupt going on, but my worry would be the likes of Howard are leaving themselves open to accusations!!

For example if Howard has a nightmare against United (and lets be honest, with Tim, thats more than possible!!!) Everton fans may accuse him of playing badly on purpose!!

It would be easier all round if there was a rule whereby loan players cannot play against their main club, regardless of whether it is written into the deal or not!!

urko69 Posted on 11/8 9:40
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MY POINT IS THAT TO EVEN THINK THAT THIS COULD HAPPEN SHOWS THE AUTHOR UP TO BE AN IDIOT.
IS THIS A CASE OF BEING MORE OBSESSED WITH UNITED THAN YOUR OWN IMPENDING RELEGATION BATTLE?
AND ANYWAY THE FORTHCOMING 18 POINTS WOULD BE MOST WELCOME!

Capybara Posted on 11/8 9:43
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Nope. No wiser as to your point.

(shouting doesn't help, you know)

boroboymike Posted on 11/8 9:45
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it USED to be left to the clubs' discretion, but they changed the law and it is now illegal for a loan player to play against his owners. Am pretty sure that applies to keepers too. Did Kirkland play v Liverpool?

PapaJohn Posted on 11/8 9:48
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The response of an idiot - man u should be deducted 18 points for bring the game into disrepute.

Seriously, can anyone confirm there is a Prem League ruling on loan players not playing against 'their' club?

thanks

urko69 Posted on 11/8 9:51
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Apologies for that,caps lock stuck on.
Point is i dont beleive that this could be allowed to happen as i am sure they have changed the law with regards to loan players lining up against there own clubs.
Grobelaar excluded i also think our game is 99%honest

urko69 Posted on 11/8 9:54
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The response of an idiot - man u should be deducted 18 points for bring the game into disrepute.

PAPAJOHN, humour is obviously not your strongest point.

newholgate Posted on 11/8 9:58
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urko69, I think your response showed you to be more of an idiot. PapaJohn made a well-put, valid point. I also know for a fact he cares more about Boro's season than Man U's, but as a 'football fan' as well as a Boro fan, he is entitled to make a valid point about another team.

You could learn a thing or too from PapaJohn about how to put your point across, because you do it very badly.

PapaJohn Posted on 11/8 10:12
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I am having a look now at the prem league rules to see if i can confirm the rules of loan players.

Your support is appreciated New Holgate.

I for one will be certainly formally complaining to the Prem League about this conflict on interest. Be interesting to see Howard playing for Everton against Man U in a game which is 'pivotol' to say perhaps getting a UEFA place or a Chumps League place, "Howard brings down Rooney 2 mins to go with Man U looking like they missing out on CL place"!! added for the benefit of our man u poster!!

newholgate Posted on 11/8 10:14
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Checked the FA rules this morning PapaJohn and couldn't find anything there. Premier League may have something though. Keep us informed.

PapaJohn Posted on 11/8 10:22
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Prem League Rules - Section M 7.2

Says "during the period of the temporary transfer of his contract registration a Player shall not play against the Transferor Club".

This means I think that Howard and Foster will not play against Man U.

newholgate Posted on 11/8 10:26
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I agree.

If that rule was in force at the time, I wonder how Lua Lua ended up playing for Portsmouth against Newcastle.

Capybara Posted on 11/8 10:27
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So, in theory, the richer clubs could buy three or four of the best 'keepers each, then loan them out to the other clubs and ensure that when they play them they are up against goalkeepers who have played most of the season in the reserves.

--- Post edited by Capybara on 11/8 10:38 ---

newholgate Posted on 11/8 10:28
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Oh, good point Capy!

PapaJohn Posted on 11/8 10:30
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Capy - I think its a NEW rule, maybe only this or last season was it implemented.

chris_white_22 Posted on 11/8 10:37
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Although the keeper's can't play against their "own" club, there's nothing stopping them helping their team along a bit in other ways.

If a keeper is playing for a team that is doing well, they could potential drop one in the net, say...I think it's true that playing same division could be dodgy.

newholgate Posted on 11/8 10:40
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I feel much better now that Jones has gone on loan to a lower league club.

PapaJohn Posted on 11/8 10:43
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I agree Chris the more you think about it the dafter the rule is.

Taking Capys point forward, it could mean that Watfords 2nd or 3rd game of the season against Man U - 42 year old Alec Chamberlain could be in goal, he played about 3 games last season! Watford are fielding a weaker team because of loan rules in place.

Suppose it will ensure that Man U will always finish above Everton and Watford. Guess the same applies to Chelsea.

Is the prem league a real and valid competition?

grantus Posted on 11/8 11:11
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Clubs should be limited in the number of players in the first team squad. Any other players at the club should be under 18.

This could help level the playing field, increase quality across the league, better players would be playing in the lower leagues, worse players would have to find other professions and it would help to develop[ youngsters.

Just I thought, I just had then.

urko69 Posted on 11/8 14:24
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I for one will be certainly formally complaining to the Prem League about this conflict on interest. Be interesting to see Howard playing for Everton against Man U in a game which is 'pivotol' to say perhaps getting a UEFA place or a Chumps League placIs the prem league a real and valid competitione, "Howard brings down Rooney 2 mins to go with Man U looking like they missing out on CL place"!! added for the beIs the prem league a real and valid competition?



I agree Chris the more you think about it the dafter the rule is.

Taking Capys point forward, it could mean that Watfords 2nd or 3rd game of the season against Man U - 42 year old Alec Chamberlain could be in goal, he played about 3 games last season! Watford are fielding a weaker team because of loan rules in place.

Suppose it will ensure that Man U will always finish above Everton and Watford. Guess the same applies to Chelsea.

Is the prem league a real and valid competition?


Jesus Christ get a grip man.

newholgate Posted on 11/8 14:33
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urko69, if you have such a problem with what PapaJohn has to say, why bother reading his thread?

Moody41 Posted on 11/8 14:45
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The clubs who loaned the players are fully aware of the rule that they can't play against the club they've been loaned from. (The ruling came in for the 2005/06 season). So it's up to them to ensure they've got a decent back-up. And lets face it any premier league team nowadays should have a capable back-up (Que Jones comments).

urko69 Posted on 11/8 15:00
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NEWHOLGATE i read and responded to this thread because its about my team.I am trying to defend the honour of my teams players as you would if someone cast aspersions about your team.
I hope i have managed to get my point across well enough for you to understand it.

PapaJohn Posted on 11/8 15:14
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I still reckon Rooney and Scholes should be banned for 3 games following their reckless challenges on fellow professionals in the Ajax tournament.

Its one rule for Man U and one rule for others, not only are they controlling the prem league goalkeepers to ensure results are in their favour, they have players like Rooney and Scoles who appear to be above the laws of football!

urko69 Posted on 11/8 15:18
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Very nearly PAPAJOHN very, very nearly

Shaun71 Posted on 11/8 15:20
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The rule only came into force last season.

It was Urko at the meeting last night then afterall, mystery solved!

urko69 Posted on 11/8 15:45
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eh!

PapaJohn Posted on 11/8 16:07
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I think we can close this post down now.
We have established the rules, loan players dont play against their 'owning' club.

Man U control the goalkeepers in 3 teams in the prem and are now appealing against the sendings off in Ajax.

Rooney also dropped from the England Squad - app he is available for selection, seems very strange.

All is not well at the TODs.

urko69 Posted on 11/8 16:16
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All is not well at the TODs






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PapaJohn Posted on 21/3 15:01
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Just found this post and we have a FA CUP semi final being played between Watford and Man U.

Watfords best player is OWNED by MANU, loaned to Watford and will not play in the Semi.

ManU already had more chance to win the game now they have even more.

The loan rules need looking at.

It used to be 3 month loan max!

Football is becoming like Grand Prix racing.

Vinny_Garstroke Posted on 21/3 15:02
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papaJohn, so who in football is the token black driver?

trodbitch Posted on 21/3 15:04
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"ManU already had more chance to win the game now they have even more."

How the fook do you work that out?

If man u win, could it not be because the are playing the bottom club in teh premiership?

And can I remind you of Foster spilling that weak shot against spurs on the weekend and conceding a goal from the opposite teams keeper? Remember that when you decide that any goal he concedes is clearly because of some conspiracy plot.

PapaJohn Posted on 21/3 15:04
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Gary Hamilton

killlovesphirsty Posted on 21/3 15:05
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by the way howard no longer belongs to united!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PapaJohn Posted on 21/3 15:16
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This is a very old post.
Just thought it apt with the semis coming up.

Towell Posted on 21/3 15:28
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Foster is eligable to play but Bothroyd has said he won't play him as he doesn't want to put him in that position.

RedRobbo85 Posted on 21/3 15:28
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Foster cannot play, loan terms.

hughiep Posted on 21/3 15:29
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Thought Everton had bought Howard.

BoroFur Posted on 21/3 18:52
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You're right Hughiep. Howard has now signed permanently for Everton. There were no fanfares.

newholgate Posted on 21/3 19:12
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READ THE DATE when you look at a thread. This one was from 11th August, BEFORE Howard signed for Everton!

BoroFur Posted on 21/3 19:33
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Newholgate, comments are valid regardless of the date. Howard has signed for Everton permanently. Why people insist on resurrecting 7 month old threads to make a point is beyond me. Just create a new one.