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Jeff_Lebowski22 Posted on 31/8 23:32
'Woody' is NOT welcome

Not by me anyway. I thought Id post my reply to another poster as a new topic, as I feel we are forgetting what this guy was like when he was around middlesbrough, not to mention the 'affray' he was convicted of, while his friend got 6 years for assault.....

Welcome home indeed Johnny...so tell me are you still into beating up asians outside nightclubs, or is that a thing of the past? Oh, and while were on the subject, hows your mate doing that took all the blame and got 6 years for that particular assualt? Send my regards to him. You were a real friend to him. I do believe you got some community service and (probably) a slap on the wrist, for that little skirmish. if i reacall, it was 5 on one, and you and your friends beat him to within an inch of his life, correct?

I DO NOT welcome 'woody', as you fondly call him, home. My only hope is he flies back to spain as soon as the seasons finished.

'he comes across as a top bloke'...

mmm... oh, look what i found.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/racism/Story/0,,619707,00.html

Its frankly a joke that anyone would welcome someone like that back to our football club.....


your thoughts??

Towell Posted on 31/8 23:33
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Errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr proper norrrrr and that ya fookin meff.

ohtheway Posted on 31/8 23:33
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Your a coont.

Stepper_T Posted on 31/8 23:33
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FuckOffCunt

Mattyk50 Posted on 31/8 23:34
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"if i recall, it was 5 on one, and you and your friends beat him to within an inch of his life, correct?"

Nope, not correct.

OPEO Posted on 31/8 23:34
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I think your a bitter twisted envious tw at.

ohtheway Posted on 31/8 23:34
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self righteous littlecunt

Spoff_MFC Posted on 31/8 23:34
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"still into beating up asians outside nightclubs"

Why comment on the region the victim was from?

There is no proof Woodgate is racist - he made a mistake, was punished time to move on.

Would you be this unhappy if we signed Terry. He has been naughty in the past too.

You are entitled to your opinion, but if that is yours you're a misguided human.

TheMallardQuacked Posted on 31/8 23:34
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Aye, enough of the melodrama you great wilf!

Otley_Boro_Fan Posted on 31/8 23:35
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I must admit, I did wonder why this topic had not come up earlier.

I remember, at the time of this incident, he wasn't exactly a hero on this board ..... to put it mildly.

Rondo_1 Posted on 31/8 23:35
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He's been to court and is free to do what he likes.

kermit_the_smog Posted on 31/8 23:35
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get off yer high horse, it was years ago, give the guy a break!!

Terry has done similiar things, he's now Englands captain and i bet you love him!

GET BEHIND THE LAD FOR FCKS SAKE!!

A Boro lad coming from Real Madrid and stating he's delighted to be at his home town and favourite club and here's people telling him to fck off back to Madrid. Honest!

Give yer 'ed a shake

Bobby_Mington Posted on 31/8 23:35
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Yes he fookin is welcome

redz69 Posted on 31/8 23:35
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Jonny Woodgate is a red
is a red
Jonny Woodgate is a red
he hates Geordies
hates geordies and he hates geordies

Cheeses_Christ Posted on 31/8 23:36
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As someone who has witnessed his billy big boll ox antics around town, I tend to agree with you


SAdly, I think you'll be shouted down by others on this board



see^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

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borodavey Posted on 31/8 23:37
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he was a young lad and made a mistake, although i can never condone such behaviour he is older now and grew up since then. I have heard some stories and an old mate of mine knew him well and he did have an arrogance about him, but what young footballer doesnt now. Like i say he has grew up since then. Give the lad a chance, he is a top player and thats the most important thing

Stepper_T Posted on 31/8 23:40
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Who hasnt acted like a dick and done things they regret?

Stepper_T Posted on 31/8 23:40
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Who hasnt acted like a dick and done things they regret?

sasboro Posted on 31/8 23:42
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all his boro mates are vvankers as i have seen them in action. no doubt they will all be going around town hanging onto woodgate thinking they own the town. i just hope woodgate keeps away from them and doesnt go into boro on a night out.

ohtheway Posted on 31/8 23:43
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Take steppers word on this he always regrets it when he acts like a dick, which is often

swordtrombonefish Posted on 31/8 23:43
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Another Wendy.

Stepper_T Posted on 31/8 23:44
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uptheboro79 Posted on 31/8 23:45
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Woody is not welcome....Looks to me like he is to me. Not many people sharing your point of view is there?
WELCOME HOME WOODY.

derrickd Posted on 31/8 23:45
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Posted this on Anthony Vickers' site in response to a lad there.
Can't be arsed changing it to address you in particular Jeff but here you go...

With reference to Sunny's post, I believe the issue you raise is more pertinent without the question of racism.

Woodgate has come out and said he is not racist. The courts did not believe that the attack was racially motivated. Why do you then believe it necessary to describe the lad who was attacked as 'asian' as well as feel his signing is a slur against the asian community?

With regards to the attack, Woodgate has also said that he was sorry for his part in the incidents of the past.

Surely everyone makes mistakes and to question the club for attempting to continue the rehabilitation of players is quite narrow-minded and short-sighted.

Woodgate is a good player who has made mistakes - he's admitted them and learnt from them, he is definitely not a racist.

Get behind the club and especially the player because afterall, he is one of us.

borobuddah Posted on 31/8 23:47
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He could front up our "Kick racism out" campaign, suffer a little ridicule, and then get on with holding his head up.

Doesn't Big Ron know a good re-hab programme?

uptheboro79 Posted on 31/8 23:48
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If I recall the judge involved quite clearly stated in his summary that the incident was NOT racially motivated.

ThePrisoner Posted on 31/8 23:50
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"Woodgate has come out and said he is not racist. The courts did not believe that the attack was racially motivated."

So he'll beat you up whatever the shade of your skin? That's big of him.

boro_newjersey Posted on 31/8 23:53
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Like Otley Boro Fan, I am very surprised that this didn't come up earlier.

Honestly though, I'm a bit put out that someone who mentioned the published truth about our new signing's past was treated with such open disdain. This is a forum where we discuss stuff, right?

The fact that he is (a) gifted or (b) a local doesn't get him off what he did. And don't come the "he served his sentence" etc as "allegedly", someone else took the rap for him.

Personally, I feel uncomfortable about Woodgate as a person but I think its time to move on.

That said, I am not surprised that others feel so strongly about it that they are prepared to post stuff like Lebowski did.

That's what the board's for. You're all free to disagree with him for saying it, but some of the comments on here go beyond allegiance to a football team and some of you lads should be shaking your heads, too.

Unless you think it was ok to do what he did, in which case you don't deserve the time of day anyway, really do you?

twe12th_man Posted on 31/8 23:53
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If he manages to keep fit, we'll have the best, maybe most obnoxious, defender in the league. So he's been a bit naughty, what does that matter if he's a Boro player? Talk is that his mate took the time for him, well his mate shouldn't have been there in the first place! He's one of our scally's, and if he's taking the 'p', then hopefully he won't get off as lightly around town as he did before.

Anyway, tongue in cheek over, has Huth signed yet?

Jimmy_Boy Posted on 31/8 23:54
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It was 6 years ago, when he was a young lad. If you or one of your relatives had made a comparable mistake under the influence of alcohol surely you would want to serve your punishment and be allowed to continue with your life.

Since that nasty incident he's kept out of trouble, apart from being attacked in Boro.

No one will ever know the true story of what actually happened that night apart from those involved and those who saw everything that happend and what was said.

The courts decided that they were in the wrong but that someone else was mainly responsible and he received a jail term, and i think the family of the lad(s) attacked took civil action in the courts also.

His actions and behaviour since then should be a yard stick to measure him by, although i do agree that some may feel his character is tainted by what happend.

I dont know the lad, I've nver met him, i don't condone racist behaviour - but i think everyone deserves a second chance.

ThePrisoner Posted on 31/8 23:58
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"It was 6 years ago, when he was a young lad"

He was twenty, not 13 FFS.

"No one will ever know the true story of what actually happened that night apart from those involved and those who saw everything that happend and what was said."

That's true because they all lied there fcuking heads off under oath at the trial.

"Since that nasty incident he's kept out of trouble, apart from being attacked in Boro."

And I suspect it won't take much longer for that to happen again.

derrickd Posted on 31/8 23:59
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"So he'll beat you up whatever the shade of your skin? That's big of him."

The post highlighted that it was a reply to someone posting and focussing on the alledged racism issue. What I hope my post goes some way to conveying is that racism was not an issue.

Prisoner, I believe (and hope) he's learnt from past mistakes and won't be beating any up.

derrickd Posted on 1/9 0:03
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"And I suspect it won't take much longer for that to happen again."

I hope he proves you wrong Prisoner. As you infer though, only time will tell.

Jimmy_Boy Posted on 1/9 0:05
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Prisoner - "That's true because they all lied there fcuking heads off under oath at the trial"

How do you know? Were you there? Did you see the incident or are you judging someone from press reports.

What i am saying is he was young, ok 20, but thats still young. Old enough to know better, granted, but the courts that we are all judged by decided it wasn't a racial incident and he received a punishment which he served.

If on your way to work tomorrow in your car, god forbid, you have an accident and someone you hit gets seriously hurt and you are charged and serve a punishment, i think you would like to be able to get on with your life and prove it was a mistake that you've learned from.

sasboro Posted on 1/9 0:06
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for last 2 years he has been living in madrid so away from all the stuff over here. I remember leeds made him an ultimatum after the court case to move away from middlesbrough. remains to be seenwhether playing for his home town club with be a distraction off the pitch

Towell Posted on 1/9 0:10
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He's been home a lot of the time in between injuries and such and nothing has happened.

Jimmy_Boy Posted on 1/9 0:11
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In addition to what i've said and in reply to you sas, you're right, it remains to be seen if he can continue to keep out of trouble.

He will always now be judged on his actions and people will make assuptions about him. it is only by his actions that he can change peoples opinions.

I hope for his and his families sake that he doesnt get into trouble.

He needs to stay clear of the town centre and the Dickens etc as he will be a target for some idiots.

Stepper_T Posted on 1/9 0:11
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Did this 'incident' happen in Middlesbrough?

Karl_Kennedy Posted on 1/9 0:12
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How pathetic are you bringing this up to get replies, you dont know the facts yet you act like you were there when the affray took place..

kazzaxxx Posted on 1/9 0:20
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give the lad a friggin chance
every one jumping on the bandwagon

twe12th_man Posted on 1/9 0:20
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The bloke that did the time was. Did he get anything out of it but a lesson in misdemeanour?

SplendidStuff Posted on 1/9 0:20
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what exactly is the point of your post Jeff_Lebowski ??

Are you claiming that hes racist or that he made a mistake in his life?

br14 Posted on 1/9 0:22
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Interesting one sided link you posted.

There were 5 students involved in a verbal confrontation with the bloke eventually jailed.

The presiding judge said racism was not a factor.

I wonder whether this much fuss would have been made if it hadnt of been footballers involved?

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ThePrisoner Posted on 1/9 0:24
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"How do you know? Were you there? Did you see the incident or are you judging someone from press reports."

Clearly you didn't follow the trial at the time. Try googling and you might get up to speed.

Link: Liar

ThePrisoner Posted on 1/9 0:27
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.

Link: More lying

borobuddah Posted on 1/9 0:28
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How long did Mr Duberry last at Leeds after that?

Towell Posted on 1/9 0:31
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ThePrisoner you are Sarfraz Najeib and i claim my free Parmo with garlic sauce.

derrickd Posted on 1/9 0:31
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Do you have some sort of vendetta Prisoner?

You seem to be going to a lot of effort to convince people to be self-righteous enough to judge someone else all based on news reports and heresay from 6 [Edit 5!] years ago?

Or are you just trying to find something to pass the time whilst watching SSN like the rest of us?!!

--- Post edited by derrickd on 1/9 0:32 ---

br14 Posted on 1/9 0:33
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Given that (unless you were there) you also are relying on press reports I'm not sure why you feel so strongly.

ThePrisoner Posted on 1/9 0:33
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"If on your way to work tomorrow in your car, god forbid, you have an accident and someone you hit gets seriously hurt and you are charged and serve a punishment, i think you would like to be able to get on with your life and prove it was a mistake that you've learned from."

How can you equate a car accident with chasing someone down a side-street and beating the shiit out of them? If someone walks out in front of a car or the car skids on a patch of oil then it's not the driver's fault is it? So there would be no punishment. If I deliberately ran someone over then I'd deserve all I got but I know that's wrong and I think I even knew that when I was a young kid of 20!

uptheboro79 Posted on 1/9 0:34
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ThePrisoner - The original post implied that the attack involving Jonathan Woodgate 6 years ago had a racist element to it by unnecissarily stating the other lads ethnicity. Rightly or wrongly, in modern society when an assault turns into a racist assault people view these incidents with a greater degree of shame. I personally do not condone violence of any nature but being a realist these incidents happen in there hundreds every weekend across the country. This incident happened over 6 years ago and I believe that he should be allowed to carry on with his career and not have to pay for 1 mistake for the rest of his life. If the past 6 years are anything to go by, he has learnt his lesson and I welcome him to the boro.

boro_newjersey Posted on 1/9 0:39
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UptheBoro79, without answering for the Prisoner, not everyone has stated the case as simply and succinctly as you did.

I get the impression that our mate Prisoner was trying to open some peoples' minds a little by pointing out things that were missing (deliberately or otherwise) from their posts on this thread.

ThePrisoner Posted on 1/9 0:39
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"Do you have some sort of vendetta Prisoner?

You seem to be going to a lot of effort to convince people to be self-righteous enough to judge someone else all based on news reports and heresay from 6 [Edit 5!] years ago?"

No vendetta. As for the press reports, as a member of the public that is my main source of information. Do you have a better one? The BBC tend to have a reasonable reputation in my experience. Besides Duberry openly admitted he lied but I can't be arsed to google any more. Also the judge said they lied, in his summing up, if memory serves.

Does nobody else have any memory of this trial?

"Or are you just trying to find something to pass the time whilst watching SSN like the rest of us?!! "

Yes!

Boromart Posted on 1/9 0:39
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It was an unsavoury incident for him to be involved in, but he has been tried for it. It is in the past, why not leave it there. He seems to have learned from it, he has not been in trouble with the police since then.

squiffypants Posted on 1/9 0:43
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To discard the findings of the court because you "know better" is ridiculous. The fact is that very few people know what really happened that night.

Based on the accounts given by those who were involved the courts awarded fit punishment based on English law.

The suggestion that a mate took all the blame is worthless without proof - nothing more than a juicy story that can be elaborated with each retelling in the pub.

These are the facts.

A guy was battered outside a club.
Woodgate was involved in the attack to some degree.
Woodgate was punished for the his proven level of involvement.
Since that day six years ago Woodgate has not been prosecuted for any other offence.

I believe Woodgate should be treated like any other offender and given the chance to prove his worth once his punishment is over.

You obviously believe you know better and that Woodgate should be shunned and never forgiven.

If you feel this way about all offenders then that makes you deluded and your comments can be discarded. If you only feel this way about Woodgate then that means you have an agenda and your comments can, once again, be discarded.

That leaves your entire point mute. Goodnight.

br14 Posted on 1/9 0:45
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Once again I would remind you that the judge on the case said racism was not a factor.

In my experience of the law (more than I would wish though I hasten to add not as a defendant), judges are generally pretty well on the nail.

When I was a boy it was always considered wise to avoid confrontations with groups of drunks, especially if they were bigger than me. Evidently this poor bloke was slower than his mates.

ThePrisoner Posted on 1/9 0:50
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"When I was a boy it was always considered wise to avoid confrontations with groups of drunks, especially if they were bigger than me. Evidently this poor bloke was slower than his mates."

(Picks jaw off floor). You're blaming the lad for not being fast enough to avoid a beating?!! Maybe he should have been prosecuted for being in the town centre after 6pm as well!

derrickd Posted on 1/9 0:52
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"I get the impression that our mate Prisoner was trying to open some peoples' minds a little by pointing out things that were missing (deliberately or otherwise) from their posts on this thread."

Agree with you NewJersey - both yours and Prisoners posts have hopefully made people question their own point of view.

Prisoner, I seem to remember the judge saying something about the majority of those who were in court (not just defendants) but witnesses (prosecution and defence) too, not covering themselves in glory.

Don't think it can be forgotten but like Boromart, UpTheBoro and others have said, it was 5 years ago and he has served his sentence as determined by a court of British law.

Has Huth Signed yet?!!

br14 Posted on 1/9 0:57
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Prisoner, I'm simply saying that the world isnt a very nice place and it pays to be careful. Especially around big buggers that are "fighting drunk".

Boromart Posted on 1/9 0:57
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ThePrisoner, you seem to be guilty of trying to make the evidance at your disposal fit the crime that you think happened.

You are selectively choosing quotes from the trial. The prosecuting QC said "Mr Duberry was "a witness of truth" - but to regard his testimony with care.". Of course you beleive this to the nth degree, even though it is from a bias source - the prosecution, who wish to discredit Duberry.

Yet you ignore the statement from the man who we would all hope looks impartially the Judge. He stated that "raciscm was not a factor".

The press have built Woodgate up to be a racist, venomous bully. Because that sells copy. I'm not saying the lad is angel, I'm sure he isn't, but its all been done to death, and we hope that the right outcome was achieved.

uptheboro79 Posted on 1/9 0:59
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I don't think they are any sensible arguments justifying what Woodgate done. Just that as time goes by, he should be able to put this incident behind him and get on with his life. I think the majority of boro supporters have welcomed the signing with great excitment. I would also say that the majority of these supporters deplore what happened. Just because we welcome him to the boro does'nt mean we condone what happened.

borojap Posted on 1/9 1:05
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I agree with Boro new jersey - I'm not entirely comfortable with Woodgate's 'baggage'. I don't think being a good player or local should get someone off the hook, and that it's reasonable for people to have their doubts, but it's probably time to move on and give the lad a chance. Lots of people do stupid things when they're 20, yet by their mid 20s have matured considerably to become different people. Still, moving on shouldn't mean conveniently airbrushing out any of the less savoury things to come out of the incident he was involved in.

ThePrisoner Posted on 1/9 1:06
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"hePrisoner, you seem to be guilty of trying to make the evidance at your disposal fit the crime that you think happened.

You are selectively choosing quotes from the trial. The prosecuting QC said "Mr Duberry was "a witness of truth" - but to regard his testimony with care.". Of course you beleive this to the nth degree, even though it is from a bias source - the prosecution, who wish to discredit Duberry."

I was merely pointed out that the defendants lied. Duberry, Woodgate and Bowyer all lied. This was made clear by the judge at the time but I'm too tired to start googling for it. Am I really the only person who followed the trials at the time?

"Yet you ignore the statement from the man who we would all hope looks impartially the Judge. He stated that "raciscm was not a factor".

I don't really care whether racism was a factor or not. They beat up an innocent men. End of, as far as I'm concerned.

bungydinsdale Posted on 1/9 1:58
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When I was 20 I knicked a bunch of bananas from the supermarket. I then took them outside and squashed them. It was nothing against bananas per se, and definitely wasn't racially motivated as I accept bananas of all races into my world (exepct those green ones, bastids piss me off not being ripe enough and leaving a bitter taste in your mouth).
But I think it stinks that I'm still having people bringing it up after all this time, calling me a banana basher and saying I shouldn't be allwoed into a supermarket again and should be kept well clear of all bananas.
I did the crime and served my time, end of. Please forgive me FMTTMers...

boro_newjersey Posted on 1/9 2:07
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bungy - not funny mate. broken leg. broken nose. broken cheekbone and the rest.

you might not get called a banana basher - people would probably forgive you, nice lad like you - but you might get called a di(khead every once in a while.

capio Posted on 1/9 2:08
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only cheese agrees and he is a total nob.

artois_bock Posted on 1/9 2:09
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Woodgate has basically come home because his 'boys' are here and he can kick about with them and have some mischevious fun.

bungydinsdale Posted on 1/9 2:51
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Ah, but Boro-Newjersey, the principle is the same. The basis of our criminal justice system is that you do the crime, you do the time. Sure, any previous offences are taken into account when you offend again. BUT if you don't and go on to lead a blameless life then you should be allowed to put that past mistake behind you.
I've done many, many things in my past that I'm not particlarly proud of (and anybody who lived in Blue Hall over 20 years ago will know of some of them) that would have put me away for a long time if I'd been caught, but the fact is that I've learned from my mistakes and used them as motivation to improve myself.
At what stage do YOU say somebody has done their time and they should be allowed to move on? Or are you one of these who say that's it, one strike and you're out?
Or do you think that YOU should be the one to determine which crimes people are allowed to move on from and which they are not?
You must have been living in that land of the free the US for far too long if either of the latter two are the case.
And yes I've forgiven myself for my previous indiscretions even if you can't, because as you have pointed out, I'm basically a good lad who has done bad things in the past.

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Bully_Boy Posted on 1/9 3:32
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Sounds like woodgate got injured running after the crowd, also its states that 'no forensic evidence linking Mr Woodgate, 21, to the attack'.

Link: Woodgate

bungydinsdale Posted on 1/9 3:43
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You're welcome back as far as I'm concerned Woody, but any further misdemeanours will be severely punished...I'll send round Ms Curly and Jo to sort you out and believe me, you WILL regret it...

The_GOAT Posted on 1/9 3:52
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I'll reserve judgement for his performances. He is injury prone and has played 13 games in about two years.

I'm waiting for him to win me over instead of creaming my pants over someone who most of you were chanting "youre supposed to be in jail" at and telling stories about how he burnt a fifty pound note infront of a waitress etc

matt67 Posted on 1/9 4:17
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his past is a non issue.

It went to court and rightly or wrongly he was "punished" as the system saw fit.

now u may think he shoulda got 6 yrs like his mate or whatever, point is he has been dealt with by the courts. End of.

redz69 Posted on 1/9 7:56
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Jonny Woodgate is a red
is a red
is a red
Jonny Woodgate is a red
he hates Geordies
hates geordies and he hates geordies
hates geordies and he hates geordies
jonny the geordie
hater

Tee Tee Teessiders

nailed it. shica shicaaaa

The_Commisar Posted on 1/9 8:03
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As an all round sanctimonious git can I just say I am a mere amateur when compared with some people on this thread.

SuperBokSupper Posted on 1/9 8:06
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I personally think he is a bit of a (unt.

Having seen him out and about in Boro he is a massive show pony and arrogant as fook, but so would I be if I played for real Madrid!


Are we still gonna sing "your supposed to be in jail" at him tho?

He better be fooking good for us and behave himself like.

Lucky_Alf Posted on 1/9 8:14
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Some quality self righteousness on this thread.

Plenty of whiter than whites ready to throw the first stone.

petrio Posted on 1/9 8:25
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As far as I know, Woodgate has kept his head down and worked hard to get back to what he does best, for the past two or so years. He's now going to be doing that for Boro, which is great news for us, especially if Huth hasn't signed. I know which I'd rather have playing for Boro - Woodgate, by a country mile.

It seems to me that Woodgate has done some growing up. I think that some people on here may need to do the same.

SuperBokSupper Posted on 1/9 8:31
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ah, usual Lucky_Alf spouting bo11ox.

"Oh he's from Boro, top lad"

Get a grip u toilet!

Nellmad Posted on 1/9 8:51
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I agree 110% with Jeff he is and always will be an arrogant thug

mickbrown Posted on 1/9 9:04
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*writes down the name of all posters who backed Woodgate in little black book entitled "T'internet Banter", under subsection "Diouf - sinned against or sinner?"

skiprat Posted on 1/9 9:06
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Can't believe the state of this thread.

Obviously people aren't allowed a second chance for something they did when they were still a young adult. Surely a lot on here have been involved in a fight at some point when they were younger, or something they regret.

I won't get into the ins and outs of the case as I don't really care, but the sanctimonious rubbish coming out in this thread is terrible. I obviously share the cyber World with a bunch of angels.

captain5 Posted on 1/9 9:11
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I think I have to say that I agree with Commy except the bit where he is unduly modest.

petrio Posted on 1/9 9:13
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I know that I acted like a complete turd just a few short years ago, when I was older than Woodgate was when most of his alleged misbehaviour ocurred. I also know that I wouldn't act like that anymore. I doubt that Woodgate will get into much trouble anymore either. It's called maturing, or growing up.

Boro_Owl Posted on 1/9 9:15
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Really dont see all the fuss, he was punished, his career suffered, and he has been rebuilding since then. He hasnt been involved in anything since then so he has clearly tried to turn himself around, so well done to Woodgate for that.

mickbrown Posted on 1/9 9:19
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I really wish this site had a search archive facility.

captain5 Posted on 1/9 9:19
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It does.

borobadge Posted on 1/9 9:20
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i dont have any problem with the guy..i will sing his name ..




i think jeff still has issues with Jackie Treehorn...

mickbrown Posted on 1/9 9:25
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Captain - where's that then?

Or should I just let sleeping dogs lie?

stuninho Posted on 1/9 9:45
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"and telling stories about how he burnt a fifty pound note infront of a waitress etc"

This is a load of rubbish - I have heard the same thing about Keiron Dyer on a night out in Newcastle, and I'll bet if you go to Blackburn you'll hear a similar thing about Bellamy, etc/

Good Luck Woody

gravy_boat Posted on 1/9 9:55
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Mick,

www.block17.co.uk

Should be fun. Can't beat a bit of hipocrisy.

Cobain_94 Posted on 1/9 10:11
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I've had no time for his off the field antics in the past but my view on him as a footballer is he is world class, that has always been the case. That's all I care about if he's playing for us. Just hope he stays fit.

mickbrown Posted on 1/9 10:33
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gravy - interesting, very interesting

capio Posted on 1/9 10:37
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The Teesside disease of being jealous of those who are more successful and make something of themselves continues.
Would you not change slightly if you become a multi-millionaire, had to deal with press intrusion, and were treated like a god by young girls?

Get your head out of your asses

uptheboro79 Posted on 1/9 10:45
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The main concern I have about Woodgate is his ability to stay fit. How likable the lad is doesn't come into it. His future is far more important than his past. Great deal alround for the boro.

Lucky_Alf Posted on 1/9 10:48
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Bloody hell, no wonder he's obsessed by the Boro.

Take a butchers at this.....

Link: As lively as a crowd at the Reebok

mickbrown Posted on 1/9 11:12
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Alfredo - easy fella, easy.


*flexes typing fingers

BoroMod Posted on 1/9 11:46
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I saw him on a night out in Boro earlier in the year, he was just minding his own business and having a drink with mates. He's made one mistake in his life, just the one, and some people want to hold it against him forever. If only we were all perfect...

Cheeses_Christ Posted on 1/9 12:03
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Capio my old bean....from you that is a compliment






Btw. Are you still knocking off that pensioner?

The_Lizards_Jumpers Posted on 1/9 12:07
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"The Teesside disease of being jealous of those who are more successful and make something of themselves continues.
Would you not change slightly if you become a multi-millionaire, had to deal with press intrusion, and were treated like a god by young girls?

Get your head out of your asses"

As much as it pains me, I agree 100% with Capio on this. People hate fellow Teessiders to do well, and as soon as they do the rumours and accusations start.

See Cattermole was out drinking, Downing and his recreational activities etc etc

mickymac Posted on 1/9 12:22
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Rehabillitation of offenders anyone,I'm keeping an open mind but he has to do it on the field AND off it.Mind you he hurt is ankle running down the street AND lee boyer passed him.Oh dear!.

rick4974 Posted on 1/9 12:22
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its in the lads past for fick sake. he has put it behind him so why cant you. he admitted he had done somethings in his early career that he regrets and he has settled himself down now. cant ya just let the lad prove he has turned over a new leaf?

i'm sure a lot of people on here have done things in their past that they wish they hadnt, i know i have, and woodgate said he has. give the lad a chance. i would hate to be condemned by you lebowski, as i would never lose the tag that i had recieved. if he proves you right then i will gladly admit you were right but until then, get behind him.

capio Posted on 1/9 12:28
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Sadly not Cheese your grandmother has tired of me.

gravy_boat Posted on 1/9 12:41
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Last season some lads I know got invited out to Madrid for the weekend by Woodgate. One of them knew his mate I believe. There was about 5 of them, he got them all VIP tickets for a Real match, put them up in his own pad, took them out on the town, paid for everything, and topped it off by inviting Roberto Carlos, Guti and one or two others along.

I realise with the money he's earning, its something he has the luxury to do, but they said he was sound as you like, and in not any way arrogant or full of it.

I'd be very surprised if he was anymore of an arse then your average footballer in their early 20's.

boro_newjersey Posted on 1/9 13:33
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Bungy, I think we're in violent agreement over the passage of time / forgiveness / done his time debate (although there is an alleged question mark over him doing the time but don't get me on that one...).

I am quite happy to see him in a Boro shirt NOW, although I think I would have had a big problem with him coming to the Boro 4 or 5 years ago, as I would Bowyer. I don't think his place of birth should mean he was treated differently. But, time, crime, punishment etc. and now I agree that we should all move on.

Where I had an issue is that jokingly comparing a banana theft with a lad getting beaten that badly wasn't a great comparison to make, but hey, all friends now.


BUT I do understand how some people can dislike the thought of him pulling on a Boro shirt (see my 1st post) and was (like O_B_F) surprised that this hadn't come up earlier. This was something that was worthy of debate on here, and, I thought that some people's reaction to the original post
(like just saying "coont") WASN'T worthy of debate. This isn't something with a clear right or wrong and a lot of people were treating it like it was just because he's a Boro lad.

Last week, a few people were on here saying that Woody has served his time but they didn't want that drug cheat, Xavier back! (Despite him having his sentence reduced by UEFA... if anything smacked of "one rule for Boro lads and one for everyone else") it was that. For me, they've both moved on so let 'em in.

The big question is: where the eff is Lebowski now having started all this ???

Jeff_Lebowski22 Posted on 1/9 21:55
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Thanks for your concern new jersey, I was just having some beauty
sleep.;) You make some interesting points, although 'cooont' did strike me as perhaps the finest response, well done to you young man.

Your right, it IS something that should be discussed. I think many boro fans would just prefer to pretend it never happened, but it did. There was outrage by various groups when the judge dismissed the racist element in the attack, especially when the victim was met with ' you want some paki?' by the group.

Personally I beleive him ,duberry, bowyer, and the poor guy who went to jail for it are all responsible, his mate took the blame, thats why Woodgate and Bowyer didnt go to jail. Woodgate got affray for beating a man almost to death, and we welcome him with open arms.

People talk about jealousy over Woodgates success, absolute nonsense, Im talking about Middlesbrough Football Club signing a player with a tainted reputation (to put it mildly).


Quite often in the post people have said 'oh, that was in the past' That is no excuse for past actions. He may well have changed, and if he has then he could be a great signing for the club (fitness prevailing), but boro fans should remember that. I have a Newcastle friend (unfortunate i know) who never clapped for woodgate or bowyer during their times at the club. No-one can criticise his reasons for not cheering on even ihis own teammates when they have committed violent crimes.


I remember Boro fans saying some pretty nasty things about Woodgate, when playing for Newcastle especially. Now he signs for us and its 'oh, its in the past' and all that rubbish. Otley boro fan put it well,

'I remember, at the time of this incident, he wasn't exactly a hero on this board'

I am really surprised at the amount of adoration this guy has amoungst boro fans 'best signing since juninho' is one of the topics on the board...its like he has always been a hero, and now hes returning to where he belongs!! balls! hes here for the money and the match practice....I just hope he does'nt get back into the good old ways with his buddies back in the boro..


p.s. borobadge, that Jackie Treehorn is a fake!! :)

borojap Posted on 2/9 2:27
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Lebowski, fair point about the alleged racial nature of the attack. There was indeed evidence of racial taunts being made. I read that what the judge had meant was that there was no racial MOTIVATION behind the attack - he hadn't been attacked just because of his race. Obviously, no way of knowing if the judge was right here.

You believe Woodgate, Bowyer, Duberry and the other lad are responsible and the mate took the blame with Woodgate getting off lightly. You MIGHT be right, but if we're going to judge Woodgate on this incident, then it has to be on what the court decided, not what you personally suspect. Imagine being refused a job requiring no criminal record being told "yeah, we know you were found not guilty, but I bet you did it".

Same as newjersey, I wouldn't have wanted him 4 or 5 years ago. But he does appear to have stayed out of trouble since that all happened. I'd have been more concerned now about us getting Bowyer. Because Bowyer on the other hand, has a string of incidents stretching from quite a while ago to not so long ago, suggesting he's as much of a dikhead as he was before. (Sorry not counting message board myths of burning 20 quid notes etc.)There's also a fair bit we know about Bowyer to point to him being an unapologetic racist, which there isn't about Woodgate.


As I said before, it's not unreasonable to have concern about this but it isn't a black/white issue either. When you evaluate a person on their past, do you just choose the bad bits or the good bits? Surely you weigh up the whole lot. I'm sure there are plenty of people (perhaps even a majority) who are prepared to give him a chance but that doesn't mean they're not bothered about what he was involved in before.

br14 Posted on 2/9 3:03
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Truth is Lebowski you want Woodgate to be guilty.

You cant bring yourself to accept the decision of a court, and having read whatever you want into the media reports, you have decided that Woodgate etc are guilty.

Of course, you're entitled to express your opinion.

My reading between the lines, tells me that a group of young students gave some lip to a bunch of drunken footballers and their friends. As a result, the drunken footballers ran after the students, and unfortunately, in the melee that followed one was significantly injured. Such incidents happen often (though not with footballers generally) in cities such as Leeds.

The student then leveraged the incident into a significant amount of money and gained notoriety in the press.

Of course thats just my opinion.

It doesnt mean I believe that Woodgate is an innocent; or that the violence inflicted is defensible in any way. However, had this event occurred with less notorious participants, the sentences and certainly the press attention would have been significantly less.

Bully_Boy Posted on 2/9 3:25
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I'm supprised this thread hasn't been closed from the amount of libelous suggestions on it. This matter has been delt with by a court of Law and people are saying things without proof. All from a new poster that has obviously come on here to stir things up.

FFS Woodgate had no forensic evidence linking him to the attack.

Jeff_Lebowski22 - I hope you have a good lawyer.

rothwellranger Posted on 2/9 4:29
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"Personally I beleive him ,duberry, bowyer, and the poor guy who went to jail for it are all responsible, his mate took the blame, thats why Woodgate and Bowyer didnt go to jail. Woodgate got affray for beating a man almost to death, and we welcome him with open arms."

I've never read such bullshhit.

Some facts for you pal.

There was absolutely no evidence to suggest that Woodgate had physically touched Sarfraz Najeib. Woodgate was convicted of affray because he took part in chasing a group of lads who were involved in some sort of verbal altercation outside Majestik.

It was PROVEN that Lee Bowyer was leaving the nightclub at the time the attack was happening and therefore could not have taken part.

Michael Duberry wasn't out that night. One of the lads called him and asked him to collect them from the city centre.

Maybe you're just one of the idiots in this country that think we should have trial by tabloid, rather than court. There were 600 witness statemens, thousands of police man-hours and two multi-million pound trials and there was NO EVIDENCE to suggest that any of them assaulted anybody.

I hope the mod on this board takes some kind of action against Jeff_Lebowski22 and removes the posts above. The content is libelous under the defamation act 1996.

Jeff_Lebowski22 Posted on 2/9 4:55
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All good points borojap, the reason i started this thread was because I had'nt seen 1 comment that mentioned his past. I tend to lean towards the side that we shouldn't have signed him, because I believe Middlesbrough (under mcClaren) built a squad with individuals that could behave themselves in a manner which does not involve the kind of behaviour more associated with clubs such as Leeds (or Newcastle, come to think of it) Thats my opinion....but all this adoration all of a sudden towards him is totally over the top.

My concern is with the Woodgate thing, aswell as the Xaiver drug ban, is that we get a reputation for second chancers.

Good points though BoroJap, at the end of the day its personal choice, if you believe that his past does'nt matter then who am I to judge.......but when boro start chanting 'your supposed to be in jail' at bowyer e.t.c we should take a long hard look at our own players.

Bully boy im not making this stuff up!! Stop all that libel nonsense.... Its all available online, try googling 'woodgate assault' or something similar and you can access archived news reports from the time, national and local. Yes, it was dealt with in a court of law, and he was found GUILTY of affray.

And im not a new poster 'stirring up trouble', Im a boro fan who has access to a P.C infrequently. Whatever your thoughts, it is important to discuss it.

br14, i don't want him to be found guilty HE WAS FOUND GUILTY!!

Are some of these posters geordies?? Because I remember having very similar conversations about woodgate when he signed for newcastle and they believed he was 'innocent', or 'a good lad at heart', defending him all the way... Now some of you defend his actions exactly the same way newcastle supporters did when he played for them.

Jeff_Lebowski22 Posted on 2/9 5:10
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Thanks very much for filling me in there rotty...I presume you defended him just as passionately when he played for leeds?

Fact is he was convicted of affray and recieved 100 hours of community service pal....thats on his record, and no-one is disputing that, he didnt appeal. Im free to express my concern over Middlesbrough signing a player with a conviction.

rothwellranger Posted on 2/9 5:27
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You've said "Woodgate got affray for beating a man almost to death" You've also said Lee Bowyer and Michael Duberry were responsible.

That's just nonsense, and very very libelous (also under section 3 of the Uk defamation act 1996, Rivals are responsible for the comments as publisher/editor. Please don't try to tell me what is or isn't defamatory.

If he had beaten Najeib, he would have been found guilty of GBH with intent, of which of course he was found to be not guilty. He took part in the chase and was therefore guilty of affray.

If you think your team shouldn't sign players with criminal convictions thats your business but just try and keep to facts and not sensationalised tabloid accounts of what some scumbag journalist thinks might have happened.

Like you say, Woodgate got community service. He also lost his England career, which was just starting to take off. I believe he's been punished enough.

Ivor_Biggen Posted on 2/9 7:30
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Interesting thread. It's amazing how peoples opinions can change about someone just because they play for their team. 2 clear facts, Woodgate is an outstanding footballer, he is also an ignorant thug.

boronutter Posted on 2/9 7:37
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methinks jeff_lebowsi22 is a envious geordie/mackem.ask yourself if youve ever made a mistake of any sort in your life son.everyone makes mistakes in life,YES everyone.and everyone deserves another chance now do one ya doyle!

capio Posted on 2/9 7:51
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I have never read such tosh. I have never understood people who have so little information on a certain issue yet have incredible conviction in their argument, lebowski with such a pig-headed stance on a scenario you're completely ignorant on, you truly do your obvious intelligence a disservice.
95% of males on this board will have had an altercation in the street at some point in their life, the difference was he was caught, the Asian lad threw the first punch (at somebody who was never convicted of anything) and got a kicking, life’s tough.
The only difference between Woody and most of us is Woody got caught and his fame exaggerated the case because there was money for the ‘victim’ to go for.
The fact that he was Asian meant all the politically correct idiots jumped on the race bandwagon, they themselves are the racists for separating an Asian lad from anybody else.
The guy who went down served a much longer sentence than would normally be the case (because of the public interest he was made an example of)

The fact is Teesside is full of jealous underachievers who will always try put a negative spin on anything good that happens to our club.
Affray is not a particularly serious offence and your sanctimonious self righteous attitude suggests you're a headline reader unable to give people a second chance, many people who make mistakes in their life go on to live good life’s and give a valuable contribution to their community I dare say there are a few on here who fit that bill

First and foremost, this is a new era for boro, lets get behind our club our manager our players and our fellow fans, we need to be united.

Up the boro

--- Post edited by capio on 2/9 7:57 ---

Ivor_Biggen Posted on 2/9 7:51
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Not everyone makes the mistake of being charged with affray, I know I've never made that mistake.

Ivor_Biggen Posted on 2/9 7:54
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"95% of males on this board will have had an altercation in the street at some point in their life"

Where do you live, The Bronx?? What a f_uckin stupid thing to say.

capio Posted on 2/9 7:59
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Ivor shut up you tit I live in Nunthorpe and most men have had a fight at some point, are you saying you have never had a fight in your life?

Ivor_Biggen Posted on 2/9 8:05
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Correct Capio. Not once and I'm 36 and have been going out drinking regularly since the age of 17. You must associate with riff raff.

capio Posted on 2/9 8:42
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Yes obviously (you plank).

Ivor_Biggen Posted on 2/9 8:51
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First you call me a tit, then a plank, do you always get so abusive so quickly? Would you hit me if this discussion was taking place face to face?

boronutter Posted on 2/9 8:54
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itll come ivor son dont worry.you dont need to be the instigator.your either lying or have been very lucky to have not been in a fight at your age.

we_have_overcome Posted on 2/9 9:00
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Jeff

If you feel so strongly about this you should totally disassociate yourself with Middlesbrough Football Club. That means you should.

Stop supporting them (that’s if you already do).

Never watch them play again.

And, best of all, never post on this site again.

Now fooooook offffffffffff.



Ivor

You must be a very boring person to go out for a drink with.

Ivor_Biggen Posted on 2/9 9:01
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"itll come ivor son dont worry" What will come? Seriously, I've never been involved in a fight, why is that so hard to believe? I've never felt the need to go and hit someone and have been fortunate to avoid getting involved in any bother. I played rugby until the age of about 19, maybe that was a suitable outlet for any teenage aggression I had.

we_have_overcome? Boring to drink with? Why because I don't like fighting?

I'm a lover not a fighter.

--- Post edited by Ivor_Biggen on 2/9 9:02 ---

capio Posted on 2/9 9:03
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Ivor I responded to this

"What a f_uckin stupid thing to say"

Also suggesting the circles I mix in are riff raff is rather silly and ignorant of you.
I found your comments presumptive and offensive and showed me you were unable to have an adult conversation without being abusive, if I am wrong show me.

Yes and what if this conversation was to take place, face to face? You have already indicated that you're a pacifist.

Ivor_Biggen Posted on 2/9 9:08
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I didn't resort to name calling capio, rather childish of you don't you think? Hardly the adult thing to do is it? I stand by what I said, if 95% of the people you know have been involved in street fights I would say they are riff raff.

capio Posted on 2/9 9:09
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Ivor as I just highlighted which you struggled to grasp, you started the offensive remarks and secondly I assure you I mixed in more powerful circles than you, so pipe down.

Ivor_Biggen Posted on 2/9 9:19
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"I assure you I mixed in more powerful circles than you"

I really hope that's not a serious remark.

capio Posted on 2/9 9:20
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Well it should say mix, but it is very serious, far too many people who are nobodies give it the big I am on here.

Sit down son.

--- Post edited by capio on 2/9 9:20 ---

Ivor_Biggen Posted on 2/9 9:23
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Oh dear, you really are being serious. Wannabe gangster alert!!
I'm curious as to exactly what these powerul circles that you mix in are??

BoroGrecian Posted on 2/9 9:25
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They say football fans have short memories.

Just a few years ago many of you were having a go at him for his crimes in Boro saying you would never welcome him to the club. Funny how the old mind becomes jaded dosen't it.

So it's a simple case of 'he was a s*** at Leeds, but now he's one of ours we don't give a s***'

borobuddah Posted on 2/9 9:27
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Crapio still acting the tough guy, even after a night's sleep.

Careful folks, he knows how to get a gun, mixes in powerful circles, thinks the whole of Teesside had a jealousy disease, has a better job than anyone, is more intelligent, and is gonna start his own fanzine if we don't pander to his ego.

Go tell it to yer grannie.

capio Posted on 2/9 9:27
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I am done with you biggin you talk a good game.

Grecian what exactly is your problem with Woodgate?

gravy_boat Posted on 2/9 9:30
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FFS Capio.

I agree with most of your sentiments on this thread, but then you've gone and ruined it all with the big I am.

"I assure you I mixed in more powerful circles than you"

You fuking doyle

Ivor_Biggen Posted on 2/9 9:32
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Thanks for that borobuddah, so he's like this all the time? I was staring to get worried that he might 'send the boys round' to sort me out. But from what you're saying I can see he's a bit of a fool.

capio Posted on 2/9 9:32
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Ahh here he is the world's oldest cyber warrior, buddah I don't have a job at all.

I notice a few interest comments from yourself about race on this thread, what a surprise.

capio Posted on 2/9 9:34
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Biggen you had a go at me and then started acting the big I am, and were out of your league, end of story son.

Buddah is obsessed with me because I rightly showed then he has a tendency to overreact and call people racists at the drop of a hat. I feel sorry for his wife he spends more time talking to me.

borobuddah Posted on 2/9 9:36
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Ivor, I think he's actually a new Viz character, not a real person.

capio Posted on 2/9 9:36
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Gravy, I only said it because he was starting to act the big I am, and suggesting that 'my friends' are riff raff, considering the position of some of my friends it is ludicrous, I would never have divulged that had he not been another typical 30k a year vectra driving new world leader who considers himself a powerful man because he can afford sky plus and the naughty channels.

gravy_boat Posted on 2/9 9:37
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Oh, you're not wrong there Ivor.

Ivor_Biggen Posted on 2/9 9:37
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Excuse me capio but where have I "started acting the big I am" as you say, I think you'll find it's you that's "acting the big I am" saying you mix in powerful circles, if that's not acting "the big I am" I don't know what is.

ps Please don't send 'the boys' round to sort me out.

capio Posted on 2/9 9:38
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Buddah = middle aged man who bullies 16 year old girls online, rambles inanely in political correct rhetoric in semi-literate English and has anger problems.

Oh and he couldn’t make it in his own town.

capio Posted on 2/9 9:40
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Ivor says : I would say they are riff raff.

Well hang on, who are you? Surely if you’re talking down to people you must be some super powerful entrepreneur ?

You're a pseudo-middle class big talker you'll find you have a lot in common with buddah.

BoroGrecian Posted on 2/9 9:41
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I don't have a problem with Woodgate himself, the problem I have is with fans here who have in the past who have said they would never welcome him back to Middlesbrough let alone the club and no all of a sudden it's 'Oh yeah he's an ok guy really, he's one of ours'

Ivor_Biggen Posted on 2/9 9:43
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To be honest with you capio if you'd said from the start that your friends were all gangsters I could well believe that 95% of them had been involved in street fights, and I would'nt have had to make the riff raff remark.

capio Posted on 2/9 9:44
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Fair enough grecian, I can see your angle, but he is a boro player now and surely we should all give him a chance to start afresh and get behind him.

Lets back our players until they do something (whilst at our club) that gives us a reason to complain.

Not that i am saying you're complaining, but there is a lot of the green eyed monster attached to those who lambaste Woodgate.
People see him in town in his expensive clothes and girls flirting with him, and they’re jealous, we should celebrate one of the finest talents this town has ever produced, not knock them.

God knows there are enough outsiders attacking our town and its people, we should back them!

borobuddah Posted on 2/9 9:46
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Tedious chap, peddling his laughable self aggrandisement programme, winning friends and influencing people every time he taps the keyboard.

Last week he was gonna bash anyone he perceives as pc on the head with a sledgehammer, this week, he knows how to get a shooter.

If it wasn't sad it would be very funny, if it was a joke persona, it really would star in Viz magazine, and improve their circlation no end.

Wait a minute,Does anyone on here actually know him?

capio Posted on 2/9 9:51
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buddah viz is more your cup of tea it matches your grasp of English and many people from this site have met me, one even told me that you're a nob of the highest order.

As for making friends and influencing people, buddah 'nobody' wants to be your friend you're a clown, as for influencing people, those who can don't talk about it, those who can't bully 16 year old girls on the internet to make themselves feel big, go give your wife some attention old man.

Btw, the offer to meet me if you ever return to your home town stands.

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Ivor_Biggen Posted on 2/9 9:53
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"as for influencing people, those who can don't talk about it,"

Says the man who brags about "mixing in powerful circles".

haha, very good.

capio Posted on 2/9 9:55
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Ivor you seem to have very low intelligence as I need to repeat myself to you several times.
You suggested my friends (many of whom are diplomats) are riff-raff.

Like I said, pipe down son.

Ivor_Biggen Posted on 2/9 9:58
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"Like I said, pipe down son."

Why what you gonna do? Get me 'sorted' out? haha. Don Capio of Teeside.

capio Posted on 2/9 9:58
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Not my style and certainly not with riff-raff like you.

gravy_boat Posted on 2/9 10:03
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Come on kids, this is all a bit much for a Saturday morning, wouldn't you say?

So much anamosity.

What have you got to be upset about? I'm at bloody work!

Ivor_Biggen Posted on 2/9 10:04
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Got to go now, thank for making me laugh this morning, you're a star. I may need a gun sometime so I might give you a shout. Send my regards to your diplomat friends.

capio Posted on 2/9 10:05
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I'm not upset, ivor was rude so I was rude back.

Buddah is just obsessed with me and follows me around the site like a sheep with tourettes, at least when he is arguing with me he can't bully 16 year old girls like he usually does.

borobuddah Posted on 2/9 10:06
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Just so that Crapio doesn't completely hijack this thread in his desperate quest to be loved.

Woodgate will be a great player for us if he stays fit. I don't believe the racist tag should be applied to him, the Courts gave their verdict, and I believe that when offenders have served their sentence they should be allowed to show they've learned their lesson, until further evidence shows that they haven't done so.

I think the remaining suspicion about him in some quarters arises from the fact that one of his co accused has a bit of previous when it comes to racism, violence and boneheadedness.

I wish him luck here, if it comes off, his loan could help us get top 6.

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borobuddah Posted on 2/9 10:19
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Who knows you from this messageboard Capio?

Giz yer e mail address?

capio Posted on 2/9 10:30
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Your obsession is flattering, I just hope you're not a closet homosexual.

borobuddah Posted on 2/9 10:32
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Not closet anything, you asked to meet up.

capio Posted on 2/9 10:35
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Yes but the only lubrication I had in mind was a cognac.

red_ruth Posted on 2/9 10:42
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time to nail my colours on the mast. Fully agree with lebowski and the prisoner.
Woodgate, I am ashamed that we have got him.

I think people who come on to this board and say, oh well, it was a long time ago, he was young, he was misguided, he's served his time need to wake up and look at themselves.

Odds on it's the same people who stood in the holgate and sang racist chants at any non white player. Oh well we were young, didn't know any better etc.

Spain suited woodgate given it's recent record on racial harrasment, let's hope he goes back there.

This is my point of view, slagg me off all you like but I'm afraid I can not stand by and let so many people say everythings ok.Fascisim breeds when good men do nothing.

capio Posted on 2/9 10:44
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Not only is your post stupid it is also libelous.

borobuddah Posted on 2/9 10:53
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Prefer beer meself, put yr address on yer Woody welcome thread and I'll wipe it straight away.

Sorry, you can wipe it.

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red_ruth Posted on 2/9 11:10
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ok, ok on the grounds of libel, i retract the above statement i in no way mean to cause offence to woodgate and i in no way want to link him with any fascist organization, i am truly sorry for any offence caused.

i will now get my coat and leave this board for good.

capio Posted on 2/9 11:13
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Bye.

borobuddah Posted on 2/9 11:17
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Crikey, I never sang racist chants in the Holgate, neither am I PC.

I am anti racist, but feel Woody is being wrongly judged here, for the reasons given.

capio Posted on 2/9 11:18
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neither am I PC.



borobuddah Posted on 2/9 11:23
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Jesus, Joseph, Mary and the little wee donkey....

Do you know what the term PC means?

Give us yer definition?

skiprat Posted on 2/9 11:25
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Sanctimonious clap trap and bullsheet.

Give the lad a chance for gods sake and sort your attitudes out.

capio Posted on 2/9 11:26
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Well said Skiprat.

borobuddah Posted on 2/9 11:32
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Skipper, in order to make some sense of him. I simply ask?

he's a grown man and can speak for himself.

skiprat Posted on 2/9 11:41
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Of course he can. Can't see why he'd feel the need to come on here and try and sort something out with people who clearly bear grudges for all of their life though.

TheSmogMonster Posted on 2/9 12:10
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Must admit when I first heard I as very much "him? but he's done x x and worst of all x"

I looked at what went on and I can see both sides of the story.

But the incident looking at it again, wasn't what I thought it was.

I worry however that a few people are getting high on their horses over this.

I'm young, I'm a little younger then Woodgate, I've been in trouble myself a couple of times, which I didn't cause or even throw the first punch.

When you're young, you don't know how to talk yourself or your mates out of a situation, but now I'm a little older I can't see myself getting involved in any bother anymore. I'd imagine woodgates the same.

Should I not be allowed to get along with my life and career just because I beat someone up when I was 20?

He's done things wrongly and he's been a bit of a kn0b at times, but so have a lot of non-footballers, do we resent them doing their jobs too?

borobuddah Posted on 2/9 12:47
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Give him a chance to do what, do you think I'm bullying him or asking him to think too hard.



Why are you sticking up for him, do you know him?

rothwellranger Posted on 2/9 18:17
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As a Leeds fan I'm not even sure my opinion is welcome on here, but I'm going to give it anyway.

It's very unfair to claim that Woody was happy in Spain because racism is rife over there. Remember Woodgate learned his trade from and is a very close friend of Lucas Radebe, who grew up in South Africa under the apartheid system and has been an anti racism ambassador for FIFA.

His nickname at Leeds was "village" because he was an idiot. A young lad with the world at his feet, pockets stuffed with more money than normal people can imagine and some very unsavoury Teeside rough-neck mates.

How many people on here can honestly say that they never did anything in their late teens or early twenties that they regret? I certainly cant.

Leave him alone and let him be the best player that 'Boro have ever had, because he certainly can be.

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Boro_Owl Posted on 2/9 18:27
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Well said rothwellranger.

"Why are you sticking up for him, do you know him?"

Why are you slagging him off? Do you know him?

capio Posted on 2/9 18:52
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The only thing I take issue with are his 'rough-neck mates'. They’re mostly from a leafy middle class neighbourhood and good lads, they made a mistake under severe provocation.

rothwellranger Posted on 2/9 18:58
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Christ, an owl agreeing with a Leeds fan.

I've just read the article that Jeff_Lebowski posted and I have never read such drivel.

600 witnesses were interviewed and only one said they heard anyone mention the word "paki". I won't even give you one guess as to who gave that statement.

Also remember that the judge stated clearly that there had been no racial motive for the attack and that the first trial had collapsed because on the eve of the verdict Nejeibs father sold a story to a sunday tabloid that Britain is a racist country and he wished they had never moved here.

Dont be fooled into thinking that Woodhgate "got off" because he had top lawyers and the Najeib's didn't. Najeib had the same lawyer that took on the Steven Lawrence case, paid for by the newspaper that printed the story.

capio Posted on 2/9 19:00
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Roth more importantly, just how good was he on the pitch? Better than Rio?
Will you go up this year?

We still haven't forgiven you for celebrating our relegation at Elland road

rothwellranger Posted on 2/9 19:01
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Fair play if that's true capio.

I remember that the lad who was foud guilty was called "Clifford" and was an amateur boxer.

Boro_Owl Posted on 2/9 19:04
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roth, an owl and a boro fan. Savour the moment, this sort of stuff doesnt happen often for a leeds fan

rothwellranger Posted on 2/9 19:06
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As I've said mate, when he's fit, he's the best defender you'll ever see. You'll never see a player read the game like he does.

I'm not sure we will be up this year, our league has plenty of teams who will be there or there abouts. Hopefully we'll be in the mix when we get to easter.

Ok I celebrated when we sent you down, but only because we'd relegated that manctwat Robson.

capio Posted on 2/9 19:07
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I went to school with him roth and he was a good lad.

rothwellranger Posted on 2/9 19:12
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Fair play. Like I said, who's not got tanked up on a saturday night and gotten involved in something they really shouldn't have?

borobuddah Posted on 2/9 19:21
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"They’re mostly from a leafy middle class neighbourhood and good lads, they made a mistake under severe provocation"

Whats the leafy middle class neighbourhood they are from got to do with it?

People from places like that don't commit crime?

Severe provocation? Which was?

capio Posted on 2/9 19:22
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Buddah zzzz. Go and have an early evening nap old man.

damit1968 Posted on 2/9 19:23
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Whether he did it or not is not the issue, he was tried and convicted and has paid the price for his crime...he hasn't been in trouble since and I think it is time for people to move on...

We have a world class centre back at the club who happens to be a boro lad, I for one am very happy indeed

borobuddah Posted on 2/9 20:04
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You have a real problem answering questions Cappi don't you.

Doesn't help your credibility at all, you know.

Bully_Boy Posted on 3/9 3:26
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I didn't google the court case as you get a bias report (like your first link), I read through the transcripts of the case. Try reading the facts, your first link is a report from Sarfraz Najeib point of view.

The libel nonsense is a valid point, as this forum is subject to a lawsuit if the statements are not true. For example the following statement could be classed as libel...

"so tell me are you still into beating up asians outside nightclubs"

you are implying that the attack was racially motivated, which it wasn't and that he has done this on numerous occasions.

"hows your mate doing that took all the blame and got 6 years for that particular assualt?"

All report suggest that his mate was the guitly party in the assault and he even got charged with the offence - he even had massive forensic evidence against him. Woodgate had not one piece of forensic evidence linking him to the assault, in this day and age that is quite conclusive. His friend was found guilty and thats the end of the story.

"And im not a new poster 'stirring up trouble', Im a boro fan who has access to a P.C infrequently. Whatever your thoughts, it is important to discuss it."

It seems that this is your first post and you are indeed 'stirring up trouble'. Why is it important to discuss it it was over five years ago and has no relevance to him playing for the boro. He committed an offence and served his punnishment, why didn't you bring up boatengs speeding offence last year, he was found guity for doing 90mph in a 50mph zone which could have killed someone - Same logic.

red_ruth Posted on 3/9 11:11
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I know I was going to not post again but I feel i have to write.

I was an idiot yesterday to write what I wrote about woodgate. I lost sight of the fact that there is a human being at the end of this and he has friends and family. I apologise if I caused offence, which undoubtedly I would of.

It was a heat of the moment thing and once again I would like to retract my comments, they were out of order.

I do not in any way want to link woodgate with racism and I should of known better.

I wish him the best of luck at the boro

once again I apologise

joseph99 Posted on 3/9 11:21
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As far as MFC/Boro fans - Woodgate are concerned: it's either a win-win or a lose-lose situation, however, either way it will be Woodgate's decision.

capio Posted on 3/9 14:26
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Fair play to you red ruth.

borobuddah Posted on 4/9 2:11
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Crapio has a moment of clarity.



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Abutor Posted on 4/9 8:38
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borobuddah you are making yourself look like an idiot.

blotonthelandscape Posted on 4/9 8:46
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This thread should be pulled.

How faceless people on a cyber board can destroy the character of a young lad who was pretty much found guilty of nothing more than cheating at tiddlywinks is beyond.

When the first stone is thrown its going to hit quite a few on here.

capio Posted on 4/9 8:58
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I agree but I hope people remember who lambasted him when he (hopefully) has a storming season, I doubt they will be man enough to admmit they were wrong (like the man himself has).

Cross_Of_St_George Posted on 4/9 10:28
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Woody will become a Boro legend providing we can hang onto him for more than one season. Anybody claiming otherwise is quite simply bitter and jealous of his success.