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capio Posted on 6/11 19:47
Southgate isnít going anywhere

Nor should he, I am embarrassed by the clowns calling for his head after such a short period.
Get behind the team and be patient.

scoea Posted on 6/11 19:54
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Couldn't agree more. The players are letting him down at the moment but he needs backing, not calls for his head, especially since Gibbo will remain loyal to him.

ste_north_stand Posted on 6/11 19:57
re: Southgate isnít going anywhere

The players are letting him down to a degree but then some of the systems he is coming up with are mind boggling. I mean taking out only really creative outlet in Downing and putting him out of position on the right was mind boggling. We have the players to play much more balanced sides than we are at present at that is frustrating me. Nobody should be calling for his head but he really does need to pick a settled, balanced side and stick with it for w few games instead of tinkering when there's no real need.

Bukowski_MFC Posted on 6/11 20:09
re: Southgate isnít going anywhere

well said ste.

capio Posted on 6/11 20:12
re: Southgate isnít going anywhere

I donít agree, I can completely understand why he played Downing on the right, he is simply trying to inject as much quality into the team as possible.
Didnít Giggs play right midfield in the cl final?

ste_north_stand Posted on 6/11 20:13
re: Southgate isnít going anywhere

I dunno where Giggs played but i do know the fact Downing lasted about 15 mins on the right before Arca wasted 30 minutes out there said it all.

tacker Posted on 6/11 20:14
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Get your nut round this, capio.

Starts Arca on the left after 2 months out....plays Downing on the right....leaves Morrison (our only good "speedy" right wing outlet) on the bench.

Eh?

Turner_86 Posted on 6/11 20:20
re: Southgate isnít going anywhere

FFS! plenty of people on this messageboard were suggesting Downing on the right Arca on the left before the Man City game! He can't win!

He is trying different formations because some of the players he has are either shyyte or not interested!

He is doing his best with McClarens leftovers, besides a few additions of his own.

He needs time.

Lets have a big chorus of Gareths Southgates red army on saturday, COME ON BORO!

fatharrywhite Posted on 6/11 20:22
re: Southgate isnít going anywhere

downing isnt a right winger and never will be. saying giggs played their is meaningless. mainly cos at the moment downing is nowhere near the talent of ryan giggs at his peak (which he was then).

i agree that we should be giving him his backing but at the sametime southgate isnt doing himself any favours by picking sides that had McClaren picked last season would have got slated for.

He's got to show balls and that means either playing pogatetz at centre half where he is quality (and drop Huth or woody) or drop him cos everyone knows he isnt and never will be a left back.

right midfield is the main problem and at the moment the only logical player to play their is Morrison.

I dont see why a team of schwarzer, davies (or xavier), huth, woody, taylor, morrison, boat, euell, downing, yak and massimo cant get a few good results under their belt

scoea Posted on 6/11 20:22
re: Southgate isnít going anywhere

I could see why he picked the team he did against Watford. I wouldn't have done but certainly wouldn't criticise Gate for giving it a go.

capio Posted on 6/11 20:22
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"leaves Morrison (our only good "speedy" right wing outlet) on the bench"

If Morrison was performing to a reasonable level he would be in the team, at present he has 5 bad games for 1 good game. He has talent, but he is not ready to start in the prem week in week out, whether he ever will be only time will tell.

scoea Posted on 6/11 20:23
re: Southgate isnít going anywhere

I cannot see where the criticism of Pogo at left back is coming from. Having watched each of the games he has played at left back this season I can't think of anything he has done wrong there. I think people have it in their heads that he can't play there and struggle to shake that mindset.

ste_north_stand Posted on 6/11 20:23
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Yes many people were wanting Downing on the right, but then many people wanted Brad Jones in ahead of Schwarzer a few months ago.....doesn't really mean anything does it! I am backing Gate to get it right but it'll be later rather than sooner if he keeps playing people grossely out of position.

capio Posted on 6/11 20:26
re: Southgate isnít going anywhere

ďdowning isnt a right winger and never will be. saying giggs played their is meaningless. mainly cos at the moment downing is nowhere near the talent of ryan giggs at his peak (which he was then).Ē

Actually the only thing meaningless if your comment on the subject, everything is relative and of course Downing isnít as good as giggs but then Watford are not as good as Bayern Munich were.
Also Downing is better with his right foot than Giggs ever was.

The point is, the teams best left winger played right wing as it was a problem position, so to say a left winger should never play right per se as many are doing is clearly incorrect.

Also I have seen Downing play on the right side under McClaren late in games and has done a good job there, it gives him more goal scoring chances.

Bukowski_MFC Posted on 6/11 20:26
re: Southgate isnít going anywhere

Taylor should be reinstated at left-back.

Southgate blatantly put Poggy in at left-back cos he did not deserve to be dropped on his form at centre-back. He has tried to accomodate all our centre-backs (as none would be happy on the bench) by playing one out of position which is a cop out really isn't it. Sometimes you have to make difficult decisions and Southgate made the wrong one.

Drop one of your centre-backs Gareth and put Taylor back in the team. He has had one dodgy 45 minutes all season and deserves his place.

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Turner_86 Posted on 6/11 20:28
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It does mean something when the same people who suggested it most likely criticised him afterwards.

Pog does well at left back defensively, but he doesn't do anything going forward, he just thumps the ball up to the Yak, which is a complete waste of time. Arca would work well with Stewy, as was proven with Sunderland in a short spell. Two players on the same wavelength going forward.

holgate_rochey Posted on 6/11 20:33
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I'm behind Southgate, but wish he would have the bottle to Play Poga at Centre back and Taylor at left back, we are alot more solid with them 2 in them 2 positions, if it means dropping Huth or Woody, so be it.

Southgate should not be trying to accomodate players, i.e. Arca, and Poga at left back.

Turner_86 Posted on 6/11 20:36
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Surely Arca was bought to play left back. We sold Frankie and bought Arca the next day near enough.

Plus why would we have signed another left winger when we have Downing and Johnson...?

fatharrywhite Posted on 6/11 20:36
re: Southgate isnít going anywhere

he has been ok at left back but the defence wasnt broke so why change it?

davies, woody, pogotetz, taylor was working perfectly ok.

It just smacked of paying 5 million for huth so feeling as though he had to play him.

ste_north_stand Posted on 6/11 20:38
re: Southgate isnít going anywhere

You should always pick your best team in my opinion. I think HUTH is better than Pogatetz although Pogo has been superb this season. Pogo should either play centre half or not play at all. You can't get away with playing 2 centre halves at full back in this division. You need at least one of them to give some attacking threat.

holgate_rochey Posted on 6/11 20:43
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Huths quality, but its not right that he should walk into Poga's(player of the season so far)position just because he is the big money signing, if anything I'd have Poga and Huth as the 2 centre backs at the minute.

Turner_86 Posted on 6/11 20:44
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Exactly, if you just pick your best team on paper each week, what's the point in the fringe players even trying?

Pog has to be the first name on the team sheet for me, at centre back.