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BobUpndown Posted on 7/11 10:11
Hadji Diouf has been arrested

again.. yes Sam.. again..

Link: bad lad..

GillZean Posted on 7/11 10:13
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But what has he done that was against the law?

















asks mickbrown.

towz Posted on 7/11 10:19
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he's a lovely fella

Lucky_Alf Posted on 7/11 10:19
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And Schwarzer took ages to take a goal kick once upon a time.

wolfgang_nutsnbolts Posted on 7/11 10:19
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He's a low-life

Camsell_345 Posted on 7/11 10:51
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Well that has shocked me.....













who the hell would Marry him?

rararasputin3 Posted on 7/11 10:52
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Did he spit at her, or has he at least learnt that lesson now?

Lucky_Alf Posted on 7/11 10:53
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Is Valerie a man or a woman?

Camsell_345 Posted on 7/11 10:55
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But wasn't he given a suspended sentence for the spitting incident here?

borobuddah Posted on 7/11 11:00
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Bad mood in the morning eh?

Mebbe he was late for the early church service.

Bet his wife doesn't press?

Boromart Posted on 7/11 11:02
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Mick must be ill if he hasn't responded yet. He will comeback with something not very witty about Woodgate or Xavier.

Capybara Posted on 7/11 11:04
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And you can't move for the wit on this thread. Obsessed.

Camsell_345 Posted on 7/11 11:04
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Borobuddah his wife doesn't have to press charges the police can still prosecute anyway without her authority as it is a criminal matter and the fact they intervened suggests that this is the case here.

borobuddah Posted on 7/11 11:09
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Hmm, oh yes.

Seen the Gillian Taylforth story today?

3 stitches in a head wound, she refused to press, he got a caution.............

Camsell_345 Posted on 7/11 11:11
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I am not saying they will i am saying they can.

borobuddah Posted on 7/11 11:14
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You are right, of course.

Some forces are waking up on domestic violence, it's a rarity though.

The volume of offences where I work in London is frightening, clear up rate laughable when they know who the perpetrators are, sanctioned detections are a disgrace.

--- Post edited by borobuddah on 7/11 11:20 ---

Camsell_345 Posted on 7/11 11:16
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It is an alarming statistic and one that needs addressing, but getting back to the original post it will be interesting how fat sam white washes over this one.

mickbrown Posted on 7/11 11:17
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that's not good.

its also got nowt to do with the club

Lucky_Alf Posted on 7/11 11:19
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Spit has got nowt on ole Stig.

Camsell_345 Posted on 7/11 11:19
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No one said it does mick we are merely saying how you lot have stuck up for this odious little thug before, so will this change now he shown his true colours again.

The_Lizards_Jumpers Posted on 7/11 11:20
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Doesnt he play for you anymore, if so it's everything to do with the club - he's an employee of the club and tarnishes heir *ahem* good name.

borobuddah Posted on 7/11 11:21
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It will do if your big head apologist manager opens his fat gob.

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George1507 Posted on 7/11 11:21
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He really is a nasty unpleasant little man. I have yet to find any redeeming feature about him.

If he suffered a career ending knee injury, I think i would be secretly pleased.

GillZean Posted on 7/11 11:25
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'secretly'??

ffs.

mickbrown Posted on 7/11 11:25
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camsell - when have I stuck up for him?

Lizards - does Woodgate's form tarnish your club? No thought not.

Lucky_Alf Posted on 7/11 11:27
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It tarnished Leeds AT THE TIME.

mickbrown Posted on 7/11 11:28
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As I said, it's got nothing to do with the club.

rararasputin3 Posted on 7/11 11:28
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Woodgate has in the past been a horrible scum bag, though not on Boros payroll when he was. Hadji Diouf has been and continues to be a horrible scum bag.

GillZean Posted on 7/11 11:30
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Number of times Woodgate has been in trouble with plod =1. No. of years ago=5(??)

And for Diouf....

mickbrown Posted on 7/11 11:30
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Nice, so it only counts if you're a horrible scumbag when you're paying them?

What Woodgate did had nothing to do with you. It also had nothing to do with Leeds. Same with Diouf.

GillZean Posted on 7/11 11:30
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mick,

be a man and condemn him. Go on, try it.

mickbrown Posted on 7/11 11:31
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GillZean - and your point is?

Lucky_Alf Posted on 7/11 11:31
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Dont be daft, how can a player of a club have anything to do with that club?

Sheesh.

mickbrown Posted on 7/11 11:32
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Gill - its not good, its indefensible but again, its got nowt to do with the club.

GillZean Posted on 7/11 11:33
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So stop defending it.

Call him a scumbag, It's what he is. How many examples do you need?

And look up the word 'cathartic'.

mickbrown Posted on 7/11 11:33
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Lucky_Alf - for all I know you might love nothing more than a night in in your fishnets with a tangerine in your mouth and a big tub of KY jelly.

Is that any of your employers business?

mickbrown Posted on 7/11 11:34
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GillZean - please lead me to the post where I defended him.

Christ, it's like some of you can't read

Camsell_345 Posted on 7/11 11:35
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We are referring to the spitting incident mick you did stick up for him over that.

mickbrown Posted on 7/11 11:36
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Camsell - no I didn't. Don't know how many times i have to say this.

GillZean Posted on 7/11 11:37
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mick,

the 'man' is a complete weasel. He has shown himself to be over and over again. Yet you won't say #### all bad against him. Why not?

Capybara Posted on 7/11 11:38
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Some people making themselves look silly on here.

Camsell_345 Posted on 7/11 11:40
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Mick gazza played for us but he was the worst player we ever had and alot of boro fans disliked him when he was here he was the wrong player for us.

Mikkel beck was a cheat he would dive at every opportunity sometimes almost comically so in fact he once went down and the crowd just shouted get up you girl.

see being a boro player does not mean they are perfect, and diouf is a horrble little creep.

GillZean Posted on 7/11 11:44
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mick,

HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeellllllllllllloooooooooooo!!!!!

mickbrown Posted on 7/11 11:46
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GillZean - what do you want me to say?

What the bloke has been accused of is wrong, very wrong. Do you want me to go through my thesaurus for words similar to antichrist? Seems your doing well enough.

*imagine Gill frothing at the mouth as he types.

GillZean Posted on 7/11 11:50
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Mick,

On the plethora of evidence available in the public domain, what do you think of the aforementioned 'playa'. And what would you think of him if he played for, let's say, Man U (or another big club, similar to Bolton).






Imagines mick, secretly liking the comparison.

mickbrown Posted on 7/11 11:54
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Using the "the plethora of evidence available in the public domain" he's not the sort of bloke I'd like a pint with.

So again using "the plethora of evidence available in the public domain", what your view of Woodgate?

--- Post edited by mickbrown on 7/11 11:55 ---

sparkins Posted on 7/11 11:57
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Mick, I doubt it is any consolation, but I happen to agree with you on this one.

trodbitch Posted on 7/11 11:59
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We don't know the facts people, she might have provoked him.

GillZean Posted on 7/11 12:00
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Woodgate used to knock about with some wrong 'uns.

He seems to have put it behind him and hasn't been in trouble since the fight in Leeds to the best of my knowledge, and now seems to be a level headed lad (from what I've seen of his interviews).

So, what do you think?

mickbrown Posted on 7/11 12:02
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About Woodgate? Again not the sort of bloke I'd like a pint with.

Boromart Posted on 7/11 12:02
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Capy why are we obsessed if we don't like the man. This is a public forum and if we wish to discuss EHD then we will. There is no need to try and belittle people that want to talk about him.

You seem obsessed in showing how superior you are for not being obsessed, now that is a sad obsession.

Boromart Posted on 7/11 12:06
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Mick, Woodgate is a reformed character. He learn from his mistake and became a model professional. Do you not agree? Do you not think that people should be given a second chance? Have you ever got drunk and acted a bit of a nob? I think we a ll have.

Now what about Diouff, how many chances does he need, before he learns?

sparkins Posted on 7/11 12:10
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Boromart, certainly from my side I see Diouf as an odious recidivist, with a distinct lack of class or brain. However, I fail to see how it relates to Bolton Wanderers. I don't seem to recall the same accusations being thrown at Liverpool when Cisse assaulted his pregnant wife having six months before assaulted a 15 year old boy.

GillZean Posted on 7/11 12:12
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I'd forgotten the drink driving.

Oh and the Legal Aid.

Rsoul.

Link: here we go again

GillZean Posted on 7/11 12:13
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Don't THINK Cisse ever spat at any of our fans, or cheated as much, but I MIGHT be wrong.

Capybara Posted on 7/11 12:13
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There's barely a week goes by without a thread on this character. And it's usually the same posters. That's obsession. And it's a public message board so I'm allowed to comment on it. And given that, in five years of posting on this board, this is the first time I've made such a comment then that's hardly being obsessive. There's plenty of other positive or, at least, neutral things to be obsessed about.

--- Post edited by Capybara on 7/11 12:18 ---

mickbrown Posted on 7/11 12:17
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Boromart - when pissed I've never done anything remotely like Woodgate or Diouf. Still wouldn't want a pint with either one of them and definitely wouldn't pronounce one as a hero.

GillZean you can list as many offences as you like. Still got NOWT TO DO WITH THE CLUB

(capital letters for the hard of reading)

GillZean Posted on 7/11 12:19
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So you'd go as far as saying you wouldn't like to have a pint with him?

Blimey. That's put him in his place.

He'll probably change his ways now.

sparkins Posted on 7/11 12:21
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Like I said gill, he is a turd of the highest order who never seems to learn his lesson, yes he dives, as do some of our players. Fact is Bolton won't sack him because:

a) legally it would be a flaky case and would probably end up as a wrongful dismissal suit.

b) like him or not, he is a damn good player and those are hard to find.

Boromart Posted on 7/11 12:22
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- Cisse, I was not aware that he had done such things. He obviously pays lots of money to make the impact in the press as small as possible. If he has done this he is just as much of a (unt as Diouff.

Capy, Obsession isn't percieved as a good trait, especially when its obsessive hatred, so I can only presume you feel you are better than those that are 'obsessed'. You knew what was coming, so if you don't like it then why on earth did you open the thread? You must have an obsession to show how superior you are, because you had to read it, and had to comment on it.

I was spot on about Mick though, I new he would try and deflect any critiscism of a Bolton player by trying to divert attention to Woodgate. Its his only tactic because Diouff is morally bankrupt, as is the team he plays for.

GillZean Posted on 7/11 12:23
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I was wondering if mick would like to go to Iraq and cast his 'wouldn't like to go for a pint with him' condemnation on Saddam.

That would save all the furore of a public execution and the subsequent civil war between Shias and Sunnis.

Even if the backward oafs don't have pints.

mickbrown Posted on 7/11 12:24
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Gill - I leave the gnashing of teeth and hyperbole to others. Some are much better than me at it.

Boromart Posted on 7/11 12:28
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I see your selectively answering the questions posed to you again Mick!So I'll ask again....

1) Woodgate has learn from his mistake and became a model professional. Do you not agree?

2) Do you not think that people should be given a second chance?

3) Have you ever got drunk and acted a bit of a nob? I think we all have. - rather than a straight answer, you just said you hadn't done anything like Diouff or Woody!

4) Now what about Diouff, how many chances does he need, before he learns?

mickbrown Posted on 7/11 12:33
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Boromart

Got drunk and acted a knob? Not so that it has affected anybody else no. Beating somebody up or drink driving is more than acting a knob.

How many chances does Diouf needs? Don't know - how many are you prepared to give him? So you're allowed a second chance then? What about a third or a fourth? What should happen to him?

trodbitch Posted on 7/11 12:37
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Must admit, Mick is shtting all over you lot. Keep it up, Mick.

Lads, if you need to try THAT hard to convince someone, it might not be that good an argument.

mickbrown Posted on 7/11 12:40
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"I was wondering if mick would like to go to Iraq and cast his 'wouldn't like to go for a pint with him' condemnation on Saddam."


Now, what was I saying about hyperbole?

mickbrown Posted on 7/11 12:42
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Boromart - I didn't try to deflect the critism onto Woodgate. Gill asked me what I thought of Diouf, I told him and asked him what he thought of Woodgate. Fair enough, given the similar circumstances, don't you agree?

Boromart Posted on 7/11 12:43
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Still avoiding straight answers mick!

1) Woodgate has learn from his mistake and became a model professional. Do you not agree?

2) Do you not think that people should be given a second chance?

Tweek Posted on 7/11 12:45
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Woodgate is also a British Citizen and so is not subject to visa conditions unlike diouf who's actions should really lead to that visa being revoked (unless he has wangled french nationality).

Boromart Posted on 7/11 12:47
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oh and Mick you brought Woodgate into this thread on your very first post, nobody had said anything about Woody and no one thinks he is 100% a saint.

You just attempted to shift focus from defending Diouff, into attacking Woody, because Diouff is a morally bankrupt individual, and is therefore indefensible.

...oh and there is nothing similar with Woodys circumstances. He acted loutish and got involved in a fracas (which was proven NOT to be race related, although the popular press would like you to believe otherwise). He took his pnishment, and has been a model citizen and model professional on and off the field since. Diouff however has a string of offences and morally dplorable actions, showing contempt on a regular basis for his fellow man.

Any differances are far greater than any similarities.

--- Post edited by Boromart on 7/11 12:51 ---

mickbrown Posted on 7/11 12:49
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Avoiding answers? Sorry didn;t know I had to list them bullet point stylee.

Woodgate - hasn't been in trouble since, so in that respect he's been a model pro.

Second chance - yeah, why not?

Now, answer my questions, since you are big on QandA

GillZean Posted on 7/11 12:55
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Mick,

You asked shouldn't he have a third and fourth chance? No, he shouldn't.

You avoided my question as to what you would think of him if he didn't play for the Trottingouttheusualexcusers.

Yes, I am better at hyperbole than you.

And I wouldn't want to go for a pint with you if you had never done something you regretted whilst drunk (excluding driving and beating up your wife)

mickbrown Posted on 7/11 12:56
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Attacking Woodgate? Far from it. Just asked Gill's views on him given the similarities.

norfolkred1 Posted on 7/11 12:56
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Bet he goes for legal aid again, and gets it.

mickbrown Posted on 7/11 12:58
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Gill - never said I'd never done something I'd regretted when I was drunk - course I have. I've never done something somebody else has regretted though.

If he didn't play for us? I'd think the same of him as I do now.

Boromart Posted on 7/11 12:58
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I was prepared to answer yours when you answered mine. Its a two-way street this debating lark. Although your answers do appear appear churlish in the extreme.

- So you're allowed a second chance then? What about a third or a fourth? What should happen to him?

Everyone deserves a second chance. After that it should be on a case by case basis. Diouff has shown a consistant lack of respect for his fellow human being, so in his current state of mind he is still scum. He has shown no intention of learning. It really isn't difficult to stay out of trouble, IF you want to. He obviously doesn't care about society and other people. He has done nothing to sort himself out, just hide behind the excuse that 'I'm a young lad', in a 'foreign country', its 'hard for me'...excuses, excuses, excuses.

- Fair enough, given the similar circumstances, don't you agree?
See my previous post for the answer to this one.

Your argument in defense of Diouff is that Woody had a problem once. Well thats a pretty weak come back, as our lad sorted himself out, yours hasn't. If you want to find an ex-Boro player who didn't sort himself out pick Gazza or Merson....both of them hated on Teesside.

--- Post edited by Boromart on 7/11 13:02 ---

GillZean Posted on 7/11 12:59
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Which you still haven't spelt out.....

mickbrown Posted on 7/11 13:04
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Boromart - I've not defended Diouf, I'll say it again shall I, just to be sure, I've not defended Diouf.

As you said Woodgate sorted himself out, took him a couple of goes, but he got there.

Diouf doesn't seem to learn. Maybe he will in the future.

norfolkred1 Posted on 7/11 13:05
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Hope he's bought his TV licence this year or does he pay in instalments because of his poor wages

Boromart Posted on 7/11 13:06
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Could you please explain in what way it took Woodgate a 'couple of goes'? A straight answer would be appreciated.

You are trying to defend him by comparison. Woodgate has absolutely nothing to do with Diouff, there is absolutely no reason to bring him up. If Diouff is still up to this stuff in another 5 years, and Woody has been straight for 10 years, will you STILL bring him up as a comparison????

--- Post edited by Boromart on 7/11 13:08 ---

GillZean Posted on 7/11 13:07
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'A couple of goes'. What was the other one, pray tell?

You've said several times you're not defending Diouf, but despite being asked what you really think, you still haven't had the common courtesy to answer the question properly.

Maybe he will learn. Maybe the hole in my arse will heal up.

mickbrown Posted on 7/11 13:08
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The Leeds incident wasn't the first bit of aggro he'd been involved in was it?

After that? The boy done good, to use footballing parlance.

Boromart Posted on 7/11 13:10
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I'll give you Evens that the later will happen before the former Gill! or 10/1 for Diouff to sort himself out first.

Boromart Posted on 7/11 13:11
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Could you please explain in what way it took Woodgate a 'couple of goes'? A straight answer would be appreciated....still waiting, or do you just beleive that because the popular press portrayed him as a thug then he must have had previous troubles.

GillZean Posted on 7/11 13:12
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Yes it was unless you know different.

Forgot the tv licence avoidance. Sorry.

So mick,














WHAT DO YOU really THINK OF DIOUF?

mickbrown Posted on 7/11 13:12
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Gill, I've already told you, he's not the sort of bloke I'd like a pint with. If that isn't extreme enough for you then sorry. Suppose I should be calling for immediate deportation or the amputation of various bodily parts, but as I said earlier, I'll leave the wailing and gnashing of teeth to you.

mickbrown Posted on 7/11 13:15
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"Could you please explain in what way it took Woodgate a 'couple of goes'? A straight answer would be appreciated....still waiting"

So me saying that Leed's wasn't the first time he was involved in aggro wasn't straight enough? Not sure how I can make it any straighter.

But as you said, he's moved on - good luck to him.

Boromart Posted on 7/11 13:19
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no its not a straight answer Mick. What exactly has he been involved in? All you have done is allude to some unnamed trouble, with no factually basis to this allusion. so come on, what other trouble was he involved in?

tacker Posted on 7/11 13:21
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Is it me, or is GillZeans point he's trying to prove is that Hadji is a horrible human being, and not relating this to Bolton Wanderers at all??

I'd like to see Mick's views if Woodgate was at Bolton, and Diouf was at Middlesbrough.

GillZean Posted on 7/11 13:23
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So someone who beats up his wife and spits at children who be thoroughly delat with you mick by having to have a drink with someone else.

It's a kangaroo court gone mad I tell you.

What about that Genghis Khan then. He was from Bolton wasn't he? What do you think of him.

Oh and, still waiting on the 'Woodgategate' exclusive.

mickbrown Posted on 7/11 13:24
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Boromart - He was arrested for beating up a student in Middlesbrough. Thought you'd have know that what with him being a local hero and all.

Boromart Posted on 7/11 13:27
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was he found guilty of this beating up?

mickbrown Posted on 7/11 13:28
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Has Diouf been found guilty of beating his wife up?

GillZean Posted on 7/11 13:30
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Did she do it herself, mick?

I can't believe you are condoning domestic violence, mick. You and your misogynistic attitudes belong in the Dark Ages.

Boromart Posted on 7/11 13:31
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he has been guilty of several things in recent years including violance.

mickbrown Posted on 7/11 13:31
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Again, where have I condoned domestic violence?

Jesus wept.

swordtrombonefish Posted on 7/11 13:32
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Doffs cap to mickbrown, a very creditable performance

GillZean Posted on 7/11 13:34
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"Has Diouf been found guilty of beating his wife up?"

And refusing to condemn him, which is why you were called as an expert witness on this thread in the first place.
Your silence speaks volumes.

Boromart Posted on 7/11 13:38
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so Mick what is his previous form then?

By the way it is alledged that the victim of the attack in Leeds was an odious little cretin, well known as a trouble maker in town. The violance he received may well have been well over the top, but he had something coming to him. Not that this excuses Woodgates involvement, but the press image that Woodgate and his 2 bully mates from Boro picked on one individual chased him and beat him because he was an asian is very far from the truth.

mickbrown Posted on 7/11 13:38
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Gill - you're just being silly now. Does you no credit.

mickbrown Posted on 7/11 13:42
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Boromart - I've told you what he was arrested for before.

So the lad in Leeds had it coming to him? Nice.

GillZean Posted on 7/11 13:44
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He was a weasel, mick, it's true.

And some people do have a kicking coming to them. Hopefully your hero Mr Diouf is one of them.

Your refusal to condemn him does you no favours, mick. But you probably don't need me to tell you that. Or do you honestly have no feelings on the situation?

Boromart Posted on 7/11 13:49
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You told me what he was arrested for, not what he has done. People are arrested on allusions of violance everyday without justification. It didn't even get to court, and that is your sole piece of evidance on why it took him "a couple of goes" to sort himself out. Unbeleivable.

"So the lad in Leeds had it coming to him? Nice."
Except thats not what I said. I said "The violance he received may well have been well over the top, but he had SOMETHING coming to him. Not that this excuses Woodgates involvement". But don't let a bit of selective reading get in the way of being an arrogant fool.

--- Post edited by Boromart on 7/11 13:50 ---

trodbitch Posted on 7/11 13:56
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Boromart, he had SOMETHING coming to him? A chinese burn? A wedgey? I suspect you can only mean kicking when you say a sentence in the context of Woodgate and his mates chasing a lad down and causing physical harm.

Your looking rather pathetic yet fair play for Mick for keeping his cool in the face of such tvvattery.

mickbrown Posted on 7/11 13:57
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Boromart - arrogant? Moi?

Selective reading? Ok then we'll use your words.

So the lad in Leeds had something coming to him? Nice

Is that any different? Not sure it is is it?

"You told me what he was arrested for, not what he has done. People are arrested on allusions of violance everyday without justification."

So you saying that Diouf might not have done it?

mickbrown Posted on 7/11 13:59
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Gill - I've told you my feelings. I'll sup with anybody even a numpty like you.

GillZean Posted on 7/11 14:01
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mick, you won't.

I don't drink with people who think domestic violence is not a serious crime.

And you never go to matches. FACT.

Vinny_Garstroke Posted on 7/11 14:04
re: Hadji Diouf has been arrested

Boromart you are talking out of your arse. It's common knowledge that Woodgate was, and actually still is, a tvvat.

mickbrown Posted on 7/11 14:10
re: Hadji Diouf has been arrested

Now Gill, you're being silly. Again.

Boromart Posted on 7/11 14:10
re: Hadji Diouf has been arrested

Mick, Diouff may well be innocent, lets see.

The thing with the asian student lad is that if you and yer mates get all cocky and aggressive in peoples faces on a regular basis, eventually someone a lot bigger and a lot harder will bite. Thats all I'm saying, he wasn't some innocent little victim, whose life was ruined. Bad things often happen to bad people....you know this is what I mean, so why be so pedantic about it.

Vinny, it is not common knowledge that he is a terwat. It may be your opinion, others have good opinions of him.

--- Post edited by Boromart on 7/11 14:11 ---

Vinny_Garstroke Posted on 7/11 14:12
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Boromart, you really don't have a clue, if you actually think that.

Otley_Boro_Fan Posted on 7/11 14:13
re: Hadji Diouf has been arrested

Mick: I've done the night in wearing fishnets and lubricating myself with KY Jelly many times .... but why a tangerine in the mouth? That's just flippin kinky man!

mickbrown Posted on 7/11 14:18
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Boromart. I'm not being pedantic and I didn't know what you meant. How would I? I don't read minds. You said he "had something coming". Trying to explain yourself isn't helping, just leave it, you're digging a hole.

--- Post edited by mickbrown on 7/11 14:18 ---

trodbitch Posted on 7/11 14:22
re: Hadji Diouf has been arrested

boromart, that argument applies to victims of domestic abuse too. Sure, she must have provoked him eh? Ironic considering wht you are accusing mick of.

Boromart Posted on 7/11 14:23
re: Hadji Diouf has been arrested

Ah so you 'don't know what' I mean, so you made an assumption that fits your argument, yup that sounds about right for you Mick.

Like I said bad things happen to bad people. People that go around with guns tend to get shot, people who go around with knives tend to get stabbed, and people that go around being abusive and aggressive, tend to suffer from the same.

I am NOT making a statement that they deserved a beating, and have not although Mick and Trodbitch have assumed I have, and are trying there best to twist it into that. I am just stating a fact that people that start violance often become the victims of violance and they only have themselves to blame.


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GillZean Posted on 7/11 14:26
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mart,

Spot on about the Asian kid.

mick, still no condemnation then?

Boromart Posted on 7/11 14:28
re: Hadji Diouf has been arrested

Trodbitch, you are making the invalid assumption that domestic violance starts with one party provoking, when in fact it doesn't. It mostly starts with the aggressive party finding a reason (real or otherwise) to control and abuse. Its absolutely nothing to do with provocation and absolutely nothing like some scrote and his mates trying to provoke a couple of footballers with verbal abuse.

GillZean Posted on 7/11 14:31
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Correct.

mick. What do you think of Diouf?

mickbrown Posted on 7/11 14:32
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Boromart - however you wish to dress it up, you have said the lad was going to get a kicking sooner rather than later.

Nice.

mickbrown Posted on 7/11 14:32
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Gill - I've told you.

GillZean Posted on 7/11 14:34
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mick, he was.

and, no you haven't, you've given me some PR bullshat.

mickbrown Posted on 7/11 14:38
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PR bullshat? That's PR? Ace, that's a piece of piss.

* packs bag and heads for the gold paved streets of London

Boromart Posted on 7/11 14:40
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"however you wish to dress it up, you have said the lad was going to get a kicking sooner rather than later."
ah right, so now you DO know what I'm thinking even though I didn't say those words? You are one of those people that creates his opinion to fit his own world. Then selectively picks facts and staments to support his view, while ignoring and distorting anything that destracts from it. You need help.

Regarding your statement, what exactly would be morally wrong with it!

--- Post edited by Boromart on 7/11 14:41 ---

GillZean Posted on 7/11 14:43
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Is being a politician your day job?

How come you can reinterpret what everyone else says, but can't answer a straight question from me, which I have asked several times?

Your honest heartfelt opinion of Diouf is that you wouldn't go for a drink with him? That's it, nothing more, nothing less? Priceless.

mickbrown Posted on 7/11 14:47
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"By the way it is alledged that the victim of the attack in Leeds was an odious little cretin, well known as a trouble maker in town. The violance he received may well have been well over the top, but he had something coming to him"

That speaks for itself.

GillZean Posted on 7/11 14:48
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HHHHHHHHHHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

mickbrown Posted on 7/11 14:50
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Gill - I've given you my opinion on Diouf. A few times. I've told you, I'll leave the hang em high rhetoric to others.

Boromart Posted on 7/11 14:51
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does it really Mick, I must be such a terrible person for thinking such thoughts, oh how awful of me, I repent, I repent. FFS man get a grip, he was a nob, he got twated. He then played the victim to squeeze money out of some rich people. Get over it. It doesn't change the fact that Diouff is still an odious cretin and hasn't changed one little bit from the day he first stepped onto these shores. I just wish someone would rip up his work permit and deport him.

trodbitch Posted on 7/11 14:52
re: Hadji Diouf has been arrested

Boromart, your ability to put words in people mouths knows no bounds!

I did NOT say that domestic violence starts with one side provoking. I merely pointed out that you said that people tend to get what is coming to them, which is obviously not true using domestic violence as a prime example of this.

mickbrown Posted on 7/11 14:55
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Boromart - You're not very good at this lark are you?

GillZean Posted on 7/11 15:05
re: Hadji Diouf has been arrested

trod,

pot kettle black.

mick, here is a list of statements about El Hadji Diouf the Bolton Wanderers employee and former African footballer of the Year. Place a value of 0 to 10 next to each statement, 0 being strongly disagree, 10 being completely agree, spot on, gadge.

1)He has been instrumental in Wanderers fine start to the season.
2) He doesn't score as many goals as he should.
3)He is being paid 40,000 a week by Bolton.
4) He has had difficulty making friends.
5) He has stepped out of line on a few occasions.
6) He seems unable to differentiate between right and wrong.
7) He is unaware of some of the social mores in what is to him, an alien environment.
8) I would like to go for a pint with him.
9) He sometimes goes to ground a little too easily.
10) He is a disgrace, an irksome character with no outwardly redeeming qualities with a head like a loilipop, I wish he played for someone else, he is an embarrassment to the town of Bolton which has given us amongst others Pete Shelley, the bloke with the dirty looking woolly hat and a couple of people I've never heard of.
11)He is a vole and should be put in stocks and left to rot. Any Premierleague stadium would do, because most people hate him.

Thanks for your time. Please answer all questions.

Boromart Posted on 7/11 15:06
re: Hadji Diouf has been arrested

trodbitch you said - "boromart, that argument applies to victims of domestic abuse too. Sure, she must have provoked him eh? "

The argument that she must have provoked him to get a backhander? So tough lad, why on earth am I being a 'twat'? I have not said the lad deserved it, I just said that if you dish out violance, you usually end up receiving it.

" I merely pointed out that you said that people tend to get what is coming to them, which is obviously not true using domestic violence as a prime example of this."
I didn't say it is always true. Your introduction of domestic violance is a slightly off topic from the woodgate discussion, but when it becomes widely known that a man hits his wife, it often leads to him being beaten, I've seen/heard it several times.

--- Post edited by Boromart on 7/11 15:08 ---

Boromart Posted on 7/11 15:13
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neither are you Mick. You can't even answer simple questions. Maybe Trodbitch will pluck those splinters out of yer arse for you?

--- Post edited by Boromart on 7/11 15:14 ---

trodbitch Posted on 7/11 15:16
re: Hadji Diouf has been arrested

"The argument that she must have provoked him to get a backhander? So tough lad, why on earth am I being a 'twat'? I have not said the lad deserved it, I just said that if you dish out violance, you usually end up receiving it."

Sorry, but you DID NOT SAY THAT. You said:

"By the way it is alledged that the victim of the attack in Leeds was an odious little cretin, well known as a trouble maker in town. The violance he received may well have been well over the top, but he had something coming to him"

My point being that you alleged that the lad deserved it when you don't know this for a fact at all. Stop trying to squirm out of it.

"Your introduction of domestic violance is a slightly off topic discussion"

Read the title of the thread and tell me what he was arrested for. One guy (according to you 'alledgedly') was a trouble-maker, so deserved to be beaten. So what would Diouf's wife have to do to 'deserve' a beating?

Microwaveable_Pot Posted on 7/11 15:18
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Just so you know Mick Woodgate was convicted of affray which is only a public order offence (like swearing) because he threatened violence.

One offence for threatening violence.

Diouf has been found guilty of spitting on people three times.

Once on a celtic fan, once on De Zeuw and once on a little boy at the Riverside.

Most of us will have made threats of violence to other people at some point, most likely while hammered and making a tit of ourselves.

Even when I've been steaming I've always known spitting on someone would be a disgusting thing to do.

So here is a little test for you Mick which will pretty much seal peoples opinions on you.

What do you think of Diouf as a person for spitting on three different people on three different occasions.

As I get the impression you don't read things very carefully I'll ask that again with capitals to make it clear that "I wouldn't go for a drink with him" isn't an appropriate answer.

WHAT DO YOU THINK OF DIOUF AS A PERSON?

trodbitch Posted on 7/11 15:22
re: Hadji Diouf has been arrested

GillZean, say what you want but I don't enter into discussion with people who find the shape of someone's head a valid point in a discussion. And putting the words "pot kettle black" might have looked witty once over back in the fledgling days of the clique but it's still a weak response.

Boromart Posted on 7/11 15:28
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"My point being that you alleged that the lad deserved it when you don't know this for a fact at all. Stop trying to squirm out of it."
right I will tell you very slooooowwwwllllllyyyy. I DID NOT SAY HE DESERVED IT. I HAVE SAID HE HAD SOMETHING COMING TO HIM......I.E. IF YOU GET INVOLVED IN VIOLANCE YOU ARE MOST LIKELY TO RECIEVE SOME. Stop being a twat and telling me what I think and how my statemnts should be interpreted.

"One guy (according to you 'alledgedly') was a trouble-maker, so deserved to be beaten."
I NEVER SAID THAT.

"So what would Diouf's wife have to do to 'deserve' a beating?"
I THINK MY OPINION OF CISSES WIFE BEATING SHOWS THAT YOU ARE BARKING UP THE WRONG TREE - "If he has done this he is just as much of a (unt as Diouff.". LET ME SPELL IT OUT FOR YOU, THERE IS NO JUSTIFIABLE PROVOCATION FOR BEATING YOUR WIFE/GIRLFRIEND.


Please tell me are you deliberately misinterpreting or are you just stupid?

--- Post edited by Boromart on 7/11 15:29 ---

GillZean Posted on 7/11 15:29
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Trod,

I'm about as much clique as that make-up in Boots, cocker.

"Boromart, your ability to put words in people mouths knows no bounds!" There we go, that's what you said to mart, having reinterpreted his words ad nauseum. Is that better.

btw, it's not just the shape of his head.

Trodbitch, do you like Diouf? Do you find his behaviour acceptable?

Oh sorry you don't answer my questions, EITHER.

mickbrown Posted on 7/11 15:31
re: Hadji Diouf has been arrested

Microwave bloke - The Portsmouth gob didn't go to court. Spitting is horrible.

Gill - oh I like that, but i'll give a yes or no rather than rate it - that's too much effort.

1)He has been instrumental in Wanderers fine start to the season. Yes
2) He doesn't score as many goals as he should. Yes
3)He is being paid 40,000 a week by Bolton. Don't know
4) He has had difficulty making friends. Apparently he's very popular amongst the players
5) He has stepped out of line on a few occasions. Yes
6) He seems unable to differentiate between right and wrong. No
7) He is unaware of some of the social mores in what is to him, an alien environment. No, that's bollox
8) I would like to go for a pint with him. No
9) He sometimes goes to ground a little too easily. He does
10) He is a disgrace, an irksome character with no outwardly redeeming qualities with a head like a loilipop, I wish he played for someone else, he is an embarrassment to the town of Bolton which has given us amongst others Pete Shelley, the bloke with the dirty looking woolly hat and a couple of people I've never heard of. No
11)He is a vole and should be put in stocks and left to rot. Any Premierleague stadium would do, because most people hate him. A little harsh I feel.

trodbitch Posted on 7/11 15:42
re: Hadji Diouf has been arrested

Ok, fair enough Gill.

No, I don't like Diouf, nor do I find his behaviour acceptable.

I just don't see why Mick has to justify it while boro fans take the slightly hypocritical view that our players are whiter than white - that's all.



And mart:

"right I will tell you very slooooowwwwllllllyyyy." - I read that quickly to ruin your effect

"I DID NOT SAY HE DESERVED IT. I HAVE SAID HE HAD SOMETHING COMING TO HIM......I.E. IF YOU GET INVOLVED IN VIOLANCE YOU ARE MOST LIKELY TO RECIEVE SOME. Stop being a twat and telling me what I think and how my statemnts should be interpreted."

I apologise if I have misinterpreted what you have said but when people normally say "he had it coming" or "he had something coming to him" most right-minded people would see that as saying he deserved it. All you had to do is revisit and clarify your statement as people can only interpret your statements as they are written.

"One guy (according to you 'alledgedly') was a trouble-maker, so deserved to be beaten.
I NEVER SAID THAT."

You didn't say the word 'deserved' but you must surely see why your statement was perceived as such?

Boromart Posted on 7/11 15:50
re: Hadji Diouf has been arrested

I think you have misinterpretted me, that is the 'beauty' of messageboards, they can help you waste 2 hours of yourlife arguing with someone you agree with.

I guess if you read my statement from the view of a fatist (thats a derivative of Fate not Fat), then it is easier to understand.

--- Post edited by Boromart on 7/11 15:52 ---

GillZean Posted on 7/11 15:55
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mick, they weren't yes or no questions.

The spitting thing not going to court says more about Arjan de Zeeuw( I think it was) than the innocence of Diouf.

If spitting at other people is 'disgusting' and he has done it 3 times, what does that make you think?

mickbrown Posted on 7/11 16:19
re: Hadji Diouf has been arrested

Gill - I ain't doing it again. One thing that gets right on me paps is sliding scale questionnaires.

"If spitting at other people is 'disgusting' and he has done it 3 times, what does that make you think?"

That he's been disgusting 3 times.

GillZean Posted on 7/11 16:22
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And the rest of the time he's a stand up guy?

(When he's not ALLEGEDLEY beating his wife, drink driving, cheating at football, trying to cheat at football or not having a tv licence)

mickbrown Posted on 7/11 16:23
re: Hadji Diouf has been arrested

Dunno, never met the fella.

GillZean Posted on 7/11 16:24
re: Hadji Diouf has been arrested

mick, sometimes you have to do things you don't like. Life's like that I'm afraid.

Come on. 0-10. It'll only take you a minute. It took me 10 times longer than that to POST MESSAGE, ffs!! You wouldn't have to do it if you only had the moral fibre to actually criticise one of your own players.

GillZean Posted on 7/11 16:27
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Surprisingly, I've never met Harold Shipman, or Tony Blair, or all but 2 of the people on this board, but it doesn't stop me from having an opinion on them.

mickbrown Posted on 7/11 16:27
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Gill nah - can't be arsed.

I've given you yes, no's and a bit of detail as an added bonus.

Moral fibre - nice one.

Is that a breakfast cereal?

mickbrown Posted on 7/11 16:31
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"Surprisingly, I've never met Harold Shipman, or Tony Blair, or all but 2 of the people on this board, but it doesn't stop me from having an opinion on them."

And don't we fooking well know it.

GillZean Posted on 7/11 16:33
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Where can I vote for you mick, are you standing for 'mare?

Lucky_Alf Posted on 7/11 16:36
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Capy, would you say mickbrown is somewhat obsessive on this thread too?

Microwaveable_Pot Posted on 7/11 16:42
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Right Mick

I went to great length in my post to put the question to you

"WHAT DO YOU THINK OF DIOUF AS A PERSON"

Your answer

"The Microwave bloke - The Portsmouth gob didn't go to court. Spitting is horrible."

That doesn't answer my question. (And incidentally is totally irrelevant as we've all seen the TV footage proving it happening).

At first I thought you were stupid I don't think that anymore your just stubborn and not very mature.

You've already said that you "wouldn't go for a pint with him" so you obviously don't like him. It's just shows your a bit childish that you won't admit/say he is not a nice person.

So I put it to you again Mr Brown...

What do you think of Diouf as a person?

--- Post edited by Microwaveable_Pot on 7/11 16:43 ---

CheshireBoro Posted on 7/11 16:46
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Marvellous thread - and full marks to Mick (Wedding Present fan or otherwise).

Being arrested (to the best of my knowledge) doesn't mean "guilty of". True, he has "previous" to say the least, but I am not sure that makes him (or anyone) a wife beater. A "guilty" verdict in court would though.

PEople are only too happy to list his offences (whether convictions or not!) - but I will just give you this tiny snippet. When he was at Liverpool, he lived in the same road as a mate of mine (incidentally, Henri Camara now lives in the house), and his son and 2 firends went and did "trick or treat". He gave the 3 of them footballs and shirts and got the three of them tickets to a game at Anfield a few weeks later. A month later (and for about 3 months) he helped out at School football practice (A primary school in Warrington).

If he has knocked his wife about, I agree he deserves to be soundly punished - but he has not been convicted of that has he?? I am not making out that he is a pillar of society or anything, but it is WAY to easy to get caught up in all the same rhetoric.

Bad Lad? Probably, but not definitely.

--- Post edited by CheshireBoro on 7/11 16:48 ---

Capybara Posted on 7/11 16:51
re: Hadji Diouf has been arrested

No. Certain questions were posed directly to him and he responded. He was accused of saying things in the past (of defending Diouf) which he hadn't said, and he has defended himself. And made rather a good job of it.

Microwaveable_Pot Posted on 7/11 16:51
re: Hadji Diouf has been arrested

There you go MickBrown so you've got evidence of bad character and of good character.

What do you think of Diouf as a person?

Lucky_Alf Posted on 7/11 17:00
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Capy, that would be the case were it only the once, maybe twice.

I reckon 20 or 30 is pushing it slightly. Edit: I counted over 40 and gave up.

He's like a BoltonLegend....!!!

--- Post edited by Lucky_Alf on 7/11 17:02 ---

alien3 Posted on 7/11 17:11
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This has been a great debate,full marks to everyone involved.
The fact Mick would not have a pint with Diouf surely answers your question.
Incidently ,on the good side of him he was signing autographs etc for Boro fans when Boro played Bolton,shook hands etc.

alien3 Posted on 7/11 17:12
re: Hadji Diouf has been arrested

This has been a great debate,full marks to everyone involved.
The fact Mick would not have a pint with Diouf surely answers your question.
Incidently ,on the good side of him he was signing autographs etc for Boro fans when Boro played Bolton,shook hands etc.

alien3 Posted on 7/11 17:12
re: Hadji Diouf has been arrested

This has been a great debate,full marks to everyone involved.
The fact Mick would not have a pint with Diouf surely answers your question.
Incidently ,on the good side of him he was signing autographs etc for Boro fans when Boro played Bolton,shook hands etc.

GillZean Posted on 7/11 17:20
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alien, if you say something enough times, does it become true?

Aren't the wedding present from Leeds? A strange choice for someone from the wrong side of t'hills.

What do any of you Bolton fans think of him? Mick won't tell us. Resolutely indifferent is my impression, or maybe just Catholic denial?

Revol_Tees Posted on 7/11 17:26
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Can't be arrsed to read the whole thread, so I just jumped straight to the end. So apparently it's come out that "mickbrown would not have a pint with Diouf."



Bombshell. Until now I'd thought they were brothers.

GillZean Posted on 7/11 17:29
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RT,

If you can be arsed to read it, he does finally admit that 'he goes to ground a bit too easily'. Just wait til he is sold to a Saudi team like all the other Bolton rejects, then mickbrown will finally be able to vent his spleen on the Senegalese snide.