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Kilburn Posted on 4/12 10:22
Man U were the better side...

...so it doesn't matter that Ronaldo dived, because they 'deserved to win' because they played much the better football.

This is an argument that I have read and heard a number of times since Saturday evening.

It is also complete rubbish. It is tantamount to saying that the bigger clubs have a divine right to win.

The fact is that, with only a few exceptions (like us last year), when smaller clubs take points off the likes of Man Utd, Chelsea and Arsenal, it isn't by overwhelming them with superior football and playing them off the park. They don't have the players to do that. Instead they tend to do it by defending well and grabbing a goal.

Boro did that on Saturday but were denied their reward by a dive. If anyone argues that it doesn't matter on the basis that Man Utd played better anyway, then smaller clubs may as well not bother turning up.

BoroMutt Posted on 4/12 10:27
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Sadly for many, "smaller clubs may as well not bother turning up" is just about it. Fair play is a forgotten concept and the mighty dollar is all that matters.

Actually the fact that Ronaldo cheated and was rewarded is not nearly as unedifying as the media pundits attempts to justify or rationalise it.

Depressing, isn't it?

footeeshirts Posted on 4/12 12:52
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I agree, Ronaldo is a disgrace and I just wish he'd leave this country for good.

Can't agree with your sour grapes over losing though. Generally in football all of the arguments iron themselves out over a season. You can't cheer a decision one week because it goes for you then go overboard the next because you lose.
Jimmy FH handled the ball into the net last year against NUFC.....completely cheating, but I bet you Boro fans thought that was OK because it was against the club you hate, yet aspire to be like.

Swings and roundabouts, just accept like us up the road, your team are poor and you have a long hard slog to get even mediocrity out of this season.

wheelz Posted on 4/12 12:56
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the Roonster gave us some credit tho, unlike his effffin manager...

Link: shrek

Max_Headroom Posted on 4/12 12:58
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"Jimmy FH handled the ball into the net last year against NUFC.....completely cheating, but I bet you Boro fans thought that was OK because it was against the club you hate, yet aspire to be like."

Firstly, it was two years ago, the season after we won the cup. Secondly 'aspire to be like' - what exactly do Newcastle have at the moment that is anything to aspire to or be proud of?

Do one cockchops.

Ding_Dang_Boro Posted on 4/12 13:00
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They stuck one genuine goal in and cheated for the other. Why does that give someone the right to say they deserved to win. They couldnt finish and score anymore could they, so they obviously lacked something cause they couldnt score anymore. Only cheated there way to a win, you could look at the other point of view and say Boro held on well and deserved a draw.

RONALDO = SCUM

Andy_Lad Posted on 4/12 13:02
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Er he handled it into the net 2 years ago. Nothing wrong with it as it was against the geordies IMO.

This swings and roundabout arguments is bollox though. Studies have proven (well suggested) that the bigger clubs get more decisions than the so called smaller clubs, pointing out dubious goals that we've had awarded in the past does not prove that it all balances out - if you look at the dodgy decisions man yoo have had go for them compared to those that go against them I think you'll find it certainly doesn't balance itself out.

Derby_Red Posted on 4/12 13:03
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"Actually the fact that Ronaldo cheated and was rewarded is not nearly as unedifying as the media pundits attempts to justify or rationalise it."

Very succintly put indeed. And yes, it's depressing and clearly indicates to me the football authorities are condoning such behaviour by their lack of action against it. Has anyone heard a word about them doing anything about it?

Mat_Evans Posted on 4/12 13:04
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United were the better team overall on the day. But the dive changed the game. United went ahead and the pattern of play changed, it meant they could afford to stroke the ball round and play at their own pace.

By the way if i remember rightly andy o brian i think it was blatantly handled the ball in the box in the first half....swings and roundabouts mate

dave_catching Posted on 4/12 13:07
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Boro may have held out for a 0-0 draw if the penalty hadn't been given. Doubt we would have scored.

We started negative at home against Chelsea, West Ham and Man ure and on every occasion looked better once we went 442 yet we all know we'll see the 532/451 tripe again at home.

ccole Posted on 4/12 13:09
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Nobody at that game would have said it was an injustice if we had taken anything from it.

ccole Posted on 4/12 13:12
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double post

shighte board

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kermit_the_smog Posted on 4/12 13:13
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We started like a house on fire and looked dangerous and had a good spell of early pressure, however United slowly started getting into the game around the 15th min mark and then the penalty completely aided in them then controlling the rest of the half.

We were unlucky hitting the post shortly after and United realised they'd been let off

ste_north_stand Posted on 4/12 13:13
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I couldn't believe it on MOTD after our game when after watching Ronaldo cheat they somehow just got round to talking about how fantastic he's been this season. They even showed a clip of him being fouled by Lee. WTF?! There were probably about 20-30 fouls in the game, what's the point of showing that?

Gibsons_chequebook Posted on 4/12 13:24
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Ronaldo is, most pundits agree, the 'player of the season' so far.

kermit_the_smog Posted on 4/12 13:29
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He is a great player and a fantastic talent, he can just be frustrating with his antics.

After that dive to win a free kick he was laughing and giggling about for ages whilst our players contested the free kick

Boromart Posted on 4/12 13:32
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footeetshirt, "Generally in football all of the arguments iron themselves out over a season." - there has never been any proof of this. Its just something that the media say to deflect attention away fromt he ineptitude of match officials and the big club bias that is systematic in our game.

So far this year the following absolutely incorrect decisions have been made
- Viduka goal incorrectly ruled out against Reading cost us a point
- Yak pulled back in the box by Carvalho in the box, stonewall penalty, not given.
- Henry allowed to take a quick freekick against us even though the ref had told Boateng that they couldn't. Resulted in Boateng getting an unjust yellow, followed by a red.
- Howard not even booked for bringing Yak down in the box, could have been a red.
- Watford, Cattermole held in the box, would have been clean through, nothing given
- Ronaldo dive in the box.

For us - Christie goal was offside at Villa.

Net result we are one point down, a red card for Boateng down, several yellow cards down, and two penalties down.

I'lll let you know at the end of the year if things do in fact even out, somehow I don't think they do.

I truly believe that big club bias is institutionalised in the referees, we have had several major bad decisions go against us vs big clubs, and many dubiously harsh ones. remeber Ugo being sent off vs Arsenal when he didn't touch Cole? remember when the JAwees were big and Arnie was sent off and Given yellow carded? It happens all the time.....but when was the last time we earned a penalty vs a top 4 team that wasnt? or a top 4 player was wrongly sent off vs us? I can't remember it EVER happening in 25 years of watching the game.