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Lisbonlegend Posted on 7/12 8:57
Internal Politics at Work....

Is it advisable to get involved in the brawl between directors who are at loggerheads if you feel one of them is a stupid tvvat?

red_rebel2 Posted on 7/12 9:03
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No.

janplanner Posted on 7/12 9:03
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absolutely. dig in there, young man.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 7/12 9:25
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Even if they are arguing over one of my jobs because someone is upset that one director overruled him to hand the contract to a cheaper alternative of the same standing? Accusations of unsafe work and improper conduct have thrown without substantiated evidence or even speaking to the responsible officer in charge, ie. Me.

janplanner Posted on 7/12 9:26
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certainly. it's your duty to.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 7/12 9:28
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I went in and had a go at the production manager for his part in it yesterday and he said 'it's above me and you, I'm afraid' and smiled. Err, no it's fookin not when you start accusing people of unsafe practice when you don't know what you're talking about. They're a bunch of point scoring, back stabbing tos sers and I refuse to get embroiled in it. Well I did until it was my job that they picked on. The gloves are off....

janplanner Posted on 7/12 9:30
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get in there.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 7/12 9:42
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I'm just writing a large email to the MD criticising people who may not want to be criticised. I may be signing my own death warrant but it's the principle. They're like a bunch of stupid kids.

zoec Posted on 7/12 9:43
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It was nice knowing you, LL. Good luck for the future.

Elron_Hubbard Posted on 7/12 9:44
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Back the winner.

GtBB Posted on 7/12 9:44
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Just so long as the building society accepts monthly principles, you'll be alright. Give 'em moider.

Huan_Kerr Posted on 7/12 9:48
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MD's get those kind of emails every day...

"Dear MD,

I did not fk up like they said I did"

And the MD reads it thinking "WTF is that all about. Why is this man not able to defend himself without telling tales. He must have fkd up"

Which just makes matters worse.

If you fkd up, hold your hands up. If you didnt, its time for some toe to toe and claret with your accuser.

Man or mouse?

PapaJohn Posted on 7/12 9:49
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Lisbon, write the email , dont send it , stop, go for a walk have a coffee or a pint, come back re read and amend the email and then send, if u still feel appropriate.

In my exp its easy to send a mail but far better doing such things face to face, ask to see the MD for 5 mins for example.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 7/12 9:53
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Basincally someone is taking a backhander and spat his dummy out cos the director chose a cheaper quote to the one he advised. So he's made things difficult and things have kicked off....

My email starts like this....

All,

First of all I'd like to say how disappointed I am that I have to write this email.

It was brought to my attention yesterday that accusations of unsafe practice and incorrect protocol were made at boardroom level regarding a job that I was involved in. I am disappointed, concerned and embarassed that these accusations were made without first obtaining all the necessary information on the job or even speaking with the responsible officer in charge of the job, which was myself. These accusations cast a shadow over myself as the responsible officer and XXXX but I feel are based more on internal politics rather than actual fact which is unacceptable to me. What I also find unacceptable is that the XXXX contractor said to me that he would ask his boss never to deploy him to XXX ever again!!!

The job was perceived as a fairly minor job to connect the new QA portacabin to an electrical supply at the back of the fuel shed. For various reasons has taken 3 days to complete rather than one day. Every action taken over the course of this job was done with safety as the number one priority, mistakes were made during this job but none of it due to negligence or known improper practice. NTEC were a very professional outfit and whenever they were in doubt over any aspect of safety they would contact Neil Williams (Boss of XXXX) and myself for guidance. In turn I would seek guidance from Derick or the SOM before the task was undertaken.

The facts are as follows....

--- Post edited by Lisbonlegend on 7/12 10:10 ---

Lisbonlegend Posted on 7/12 9:56
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I know what you mean papa but they're are a lot of facts and it's quite a complex scenario to explain in 5 mins. It's a case of one upmanship at boardroom level of which I've been caught in the crossfire. I'd prefer to get everything down in writing in a factual manner to back up he actual case rather than their perceived case....

zoec Posted on 7/12 9:57
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I knew that portacabin was going to be nothing but trouble. And it's wonky.

Seriously, LL, don't send the email. Talk to him.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 7/12 10:00
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It's not wonky zoe!

I'm going to send the email to all concerned parties....They're all a bunch of muppets! Well half of them are....

Vinny_Garstroke Posted on 7/12 10:02
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This is a live contender for the least interesting thread ever posted on this messageboard.

piggy_nichol Posted on 7/12 10:04
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I wouldnt send it LL.

The function of directors is to stick their noses into to something half heartedly and cause problems for those below them.

Its your job to still get things done when they do this.

Is the electricity working? If so just forget about it.

captain5 Posted on 7/12 10:05
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You give him much more credit than he's due.

PapaJohn Posted on 7/12 10:07
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LL - i would also advise you edit the post which contains names and company names, we dont need to see that!

speckyget Posted on 7/12 10:08
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Portacabins? Fuel sheds? Connections? NTEC?

This is a live contender for the most interesting thread ever posted on this messageboard.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 7/12 10:12
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But Piggy, if the warring directors are affecting the reputation of the company and the ability to get things done then shouldn't this be brought to light?

janplanner Posted on 7/12 10:18
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seems a rather tedious email, from what i read anyhow. i don't suppose anyone will bother reading it anyway.

i've changed my mind. go and get yourself a steakbake and forget it ever happened.

joseph99 Posted on 7/12 10:20
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Firstly do a spell check as you seem to have at least one, quite embarassing

I would tone down you email. void using words such as poltics. Would suggest you tone in a way that looks forward and how practices should be put in place to avoid a reoccurance. Swallow hard some pride but just play the game. That email will incite not pacify, you should stick to the latter and that way you will come out smelling of roses.

Lincoln_Exile Posted on 7/12 10:22
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Don't do it Lisbon, just let them sort themselves out. You can then sit back smug in the knowledge that they'll never know what it felt like to be part of the all conquering Campus Allstars circa 1990.

FunkyPotatoe Posted on 7/12 10:26
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LL; there is a famous quoute.

'the memo is never sent to inform the recipient but moreover to protect the sender'

it's all political crap - but you need to stand your ground. Tone down your message and send it - like that Zoe lass says - put in your mail that you plan to speak to all concerned on a 1-1 basis to put the situation to bed in a positive not political manner!

piggy_nichol Posted on 7/12 10:31
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No, that is what directors do.

It is your job to put things right whilst still letting them think that they are helping.

You will only cause yourself more hassle if you dont play along with it. One day when you are a director you too can cause havoc with a well meaning but ill informed intervention.

trodbitch Posted on 7/12 10:31
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Don't send it. It's professional suicide. The world is full of nobs but quite often they are nobs in a position to fire you and anyone who might defend you. Let it go and when you get the chance to do it , stand by idly while they take the heat for something else down the line.

I always believe that people get what is coming to them and I've seen it enough times to prove it.

--- Post edited by trodbitch on 7/12 10:35 ---

captain5 Posted on 7/12 10:34
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What the bitch said.

Directors love to 'help' their staff in such a way that they usually stop you doing what you need to.

Get things down in writing for your own benefit, even in note form, so you can defend yourself if needs be, but it's not your place to make the first move. All you do is piss people off.

trodbitch Posted on 7/12 10:36
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"All you do is piss people off."

That's not even a typo, is it?

Lisbonlegend Posted on 7/12 10:42
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I think I have clogged arteries Jan so no more pastry products for me I'm afraid.

Puiggy - But my eamil is protecting one director and my manager who have taken a verbal thrashing over a pile of crap.

Joseph - Of course I was going to psell check it, I'm a pro.

Lincoln, maybe you're right....

FP - Maybe but I'ma company man and freedom fighter and if there petty arguments are stopping company progression then I need to wade in and sort it out.

Trodbitch - The production manager (an idiot) has got the engineering manager (up his own arse) and the production director (a bit of a tool) to gang up on my manager (not a happy bunny) and the Assistant managing director (doesn't like conflict). I'll make it 3 on 3....The managing director is the referee.

japsterboro Posted on 7/12 10:45
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Send it.

Why keep your mouth shut? If you don't agree with something, you shouldn't keep schtum just so the "boat is not rocked". Over turn the boat, let the feckers get thrown overboard and drown or devoured by the sharks ...

Lefty3668 Posted on 7/12 10:47
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I'd like to know how you know all this.

Perhaps you should start the e-mail off with 'Dear Sirs, I'm basing this all purely on tittle tattle but ...'

Don't send it. If you have to send anything just say that there are some rumours questioning your safe practice and you would like some reassurance on the matter and that you are obviously happy to supply any relevant information on the project.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 7/12 10:48
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Exactly japster, that's my feelings.

captain5 Posted on 7/12 10:57
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Keep us informed as to when your leaving do is please.

japsterboro Posted on 7/12 10:58
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Shoot first, ask questions later.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 7/12 11:26
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Good advice Lefty. I know this because my manager told me and then I spoke to the production manager....

Nedkat Posted on 7/12 13:42
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Three days to shove some leccie onto a portacabin ? WTF ? I'd of given you one hour, and wanted you back in 30 minutes ..

I've provided power to a 10,000 ton nuclear submarine in less than 30 minutes ...

--- Post edited by Nedkat on 7/12 13:42 ---

Huan_Kerr Posted on 7/12 13:45
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Why would a 'Fuel Manager' get involved in wiring a portacabin.

Bollox.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 7/12 13:53
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Exactly Ned. It took 4 hours to get through the inital paperwork.

Nedkat Posted on 7/12 13:54
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WHAT ... ?

Who is this company you work for ? 4 hours of crap before you get started ? We'd of lost the bloody war if they were in charge !

billybalfour Posted on 7/12 13:55
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Is it realy worth getting this wound up over a portacabin? theres people dying outta there!!

Huan_Kerr Posted on 7/12 13:58
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All,

First of all I'd like to say how disappointed I am that I have to write this email.

It was brought to my attention yesterday that accusations of unsafe practice and incorrect protocol were made at boardroom level regarding a job that I was involved in. I am disappointed, concerned and embarassed that these accusations were made without first obtaining all the necessary information on the job or even speaking with the responsible officer in charge of the job, which was myself. These accusations cast a shadow over myself as the responsible officer and XXXX but I feel are based more on internal politics rather than actual fact which is unacceptable to me. What I also find unacceptable is that the XXXX contractor said to me that he would ask his boss never to deploy him to XXX ever again!!!

The job was perceived as a fairly minor job to connect the new QA portacabin to an electrical supply at the back of the fuel shed. For various reasons has taken 3 days to complete rather than one day. Every action taken over the course of this job was done with safety as the number one priority, mistakes were made during this job but none of it due to negligence or known improper practice. NTEC were a very professional outfit and whenever they were in doubt over any aspect of safety they would contact Neil Williams (Boss of XXXX) and myself for guidance. In turn I would seek guidance from Derick or the SOM before the task was undertaken.

Reply from
Mr Smithers
Power Station
MD.

Dear Mr Legend

Thankyou for your email.

After investigating the matter we have taken the decision to terminate your employment immediately for the following reasons.

1) The Company does not do it's dirty washing on public messageboards, particularly one as shyte as FMTTM

2) On closer examination it is clear that you have spent more time on FMTTM than you have at work.

3) Mr XXXX reported that organising to have the QA portacabin wired was about the most demanding task he could trust you with and you have fked that up as well.

Regards
Smithers.

Nedkat Posted on 7/12 14:04
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There's people dieing outside he portacabin ?

LISBON !!! 4 hours of planning, and you end up connecting the live to the ground !!!!

Lisbonlegend Posted on 7/12 15:27
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The MD has just given a carpetting to the production director and production manager. The email is well and truly on, get the knife in whilst it's hot....

Lisbonlegend Posted on 7/12 15:29
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Huan_Kerr!

I wish I had Ned....

Fatsuma Posted on 7/12 15:59
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Hey Lisbon! It's a good job that nobody's yet noticed that the door's on the wrong side of the portacabin!