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Boromart Posted on 11/12 13:46
Muslim Swimming Hour????

What the fook is that about?

Croydon Council have created a muslim swimming hour (well 2 hours actually) where its men only in the pool, and men must follow strict muslim rules by wearing shorts that extend past the knee, and above the navel.

Am I a racist for feeling outraged by this? If muslim men want to dress like that then fine, but why do the rest of us have to conform to an alien religion?

Link: Muslim Swimming Hour

SouthernSmogette Posted on 11/12 13:47
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

ALIENS SWIMMING???

GibbosEmpire Posted on 11/12 13:48
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Its in The Sun! for crying out loud.I wouldnt take anything they say seriously.Especially after the Kelvin Mackenzie farce.Horrible paper.

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holgate_rochey Posted on 11/12 13:48
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its a secret ploy to drown them all.

SouthernSmogette Posted on 11/12 13:49
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Why would we drown aliens? Are they a threat to the Boro?

Camsell_345 Posted on 11/12 13:50
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It happens here as well as they have to sweep the pool for any loose hair as they believe hair is unclean, and it is far from a right wing myth.

holgate_rochey Posted on 11/12 13:50
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no but Muslims are, theyre out numbering us.

mickbrown Posted on 11/12 13:50
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Why would you feel enraged? Do you live in Croydon and want to go swimming that particular time?

Vinny_Garstroke Posted on 11/12 13:50
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Do they have a seperate session for the women, where they can take their laundry with them?

rob_fmttm Posted on 11/12 13:51
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Do you swim at Croydon baths? If not then why should you worry? If Croydon bring another part of the community into the pool get them fitter - it will mean health bills will be reduced it may mena the baths are better used - more money in the coffers - it may help integration - but if it's not your baths then surely you have no need to worry.

GibbosEmpire Posted on 11/12 13:52
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Its The Sun though.Who believes what they say?

Camsell_345 Posted on 11/12 13:52
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Like i said it happens here as well and has for years.

SuperBokSupper Posted on 11/12 13:53
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I understand your point rob, and this argument has nothing really to do with me, but on matters of any nature, you cant just say "oh well, it will not affect me, even thought I disagree with it, il just ignore it" can you.

Personally I couldnt give a toss about Muslim Swimming Happy HJour or whatever it is.

mickbrown Posted on 11/12 13:54
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People don't half get worked up about some right bollox.

Boromart Posted on 11/12 13:55
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were I live is irrelevant. I can still be outraged by it.

Why should some people not be allowed to use the pool on a sunday afternoon for two hours due to religious reasons? Its rediculous.

The muslims can wear what they want, but it is everyones right to use that swimming pool. If they can't stand the sight of other peoples flesh then fine, don't go, or get one built ont he back of the local mosque with their own funds.

If they want to live in a country where women are not allowed to goswimming, and only men who adhere to their strict dress code can then they know where the airports and ferry terminals are!

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Chutney Posted on 11/12 13:55
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"no but Muslims are, theyre out numbering us"

From the 2001 Census:

Total Population - 58,789,194
Muslim Population - 1,591,000

Unless there's been a bit of a shift of late, I'd call that a load of disingenuous hatemongering.

Boromart Posted on 11/12 13:57
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ah but the census only includes legal citizens.

mickbrown Posted on 11/12 13:58
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Boromart - My pool has sessions for female OAP's.

Does that "outrage" you?

cheese_shop_john Posted on 11/12 13:58
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I think this happens at Thornaby as well.

Anything to encourage them to learn to swim must be a good thing though.

I used to work in france teaching windsurfing. We would get a new group in each week and sometimes these would be school groups.

The first thing they had to do was a swim test before we took them out to sea. We had a school from Leicster who were 95% aisen and had all had forms signed by their parents saying they could swim 50m. The first 4 jumped in the pool to do their 2 lengths and SANK!!

It turned out that out of 70 of them about 10 could swim.

BoroMutt Posted on 11/12 13:58
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Be more sensitive people! Remember that the entire Iranian Womens Olympic Swimming team drowned last year whilst training in their Burqas.

SouthernSmogette Posted on 11/12 13:58
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mickbrown - boromart is probably aware that you have that session at your local pool. Gots to get his kicks somewhere like.

janplanner Posted on 11/12 13:59
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does it matter, as long as it's well used. they have female only hours, and that's fine too.

boro_bliss Posted on 11/12 14:01
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What planner said.

Lincoln_Exile Posted on 11/12 14:01
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no it's not Jan it's discrimination

trodbitch Posted on 11/12 14:03
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Chutney, there's no point in using rational logic and facts to rebuke the points of people who can't think for themselves and need The Sun to tell them what to think.

slipshod Posted on 11/12 14:04
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Has nobody ever heard of the white anglo saxon male swimming hour at Saltburn baths

Chutney Posted on 11/12 14:05
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Look, I think it's fairly obvious people are feeling very upset and excluded by this, so why don't we try and do something about it?

Who wants to help out with my campaign for a Knuckle Dragging Cretins' Hour at the local baths?

piggy_nichol Posted on 11/12 14:05
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

and 'No Bombing'


Sorry.

Boromart Posted on 11/12 14:06
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gibbosempire, you can't really dismiss it as 'oh its only the sun'. several papers have run with this story.

Here is a locals view....
Alex Craig, 34, said: "I think it is preposterous that a council should be encouraging this type of segregation over municipal facilities.

"It seems the issue here is over modesty. Surely if Muslims want to swim then they should just turn up with their modest swimwear at the same time as everyone else.

"To make a special provision for them is just ridiculous and strikes me as imposing an 'Us and them' mentality which is wrong."

Sarah Fellows, 37, said: "I am not opposed to swimming sessions divided by gender but I am opposed to sessions divided by religion. How inclusive is that?"

Link: Muslim only

Capybara Posted on 11/12 14:06
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Straight out of Volume 2, I believe Mr C.

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speckyget Posted on 11/12 14:06
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Piggy, that's terrible

GibbosEmpire Posted on 11/12 14:08
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I still hate The Sun.Weather its true or not.

Vinny_Garstroke Posted on 11/12 14:08
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Piggy

trodbitch Posted on 11/12 14:09
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"The Sun" <=> "Weather"

I see what you did there.

trodbitch Posted on 11/12 14:09
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double bubble

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piggy_nichol Posted on 11/12 14:10
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I know, but I couldnt resist it.

No offence intended to anyone.

Nedkat Posted on 11/12 14:11
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Jihad it with you lot, picking on some innocent swimmers ...

BERKERS !!

Link: GET THOSE ANKLES COVERED UP

holgate_rochey Posted on 11/12 14:16
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piggy

Boromart Posted on 11/12 14:16
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

chutney, now who is using racial stereotyping? Are you alluding to anyone who disagrees with this policy must be a knuckle-dragger?

...and the sun isn't influencing how I feel about it. I am intelligent enough to make my own mind up. Its my belief that our country should not have restrictions put on it by religion. Especially one which has been a fairly recent introduction to these shores and has many fanatics that regularly spout hatred of our culture.

keep religion in your own home, and the council should not be abusing its position to limit facilities based on religious beliefs.

Like slipshod said "Has nobody ever heard of the white anglo saxon male swimming hour". There would be an uproar about this.

Should there be a British Nationalist Party swimming hour where they do not have to swim in water polluted by the 'darkies'? The British Nationalist Party have there beliefs and if the Muslims are allowed to have exclusive access to facilities based on those beliefs then so should the British Nationalist Party.

mickbrown Posted on 11/12 14:19
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"Stop the Grannies"

Chutney Posted on 11/12 14:20
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"now who is using racial stereotyping?" Hmmm, who indeed?

At least your not disputing the "cretin" bit.

Boromart Posted on 11/12 14:21
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so I'm a cretin for having differant beliefs to you! Now who is the intolerant one?

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Capybara Posted on 11/12 14:21
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* cough *

trodbitch Posted on 11/12 14:22
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

boromart, I've never heard so much fooking drivel in all my life.

Keep religion in the home? What in god's name (!) are you talking about?

rob_fmttm Posted on 11/12 14:22
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Whta's this British Nationlist Party stuff Boro mart? Why bring them in to this?

Boromart Posted on 11/12 14:22
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keep it out of other peoples life, do not impose it on others.

trodbitch Posted on 11/12 14:24
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How does someone going swimming impose their religion on anyone?

tarquin_foxglove Posted on 11/12 14:25
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

Chutney you missed his actual point:
"no but Muslims are, theyre out numbering us"

He meant Muslims are out giving us all numbers. I only know this as I've got mine, you obviously haven't got yours yet.

SuperBokSupper Posted on 11/12 14:27
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

Right, theres no point trying to prove another poster is being racist.

its pointless.

Eevryone is slightly prejudiced against certain groups of people. ITs human nauture. These beliefs are mostly totally irrational and indefensible.

Having these beliefs is not anyones fault. The thing that needs to happen is that you acknowledge that these fellings are wrong and immoral and never act on them.

There is no point having a tit for tat argument is there really?

Most of the people on here do say things which represent their beliefs but I hate the small minority who seem to accept everything and post completely inane and utopian drivel, just because it makes them look good.

holgate_rochey Posted on 11/12 14:29
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we'll all be wearing swimming caps and veils at the local baths before long.

Boromart Posted on 11/12 14:29
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Rob, if people think that its right that the muslim community have the right to have exclusive use to facilities based on their view of the world. Then surely people who have other extremist views deserve that same right.

B.N.P. - my introduction of them is in no way meant to be a showing of allegiance with them...in fact quite the opposite.

However abhorent the British National Parties manifesto is, in a society where a religion is able to dictate the use of council facilities, then so should a political following. At least politics is tangible to all, religion only to a few.

Personally I think no one should have exclusive use of facilities....other than possibly a gender based criteria.

SuperBokSupper Posted on 11/12 14:30
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dont be so fookin childish rochey




















unless it was tongue in cheek then haha

Boromart Posted on 11/12 14:32
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"How does someone going swimming impose their religion on anyone?" - well if you read the article, then you have to follow the dress code of that religion to use your own local facilities, what next women can only walk down the high street on a wednesday wearing a burka?

Picol Posted on 11/12 14:34
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piggy ffs

Rain_Wooney Posted on 11/12 14:34
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Are Muslims allowed to swim during pool opening period outside of said two-hour slot, I wonder?

SuperBokSupper Posted on 11/12 14:36
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Any way if they all go in at the same time will the water go brown like milk does with Coco Pops?

Chutney Posted on 11/12 14:36
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It's those Muslim only hours in my local mosque that winds me up.

OK, I don't actually need to go during that hour, but surely I should be allowed to?

holgate_rochey Posted on 11/12 14:37
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Superbok LOL

SouthernSmogette Posted on 11/12 14:37
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Are people really this thick - is this a wind up?

BobendBill Posted on 11/12 14:41
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THORNABY baths had a muslim women ONLY night on a Monday about 3 years ago..Something about ot showing thier body off to white people???

Boromart Posted on 11/12 14:43
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"about ot showing thier body off to white people???" - racist FACT.

mufflar Posted on 11/12 14:46
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

its shia madness!

FookFace Posted on 11/12 14:47
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Thats a shi'ite joke Mufflar...

SuperBokSupper Posted on 11/12 14:50
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Glaring error here though.

Not all Muslims are of Asian descent (ie some are white)

GibbosEmpire Posted on 11/12 14:51
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Like Yvonne Ridley SuperBok the journalist who was kidnapped and converted to Islam.
She was from Newcastle aswell.

SouthernSmogette Posted on 11/12 14:51
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Some are also black and the ill ones can be a little jaundice.

trodbitch Posted on 11/12 14:51
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OK boromart, if having a 2 hour slot for swimming at a swimming baths you never attend is someone imposing their religion on you then god help you if you really had something important to worry about.

It's funny how people claim to be making their own mind up yet we have had muslims in this country for centuries yet only now are getting really 'angry' about their 'strange veil wearing ways'. People need to get a grip. There's far more important things to worry about.

mufflar Posted on 11/12 14:52
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like who is going to win x-factor and who kills Corrie's Charlie..

trodbitch Posted on 11/12 14:53
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Oh and rochey, if it was possible for you to come across as any more narrow minded, insular and stupid, I'd be amazed.

"LOL"

Vinny_Garstroke Posted on 11/12 14:53
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It's just hysteria.
Twenty years ago, anyone with an irish accent was looked upon suspiciously.

holgate_rochey Posted on 11/12 14:56
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shut up you tit, you need to chill out.

Lincoln_Exile Posted on 11/12 14:57
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Why waste all this energy talking about muslims swimming while Paul Dickov is still allowed to breathe the same air as the rest of us.

trodbitch Posted on 11/12 14:58
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Vinny as ever the voice of reason.

Rochey, I am now amazed.

holgate_rochey Posted on 11/12 14:59
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pleased for you.

Buddy Posted on 11/12 15:01
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Need a little wavy mouth smiley for this thread.

Except for piggy's post, for which will suffice.

SouthernSmogette Posted on 11/12 15:01
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I may convert to islam and have a sex change to enjoy the Croydon brat swimming pack. Oh then again - I don't really give a fook

trodbitch Posted on 11/12 15:02
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Is this going to be one of those board stand-offs where someone has to get the last word in?

salt_boro Posted on 11/12 15:02
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Round my way there's an over 50's ladies only "aquarobicks hour" in the pool, at 11am on a wednesday. Dam those b:tches to hell for stepping on my rights to go in the pool at whatever time i want in my speedos.

Perry_Combover Posted on 11/12 15:03
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my local swimming baths sets aside time for pregnant women to do aerobics in the pool. seems a bit sexist.

holgate_rochey Posted on 11/12 15:06
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No you can have the last word if you wish, Mr Politically Correct.

Boromart Posted on 11/12 15:07
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trodbitch, I am allowed to worry about what I want. If your not worried by it so be it. It bothers me no-end. Religion should not dictate to people who are not part of that religion. FACT.

Trodbitch don't try and discredit my opinions. I don't read the sun, I was pointed to this by a colleague. Its not about finding them and their ways 'strange', its about imposing their belief system on others.

"People need to get a grip. There's far more important things to worry about." - who are you to decide what we should worry about? don't impose your beliefs on me



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trodbitch Posted on 11/12 15:11
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Politically Correct is the term used to describe people who make decisions based on just wanting to appear to be doing the right thing. I've just got morals mate, and if that means I find laughing about jokes about "brown" people turning the water brown in a swimming pool. You'll understand that one day but I appreciate you are still a naive kid so I won't hold a grudge.

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ThePrisoner Posted on 11/12 15:15
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I've also heard a rumour that there are some local schools that you can only go to if you are a Catholic. It would be an outrage except the idea is so preposterous that it can't possibly be true.

salt_boro Posted on 11/12 15:16
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Boromart, If someone books out a pool for 2 hours they can do what they like in it so long as its legal, which this "SWIMMING IN LONG TRUNKS" is. If a council has a large section of its tax paying comunity who cannot use a municipal facility because of their religeious beliefs then they have a responsability to make it possible .

mickbrown Posted on 11/12 15:18
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"my local swimming baths sets aside time for pregnant women to do aerobics in the pool. seems a bit sexist."

Not only sexist, but also fertilist.

How do barren women feel FFS?

piggy_nichol Posted on 11/12 15:19
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Its not true though TP, my daughter goes to a catholic school despite being nominally CofE.

My son went to catholic cubs too, the same ones that turned me away 30 odd years ago for being a proddy dog.

So things are moving forward.

Butters1406 Posted on 11/12 15:22
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Good point, surely a woman who was unable to have children could be offended by this. I've done some researching and apparently "locals who FLOCK to the areas only major leisure centre during this 2 hour period are outraged"
Maybe its just me but i cant quite imagine the locals of croydon hammering away on the doors to get in the pool on a sunday evening

SouthernSmogette Posted on 11/12 15:22
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Well Piggy - that's an outrage and I'll be writing to the Bishop as soon as I get back. I don't want my nieces and nephews mixing with 'your sort' - stick to your own Henry the 8th loving religion :o)

Joking aside - did you have to attend a meeting with the head to get your young 'un in?

x

Butters1406 Posted on 11/12 15:23
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Good point, surely a woman who was unable to have children could be offended by this. I've done some researching and apparently "local infertile women who FLOCK to the areas only major leisure centre during this 2 hour period are outraged"
Maybe its just me but i cant quite imagine the locals of croydon hammering away on the doors to get in the pool on a sunday evening

Boromart Posted on 11/12 15:25
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

"If someone books out a pool for 2 hours they can do what they like in it so long as its legal"

No one has booked this pool out. A rule has been imposed by the leaisure centre. As a council funded activity, I do not believe they have the right to do that. Surely we should be striving for an inclusive society, not devisive.

"If a council has a large section of its tax paying comunity who cannot use a municipal facility because of their religeious beliefs then they have a responsability to make it possible "
they can go swimming without looking at other mens knees, and feeling all heathen.

Anyway do these people not go in town on a summer because there are women around, and because some men dare to wear shorts? clearly this is NOT a case of cannot go swimming, rather its a case of choosing not to go swimming. The leisure centre have unilatarily chosen to impose these draconian measures on people who couldn't give a fook about other peoples religion, and why should they?

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SuperBokSupper Posted on 11/12 15:26
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"Politically Correct is the term used to describe people who make decisions based on just wanting to appear to be doing the right thing. I've just got morals mate, and if that means I find laughing about jokes about "brown" people turning the water brown in a swimming pool"

How in any way was that joke immoral and offensive?

Please tell me which offensive stereotypes I was alluring to?

And which specific individual?

You cant.

piggy_nichol Posted on 11/12 15:28
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

No, just rang them up SS, told them that I wanted her to go to their school because it had a good reputation and she had some mates there.

I told them she wasnt Catholic, but they said that not only did it not matter but they couldnt insist on it anyway.

2 days later they rang me back and said she was in. No visits, no forms, just a brief note in my Stan James diary to say when term started.

A whole lot easier than when my ex successfully got them into a CofE school by pretending to be religious.

SouthernSmogette Posted on 11/12 15:31
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Mr Nichol - does she still have to attend mass etc at school there? My school had mass every Friday, I can't imagine much has changed....the catholic church is not so evolutionary :O)

piggy_nichol Posted on 11/12 15:34
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As an irresponsible parent, I have to admit that I've never asked her. But if she does, great.

One of the functions of school should be to teach you that life has loads of dull bits that you just have to put up with.

Revol_Tees Posted on 11/12 15:36
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@ Boromart

Hard luck. Your latest attempt to stoke outrage against Muslims hasn't really worked has it? If you wanted a more sympathetic response, maybe try the Frontline messageboard. That's if they don't just laugh at you on there as well.

SouthernSmogette Posted on 11/12 15:36
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I can only express my pain in explaining I had 18 years of mass every Friday and Sunday - if you want her to experience the dull bits....keep her at that school :o)

I'm sure she'll do fab! x

salt_boro Posted on 11/12 15:37
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Boromart "just not look at other mens knees", ok try this:

Don't think of a bananna

Its 2 hours in the week of a public baths. Being "inclusive" is precisly why the council offers a time for people of a stong Islamic faith to use the facilities they pay for.

Rain_Wooney Posted on 11/12 15:38
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Revol_Tees.

You seem rather smug in that last post.

Boromart Posted on 11/12 15:39
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Revol_tees, please enlighten me to my moments of attempting to stir up outrage at our muslim brothers?

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Vinny_Garstroke Posted on 11/12 15:40
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The old Middlesbrough Bath's used to encourage segregation.
They had A Turkish bath.

Boromart Posted on 11/12 15:41
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- 1 hour and 55 mins. As the great W Axl Rose once sang - "Its soooo easy, so fookin easy...Yeah".

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Link: N.O.

Nedkat Posted on 11/12 15:49
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

Aye, and that one in Eston had a Nordic Sauna, and they also offered a Swedish Massage ..

Let 'em swim ! It's good exercise .. It's hard being a Muslim, and not all of 'em hate the Brits. I think we can find 2 hours to let them have a splash around in the swimming pool. The Islamic religions a tough one to follow, give 'em a break ..

riverboat_captain Posted on 11/12 15:59
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Southern Smogette

My kids are Catholic and go to a Catholic school. If there is a mass on, they just go in late. I must be softer than my mother was.

SouthernSmogette Posted on 11/12 16:00
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riverboat - indeed you are, I still had to go at bloomin' sixth form.

onthemap Posted on 11/12 16:03
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I was in PC World yesterday and you can't say a word in there.

littlejimmy Posted on 11/12 16:40
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What? You have to type it and print it out? Preposterousssssss.

Anyway, I'd be far more worried if it was a Christian only 2 hour session, and they couldn't go at other times. Let's get this into perspective. A pool could be open 12 hours a day, 7 days a week - that's 84 hours. Only someone ridiculously petty-minded would get all foamy at the mouth about something so trifling. But then, some people aren't happy unless they're foaming about something or other. No-one's trying to impose anything on anyone. Muslims are modest. It's part of their culture and their religion, and doing this hurts no-one, but benefits those who want to swim without feeling uncomfortable in their surroundings. Draconian my hat. Gerralife, man!

Boromart Posted on 11/12 17:05
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

Now who is getting all foamy mouuthed littlejimmy?

Link: what a whopper

GibbosEmpire Posted on 11/12 17:08
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

BoroMart-Can I ask you what are your intentions of posting a thread like this.What do you get out of this?

littlejimmy Posted on 11/12 17:21
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

Ah. The classic, "I've been made to look like a complete wazzock and have lost the argument, so I'll say I was fishing all along," tactic.



You're talking to an old hand, mate! Firty years, man and boy!

Boromart Posted on 11/12 17:25
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your psychic as well as gullible now Jimmy?

GibbosEmpire Posted on 11/12 17:26
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

BoroMart Answer me.

Boromart Posted on 11/12 17:27
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GibbosEmpire, how dare you make demands of me. who exactly do you think you are to do such a thing?

Nedkat Posted on 11/12 17:28
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

That's a Catfish, that is !

I've seen them in the Swannee River, one was three times the size of that tiddler. Frightened the bloody life outa me !

littlejimmy Posted on 11/12 17:29
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You keep telling yourself that. PMSL. LOL. ROFLMHFAO. WTF? FFS! FACT!!1

Boromart Posted on 11/12 17:30
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thats a tiddler

Do the big ones eat people?

GibbosEmpire Posted on 11/12 17:30
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

I said Answer me because your evading my question.If you didnt get it.
What are your intentions of posting a thread like this.What do you get out of this?

piggy_nichol Posted on 11/12 17:37
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

And on the subject of catfish, heres one that the boy and I caught a couple of years ago in the River Ebre in Spain.

Well, he caught it but he had too dodgy a hairstyle to officially hold it. It was about 4 stone.

To catch the really big ones, live carp was the recommended bait.

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Link: Nice fringe

Boromart Posted on 11/12 17:38
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

what do you get by demanding that I answer your question does it fuel your desire for self-rightiosness?

I do believe parts of what I have posted, but I am not in indignation about it. I do feel that it isn't the councils job to get involved in religion, particularly through funding, and segratitive use of facilities.

I also feel that if someone has an opinion that is based on religion then it is percieved to be sacrosanct. Whereas people opiinions based on anything other than religion are fair game, thus my comments about a certain group of people masquarading under a political party. In western culture their views are as viable as someone whose viewas are based on a religion, but we would not dream of creating an environment where they can go swimming together without anyone that offends them in the vaccinity.

Tolerance by all, is the only way that this country will sort itself out. Divisiveness like this will not do the country any good at all.

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green_beret20 Posted on 11/12 17:38
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

Aye, Its always puzzled me how the rules of health and cleanliness are over-ruled by religion when someone of the Islamic faith wishes to enter the pool fully clothed?

I know my local baths allows this, Ive seen it, which kind of put me off swimming there as I watched 20 fully clothed women, all wearing layers, leaping into the pool, but hey….. watchagonnado.

Nedkat Posted on 11/12 17:40
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

I was snorkelling while being towed by a canoe up the Swannee. I looked down into the depths of the mighty Swannee, and came eyeball to eyeball with a catfish that was bigger than me ...

I very nearly lost control of me bowels, and I hopped in that canoe like a man half me age !!

GibbosEmpire Posted on 11/12 17:50
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

BoroMart I didnt demand anything I asked and you didnt answer.I have no intentions whatsoever,I just wanted to know why you had to post such a thread,you posted it as if its the most important news item in the whole world,theres more important things to worry about today.I dont get on the bandwagon of attacking Muslims,I know alot of Muslims and there as diverse as Christians/Jews/Sihks,Atheists.Its the individuals not the religions that are the problems.
Tolerance is the answer I agree but the Newspapers and other forms of media seem to jump to any reason to have a go at Muslims,when infact theres nothing wrong with most,just some.But its the system that has allowed these things to happen,not the individual religion or race.
Its like an 'us and them' attitude that annoys me the most.Your English if your born in England,and your as English as a white,anglo saxon person.Im not saying this is what your saying,not in the slightest.But look at the response you got,its vast because its always in the Newspapers and on everyones lips.

Boromart Posted on 11/12 19:27
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

GibbosEmpire, why did I post "as if its the most important news item of the day"? I don't beleive I did. I was maybe a little provocative by saying "what the fook is that about"....but as someone that feels divisionism is a bad thing for society then why not. I don't believe in the concept of a multi-cultural society. Because that alludes to seperate cultures, in one state.....and that doesn't work - they all end up in a state!

If you must know I was interested to see what peoples opinions were on this subject, and sometimes you have to over-egg it to fight for attention on a board with 1,000 new threads a day. Its no more over-egging it than claiming that I broke this story as the biggest story of the day though. I guess we all exagerate on a dailly basis!

This thread has covered some interesting little sub-topics and shown some very obscure and strange views to me. I was quite interested to see LittleJimmy's statement that "Muslims are modest. It's part of their culture and their religion......Its the individuals not the religions that are the problems.
". No one picked him up on this. It was accepted as a perfectly acceptable comment. Its quite interesting to see that some people will generalise a whole religion when its a positive, but not over a negative, e.g. Muslims hate westerners - not acceptable, muslims are modest - acceptable.

They will also attribute positive values like Modesty to their faith in a religion, but negative things like terrorism are down to 'bad individuals', NEVER down to religion. I guess this shows how stupid and skewed some peoples views are. Some people will fit their morals to fit whatever their idiology is, rather than applying fairness and parity.

It is fair to say that the media jump to have a go at Muslims. But what are the muslim community doing as a whole to integrate with the rest of the nation? Inflamatory statements like "this is non-negotiable" over muslim only access to a swimming pool??....for crying out loud. That is a stupid statement and dangerous statement.

Do these same muslims who swim only in muslim happy hour, refuse to go outside in summer because men are walking around in shorts? Of course not. It isn't in the culture of this country to cover our knees, or wear burkas, so to come here and expect that to be the case is completely naive. It isn't possible to function in this country under those rules.

There is certainly an us and them attitude, and the muslim community need to avoid situations were further divisiveness is created....this only creates a greater awareness of the us and them society.

"But look at the response you got,its vast because its always in the Newspapers and on everyones lips."
...and also because some people have gone so far left in their views that they cannot see the wood for the trees. For everyone that is a 'muslim hater' bandwagoner, there appear to be at least as many that fall into the 'the press are setting up the muslims, all muslims are great, WE are the problem' bandwagoners.

Bit of a long answer, but there you go.

TeessideCleveland Posted on 11/12 19:31
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

'Rob, if people think that its right that the muslim community have the right to have exclusive use to facilities based on their view of the world. Then surely people who have other extremist views deserve that same right.'
Does that mean you think ALL in the muslim community have 'extremist views'?
I beg to differ if that is the case

Boromart Posted on 11/12 19:43
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

TC, let me change the punctuation...

"Then surely people who have other, extremist views, deserve that same right.'

It wasn't actually the muslims views I was calling extreme. Although I think it is fair comment that covering knees and not seeing naked female flesh IS an extreme view to English eyes. Do you not agree? Does that make me a racist or intolerant person for thinking this? I don't think so.

TeessideCleveland Posted on 11/12 19:45
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

Now you've changed the punctuation that sentence I see what you meant

GibbosEmpire Posted on 11/12 19:54
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

I agree with some of what you said,but Il pick you up on some,which I dont agree with.

-'Muslims hate westerners - not acceptable'

If most Muslims hate westerners,then why are they in a Western Country with very westernised ways.Where did you get that from?
I wont generalise as you did,you have different people within religions.


-'They will also attribute positive values like Modesty to their faith in a religion, but negative things like terrorism are down to 'bad individuals'

Terrorism isnt part of anyones Religion,I dont know where you go that from either.Terrorism has jumped on the religious wagon for years with the IRA.
Terrorism are down to the individual itself,Religion itself is meant to be peaceful,the terrorists are frankly nuts.


-'It isn't in the culture of this country to cover our knees, or wear burkas, so to come here and expect that to be the case is completely naive'


So is Hoodys,Rasta hats,punk clothes,girls in mini skirts,hippys,mods,rockers etc??
Are they all 'British'.
Thats the most important thing in this country,that you can wear basically what you like as long as its not against the law.Its a basic part of freedom,or then you would have one for of Totalitarianism.Would you allow someone to tell you what to wear?

-'But what are the muslim community doing as a whole to integrate with the rest of the nation?'

What do YOU do to intergrate with Muslims?
I agree that Muslims have to intergrate more but you cant just say its a 'Muslim' thing,its a two way street now.

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ThePrisoner Posted on 11/12 20:01
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

"Its not true though TP, my daughter goes to a catholic school despite being nominally CofE."

Yeah. That's big of them. They have been forced to do it and given the choice would throw all non-papists out. I wouldn't give a fook if they funded the schools themselves but they don't. Same goes for any other faith school that uses public funds. I'm an equal opportunity god basher.

ThePrisoner Posted on 11/12 20:05
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

"Same goes for any other faith school that uses public funds. I'm an equal opportunity god basher."

On the other hand I once went out with a sixteen year old Convent school girl from Croydon. It was even better than you're thinking

piggy_nichol Posted on 11/12 20:08
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

So thats good legislation then, stopping schools (inc religious schools) from being so exclusive.

I too doubt that they would have moved on voluntarily. Dont know about the cubs though, maybe they are covered by similar legislation.

ThePrisoner Posted on 11/12 20:17
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

"Dont know about the cubs though, maybe they are covered by similar legislation."

What, you have to be a left footer to get in the cubs? Baden Powell will be turning in his grave.

piggy_nichol Posted on 11/12 20:26
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

You did with st joes cubs in 1972. I went with my mate and it was all going great until they asked what school we went to.

He was catholic and got in, I had to join the proddy cubs.

Although they did ask us to draw a picture of the jungle book and mine (as did all my drawings at that time) included a couple of fighter planes in a dogfight, complete with bullets and smoke.

I often wonder if this may have just tipped the odds against me.


25 years later, they happily took my son, although he took my advice and didnt sketch any spitfires.

ThePrisoner Posted on 11/12 20:32
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

Thing is, if it wasn't religion or skin colour it would be something else. Humans can't help it. Still tribal animals under a thin veneer of civilisation.

What about those people with green eyes? You can't trust them you know ....

Lefty3668 Posted on 11/12 20:39
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

'No Bombing'

Glad I finally clicked on this thread.

piggy_nichol Posted on 11/12 20:45
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

I wondered whether to post it or not lefty, but in the end I just couldnt pass it up. Bad taste or not.

Boromart Posted on 12/12 9:27
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

GibbosEmpire, by saying 'Muslims hate westerners - not acceptable', I was actually stating that some people state this, it isn't a view I chose to believe in. But then neither do I beleive in the equally absurd and relious steroe-typing 'muslims are humble' statement. I think you have completely misunderstood me, if you think I am claiming Muslims hate westerners, some do some don't. Just like some white anglo-saxon
brits hate anyone who has darker skin, and some don't.

"Terrorism isnt part of anyones Religion,I dont know where you go that from either.Terrorism has jumped on the religious wagon for years with the IRA."
Thats exactly the attitude I mean. Apologising and excusing the bad things as nothing to do with a religion. There is a lack of integration and tolerance of other religions by muslims, that is a religious trait. When a religion has paragraphs that discuss killing the infidels in their tents at night, then that is open to some terrible interpretations. In its extremist forms that evolves into terrorism. To say that terrorism is nothing to do with Islam, is in my opinion just making an excuse. Of course it is a small minority who are terrorists. But if the religion didn't exist then many of those individuals wouldn't have become terrorists. So the two are inevetably intertwined.

It is up to the Imams to make sure that extremist preachers are removed....so far it appears that this hasn't been done as vigorously as it should have been. This isn't a dig at Muslims, other religions have just as much blood on their hands, most wars involve religious differances somewhere.

Again people are prepared to attribute good things to a religion, without question. But anything that is bad, is down to the bad individuals. That is such a blinkered view, surely if that is the case, then modesty is nothing to do with muslim teachings, but down to the individuals also and if that is the case what exactly is the point in religions?

"So is Hoodys,Rasta hats,punk clothes,girls in mini skirts,hippys,mods,rockers etc??
Are they all 'British'. Thats the most important thing in this country,that you can wear basically what you like as long as its not against the law."
I think your missing the point, I have no problem with people wearing what they like, as long as it isn't against the law. You can't go into a bank with a crash helmet on, but you can with a burka...go figure! But that wasn't my point here, I was stating that I should have the right to wear the clothes that are deamed acceptable in MY society, and not have some religious beliefs that I do not adhere to put on ME. If I want to go swimming in a pair of speedos I should have the right to do so and not have to wear a pair of navel to knee shorts so as not to offend someone. As you say 'Its a basic part of freedom'

"or then you would have one for of Totalitarianism.Would you allow someone to tell you what to wear?" Exactly.

"What do YOU do to intergrate with Muslims? "
I have had several muslim friends through my life, I have never had a problem with any muslims and have made them as welcome in my life as anyone else I have ever met.

"I agree that Muslims have to intergrate more but you cant just say its a 'Muslim' thing,its a two way street now."
Of course it is, my comments are really aimed at the kind of statements about 'this is non-negotiable', that is a pretty inflamatory comment, when many in this country already feel that muslims are not integrating. How on earth are statements like that going to create an environment of religious and ethnic harmony?



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littlejimmy Posted on 12/12 10:44
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

BM, you're talking rubbish, lad.

My statement that "Muslims are modest, it's part of their religion and culture" is not a generalisation. Modesty about the physical form (not humility) is proscribed by Islam. Your example statement that "Muslims hate westerners" is different because it IS a sweeping generalisation based on nothing factual whatsoever. There is no specific requirement to hate Westerners in Islam. Some Mulsims do hate the West and westerners, for various reasons. Some like them. Some don't give a toss either way. THAT'S the difference.

Of course, you point out that there are passages in the Qur'an about killing infidels, but then there are similar passages in the Bible. The insidious little suggestion you are making there is that Muslims are violent by their very nature. Dangerous ground you're treading on with that.

As another pointed out (Prisoner, I think), religion IS just an excuse, because we'd still find something to fight about. Think about it - who wrote the stuff about killing each other in these holy texts? PEOPLE.

As for your repeated assertion that someone is trying to stop you doing what you want - bolololox. You can go to the pool the rest of the time without a problem. You have the choice of another 84 hours through the week when you can go. Unless there's a pregnant disabled lesbian session on at the time, like. And you don't even live in Croydon, FFS!


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Boromart Posted on 12/12 11:09
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

>My statement that "Muslims are modest, it's part of their religion and culture" is not a generalisation. <
Of course it is. We will have to disagree on this. I don't believe that you can put all the good traits down to religious teachings and say the bad traits are nothing to do with the religion whatsoever.

"Your example statement that "Muslims hate westerners" is different because it IS a sweeping generalisation based on nothing factual whatsoever."
But there are some facts to show this. Polls ahve been made in this country to show that a large number of young muslims in this country hate western intervention in the middle east, western political choices, western morals, etc. etc. and maybe some of the polls are skewed to give certain messages, and maybe my original statement was on over-symplification. but there is undoubted a hatred of many western ideologies and attitudes from many muslims. I am not using this as a stick to bash muslims per se. More a stick to bash how religion breeds intolerance of others.

"There is no specific requirement to hate Westerners in Islam. Some Mulsims do hate the West and westerners, for various reasons. Some like them. Some don't give a toss either way. THAT'S the difference. "
Some muslims are humble some are not.

"The insidious little suggestion you are making there is that Muslims are violent by their very nature. Dangerous ground you're treading on with that. "
I suggest you take that back, because you are talking out your cake hole. I am not have not and will not make 'insidious little suggestions' about muslims being violent by there nature. If you opened your mind and read my posts in full, rather than cherry picking the bits that let you pidgeon hole me as a 'muslim basher', then you would see that my comments are more to do with the divisive nature created by religion. Your deliberate misinterpretation of me is as bad as those that claim that all muslims hate the west. But then I doubt you will apologise for such a pathetic and ill founded insult.

"As another pointed out (Prisoner, I think), religion IS just an excuse, because we'd still find something to fight about."
That is true. Religion creates a focus for tribalism, and polarises people. I would aruge that religion has little or no place in a wholly civilized society.

"Think about it - who wrote the stuff about killing each other in these holy texts? PEOPLE. "
Yet people lead there lives based on what these people have written, and how other people tell them to interpret these books.

"As for your repeated assertion that someone is trying to stop you doing what you want - bolololox."
That is your opinion, but there is a 2 hour period where religious beliefs dictate that a council owned facility cannot be used by people on religious grounds. If Schools must now be completely inclusive, if christmas decorations must now state Happy Holiday, not Merry Christmas. Then the use of other facilities owned by the people should not be governed by religious rules.

Where I live is irrelivant, so stop trying to belittle my opinion. Do you have an opinion on 911? you don't live in New York. You seem to have an opinion on Islam, but your not even a muslim, FFS.



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Capybara Posted on 12/12 11:43
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

Small point, jimbo. I think you probably mean prEscribed, not prOscribed.

littlejimmy Posted on 12/12 11:57
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

Capy, you're right. Slapped wrist.

Bormart, you're wrong - mostly. I live in a Muslim country, so have an opinion. Of course where you live is irrelevant to this debate, but you mentioned that YOU want to swim in speedos without being told not to. What confuses me is that you don't seem to have a problem with other minorities receiving special times allocated at pools or whatever. You seem to be buying into this whole "PC gone mad" crap that the likes of the Sun and the Mail keep printing, which only serves to stir up the latent xenophobia in many people.

Again, you seem incapable of distinguishing between humility and physical modesty.

However, I will apologise for misinterpreting your remarks about violent natures. I took it out of context, and for that I am sorry. It's all about interpretation, innit?

RAYMOND_HDD Posted on 12/12 12:05
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

"Bormart, you're wrong - mostly. I live in a Muslim country,"

Wheres that then - France?

Capybara Posted on 12/12 12:13
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

The country of Dubai.

* Chutney detector deployed *

zoec Posted on 12/12 12:16
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

Dubai isn't actually.........



No, never mind. I presume I've missed something in the past

Capybara Posted on 12/12 12:17
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????


Boromart Posted on 12/12 12:20
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

OK, you live in a Muslim country, so have an opinion. Well I live in a country with 1.7 million muslims, and have met many over my life, is my opinion less valid than yours? Am I not allowed an opinion just because I have never been a muslim or lived in a muslim country?

"What confuses me is that you don't seem to have a problem with other minorities receiving special times allocated at pools or whatever."
which minorities are these? I have a major problem with religion having an influence over council facilities. We are not a religious state, and neither should we be. It isn't the states job to influence peoples religions or support religions, again it shouldn't be.

In what way am I buying into the whole "PC gone mad" crap. I want parity for all, and don't buy into Xenophobia.

Regarding physical modesty. Fine, if that is how they want to lead their lives then that is up to them. I have no problem whatsoever with that. But I do not feel that I should ever have to conform to any religions rules so that I can use a swimming pool in the times that I want. What next library days where women are not allowed unless they wear a burka, days a tthe beach where men are not allowed to wear shorts. They are both run and funded by the council, should they limit access tot hese facilities? The high street is maintained by the council, muslim Thursdays?

These are extreme examples, but if the argument from the Islamic leaders are that its 'non-negotiable', then the message they are giving is that they want everything to meet within the boundaries of their religion, and it might be croydon baths now, but at some point it will affect me.

My argument still remains that if muslim men are offended by other mens knees, then do they not go into the high street in summer? If they do then they are not so offended that they cannot go swimming alongside people in speedos.

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Archie_Stanton1 Posted on 12/12 12:30
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

I can`t understand why people think that in the year 2006 it`s ok to have different swimming times for different religions.

How ironic that this story broke on the day Tony Blair made his speech about immigrants adapting to British culture.
Looks like the "Multi Culturists" at Croyden Council wern`t listening.

Chutney Posted on 12/12 13:20
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

Not since 1971. Although why I'm repeatedly forced to reiterate this one, I don't know.

And I hate lots of Western values, morals and ideology as well, so presumably I'll be getting my two hours exclusive use as well, yes?

ripvanwinkle Posted on 12/12 14:27
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

Im a muslim boro supporter. Thought I'd add my input.
This type of thing really pees me off as its not muslims sat at home thinking this, its stupid councils sat on leather chairs thinking..Ooh, I wonder if this is a good idea to do my muslim voters a favour, or, I wonder if muslims take offence at christmas. Give me a break!!
My family have celebrated christmas every year, take a swim when we feel like it, go on the razzle when they get the chance...Let alone eat the swine butty. Councils are spoiling it for us, not doing us favours.
So ask yourselves next time, when these stupid council driven ideas rear their ugly heads, it wasnt a muslim who thought of it.
Now leave me alone while my organize my xmas p1ssup!
lol

GibbosEmpire Posted on 12/12 14:32
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

Exactly ripvanwinkle I said the same thing as did Trodbitch last week.Its just sh-tstirring like TheSun and the other Tabloids,it fuels racial tension and does knowone any favours whatsoever.The people constructing these ideas for Muslims/Jews/Sihks etc are just adding more pressure on those groups,and in the end doing more harm then good.

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Boromart Posted on 12/12 14:54
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

Although many Muslims do not want this kind of thing, its also fair to say that some do....

But the nearby Croydon Mosque has defended the introduction of Muslim-only swimming sessions at the council pool. A spokesman said: "Muslims are not allowed to show intimate parts of their body. This is non-negotiable. Muslims have as much right to go swimming as anyone else."

So although its fair to say the media must change how it reports, it is also fair to say influential muslim spokespeople need to change how they respond.

littlejimmy Posted on 12/12 17:02
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

My God, you're a tryer, Boromart. I'll give you that much. I've never seen such logical gymnastics.

Anyway, good to see you've moved onto the old, "Can't I have an opinion?" nugget, which is the younger brother of, "I demand my freedom of speech!"

Yes, you are allowed an opinion. And I'm allowed mine, which is that yours is nonsense!

GibbosEmpire Posted on 12/12 17:04
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

BoroMart would you say the same thing if it was a Christian Swimming hour?

Boromart Posted on 12/12 17:18
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

Yes gibbosEmpire, I would. As I have repeated on several occasions in this thread, this isn't ahving a go at Muslims, it is having a go at the council pampering to, and giving sole access to certain religious groups at certain times. I don't care who those religious groups are.

LittleJimmy, why get so arsey? you should show that humility that your muslim neighbours have in abundance.
You said " I live in a Muslim country, so have an opinion."..inferring that your view is somehow superior. So my response was to indicate that my view is jsut as relevant as yours.

Your reference to my postings as logical gymnastics, just highlight your inability to argue with the logic at hand. Rather than try and debate and tackle the logic head on, you would rather just use childish insinuations that my logic doesn't hang together.

Please, enlighten me to the points my logic defies physics. My previous statement was factually correct and relevant. There ARE some muslims who want this kind of spedcialist treatment, it cannot be layed squarely at the doorstep of local council members. To do so, is avoiding the truth. There was a recent pole amongst young muslim men regarding the introduction of Islamic law in this country, the majority wanted it introduced. Of course there are parameters in the pole which mean you would have to question its accuracy, but to say that muslims do not want Islamic rules imposed on non-muslims is factually incorrect.


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piggy_nichol Posted on 12/12 17:29
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

Never mind all this squabbling, what do you all think of my catfish photo?

Boromart Posted on 12/12 17:32
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

I think your right, it is a little bit of a dodgy hairstyle.

thesonofgod Posted on 12/12 17:33
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

Send them to stockton and put on the wave machine that will sort the fookers out

number_10 Posted on 12/12 18:07
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

How is having a session exclusively for women any different to having one exclusively for muslim men?

How is it any different for muslim men to want to excersize in an environment friendly to their beliefs any different to women not wanting any males present when they choose to excersize?

I fail to see why anyone would have a problem with this. Grow up, its a couple of hours a week, why the fhucking hell shouldn't they have something to cater for a sizeable chunk of the local population? Also, to people with the "it's my country" argument, there are British muslims too you know, and it's just as much their right to have something to cater for them as it is for the indigeounous white christian population to have something to cater for them.

Rant over.

10hickton Posted on 12/12 18:28
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

Didnt they have the same thing at Thornaby baths a few years ago ?

littlejimmy Posted on 12/12 18:32
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

If anyone's getting arsey lad, it's you. Get over yourself.

I've tried having a debate with you but you won't listen. You're still on about "humility" when I've explained the difference half a dozen times. You continue with the arrant sophistry and twisting and turning but you make little sense. I really can't be arsed to point out the many contradictions in your tirades.

SO...

Link: Take the hint.

sw2boro Posted on 12/12 20:35
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

Start closer to home and worry about the teaching of creationism in Middlesbrough schools.

becks26 Posted on 12/12 21:25
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

i have not read this full thread so sorry if i am repeating any thing that has already been said. i understand why boromart is angry because it is not the only thing that has been stopped for muslims they are taking off a well loved childrens charrictor (piglet)it will no longer be sold in the shops as the muslim religion find pigs offensive its not the end of the world i no but its like we have to change our ways to suit them. how long will it be before we have to stop putting christmas deccorations up because that offends them also.

Chutney Posted on 13/12 8:04
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

Blimey, that's a load of balls on several counts, most notably:

a) Piglet is marketed by Disney, methinks the likelihood of a small petitioning group being able to exert greater pressure on retailers than them is just a touch unlikely.

b) The phrase, "the muslim religion find pigs offensive", convincing though it is is somewhat undermined by the fact that it contains less than 1% truth. FFS.

c) Even if there were any truth in (b), I'd have thought a cull on, erm, pigs rather than soft toys might be a more likely course of action.

Boromart Posted on 13/12 9:32
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

LittleJimmy, you are just proving how immature and churlish you are. I am listening to what you are saying, I just do not agree with it.

"I really can't be arsed to point out the many contradictions in your tirades." - or put it another way, you can't break the logic of my discussion. There are no contradictions, this isn't about logic anyway. Its about personal opinions, do not tell me that my personal opinions do not make sense, then fail to back your statement up with evidence. Your embarrassing yourself.

You seem to think that being an arrogant r'sole is the way to treat people with a different opinion than you....that tells a lot about you and your (lack of) character.....and your little link, well that just smacks of 'if I can't win the argument, I'll take my ball home', see ya little boy. If you would like to say that to my face mate, then I'm sure that can be arranged on your next visit home. Lets see if you are still billy big bollox face to face.

SW2, I agree that is a big issue, personally I feel religious teachings should be external to the national curriculum, thats my opinion - although others will be polarised to it.

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zoec Posted on 13/12 9:37
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

I was going to reply to becks26 and then found that Chutney had said everything already. Apart from the fact that I bought a Piglet on Saturday and I haven't had a stream of outraged Muslims beating a path to my door yet. I'll check again when I get home.

Chutney Posted on 13/12 9:43
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

"this isn't about logic anyway. Its about personal opinions, do not tell me that my personal opinions do not make sense"

Sorry to descend into semantics, but can you explain how you square dismissing logic in the same breath that you insist on what you say making sense? Can't have it both ways.

I'm also intrigued by the way you follow up the "If I can't win the argument" tirade with an (implied) threat of a physical attack.

Let's face it, you don't really need us when you can disagree with yourself so well?

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Boromart Posted on 13/12 10:06
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

Chuts, if littleJimmy is big enough to say 'fook you' to someone on a messageboard, just because they have a polar opinion to himself, then he should be man enough to say it in real life.

I haven't been abusive to him, so I'm not gonna have some idiot who should know better, talking to me in that manner. I wouldn't have someone speak to me like that in a pub, and I won't have it on a messageboard. He has been condescending and arrogant from his first post on this thread. It started with being "rediculously petty-minded" and being told to "gerralife man", followed by the extremely insulting - "The insidious little suggestion you are making there is that Muslims are violent by their very nature.", although at least he appologised for this. This was then topped with the kind of insult that gets you headbutted in most pubs in Teesside. Any implied threats are due to insulting behaviour, and absolutely nothing to do with him having a polar opinion to me.

Regarding logic, LJ brought the concept of logic into this, if he wants to focus on logic, then he can explain why I'm being illogical. Otherwise don't focus on logic, and keep it in the realms of personal opinion. Its as simple as that really. Back your statements up or shut up.



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Chutney Posted on 13/12 10:10
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

I just don't get how you can dismiss logic from opinions. How can you hold an opinion with a voice in the back of your head shouting "you know, if you think about it that's just a load of tripe"?

Or are we talking about impressions, perceptions etc?

Boromart Posted on 13/12 10:11
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

I'm not dismissing logic, of course logic is important. But I have asked him to point out my 'logical gymnastics' and he hasn't. I have asked him to point out my 'contradictions' he hasn't. If he isn't going to back up his claims, then drop any comments about my logic.

I can understand him dismissing my ideology as personal opinion, but there is nothing illogical about it.

If anyones logic is up the swanny it is a man who cherry picks parts of my statements, and completely ignores others, to try and pidgeon hole me as a muslim-hater, when in fact on several occassions I stated catagorically that no religion should benefit from specialist treatment from the council. However it is easier for him to deal with me if he believes I'm just one of those muslim hating, B.N.P. supporting, Ing-er-lund types. which is plainly NOT the case.

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littlejimmy Posted on 13/12 11:11
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

Hey, Boromart, take a chill pill, fella. I'll post a picture of a big fish in a minute. First you're fishing, then you're not...which is it?

I've had many discussions with many different people (in pubs, restaurants and public bogs) in my life and sometimes we've got to the point where neither of us would back down, so one would say, "Oh, fook off" to the other, but then the subject was changed and we moved on. No violence or even the threat of violence was used. What does that tell you?

Maybe you should change the subject before you show yourself up any more than you already have. Oh, and have a nice day!

Boromart Posted on 13/12 11:19
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

You still cannot point out a single bit of hypocracy or twisted logic. Seems like your opnly defence is to say stuff like "show yourself up". Showing yourself up is telling people to fook off on a messageboard. Either do it face-to-face or don't do it, and show a bit of respect for other peoples opinions rather than childishly belittling those who disagree.



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Boromart Posted on 13/12 11:19
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

double post.

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littlejimmy Posted on 13/12 11:29
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

As a pose to non-childishly threatening people from behind a keyboard?


Boromart Posted on 13/12 11:33
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

oh and regarding fishing, I exaggerated one or two things to try and elicit responses from some people, you have to do that on a popular forum....but I had already been accused of attempting to stoke outrage, so I played along with it a bit more.

When you accused me of foaming at the mouth, it was obvious that your impression of me was based on my exaggerated feelings...i.e. fishing. You bought into this image of me as some skinhead, NF, foaming mouthed knucklehead. the general crux of the thread I do and have wholeheartedly agreed with.

Boromart Posted on 13/12 11:35
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

hey if your gonna act like a kid, I'll respond likewise. you can't reason with the immature.

I'd say it to your face as well, if you swear at me.

Mates tell each other to fook off in discussions....strangers don't. You stand in a pub and tell some stranger to fook off then its only gonna escalate. Its disrespectful.



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littlejimmy Posted on 13/12 12:08
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

OK then, after a cursory glance, some contradictions - not verbatim, but they can be checked by reading above:

1. Not answering GE's repeated questions about your motivation for posting, saying he had no right to, but then berating me for not answering your questions later on.

2. Responding to my first post by saying that you are fishing for bites, then saying you believe in what you've posted.

3. Saying in your first post that you are OUTRAGED, then saying later that you are not, "in indignation" (sic).

4. Talking about a negative stereotype (Muslims hate the West), saying that you don't buy it yourself, then proceeding to defend the statement as if it was a fact.

There are probably more, but I'm up to my eyes in work. I hope this helps you.

By the way, I agree about saying fook off to total strangers. I just wouldn't do it, but you're not a stranger, you're someone on a messageboard who I've talked to before. Capiche?

That's it now. I've had it with this thread.

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Boromart Posted on 13/12 12:26
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

I will capitalise just to distinguish my bits from your bits, not for effect...

"1. Not answering GE's repeated questions about your motivation for posting, saying he had no right to, but then berating me for not answering your questions later on."
THIS ISN'T ACTUALLY ANYTHING TO DO WITH LOGIC OF THE DISCUSSION AT HAND. I ANSWERED GES COMMENTS.

2. Responding to my first post by saying that you are fishing for bites, then saying you believe in what you've posted.
I ALSO EXPLAINED THIS, IF YOU READ CORRECTLY YOU WILL SEE WHICH BITS WERE EXAGGERATED AND WHICH WERE REAL. AGAIN ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THE LOGIC OF MY OPINION ON THE SUBJECT UNDER DISCUSSION.

3. Saying in your first post that you are OUTRAGED, then saying later that you are not, "in indignation" (sic).
ALSO EXPLAINED AND AGAIN NOTHING TO DO WITH THE LOGIC OF MY OPINION ON THIS.

4. Talking about a negative stereotype (Muslims hate the West), saying that you don't buy it yourself, then proceeding to defend the statement as if it was a fact.
I DON'T AGREE THAT MUSLIMS (I.E. ALL MUSLIMS) AHTE THE WEST. BUT IT IS ALSO FACTUALLY INCORRECT TO SAY MUSLIMS DO NOT HATE THE WEST, AND THAT IT IS ACTUALLY NAMBY PAMBY COUNCILERS OR THE PRESS THAT ARE CAUSING THE SITUATION. I WAS BRINGING BALANCE TO THE SITUATION BY SAYING THE TRUTH. THAT SOME AND A SIZEABLE NUMBER ARE VOCAL ABOUT HATING THE 'WEST'.

SO ACTUALLY YOU CAN'T FIND ANY BREAKDOWN IN THE LOGIC OF THE SUBJECT AT HAND!

"By the way, I agree about saying fook off to total strangers. I just wouldn't do it, but you're not a stranger, you're someone on a messageboard who I've talked to before. Capiche?"
ON ABOUT TWO OCCASIONS?, I DON'T THINK WE COULD CLASS OURSELVES AS MATES. THEREFORE ITS OUT OF ORDER TELLING ME TO FOOK OFF, AND RIGHTLY SO, YOU GOT A HARSH RESPONSE. YOU DON'T KNOW MY NAME, YOU DON'T KNOW MY AGE, YOU DON'T KNOW IF I'M MARRIED, GAY, ENGLISH, YO DON'T KNOW EHERE I LIVE, IF I HAAVE KIDS, HAVE DWARFISM OR IF I EAT MEAT....THEREFORE WE ARE STRANGERS, NO?




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littlejimmy Posted on 13/12 12:56
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

Desperate people shout.

OK, maybe I was wrong about the logic, but only because there isn't any to find in anything you say whatsoever. I think, in conclusion, that I have demonstrated that you were trolling for a ton. You got it (even though 50% of the posts are by you). Well done. Now show us another trick.

Boromart Posted on 13/12 13:10
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

You said "Desperate people shout. "........but I had said " will capitalise just to distinguish my bits from your bits, NOT for EFFECT". You really should read before posting?

So if you can't find anything wrong with my logic, then why spout about 'logical gymnastics'? You seem to have trouble having a reasoned debate without resorting to tactics aimed at belittling the argument, rather than facing it head on. I'm sure your capable of better than that.

"there isn't any to find in anything you say whatsoever."....or maybe not. Maybe that attitde is ingrained in your psyche and you haven't got it in you to back down from your arrogant position, and actually debate like an adult.

"I think, in conclusion, that I have demonstrated that you were trolling for a ton." Not at all, I wanted a ton yes, but I wanted to prompt people to respond on this issue, and see what peoples attitudes were...unfortunately the main responses were from people that just wanted to be insulting and belittling rather than actually debate on the subject at hand.

I guess that I have leaarnt that people want to pidgeonhole others, and arrogantly dismiss people who they don't agree with. They want to act all cocky and arrogant behind the cover of thier pseudonyms. So I guess I have got a lot more out of this than I expected!

Oh and the thread rached 100 after 13 posts from me, so that would be 13% not 50%, so maths isn't your strong point either?

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Chutney Posted on 13/12 13:19
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

I think the debate about the debate must be 75% longer than the actual debate itself. And 400% more boring.

manhead Posted on 13/12 13:19
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

Do you need to bring a muslim membership card to prove your religous biase? how the heck are they going to impose this...check the car park for taxi's, pizza delivery vans and toyota's? more race/religous stereotypical cobblers.

Boromart Posted on 13/12 13:31
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

Chutney, I'm just defending myself from you and littlejimmys allutions that you are attempting to tarnish my good name with. If your bored go don't read it don't contribute. See ya.

Chutney Posted on 13/12 13:34
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

Nope - I'm just interjecting now and again, whereas you two are in a desperate battle to the death for the last word, and I can prove it.

littlejimmy Posted on 13/12 13:42
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

If you argue like this in the pub, you are more likely to get a punch than someone who tells a stranger to fook off. Then again, everyone would have fallen asleep by that time. Chutney's got it right, but I got addicted to your repeated chomping.

The funniest bit is seeing someone with obviously limited intellect trying to be pedantic and pulling out completely irrelevant, semantic details (like anyone's bothered about the percentage) and arguing different points (you ask for examples of contradictions - get them - go on about logic / your obvious modesty -v- humility confusion - HELLO?). Come on then, let's hear about your IQ. That'll just cap it all off.

Anyhoo, it's been a hoot. I've enjoyed getting under your skin as a diversion from curing AIDS and cancer and inventing a time machine. You see, I may be arrogant, but with good reason. You obviously acknowledge the fact deep down, because you've had many other people giving you stick and abuse for this thread, and you've only really taken exception to me.

Now go and have the last word. Go on, go on, go on. I dare you.


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Boromart Posted on 13/12 13:49
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

148

you seem as intent as me at having the last word, I guess that makes us two stubborn b'stards.

repeated chomping? ah so now your the fisherman? I mean what on earth do you get out of that? eh?eh?

your pedantic arguing has been as bad as mine, your semantical analyses has been worse. But at least I haven't had to retort to continued attempts to insult. Now its my intellect, righto mate. Whatever. last word I dare ya.

speckyget Posted on 13/12 13:51
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

I don't see any reason to bring the Aleutians into this. Haven't they suffered enough?

littlejimmy Posted on 13/12 13:59
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

You see that? That's what I call clever. Specky jumps in with the obscurest reference ever. Even after a desperate Wikipedia search, I don't know what the fook he's on about. It's obviously something one of us has said, and I can't work out what it is. But instead of looking stupid, I'll do this, so it looks like I'm in on the dead clever joke.

@ Specky.

Capybara Posted on 13/12 14:03
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

* nods sagely *

Yeah, @ specky.

littlejimmy Posted on 13/12 14:04
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

Sagely?

I haven't got thyme for this.

Capybara Posted on 13/12 14:09
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

* analyses jimmy's response parsely *

Boromart Posted on 13/12 14:13
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

maybe its thyme I let you cumin from the cold Jimmy. I'm sure your a mint fella really. I'm sick of trading insults, and Im' not gonna retort by calling you a complete dill anymore.

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Chutney Posted on 13/12 14:19
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

Right, this IS war.

As a foet(us) I'd a wanted a special session to myself at the baths, and I don't see why this is any different.

Consider the gauntlet well and truly lobbed.

Boromart Posted on 13/12 14:22
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

oh shut up chutney, this debate has become boring remember I thought you were going.

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Capybara Posted on 13/12 14:28
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speckyget Posted on 13/12 14:30
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

Round of applause for Chutters

Capybara Posted on 13/12 16:08
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

Worth an encore, I think.

Boromart Posted on 13/12 16:18
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

get yer tongue out his cake hole man....you lefties have some strange bloody practices.

Boro_till_I_fry Posted on 13/12 16:27
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

Maybe this guy had the right idea;

Pastor Niemöller:
When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.

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Link: The rewards of apathy?

Boromart Posted on 13/12 16:46
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

ah interesting to see that Asian Dub Foundation paraphrased him. I'm sure Chutney, Jimmy and Capy are shocked to know that I am a fan of and own ADFs Rafi's Revenge. Considering I'm apparantly a muslim-hater, then could it be more ironic that I'm a fan of a politically motivated band of British Muslims.

Downilson Posted on 13/12 16:55
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

Asian Dub Foundation are pillocks though. I remember them at Nottingham Arena screaming something about their occupation or something. No-one was interested though - we wanted to hear Radiohead's ill-thought out slogans not theirs.

Oh and just a small tangent, but referring back to what the council said in their defence, should a British council be telling people what is "negotiable" in their religions or not? I know Muslims who would be appalled at that.

Once again, The Sun (obviously) but also a lot of people here have missed the real story, the real contentious point.

littlejimmy Posted on 13/12 16:58
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

Well I'm a fan of U2, but I'm not a pompous Irish gobshoit with a big nose.

Well, not Irish anway.

Boromart Posted on 13/12 17:02
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

Downilson, a small point, the local council didn't say anything about negotiability, the only person who did that was a 'spokesman' for the local Mosque, who said non-negotiable. I would question who this unnamed person is, and I wouldn't expect someone to negotiate their religious believes, however, that statement was severely lacking tact.

"Well I'm a fan of U2" - now you have just thrown any strand of credibility you had maintained out the window, they have been garbage for well over 10 years. Just play the fookin guitar and turn yer delay off man and drop the poncey stage names.

In which song did Bono sing about being a pompous Irish gobshoit with a big nose. Was it the Fly? I can't tell what he is singing about because of all the voice effects on that song.



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speckyget Posted on 13/12 17:04
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

Gareth: 'And I'm not homophobic, all right? Come round, look at my CDs. You'll see Queen, George Michael, Pet Shop Boys. They're all bummers.'

Boromart Posted on 13/12 17:07
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

, whats that off again? Got it the Office.

To be fair specky, there is a big differance between pop artists and politically motivated artists.



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Boromart Posted on 13/12 17:22
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

oh and may I add..

Link: N.O.

Chutney Posted on 14/12 8:26
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

So what? Some of my best friends are bigots. As I was saying to Nick Griffin the other day.... "Nick, you're a tw @t, why don't you fcuk off?"

Boromart Posted on 14/12 9:11
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

are you alluding to me being a bigot?

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Chutney Posted on 14/12 9:42
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

No, I'm being flippant and facetious. Should have used a smiley, but then again, why make it easy for everyone?

littlejimmy Posted on 14/12 10:46
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

Zyxt.

Buddy Posted on 14/12 10:58
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

Boromart said "allutions" instead of "allusions". So specky said "Aleutians". Are you lot all bloody blind or what?

Chutney Posted on 14/12 11:03
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

Not at all, but it was so obvious it didn't seem worth explaining. Unlike my cracking asafoetida gag.

ripvanwinkle Posted on 14/12 11:27
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

Just some more of my views!
Obviously all of my family are muslims and its safe to say I know quite a large number of other muslims.
Why anyone would want to be run by sharia (muslim) law is beyond me. Most ost of the richest horseowners and entrepeneurs in this country are of Asian descent and would not be able to earn huge amounts of profit under such a system. The only thing that these muslims are doing is increasing racial tension and alienating themselves from society. My view is that if anyone wants to live under sharia law, they should find a country that does that and live there.
Other views shared by myself and relatives: All muslim!
Burn the burkha
National service for anyone coming into the country
Pay for national health (for anyone coming in)
DNA test (for anyone comin in)
Ban favouritism for ethnic origins in police, army, fire brigade, etc (should be right man or woman for the job)
Stop creating larger towns of individual races, ie. bangladesh community, indian community. We should all be living together whatever colour, age, sexual orientation, etc.
Up the boro!

Chutney Posted on 14/12 11:33
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

DNA test? For what?

Boromart Posted on 14/12 11:40
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

wow, thats some radical views Mr RVW. Not sure I agree with national service for anyone coming into the country? Unless its age limited and all british citizens should do it under the same age criteria.

Boromart Posted on 14/12 11:41
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

dNA tests, could be a bit intrusive, and would be treating them like criminals also. I can't argue with your last sentiment, multi-culture means lots of differant cultures under one umbrella, and that just doesn;t work. People of differant creed, colour and opinions need to live, play and work together.



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the_broken_fridge Posted on 14/12 11:44
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

"Ban favouritism for ethnic origins in police, army, fire brigade, etc (should be right man or woman for the job)"

What favoritism?

"Stop creating larger towns of individual races, ie. bangladesh community, indian community. We should all be living together whatever colour, age, sexual orientation, etc."

Which towns of individual races have been created? I've lived in wolverhampton, a town that is ethnically mixed. Everyone there lived together.

Boromart Posted on 14/12 11:48
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

I've lived in Coventry for a couple of years, they didn't live together.

Vinny_Garstroke Posted on 14/12 11:48
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

fridge, are you blind, or really naive?
There are segregated areas in Boro, that have formulated naturally.

the_broken_fridge Posted on 14/12 11:50
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

vinny - after a bite, actually. anyway, as you agree, these 'single race towns' aren't created.

mart - maybe everyone in coventry are just moody fookers.

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Boromart Posted on 14/12 11:55
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

you would be a moody fecker too if you lived in that shittole, and follwed that team.

littlejimmy Posted on 14/12 12:12
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

So specky wasn't being THAT clever. I was looking for something more subtle so missed the obvious thing staring me right in the bleeing face. Like when I go looking for something in the cupboard but can't see it.

That's my excuse. And no-one got my "last word" either.

Boromart Posted on 14/12 12:16
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

I got it Jimmy, but didn't want to reply as you were adam ant, that you wanted the last word (in the english dictionary).

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Boromart Posted on 14/12 12:17
re: Muslim Swimming Hour????

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