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twe12thman Posted on 9/1 15:59
TWE12TH MAN FA CUP SINGING SECTION

Following last nights meeting at The Golden Jubilee in Yarm, first and foremost huge thanks are in order to Yarm Reds for thier hospitality and continued support.

As most of you are no doubt now aware, the Twe12th Man and the club have agreed upon a repeat of the Notts County Singing Section.

As we’re less than a week away, we’d just like to prime fans of this messageboard that we’ll be taking the opportunity to trial some new songs from those we’ve received during this event. Of course it’s not to late for fans to submit any new song ideas. A short, supportive piece we could possibly develop in a live situation would be ideal. Now really is the time. If you’re a little tired of our usual repetois, then we implore you to do something about it.

We would also ask fans who are buying tickets in this Block (Block 21 North Upper) to bring scarves, flags, banners and anything they see fit (no flares sadly). We hope to get clearance from the club for a relaxation of ground rules regarding flags (other than those of club origin). We would like to give the singing section a real European feel - visual as well as vocal. We’re also looking into the possibility of a bass drum being present as a one-off trial. If anyone has any connections and knows of anyone willing to help the cause please mail us at contactus@twe12thman.co.uk and we’ll do the rest.

As fans with a responsibility to try and lift the atmosphere at the Riverside - and given the sizeable contigent expected from Humberside - we, like the team, need YOUR support. Please put aside your personal preferences on how we achieve this and support the Twe12th Man singing Section.

Show YOUR true colours!

rararasputin3 Posted on 9/1 16:04
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The only time I saw any Atmosphere at The Sheffield game was when Boro put some effort in during the 1st ten mins of each half and after the goals.
I would therefore suggest its the players responsibility to create a better atmosphere by doing something to generate some excitement.
Or for the ref to make some balls up.

Turner_86 Posted on 9/1 16:08
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I went in the singing section for the Notts County game, and there were chavs everywhere swapping seats and shouting from one block to another, in fact, I am sure a couple were having sex in the back row of the north east corner.

Okay I lied about the last bit.

MarlonD Posted on 9/1 16:13
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rara - How did you see the atmosphere from Guisborough ?

bororedbri Posted on 9/1 16:16
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I'm all for getting the crowd going but if anyone sits near me no make that the same stadium he will have trouble playing his f"cking drum with his sticks up his ar@e.....BLOODY NUISANCE DRUMMERS

holgateoldskool Posted on 9/1 16:18
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RARA, you saw -rather than heard atmosphere ?? We are blessed to be honoured by your company. Such a man of vision............

rararasputin3 Posted on 9/1 16:28
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I paid £24 to sit in the 12th man inspired morgue of the Riverside on New years day Marlon.
The atmos was worse then last year when there was no 12th man, what is the 12th man achieving?

If you want to be picky about words, its perfectly possible to see an atmosphere, ie people jumping up and down is part of a good atmosphere, I suggest Holgate needs the opticians.

--- Post edited by rararasputin3 on 9/1 16:35 ---

holgateoldskool Posted on 9/1 16:58
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Got my specs on, RARA - not rose tinted of course. Seriously, fella you seem to have a negative feeling towards Twe12th Man and their objectives.Why ? As enthusiasts trying to generate a bit of colour, noise and passion they are to be applauded. Still I am sure you have your reasons.

Many moons ago, it certainly worked with the formation of the Ayresome Angels - this body appears better organised.Get behind it and give it your support.

ive_lost_me_flag Posted on 9/1 17:06
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Im gunna hide after I say this...

but, i found the singing section against notts county dull, annoying and just plain false. It was a good idea, and good thought, don't get me wrong, but i have to disagree with anyone who thought it was a success. Sorry.

and...

"(no flares sadly). "

Well, you really have let yourselves down this time

captain5 Posted on 9/1 17:08
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Was nobody in there wearing their Notts Forest shirts with you, Flaggy??

the_broken_fridge Posted on 9/1 17:12
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"(no flares sadly).

Well, you really have let yourselves down this time "


you wouldn't be saying tht if it was your eye that was being had out.

Bri_Marwood Posted on 9/1 17:12
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"we’ll be taking the opportunity to trial some new songs"

Why? What's wrong with that Boro, Boro, Boro, Boro, Boro, Boro Boro, Boro, Boro, Boro, Boro, Boro Boro, Boro, Boro, Boro, Boro, Boro Boro, Boro, Boro, Boro, Boro, Boro song, I didn't tire of hearing it on Saturday one bit. Lyrics are fairly easy to pick up I should imagine for most of you.

If you're going to try different songs for our replay, could you do a rendition of LA Woman by The Doors? Would mean a lot to me.

holgateoldskool Posted on 9/1 17:12
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You wouldn't suit flares, Flaggy even though retro is so in !

boro_in_lincoln Posted on 9/1 17:13
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Maybe we should all take flares and throw them at flag.

Bri_Marwood Posted on 9/1 17:14
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"no flares sadly"

What is the minimum criteria for bottom of the jeans leg width to avoid the dresscode ban?

Take heed. Stuck in the 70's? Sit somewhere else.

Alright now, baby it's alright now!

holgateoldskool Posted on 9/1 17:14
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Actually,Marwood We've Gotta Get out of this Place was more apt after visiting your delightful city.

onthemap Posted on 9/1 17:15
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Suppose Cappy will be on here shortly then, with his latest ditty!

Bri_Marwood Posted on 9/1 17:16
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Nice one Old Stool, made me chuckle did that :o)

ccole Posted on 9/1 17:22
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No drum for FFS.

Fans are to lazy to sing now. Have you been to Spurs? Full, tight ground, but now the only time there fans sing is when that fuuccking drum prompts them.

A massive step backwards.

Bri_Marwood Posted on 9/1 17:23
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How is a massive step backwards going to help and what are the people on the back row going to do?

bororedbri Posted on 9/1 17:27
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throw the drummer off

RedWurzel Posted on 9/1 17:29
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Well done 12th Man you are doing an excellent job.

Keep you the good work and they will come.

RaRa - Did you get slippers and a pipe for Xmas? If we were at Ayresome still, I wouldn't let you out of the South Terrace.

Islandstone Posted on 9/1 17:55
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How I love Twe12th Man =)

Sounds great, keep up the good work!
Finally someone with enthusiasm and passion.

"As fans with a responsibility to try and lift the atmosphere at the Riverside "

SPOT ON! It`s the least we should do for our beloved Boro.

number_10 Posted on 9/1 18:06
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It'd be a decent experiment if you tried this for a match when a decent crowd is likely.

Flint_Stone Posted on 9/1 18:21
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'I paid £24 to sit in the 12th man inspired morgue of the Riverside on New years day Marlon.
'The atmos was worse then last year when there was no 12th man, what is the 12th man achieving?'

HEY ASSHOLE why dont you do something about it instead of slagging others off - bet your the sort that sits there, never sings or says owt and on the way home says'crap atmosphere' people like u do my head in.

Senor_Chester Posted on 9/1 19:35
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I've accidently bought a ticket in the 12th man section, now I'm gonna have to go all the way back to the ticket office to change the bloody thing.

CAPSLOCK1 Posted on 9/1 20:05
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IVE DONE LOADS OF SONGS TW12MAN MATE.

CAPSLOCK1 Posted on 9/1 20:13
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LINTHORPE ROAD
TAKE ME HOME
TO THE PLACE WERE I BELONG
MIDDLESBORO
OF TEESSIDE
TAKE ME HOME
LINTHORPE ROAD.

COUNTRY ROAD.

CAPSLOCK1 Posted on 9/1 20:14
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WHEN I WAS JUST A LITTLE BOY
I ASKED MY MOTHER WHAT SHALL I BE
SHOULD I BE GEORDIE SHOULD I BE SCOUSE
HERES WHAT SHE SAID TO ME

BE BORO BORO
ALWAYS BE LOYALE AND TRUE
COZ BOROS THE TEAM FOR YOU.

TO THE TUNE OF QUE SERA SERA.

CAPSLOCK1 Posted on 9/1 20:17
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IN THE TOWN WHERE I WAS BORN
WE ALL TAKE CRACK COCAINE
WE HAVE CASH BUT WE ARE MEAN
IN YAKUBUS SUBMARINE
Chorus:
We all live in Yakubu's Submarine
Yakubu's Submarine
Yakubu's Submarine
We all live in Yakubu's Submarine.

boro_in_lincoln Posted on 9/1 20:18
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Will the Twe12th Man be producing a flag with CAPSLOCK's face on it, after all the hard work he's put into his songwriting?

It could be placed at the top of block 21 on nights like these.

the_broken_fridge Posted on 9/1 20:23
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IN THE TOWN WHERE I WAS BORN
WE ALL TAKE CRACK COCAINE
WE HAVE CASH BUT WE ARE MEAN
IN YAKUBUS SUBMARINE
Chorus:
We all live in Yakubu's Submarine
Yakubu's Submarine
Yakubu's Submarine
We all live in Yakubu's Submarine.


WTF?

boro1179 Posted on 9/1 20:46
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I like this lad CAPSLOCK. He's one crazy mo fo. That Yakubu submarine song is sheer madness. Keep it up kidda.

CAPSLOCK1 Posted on 9/1 20:46
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ITS SIMPLY JUST A RANDOM BORO SONG LOL.

CAPSLOCK1 Posted on 9/1 20:47
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CHEERS LINCOLN FOR THE FLAG IDEA LOL AND CHEERS BORO.

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mcbrid Posted on 10/1 0:12
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Smoggy, smoggy, smoggy!
Oi,Oi,Oi!
Smoggy!
Oi!
Smoggy!
Oi!
Smoggy, smoggy, smoggy!
Oi,Oi,Oi!

Simple, dont have to sing, ours.

Dont understand why we dont do this?

holgateoldskool Posted on 10/1 7:47
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Here's one for our friends up the road.....

The smog on the tees makes you wheeze, you wheeze,
The smog on the Tees makes you wheeze - BORO

to Fog on the Tyne ( obvious !)

rararasputin3 Posted on 10/1 9:11
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"HEY ASSHOLE why dont you do something about it instead of slagging others off - bet your the sort that sits there, never sings or says owt and on the way home says'crap atmosphere' people like u do my head in. "


Well done Flintstone just managed to slag off 15000 Boro fans, who that describes! The typical "superior" attitude of the 12th man.

mowbrays_number_4 Posted on 10/1 11:00
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its not a'superior' attitude,its one of 'lets do something to improve the atmosphere instead of just complaining that its shiite!!!!'

Vinny_Garstroke Posted on 10/1 11:07
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A fucqin Drum?!?!

<Shakes head in utter dismay>

the_broken_fridge Posted on 10/1 11:08
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what's wrong with a drum vinny? Would you prefer a trombone?

Personally, I reckon the oboe is the way forward.

Piquet2 Posted on 10/1 11:09
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I can only sense one superior attitude on here.

captain5 Posted on 10/1 11:10
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Guisborough Town fans are like that, PK.

rararasputin3 Posted on 10/1 11:22
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An example of feeling superior is "People who dont sing at football arent as good a supporter as me" ie the 12th man attitude.
I rarely feel superior, though one example would be "I feel superior over little weasels who try to get off with schoolgirls."

Ayresome Angel Posted on 10/1 11:25
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I've been stuck in limbo without a PC for the past 18 months and so along with FINALLY being re-introduced to this board, I'm only just grasping the twe12th man concept.
That said, I think it's excellent that a group of fans are getting together and actively doing something to improve the atmosphere at the Riverside as it has been extremely dull for a good few years now. I'm not particularly keen on the sound of drums at a match (Bolton away!) however, if we try as many new ideas as possible we'll soon find one that suits us.
Those people who strongly appose drums at the footie, perhaps make alternative suggestions instead or wait until after the match and give constructive thoughts and opinions. You never know, it might just work...

mowbrays_number_4 Posted on 10/1 11:28
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its an attitude that is only perceived by you.

The twe12th man encourages people to create an atmosphere,it is voluntary.If people don't want to join in then thats fine,no one has said that those who sing are superior.

Its your feeble attempt at a wind up.You'll have to improve.

the_broken_fridge Posted on 10/1 11:32
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The way I look at it is:

if people want to do something like this and help to improve the atmosphere then go ahead - who am I to say not to? The 'forced' singing is not for me, but it is for others.

12th man is a good thing as it unites a sizeable chuck of fans in a common aim - making the match day experience better and supporting the team. The banners, for example, are great.

Still, it's no substitute for a winning team playing good quality football though.

ChrisTheRed Posted on 10/1 11:32
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O Middlesbrough, O Middlesbrough
Is WOnderful, Is Wonderful
O Middlesbrough is wonderful
Its full of coke, prozzies and the Boro
O Middlesbrough is wonderful

fluteloop Posted on 10/1 11:35
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Yeah the only problem with this is that there's going to be a shoite crowd. It's a good idea but maybe employed in later rounds when there's going to be bigger crowds, otherwise i think it may look and sound quite cheesy!

captain5 Posted on 10/1 11:38
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It's not 'forced' singing though, Fridge.

It's a case of, "here is a section of the ground, where people who want to make a bit of noise and hopefully start an atmosphere that spreads round the ground, can sit, if they want to. If you don't think that's for you, sit somewhere else."

We know that when likeminded people who do want to sing songs etc get together they can help bring those who are a bit more shy about starting songs to join in.

I'm sure that even mowbrays_number_4 was a bit shy about starting songs once upon a time.

Okay maybe not.

Piquet2 Posted on 10/1 11:41
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This is what should have happened when we first moved to the Riverside.

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ChrisTheRed Posted on 10/1 11:43
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Whos this TWE13TH man your all talking of?

the_broken_fridge Posted on 10/1 11:45
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fair enough, cap. good points.

I do still think, however, that the whole kind of designated area thing is forcing it a bit.

But as I said, I'm not going to complain. If it works, brilliant.

rararasputin3 Posted on 10/1 11:45
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The only time on new years day when there was any noise was the goals and the odd occasion Boro put some effort in on the pitch.(I went for the benefit on capt5)
Ive said before and continue to be proved correct, its what happens on the pitch that creates atmosphere, always has been including at Ayresome (for 12thman members the ground Boro played at before the Riverside) and always will be.
No ones answered the question of why the atmosphere is worse with the 12thman then it was without the 12thman.

--- Post edited by rararasputin3 on 10/1 11:48 ---

Vinny_Garstroke Posted on 10/1 11:47
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To appear less patronising, they should drop the 'Show YOUR true colours' catchphrase.

Piquet2 Posted on 10/1 11:47
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"No ones answered the question why the atomsphere is worse with the 12thman then it was without the 12thman."....How would you know?

captain5 Posted on 10/1 11:50
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It definitely should've happened when we moved to the Riverside but hindsight is a great thing.

If we can get the singing section to be proven to work on a small scale then perhaps it can be moved on from there in future seasons.

rararasputin3 Posted on 10/1 12:01
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I would know as Ive been to 3 games this season and never missed a game in the 16 years previously.
Im just wandering why the 12thman were sat silent like everyone else for large periods at the Sheffield game, dont you practice what you preach?

mowbrays_number_4 Posted on 10/1 12:01
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rasputin - you're not saying anything radical when you say that the atmosphere is better when the team play well.Everyone fan in the land knows that,but what happens when the team aren't performing as well as you want them to?

Do you not support them to help them through the bad spell? Its also common knowledge that a vocal backing can help the team,so instead of the team lifting the fans why not the fans lift the team.

BTW,i,ve been to AP many,many times and 80+ away grounds following the boro.

captain5 Posted on 10/1 12:03
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Bless, he probably thinks that people from the Twe12th Man sit together at games.

thesmogster Posted on 10/1 12:24
Twe12th Man Singing Section

I personally think those Twe12th Man lads (and lasses) deserve a huge medal each for trawling through the abject negativity to make a stand in the first place and DO SOMETHING ABOUT THINGS!

The team needs support - ever more so as stadiums grow and opposition support becomes more numerical than in the past. We simply have to make ourselves heard. If you go to games now - or indeed in the past at Ayresome in the mid eighties when things were a damned sight worse - you obviously care about YOUR team and YOUR club, so do as Steve Gibson did 20 years ago. Show some passion for gods sake!

COME ON BORO!

rararasputin3 Posted on 10/1 12:32
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It only takes one man to start singing then a few others nearby join in and thus it spreads.Ive sat in the North stand enough to know that the singing is often started by just one man.Big bald lad on the lower tier.
Not one 12thman could be bothered to start the singing against Sheffield, practice what you preach or dont lecture us.

holgateoldskool Posted on 10/1 12:35
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RARA, easiest thing in the world to knock.What initiative would you suggest seeing as Twe12th Man doesn't seem to work for you ?

Islandstone Posted on 10/1 12:37
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SPOT ON, thesmogster!

The Twe12th Man should be fully supported!

We really should have more fans like those.
They seem to have a very great attitude :)

Instead of slagging and moaning, DO something about things!

Just the way it SHOULD be<3

Up The Twe12th Man!!!! :)

thesmogster Posted on 10/1 12:37
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rararasputin3 - It’s official. I can personally guarantee that you have absolutely NO IDEA what your talking about.

You’re observations on who sings and who doesn’t are completely misplaced and you miss the whole point of T12M. The ‘bald bloke in the lower tier of the North Stand‘ you refer to is, just as you unwittingly are, are all part of the Twe12th Man.

YOU ARE A DISGRACE!

rararasputin3 Posted on 10/1 12:43
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The point being someone has to start the singing, for long periods of time there is no singing, why doesnt a 12thmaner start the singing as they like to preach about it?
How does stating that fact make me a disgrace? The disgrace is the 12thman who tell us what to do, then dont do it themselves.

rob_fmttm Posted on 10/1 12:43
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When the Riverside was being planned reps from the FSA and Supporters Club did meet with the club to talk about the new ground etc. Fans did try and talk Boro into making North Stand an area where you could sit where you want - the idea was that would help make it more like the Holgate and encourage people that wanted to sing to gravitate together etc.

Also there were discussions about singing areas, bands all sorts - I don't think many fans would have welcomed this at that time. I know I would have been dead against a designated singing area. But times change and if supporters can now work with the club to help UP the atmosphere then that has to be a good thing surely.

mowbrays_number_4 Posted on 10/1 12:49
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who is telling anyone what to do?Encouraging maybe,but not telling.There is a difference.

it is all down to choice.

davyboy2004 Posted on 10/1 12:55
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Twe12th Man are just a bunch of well meaning middle class people who are in my opinion completely clueless. Singing section I ask you what is the world coming to when there is a section designated for singing at a football match!!

Its such a bizarre concept- so if you dont sit in that section does that mean you cant sing??

mowbrays_number_4 Posted on 10/1 12:58
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davyboy and rasputin - what are your suggestions as to improving the atmosphere that the fans can do?

we've already had the 'if the team plays better' arguement.So what is it that the fans can do to improve the atmosphere?

Piquet2 Posted on 10/1 13:00
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"what are your suggestions as to improving the atmosphere that the fans can do?"....Support Guisborough?

Ayresome Angel Posted on 10/1 13:08
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I can't see what the argument is here...

The singing section is not designed with the idea that no-one in the ground is allowed to sing. That's a stupid point to make.

It just gives like minded fans the opportuniy to sit together, if they want to. There are planty more stands to sit in away from block 21 if you don't want to.

I can't see why people are moaning/critisising the idea. If it's not for you then fine but it's not going to harm you in any way if some fans chose to sit together and sing.

thesmogster Posted on 10/1 13:15
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The twe12thman DO start the singing. THAT’S THE WHOLE POINT - WE’RE ALL PART OF T12M!

In later posts, to class the people who, firstly recongnised the Riverside problem and then actually try and rectify it by initiatiating the concept of the Twe12th Man as ’just a bunch of well meaning middle class people who are in my opinion completely clueless’ is ridiculous. I can assure anyone who is in any doubt that these people are prepared to put thier own reputation on the line for the benefit of everyone - without prejudice and do not seek martyr status.

Personally, I can’t accept that these people are clueless. The surfer continues to be an inspiration and who can forget the spectacular Steaua Card Display which every Boro fan I have spoken to is rightly proud to be associated with.

The Twe12th Man is about choice. Make yours by all means. But if any fan is not prepared to do thier bit that’s fine by I guess - but they have little room for criticism for those who do want to.

COME ON BORO

davyboy2004 Posted on 10/1 13:41
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In response to Ayresome Angel, have you consulted the season ticket holders who like to sit in their own seats who happen to be in Block 21.

Now you are saying that if supporters dont like it tough move somewhere else. Who are you to say that??

Is this the official stance of the football Club I would think not and also is this the official stance of the TWE12TH MAN.

Wanting to create a European feel..... I find the whole thing laughable.

davyboy2004 Posted on 10/1 13:48
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I must also say that if people want to meet in pubs then go for it, but come on if you think that having a singing section in 1 block is going to give the match a European feel then more fool you.

rob_fmttm Posted on 10/1 14:04
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You can of course choose to sing or not sing wherever you want at the Riverside - all this initiative is about is saying - if you would like to get together with other fans that want to sing and chant at the Hull game then here is a block of seats where you can band together. I don't think it will be anything that other's sitting in that Block should find offensive. It's just a means whereby people can sit together and "sing their hearts out for the lads."

What can possibly be wrong in that?

--- Post edited by rob_fmttm on 10/1 14:06 ---

captain5 Posted on 10/1 14:19
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Season ticket holders aren't guaranteed their own seat for the game anyway.

So nothing has changed except you can, if you wish ask for a ticket where there is likely to people singing more than would normally be the case in a single area.

davyboy2004 Posted on 10/1 14:22
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Rob- Firstly of course people can choose to sing or not sing in all parts of the ground that is not up for debate.

But heres the think what the TWE12TH are implicity saying that if you want to be with like minded people who want to sing wave flags and beat a bass drum then block 21 is for you.

With the greatest respect its not for you to say that it wont be offensive to other supporters( and not others!!) it is also up to the people who like to sit in block 21 and who are with like minded people who do not like to have a bass drum rammed in their faces inter alia.

thesmogster Posted on 10/1 15:06
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How ironic that the majority of this thread has been spent discussing the merits of who’s right and who’s wrong. All that’s important here is that OUR team receive the backing that they need to be as sucessful as is possible.

It’s simple really. If some fans don’t like what the Twe12th Man propose to achieve this, please just STAY AWAY!

Vinny_Garstroke Posted on 10/1 15:12
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So people who think this twe12th man business is just a load of self-gratifying bollox, ran by the self-important, should STAY AWAY?

thesmogster Posted on 10/1 15:18
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...you mean the fans in general who display nothing but abject negativity - ABSOLUTELY YES!

davyboy2004 Posted on 10/1 15:39
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The Smogster there in lies the problem: By singing waving flags and banging a drum will not make the team successful.I'm sorry but thats just harsh reality.

Moreover MFC will embrace groups such as the TWE12TH man in the vein attempt they might sell more tickets.

I would like to ask how they measure success if it's what happened when Notts county come to town then I would say they are a failure or was it the players who failed or maybe both.......

rob_fmttm Posted on 10/1 15:54
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davy - I go to the match because I enjoy going - what is your motivation?

Piquet2 Posted on 10/1 15:58
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Simple question - Can I ask what is wrong with wanting to support your team?

Ayresome Angel Posted on 10/1 16:09
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Davy, it is my understanding that for this particular match, season ticked holders cannot buy their own seat? If this is the case I can't see how the idea of people having the opportunity to sit together offends anybody.

And at no point did I say "if you don't like it tough."

What I said was that if you don't like it, that's fine. Of course everybody is entitled to their own opinion, however for this game and this game only there are plenty of other blocks to sit in.

(and I didn't mention flag waving either...just for the record...!)

rob_fmttm Posted on 10/1 16:11
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AA - you get your own seat if in North and East stands and you ticked that box at the start of the season to say send me every cup ticket and take the money from my account.

davyboy2004 Posted on 10/1 16:26
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Rob- ditto plus I was there in Xanthi when keith lamb wanted your shirt to give to the people behind the bar.

Piquet2- Nothing

For the record I find it very offensive people are questioning my support to the team that I love and will always love and spend a fortune following.

I dont agree with the TWE12TH MAN but that's my opinion please respect that I respect yours.

The only thing that was good about the heerenveen friendly was having a lovely chat with Keith Lamb at the train station. 13 Boro supporters in attendance.

thesmogster Posted on 10/1 16:32
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The opposition shown to what some ordinary fans are trying to achieve - and for the benefit of everyone - simply astounds me.

Davy, you like rararasputin_3 miss the point. Never has it been suggested that the flag waving and drum banging will directly make the team more successful. But what we can do as fans. We should. If you don’t want to be part of it then the choice is there for you not to. But don’t ridicule those who are trying to make a difference.

One trophy in 130 years is a fair return considering the kind of backing the team traditionally has to endure. Predictably though, the cynics posting here will undoubtedly turn this on its head to the view that the team are to blame.

’Bring back Charles Amer‘ I hear the cry!

rob_fmttm Posted on 10/1 16:37
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Glad you were there at Xanthi and Heerenveen - and sorry for questioning your support of Boro. The only reason I asked your motivation was because you were questioning whether the 12th man can affect the team on the pitch. Maybe it can maybe it can't but thats probably not the main point. If by bringing a few fans and few pairs of lungs together it helps some fans get more enjoyment out of match day then surely that is good.

The 12th man people are not super fans they are not putting themselves on podiums but they are just trying to think of ways to make matchday more colourful and filled with atmosphere. At the moment they have the ear of the club who of course want to sell more tickets. But then again who doesn't want more people in the Riverside? Who doesn't want to see the North Stand rocking?

You're right we can't control the team's results but if some people want to sing, put up banners and generally have a good time then surely that is not a bad thing.

thesmogster Posted on 10/1 16:40
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Davy: ‘13 Boro supporters in attendance’

Personally, I wasn’t there at the Heerenveen friendly, and I can only deduce from what you say - and after caling to question the Twe12th Man ‘suprefan’ motives - are you not implying some sort of elitist status over those who chose not to go?

If not, what exactly does it imply?

the_broken_fridge Posted on 10/1 16:52
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"One trophy in 130 years is a fair return considering the kind of backing the team traditionally has to endure. Predictably though, the cynics posting here will undoubtedly turn this on its head to the view that the team are to blame."



I'm having a little trouble with this statement. Reading it, it seems that you are saying the fans are mainly to blame for a lack of success. Logically, then, if they fans are brilliant then we would be successful. (The geordies, anyone?).

And it also implies that we are worse than teams that have won more.

Why would it be cynical to analyse teams past and why they didn't succeed? I would have thought that would have had more of a bearing on success.

As far as arguments in favour of 12th man go, it is fairly weak.

davyboy2004 Posted on 10/1 16:55
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Smogster- As stated earlier in the thread I get every cup ticket and the money is taken out of my account and so do many others that I know in Block 21.

As a supporter of many years and who has put my money where my mouth is by stating I will go to every cup match TWE12TH MAN and people like you come along and say to me well if you dont like it dont come. What give s you the right to say to me if you dont like it dont come to the match.

Absolute disgrace.

thesmogster Posted on 10/1 17:14
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”As a supporter of many years ...and who has put my money where my mouth is by stating I will go to every cup match ...What gives you the right to say to me if you dont like it dont come to the match ...Absolute Disgrace”



You know absolutlely nothing about me. Who I am. What I stand for. How many games I’ve been to (it that is important in your world) etc, etc.

You lower yourself beyond the level to which you call to question.

thesmogster Posted on 10/1 17:53
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Can people concentrate on submitting songs please?

90% of this thread has been wasted on futile and pointless debate. The Singing Section is going ahead wether we like it or not as fans. It’s a trial. It’ll be different and who knows it may just help borderline fans to enjoy thier football a bit more.

Best of all, ITS FOR EVERYONE - ENJOY IT.

the_broken_fridge Posted on 10/1 18:24
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"One trophy in 130 years is a fair return considering the kind of backing the team traditionally has to endure. Predictably though, the cynics posting here will undoubtedly turn this on its head to the view that the team are to blame."


are you standing by this?

TRANSITARMY Posted on 10/1 18:50
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Some of the low attendance games from the past two seasons i.e. league cup and UEFA games had a better atmosphere than a full house, this was without the need of a so called "singing section".
Don't get me wrong on this, but I think the advent of all seater stadia has split the more motivated fans up.
When the Riverside was opened most fans went for the cheap seats regardless of wether they sang or not, so a definite kop area could not be formed and thats where the main problem lies.
Things won't change unless crowds fall even lower with the effect of free seating in the North stand, which nobody wants to see.
Good luck with the singing section but please no drums, especially near the North West corner.

RedWurzel Posted on 10/1 19:44
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A few points

I was reading the Class of 86 book over Xmas. It was mentioned a few times that opposition teams hated coming to Ayresome, particularly when they we in their dressing room waiting to go out. Wouldn't it be wonderful if we can recreate even some of that fear at the Riverside.

Secondly singing in the Holgate was usually in the centre right. You went there if you wanted to sing and moved more to the edges of the Holgate if you didn't want to sing or just join in occasionally. There was a sort of order, but no labels or planning because people were free to move around. That can't be done at the Riverside because you have a dedicated seat, so a singing area has to be more formalised, it seems fairly logical to me. If you don't want to sing don't buy a seat in Block 21.

Thirdly, To me the UEFA Final was a bit of an eye opener in the way Sevilla fans were almost worth a extra goal (their 12th Man), because in part they were organised and acted as one body. I knew inside more could be done at the Boro to make it possible here, but it need more discussion, planning and action from alot of Boro fans. For the Premiership we have a small fan base, but this can be used to our advantage, because it is so localised, we have a greater common identity, the team represents our small area of the UK, unlike say MU whose fans are spread every where and beyond supporting MU their fans may have no feelings for the Manchester area. Also it is easier for our fans to meet and communicate and it doesn't take much to make the world is against us.

The Gibbo banner I thought was excellent with the Words "one of us" I would have added "now, before now and in the future". How many other Prem Clubs can say that about their Chairman.

I have the utmost respect for those who are trying to change things for the better. I can't attend 12th Man meetings but I have sent them money. I don't think us Boro fans are a bad lot, but I want us to be best and the maximise our full potential. We can never compete financially with some possibly most of the Premiership at present, but we can let everyone know we are no pushovers.

CAPSLOCK1 Posted on 10/1 20:25
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I STILL MIGHT BE GETTIN A DRUM FOR THT MATCH BUT A DONT KNOW IF I HAVE THE BOTTLE TO DO IT.PEOPLE MIGHT NOT LIKE IT SO I DONT KNOW I PROBALY WILL A DONT KNOW.

bblf Posted on 10/1 21:08
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ok

emm_eff_see Posted on 10/1 21:23
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cant believe some of the jokers on here tryin to slag off the 12th man
whats wrong with an initiative with the boro in its best interest? they arent exactly doin any harm

twe12thman Posted on 11/1 8:11
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Interesting debate on the Singing Section.

We realise how we do one or two things may not be to everyones specific liking. We are sympathetic to the majority of feedback we get, however, we as fans, have to try all we can to improve things and that sometimes that includes going against the popular beliefs of many.

All we ask is for your support with what we are trying to achieve and an understanding ear as to why we’re doing it when we do. The team and the club’s interests are first and foremost in our minds. We genuinely want to make things better.

CAPSLOCK1:
Thanks for your enthusiasm for new songs and your willingness to source a drum. The song ideas have been noted and you may hear some (or variations) of them come Tuesday night!

As far as the drum is concerned, please don’t feel inhibited with wanting to supply a drum by virtue of feeling a fool using it at the match. If you would just like to supply the Twe12th Man and someone else to use it, just drop us an email at twe12thman@yahoo.co.uk and one of us will arrange to collect it if it’s suitable.

COME ON BORO


. If you want to have a go at using it at the game then you have our blessing to do so. We would hope to help out with

BroughtonLad Posted on 11/1 8:59
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Keep up the good work.
It is a real shame that we have so many people who are critical with what the TWE12TH Man is trying to achieve.
What is wrong with trying out new ideas to help make The Riverside a more enjoyable place to go.
WELL DONE LADS AND LASSES !!
The problem with most of the moaners is that they don't have any passion for MFC.
They would rather stay in the pubs and clubs and drink themselves silly than get behind THEIR team.
PS I will be in the East Lower away from the Drum
But I will cheer the lads on 100%

ThePerfectOmlette Posted on 11/1 9:00
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It seems this 12th man stuff has divided the fans,
Pro 12th man, Nutrals, and anti-12th man

as a nutral, i couldnt give a toss, but i do see it as the 12th man's problem, you need to sort this infighting as nothing will be achieved with the current problems.

you need to make others more included without them being directly involved, as some who dont feel included automaticaly react negativly.

how about posting the minuets from your meetings on here or having a piece in the programme, (sorry if thes have been done/suggested)

any chance the 12th man can pull some stings to get cheaper tickets for cup game, (see Blackburn Rovers,) people would see that as a sucsess.
Next time the club do lower ticket prices if the 12th man could claim some credit then that would convince people the cause is worthy and stop some infighting.

good luck with the ochestra.

davyboy2004 Posted on 11/1 10:00
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ThePerfectOmlette- Spot on mate I totally agree I think if the TWE12THMAN were seen to have an effect on tickets prices which in turn would lead to increased attendances this can only be good for everyone.

Excellant idea putting minutes on forum such as FMTTM that way you get buy in from supporters like myself who feel excluded.

I appreciate there are meetings but a lot of people cant get to them but most people can access the internet.

the_broken_fridge Posted on 11/1 10:02
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In fairness there is a link the 12th man website at the top of the FMTTM board.

12th man won't be able to do that much in terms of FA Cup ticket prices. They're set by the FA.

relfyoftheboro Posted on 11/1 10:06
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The Twe12th man has not divided fans. There is a very small minority who for some bizarre reason have taken the whole initiative the wrong way.

With regard to having minutes from the meetings put up. A detailed summary of the the meetings is posted on the official Twe12th Man site. As well as the meeting summary is a mission statement and this should tell you all you want to know about the Twe12th Man.

COME ON BORO

--- Post edited by relfyoftheboro on 11/1 10:07 ---

davyboy2004 Posted on 11/1 10:11
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TBF- the ticket prices are set by both clubs with the FA taking a cut because it's their compo., However I digress.

I was actually talking about games that historically have not seen big attendances.

the_broken_fridge Posted on 11/1 10:13
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agreed the clubs set the prices - but there is the lower limit set by the FA. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

rararasputin3 Posted on 11/1 10:24
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What divides the fans about the 12thman is the sort of idiots that say things like "If you dont agree with everything the 12thman does you cant be a real supporter, so dont go to watch the boro any more"
Surely we should be alowed an opinion that diviates from the 12thman and the football club?
Weed those sort of idiots out of the 12thman and you will see a lot less attacks on the 12thman.

Vinny_Garstroke Posted on 11/1 10:29
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The twel12th man top table dwellers on this thread seem to be wannabe Che Guevaras, only they lack the charisma, and ideas to attract followers.

relfyoftheboro Posted on 11/1 10:37
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"If you dont agree with everything the 12thman does you cant be a real supporter, so dont go to watch the boro any more"

Making stuff up to suit your own arguements is not going to make you right rara. Your obsession with the Twe12th man is worrying especially given that you have turned your back on the Boro and now support Guisborough week in, week out. If youve lost interest in supporting your team why be so negative towards ones that still do?

COME ON BORO

holgateoldskool Posted on 11/1 10:46
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It amazes me that there are fans who are critical about the motives and intentions of Twe12th man initiatives. Take Rara as a classic case - quick to be critical yet when I challenge him to come forward with his suggestions - they are ????

I have questioned numerous matters around the club but it really irks me that there are those who have a pop at Twel12th man,don't want to get involved and see it as something of a elitist concept. Such shallowness.......

andy_pitkin Posted on 11/1 11:21
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Anyone who tries to do anything positive to support my team no matter in what format or in what forum will have my backing.

Cynicism is a truly tragic affliction.

What is most tragic about this whole thread was the pathetic attempt to stigmatise a group of people by labelling them "Middle-Class". My experience is that people who resort to this have often been abused in some way by people with better clothing, a sharper haircut and (dare I say it) a higher standard of personal hygiene. This kind of bitterness was best left in the gulag.

COME ON BORO

rararasputin3 Posted on 11/1 11:40
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"davy - I go to the match because I enjoy going - what is your motivation?" Rob FMTTM an example of people being made out not to be proper supporters who question the 12thman, by a 12thman supporter.
"HEY ASSHOLE why dont you do something about it instead of slagging others off - bet your the sort that sits there, never sings or says owt and on the way home says'crap atmosphere' people like u do my head in." Flintstone, an example of being slagged off by 12thman supporters for daring to criticise the 12thman.

For 30 odd years Ive been watching the Boro Ive never seen widespread singing unless it was inspired by what happens on the pitch.

One suggestion I made was "It only takes one man to start the singing and others will follow, why dont some 12thmen committee people start the singing in the large periods of hush?"

davyboy2004 Posted on 11/1 12:48
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Andy Pitkin

I am very lucky in that I spend a lot of money following the boro due to me having my own company for several years now and work with several blue chip clients mostly in the Uk, However, I do find these days that Im travelling more and more to Dubai, which by the way is a lovely place.

andy_pitkin Posted on 11/1 13:48
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Davy

I find it more cost effective to fly to Sharjah and the traffic is more hospitable around there too.
I spend more time in Doha and if you ever get to the Sheraton be sure to look me up.

XboroX Posted on 11/1 13:55
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I think the 12th man e-mail addy is buggered.

davyboy2004 Posted on 11/1 14:01
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Ap

I've managed to get my own place there now, however please send me your contact details and I will be more than happy to meet up for a few beers.

Over there in 3 weeks time.

andy_pitkin Posted on 11/1 14:12
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db2004

Will do matey

davyboy2004 Posted on 11/1 14:19
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AP

Great stuff

Looking forward to having a few beers with you. Just do a FAO on the site and I will respond ASAP.

When are you over there next?

ThePerfectOmlette Posted on 11/1 14:55
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someone wise once said;

"you can please some of the people some of the time but you can please all of the people all of the time"

The fact is the 12man needs to be seen as inclusive and transparent as possible or you will come under sceptical critisim,

Im sure you think you are being as transparent and open as possible but their is always room for improvment,

Although I have no interst what they are doing particulary and would not visit their website, if the minuets or plans were viewable here i may take more of an interest and could be more likley buy into the whole concept.

Bottom line is more can be achieved if you have more people on your side, dont try too hard (it puts people off) just be transparent and open.

"if you build it they will come"

rob_fmttm Posted on 11/1 15:01
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The fact is 12th man do publish details of every meeting here on this message board - there is also a permanent link at the top of the page to their site where the details are always on display.

If anyone from 12th man would like to write an article for this website from time to time then I would gladly publish it.

CAPSLOCK1 Posted on 11/1 15:49
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CHEERS MATE.

CAPSLOCK1 Posted on 11/1 15:57
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HEYYY HEYYY CHRISTIE
WHO HA
A WONNA KNOWWWWWW
WHEN YA SCORE A GOAL.

CHRISTIE BECAUSE NO ONE UPFRONT FITS.

--- Post edited by CAPSLOCK1 on 11/1 15:59 ---

CAPSLOCK1 Posted on 11/1 16:01
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HE GOES DOWN THE LEFT
HE GOES DOWN THE RIGHT
STEWIE DOWNING IS DYNAMITE

OR

HE GOES DOWN THE LEFT
HE GOES DOWN THE RIGHT
STEWIE DOWNING MAKES YOU LOOK S.HITE.

CAPSLOCK1 Posted on 11/1 16:16
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JONNY WOODGATE
THE FINEST WE HAVE SEEN
ENGLAND CENTRE BACK HE WILL SURELY BE.

RULE BRITANIA.

Boro85 Posted on 11/1 16:23
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The minutes from all the past minutes are available on the website. Thats pretty transparent. They also get emailed out to anyone who is interested in them.

CAPSLOCK1 Posted on 11/1 16:35
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OBLADI OBLADA LIFE GOES ON
BORO
LA LA LA LA LIFE GOES ON
OBLADI OBLADA LIFE GOES ON
BORO
LA LA LA LA LIFE GOES ON
OBLADI OBLADA LIFE GOES ON
BORO
LA LA LA LA LIFE GOES ON
.

OBLADI OBLADA LIFE GOES ON.

RedWurzel Posted on 11/1 19:04
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Just to correct a RaRa point

Singing from the Holgate was common before games kicked off in the 1970s, I remember going to a game in 77 against Birmingham City and a mate saying it was quiet at 2.30pm as singing hadn't begun, although the singing did drop off in the early and mid 80s as crowds dropped.

I agree the performance of the team affects singing/chanting. Typical Boro was and still is to some degree, some singing at the beginning then quiet, with a build up from the second half and throughout the second half.

As said before the fan base has changed, at Ayresome I felt Middle Class, as I didn't pee on the terrace or spit. Now at the Riverside I feel working class, because I don't go to games in a Barbour jacket. Its difficult as you have to have a bit of money to go to Premiership games, but it is and was often those without much money that brought the most passion. I thiink it affecting alot of clubs.

tony_mongtana Posted on 11/1 19:43
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Why wasn't the meeting held in Doctor Browns? Didn't they have enough pegs for your anoraks?

sasboro Posted on 11/1 19:46
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cant work out if this thread is being serious or just tongue in cheek

Islandstone Posted on 12/1 13:46
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How big is the singing section going to be? :)

COME ON BORO!

Vinny_Garstroke Posted on 12/1 13:54
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They've sold six tickets so far, and are hopeful of selling double figures.

Vinny_Garstroke Posted on 12/1 13:54
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They've sold six tickets so far, and are hopeful of selling double figures.

Islandstone Posted on 12/1 22:08
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How can you be against something like the Twe12th Man, anyway??

They`re having the right attitude and tries to DO something for the team in their hearts.

Don`t you moaners take them down.

Personally I see no reasons to be AGAINST the Twe12th Man!!

UP THE TWE12TH MAN!! :)

Boro Passion
Boro Love
All Boro

Hench Posted on 12/1 22:44
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TWE12TH MAN FA CUP SINGING SECTION. This sad bunch live for boro and spend all their money on BORO. If the boro were in the 2nd div this sad bunch would still be pratting about just ignore these sad people and their stupid little s gibbo flag.

XboroX Posted on 12/1 22:49
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So you wouldnt be intrested if boro werent in the premier league?

guyr Posted on 12/1 23:08
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Is it not about passion, we are quick to criticise the players for seemingly playing (or not playing) at times, with any spirit or fight. This gets the crowd frustrated and anger gets directed at the team to puyt some effort in. Do you not think the players respond to the crowd urging them on but with a more positive vibe e.g. at the start of games, and more importatntly if the game isn't going as planned.
For as long as I have supported Boro, the home crowd generally has seemed to have had an attitude of "i've paid my money now get on with it" and the majority have responded to the teams performance rather than trying to boost it through singing/shouting encouragement etc.
For me Tuesday is our last chance this season to be able to win something, 6 good performances is all it takes. The FA Cup always will be a bit special so lets just go there and regardless of where your sat try and cheer the team on.

Best atmosphere ever at a game for me was the stau game, was on a high for so so long afterwards, clasic mix of the fans and the team inspiring each other.

thesmogster Posted on 15/1 11:26
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Whilst I can empathise with the logic of the atmosphere being positive as a result of the team playing well. What the Twe12th Man are trying to achieve is a positive support from the outset - Regardless of performance. Unconditional support. That’s why the majority of fans are there. To support - as supporters.

It’s one thing to expect the team to lift the crowd each time. However, the reality is that some games - for various reasons – are flat. This happens at the best and the worst of stadiums - from Old Trafford to the Moss Rose. What the Twe12th Man are about is raising the profile of the clubs fans. We’ve been big news all over Europe in 2006. The club are on a different plain – or should be. But thanks to circumstances we’ve not been able to build on that high profile status. The Stadium is often a third empty as the anti-McClaren lobby have failed to return and fans seem to have little patience for the transition the club clearly has to go through. Steve Gibson and Gareth Southgate deserve our backing.

I can recall on more than one occassion this season when away fans have chanted to Boro fans that ‘Your Support is ‘f**king S**t’. That should hurt. As it carries with it, more than an element of truth. The Steaua game was a truly great night. But the atmosphere was poor after half an hour at 2-0 down.

Maybe if we’d been up for it from the start, we may not have had to chase it quite so desperately?
If we can do something to lift the team and affect games. We should.

Embrace the Twe12th Man - you’re part of it too!

rararasputin3 Posted on 15/1 11:37
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Im afraid if the Boro fans cant be bothered to sing as a result of the football on the pitch, then a few song sheets and an idiot with a drum arent going to make any diference.
Indeed the last time a band was tried in the North stand, after 5 minutes of annoying people it was escorted out for its own safety.
Based on that your ideas will make the atmosphere worse by upsetting a lot of people.

Vinny_Garstroke Posted on 15/1 11:56
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That was a party political broadcast cast by the self-important party.

rob_fmttm Posted on 15/1 12:31
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Glad to admit you've finally come out and admitted it Vinny.

thesmogster Posted on 15/1 12:36
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rara:

That’s just the point.

The fans ARE reactionary to events on the pitch. Singing by enlarge when the team are playing well. We are all the Twe12th Man and we can - to some degree - affect the team’s performance. ‘A few song sheets and an idiot with a drum’ or not, we should all be committed to improving a problem the majority of fans are quick to recognise. I’m not sure the atmosphere can get any worse. Spontaniety certainly isn’t the answer or the Twe12th Man wouldn’t need to exist.

What do you suggest rara?

rararasputin3 Posted on 15/1 12:54
re: TWE12TH MAN FA CUP SINGING SECTION

Ship in 20000 new fans, because the Boro fans have never in my experience of attending the last 20 odd years of Boro matches, ever been great singers, except when something on the pitch fires them up.
You cant change something thats ingrained in the very soul of the fans.
You can try, but in my opinion you will fail, as you have done so far.

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