| jayno Posted on 15/3 15:58 | |
| why is tomato sauce | |
called ketchup?my little boy just asked me. | |
| McCann_87 Posted on 15/3 15:59 | |
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who the fuk calls it that apart from americans? Give him a slap and tell him to go play pogs outside | |
| jd1973 Posted on 15/3 16:00 | |
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The most popular theory is that the word ketchup was derived from "koe-chiap" or "ke-tsiap" in the Amoy dialect of China, where it meant the brine of pickled fish or shellfish.  Some people prefer the Malayan word "kechap" (spelled ketjap by the Dutch), which may have come from the Chinese in the first place. The Malay word means taste. And in some time in the late seventeenth century, the name and some samples might have arrived in England where it appeared in print as "catchup" in 1690 and then as "ketchup" in 1711. These names stuck with the British, who quickly appropriated them for their own pickled condiments of anchovies or oysters.The exact Chinese characters for kôechiap have been disputed: Theory 1: "ketchup" means "and#33540;and#27713;": "and#33540;" is the Chinese character for "eggplant" or a shortened form of "tomato" (and#34115;and#33540;, literally "foreign eggplant"). "Ketchup" means "and#33540;and#27713;" or "tomato juice (sauce)." Pronunciation in modern Taiwanese dialect (mainly Hokkien dialect): kio-chiap (kio as in "kyo" in Tokyo, chiap as in "chap" in chaplain but with the added "i"). The word derives from two words: kio taken from "Ang Mor Kio" (and#32005;and#27611;and#33540;, literally "red-fur eggplant," "red-fur" as in red-haired foreigners), meaning "tomatoes" in Hokkien dialect. Chiap simply means "juice," "sauce," or "gravy." Therefore kio-chiap means tomato(kio) sauce(chiap). The pronunciation in modern Cantonese is ke-jup - pronounced remarkably the same as the English ketchup but with emphasis on the "ke" and the Voiceless postalveolar affricate "ch" sound is altered to a "j" pronunciation. Similar to the Taiwanese, the word derives from the meaning of two words, Ke, taken from "Fan Ke" meaning tomatoes in Cantonese and jup meaning juice or sauce or gravy. Therefore, ke-jup means "tomato sauce." Theory 2: "Ketchup" derives from and#39853;and#27713; - and#39853; is the Chinese character for "salmon" (and#39853;and#39770;), or more generically, "fish." Therefore, "ketchup" means "and#39853;and#27713;" or "fish sauce". Pronunciation in modern Taiwanese dialect: and#39853; (kôe) + and#27713; (chiap) Pronunciation in modern Cantonese: and#39853; (gwai1) + and#27713; (jap1) | |
| fastcakes Posted on 15/3 16:02 | |
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Bet you wish you'd kept your trap shut now. | |
| jayno Posted on 15/3 16:10 | |
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thanks jd, i am going to get him to write that down,and take it to school.the reason he asked was something to do with comic relief. | |
| YodaTheCoder Posted on 15/3 16:15 | |
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"who the fuk calls it that apart from americans?" Heinz. But then what do they know about it? | |
| zoec Posted on 15/3 16:17 | |
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American's say "catsup" don't they? | |
| McCann_87 Posted on 15/3 16:18 | |
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Whats the United left back got to do with this Yoda, stick to the subject FFS 
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| YodaTheCoder Posted on 15/3 16:20 | |
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| Link: Heinz | |
| YodaTheCoder Posted on 15/3 16:20 | |
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| Link: Heinze | |
| YodaTheCoder Posted on 15/3 16:20 | |
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:) | |
| Link: McCann_87 | |
| McCann_87 Posted on 15/3 16:21 | |
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thanks for clearing that up, i now know the difference between them aswell as effect and affect | |
| McCann_87 Posted on 15/3 16:23 | |
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| Yoda
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| Link: Yoda | |
| Boromart Posted on 15/3 16:26 | |
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some yanks say catsup, but not that many. Anyway it tastes disguisting, and I have a phobia of it, I feel sick even typing about it on a thread. | |
| Ricard78 Posted on 15/3 20:57 | |
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Heinz call it ketchup because they are an american company. We call it sauce --- Post edited by Ricard78 on 15/3 20:58 --- | |
