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Boro_Owl Posted on 14/4 20:26
Dr Who - the series so far.

Bloody brilliant. Managed to pull off witches, todays was brilliant, and next week the wheelie bins are back. Marvellous.

cardiff290204 Posted on 14/4 20:47
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

i'm sure tonight's episode was very profound with the gridlock et al, but i'll be buggered if i could work out what it all meant.

agreed about this series though - it's been brilliant so far.

smoggyramone Posted on 14/4 20:47
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

and Freema Agyeman!

Revol_Tees Posted on 14/4 21:02
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

Another fantastic effort tonight, and you know who the Face of Bo is talking about, don't ya? The Doctor wasn't the only Time Lord to survive the Time War. Yes, there is another ... and his name is surely ...

... The Master

And Martha Jones is already much more likeable than Rose, who was a hard act to follow, and I'm glad to report that it's only partly because Freema Agyeman is totally and utterly goddam beautiful.

smoggyramone Posted on 14/4 21:11
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

If it is 'you know who', it must be one of BBC's most closely guarded secrets. But who would play him?
Roger Delgado was a very hard act to follow. No-one could utter the phrase "You Fools!" quite like him.

Revol_Tees Posted on 14/4 21:15
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smoggramone. I'm just guessing it's The Master. Fischer mentioned a few months ago that it was likely we'd see his return this series.

Not only can nobody match Delgado's utterance of the phrase "You fools," neither can anybody match Pertwee's classic utterance of the phrase he used every time he discovered The Master was behind everything:

"Mmm, mmmyes. Yes, I might have guessed it would be you."

cardiff290204 Posted on 14/4 21:18
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

It is indeed The Master.

There is supposedly a character in this series called Mister Saxon (an anagram of Master No Six)

Just call me geek.

smoggyramone Posted on 14/4 21:21
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

Jon Pertwee is my favourite Doctor.

Revol_Tees Posted on 14/4 21:27
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

Cheers Cardiff. I was half-hoping it might be Romana, but The Master is fine be me.

Link: Romanadvoratrelundar

Boro_Owl Posted on 14/4 21:36
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

"Freema Agyeman is totally and utterly goddam beautiful." - she doesnt half grow on you does she

The episode kind of made sense - basically theres been gridlock for years because the face of bo stopped the lower city from being infected with the virus that destroyed the above city by closing off all the exits. Dr comes in, opens up the gates, everyone is able to enjoy the surface world. the crabs had nothing to do with anything

boksic Posted on 14/4 21:39
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

Could the Master be that old bloke who slipped through time in that episode of Torchwood about the wartime dance hall?

smoggyramone Posted on 14/4 21:43
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

Apparently it's going to be John Simm

Revol_Tees Posted on 14/4 21:45
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

John Simm. Oh my god. I think I'm going to die of excitement.

The. Perfect. Choice.

Has it been confirmed or is it just rumours? Hats off to the producers if they managed to get him signed up. A real coup for an actor of that calibre.

cardiff290204 Posted on 14/4 21:48
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

The big series finale will apparantly be The Doctor vs The Master.

With a little bit of help from the Daleks no doubt.

smoggyramone Posted on 14/4 21:51
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

Yes, but can he wear chelsea boots and say "You fools!" as the fiendishly suave original???

cardiff290204 Posted on 14/4 21:53
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No idea. I wish I was old enough to remember Roger Delgado as The (original) Master.

Revol_Tees Posted on 14/4 21:54
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

No one will ever better Delgado IMO, but I've always said that if they bring the character back it should be a big name, just to give him the clout he deserves.

In terms of being a credible actor Simm is as big as anyone in British TV, especially on the back of Life On Mars. It'll be interesting to see how it pans out.

cardiff290204 Posted on 14/4 22:06
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

Apparantly Derek Jacobi appears as a character called "The Professor" who "dies" and then "regenerates", appearing in the final double episode as "The Master" - i.e. John Simm.

Nothing confirmed though, all speculation.

Revol_Tees Posted on 14/4 22:07
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cardiff, you can check out Delgado's Master in action below. The black and white clip towards the end is particularly brilliant. He somehow has Pertwee talking gibberish.

"Of all the low, underhanded tricks! He's picking up my words before I've even spoken them, and feeding them back to me through the Tardis's telepathic circuits - making them come out backwards!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1E-u1VeBnzg


smoggyramone Posted on 14/4 22:13
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Katy Manning (Jo Grant) was a babe. Seen the phots of her bollocky buff with a Dalek???

crab_people Posted on 14/4 22:36
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what a load of bloody rubbish!

so a humamoid cat would evolve with an irish accent would it!

how can they spend 20 years in a vehicle? food? hygiene?

why did he get all uppity about them selling drugs on the street? have the government suddenly been brought on board as script editors?

the episode last week was even weeker, and just a re-hash of the one they did previously but with charles dickens instead of william shakespeare

oh, and next week's episode brings the daleks back, again! can't they think of any new bad guys?

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red_rebel2 Posted on 14/4 22:40
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Tonight was rubbish. But don't let that stop you all creaming your pants.

sunset_over_ici Posted on 14/4 22:59
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

John Simm is one hundred percent confirmed.

Boro_Owl Posted on 14/4 23:30
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

Cat with an Irish accent - who cares? Its Ardal O'Hanlon!

20 years in a car - that was explained - all waste products were recycled back into food. Its the future.

He got all uppity about drugs on the street because he was being accosted. als it turns out the mood drugs killed off a load of people.

The daleks are excellent villains, and they've had a few new villains - but they keep the best ones because everyone loves them.

How was it a re-hash? Apart from having a similar obstactle (preventing the end of the world), the villains were much better, it was much funnier ("to be or not to be" "you should write that down" "maybe not. bit pretentious?" = ) and was genuinely better.

Chomp done

crab_people Posted on 15/4 8:28
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i can see that you like it for the fact that it is Dr Who and haven't really engaged your brain



are you 12 years old or something?

smoggyramone Posted on 15/4 8:29
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If you don't like it don't watch it.

crab_people Posted on 15/4 8:55
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i don't like it but i like to watch it so i can see how awful it is, i pay my tv license, well i used to, so i have the right to do that, its just like booing players when you've paid for a ticket

seriously, you'd think a child had come up with the underlying concepts behind the scripts, sure there are some funny one-liners but the storylines on a whole are gash

denuncia Posted on 15/4 9:28
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Real twaddle tonight. Should be on earlier for the kids.

Boro_Owl Posted on 15/4 9:59
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

Crab_people you're just gutted that your people were victimised in last nights episode

And no, it doesnt engage your brain, its nice fun kids tv to watch with your family while eating tea - if it engaged your brain it wouldnt be funny. If i wanted something to engage my brain i'd watch it - but dr who is just a laugh

Some_Strange_Gadgie Posted on 15/4 10:11
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Have a look at John Simm's TV Credits on Wikipedia

Link: John Simm

smoggyramone Posted on 15/4 10:28
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

If it was that gash 8 million people wouldn't watch it.

crab_people Posted on 15/4 11:02
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

If it was that gash 8 million people wouldn't watch it.
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ha ha! spurios logic!

does that mean that rubbish like coronation street and eastenders are even better than doctor who because more idiots watch it?

and the song at number 1 is the best in the charts because more people bought it?

MsCurly Posted on 15/4 11:04
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I haven't seen any of this series, I've been working every Saturday.

I'll have to wait until they come out on dvd. Booooo!!

smoggyramone Posted on 15/4 11:12
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

So in your opinion we're all idiots or about 12 years old just because you don't like it?

swordtrombonefish Posted on 15/4 11:13
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Tis also repeated on BBC3 on Sundays and I think Friday.

MsCurly Posted on 15/4 11:21
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Maybe I should get me a digibox?

Actually, I don't even have a proper telly at the moment. My brother's enormous gogglebox broke, so I let him have mine until he gets his fixed, on account of the fact that I rarely even switch mine on.

Me and my boy cabin up in his room and watch the series 1 and 2 on dvd though......will be good to get stuck into the new one.

boroboyinbath Posted on 15/4 11:34
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

I heard John Simm say hes was playing a Mr Saxon in 2 episodes.

I've also noticed referances to Saxon in 2 episodes, posters "vote Saxon" and referances such as "Saxon was right"

Same way as they did int he 1st series with Bad Wolf and the second with Torchwood.

Boro_Owl Posted on 15/4 11:44
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

How do you notice stuff like that?

corruptbiggins Posted on 15/4 11:53
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Yeah I noticed that 'Vote Saxon' poster.

Boro_Owl Posted on 15/4 12:09
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

Which episode? (I think i've got a few of them on the freeview box)

corruptbiggins Posted on 15/4 12:13
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see below...

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corruptbiggins Posted on 15/4 12:14
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

The 1st episode of this series (not the christmas one). Near the start I think.

smoggyramone Posted on 15/4 12:17
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At the end of the first episode when he's talking to Martha outside of the Tardis, there's a poster with 'VOTE SAXON' on the wall behind her.

corruptbiggins Posted on 15/4 12:18
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or the end (of the episode)....

Boro_Owl Posted on 15/4 12:36
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I think I might have noticed that actually! Gerrin Don't have that one though.

Boro_Owl Posted on 17/4 9:04
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This weeks involves the last 4 Daleks and genetic experimentation - half dalek, half human!

guyb Posted on 17/4 9:13
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The catchphrase in this series (Bad Wolf in one and Torchwood in two) is "You/We are not alone".

aluding to the doctor as the last of the time lords.

I love all things Who but sometimes Russell T does lay it on a bit thick.

StevieT Posted on 17/4 9:16
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Along with 'House' it's the best thing on the box by far.

Boro_Owl Posted on 21/4 19:25
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That was good I liked the Pigmen. And Sec Hybrid at the end it dead freaky! Bring on next week and the upcoming scrap in the Hooverville

cardiff290204 Posted on 21/4 19:41
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Superb as always.

I'm so peeed off with footy at the mo I watched Doctor Who instead of watching the match.

Some Boro fan I am.........

Revol_Tees Posted on 21/4 20:34
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Sorry to spoil the party but I think tonight's episode was pretty awful. Bad script, bad acting, bad American accents ... and the jury is out on whether the whole plot was even good idea. Probably not. Definitely the weakest of the new series, and possibly the whole series IMO.

Boro_Owl Posted on 28/4 19:39
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Ending was a bit bloody good though. Hardly weakest though - script was good.

What did you all think of tonights then?

smoggyramone Posted on 28/4 19:44
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Not bad. And Freema Agyeman was divine...again.
Now let the Daleks alone for at least 2 years. They should be used as viewer bait.
Oh for a 3/5 Doctors episode. But apparently Russell T Davies has said he doesn't want him to meet himself.

Revol_Tees Posted on 28/4 19:57
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I thought it was even worse than last week. Surely the work of a young first-time script writer?

Boro_Owl Posted on 28/4 20:00
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Think these were her first 2 Dr Who episodes.

BoroGrecian Posted on 28/4 20:48
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should be good next week with Mark Gatiss in the episode...like putting a kid in a candy store allowing him to be in a episode of Doctor Who

Boro_Owl Posted on 6/5 1:36
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I wasnt too fussed about tonights.

smoggyramone Posted on 6/5 12:16
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

I cant shake this Freema Agyeman fixation.
Watched DW Confidential straight after, and they were playing a metal song as background music. The first line was "the master's on the loose again"..........They're teasing us.

Boro_Owl Posted on 6/5 15:53
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It looks like the eps with the master are going to be nothing short of excellent. And Agyemann gets better and better.

Boro_Owl Posted on 19/5 20:26
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Hoof. And what are your thoughts about tonights?


As usual - loved it.

bigtl_billingham Posted on 19/5 20:49
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thought tonites was awesome -
- especially as it was in real time
Normally cant stand michelle collins, but she played the part well

Martha just keeps on getting sexier and sexier - and Rose takes some beating

Loved every episode so far !

Boro_Owl Posted on 19/5 20:54
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Rose was ok... but Martha is 10x better.

How they can pass the other woman off as her mother I have no idea, she looks like a hybrid of E.T and Mr T.

Revol_Tees Posted on 19/5 23:07
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I thought tonight's was excellent: quite tense and edgy. Very good idea, having a race against time as the spaceship hurtles towards the sun. A bit of a homage to the American series "24" as they tried to do it all in 42 minutes. And understandably Martha was looking quite sweaty in that vest, my gawd.

Boro_Owl Posted on 20/5 12:51
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Ooooh yeaaah... I noticed that

DelU Posted on 20/5 15:43
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It just seems to get screamier and screamier for some apparent reason? I guess the focus-groups give good scores for terror. Tennant's neurotic hamming-it-up gets a tedious, but as has been mentioned, replacing that tubby puffy-lipped bimbo with Martha is a masterstroke. Almost back to the halceon days of that 70s brunette Amazonian assistant in the chamois micro-mini!! Dad's do matter again.

BoroGrecian Posted on 20/5 16:18
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Not just a homage to '24' but also one to Douglas Adams!

Boro_Owl Posted on 20/5 16:26
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It is getting angrier. Tennat writhing in pain and being taken over was done very very well, you cant tell me that wasnt superbly done.

PeterPetrelli Posted on 20/5 17:35
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

Was this metal song in 42? Because I heard it but no lyrics.

DelU Posted on 20/5 18:48
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Boro_Owl Posted on 20/5 16:26

... was done very very well, you cant tell me that wasnt superbly done.

Its good stuff, but just too over the top for kids telly (for me). Dr. Who famously never killed and never suffered anonisingly, I just reckon their rush to sensationalise and compete with Buffy is over the top. Either way, we'll be watching as always.

Scrote Posted on 20/5 19:27
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dr who didn't kill in the old days but that was before the time wars

i think hes allowed to do pretty much what he wants now 'cos theres no-one to tell him off

bit like that lad in 28 days later when he goes into parliament and cracks one off over the woolsack (might have only been in the special edition that bit)

arcangel111 Posted on 20/5 19:34
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Has the episode with the guy from life on mars been on yet? i didnt see last saturdays ep and now next week there are scarecrow dudes???

have to say michelle collins looked pretty good too :)

bigtl_billingham Posted on 20/5 19:43
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

repeated sunday bbc3 8pm

Boro_Owl Posted on 2/6 20:22
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

Tennant has 2 faces - Scowling, and a variation of scowling. Other than that, was very good stuff. The Baines character stood out as one of the best villains of the series so far.

Ending was excellent too, all the punishments... although wasnt as freaky as last weeks, I was expecting something that would try to be a lot scarier.

Best 2 parter since it has come back, in my opinion, combining into one of the much better episodes.

Archie_Stephens Posted on 2/6 20:37
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OK boro_owl - as requested I'll help you in your quest for a ton-up!

Agreed about the ending with all the punsihments - superb bringing out his dark side slightly.

I particularly liked the very end with the young lad now as a war veteran on remebrance day when he looks across the street and sees the doctor and Martha - very poignant stuff!

Boro_Owl Posted on 2/6 20:48
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

I liked that too. The vengeance of the Time Lord was also very good, when he punishes everyone. Good to see he is gradually growing a pair.

I'm trying to figure out what happens in next weeks. Got a gut feeling it will end up being about Medusa or a Gorgon, playing on the Perseus myth. And since they are trying to make the Doctor weaker through the series, I reckon he'll already be stone or something.

Boro_Owl Posted on 2/6 20:49
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

Also, cheers for the help with the ton up

Scrote Posted on 9/6 19:58
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

fantastic episode that

probably my favourite of the series so far - and it hardly featured the doctor

cute chick always helps n'all...

teflondon Posted on 9/6 20:04
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tonights was class
liked how it all made sense by the end
gonna miss it when its not on any more

Revol_Tees Posted on 9/6 20:36
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Yeah, I thought it was very, very good tonight. It borrowed heavily from the Back To The Future trilogy, like. But still very good.

Scrote Posted on 9/6 20:39
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there was someone on here moaning about the production values compared to US shows the other day - tonights episode proved that with a bit of imaginative storytelling you can produce riveting entertainment

and hardly a special effect in sight

BoroGrecian Posted on 9/6 21:28
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tell you what tonights nearly scared the cack out of me. the whole statue thing was always one of my nightmares as a kid.

Boro_Owl Posted on 9/6 22:03
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

There was one special effect that has been around since the 60s

I thought tonights was good. Nice and freaky.

The part about the statues at the end will have every kid under the age of 12, and me, cacking their pants for the foreseeable future.

XXLshirts_fit_all Posted on 9/6 22:15
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

absolutely best episode yet, although i thought the 2 parter last week was good.
on special effects, i think the best ones are all in your mind, ie we never saw those statues move but we knew they were. very good ending where she tells him about his future, sort of puts his time travelling into perspective along with those that grew old after going back in time. again like last weeks old soldier at the end, made my skin go goosebumps
my 10 yr old loved tonight although most was watched from behind his cushion, i expect he will be up tonight

zinedine Posted on 9/6 22:37
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"I cant shake this Freema Agyeman fixation"

You'll have to shake it soon; she has been sacked.
The producers felt her contributions to the show were weak in later episodes and so they have given her the boot.

Boro_Owl Posted on 16/6 20:02
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

Er... WOW.

Best one yet. Bring on next weeks!

Cyrus2006 Posted on 16/6 20:04
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A whole episode on The Master..Whoop..Looking forward to it :)

teflondon Posted on 16/6 20:04
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quality again
just posted the same on my post
the masters back in it finally

Boro_Owl Posted on 16/6 20:05
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

Its a double episode now isnt it? John Simm looks good as the Master.

bigtl_billingham Posted on 16/6 20:06
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

Once more Fantastic

I was looking for the hidden messages thru-out but didnt click with YANA on the screen.

The link with the fobwatch and an a previous episode was well written
John simm should be class as the master over the next two episodes

teflondon Posted on 16/6 20:06
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

yhea its a double episode
think theres 2 more episodes left
might be 3

Cyrus2006 Posted on 16/6 20:06
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

Said 'To be continued' so yes, How will the Doctor get back..Interesting

Boro_Owl Posted on 16/6 20:06
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

There havnt been that many hidden messages, I havnt picked up anyway. Which ones have you seen so far?

Boro_Owl Posted on 16/6 20:09
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

Cyrus2006 - Jack still has that watch.

Cyrus2006 Posted on 16/6 20:10
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

Ah, Thought The Master took it with him..

teflondon Posted on 16/6 20:11
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

hell probally use his hand or jacks time bouncer thing

Cyrus2006 Posted on 16/6 20:12
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

The Master took the hand with him on the tardis

bigtl_billingham Posted on 16/6 20:12
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

There was a few hidden msgs on the first couple of episodes - 'vote Saxon'

Just put 'vote saxon' into Google if you want to find out other info

teflondon Posted on 16/6 20:14
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

oh right
ill check it again when i download it tonight

Boro_Owl Posted on 16/6 22:16
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

The Master does have the hand but not the watch.

bigtl - Apart from the "Vote Saxon" posters there wasnt a running theme, a la season 1 and "Bad Wolf". And the posters didnt help much anyway.

cardiff290204 Posted on 16/6 22:24
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Bit rude to have this on 99 so ton up.

Bloomin brilliant wasnt it, Derek Jacobi was rather fab as well.

Soo looking forward to next week. My DVD recorder missed the trailer off the end tho :-(

grocerygirl Posted on 16/6 22:26
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

i have loved every second of this series. its been fab and each eppy has flown. it has been the best series so far for me.

Boro_Owl Posted on 16/6 22:35
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

Same for me grocerygirl .

cardiff, the next episode looks like it has no Doctor. Could be interesting.

grocerygirl Posted on 16/6 22:40
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

there was an earlier episode with no dr. i dont know what it was called though. urm.... cant think of it

anyway i didnt really like it that much so i hope this one is better and we do have john simm which might make up for it a bit if the drs not in it.

Boro_Owl Posted on 16/6 23:26
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

That was "Blink" g_g And I liked that! Scared me poo-less.

jordan_boro_2k6 Posted on 16/6 23:33
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

Was that the one with peter kay?

Boro_Owl Posted on 16/6 23:36
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

The one with Peter Kay was in the 2nd season, that wasnt great. Blink was last weeks.

jordan_boro_2k6 Posted on 16/6 23:37
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

Well to bad it isnt gonna be on anymore

Boro_Owl Posted on 16/6 23:41
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

BBC hasnt said its stopping. Some of the key peopleare quitting, but it won't be stopping as long as its getting good ratings. They'll just get new people in.

grocerygirl Posted on 16/6 23:54
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

sorry boro owl i didnt mean from this series i mean one from a previous series where the dr wasnt shown at all. blink was bloody fantastic.

bigtl_billingham Posted on 17/6 0:12
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

I think I've enjoyed every episode of this series.
It just keeps getting better and better.

As people have stated, they can't pull it, the viewing figures are massive.

I thought Ecclestone was good, but Tennant is even better.
Some great actors in this series
Sorry I'm crap with names, but.....The bloke who used to be on shameless, the bloke in 'the league of gentlemen, (who does some of the writing for Dr.who also)
Also 2nites - Derek Jacobi And John Simm - Two massive fans of Dr.who.

Would love to see the 'sea devils' make a re-appearance (yes I am from the Tom Baker era :-) )
Never kill off the daleks and the cybermen ..they are legends of Dr.who.

bigtl_billingham Posted on 17/6 0:51
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

FAO BORO-OWL

No running theme eh ?
Take a look at this from the official site
Click on watch video


:-)

Link: Saxon

JonMc Posted on 17/6 0:52
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

A Sea Devils episode would be very disturbing if done properly.

I thought parts of this series has been a bit weak but the last two weeks have been great. I'm still in lust with Ms. Sparrow from last episode. I liked Ecclestone better though, I liked his ranting.

Good to see Jacobi again. For some reason I still espect him to have a bad stammer.

Juventus3 Posted on 23/6 16:27
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

I'm far too excited for this.

smoggyramone Posted on 23/6 17:05
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

'"I cant shake this Freema Agyeman fixation"

You'll have to shake it soon; she has been sacked.
The producers felt her contributions to the show were weak in later episodes and so they have given her the boot.'

She hasn't been sacked.


'Said 'To be continued' so yes, How will the Doctor get back. Interesting'

I reckon it's going to be either Jacks watch, or, just before the TARDIS dematerialised at the end of the last episode, he was pointing the sonic screwdriver at it. Has he sent some sort of signal to the TARDIS to get it to return to where they are when the Master leaves it? The Master knew he was trying to do something, because he said 'Oh no you don't' just before he got away. That's my theory anyway.

Juventus3 Posted on 23/6 20:04
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

"Wow."

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teflondon Posted on 23/6 20:05
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

i liked that
want to see the next episode now

bigtl_billingham Posted on 23/6 20:06
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

Excellent once again

Loved the reference to Tom Baker's Dr,- "jelly babies"
the bait from the Master/Saxon - "what this country needs right now is a Doctor"

CesurYurek Posted on 23/6 20:20
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

from the clip at the end they had a unshaven mystery man running around who wasnt barrowman or tennant. Therefore I doubt the Doctor will last long in the next episode.

smoggyramone Posted on 23/6 21:49
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

There is a bit in the Pertwee era episode, The Sea-Devils, where the Master is watching the Clangers on TV. They gave it a nod tonight where the Master is watching the Teletubbies. Don't miss a trick do they?

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Revol_Tees Posted on 23/6 22:36
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

Well spotted smoggyramone!

Line of the week from The Master: "Doctor, if I told you the truth, it would break your hearts..."

gazanolan Posted on 23/6 23:06
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

Did anyone else notice all the cars being driven around were P reg wonder if that was coincidence or if its another clue

smoggyramone Posted on 23/6 23:13
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

P reg...hmmmm trying to think of a connection....

guyb Posted on 24/6 10:42
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

I thought it was a good episode but I'm not entirely happy that Russell T Davies has decided to turn The Master into Graham Norton.

BoroGrecian Posted on 24/6 19:00
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

I loved the fact that Ann Widecombe turned up in last night episode. While I may never like her politics I like her alot because she'll say what she thinks.

Her showing up in Doctor Who only hightens my respect for her!

grocerygirl Posted on 24/6 20:24
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

as a newbie dr who fan (the last 3 seasons) i was just wondering if the master had been in any previous episodes from the original series' (serieses or series's or seriess or none of them haha)

trodbitch Posted on 24/6 20:25
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

I'm no expert but I think he has been in a previous *series*

smoggyramone Posted on 24/6 20:46
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

He certainly has. He's appeared on and off since 1971.
For me, no-one can better the original Master, Roger Delgado.

I prefer a suave, charming Master to a cackling nutcase.

Link: link

grocerygirl Posted on 24/6 20:50
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

cheers

Boro_Owl Posted on 24/6 22:43
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

I liked it this week. The part when they showed Gallifrey was like a nerd-gasm for me

elnino1 Posted on 24/6 22:45
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

Can't believe how bad this show us, absolute tosh. Shoite acting of the highest order.

But that's just my opinion.

4_3on_aggreg8 Posted on 24/6 22:56
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

"nerd-gasm"

smoggyramone Posted on 28/6 18:04
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

"One day, I shall come back. Yes, I shall come back. Until then, there must be no regrets, no tears, no anxiety. Just go forward in all your beliefs, and prove to me that I am not mistaken in mine."

ElvisRamone Posted on 28/6 18:16
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

"Teeth...good! Now where was I? Ah yes...Middlesbrough!"

guyb Posted on 28/6 19:15
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

funny you should mention that - the Doctor has been to middlesbrough...

In the comic strip - 93 Holiday Special - Evening's Empire
by Andrew Cartmel, illustrated by our own Richard Piers Rayner.

"The Doctor takes Ace to Middlesbrough, where she checks property records from the 1940s while Colonel Frost of UNIT dredges the river Tees for a German fighter which was apparently shot down during WWII. The Doctor builds a machine which enables her to communicate with the dead pilot's mind, and she confirms that, as the Doctor had suspected, the crash was caused by a collision with an alien spacecraft. Now they must find out what happened to it. Ace still hasn't returned, and when the Doctor visits the property records hall he becomes suspicious of the young clerk Alex Evening. He follows Evening to his home, a shed just outside his mother's house, where he finds that Evening has been using the crashed ship -- a tiny ship the size of an aircraft model -- to kidnap women and place them in his own fantasy world. The Q'Dhite explore the Universe, seeking out new intelligences and weaving realities from their fantasies, but Alex has twisted their powers to kidnap beautiful women from and send them to an imaginary empire where they are forced to humiliate themselves for his amusement. The Doctor uses the TARDIS to take Frost and her troops into Evening's empire, but the UNIT forces are slaughtered by Evening's secret weapon, a flying Bible created from his deep-rooted fear of his mother's obsessive faith. The Doctor finally realises how to stop him, and uses the TARDIS to transport Alex's mother into his fantasy world. Her presence destroys the illusion, both figuratively and literally. The Doctor takes the survivors back to the real world, where they find that the destruction of Alex's empire has driven him into a coma from which he will never recover. "

Boro_Owl Posted on 30/6 17:28
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

Here come the drums...

Anybody looking forward to it? And has the series been good or bad for you all?

Juventus3 Posted on 30/6 18:19
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

It all rests on tonight's episode. Could be a 10/10 series for me if tonight's is as good as I hope. Don't know how it could top last year's finale, but I live in hope.

Cecil_J_McTumshie Posted on 30/6 18:29
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

been a superb season ,with the crying angels and the one where Dr was Mr Smith being the best.
However I was a bit disappointed with last weeks programme-dont think that John Simm was a good choice as The Master-hopefully all the (loads of) loose ends will be tied up tonight and the seemingly meaningless bits will be made relevant

Boro_Owl Posted on 30/6 18:31
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

I really like him as the Master to be honest.

The only episodes I have decided I don't like was the double episode with the daleks, otherwise its been fantastic.

Juventus3 Posted on 30/6 18:33
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

He should be more subtle and less camp. I think I actually would have preferred Derek Jacobi to be honest.

Boro_Owl Posted on 30/6 19:59
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

It didnt dissapoint for a second. Shame they got rid of Freema but at least she left with dignity.

Excellent final ep for an excellent series!

teflondon Posted on 30/6 20:01
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

great agin
liked it great end of series
missed about 1 min when jack was aying something about being vain
and the doctor and martha saying he couldnt be
what did i miss
ill download it tonight just wondered as its doing my head in

Scrote Posted on 30/6 20:04
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

jack was telling them his old nickname

he was "the face of Boe"

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teflondon Posted on 30/6 20:06
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

nice one scrote
makes sense now and i can chill hahahaha

Boro_Owl Posted on 30/6 20:07
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

Yes Scrote I think we all realised that !

That is fantastic though, I wouldnt have figured that in years! Gridlock is getting another viewing. Very good of them to put that in there, got me very happy

DarkStarr Posted on 30/6 20:09
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

Captain Jack as the face of Bo was a shocker.

And the master is not dead.

grocerygirl Posted on 30/6 20:10
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

omg how good was that?

and jack the face of boe, who thought it?

these are all rhetorical questions btw.

cant wait for crimbo

are there any spoilers anywhere yet about who gets the sidekick role? has there been anything in the press about it?

gg

Boro_Owl Posted on 30/6 20:11
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

No he is not!

The last Dalek and one of the last 2 Timelords teaming up next series maybe?

Juventus3 Posted on 30/6 20:11
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

Loved the Face of Boe reference and thought the two big question marks/open doors they've left are brilliant, though I'm not sure I appreciated the Doctor turning into a mini timelord Gollum.

grocerygirl Posted on 30/6 20:12
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

i thought mini timelord gollum was cute haha

Revol_Tees Posted on 30/6 20:14
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

The "Face of Bo" touch was superb!

Other than, though, I was disappointed by tonight's finale. Not for the first time, they tried to get too much into 45 minutes and as a result it all seemed very contrived. Far too many easy answers and unlikely scenarios to get it all conveniently wrapped up.

I thought John Simm was excellent - better than last week - because he got the perfect balance between crazy in one moment and subtle the next. But the Master/Lucy thing borrowed a little too much from the Spike/Drucilla relationship in Buffy, whilst the symbolic burning of The Master was an all too obvious copy of Darth Vader's fate in 'Return of the Jedi', replete with violins to pull on the heart strings. There are only so many homages you can pay in both a series and a single episode without looking derivative and naff.

And finally, I was outraged by both The Master's demise and the Doctor's OTT response. Pertwee, Baker, Davison and co. would have expressed mild regret at his passing, so why was Tennant crying like a baby and blubbing about Daleks and Axons over the same man who'd just tried to torture and kill him, and wiped out half the human race? Although I gather that final brief shot of Lucy (?) picking up that green ring from the burial mound is supposed to leave it open?

Either way, I think they could have come up with something a lot better.


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Scrote Posted on 30/6 20:15
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

erm - i was answering teflondon's question...

and if captain jack is immortal how come the face of boe dies?

Boro_Owl Posted on 30/6 20:19
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

Was it Lucy though?

The burning was very "return of the jedi", every man in the room simultaneously said "star wars" in a slightly disgruntled voice when it showed the burning.

And face of boe lived for a bloody long time didnt he? Jack did say he was aging, maybe he just gave up?

ERIMUS63 Posted on 30/6 20:29
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

anyone know the name of that song the master was dancing around to?
summit about live or die

Juventus3 Posted on 30/6 20:30
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

The Face of Boe converted his immortal energy in Gridlock to save the whole of New York City and open up a new sky. So from Captain Jack to the Face of Boe's death is all fine by me, but the legend of the Face of Boe was that he had been around since the creation of the Universe (I think, in one of the books) so I'm not sure how neatly it ties in. Still really liked it though.



It was the Scissor Sisters, I Can't Decide.


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Juventus3 Posted on 30/6 20:33
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

Oh, and I didn't appreciate Lucy killing him either, I was hoping it wouldn't be that obvious, I'd mentioned that two weeks ago to my girlfriend - whatever happens, Lucy will end up killing him, I said, but did she listen? Pah.

(Harold Saxon's bestselling book was called Kiss Me, Kill Me)

ERIMUS63 Posted on 30/6 20:34
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

cheers Juventus3

Revol_Tees Posted on 30/6 20:38
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

Totally gutted as well about Martha Jones. I've just read this from Outpost Gallfrey (which I never usually go on, honest):

'Confirming the essence of a story first reported several weeks ago in the Sun, Freema Agyeman left Doctor Who as a series regular at the end of this episode, choosing to remain behind with her family in present-day England. Agyeman's most recent denial in "Radio Times" stated that she was not sacked from the series, contrary to the Sun report; however, as Outpost Gallifrey and other sites have reported, the news did not deny that Agyeman was leaving as a series regular (nor that she was not remaining by her own choice). The end of "Last of the Time Lords" suggests that we will see Martha again, as she gives her mobile phone to the Doctor (David Tennant), likely as a guest star next series; press reports from the Mirror this past week indicate that the fourth series of Doctor Who will see a new companion next year, with Martha making an occasional appearance.'


Boro_Owl Posted on 30/6 20:42
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

That was in the second series Juventus, I think.

Jack is all Tardis energy though, which has been around since the beginning of the universe. Maybe thats it?

Fischer Posted on 30/6 20:46
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

"are there any spoilers anywhere yet about who gets the sidekick role?"

Kylie.

ERIMUS63 Posted on 30/6 20:48
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

could rose return?

bigtl_billingham Posted on 30/6 20:50
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

Excellent again tonite
I loved the whole series
Disappointed that Martha aint gunna be a regular.

Glad the master got nastier rather than more camp, cos it brought out the best in John simms acting, - hes a great actor as we saw in life on mars.

I too don't think that it will be the last of the master, the picking of his ring by the ref fingernails (we dont defo know that it was his wife lucy) seemed to have some significance.

Got a funny feeling that the next time we see the master, probs ot for a good while yet, could well be in the format of a woman !!

Little old doctor in the cage was like a gollum/yoda hydrid -A 'golda'

Juventus3 Posted on 30/6 20:50
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

I don't think it was the second series, his only appearance in that was in the first episode New Earth where all he really said was he had a secret to tell the Doctor but he'd leave it until the last time they would meet, which turned out to be Gridlock. I read it somewhere, but I can't remember if it was in a book or in an interview with someone.

bigtl_billingham Posted on 30/6 20:51
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

Erimus83
Rose COULD return, she isnt dead, she is on the parallel universe, which would mean opening up the rift again to bring her back thru.
Much prefer martha to rose tho

Juventus3 Posted on 30/6 20:53
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

I would expect Martha to be in it more than we'd think, she's probably just out of play for a bit to excuse a guest star companion for the Christmas special.

uncle_harry Posted on 30/6 21:10
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

The Burning people on a pyre thing has been an strong and ancient traditiom in many of our cultures - it didnt begin with Star Wars.

As for Tennant emoting all over the place, which perturbs some of traditionalists who struggle with the whole emotion concept- well I know that Pertwee wouldnt have - it isnt by co hoice - they do what's written in the sreenplay and as the director directs them to do,

I know part of the fun is to look at this stuff with a jewellers loop however I'd just like to say that the last 6 episodes of that series were damn fine stories told brilliantly about one of the few original Telly creations that can stand alongside Sherlock Holmes in stature - It was a fine effort by all concerned

Revol_Tees Posted on 30/6 21:26
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

"it isnt by co hoice - they do what's written in the sreenplay and as the director directs them to do"

You're shitting me. That can't be right? I thought it was all for real.

I agree with you though uncle_harry, it's been an outstanding effort over all. I don't think it did itself justice this week, but the series has been superb. For me there have been perhaps two or three episodes that weren't as strong as the rest. The other eight or nine have been consistently excellent.

uncle_harry Posted on 30/6 21:32
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

I've seen plenty of critics of the new stuff who squeal when ever the plots come within a country mile of any character experiencing an emotion, its a very limiting position to take in my opinion. Im all for a bit of action and corridor running down but introducing a few feelings into the stories have really brough them to life IMHO

Revol_Tees Posted on 30/6 21:45
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

I know what you mean harry, and I don't object to the emotion as such; just the way it seemed out of place from a narrative point of view. If Rose or Martha had died, yes, but blubbing your eyes out over the death of an evil murdering tyrant who'd just murdered about half of the world's population? It seemed a bit daft, as if the producers were going out on a limb to prove how touchy feely the new Doctor is, bashing us over the head with how distraught he is over every death. I've noticed in past episodes that the 9th and 10th Doctors have a tendency to equate the swatting of a fly with genocide judging by the constant agonising. The old doctors were a hell of lot more understated about it.

4_3on_aggreg8 Posted on 30/6 21:48
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

Martha to turn up in Torchwood anyone?

Liked this series a lot, think Martha Jones has a great deal more to offer as a character and will return. Interested to see what the Christmas special brings.

I hope they can keep the present standard up, hope they don't run out of steam.

ERIMUS63 Posted on 30/6 21:51
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

wonder if the dr will bump into kate winslett on the titanic

grocerygirl Posted on 30/6 22:15
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

does anyone know when torchwood is back on?

i really need to get on tv tome haha

bigtl_billingham Posted on 30/6 22:52
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

i was thinking about the possibility of martha in Torchwood also

DelU Posted on 30/6 23:01
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

So, is Russel T Davies (writer and head ed) an effin happy-clappy Xtian? I assumed the regular 'gay' references in recent series betrayed a more liberal and enlightened hand at the tiller - sure its dodgy science, but all is forgiven in the name of good kids telly. But the religious bile vomitting out of tonghts finale went too far; walking the earth spreading the massiah message, betrayal by a judas from within, mass praying evoking a saviour complete with ethereal glow and open-palmed stance, "I forgive you", etc. A good series, but why reject the 4 decades of science to give credence to iron-age superstition. Is nothing sacred from them ... please tell me it was a piss-take ...

Juventus3 Posted on 30/6 23:07
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

It's Doctor Who.... the use of obvious biblical reference points in tonight's show demonstrates a furthering of the last four decades of science and if anything mocks and 'unchristianises' the 'iron-age superstition'. And that's if it was anything other than simply using the most famous story most of the country knows to relate to and dramatise a piece of prime time television.

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DelU Posted on 30/6 23:23
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

Juventus3 Posted on 30/6 23:07
It's Doctor Who....

Okay, maybe I'm taking it too seriously, only entertainment. Its just that after Bush made it okay to be dumb, Blair's religious push has made this all too acceptable, especially to impressionable kids. Beware the creeping terror! ;-))

Boro_Owl Posted on 1/7 8:13
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

Just watched the first 5 minutes of gridlock.

If John Barrowmans age of 40 is anything to go by, Captain Jack is roundabout 5 billion and 200 years old.

ElvisRamone Posted on 1/7 8:23
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

Slightly disappointed in last nights finale. Didn't like the ending for the Master - he should've been allowed to escape as he always did. I thought he would've pinched Jacks Time ring and got away....is he now a woman, or is she up the duff???

guyb Posted on 1/7 12:01
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

You noticed the masters ring had the same insignia as the watches the master and the doctor stored their timelord essence in when they were both human?

(also the hand picking up the ring at the end - Flash Gordon!)

CesurYurek Posted on 1/7 20:32
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

RIP the Master you were great.

David_Dunn Posted on 1/7 21:32
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

John Simm is known for not playing roles for too long, he was never going to be the master for long.

Its pretty clear that that ring will be a wath-like thing storing his memories, that fittie form hollyoaks will keep it, have his kid or use the ring to take over someones mind etc. The master is like the daleks or cybermen, way to popular to kill off for good.

That being said, Russell T Davies needs to stop writing Dr Who, the finale should have been brilliant, but he ruined it with his over the top plot. The best episodes this series (and the last two) havent been written by him.

Boro_Owl Posted on 1/7 21:37
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

We don't know who has the ring though David.

I reckon that the Daleks will resurrect the Master, and the Master will help rebuild Dalek Empire. As you do.

David_Dunn Posted on 1/7 22:16
re: Dr Who - the series so far.

Well the one who used to be in Hollyoaks (forget her name) has been in the background of the episodes during the series, like the Master's right hand woman.

Evertything in the series seem sto be linked and things always crop back upm Ill wager a bet that she turns up with the Master's ring sometime. It was a woman's hand and I doubt its his wife, she shot him after all.