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Archie_Stanton1 Posted on 13/6 14:04
Outrageous Comments Re: Maddelaine McCann
I`ve just been told about this new online petition.

I can`t deny that i think the parents were in the wrong to leave the kids on their own, but some of the comments (see view current signatures part) are absolutley outrageous.

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Link: Petition

skiprat Posted on 13/6 14:07
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Seem perfectly reasonable to me.

captain5 Posted on 13/6 14:09
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Can't beat a bit of inverse snobbery from people with no hearts.

captain5 Posted on 13/6 14:09
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Can't beat a bit of inverse snobbery from people with no hearts.

mm40 Posted on 13/6 14:34
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whoever started this petition should hang their heads in shame.

speckyget Posted on 13/6 14:36
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Shows this country has terminal cancer of the soul.

Turner_86 Posted on 13/6 14:37
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I bet all of those people on that petition live perfect lives and never make a single mistake. How I wish I was like them.

flabby66 Posted on 13/6 14:42
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nearly 3000 signed, they are paying for their mistake in the worsed way possible, some people are heartless.

trodbitch Posted on 13/6 14:42
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Like I've said before, the self-righteous coonts are almost enjoying their suffering. We like nothing more in this country than to stick the boot in to anyone to make us feel better about our own perfect lives.

moxzin87 Posted on 13/6 14:42
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I think it is reasonable that there should be an investigation.

b0r0lad Posted on 13/6 14:43
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how true.

zoec Posted on 13/6 14:47
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An investigation into what, moxzin?

Lefty3668 Posted on 13/6 14:47
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'whose negligence is unreasonably being discounted in the tidal wave of sympathy brought about as a consequence of their media campaign".'

Not because of their loss, but a media campaign. FFS!

Valparaiso Posted on 13/6 14:49
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I sincerely hope they find her. However, if the parents were working class of mixed race and from a council estate in Manchester and had left three babies on their own for an hour while they went to the Pub, they would now be public enemy No 1. Double standards I'm afraid.

captain5 Posted on 13/6 14:51
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The double standards work both ways.

zoec Posted on 13/6 14:51
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What double standards? They do seem to be public enemy number one.

moxzin87 Posted on 13/6 14:53
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An investigation isn't a prosecution. By the looks of it, and I hope I am wrong, a young girl has died. Is it unreasonable to suggest that there should now be an investigation into why this occurred? I don't think so. The main thrust should be on catching the culprit, but investigating the security of the complex, and the wisdom of leaving children alone there, should be included, to prevent it happening again. If they've done nothing wrong, which I'm inclined to agree with, an investigation will do nothing else but show this.

Valparaiso Posted on 13/6 14:58
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Hundreds of kids go missing every year. Only a few cases get any media attention. So long as the child is white, middle class and female we all get to know about it. For me, it's Mr and Mrs McCann that who should be prosecuted.

zoec Posted on 13/6 14:59
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I'm sure the police are investigating every scenario. Horrible though it is to admit, I think you're right and that she's dead. Investigating why she was left alone in the first place won't achieve anything, IMO.

Valparaiso, you want them prosecuted for not being assassinated in the media, then? If they had been, presumably you'd have let them off?

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captain5 Posted on 13/6 15:00
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And you would be happy for this to be carried out within the media and by public with little knowledge of any of the facts beyond what they've read in the papers; when we still don't know exactly what has happened to her??

Enjoy perfection.

speckyget Posted on 13/6 15:04
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Perhaps people are right. After all, terrible if they were to go 'unpunished' eh?

Valparaiso Posted on 13/6 15:04
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The facts are facts. The parents have admitted they left three kids under the age of 4 in a hotel room on their own for an hour while they went for a night out. As a parent myself I would never never do that. Could two doctors not aford a baby sitter which the hotel provided for a small fee.

zoec Posted on 13/6 15:06
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That's not the point. They've paid the ultimate price and people seem to be pleased to be able to crow about it.

moxzin87 Posted on 13/6 15:06
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Was that for me or Valparaiso, captain?

zoec - "Investigating why she was left alone in the first place won't achieve anything, IMO." Thats your assumption. You can't kaibosh any sort of inquiry, investigation or debate just because you've guessed the outcome already or it might turn up something unseemly.

In my view the McCann's have been given a remarkable pass by a sympathetic public. Of course we're sympathetic, we're humans, blessed with empathy. But I don't think the law has to be so sentimental. If there's an investigation, and surely there must, and the McCann's are required to testify before it, they can't be expected to get out of it, and I don't think they'd ask to either.

As I've said, I'm convinced they've done nothing wrong. But I'd rather that was proven by an inquiry, as opposed to me, zoec or The Sun newspaper.

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captain5 Posted on 13/6 15:09
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Valparaiso, Mox.

I don't disagree that there should be an investigation into EVERYTHING about this case, but I do find the focus on her parents distasteful.

However. Facts are facts. Apparently.

Valparaiso Posted on 13/6 15:13
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Parents have a legal obligation to their children. What they did was irresponsible. I very very much hope they find her and that her and her siblings are taken into care.

bandito Posted on 13/6 15:14
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we keep hearing the same old bullchitt from the do gooders who tell everyone how they shouldn't have left them, etc etc. Of course they shouldnt have left them. Dya think the parents dont know that!! They are paying for the biggest mistake they will ever make in their lives. Cant believe people use this issue to express their worthless opinions and to make themselves look authoritive and important. We dont care what you have to say.

Tom_Fun Posted on 13/6 15:14
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Heartless.

SuperBokSupper Posted on 13/6 15:15
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I wonder how many children go missing or are killed in Iraq or the war torn African countries?

But like has already been stated, they are not white middle class english girls are they.

zoec Posted on 13/6 15:18
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"I wonder how many children go missing or are killed in Iraq or the war torn African countries?"

Why wonder? It has quite a lot of news coverage, so I'm sure google can help.

captain5 Posted on 13/6 15:18
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That's very true, but most stories that impact in the media do so because of it being personalised in some way, whether it be a particular person involved or it being a scenario that people could envisage being involved in themselves or is close to home.

eg - London bombings being bigger news than the dozens of suicide bombings in Iraq, to us.

Woodymfc Posted on 13/6 15:19
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I get the impression they are not squeeky clean

moxzin87 Posted on 13/6 15:20
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"Heartless."

What place has the heart in law? Don't get me wrong, I'd prefer 'impersonal' or 'impartial' to 'heartless' but if thats how it seems, so be it.

There are two different issues here. If people want a witch-hunt against the parents for whatever reason (and class warfare has to be high) then count me out.

But if on the other hand you want to protect them absolutely from due process, and call anyone who objects 'outrageous' and 'heartless' - its got tabloid mawkishness written all over it.

There will be an investigation. And the McCann's will have to answer questions. And it won't be outrageous in the slightest.

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captain5 Posted on 13/6 15:22
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Do you think that petition and the comments by some of the people on the site are due process, because I certainly don't.

Just because I find that heartless doesn't make me mawkish. That's nearly as bad as saying that anything being decent is PC.

Valparaiso Posted on 13/6 15:24
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bandito - haven't you forgot something? It's the child we are worried for, not the parents. They are the ones who should be prosecuted - not the kids. Think about it!

Boromart Posted on 13/6 15:24
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There are no right answers just opinions here, but I do get sick of people being called heartless because they think the McCanns did wrong. I have yet to hear one person gloat about it, so please show a bit of respect for other peoples opinions rather than just call them heartless coonts and questioning if they are 'perfect' parents themselves, which is irrelevant.

Everyone sympathizes with what they have been through, but at the end of the day if you leave your kids alone in this country you would be questioned on your ability as a parent, and rightly so. Social services would get involved, and would deem it neglectful parenting. As far as I am concerned you don't check your moral obligations as a parent in at customs at Heathrow.

Should they be prosecuted? They have been punished more than anyone should ever be punished, I'm not sure if that should concern the law. Also if they did commit a criminal offence then it wasn't on British soil so can a British court have jurisdiction to do anything?

For those people who are vehemently defending the McCanns....If a driver has had one too many (a mistake that many people have made), and knocks over and kills a child, that driver will suffer for their actions for the rest of their lives. Should the law not prosecute because they are already suffering? Should we say well it was a simple mistake they didn't do it intentionally? Should we say we cannot judge this person because in 1992 I once drove after 2 1/2 pints?

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zoec Posted on 13/6 15:25
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Valparaiso - do you really think that taking the McCanns' other children into care would be the best thing for them? Honestly?

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moxzin87 Posted on 13/6 15:25
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I haven't read any of the comments on that petition because they're nothing to do with the petition itself. I broadly agree with its statement though, although as I said, I personally doubt the parents have been negligent. But the petition is, for me, requesting due process which, again to me, is in danger of being strewn aside, albeit with good intentions. But the path to hell and all that.

sasboro Posted on 13/6 15:26
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tabloids and media like to make a mini soap out of peoples real lifes. then everyone gets dragged into it to give their opinions and how they think the ending will be. then once the mini soap reaches a conclusion the media target someone else. the tabloid readers demand an answer so they can tell their friends 'i told you so' over a tea break at work. I bad guy as to come out of it all like in the soaps. We all wait with baited breath to see id there is a twist at the end of the story

SuperBokSupper Posted on 13/6 15:30
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Ok zoe,

there are thousands upon thousands.

Why does 1 child deserve this much publicity?

At least pit bull terriers can breathe easily again until the media jumps back on that bandwagon eh.

Tom_Fun Posted on 13/6 15:31
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Moxzin, I was referring to the petition as being heartless.

trodbitch Posted on 13/6 15:32
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How can people say its the kids they are feeling for and not the parents but then talk about having the kids taken into care and the parents sent to prison? Wouldn't that be a pretty awful thing for the kids to have to deal with, on top of losing their kid sister?

My other point is that I love the irony that if they were "from a council estate" then they'd be public enemy number one and would be widely derided. From what I read on here, hear from people I talk to and see from that petition and the comments that go with it, they are being condemned from all angles. If this is them getting an easy ride, I can't comprehend what them getting crucified would be like.

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trodbitch Posted on 13/6 15:34
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Fine, let there be an investigation. The conclusion would be that it wouldn't be in the children's best interest to split their family up any more than it already is. I doubt people would get their pound of flesh if it went ahead.

moxzin87 Posted on 13/6 15:35
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Who said anything about splitting the family up, trod?

zoec Posted on 13/6 15:36
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Valparaiso did.

trodbitch Posted on 13/6 15:41
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"Valparaiso Posted on 13/6 15:13

Parents have a legal obligation to their children. What they did was irresponsible. I very very much hope they find her and that her and her siblings are taken into care."

But it's not the first time I've heard it or read it.

Boromart Posted on 13/6 15:42
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anyone with any common sense would agree that it is UNLIKELY to be in the best interests of the 2 kids to be taken into care.....some people lose their grip on common sense though when the subject is as emotive as this one.

Valparaiso Posted on 13/6 15:43
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The parents negligence has already split the familly. how many time have they done this before? Will they do it again? They are responsible for their actions. deal with it!

mm40 Posted on 13/6 15:45
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Valparaiso + Moxzin87 = attention seekers. Your comments are typical of people who jump on their high horse and have a pop at easy targets. Give yur head a shake the pair of you, perhaps you are the kind who live perfect lives, eh?

trodbitch Posted on 13/6 15:47
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I'm quite able to deal with it, thank you very much. I've never said it was not their fault. I'm just saying it would hardly be in their children's best interests to continue to rip their family apart.

"Will they do it again?"

No, they'll never do it again.

Boromart Posted on 13/6 15:50
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FFS mm40, what has 'perfect lives' got to do with anything or high horses? So you don't think you are better than the yorkshire ripper, and you don't think that you can judge Harold Shipman because you aren't perfect?

By your logic then no one can have an opinion about anyone else (that is getting on your high horse apparaently), and no one should be arrested or sent to prison (because every judge has done something wrong in their lives).


It's an irrelevant defence, see my post from 15:24 and tell me how you feel about that hypothetical situation.

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trodbitch Posted on 13/6 15:50
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mm40, I can see where mox is coming from. The point he seems to be making is that public sympathy shouldn't sway due process.

I'd have no problem if the police looked at it but I think in all likelihood they and the cps would deem it was not in the public's interest to prosecute. That's quite different from some people who seem to want to see revenge performed or some sort of public condemnation.

moxzin87 Posted on 13/6 15:52
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"If they've done nothing wrong, which I'm inclined to agree with"
"As I've said, I'm convinced they've done nothing wrong."
"If people want a witch-hunt against the parents for whatever reason (and class warfare has to be high) then count me out."
"I personally doubt the parents have been negligent."

All quotes from me on this thread? Thats me having a pop is it?

Try reading people's opinions before you leap in there. As I've said, enough times, but obviously not for you, I'm sure the parents are not to blame on this score. But I'd rather it was proven by an inquiry, and they shouldn't be able to duck any investigation that arises. I'm actually quite sure the McCann's would agree with me.

If thats so extreme that you guys have such an orthodoxy, such a dogma, that anyone who deviates from it is denounced as 'heartless' or whatever. Get over it - you're being more McCann than the McCann's, who I think have been honest and humble throughout the whole thing.

YodaTheCoder Posted on 13/6 15:54
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"Your comments are typical of people who jump on their high horse and have a pop at easy targets"

The same argument could be leveled at those who tear into anyone who suggests the parents are partially to blame for the situation.

rutters Posted on 13/6 15:57
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If 'investigating' them sends a message to other Parents not to leave their children unattended then it can only be for the better.

mm40 Posted on 13/6 15:59
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wh gives a stuff about an enquiry or this pathetic petition, I think its unbelievable that people want to start a witch hunt when a family has had one of their children abducted.

Boromart Posted on 13/6 16:01
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I think its unbeleivable that someone doesn't want the circustances of an abduction thoroughly investigated from all angles because it might upset the parents.

moxzin87 Posted on 13/6 16:02
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You're either on a wind-up or you're just dull. I assume the best of people so I'll take the former.

Boromart Posted on 13/6 16:05
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who is that aimed at moxin?

trodbitch Posted on 13/6 16:06
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mm40, I think.

Boromart Posted on 13/6 16:10
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I'll agree then!

mm40 Posted on 13/6 16:10
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what having the portuguese, british police forces and interpol working on what is probably the most high profile child abduction case in history, is that enough investigating???
Why do we need a separate enquiry?

Boromart Posted on 13/6 16:16
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interpol doesn't exist it is just a messaging protocol, so 'they' are not working on it as there is no 'they'.

you seem to claim the british police shouldn't really get involved, certainly in looking at the parents. So that just leaves teh portuguese police activily looking at them......they seem to be under intense jingoistic pressure due to their 'backwards' policing methods so are tiptoeing around everyone to save there reputation.

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trodbitch Posted on 13/6 16:18
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They are focussing on finding her though, they aren't looking at this from a child protection angle.

mm40 Posted on 13/6 16:23
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"you seem to claim the british police shouldn't really get involved, certainly in looking at the parents"
were abouts did I mention this?

The problem does not lie with the class of the people involved as some seem to suggest, its just the other unfortunate cases of missing children should have received the same amount of coverage as this one. Perhaps that is an indictment of society.

Archie_Stanton1 Posted on 14/6 8:33
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Some of the comments are ridiculous

"They should be hung for their actions"
"The father reminds me of Ian Huntley"

To the downright insane

"Maddy is probably now in the hands of the known paedophle George Bush Snr"

TheSmogMonster Posted on 14/6 9:01
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I'm kind of with Boromart on this one.

Why shouldn't the parents be prosectuted because of public sympathy?

People get killed accidently everyday, it doesn't stop a gross negligence manslaugter charge? No matter how sorry the person can be.

In this country the parents are responsible for the safety of their childen and what the parents did was a gross mistake, sure they didn't know, but they knew there was a risk or they wouldn't have been checking up on the children.

So lets get this straight, they identify a risk, then do it anyway? Thats why I don't have all that much sympthy for them, I find it deeply worrying that any parent would act like that.

I do feel sorry for them, but I feel they did it to themselves, but that they have acted like idiots, and shouldn't be let of the hook just because we are told to feel sorry for them.

At the end of the day, if they had left someone elses child in that position, what would peoples feelings be? Would it be that they were ok not to be investigated because they felt bad about losing their friends child?

I'm not saying by the way that I want blood, just due process, we can't just ignore law when we feel like it, for grieving parents or a saudi prince.

Incidently the law does cover this kind of situation even if it is on foriegn soil.

hicktonspenaltyrunup Posted on 14/6 9:17
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I think it's been pointed out a lot of times that there is no such thing as perfect parents.
Maddy's family are paying the ultimate penalty.I can't even begin to imagine how they feel at the moment.
In the 60's as a 5 year old, I went missing at Blackpool for about 5 hours.Mam and dad found me eventually at the missing kids caravan, which existed then. My old man still talked about it 30 years later.In that 5 hours he and mum went through every emotion imaginable.
Our youngest once sloped off in a shopping centre in Dubai, when he was around 4.I can tell you now, the 10 minutes we took to find him seemed like a day.We took our eyes off him for what seemed like no time.It was the most frightening experience I've ever had in my life- and totally our fault, in the eyes of many people who are passing negative opinions about the McCanns

The parents need support not condemning. They will have condemned themselves,and will continue to do so, far more than the press and public ever could.

aliasme Posted on 14/6 9:51
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"Maddy's family are paying the ultimate penalty."

Wrong. The child itself is paying the ultimate penalty on account of the negligence of the parents who have broken the law in leaving a child of that age unattended.

trodbitch Posted on 14/6 10:09
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Ok, they are BOTH paying a rather big penalty. Let's not argue over semantics here.

What is odd to notice is how people are aiming their vitriol at the McCann's when it's nothing to do with them if they get investigated or not. I'm pretty sure they would answer any questions posed, they have so far.....