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Prime_Minister Posted on 18/6 13:16
Official lets get rid of Errea thread

If we can get over a thousand surely Gibbo will take notice, if we make so much money from them why dont Man U use them!

Get Rid we are being sold short.

captain5 Posted on 18/6 13:18
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You'll struggle to get over 50.

Keep them. I love them*.



*Not quite.

ExiledInStoke Posted on 18/6 13:18
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It doesn't matter a jot who makes our shirts.

The sales of our replicas are diminished by the fact that you can't get them anywhere but Teesside.

wool_skull Posted on 18/6 13:19
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Sign me up.....................Get shot of Errea

BoroMutt Posted on 18/6 13:20
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Apart from Mail order and the internet, obviously?

Prime_Minister Posted on 18/6 13:20
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"It doesn't matter a jot who makes our shirts." ???

course it does

captain5 Posted on 18/6 13:22
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It matters, but what would a 'better make' achieve??

Prime_Minister Posted on 18/6 13:23
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i reckon Gibbo must have shares in them! why else would he put up with these amateurs?????

PoetLaureate Posted on 18/6 13:23
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get puma! i like the football shirts made by them.

Capybara Posted on 18/6 13:25
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Gibbo out, then?

cheese_shop_john Posted on 18/6 13:25
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agreed...get rid

captain5 Posted on 18/6 13:26
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Do those who want them out understand why they are 'in' at the moment??

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anth87 Posted on 18/6 13:27
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can honetly say im not bothered... as captain said will it make us play better .. i think not... will it make us win more games i think not... will it attract better players.. i think not...

toxic_bob Posted on 18/6 13:27
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Let's get some of those ethical ones made out of hemp. Then next season you could buy the new shirt and smoke the old one.

captain5 Posted on 18/6 13:28
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Strictly speaking you'd have to wait for a product cycle to complete, bob.

Prime_Minister Posted on 18/6 13:28
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Capy - No to your question, i love Gibbo! but when it comes to how our club is marketed, we arent even Championship!

BoroMutt Posted on 18/6 13:28
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The nike is stuff is just better made. cos them kids in vietnam only have little fingers so they can sow dead little stitches which are better and neater and stronger too.

b0r0lad Posted on 18/6 13:29
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do you go to watch the team or the shirts?

Prime_Minister Posted on 18/6 13:30
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It wont improve the team on the pitch????

Of course it will, extra income means better players you doyle...

Capybara Posted on 18/6 13:31
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Makes Gibbo a doyle then?

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MarlonD Posted on 18/6 13:32
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I know someone who worked in the clubshop.

Let's just say the mark up on a shirt made by errea is phenomenal.

captain5 Posted on 18/6 13:32
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Explain how we would get extra profits please.

We've done this about three dozen times over the past five years. I can do it off by heart.

BoroMutt Posted on 18/6 13:32
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Primey, you're so right this is soooo obvious why has no-one pointed this out before?

*slaps head in disbelief*

b0r0lad Posted on 18/6 13:32
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how will changing kit manufacturer make us more money?

PoetLaureate Posted on 18/6 13:34
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There is millions of fans in Turkey and south korea waiting for these shirts

Prime_Minister Posted on 18/6 13:35
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Capy - Unless he does have shares in Errea it does! We have had them now for a long time and we have come a long way as a football team, won a cup etc but we are in 2007, we are the only team in the Prem whose shirt can not bought in your local sports shop!

shockin

captain5 Posted on 18/6 13:36
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Why do you think that is, Prime_Minister??

c64glen Posted on 18/6 13:36
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Don't like errea shirts, refuse to buy another. So please get rid.

b0r0lad Posted on 18/6 13:36
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the club shop isn't local?

Capybara Posted on 18/6 13:36
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Utter cluelessness by our multimillionaire businessman chairman then?

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captain5 Posted on 18/6 13:36
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The argument goes that Nike/Adidas kit = more sales = more profit for the club.

A load of ill-thought out bollox as is the norm.

johnsmithsno2 Posted on 18/6 13:38
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This perennial whine is nonsense led by fashion victims who've bought into the Nike/Adidas/Whoever marketing hype.

I still play five a side regularly iin the old green and gold vertical striped kit and it's still in perfect nick.

On to the edconomics. Man United need to sell shirts all over the world so they need a worldwide distribution network and therefore are prepared to split the profits.

We sell most of our shirts to locally based fans. It makes sense then to deny the retailers their cut and take all the profit ourselves. This is a lot of money per shirt.

And with sales now simple over the Internet the argument has become even stronger in recent years.

skiprat Posted on 18/6 13:39
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I bet Gibson has never seen statistics on the mark up and revenue made from clubs with deals with Nike/Addidas and instead just blindly chooses Errea each year just for the craic.

mickbrown Posted on 18/6 13:41
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Maybe Nike, Adidas, Reebok wouldn't let you get away with a new kit every season.

trodbitch Posted on 18/6 13:42
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I think we should get rid of errea and have all our nana's knit a few patchwork squares each.

Prime_Minister Posted on 18/6 13:42
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"We sell most of our shirts to locally based fans."

Only because thats the only way you can buy it!! JEEZE

If we make so much money, why dont Man U (the biggest shirt sellers in the world) use them??

b0r0lad Posted on 18/6 13:44
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because we arent and never will be on the same level as man utd

skiprat Posted on 18/6 13:45
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Is there a day goes by without you mentioning that Mick? Getoverit.

BoroMutt Posted on 18/6 13:46
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Primey, perhaps if got a proper manufacturer to make them we could sell them through supermarket as well. Loads of kids are going to want our new kit why should we not cater for those living in teh south? Or even overseas and Sundlan get theres in the Barca shop so all the Barca fans are now proper Keano fans and I bet they shipload in Ireland what with Quinn and the money coming from Irelant.

We're being left behind and no-one on here cares 'cept Primey.

Come on people wake UP!

mickbrown Posted on 18/6 13:48
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skiprat - I reckon that's the reason you stay with them

The number of shirts you will sell will be pretty constant. If you can sell them every year as opposed to every two years then that's more money for the club.

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Tom_Fun Posted on 18/6 13:49
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People care far too much about what manufacturer's name is on a football shirt. It's unhealthy.

johnsmithsno2 Posted on 18/6 13:54
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Sorry Prime, I thought I explained that. No matter who makes them, Boro kits won't be on sale in Herfordshire or Holland - unlike United shirts. Instead, nearly all will be bought in sports shops in Middlesbrough, Stockton and Redcar, who we'll effectively share the profits with. It just wouldn't make sense for us and the "Why don't Man U do it then?" argument fails.

Gamblor Posted on 18/6 13:56
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Mick, any manufacturer will make two different kits a year, sometimes even three, if that is what the club wants.

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skiprat Posted on 18/6 14:05
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Exactly Mick, if we are going to go down that route then we need a manufacturer who is happy for us to sign up to the best deal that WE can get, at this time that is Errea as we make a superb mark up of profit from the tops that would be eaten up very easily by other commercial firms if we signed up with anyone else.

Let's not mess around here, we are a local club with a relatively local only population, it does not make business sense at all to market in areas where we have a very small opportunity of selling shirts. (Down South, London, Nou Camp(!?))

mickbrown Posted on 18/6 14:18
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Gamblor - vey probably - I'm just chucking out a theory.

Prime_Minister Posted on 18/6 14:19
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The lot of you have small mentalities, i dont know if you have ventured outside the boro but if you did you would see that we have a good following.

I have family in london, and in spain and when i meet friends over there i know alot of them have us, yes the BORO as there second team!!

So you can talk about oh we are a local club and we have a small fan base!! NO WE ARE NOT
We are a world wide club with millions of people watching us in countries we havent heard of and maybe just maybe some people might just like us and think i am going to support that team, as they dont wanna go with the so called big teams!

BoroMutt Posted on 18/6 14:22
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I've heard of lots of countries are you telling me there are some more I haven't yet heard of?

captain5 Posted on 18/6 14:22
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You have no knowledge of retailing, marketing and economics, unfortunately.

To do what you want we would have to cut the margins on all of our shirt sales to get a possible small increase in other interested customers in diverse geographical locations.

Sleaford_Socialite Posted on 18/6 14:24
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Geordie/Mackem troll or just insane, you decide.

Sleaford_Socialite Posted on 18/6 14:29
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Lets follow your model then, current set up, lets say we sell 12,000 shirts for £20 profit per shirt, money made = £240,000. Your new fangled 'big name' shirts, lets say we sell 15,000 with £12 profit per shirt = £180,000. It makes no sense for the club to do this.*










*All figures made up to illustrate a point.

captain5 Posted on 18/6 14:30
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I think you're insane.

Prime_Minister Posted on 18/6 14:34
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"You have no knowledge of retailing, marketing and economics, unfortunately"

if you knew me you would know i know what im talking about?
Ok then answer me these 2 questions...

Who is has a bigger fan base Boro or Reading?
How come Reading are sponsored by Puma?

johnsmithsno2 Posted on 18/6 14:34
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Tell all your mates in London/Spain/countries we've never heard of they can buy Boro shirts over the Internet painlessley using a piece of plastic. It's all the rage apparently.

Prime_Minister Posted on 18/6 14:36
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JohnSmithNopoo - Not everyone has the internet, and another thing cards used in other countries are not excepted on our website.

Shut the door on your way out..

Sleaford_Socialite Posted on 18/6 14:39
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Who makes the most money from shirts sales Reading or Boro?

BoroMutt Posted on 18/6 14:40
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Fordy OUT, Primey IN

You know it makes sense. So do you reckon we could get sponsorred by Adidas or because they sponsor Newcastle they won;t be able to? Cos Nike do sUndland yeah? So we don't want to be mistaken for mackems with stripes and such? Me I want kappa with the two boilers on.

mickbrown Posted on 18/6 14:44
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"Not everyone has the internet, and another thing cards used in other countries are not excepted on our website."

So they can use them then?

Prime_Minister Posted on 18/6 14:49
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MB - eh?

johnsmithsno2 Posted on 18/6 14:52
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He's pointing out that you mean "accepted", not "excepted".

Prime_Minister Posted on 18/6 14:54
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some people are so anal!

Sleaford_Socialite Posted on 18/6 14:54
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If you're sure the market is there why not buy 5000 shirts off the club and sell them worldwide from your own website. I'm sure MFC would give you a good discount, and you could sell them for a few quid more than the club shop price, overseas sales only. You'll be minted when you sell all of your shirts in the first week.

Capybara Posted on 18/6 14:56
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Mutters

Spoff_MFC Posted on 18/6 14:56
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MickBrown, smarter than Prime Minister.

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captain5 Posted on 18/6 15:01
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This guy should stop now; he's making himself look a right idiot, which apart from saving us realisation time, I don't see any benefits of it.

Prime_Minister Posted on 18/6 15:03
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so why no one answer my questions?

you lot are typical boro fans with no ambition..

captain5 Posted on 18/6 15:05
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You are a typical whinger, with no brain.

Prime_Minister Posted on 18/6 15:10
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Captaindick - i am not whingin, i am just wanting the clubs marketing (if we have one) team to book there idea's up as at the moment the only thing embarrasing about this debate is MFC.

CesurYurek Posted on 18/6 15:13
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Theres nothing wrong with Errea and it annoys me when people complain about them.

We could have Nike and have a different coloured version of somebody elses kit, look at Fulhams its a white version of the Holland top.

Or we could have Addidas and since they only do one design now, Look at liverpool and chelseas exactly the same barring the colour, so we would have liverpools top with a different sponsor and badge thats all.

Boro with any of the big firms would just be another customer and we would look the same as everyone else. With Errea we are there biggest customer and can make the demands and we will always have a unique(maybe not good) top in the premiership. Even if another errea team comes Boro always get the designs first and then the other teams get them the next year.

I do wish Boro would make a deal with one of the sports brands though, Gibson must know Dave Whelan by now and would it be hard for his to go "Dave I have a buisness proposition for you, can you put a few boro tops in JJB stores in the north east and yorkshire barring teesside" We arent going to sell outside of the north east and yorkshire, but we might sell a couple as far south as leeds and as far north as newcastle, so a few tops in those areas might do well.

Sleaford_Socialite Posted on 18/6 15:13
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Which questions?

You answer one then. Why would the club change what they were doing to make less money?

captain5 Posted on 18/6 15:17
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You haven't given a single reason why we would get rid of them and then backed it up with fact.

Haven't you noticed?? Even those who would be happy to use something like this to beat the stick with aren't joining in. It's because you're wrong.

The figures don't stack up. Despite what you might think if we switched supplier you wouldn't have to buck delivery months in advance due to excessive demand.

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the_arc Posted on 18/6 15:17
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this is fooking stupid, how can you know anything about the deal boro or any other club in the world have with their shirt manufacturers.

For one thing, if we had shirts made by addidas, puma, umbro, nike etc. It would be to standard designs with no flare or individual touches such as the commemorative gold band on last seasons shirt.

We are errea's flagship club you ar$e! There's not been a season i've not had an errea shirt since we picked them up in 94/95, and theres not been a season i haven't been satisfied. Each shirt is unique and special and we have unprecedented choice and input in the designs. Do you think nike give a shiit about anyone but the top clubs?

(erm, was a bit slow with this)

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Gamblor Posted on 18/6 15:21
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I'm still waiting for the 'If Hartlepool can have Nike...' argument.

captain5 Posted on 18/6 15:26
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Cesur - Dave Whelan's boys have already been in trouble for something else previously very similar to that.

the_arc Posted on 18/6 15:30
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In JJB in Hull during the 00/01 season they had a atock of the white and purple band away kit, confused the hell out of me; were only in there for a couple of weeks then never seen a boro shirt outside club shop since.

Prime_Minister Posted on 18/6 15:33
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I havent got a problem with the kit, ive got a problem with not being able to buy a shirt outside of Middlesbrough!

why is this??

Oh and the guy who said we are Errea's flag ship, why are we mentioned behined Parma??

Link: die-errea

Bukowski_MFC Posted on 18/6 15:39
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Badly designed, ill-fitting garbage.

Get rid.

Sleaford_Socialite Posted on 18/6 15:41
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Maybe because their from Parma?

Link: About Errea, UK site.

captain5 Posted on 18/6 15:41
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Have you grasped how we would make less money yet doing it your way, or does this not stretch your retail, marketing and economics knowledge sufficiently??

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the_arc Posted on 18/6 15:43
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bring back Admiral; i miss the thing slowly unravelling whilst wearing it.

Sleaford_Socialite Posted on 18/6 15:43
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Boro at the pinnacle......

Link: ......above these footballing giants.

Gamblor Posted on 18/6 15:43
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Maybe because Parma and Errea are both Italian so it makes sense to put the team closet too them geographically first.

"Badly designed, ill-fitting garbage"

they're as badly designed as any other football shirt and all the ones I've bought fit me fine.

captain5 Posted on 18/6 15:44
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To be fair the team was doing much the same on the pitch at the same time as well.

Gamblor Posted on 18/6 15:49
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Whereas Villa share their kit manufacturer with Barnet. Whoo.

And I can't even find a website for Blackburn's kit manufacturer.

Jonathan11 Posted on 18/6 16:03
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Villa's kits are made by Nike now.

captain5 Posted on 18/6 16:07
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You better tell the guys who do their website.

They're still advertising Hummer (sic) as their official kit boys.

If it is Nike it is a disgrace that the new kit isn't out etc etc.

Jonathan11 Posted on 18/6 16:08
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http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=407236andcc=5739

http://www.avfcblog.com/images/AVFCshirt.jpg

captain5 Posted on 18/6 16:10
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Nike are rubbish, get them out etc etc.

Prime_Minister Posted on 18/6 16:11
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I rest my case, and to think Villa could have been more ambitious and chose to earn more money with Errea than to reach out to new fans with shirts in sports stores all over the world! There new owners dont have a clue do they Captain??.

captain5 Posted on 18/6 16:14
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You've not made a case to rest.

Sleaford_Socialite Posted on 18/6 16:15
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Our new home and away kits next to each other?

Link: Nike Kit = Champs League Football. FACT

Prime_Minister Posted on 18/6 16:16
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Oh but Captain i have! Jog on kidda

"You'll struggle to get over 50"

You havent got a clue

captain5 Posted on 18/6 16:17
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Name the 50 people on here who have supported you.

I reckon in this whole thread of nearly 100, you've got 4 people agreeing with you.

Can see where the username comes from then.

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Sleaford_Socialite Posted on 18/6 16:20
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No you haven't, list the benefits to the club from changing the current arrangement. Have a good look at your list and then come back and explain it to everyone.

Selling a few hundred or even a few thousand more shirts for a massive reduction in the amount of money we recieve per shirt is a fooking stupid idea.

Prime_Minister Posted on 18/6 16:21
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Theres a few Captaindick, those who dont want a new shirt make and to be able to go in a sports store throughout the country and see boro tops want there heads lookin at!

Sleaford_Socialite Posted on 18/6 16:21
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You were back from your jog quickly Capt, how far did you get?

The_Lizards_Jumpers Posted on 18/6 16:24
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This lad makes Boateng_7 look like a genius and FrenchFranck appear almost intelligent.

Surely an award for the biggest tool on the board, ever perhaps?

The_Lizards_Jumpers Posted on 18/6 16:24
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This lad makes Boateng_7 look like a genius and FrenchFranck appear almost intelligent.

Surely an award for the biggest tool on the board, ever perhaps?

Sleaford_Socialite Posted on 18/6 16:24
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Aarrraagghhhhhhhhh. 95% of our support is from within 15miles of the ground. Stop it, please.

If your idea of a good deal for the club is to see our shirts gathering dust in a JJB in Bristol or Swansea then you are a fooking mental.

captain5 Posted on 18/6 16:25
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I think he's what Miss Janet, formerly of planning, calls a fucktard.

ste_north_stand Posted on 18/6 16:27
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Is anybody seriously arsed who makes out kits?

Sleaford_Socialite Posted on 18/6 16:27
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Or is he just after a ton?

Prime_Minister Posted on 18/6 16:28
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The money we lose (if any) by changing our shirt maker would be made up by new shirt sponsors! for any company looking to invest in a shirt sponsor will look at how we market our brand, and lets be honest its not good! No wonder we are strugglin to find one, so if we had shirts throughout the country would be more appealing to any company!

captain5 Posted on 18/6 16:28
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He's got the ton easily.

Stupidity is rewarded like that on here (the Moses effect).

mitch_mfc Posted on 18/6 16:28
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I'm in get rid of Errea, dont even consider hi-tech or diadora as the replacement though!!!

captain5 Posted on 18/6 16:29
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Nope, he definitely doesn't get it. No understanding of the marketplace, sponsorship or anything.

The_Lizards_Jumpers Posted on 18/6 16:29
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I take it all back.

His last argument, backed up with his hard and fast facts have convinced me he should be our head of marketing.

captain5 Posted on 18/6 16:29
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That's good.

mitch is one of the new breed of Boateng_7-lites that we appear to have a surfeit of at the moment.

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Sleaford_Socialite Posted on 18/6 16:30
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Geordie-esque in it's nonsense filled simplicity.

Turner_86 Posted on 18/6 16:30
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Who says we are struggling to find a sponsor?

The company want their name on shirts because it will be seen on television, not on peoples chests walking through town centres.

Hence the reason we got a big sponsor deal with 888.com when we qualified for Europe and were going to be on Television every other week.

Turner_86 Posted on 18/6 16:31
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Who says we are struggling to find a sponsor?

The company want their name on shirts because it will be seen on television, not on peoples chests walking through town centres.

Hence the reason we got a big sponsor deal with 888.com when we qualified for Europe and were going to be on Television every other week.

The_DiasBoro Posted on 18/6 16:31
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People can't distinguish between the label issue and the 'sold only in club shop" issue.
Millions of foreign schoolkids come to London on holiday, go to a big store to buy a PL shirt and what they are likely to see is a display of all PL shirts except Boro's. Of course they wouldn't sell a great many Boro shirts if they had them, but the point is that an opportunity to raise the club's profile is missed. Supermarkets don't charge for carrier bags because they understand the value of people carrying adverts around town for free.

Sleaford_Socialite Posted on 18/6 16:33
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The money we lose (if any) by changing our shirt maker would be made up by new shirt sponsors! for any company looking to invest in a shirt sponsor will look at how we market our brand, and lets be honest its not good! No wonder we are strugglin to find one, so if we had shirts throughout the country would be more appealing to any company!



A wise man once told me "don't argue with fools", 'cause people from a distance can't tell who is who.

Turner_86 Posted on 18/6 16:33
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If a kid wants a shirt, they can get one online either through the official site or a cheap one of ebay.

I don't think they make their mind up who they are going to support when they are stood on the shop floor of JJB or Sport and Soccer.

Gamblor Posted on 18/6 16:37
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Actually when going in sports shops the only Premiership clubs shirts I see are the likes of Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea and Man Utd. See a few Sunderland and Newcastle shirts around here a bit. I've yet to see any Blackburn, Villa, Fulham and Bolton shirts.

Prime_Minister Posted on 18/6 16:37
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YOU ARE ALL MAD!

The reason we have sponsors is because we are on tele every week??? Thats what ive been sayin, over 100 million people world wide see the boro week in week out to if we can get a small % of new fans on board, through seeing a really good game (one game made Abromivich buy chelsea remember) we would be laughin! Hey guys or kids i dont know, Manchester United, Liverpool started somewhere!

Look at Seville, we have been in topflight longer than them, and look what they have acheived! i can go buy a seville top right now if i want! can a spanish guy say the same for us????

The_Lizards_Jumpers Posted on 18/6 16:38
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"Millions of foreign schoolkids come to London on holiday, go to a big store to buy a PL shirt and what they are likely to see is a display of all PL shirts except Boro's"

And of course they'll buy a Boro one when they think of their hero's Lee Cattermole and Andy Taylor rather than Henry, Drogba and Gerrard.

Oh and a number of supermarkets are going to start charging for carriers quite soon.

Turner_86 Posted on 18/6 16:40
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But you've just said yourself what we are trying to tell you. Kids worldwide will support us by seeing a good team and watching good games, not by the make on the shirt.

The_Lizards_Jumpers Posted on 18/6 16:41
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"one game made Abromivich buy chelsea remember"

No, the fact that they were based on London and he couldnt buy Spurs did actually.


"i can go buy a seville top right now if i want!"

But you havent ? Why ever not ?

Sleaford_Socialite Posted on 18/6 16:41
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Gamblor, do you think that's because no one buys them?

Sevilla don't have shirts for sale throughout the UK though, I've never seen any round here.

Gamblor Posted on 18/6 16:44
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No, I think it's more to do with the fact that shops only want to stock the shirts of big clubs.

Sleaford_Socialite Posted on 18/6 16:46
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Shops will go with demand though Gamblor, if there was a big market for Villa or Fulham shirts in Teesside Park then they'd stock more of them, there isn't so they don't.

Gamblor Posted on 18/6 16:51
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exactly. and the demand isn't there in the rest of the country for boro shirts.

Sleaford_Socialite Posted on 18/6 16:52
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Agreed.

Prime_Minister Posted on 18/6 16:52
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I bet we made a few extra fans after a come backs in the UEFA Cup last season!

Oh but sorry i forgot NO ONE supports the Boro outside teesside do they??

and you lot say i havent a clue!

captain5 Posted on 18/6 16:57
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I think we'd already established that and it need nothing further.

Capybara Posted on 18/6 17:12
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Just had to read the last hour and a half's worth in one go and ....



I still can't wait to hear about these countries we've never heard of yet

mattyjp0 Posted on 18/6 17:12
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Errea suck big time. I'm sick of all my mates saying Boro always have crap strips. Lets get someone decent on board like Adidas or Puma.

Prime_Minister Posted on 18/6 17:24
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Capy - Hopefully there is a country just of china called ulkio! they have a bar that has SSN on all the time! You lot heard of this country?

Paulinho Posted on 18/6 17:25
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Here's a question: If the only demand for Boro shirts is in the Boro, why bother having them on the net?

mowgli69 Posted on 18/6 17:27
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Time for a change I think, Errea have had a good run at it with mixed results...good quality gear recently but a few have been real dodgy...especially the home one from the gazza/ ince era with the stripes on the arms not meeting up with the ones on the shirt body.

the thing is , Boro need to sort out their marketing policy as a whole and where better to start than the shirt manufacturer......followed by shirt sponsor and match sponsorship. Our perimeter advertising is pretty poor... we need to think big to get the exposure we are all crying out for.

another thing is, to coin a phrase, the children are our future, and maybe to stop the teesside kids from running
around in liverpool and man utd kits we have to get a nike or adidas kit.

captain5 Posted on 18/6 17:29
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I don't think anyone said that, Paulinho.

I think they said that the vast majority of the demand was on Teesside.

Plus, I don't see the point you're making.

captain5 Posted on 18/6 17:30
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"and maybe to stop the teesside kids from running around in liverpool and man utd kits we have to get a nike or adidas kit."



Sceptic_Frank Posted on 18/6 17:59
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You can mock Captain but I think Mowgli makes a valid point. Kids are ridiculously fickle - if you think who manufactures a kit has no influence on purchase decision then you are mistaken.

It's interesting in this thread that Boro making a huge mark up on the shirts is positioned as a good thing. Some might see it as ripping the fans off, particularly with the annual change of both home and away kits. I understand this is money that will supposedly be pumped back into transfers but it's still a bit of a raw deal.

More generally, boro's marketing is well off pace with other clubs. You can either see this as a good thing - resisting the trend in globalisation / commercialisation of the game or as ultimately negative as we find it increasingly difficult to match the spending power of commercially orientated clubs.

Either way Errea kits are generally quite poor quality and that would be the main reason I'd like to change.

captain5 Posted on 18/6 18:05
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The kids thing is not down to the manufacturer brand, it's down to the club's brand.

mowgli69 Posted on 18/6 18:17
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I aggree that it's the clubs brand....but we still need to market ourselve better if we are to realise our true potential and move to the next level. It's not just done on the pitch....we would never be where we are today without the new stadium and Hurworth.
When Lamby said we'd get the team our town deserved he was right....but it's down to them too...I heard last year from some Marketing bloke that Fordy was an absolute joke.

Bukowski_MFC Posted on 18/6 18:18
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I won't buy a Boro shirt for my kid because Errea shirts are cheap, badly designed tat.

The only kit they've ever manufactured for us that I haven't had an issue with was their first ever effort way back in 1995(?). Since then, they've all been rather sh~t, let's be honest.

BrownSmog86 Posted on 18/6 18:19
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I have the latest shirt by Boro and it is not the only one that has been damaged in the wash. This suggests a lack of quality I believe. I also dont like the fit as much as tops made by certain other sports brands. I dont particularly give a shiite, but it would be nice if my £40 shirt wasnt made so poorly that gets damaged easily and is quite a poor fashion acessory. Especially because Im in Liverpool at the moment, so my Boro shirt is like a second skin to show the scouse doyles my colours.

--- Post edited by BrownSmog86 on 18/6 18:22 ---

JonnySt Posted on 18/6 18:19
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Get shot loada rubbish

johnsmithsno2 Posted on 18/6 18:32
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The quality argument just doesnt hold water, BrownSmog. I've got loads of Errea shirts going back years and they're all still fine after hundreds of washes.

But I got an Umbro Ireland kit a couple of years ago and it's unwearable, bobbled and wrinkled. The whole argument comes down to some people's desire to wear a fashionable label v more profit for the club.

Those who don't find that equation an easy one to solve are probably the same not too bright types who simultaneously argue that the chairman should subsidise the playing side beyond our income over and above the vast amount he does already.

mowgli69 Posted on 18/6 18:36
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why not....Chelsea are doing it.....I would rather have a big cash cow and be at the top of the prem than have nowt and be playing Doncaster Rovers.

BrownSmog86 Posted on 18/6 18:49
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Maybe I should sort my washing machine out then

jam_the_parmo Posted on 18/6 19:04
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They're awfull, some of the kits we've had over the years have been terrible. They make us look like part timers.

BoroMutt Posted on 18/6 19:06
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Finished work, got home, had me tea, came back on here and this moron-athon is *STILL* going.

Question for those who think that we would make more money by switching to a big name brand. Why do we change both shirts every year?

I'll give you the answer, because it generates more revenue than if we changed every other year. OK? So we establish that the club runs it's merchandising to generate the maximum sustainable revenue. Put plainly by screwing US for every penny they can.

Now here's the biggie...

If we would generate even one penny more in income by switching to a "big brand" shirt why do you think they haven't?

*BANGS HEAD ON COMPUTER KEYBOARD*

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HIRO Posted on 18/6 19:10
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"They make us look like part timers."

Good job the league isn't decided on who has the best kit then eh?

Seriously, it's a football shirt, NOT a fashion item. If you care that much about how you look, you shouldn't be wearing a bright coloured, polyester shirt with a fooking great corporate logo on it.

jam_the_parmo Posted on 18/6 19:13
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I do not think they'd make more money, however I don't think a bigger label would make us lose any and if we did it wouldn't be a dramatic.

I just plainly and simply think Errea are shlte, they make god awfull kits, when i think back over the years i cringe. They make us look like jokes. If it was down to me I'd get rid of Errea amd pig bag and any form of music after goals. I'd also get shot of Mark Page.

Maybe I'm being shallow here but all these things are really small time and it's this mentality that has stopped us progressing even further, now at a glance this will look like a ridiculous comment but if you delve a little deeper it is. We need to think bigger and a major sports manufactor is a neccessity...........

jam_the_parmo Posted on 18/6 19:15
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"Seriously, it's a football shirt, NOT a fashion item. If you care that much about how you look, you shouldn't be wearing a bright coloured, polyester shirt with a fooking great corporate logo on it. "


It's human nature to be shallow, if a Team turns up on a sunday looking like a bag of crap you instantly feel more confident. I think even at Premiership level this could play a part.

teesste Posted on 18/6 19:16
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Mate of mine who always seems to be right told me yesterday that this is the last year we will be using errea and we will switch to adidas for 2008/9 season. don't know how true it is but there you go..

cullen_lives Posted on 18/6 19:17
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Please get rid, awful manufacturer.

The_Boro_Oracle Posted on 18/6 19:52
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I love all these anti-Errea threads. Very entertaining, although covering the same ground as before.

Let's look at the facts. The deal Boro have with Errea means they get more revenue per shirt. A £40 shirt might (I don't know) make Boro £30. If it was sold in JJB or wherever, Boro would make £10 per shirt, with JJB taking £20. Where is the business sense in that? If you think the club will move to adidas to sell another 1,000 shirts just to please fans like you, with less profit, then you are mistaken.

Anyone remember a few years ago when the England shirt was £25 in Sports World? Do they sell it for that price now? No - it's £32. Why? They had to sell a huge amount of shirts to break even. And they didn't.

As for design, let's take a look around the Premier League for this season, shall we? Chelsea's and Liverpool's brand new adidas away kits are, apart from colour, sponsor etc are identical.
If you look at other clubs, many have now gone with Umbro. This includes West Ham, Blackburn, Sunderland, Wigan and Birmingham. Take a look on these clubs web sites. These kits are virtually identical copies of the England shirt. All have the Umbro logo on the shoulders and sleeve, and the pattern design underneath the arms. Oh yeah, and some clubs have now turned to the "exclusive club shop" deal that we have done for years. Don't bother looking for a West Ham shrt in the shops - you won't find one.

As for quality, the only two Errea shirts I didn't like were the first dial-a-phone one with the iron on sponsor and the bloody awful black/white/striped BTCellnet effort. Horrendous! Are these really any worse than any other make? Look at how many people wore retro shirts against Fulham. Seemed in pretty good nick to me.

I would be very annoyed with the club if we kept changing manufacturers. Apart from us, name me one club in the Prem that has had the same supplier for the last 5 years?

So, by having Errea we DO stand out and we DO make more money.

Sorry for a very long first post but this same arguament, churned out week after week really does get on my tits. Don't like it - don't buy it!!!

* As an added extra on quality, you haven't been able to buy the 06/08 Nike Arsenal home shirt since February. Why? The "Fly Emirates" logo fell off after it was washed and they withdrew the lot!! They have only just got them back in stock now.


--- Post edited by The_Boro_Oracle on 18/6 20:37 ---

Sleaford_Socialite Posted on 18/6 20:35
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Well said Oracle.

Jonathan11 Posted on 18/6 20:41
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Errea still suck, financial concerns aside. I'm aware as a business, it makes sense to keep Errea. But the kits themselves are just woeful.

the_broken_fridge Posted on 18/6 20:44
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I concurr with the Oracle.

And Sleaford Socialite, I suppose, by default.

Sleaford_Socialite Posted on 18/6 20:44
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I don't know Jonathon, I've only had about two other football shirts in the last ten years. One Ingurland and one Real Madrid, neither of which seemed to any better than the Errea efforts.

Sleaford_Socialite Posted on 18/6 20:46
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You better agree with me Fridgey, or I'll get them toughs who hang around outside Blockbuster to chase you out of town.

The_Boro_Oracle Posted on 18/6 20:50
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Cheers, guys!

I do have an original England 1990 shirt which I still wear, and it's not doing too badly. But my Skill Leisurewear Evening Gazette sponsored Boro shirt is in great nick - and that has had a hell of a lot of washes!

the_broken_fridge Posted on 18/6 20:56
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SS

I see there is an egg throwing contest or some such going on near you. Sounds great.

Lincs Show this week! I've got a tent!

Sleaford_Socialite Posted on 18/6 21:01
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I assume it's something to do with the two weirdos on the front of the Citizen wearing orange water proofs and throwing stuff at each other, bizarre. Lincolnshire show time again, my mate who lives at Scampton will be delighted, another week of his life lost to cows and combines, have the NHS got a stall?

the_broken_fridge Posted on 18/6 21:04
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Nah, it's just a stall about me really. My Futurama collage, Razzle collection, made up cocktails. Things like that.

Aye, the NHS has a stall, but just the mental health trust. I think the PCT has a stand, but its only a little thing.

Come along, try to win vouchers to spend at Springfields.

Sleaford_Socialite Posted on 18/6 21:18
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Tell me more of this collage, will it be displayed?

I think I'm up in boro this weekend, third in a row!

NSB19 Posted on 18/6 21:19
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Errea random size top. Buy a top labelled medium, it could be anything from extra small to xxxl !!!!! and the bugger will fall to pieces if you wash it more than twice !!

the_broken_fridge Posted on 18/6 21:21
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For some reason, the Lincs Show is midweek. Any excuse for farmers to have the day off.

Why so many trips to the old country?

Gamblor Posted on 18/6 21:23
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"Errea random size top. Buy a top labelled medium, it could be anything from extra small to xxxl !!!!! and the bugger will fall to pieces if you wash it more than twice !!"

two things to do here - one, try it on before you buy it and two, get your washing machine looked at. washed loads of errea boro tops and only one has gone (the 1st dial-a-phone one).

Sleaford_Socialite Posted on 18/6 21:24
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Th in-laws are resident in Italy so I'm dog and Granny watching, and it was fathers day. Never happens during the season though.

whoyadoin Posted on 18/6 21:50
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http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p165/mcques/KellogsBoroTop.jpg

http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p165/mcques/NIKEBoroShirt.jpg

http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p165/mcques/homeandaway.jpg

so sad I know... any suggestions?

Prime_Minister Posted on 19/6 12:17
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From Reebok to Umbro!

Link: New Kit

smoggyramone Posted on 19/6 12:22
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Saw a kid with one on this morning. Looks OK.

errea OUT!

kermit_the_smog Posted on 19/6 12:43
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I've said it a thousand times, but I want us to have a shirt like the Spanish world cup one.

I've always wanted a Nike shirt as I reckon they make the best looking tops, but adidas as of late have been doing some really nice ones.

I couldn't care less who makes it, as longs it looks pretty good. I havent seen a Boro top for years that I thought i defo wanna buy that.

I believe we should change shirt manufacturers for purely this reason, not bothered about whether or not they sell world wide. I don't live in Ghana, just Billingham, so it doesnt really affect me.

But, if you do have a nice shirt, people often buy them anyway as they think it looks good, especially foreign ones, so maybe a change of policy should be made and we should get shirts out in korea and turkey (for example).

But as i say, am not arsed about foreign sales, I just wanna see much better designed shirts and Errea have failed, in my eyes, to do a decent shirt in all my years.

--- Post edited by kermit_the_smog on 19/6 12:45 ---

MKredleaderOne Posted on 19/6 12:46
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Looks like another Prime Minister who thinks he knows what everyone wants because it's what he wants himself.

How long before Prime Ministers learn to listen?

I guess this one would lose the election by the biggest margin ever.

Prime_Minister Posted on 19/6 12:51
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MK - Calm Down!

I want what the majority want and i reckon more fans would want a new kit maker!

MKredleaderOne Posted on 19/6 12:58
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Prime_Minister

Think about it.

How many so far have agreed with you, not a majority.

My cousin who lives in France manages to get his son a shirt every season.

Most people couldn't care less who makes them.

If Steve Gibson thought we could make more money by using one of the "famous 5" I'm sure he'd have changed years ago.

What business or organisation have you ever run? and for how long. (Note I have not said successful as I'' give you a chance)

b0r0lad Posted on 19/6 13:01
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yes, lets get rid of the errea thread

Fatsuma Posted on 19/6 13:02
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"Oooh oooh oooh....Nike...adidas...puma!"

Chav-bloody-tastic!

Prime_Minister Posted on 19/6 13:04
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MK - Not every Boro fan come's on here! Most the fans on here are the one's who go to matches and sit there and dont even sing i will include you in that as you sound like you have your own box or something! 65% boro fans (season ticket holders) work outdoors and dont push pens like me and you!

MKredleaderOne Posted on 19/6 13:09
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Prime_Minister

I don't have my own box, never even been in one, wouldn't want to either.

As you didn't answer my previous question (but there again does any Prime Minister answer the question that was put?) I do wonder how you know what the majority of BORO supporters think?

How many do you know?

Prime_Minister Posted on 19/6 13:25
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I know alot of Boro fans and i know what im talking about so i dont have to justify myself to you! do you own a season ticket? East or West?

Id like to get Rob from FMTTM to answer on this as he knows what the fans who go to the game would want - Come on then Rob if your reading What do you think the majority of fans would want??

flyermetothemoon Posted on 19/6 14:04
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GET RID ASAP.

Not 100% sure of this but am i right in thinking the likes of Nike and Umbro pay clubs to wear their products.

Have Sunderland just been given £10 million on a 5 year contract with Nike?

MKredleaderOne Posted on 19/6 17:12
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Prime_Minister

You are indeed a politician.

Evades the question, but knows what people want without either knowing them or asking them.

At the end of the day it doesn't matter what you think you know, it's a decision taken by the main man who know's what is in the best finacial interests of the club.

Yes I am a Season Ticket holder - North Stand actually. 45 seasons I've been going now.

I'm not conceited enough to think I know what people that I don't know want. If you are good luck to you, but don't count me as one that wants to see the back of Errea, I couldn't vare less who make the shirt, it's the club I support not the manufacturer of the shirt especially if it's one that uses cheap child labour from the Third World.

Why not suggest to the club that they include a survey in with their next mail shot to the fans?

Prime_Minister Posted on 19/6 17:21
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Been going 45 years eh, i respect that.. that kinda answers my question, you are out of touch with the youth of today! its all about names now! If you have kids and ask them if the would rather wear Nike or Active, 4 stripes or three..

I just think we need to move on and act like we are, an established Premier League Club!

MKredleaderOne Posted on 19/6 17:34
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How old are you and how long have you been going?

I realise these questions like the others will remain unanswered.

But at least you've shown your true colours and admitted it's all about names, nothing to do with good business.

My cousin's lad is 10, he doesn't care who makes the shirt, it's the fact it's a BORO shirt that he wants one every year.

Thank Fu<I< you don't run BORO.

Winston_Spangler Posted on 19/6 17:38
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The shirts are usually pretty poor.

Prime_Minister Posted on 19/6 17:47
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MK - Thats a cheap shot! Im just saying thats why you dont seem to think its important to be fasionable! to be attractive to new supporters!! Kids are the future my Friend!

If you want to know why i started this thread, read it again!
Its not just about the name its what that brings with it! Being able to buy our Shirt any where there is a demand for it! and dont say there is no demand because that is just being small minded! There is a healthly following down London and all over!

Winston_Spangler Posted on 19/6 17:50
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I doubt Fenerbache fans are going to give their details to mfc.co.uk to register in order to buy a shirt. Put a few Tuncay shirts in their equivalent of JJB Sports in Istanbul and they'd fly off the shelves.

Sleaford_Socialite Posted on 19/6 17:51
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You can buy the shirt where there is a demand for it, Middlesbrough. The couple of hundred we'd sell everywhere else wouldn't justify doing it.

I think Boyes in Sleaford should stock 1 XL home shirt every August, save me going on line or picking one up next time I'm home.

Winston_Spangler Posted on 19/6 17:52
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Puma's the make to have at the moment. Reverse this Stuttgart tops colours. Put the Boro badge on it. Sorted.

Link: Better Than Errea.

Winston_Spangler Posted on 19/6 17:55
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Does anyone know for sure whether Gibson has shares in Errea or not? Because if Errea make us that much cash without him having a direct stake why aren't other Premiership clubs getting them involved?

Prime_Minister Posted on 19/6 17:57
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OK you want to buy a shirt but you dont have a card suitable to pay! what do you do???

You need to make our Shirts easy to reach all fans from all countries, and what if you dont know your size!! BANGS HEAD OFF WALL

Link: See the cards???

Trotsky4u Posted on 19/6 17:58
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I live just outside of London, I don't care who makes the shirts or where they're sold. I always buy my shirts and other stuff from the club shop, I'd hate to think some middleman would be taking a cut of the money I want to spend on Boro stuff.

Sleaford_Socialite Posted on 19/6 18:05
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Yes, VISA, Mastercard, Switch and Delta. What are they thinking.

Do you for one second think if there was a large market for our shirts somewhere we wouldn't be exploiting it. There isn't get over it. The current deal is the best financially for the club, if you want to wear a Puma shirt go and buy one.

I might be seeing you lads for a loan, you've all obviously got a better business brain than Gibbo, you must all be loaded.

--- Post edited by Sleaford_Socialite on 19/6 18:06 ---

Winston_Spangler Posted on 19/6 18:07
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I didn't say I had a better business brain than Gibbo. I did say that Errea make poor shirts. If the club make more money with Errea then fair enough. But the Turks want their Boro Tuncay shirts.

Sleaford_Socialite Posted on 19/6 18:12
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It wasn't aimed at you really Winston.

Only a suspicion but, they'll probably buy one or two and then knock up a 1000 rip off ones, it won't be worth it.

Winston_Spangler Posted on 19/6 18:13
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I might buy that Stuttgart top. You can get them on-line you know?

Sceptic_Frank Posted on 19/6 18:15
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Finally, after 180+ post Winston asks the question if Errea are so bloody profitable why don't any other prem club use them??!!

There seems to be some unchallengable assumption that as Gibson is a succesful businessman every marketing decision made by Middlesbrough is immediately the most astute and shrewd option.

Sunderland aren't a Man Utd and Chelsea and they have a Nike kit, why? Is their marketing director a fool? Is Graham Fordy the only man in the premiership who's cottoned on to this wonderful money-making scenario?

Maybe he is, I just don't like that some on here refuse to question anything Gibson does.

Fatsuma Posted on 19/6 18:17
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Keep Errea!!

I love walking into sports shops all across the country with my impressionable lad and saying to him : "See! They've already sold out of Boro shirts!"

You should see his eyes light up with excitement in the belief that he's following the land's most popular club!

Mind you - as he's now 37 I should perhaps tell him the truth, and stop taking him for day trips to far flung shopping centres!

Winston_Spangler Posted on 19/6 18:18
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"BOWS TO AUDIENCE AND LEAVES STAGE"

The_Boro_Oracle Posted on 19/6 19:10
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SF - Sunderland haven't had Nike for ages. Last couple of kits have been Lonsdale. Next year it's Umbro.

Flip it round. If adidas are that profitable, why doesn't every club have them supplying their kit? And once they are supplied by Nike or Puma, why don't they stick with them? I can name loads of clubs that have changed supplier more than once in the last few years. If they have such a great deal, why?

Maccarone_Is_Me Posted on 19/6 20:42
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It'd be good to have a change but knowing us we'd get that one that do Fulham's shirt or Joma.
I don't agree with 2 new shirts every year, that's just ripping the fans off.

the_broken_fridge Posted on 19/6 20:44
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I agree that changing the strip every year is a bit cheeky.

However, when it comes to shirts, nobody is ripping the fans off. It's not mandatory to have the current replica shirt.

boyfromtheboro Posted on 20/6 9:57
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Have the club ever stated why we remain loyal to Errea?

trodbitch Posted on 20/6 9:59
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Maybe they feel they have absolutely no need to make such a statement?

mfc_4_ever Posted on 20/6 10:00
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

200 ?

johnsmithsno2 Posted on 20/6 10:40
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Sceptic Frank: Have you read this thread? Your question was asked and comprehensively dealt with very early on.

As for whether the club have ever given their reasons, the answer is yes, at virtually every fans' Question and Answer session Graham Fordy has taken part in for almost a decade.

Prime_Minister Posted on 20/6 12:04
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

So what has Graham Fordy said about Errea then? what apart from money do we get out of them?

jaimemoreno Posted on 20/6 12:39
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Prime Minister come out with this about this quote: "You have no knowledge of retailing, marketing and economics, unfortunately"

if you knew me you would know i know what im talking about?
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I know you and you're a fo0king idiot Mr Smith!

neanderthaltoon Posted on 20/6 12:55
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

To be fair, your marketing department is just like the rest of the club, " SMALL TOWN IN YORKSHIRE "

the club has no long term vision outside of teesside. All the top teams in England and europe are supported by a large kit manufacturer, ie

Addidas Nike
Chelsea Barcelona
Liverpool Man Utd
Real Madrid Inter Milan
AC Milan Juventus
Newcastle Hartlepool

This show hartlepool have more ambition than the Boro,

I am not a boro fan but i am sure that Mr Smith (PM) only has the best interest of his club at heart when he started this thread.

jaimemoreno Posted on 20/6 12:56
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

I feel I need to say one or two more things...

Everyone in this thread is commenting on how we should either stick with or get rid of Errea, nobody here know's the numbers so how can we comment on these matters, maybe this 'small town' marketing ploy maybe the best choice for our club, who knows?

Personally I'd love to go abroad and see our tops in a foreign shop. When I was in Roma I went to the addidas store and the first shirt I seen was a Newcastle top, why shouldn't we market our shirts like that unless the figures don't add up?

At the end of the day I think most of us agree that Errea shirts aren't great quality and we'd love to have someone like addidas or nike making our kits but I for one, am quite happy to let Gibson and Ford make decisions on this. I can only see these two doing what's best for the club and will bring enough revenue into the club. Maybe this is insular thinking marketing wise but at the end of the day the figures have to add up.

johnsmithsno2 Posted on 20/6 12:57
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

PM: He made all the points covered ad nauseum above and accepted by anyone with a modicum of common sense.

This thread should really have been wrapped up within half a dozen posts when this was all fully explained to you.

jaimemoreno Posted on 20/6 13:00
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

John Smith... I think he was trying to hit 100 posts, he's gone a country mile passed that.

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Prime_Minister Posted on 20/6 13:01
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

johnsmithnopoo! you cant say or should i say spell so id keep quiet!

Turn out the light when you leave!

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Prime_Minister Posted on 20/6 13:12
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Cant believe i am saying this to a Toon fan but you are spot on -neanderthaltoon

I just wish our small minded fans could open there eyes and see there is a big big world out there!

johnsmithsno2 Posted on 20/6 13:22
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Sleaford Sociale said two days ago - A wise man once told me "don't argue with fools", 'cause people from a distance can't tell who is who.

I only wish I'd listened then - I'm off.

--- Post edited by johnsmithsno2 on 20/6 13:45 ---

Prime_Minister Posted on 20/6 13:27
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

See you later then john!

Yeah im a fool cos i want whats best for MY/OUR club!

Snickerdoodle Posted on 20/6 13:29
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

"MK - Not every Boro fan come's on here! Most the fans on here are the one's who go to matches and sit there and dont even sing"

"65% boro fans (season ticket holders) work outdoors and dont push pens like me and you!"


Please could I see the raw data from your Boro Fans Attendance and Employment survey.

Prime_Minister Posted on 20/6 13:36
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Didnt anyone ever tell you 98% of Stats are made up*













*this may not be true

Prime_Minister Posted on 20/6 17:21
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Even this guy had to write to our Chairman to get a shirt and send a cheque!!

GET RID OF ERREA THEY ARE CRAP

Link: This shows we have a good following

jaimemoreno Posted on 20/6 17:39
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

That fella is a legend!

MKredleaderOne Posted on 20/6 17:45
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Prime_Minister

You may gain some support if you could give hard evidence to back up your claims.

I guess you have none and are basing your claims on what you want (maybe including a few others but definitely not the majaority).

I'd be willing to change my views but without evidence to support your case or answers put to yourself it would never happen.

If you're convinced why not call an election and see by how big a margin you lose.

As I said previously, you are trying to force your own beliefs on others and have lost touch with reality.

I just hope that there are not too many Leeders of the Opposition standing against you. But there again there wouldn't need to be tactical voting in this election as even the Monster Raving Looney Party would probably gain more votes than you.

So come on, give us the evidence and answers.

Prime_Minister Posted on 21/6 12:14
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

How many Errea shops are world wide?? There is one in Italy!

How many Nike, Addidas, Puma, etc shops are there? never mind in England but worldwide.. ???

So that would make our shirts available to anyone who visits these stores.


End of!

jamier86 Posted on 21/6 12:23
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Get rid of errea its a rubbish make and the shirts are not that good. plus its annoying how you can only get boro shirts from the club shop when there are fans who dont live in middlesbrough to go to club shop

mowgli69 Posted on 21/6 12:39
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Obviously this thread is beginning to spiral out of control.....Prime minister puts a question as to lets get rid of errea thread and waits for our response.

At the end of the day...if you want rid of errea post on this thread. There's another one out there for you to extol the virtues of the Italian shirt maker obviously that is assuming you don't mind the fact that after one wash its usually been snagged.

I'm in, get rid.

Azedarac Posted on 21/6 12:52
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Errea not being sold in other shops isn't to the benefit of the fans. Because they are only sold throught the club shop, the price is set in stone by the club.

I'm speaking from experience at Derby, where we've had Errea, and a similar "closed shop" deal with the equally poor Joma. If you go to a high street sports retailer you can see shirts from other clubs but not your hometown club, which is frustrating to start with. What makes it worse is that all those Chelsea/Man Utd/Arsenal (and even Notts Forest) shirts are usually discounted. Because the shops are in competition they are keen on pricing. Only brand new designs are full price.

£5 or £10 isn't that big a deal on an adult shirt that is going to last a season or two. When kids are looking to get a kit with their birthday money, or when their granny decides to buy them a football shirt for Christmas, it's far easier and cheaper to get a non-local one from JJB. We all despair at seeing kids on the park with "glory hunter" shirts on, but it doesn't help if the home town shirt is harder to buy and/or more expensive.

MKredleaderOne Posted on 21/6 12:56
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Prime_Minister

How many Nike, Addidas, Puma, etc shops are there in BORO?

As you don't answer questions I'll tell you......none.

I guess you mean retailers, which is different and therefore somone else who wants a cut from the sale price.

I like ( and possibly others do - note I said possibly not definitely) the idea the profit is retained by the club for investment in the team/club.

It's simple those in charge believe that this is the best deal for this club.

I'm sure if you ever became Prime Minister (and it's a big IF) you would want to have best value for the country as a whole as if you promoted the sort of strategy you are currently you'd never get elected.

Prime_Minister Posted on 21/6 13:02
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

mowgli69 - Im not here to ask questions i just got asked why i wanted rid all the time by idiots who can not see that we need to speculate to accumulate to make our club bigger, the fans who are all for errea are thinking we are making loads of money from Errea when in fact if it was that good, like i have asked them to answer but they cant! If Errea is that good why dont Man U or anyone take advantage??

a simple GET RID message would do, as i know people from MFC read this site!

MKredleaderOne Posted on 21/6 13:09
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

mowgli69

"Prime minister puts a question as to lets get rid of errea thread and waits for our response."

You should have listened when you were at school!

"Official lets get rid of Errea thread" is a statement, not a question.

I'm beginning to wonder why I pay my taxes.

Azedarac Posted on 21/6 13:15
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

It's a title, not a statement, there's no finite verb.

Prime_Minister Posted on 21/6 17:33
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

MK - "Official lets get rid of Errea thread" is a statement, not a question. Its a subject actually!


"If we can get over a thousand surely Gibbo will take notice, if we make so much money from them why dont Man U use them!

Get Rid we are being sold short."

THIS IS A STATEMENT

Capybara Posted on 21/6 17:38
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

To be fair, whatever it is it's badly written and punctuated, borderline ambiguous, and factually incorrect.

Prime_Minister Posted on 21/6 17:44
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Capy - ERREA in or out???

Azedarac Posted on 21/6 17:47
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Merge Diadora and Errea to form Di-Errea.

Sorry.

10hazza Posted on 21/6 17:53
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Errea kits are getting better but i still want rid. Nike please, always make a descent kit.

jaimemoreno Posted on 22/6 12:11
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Serious question now...

I've never bought a shirt through our club website but I'm wondering does anyone know what the shipping fee's are for within the UK, within the EU and rest of the world?

Maybe the price for a shirt plus delivery to some of our new found korean and turkish fans might make them baulk?

I specialise in cost accounting and product management so I'd love to see the figures. I'm sure if Errea are in then there's a good reason behind it, must be a more financialy viable option.

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Boro_Babs Posted on 22/6 12:29
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

The only reason we have Errea is that they are the only company who will only sell in club shops so the club can make more profit

jaimemoreno Posted on 22/6 12:42
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

This is a presumption Boro_Babs, you're trying to state that as fact. We're all presuming this, probably rightly too but who knows?

People spend a lot of time doing financial forecasts (including me) to see what's the more financially viable solution. I'm sure Ford and Gibson have looked into every available avenue to see which will bring the most money into the club. If Errea bring in more cash to the club than others then I'm happy to stand by them, although I do believe it's very insular marketing.

I believe shipping on all boro shirts bought online should be at a very discounted rate no matter were they are going to in the world as I'm sure (presumption again) that the club are making a huge mark up on the shirt sales from the captain cook square store even when taking all overheads into account. That's the reason I'm asking if anyone knows the shipping rates, are the club making anything on these or are the fees charged for shipping cover what the club pays for shipping?

As you can see, I am firmly sat on the post.

redlion57 Posted on 22/6 12:59
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Personally think the quality of Errea is not as good as Adidas/Nike,if that means I've fell for the "hype" then so be it.I also think the stuff that's sold in the club shop is over priced absolute tat, amazed they make any money at all.

Nellbo Posted on 22/6 15:37
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

I've been saying this for years now ! so the home shirts have been ok, but thats it ! all the other training gear etc is crap ! take on board a giant like Adidas or the likes and we'll be offered quality traing kit etc.. Surly the profit for dia-errea cant be that much more that a major sports firm would offer. Seriously Boro fans would buy like mad if they had a wide range of quality boro kit. ( And dont even get me started on the doggy market 'designer' gear the club shop sell !)

Prime_Minister Posted on 22/6 17:11
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

GET RID!

We have Dong Gook at the Boro apparently he is bigger than Beckham over there, and we are losing out on Revenue cos people cant get shirts!! Wake up people and lets make a stand! And this new guy Tuncay! he is massive in Turkey! can you imagine all his fans not able to get Boro tops!! EMBARRASING!

b0r0lad Posted on 22/6 17:12
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

aren't they selling boro shirts on korea?

Prime_Minister Posted on 22/6 17:37
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

No you cant, well i tell i lie you can! My friend came back from Thailand and brought a top back.. fake as you like! all printed on!!

So that shows there is demand but because the club "think small" they are losing out on a very lucrative market both in Korea and now Turkey!

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Prime_Minister Posted on 25/6 17:49
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

I hear we now have a healthy following in Turkey?? How can we grow as a club if we cant reach out to this market, apart from the black market??

ERREA OUT!

jaimemoreno Posted on 25/6 17:54
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

I wish you'd just let this thread die a quiet death instead of ressurecting it once again... shameless posting

MKredleaderOne Posted on 25/6 17:55
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

I'd have thought your drum would have needed a new skin on it by now.

Stop flogging a dead horse.

The reason there's a delay on the announcement of the new kit is that we are still negotiating with that sports wear company just up the road from the Bridge pub on the way to the stadium from the railway station.

Now if you beleive that you might have something to whinge about.

whoyadoin Posted on 25/6 17:58
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Cheetah Sports hahahahaha wicked!

MKredleaderOne Posted on 25/6 18:04
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

At the end of the day would the Prime_Minister know the difference between the silhouette of a Puma and that of a Cheetah?

At least he'd think he'd got a label to wear.

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MFC_2004 Posted on 25/6 18:06
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Surely the only way to show the club we think the product is sh.t is not to buy it?

If fans don't turn up to the games, the club do something about it (reduced prices in cup), new signings etc...could be the way forward to get rid of this poor quality manufacturer.

MKredleaderOne Posted on 25/6 18:09
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

If we change I think we should go back to "Skill Leisure".

Now they were unique.

Mr Fordy, are you reading/listening?

Forget the big multinationals. Keep our identity.

huthhuthhuthhuth Posted on 27/6 9:47
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

get rid , we need something more professional , such as adidas, nike, puma etc

smoggyramone Posted on 27/6 11:11
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

The only other Premiership club to have had an Errea kit was Derby. This season for their return, they have got Adidas. I wonder if Derby had the same 'deal' as we supposedly have? If so why did Derby and Errea part company?????

blondie_dcfc Posted on 27/6 12:13
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Our deal with Errea ran out about 2 years ago and from then onwards we've had Joma. Our new Board of Directors decided to terminate this contract early and hence the reason we will have adidas as a kit supplier from now on.

HTH
blondie.dcfc
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tonton_zola_mokouku Posted on 27/6 12:23
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

When the Errea deal ran out we swapped to Joma. We were 2 years into a 5 year deal with them and the quality was so shoddy that the club cancelled the deal and signed a new one with Adidas.

I can see both sides of your arguement here. The club could be getting great financial rewards from Errea but everyone likes a nice shirt! I'm excited about having a mainstream supplier for the first time since we had Puma about 10 years a go. I'm one of the guys that likes a nice shirt and this will most likely be the first one I've bought for 5 seasons.

jaimemoreno Posted on 27/6 12:37
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

I'm sure there will be some financial implication that means Joma will be compensated for Derby terminating the contract early. Maybe Adidas are offering a nice incentive for Derby to cancel their 5 season deal before the 3rd season starts?

It would be great if the Boro announced a deal like this switching our allegiances to Adidas but I realy can't see it happening.

smoggyramone Posted on 27/6 12:38
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Other alternatives

Jako

Link: jako

MKredleaderOne Posted on 27/6 12:39
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

At the end of the day it doesn't matter who supplies your shirts, it still the same players who'll be wearing them.

Could you be challenging Sunderlands record this coming season?

smoggyramone Posted on 27/6 12:39
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

or Joma

Link: joma

smoggyramone Posted on 27/6 12:41
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

or Joma

Link: joma

smoggyramone Posted on 27/6 12:42
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

how about prostar

Link: prostar

Prime_Minister Posted on 27/6 12:43
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

MK - like tonton stated (i know its the team thats in the shirt counts) but he aint bought a Derby shirt for ages, now they have a respectable shirt maker he is gunna go out and buy one! What does this tell you?

jaimemoreno Posted on 27/6 12:44
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

MKDon you are right but it is nice to have a decent shirt than this current crock of rubbish we call ours, surely you agree that?

I know I sound like a broken record going on about the money side of things and that the books have to balance at the end of the day but I would love us to play in a decent shirt so when I go out and buy it, it looks good plus maybe markets the club in a new way and hopefull attract a few more fans abroad.

Sleaford_Socialite Posted on 27/6 12:45
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

"we need to speculate to accumulate to make our club bigger"

I can see the value in this, lets start big and knock the stadium down and build a new 100,00 seater one. I know that market forces indicate a 28,000 seater stadium would be suitable for a club our size but surely having 72,000 empty seats will show how ambitous we are. I'm sure we'll fill it after a few years when our new international fanbase starts to appreciate our ambition.

Sleaford_Socialite Posted on 27/6 12:47
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Does it make him shallow and vain?

jaimemoreno Posted on 27/6 12:51
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Sleaford-Dolite: I think we all know he meant speculate to accumulate in reason so there was no need to get pedantic about it.

Now if we wanted to get really pedantic I'm pretty sure we could do a man united and increase the capacity without having to build a new ground, just add a new upper tier.

Now I'm not one for silly arguments but you're starting to bring me down to your level, so if you don't mind, jog on!

Prime_Minister Posted on 27/6 13:00
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Cheers Jaime, some people just dont seem to want us to look like a proper established premiership club and a successful one at that (well in cups), instead we look like a Championship side that need money!

Sleaford_Socialite Posted on 27/6 13:03
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Dolite - Brilliant! What does it mean?

I wasn't being pedantic I was being silly. As is most of this thread.

"Now I'm not one for silly arguments but you're starting to bring me down to your level" Not sure what you mean by that.

"so if you don't mind, jog on!" This just makes you sound like a wannabee cockney hooligan.

Answer me this, why would thousands of retail outlets up and down the country with unsold boro shirts do our club any favours?

What exactly are the reasons to change the kit, you want to wear a trendier label? You think the club could make more money with addidas etc? You think a better kit brand would increase our fanbase?

jaimemoreno Posted on 27/6 13:17
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Dolite was a play on your name, a dolite is someone who is on the dole.

No offence but you didn't come across as just being silly, you came across as silly and pedantic, hence my comment about bringing me down to your level when I made a pedantic reply. Do you understand what I was getting at now or would you like me to draw you a diagram?

If you read any of my numerous posts you will have realised that apart from sounding like a broken record I have said that Fordy and Gibson will have done their maths and will have good reasons for sticking with errea and that I would only favour a move to a more popular kit supplier if there was no financial implications to the club.

I would favour a move to a bigger kit supplier as I feel Errea only being sold in our own club shops is a very insular marketing scheme, do you agree with me on that?

I would love us to have adidas as yes, they are better quality in errea, if this makes me vain then so be it.

As for the cockney hooligan comment, you having a giraffe ain't yeah guv'nor?

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Prime_Minister Posted on 27/6 13:23
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

"Answer me this, why would thousands of retail outlets up and down the country with unsold boro shirts do our club any favours?
"

So what about all the unsold Man U, Arsenal, Celtic, Rangers etc shirts!!

You really are an idiot!

jaimemoreno Posted on 27/6 13:26
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Mr Sleaford_Dolite: For your coneviance so you don't have to trawl through this thread for my replies please find two posts that typify exactly what my opinion is -

jaimemoreno Posted on 20/6 12:56 Email this Message | Reply

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I feel I need to say one or two more things...

Everyone in this thread is commenting on how we should either stick with or get rid of Errea, nobody here know's the numbers so how can we comment on these matters, maybe this 'small town' marketing ploy maybe the best choice for our club, who knows?

Personally I'd love to go abroad and see our tops in a foreign shop. When I was in Roma I went to the addidas store and the first shirt I seen was a Newcastle top, why shouldn't we market our shirts like that unless the figures don't add up?

At the end of the day I think most of us agree that Errea shirts aren't great quality and we'd love to have someone like addidas or nike making our kits but I for one, am quite happy to let Gibson and Ford make decisions on this. I can only see these two doing what's best for the club and will bring enough revenue into the club. Maybe this is insular thinking marketing wise but at the end of the day the figures have to add up.

jaimemoreno Posted on 22/6 12:42 Email this Message | Reply

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This is a presumption Boro_Babs, you're trying to state that as fact. We're all presuming this, probably rightly too but who knows?

People spend a lot of time doing financial forecasts (including me) to see what's the more financially viable solution. I'm sure Ford and Gibson have looked into every available avenue to see which will bring the most money into the club. If Errea bring in more cash to the club than others then I'm happy to stand by them, although I do believe it's very insular marketing.

I believe shipping on all boro shirts bought online should be at a very discounted rate no matter were they are going to in the world as I'm sure (presumption again) that the club are making a huge mark up on the shirt sales from the captain cook square store even when taking all overheads into account. That's the reason I'm asking if anyone knows the shipping rates, are the club making anything on these or are the fees charged for shipping cover what the club pays for shipping?

As you can see, I am firmly sat on the post.

Sleaford_Socialite Posted on 27/6 13:36
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Draw me a diagram

My post wasn't aimed at you but you chose to reply to me with your clever play on words.

Do you know how many kits we sell? I don't but I'm assuming it isn't a huge number, the money difference may not matter that much. I'm just sick of hearing that if stick a few thousand boro shirts up and down the country we'll sell them. How many Charlton shirts do they sell in Teesside Park?

What if the club gets Addidas but under the current regime of restricted outlets and no international sales from the website?

I'd be willing to bet, regardless of quality there'd be no threads desperate to get rid of Addidas, or talk of the club being insular or not marketing itself well enough.

I can't help but feel that 90% of the complaints against the current set up, mainly from the vociferous 'Errea Out Brigade' are quite simply from brand snobs who want to wear a companies sports top rather than wear an MFC football shirt.

Maybe I'm just getting old

Sleaford_Socialite Posted on 27/6 13:40
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

"So what about all the unsold Man U, Arsenal, Celtic, Rangers etc shirts!!

You really are an idiot!"

I presume you are on a wind up?






But








Okay, I'll bite a little bit.

Those clubs all have very large followings and international fanbases, we don't.

Sleaford_Socialite Posted on 27/6 13:47
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What financial forecasting do you go Jaime?























Note: I didn't put a rather childish jaimemoron.

MKredleaderOne Posted on 27/6 17:53
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Prime_Minister

"MK - like tonton stated (i know its the team thats in the shirt counts) but he aint bought a Derby shirt for ages, now they have a respectable shirt maker he is gunna go out and buy one! What does this tell you?"

Like you, he's more interested in labels than the team.

jaimemoreno

I'm not a "Don", BORO through thick and thin for 45 seasons now.

Sleaford_Socialite



and finally Prime_Minister, where is the Adidas shop in BORO?

I live in hope that one day you might just get around to giving an answer to the question that has been asked.

Oh, and shouldn't you have a new name now......?

Such as

Ex_Prime_Minister or Middle_East_Peace_Envoy

jaimemoreno Posted on 28/6 13:23
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Mr Socialite please free to call me a Moron, I'll be like your boyfriend and take it on the chin ;)

brand snob is a little harsh but if you had the choice of equally priced shirts made by adidas and errea i'm pretty sure you would choose adidas all day long. let's be honest they're superior quality than errea but let me stress (yet again) that I'd only prefer a switch if there is no detremental affect on the clubs finances.

Obviously if we have a lot of shirts left over then that it is going to have an impact on the clubs finances.


MKredleaderOne: The 'Don' comment was also a play on your name as in a mafiaso leader being the don and you being the leader, a play on words.

Mr Dolite again: I do flexed forecasting budgets comparing product a and b over a period of time who have variable, semi variable and none variable costs to see what will make more money for the company and is a sensible viable option... obviously taking any overheads into account ;)

Edit: FYI: I'm a management accountant

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Prime_Minister Posted on 28/6 13:24
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Ok "and finally Prime_Minister, where is the Adidas shop in BORO?
"
Answer - There isnt one
Thats the thing im saying!! you cant buy a Boro top outside of BORO!
Reply - How many Errea shops are there in the uk?
Answer - None
Question - How many Nike,Addidas, Puma etc shops are they??
Question - Are you really that old you dont know/realise there is a healthy fan base down south? Ok i know what your gunna say "but they can buy them online" some people like to try things on before they buy.
Surely someone of your age can understand not wanting to buy things online?

neanderthaltoon Posted on 28/6 13:39
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PM I know you want to get to 300 posts but come on, this is getting boring now, just let it die in peace.

to finalise this thread,

Your marketing department is small minded
Your club is small time
and your fans (like the people on here) have no ambition and are fickle.

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jaimemoreno Posted on 28/6 13:44
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Sorry if it takes me a while to reply on any of your comments my Sleaford_Dolite... I've got a job so I can only really reply on my lunch. If you are actually on the dole then I do apologise heh

CesurYurek Posted on 28/6 13:58
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Lets look at this simply.

Nearly every other club in the premiership has a defined shirt design, the details may change a bit but they are always along the same lines.

Liverpool are all red, Chelsea are all blue, Newcastle always have black and white stripes, Spurs are all white etc. Since Errea took over we have been a joke.

Sometimes we have a white band, sometimes we have white stripes on the kit, sometimes its all red, sometimes we have white arms. Etc And then the red changes every season, sometimes its nearly dayglow sometimes is nearly crimson. There is no defined Middlesbrough style and this is due to erreas pathetic designs, shoddy manufacturing.

The White band is the most popular thing Boro have done off field since the building of the riverside, but it has been dropped after 3 seasons as Errea were to inept to work within the confines of red with a white stripe.

Addidas, Puma, Nike, Reebok etc have FAR Suprior designers and we will end up with a clone kit of Chelsea, Arsenal etc but due to the superior designers we could keep the white band and therefore still have our unique brand and style which is different to the other teams that share the same base design.

And a striped shirt will sell far more than a non striped shirt making boro more money.

Capybara Posted on 28/6 14:02
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'Sometimes we have a white band, sometimes we have white stripes on the kit, sometimes its all red, sometimes we have white arms. Etc And then the red changes every season, sometimes its nearly dayglow sometimes is nearly crimson. There is no defined Middlesbrough style and this is due to erreas pathetic designs, shoddy manufacturing.'

I have been watching Middlesbrough since 1964 and that has always been the case, irrespective of manufacturer. Next.

Sleaford_Socialite Posted on 28/6 14:02
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Your right Jaime, I probably would choose the Addidas one. Although I would also say, I choose that shirt because I'd rather wear Addidas/Nike etc, not some boIIocks about quality, marketing, no. of shops I can buy it in, mythical thousands of supporters down south and abroad gagging to buy our shirts, etc. etc.

I'm of the same opinion as you really, why not offer your/your firms expertise, to look into all the possibilities.
You'd think the most money/profit per shirt could be achieved by not having a 'brand' of shirts and getting some sweat shop in China to knock them out for 50p a pop and selling them only from club controlled outlets.

Prime_Minister.
Seriously, without your 'funny' quips. How many Middlesbrough fans do you think there are within the UK, Europe (including Turkey) and then the rest of the world, who want to buy shirts and can't get them online, or from the club shops?

Sleaford_Socialite Posted on 28/6 14:05
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I'm in the RAF. I'm an aircraft Airframe/Propulsion engineer.

Prime_Minister Posted on 28/6 17:44
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Sleaford_Socialite - Im gunna answer your question!

"How many Middlesbrough fans do you think there are within the UK, Europe (including Turkey) and then the rest of the world, who want to buy shirts and can't get them online, or from the club shops?"

Its hard to say how many people support the boro outside of Middlesbrough but when i moved down to London a while back i was just sat reading my Sun newspaper on the tube when i noticed a guy sat opposite me reading "MSS" i will let you know what it stands for as you wont have a clue, its Middlesbrough Southern Supporters Magazine, i quizzed him about it as i was really surprised and he said he was born in Middlesbrough but lived down south from a young age, he said there is a large following down there! So if they have gone to the trouble to publish a magazine down there we must be attracting a good few numbers would you not say?? or do you think i would make this up??

I also was at Magaluf last year and low and behold what do i find?? A Boro Bar, oh yes a pub in another country dedicated to the Boro! and it was packed with people from all over the world! Its calld the Green Parrott..

One of my good friends just came back from Thailand and guess what?? you never guess?? There is a Boro Bar there also!!

So Sleaford_Socialite our following i guess is unknown! God knows how many supporters we have! i bet we got new ones since Tuncay and Dong Gook got on board!!

So now have i answered your question? you are like alot on this board who seem to think everyone who supports the Boro, Lives in Boro!

I know you wont admit it but MIDDLESBROUGH FOOTBALL CLUB is MASSIVE!

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the_broken_fridge Posted on 28/6 17:47
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where is Sleaford anyway? Is it part of Stockton? FFS.

smoggyramone Posted on 28/6 17:50
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Bloody Crabs!

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MKredleaderOne Posted on 28/6 18:08
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Prime_Minister

Wrong again.

MSS stands for Middlsbrough Supporters South.

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Link: Fact

ElvisRamone Posted on 28/6 18:26
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'PM I know you want to get to 300 posts but come on, this is getting boring now, just let it die in peace.

to finalise this thread,

Your marketing department is small minded
Your club is small time
and your fans (like the people on here) have no ambition and are fickle.'

POT THIS IS KETTLE, OVER.

neanderthaltoon Posted on 28/6 20:29
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

"Prime_Minister
Wrong again.
MSS stands for Middlsbrough Supporters South."

My friend. you must be having a bad day today that you looking like a complete **** again....

ElvisRamone I don't want to get into a discussion with you over the blackness of our kettle's All i will say is that i live and work in boro so i see first hand how the boro fans are.

ElvisRamone Posted on 28/6 22:19
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Typical jawdee. You can't find a way to enter the conversation/debate other than to give it the 'big we are, who the fook are you' bit. And you call us obsessed.

Prime_Minister Posted on 29/6 12:07
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

MK - Sorry for getting the name of the MSS Magazine wrong its been over 4 years now since i saw the fella on the tube!

To pick up on that fault just shows how desperate you are to get one over on me!

Can you just not say that im right and your wrong? regarding there is actually a big support for Boro outside of Teesside?

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Prime_Minister Posted on 29/6 12:24
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Think this thread has gone a bit off track!

ERREA OUT

jaimemoreno Posted on 29/6 13:40
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Sleaford Social - 'Your right Jaime, I probably would choose the Addidas one. Although I would also say, I choose that shirt because I'd rather wear Addidas/Nike etc, not some boIIocks about quality'

Pffft so are you saying that Adidas etc aren't as good quality as errea or have I read that wrong?

Once again if the finances match up I'd have errea out in a shot.

boyfromtheboro Posted on 29/6 16:27
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Errea out!

bora_beer_bora Posted on 29/6 16:55
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ERREA OUT!!

BoroMutt Posted on 29/6 16:57
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Boo hoo I want a tick on my shirt boo hoo

Prime_Minister Posted on 29/6 17:08
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BoroMutt - You are an Idiot, read the whole thread to know why i want ERREA OUT!

Paulinho Posted on 29/6 17:58
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Prime Minister, it's inverted snobbery ignore him. Because he has an inability to deal with more subtle issues, he resort to sarcasm and name calling.

I am like you, I demand that my football club, excel at all levels.

The team kit and merchandising are not as important as results, obviously, but the two are not mutually exclusive.

I think the fact that we still have Errea shows us to be a small-minded little club afraid to take the step to the next commercial and marketing level.

As I've said many times before, the wrong people are decision makers.

Does anyone, for example, know how much Middlesbrough team kit sales actually bring into the club in profit?

Is it in the thousands, hundreds of thousands or millions?

Let's say we sell 20,000 shirts at a profit of £30 a shirt, that's £600k profit. If we were to change supplier and make £20 per shirt we would have to sell 30,000.

That's not taking into consideration the improved merchandising - t-shirts, tracksuits, international brand development, sales outside the UK etc.

MKredleaderOne Posted on 2/7 7:24
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Paulinho

Do you really think Steve Gibson can't do simple maths.

Of course he can, that's why we use Errea. Most BORO fans that live away from the area come back for matches/have family in the area etc and get their shirts that way.

Prime_Minister

"To pick up on that fault just shows how desperate you are to get one over on me!"

I wasn't trying to get one over on you, simply pointing out your error. Factually it was incorrect. Most fo your statements can't be backed up with evidence. I just chose an easy one to show you don't get your facts right.

I've seen th quality of Adidas etc and they seem to use material simialr to ours and in some case thinner. They have loose threads. As for clicking, I'm sure no matter who manufacture a shirt there are some on here could snag one in under five minutes. I've never had a problem with them going wrong in the wash, perhaps that's because I read the instructions before washing them.

Just accept the fact we will use Errea as long as Steve Gibson say's we will.

ElvisRamone Posted on 2/7 7:35
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'Most BORO fans that live away from the area come back for matches/have family in the area etc and get their shirts that way.'

You're dead right. I tried to order one to a BFPO address and it wouldn't work. E-mailed the club shop 4 months ago and I'm still waiting for a reply. It's pain in the @rse to have to get someone to buy one then have to get it posted abroad. 2000 miles to buy a couple of shirts for the kids?

br14 Posted on 2/7 7:43
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I live in Canada but buy my shirts at the club shop when I'm over in the UK.

I have to say I cant remember seeing a Bolton top or Charlton top for sale in the Boro.

Gibson is just being realistic. Retailers are not going to spend good money bringing in shirts that will only sell to a handful of customers.

And if you're going to buy a shirt in Teesside then they may as well restrict purchases to the club shop and get the full profit.

My guess is the club gets a bigger percentage of the sale price on Errea products than they would get with Nike or Adidas.

Prime_Minister Posted on 2/7 12:46
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Yes men i agree you might as well buy your top from MFC if you live in Middlesbrough or have family in Middlesbrough so you can make the trip easily! but what about the fans who have never ever been to middlesbrough? how are they gunna get the chance to buy a shirt from?

Before you say it! The Internet! So what if they live in Turkey and dont have credit cards? or they do and not the type accepted by MFC?

Im being realistic here...

Mista_Smith Posted on 2/7 12:59
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ERREA OUT - How can we move on as a club if we are being over taken by not only Derby but bloody Hartlepool!

Come on guys! Its not as good as you like to think it is!

Prime_Minister Posted on 2/7 13:49
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Exactly - I cant understand people not wanting rid of Errea it doesnt make any sense at all!

like i have said all along if they are that good why are the big clubs not seeing this and looking to get on board of our great deal! The reason they dont is because it would make there product non accessable to fans all over the world!

I know we arent as big as Man U, Liverpool etc but they had to start somewhere! why cant we grow?? 10 years ago Gibson had a vision to put us with the Elite with the signings of Ravanelli etc, unfortunatly it failed (due to the FA) but he still had a dream.. and so do i!

Lets think BIG surely that is the way forward!

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gashy Posted on 2/7 14:29
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yeah i agree

GIPPIN Posted on 2/7 15:13
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Get Rid!!!!

Pope_Gregory_IX Posted on 2/7 15:22
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Errea out

johngittens Posted on 2/7 15:24
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agree get rid errea is crap get in someone like nike,adidas,puma. might not happen though as gibson has shares in errea i heard

jaimemoreno Posted on 2/7 16:08
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Why don't we all chip together and buy all currently available documents from companies house, most companies list their major shareholders. It would be a turn up for the books if Gibbo's name did pop up as a major shareholder heh.

Link: Companies House

Prime_Minister Posted on 2/7 17:46
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I cant see him using his real name Jaime that would be a bit silly on Gibbo's part!!

shortandbald Posted on 2/7 17:54
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Why would having the shares in his own name be a bit silly? that suggests he would have something to hide, and I doubt very much there would be anything illegal about owning shares in a company that you have dealings with. Personally I very much doubt that Gibbo does have any shares in them, They were the best option available at the time when he became chairman. Times have changed and the BIG names (Nike, Adidas etc) pay the clubs mega money to supply the shirts. THe club doesn't get all the profit from shirt sales but they do get a BIG lump of money from the manufacturers, which I assume would outweigh the profits on sales from outlets other than the club shop.

Prime_Minister Posted on 2/7 18:04
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

If he wants to keep it secret he would use an alias thats all im saying, but if he does have shares why hide it? I mean if he came out today and said he has a 35% stake it would make us all like Errea... true?

shortandbald Posted on 2/7 18:09
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

No if He did have a share in Errea it would not make us all suddenly like them. All I am saying is that it would not be silly to use an alias unless there was something to hide, which I doubt there would be.

As you could hopefullt get from the second part of my post I don't like the Errea kit either and think that while it may have been the bestr deal all those year ago I think it is not nesessaily the best deal now, with the money that kit manufacturers throw around when signing these deals these days. But I will always buy a top every season regardless if we stay with errea or move.

whoyadoin Posted on 2/7 18:14
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So Gibson has got nothing to do with Errea

Comments like this from Boro fans

"Boro are a local team not a national one"

"Boro have to have limited ambition"

hmm I think a lot of people on this board miss the dark days..... well fcuk off to Scarborough!

Prime_Minister Posted on 3/7 12:11
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

whoyadoin - your spot on mate, people on here dont like to admit those dark days are very much gone.

10-20 years ago no one had really heard of boro in england, now everyone knows who we are and where we are also now we are known throughout the world!!!

COME ON BORO - ERREA OUT

jaimemoreno Posted on 3/7 12:51
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

‘No if He did have a share in Errea it would not make us all suddenly like them. All I am saying is that it would not be silly to use an alias unless there was something to hide, which I doubt there would be.’

Stan Kroenke has shares in Arsenal which aren’t listed under his name, they were bought by a third party on his behalf, if he ever wants to increase his stake even further in Arsenal he would just have those transferred over to his name.

I'm going to send an email to the club FAO: Marketing Dept. and see if they can offer any insight into this debate.

jaimemoreno Posted on 3/7 13:36
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Just sent the below email to the club...

Hi Craig,

Sorry if this email does not apply to you but I have asked for a contact in Middlesbrough Football Club who might be able to answer a few questions and close a debate that is currently on the FMTTM.COM fanzine forum. When I called the club I was supplied with your email address, if this email does not apply to you I would appreciate it if you could forward it on to the relevant person/department.


The debate currently taking place is in regards to why Errea are our current kit suppliers. I am of the opinion that the club must be making an increased profit through the insular sales scheme of Errea compared to the likes of Adidas, Nike and Puma who will want to take an increased cut in any profits. If the club is making more money through this scheme of marketing then it is a very good thing in my opinion.


I don’t need any figures backing up any points made as I am sure the club would like to keep this confidential, but I am wondering if you could answer the following questions and put an insightful end to this debate?


• Hypothetically, does the club make more net profit (after overheads are taken into account) from the in-house sales of our current kit supplier Errea than they would if the kits were supplied by the likes of Adidas, Nike and Puma?

• Does the club feel it loses out on a potentially lucrative market nationwide and abroad as the shirts are only available through the MFC retail stores in Middlesbrough and online through the clubs official website, and/or does the club feel that the loss is immaterial compared to any increased profits that the club may receive through the sale of Errea kits in it’s own club stores if the club do make a greater net profit through Errea kit sales?


I look forward to your response with anticipation and again stress that if this email does relate to you can you please forward it on to the relevant person/department. Would it be cheeky of me to ask you to carbon copy me to any email so I know this issue is being looked into? I appreciate that you are probably extremely busy but this would put an end to a tiresome debate and quash any silly arguments like Mr Gibson ‘has shares in the Errea‘

Kind Regards,

Maccarone_Is_Me Posted on 3/7 14:51
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I can see that e mail getting put into file B1n

MKredleaderOne Posted on 3/7 17:21
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Answer

Thank you for your e-mail.

Errea currently povide the best deal for the club in terms finacial return. It also ensures that we retain control of design and quality. We also believe that this reduces the risk that our replica kits are not fakes made by others which would reduce our income and that of our suppliers.

We constantly review all our commercial activities and strive to give value for money whilst retaining top quality products/merchandise.

I hope this answers your queries and that you will continue in supporting our decision. I would remind you this way all profits help fund the purchase of new players. I'm sure you will agree that this coming season will be exciting with the addition of players already signed and those we hope will sign in the near future.

PS if you don't like it go to JJB (or similar outlet) and contribute to the profits of others.

jamier86 Posted on 3/7 17:55
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GET RID

jaimemoreno Posted on 3/7 19:04
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Maccarone_is_me: you'll be surprised at how often you do actually get replies from emails like these, I know a lad the other day who sent an email to Tottenham about the 16M they spent on Bent and asked them to justify if this was value for money and if this was paving te way for them to sell Berbatov and he got an honest sensible reply.

Ahhh MKtheDon, your cynicism never fails to amuse me. I'd be quite happy with a reply off the club like that to be quite honest with you. That's all I want to hear, hat Errea do offer the club he best deal in terms of financial return. Surely that would also make you happy too?

neanderthaltoon Posted on 3/7 21:49
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Jamie your small mined (typical boro fan) attitude has tickled me.

Been happy to received a message that will probably be full of s*** telling you that errea is the best, well I am on the floor laughing again, you much be a very young and naive kid.

PM very surprised to see this tread get over the 300 mark, Guess you must have more that one logging name and sat arguing with yourself like a sad person you must be.

OUT with ERREA
OUT with SOUTHGATE
OUT with YAK
OUT with GIBBO
OUT with the BORO........ UP THE TOON.....

MKredleaderOne Posted on 4/7 7:28
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

jaimemoreno

That's the point, the club have come out and said this is the best deal for this club previously.

Problem is, there are some on here who:-

do not believe it

do not want to believe it

only want big named brands

etc. etc

Prime_Minister Posted on 4/7 12:04
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

MK - Do you have shares in ERREA also??

In your points you missed one out

some fans want to be able to see our product sold throughout the country and also the world, not only one shop!!

neanderthaltoon Posted on 4/7 12:43
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

-------------------------------------------------
MK - Do you have shares in ERREA also??
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PM - He probably is the Managing Director (or regional Sales Director) for ERREA in the north east.

Definitely cupping gibbo.....

MKredleaderOne Posted on 4/7 13:20
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Prime_Minister

"some fans want to be able to see our product sold throughout the country and also the world, not only one shop!!"

Has no one told you, they are available in two stores, mail order and via the web?

Go ahead companies such as "Amazon" only sell via the internet, just shows we are leading the way for football clubs.

Also, would you really like the club to lose money by selling through third parties and reduce the money available for transfers?

(Shakes head in disbelief as you're probably going to say yes just so we sell a couple of hundred shirts in stores outside of Middlesbrough)

neanderthaltoon

Life must be boring on TOTT, a bit like watching the skunks, I see BFS is still going for the big time getting in has beens, frightenend of spending the rumoured £50m he's got at his disposal is he? or is it earmarked for other things?

But in answer to your question, no I'm not linked to ERREA in anyway other than buying their products and to date never had a problem with the build quality.

I'm happy enough with the club getting approx £25 profit from each shirt I buy.

I'd rather that than the likes of JJB getting £20 and the likes of Adidas £10 (approx figures).


You both need to remember the number of retail outlets that were embroiled in the "cartel" for price fixing and ripping off fans and the potential claims they have against them.

Prime_Minister Posted on 5/7 13:01
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

MK - You make me wanna whack my head off a wall|

"Has no one told you, they are available in two stores, mail order and via the web?
"

have you not been taking notice?

ERREA OUT

Mista_Smith Posted on 5/7 13:14
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

I totally agree with the PM, I just cant belive the people on here that dont agree..

Everyone knows Errea is small time! if we make 25 quid from each shirt sold, how much does Errea get? barely a tenner! I dont know whats worse MFC for working with these amatures or Errea for also being small time!

WAKE UP PEOPLE - ERREA OUT

MKredleaderOne Posted on 5/7 13:25
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Prime_Minister

Read what you had type!

"some fans want to be able to see our product sold throughout the country and also the world, not only one shop!!"

Get real, you're on a lost cause, now just sit down , relax and accept the fact we are sticking with ERREA.

The shirts are already manufactured with our badge on them just awaiting the new sponsors logo to be applied before being shipped across Europe from Rumania.

Prime_Minister Posted on 5/7 13:33
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Unfortunatly your right! We are gunna sit back and make do with Errea, i thought alot of fans felt the same but it doesnt seem to be the case...

You dont get anything done by not asking, so it seems the Boro public have opted for second best.. I will be purchasing the new top (only if its any good) because i buy the Badge not the make, its the reasons behined why we use such a crap maker that i cant understand!

Well it just seems to me we have no ambition in the club and no ambition out the club! I just hope we dont get left behined the likes of Derby, Fulham etc who we are a more established club than!

SHAME....... STILL ERREA OUT THOUGH

At least you will get your ERREA bonus... Done Well

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ElvisRamone Posted on 5/7 13:48
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Agree with what PM say.
When there are better and bigger manufacturers offering deals where clubs retain the profits of shirt sales, it beggars belief why there is no competition. Has no other maker offered us a deal? If not I find it very strange bearing in mind we've had Errea for over a decade, and had many high-profile games. It only can be that the club has rejected them.
But again, the argument that Errea are the only option is a nonsense IMO. The Umbro Hearts deal showed that.

Prime_Minister Posted on 5/7 19:04
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Done well Elvis glad to hear someone who actually wants to see us improve off the field not just on it!

Anyone else want Errea out??

Tell you what would be good, why dont Boro just make there own?? then we can have 100% of the profits??

Kev40 Posted on 5/7 19:20
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Keep Errea, as Steve Gibson has always stated all money through sale of shirts through club shops/online goes back into the club. If we go with nike, addidas or other major suppliers of replica kit,they want it to be sold through any sports outlet in doing so MFC would not get any profits from those sales.

ElvisRamone Posted on 5/7 19:32
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Ok have a read of this.

If you cant be bothered, I'll post the salient points

'A MORE straightforward day at Tynecastle Park yesterday saw Hearts announce a new shirt sponsorship deal with Umbro which is expected to net the club £2 million over two years.

The announcement reunites Hearts with Umbro, the firm which produced the club's strips between 1975 and 1986. Simon Marsh, the head of marketing at Umbro, admitted the increased profile of Hearts had attracted the company while director Sergejus Fedotovas said it proved the ambitions of the club's owners and the work being done behind the scenes.

The deal has been in gestation for eight months and a new line in home and away strips will be launched in the summer. For the first time the club have secured rights to distribute their own merchandise through official Hearts outlets.'

Link: link

Prime_Minister Posted on 5/7 21:16
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

You stumped them there Elvis, people just dont like to admit that the club needs to change direction, its not about being Nike or Addidas its about what we as a club look to acheive.

If someone asked you how would you like to see Boro in 5-10 years what would you like to see happen?

Would you like to think you can walk into any sport shop in the country and see a Boro shirt?

I know i would, i wouldnt like to think we where still in the same position.

ERREA OUT

MKredleaderOne Posted on 6/7 7:22
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Prime_Minister

"Tell you what would be good, why dont Boro just make there own?? then we can have 100% of the profits??"

You're a newcomer then.

Skil Leisure made our shirts (Heritage Hampers style) whn no othe company wanted to know us in the mid to late 80's. Skilll Leisure was (I think) a brand name dreamt up by Mr Fordy who bought the material and factory to make our own. We then moved to Admiral (because of links with Lennie Lawrence - he used them when at Charlton).

We currently get a close to 100% of the profits that you probably can, after cost of material, labour, transport etc.

ERREA does give us an identity, no other Premier league club has a shirt like ours.

For those who go on about our identity needs the white band, if we go back to the short period in the 70's when we had one, it was front and back, ot just the front like last year.

Let's really go back to a succesful period and have a design based on the early 50's.

ElvisRamone Posted on 6/7 7:31
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Mkredleaderone - not being funny mate, but you're continually trying to force your point. I think you're going to have to accept that peoples opinions differ from yours and leave it at that. The general consensus of this thread is that Errea have had their run, most would prefer a change and a more mainstream supplier would be preferred.
By the way what are your thoughts on the deal Hearts did with Umbro? If we got a similar deal would you be happy with that???

Prime_Minister Posted on 6/7 12:03
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

MK - ERREA give us identity??? They are taking away the white band!! that is our identity

MKredleaderOne Posted on 6/7 12:30
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

ElvisRamone

I'm not forcing my point. Merely pointing out the facts. The only opinion that really counts is that of Steve Gibson, he owns the club, he decides what is financially the best deal for the club.

As for the Hearts deal, I don't know all the details (and I guess you don't either, only what you've read) same as i don't know the details of the BORO/ERREA deal. Obviously someone in control at Hearts believes that's the best available deal to for them. But quite frankly I'm not interested in them or their deals. I am, however, happy to believe that Steve Gibson knows what is best for this club and will be until he decides he had enough.

I note Prime_Minister has not said anything about the comments Rob made on the subject after interviewing Steve Gibson some time ago. But there again it wouldn't support what he's saying on this subject.

Prime_Minister

The white band is not our identity, it is something had now and again.

Look back over the years and you'll realise our identity is Red Shirt/White shorts(with red stripe down the sides).

Have a look at what Rob heard fron Steve Gibson. I'm sure if he thought we'd make more from a deal with one of the big manufacturers we'd have done it some time ago.

Link: Facts?

Prime_Minister Posted on 6/7 12:48
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

MK - If you read what i said1 that was 10 years ago! alot has happened in that time! we are alot bigger now!

Mista_Smith Posted on 6/7 17:23
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

The white band is our Identity! Long may it continue!

rob_fmttm Posted on 6/7 18:12
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

As I stated on another thread yesterday I once questioned Steve Gibson about the commercial side of the club - he was absolutely adamant that Errea is the best deal for the club. I'm sure he tests the water every season - why wouldn't he? He is sure that Errea offering us a deal where we can just sell exclusively in our own shops means we earn a far far bigger cut.

Obviously he has done the sums and maintains that yes we sell a lot more if we had an international shirt deal but maintains that the overall return would be far less.

Graham Fordy has said before that if the club eventually became too big then they would have to think again. But Steve Gibson bases his strategy on the Boro Nation. We're a small town, we have small crowds. We are owned by one fan born locally. Yet we compete in the big league - we have held our own in the big league for a decade. In that time "big city" clubs like Leeds and Sheff Wed have disappeared down the hill.

Gibson must be doing something right.

Surely we should be proud that our club is not some big corporate monster. I've got no reason to defend the commercial side of the club - but Steve Gibson appears absolutely certain that the Errea deal is a means to continue to compete "out of our league."

You know that old adage about all the money we spend going back into the club - well, tell me another Premier club you can say that about?

Prime_Minister Posted on 7/7 0:27
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

"You know that old adage about all the money we spend going back into the club - well, tell me another Premier club you can say that about?"

Good question Rob but doesnt every club in the Premier League put the money back into the club? you seen earlier Hearts just got a 2 million pound shirt deal wont that be used to bring in new players or used somewhere to help the club?

If our club is so ship shape and runs itself will we be spending over 30 million pounds next year from the TV revenue? (dont want to jinx it but cant see us going down)

MKredleaderOne Posted on 7/7 9:44
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Prime_Minister

"Good question Rob but doesnt every club in the Premier League put the money back into the club?"

Answer - NO

Many clubs have shareholders dividends to pay plus Directors, we are lucky in that we have Steve Gibson who doesn't take money out.

"If our club is so ship shape and runs itself will we be spending over 30 million pounds next year from the TV revenue?"

Answer - Probably not.

Reason being we don't raise enough revenue through the gate etc and need some of the cash to pay for wages and running the club, even then I guess Steve Gibson digs deep to fund us on our lack of income. Remember a few months ago when some on here were slamming the club for not reducing prices? That would have left us with an even bigger shortfall in funds, either that or we just don't buy players and pay the wages that many demand. We also have too many "fans" who would rather go and watch the game on tv in some pub.

No doubt very soon some will be saying we should pay "Arnie" what ever he wants to stay. Again that would be bad business, we have limits, like it or not. Would you want us to follow in the steps of Scarborough?

I guess not.

Winston_Spangler Posted on 7/7 11:05
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

If you don't build the field, you'll never know if your dead dad's gonna turn up at the end to have a kick about. Give a decent firm a try and then if it doesn't work out we can go crawling back to Errea and give their shares a further boost.

ElvisRamone Posted on 7/7 11:08
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

'We also have too many "fans" who would rather go and watch the game on tv in some pub.'

Some people are low waged, and have to factor in the price of a ticket(s) to see the Boro against paying bills etc. You might be very comfortably well off, but I couldn't really afford to take me and my two kids every other week. I took the wife a few years back and it cost me £70 then.
It's a lot cheaper to watch it elsewhere and that's a sad indictment of Sky managed football today.

MKredleaderOne Posted on 7/7 12:59
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Elvis

Choices.

We all have them to make.

I choose to go, I chose not to have kids/wife.

You spend yours the way you want and I'll spend mine my way.

As a matter of interest, did you go to Cardiff/Eindhoven?

But back to the original discussion. Steve Gibson chooses to use ERREA for reasons known to him as it's his choice and he believes it's in BORO's best interests.

Prime_Minister Posted on 8/7 18:56
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

MK - You put up a good fight, Errea should give you a bonus..

Errea is right for us thats all i hear?? We need to raise the profile of our club and be seen as what we are.. not a struggling Championship side who need all the money we can get.. Empty seats at the Riverside is a problem and a good run and good performances will bring back the crowds.. You say thats why we didnt put ticket prices down because we need all the money again... Its exactly like the Errea thing, you have to speculate to accumalate.. If we reduced tickets we could have had a record season ticket sale, think about it!

MKredleaderOne Posted on 9/7 7:29
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Record Season Ticket sales if we reduce prices.

How are we going to do that?

Fans that want season tickets get them, I doubt that by reducing prices we'd sell many more and not enough to cover the reduction in income.

If we sell 20k @ £390 we get £7.8m, to get the same money we'd have to sell 26k @£300.

That would reduce the potential income available for say 6 big games by (6x6,000x34) £1.224m, now is that good business? I'd say not. Why not accept that your business skill is not that good and leave it to those that have some sense.

I've thought about it, have you? I doubt it very much.

ElvisRamone Posted on 9/7 8:20
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

MKredleaderone - Missed both Cardiff and Eindhoven due to work commitments. Tried to get to Cardiff but the Secretary of State for Defence decided I was needed elsewhere. Was no point trying for Eindhoven.

No point in continuing this thread, it's just turning into an argument between you and PM.

--- Post edited by ElvisRamone on 9/7 8:22 ---

Prime_Minister Posted on 9/7 8:37
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Yeah you can tell your a business man alright, wanting to squeeze every bit of money out of the fans, you might be able to afford it but there is real holgate fans who struggle!

We have just received (or going to) over 30 million from SKY, all im saying is give a little back to the people that love the club!

Prime_Minister Posted on 9/7 8:42
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Oh forgot sorry!

ERREA OUT

jaimemoreno Posted on 9/7 12:07
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Received a response today from the club, Leanne Birtwistle on behalf of Graham Fordy

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David



This is a question I have answered many times and some fans have transferred my answers straight onto Fly Me To The Moon's site.



Like all products you have to decide exactly what your market place is. Breweries have the world i.e. Budweiser, European i.e. Stella, National i.e. Tetley Bitter and Regional McEwans. You then base your strategy on where the product will sell. Some football clubs have a strong support throughout the world, some throughout Europe, others in their own country i.e. national and others are very regional. This tends to be based on the success the clubs have had over the years. Success tends to bring TV appearances therefore the building of brand loyalty across the continents.



It is our desire to establish the club as a national brand but with an average 8 appearances on Sky per season, compared to other clubs 20 plus, it is difficult. It is when you appear on live games you attract fans from Aberdeen to Bristol and therefore brand loyalty develops and the desire for club apparel grows. Market research shows that 95% of Boro fans live within 50 miles of the Riverside, 75% live within 25 miles of the Stadium. This is not club research but independent research carried out by the Premier League in blind questionnaires. We do very well when individuals are asked which company sponsors which shirt, it is when they are asked which team or teams do you support outside our region, the answers do not prove we have attained a national fan base.



I discuss our kit deal with Errea and other companies on an annual basis. We have a rolling annual contract with Errea. Errea understand our philosophy and are prepared to give us sole distribution rights. Other brands are not. Brands such as Nike and Adidas have contractual agreements with national sports retailers to sell them the kits they produce. If we were to commence trading with such a brand our shirts would be made available to these national chains however this would not give our shirts national distribution because in reality no-one in Birmingham, Manchester, London or Glasgow are interested in purchasing Boro Kit. These companies would take our shirt and put in stores from say York to maybe Newcastle where our main supporter base is. This would mean many of our replicas would be sold through these outlets with a large share of the proceeds going into their coffers. We at MFC must, to be able to meet fans demands for success, maximise our income streams. In reality we have an average crowd of 28,000 against some bigger clubs 40 – 72,000. We appear live on TV 8 times for a fee of £300,000 per game against clubs who appear 16-24 time at £300,000. Yet we are expected to match wages and transfer fees to bring top class players to the club. Football is not played on a level business structure and every club must maximise its income in its own best interest. This year Umbro agreed to proceed as we wished to trade but their terms and conditions did in no way match our present ones. Fans tend to criticise Errea because they are not a high street brand i.e. they do not produce leisurewear for the open market. I can tell you though they are the third largest producer of football kits in Europe and in fact are the number one supplier of kits in Europe to non-professional teams. The team have never had any problems with the team apparel and our returns from retail sales are less than the national average for the retail market of 2.4%. If you speak as I do to people in similar positions to myself at other clubs the problems they have with shirt supply and quality from some of what the fans believe are better brands are horrific. Two things of prime importance to MFC from any kit arrangement.



The kit is fit for the purpose, to play and train for football matches and is delivered on agreed dates.
That the deal allows Middlesbrough sole distribution rights to allow us to maximise our income to build the team we all desire.


It has been suggested that we the Club should wholesale kits to sports shops in other areas. Under European legislation you are not allowed to pick and choose who can sell it as this is described as restrictive practise. It has to be sole supply like M and S or allow anyone to buy and retail. This would severely affect our income streams.



At some point due to success on the field of play I would like to see our shirts on sale across Europe but first of all we have got to amass the income to achieve our goal. With more and more fans watching the games on TV instead of on a seat at the Riverside this task becomes even more difficult.



Here's to a great 2007/08 season.



Kind Regards



Graham

jaimemoreno Posted on 9/7 12:10
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Sorry for the double post but here's my reply to the email I received. Hopefully I'll get another response

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Leanne/Graham,



Thank you for your reply, I wasn’t too sure if I would get a reply or if this email would be put straight to junk. I feel your response was written previously to my email and has been tweaked and personalised for my benefit. I have shared this email with a few members of staff in my office which has opened another debate. I believe my colleague ***** ***** is sending you an email in response.



I think a lot of fans believe that we are tied down to a kit deal over a couple of years that may have hypothetically benefited the club 2 years ago which no longer benefits us now as opposed to this rolling contract you have mentioned we have with Errea. I think this has created some animosity between the fans and the current kit supplier, although I am pretty sure that there is some brand snobbery taking place too.



I can understand your theories behind regionalised marketing of the clubs shirt when an independent survey suggests that a large portion of the fan base is within a 50 mile radius of the Riverside, but I find it hard to digest that 95% of fans are actually based within this radius when you take into account that we have a massive fan base in London… maybe someone at the Premier League should be having a word with their chief statistician?



I would be thankful if you can answer some more questions that your response has provoked.



Can you please clarify that the club does actually have increased income through the sales of Errea kits as opposed to other brands as your email does imply this but there is no definitive answer? A ‘yes’ or ‘no’ answer will suffice.



Does the club offer shipping outside of the UK on the clubs apparel to satisfy any fan base we have increased and/or created in the likes of Korea or Turkey with the signings of Sanli Tuncay and Lee-Dong Gook? Apologies for any misspellings.



With your permission I would like to copy and paste your response to Fly Me To The Moon, but I will not include any contact details like your email address or telephone number if this is okay with you?



Kind Regards

--- Post edited by jaimemoreno on 9/7 13:12 ---

jaimemoreno Posted on 9/7 12:31
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Again sorry for the third posting in a row but I hadn't read this thread for a couple of days and just read the following that needs to be commented on:

MKredleaderOne said :

'Choices.

We all have them to make.

I choose to go, I chose not to have kids/wife'

Are you sure the girls weren't the one's making the choices not to be with you, you sound like a geek with that comment mate. That's not an attack on you, merely my opinion heh.

Mista_Smith Posted on 9/7 13:17
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

What a good read that was Jaime, it just shows our club are small minded if they honestly think 95% of our fans live in Middlesbrough.

Prime_Minister Posted on 9/7 13:34
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Yeah well done Jaime, it was a very interesting read to see what our club has to say about Errea.

I think when people read it they will be able to tell it is just an automatic response that they havent even bothered to update yet, they mention we only get paid per TV appearance? is our marketing department not aware of the new SKY deal? where every club gets exactly the same?

and dont get me started on 95% of fans live in middlesbrough?? How small minded is that and untrue? Its embarrasing..

"At some point due to success on the field of play I would like to see our shirts on sale across Europe but first of all we have got to amass the income to achieve our goal."

What do they want us to do win the league? It seems winning our first trophy and getting into a European cup Final does not seem like success..

NOT ONLY GET ERREA OUT BUT ALSO OUR MARKETING DEPARTMENT!

They dont seem to be in touch with reality, and as long as they stay in charge we will not move on as club..

Stepper_T Posted on 9/7 13:42
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Where does it say 95% live in Middlesbrough?

It all seems pretty accurate to me, and hopefully the nutters who want rid will take that on board and understand why we choose Errea.

Prime_Minister Posted on 9/7 17:46
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Stepper

"I can understand your theories behind regionalised marketing of the clubs shirt when an independent survey suggests that a large portion of the fan base is within a 50 mile radius of the Riverside, but I find it hard to digest that 95% of fans are actually based within this radius when you take into account that we have a massive fan base in London… maybe someone at the Premier League should be having a word with their chief statistician?"

There it is! Do you think this is true??

MKredleaderOne Posted on 9/7 17:53
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Prime_Minister

Incorrect, every club does not get the same amount of money from TV.

They all get the same basic amount through the Premier League, plus appearance money per game to compensate them for the potetial reduction in gate money, plus a sum depending on where they finish in the league.

Prime_Minister Posted on 9/7 18:26
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

MK - But is not the minimum a club gets is 30 million? so if say we finished 10th we would get close to 40 million??

Still alot more than the money OUR marketing dept spoke of...

Mista_Smith Posted on 9/7 21:53
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

The club seems to be having a mare off the field, all matches to be put on BBC Cleveland?

I dont even know if its on FM or MW, Bernie and Ali got one of the best awards you can get for what they do and this happens...

The people at the club making these changes need to look at themselves and ask is this good for MFC cos like ERREA no it is not!!

Prime_Minister Posted on 11/7 12:10
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Agreed!

ERREA OUT

jaimemoreno Posted on 12/7 18:11
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Fordy's reply...

David

My response is personal, as all of mine are. They may contain similar information snippets but always in a different way to answer personal letters. The reason we sell our kits the way we do is to maximise club income to allow us to compete in the most competitive league in the world. So yes we make more income by doing it this way, whether it be Errea or Umbro is irrelevant.

If we retail anywhere in Europe we can be challenged under EU rules that we are restricting availability to some, so no we only sell into Europe through our Club website and we do this very successfully, and it helps cut down on counterfeit shirts. My response is to you, not for open discussion on Fly Me to the Moon. I have done articles specifically for the site with Rob Nichols over the years, which is why I am amazed the same questions keep coming up. This is a matter I have also discussed on fans forums.

Here's to a successful 2007/2008 on and off the pitch.

Kind regards

Graham

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MKredleaderOne Posted on 13/7 13:03
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

jaimemoreno

As the response from Mr Fordy is not open for discussion on this board I assume you and the PM will end this debate now.

Long live the ERREA brand association with MFC.

Prime_Minister Posted on 13/7 13:26
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

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jaimemoreno Posted on 13/7 13:37
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Bit of a childish response PM

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"As the response from Mr Fordy is not open for discussion on this board I assume you and the PM will end this debate now."

To be fair mate, I'm not going to put anymore emails between me and Mr Fordy on the board because he did state in the email to not discuss what he has said on this forum. That doesn't mean that I cannot carry on the discussion we already had before Mr Fordy got involved, so trust me I more than likely will keep it going if I want to add to it.

I get the feeling you don't like me anymore MKredleaderOne, I think it's best we go our seperate ways, it's not it's me

--- Post edited by jaimemoreno on 13/7 13:43 ---

MKredleaderOne Posted on 13/7 16:56
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

jaimemoreno

Comment was tongue in cheek.

But I guess you'll still be wearing that new ERREA shirt with pride when it (eventually) arrives.

GIPPIN Posted on 14/7 13:17
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Hoof!

Prime_Minister Posted on 14/7 14:08
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Our Marketing department at MFC needs to wake up and see that we are a BIG club, cos Graham Fordys reasons for us using Errea knocked me sick!

FROM MFC.CO.UK

"Thousands Tune In To Tuncay Show
THOUSANDS of fans have been viewing a YouTube clip of
Tuncay scoring a sensational goal in his first Boro
training session."

"The footage, shot yesterday at the club's training camp
in Bad Waltersdorf, Austria, had been viewed 132,000 times shortly after lunchtime today, making it the day's sixth most viewed clip wordwide on the video sharing site.
Five Turkish TV crews and around 20 reporters turned up for the session."

WAKE UP - ERREA OUT

trodbitch Posted on 14/7 14:13
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

I've watched that video 5 or 6 times, a few mates have watched it. None of us have bought a shirt. I don't see what point you are making by showing hits on a free video website in a discussion about selling shirts via our club shop and website.

coll2048 Posted on 14/7 14:13
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Errea are crap!

coll2048 Posted on 14/7 14:14
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Errea are crap!

Prime_Minister Posted on 14/7 14:16
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

"making it the day's sixth most viewed clip wordwide on the video sharing site"

Do you not any idea how many people visit YOUTUBE a day?

Middlesbrough made the Top 10

MKredleaderOne Posted on 14/7 14:16
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Prime_Minister

You need to wake up.

Have you forgotten that you've resigned and Gordon has taken over?

the_broken_fridge Posted on 14/7 14:18
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Give it up Trod.

He won't be happy until the boro have shirts for sale in every shop in the country. Every shop, even Home Bargains.

Prime_Minister Posted on 14/7 14:22
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

MK - I am the Prime Minister and will continue to be until someone tells me otherwise...


ERREA OUT

MKredleaderOne Posted on 14/7 14:32
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Now that say's it all!

You make a decision and then need someone to tell you.

OK

You're not the Prime_Minister.

ERREA in.

Have you ever run anything yourself? (Apart from in athletics or the cross country).

Prime_Minister Posted on 14/7 16:06
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

MK - You couldnt even run a bath so dont talk to me as if your some kind of marketing mogul..

Prime_Minister Posted on 14/7 17:48
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

I will give Errea there due, the kits very good!

Should sell them without a sponsor, id have one straight away! Shame my friend (boro fan) in spain cant get one!

He never buys, before he tries!

ERREA OUT

Mista_Smith Posted on 14/7 18:04
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Totally agree, shame people on here are so short sighted..

Mista_Smith Posted on 15/7 19:27
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

hoof

MKredleaderOne Posted on 16/7 7:15
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Prime_Minister

You're right about the bath.

I prefer a shower.

Did I claim to be some marketing mogul? NO I did not.

I asked if you had ever run anything, but as usual you don't answer the question and make a rash statement instead.

Oh but I did run a bar on the side for a number of years and year on year did increase the profit having taken it over when it was losing money.

jaimemoreno Posted on 16/7 12:28
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

I heard Prime Minister once ran a 200M dash at Claireville and came first, can you shed any light on this rumour PM?

MKredleaderOne, I thought you said you were an enigneer in this thread earlier on... yet you ran a bar too? You must have been a busy man *tips hat to MK*

I have to say I did like our kits, they looked quite smart without a sponsor. I've been trying to find a pic from the match since but I've struggled, anyone care posting a pic of the new shirt up?

MKredleaderOne Posted on 16/7 13:18
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

jaimemoreno

I can't recall saying I'm an engineer earlier on in this debate.

However, I did tun a bar as well as having a full time job and yes I was a busy man.

I did also ask the following question of Prime_Minister " Have you ever run anything yourself? (Apart from in athletics or the cross country)." I think I may have asked a similar question of him earlier as well.

Prime_Minister Posted on 16/7 13:37
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

I have won the 200m as well as the 100m and the long jump!

MK - To answer your question yes i have ran many things, it started off at Acklam Grange where i was voted the representative for Pupils at the school board. Now i am member of the Financial Core Union so i do know what is best for companies!

We arent dealing with a small company here, being in the Premierleague is massive and you want to be able to reach out to football fans all over, thats why we are struggling for a sponsor we dont see the bigger picture and sell our kits NATIONWIDE..

Mista_Smith Posted on 16/7 18:04
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Prime_Minister - I VOTE YOU TO BE OUR MARKETING MANAGER

MKredleaderOne Posted on 17/7 7:19
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Prime_Minister

What is "Financial Core Union"? I tried "Google" but it didn't come up with anything meaningful.

Mista_Smith

Prime_Minister - I VOTE YOU TO BE OUR MARKETING MANAGER

On what basis, he has not yet put up a well reasoned argument for what he is "demanding", are you his lover?

jaimemoreno Posted on 17/7 12:08
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

I think I've heard of that Union but I'm not too sure, all the financial based ones sound the same. I'm not a member of one, I find you don't really need to be in one in the finance sector.

Prime_Minister Posted on 17/7 13:38
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

MK - It does exist trust me!

Mista_Smith - Why thanks, i dont know why MK would object to me being our Marketing manager i would sort it right out.

- I would already have new badges on the Riverside
- Get a kit supllier who sells our shirts nationawide

MKredleaderOne Posted on 17/7 16:46
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Prime_Minister

I didn't say it didn't exist, just that Google didn't bring up anything meaningful.

On the second matter you forgot to add reduce the amount of money availble for new players/wages due to the reduced income from commercial activities.

Link: Who are they?

MKredleaderOne Posted on 17/7 16:46
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Prime_Minister

I didn't say it didn't exist, just that Google didn't bring up anything meaningful.

On the second matter you forgot to add reduce the amount of money availble for new players/wages due to the reduced income from commercial activities.

Link: Who are they?

Prime_Minister Posted on 17/7 18:42
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

MK - Im sorry but i cant go into detail exactly what the union consists of..

But regarding MFC, i think anyone could improve matters off the field. I honestly dont know what they do.

Do You?

ERREA OUT

GIPPIN Posted on 17/7 19:47
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

I think the whole infrastructure of or marketing needs to be reviewed and overhauled. In light of the global appeal of the premier league we need to market our club much more effectively.

The current fiasco with the kit and sponsor, just shows we are not the most professional with regards to our club merchandise and marketing.

The impression I get from our club is that we just don't have the know all our inclination to want to do anything about it.

I agree that the football side of things should be a priority but some serious consideration should be shown to the other aspects of our club

Prime_Minister Posted on 17/7 21:22
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Very well said Gipp, at last a bit of sense instead of trying to argue with the fact Errea are small time compared to us.

Thanks for helping us get on our feet ERREA but shut the door on your way out, we need to be ruthless and grow up..

ERREA OUT

GIPPIN Posted on 17/7 22:06
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

If we did sign a "SPECTACULAR" Player would we not loose out marketing wise due to our bob standard approach

Mista_Smith Posted on 17/7 22:09
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

EXACTLY GIPPIN - read the thread tuncay = beckham

jaimemoreno Posted on 17/7 22:09
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

If 'Gippin' hadn't worded his post so articulately as he did I'd have had money on him and Prime Minister being the same people.

On other news, I sent Fordy another email after his reply posted above but he hasn't replied as yet, I very much doubt he will ever reply... disappointing stuff haha.

Small minded marketing, perhaps?

Prime_Minister Posted on 17/7 22:12
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Jaime - Nah i aint Gippin, well only on hangover..

Its not rocket science though really is it?

jaimemoreno Posted on 17/7 22:18
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

It's not but it's seems that Fordys got blinkers on. I've just had a quick read of that Tuncay = Beckham in Turkey thread and if he holds half the sway over there that everyone claims then we're missing a massive marketing opportunity. We should be cashing in on this, think of the additional funds it would bring in to the club, very lucrative stuff in my opinion.

Know the feeling all too well on the hangover front, gippin is often an understatement heh

GIPPIN Posted on 17/7 22:20
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

I'd like to see how that joker got that job! When you compare us to the more established teams within the league, you would assume we had just been promoted.

I mean they had to show us pictures of the game on Saturday in order to show us the new strip. Fair enough we haven't sorted out the sponsor yet, but surely they could let us see the new design. We shouldn't have to wait for some person to post a picture on here.

Armatures!

Prime_Minister Posted on 17/7 22:24
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Jaime - Another one that speaks words of wisdom, as my mate Sir Paul would say "let it be"

We could open a club shop in Turkey near where they love him, that would then take us closer to the market thats only if Gibbo does have shares and wants to stick with ERREA..

Prime_Minister Posted on 17/7 22:30
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Gippin - I couldnt have said it any better myself, to think GF and co are paid good money to Market a club on the world stage like us is embarrasing and needs addressed.

Amatures

jaimemoreno Posted on 17/7 22:35
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Fordy said we can't offer our shirts to selective shops but offer it exclusively to one, does that mean we could arrange a deal with Fenerbache were by we could arrange for the sales of their shirts in our club shop and ours in theres? Therefore it wouldn't be cherry picking what stores could sell it and therefore offering it to one store and not breaking any EU marketing laws?

It's such an obvious idea but yet somehow I can see the marketing dept. overlooking this option.

Yeah it is pretty piss poor that the first glimpse of our new shirt was in a friendly and no promotional photos had been made available beforehand... it's even laughable that they don't have any promo photos yet apart from the live action pics from the Schalke match

GIPPIN Posted on 17/7 22:37
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

I just feel we need to take advantage of all the opportunities which present themselves to us. Which mean we need to have the correct tools to work with.

Prime_Minister Posted on 17/7 22:48
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Thats correct, no one can see what we are acheiving at the moment is nothing short of amazing, you look at bigger clubs than us..

Leeds, N Forest etc, are no where to be seen, and look at us!! we are a small town team with the world at our feet and we are not aiming high..

Take advantage man

TO DO OR TO DIE

Maccarone_Is_Me Posted on 17/7 22:52
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

If the club were to sell shirts in Turkey or Korea why should that be affected by any EU trading laws? Turkey and Korea aren't in the EU.

jaimemoreno Posted on 17/7 22:53
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Speculate to accumulate but if you over speculate you run the risk of going bust a la Leeds United. All within reason my friend, but I definitely understand your viewpoint, we could be missing out on a lucrative market in the likes of turkey, korea etc

jaimemoreno Posted on 17/7 22:54
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

I think you've got a point there maccarone as me, logic seemed to have escaped me for a bit heh

boro_exile99 Posted on 17/7 23:00
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

I find it extraordinary that we have 400+ posts of the make of the shirt.

For goodness sake - can we all get a grip!

Prime_Minister Posted on 17/7 23:02
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

boro_exile where you born in 99??

Read the thread you might learn something

jaimemoreno Posted on 17/7 23:08
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Boro Exile: Were you exiled out of boro for your stupidity?

It's not all about the kit supplier, it's about our shoddy marketing regime, it's laughable at times.

Read it, a lot of this thread is utter rubbish but there are some gems of info that are very relevant

boro_exile99 Posted on 17/7 23:12
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

OK I plead ignorance - what exactly I am I supposed to learn from all this?

What I currently understand is that this is an unfashionable club with a passionate fan base (including myself).

But who makes the shirt is not going to change any of this- unless of course someone can tell me otherwise.

and no I was not born in 99 (1899 or 1999). I am a IT consultant with 4.13 (aprox) children.

They are all (apart from the .13 are Boro supporters) I will be having words with the .13 in due course...

Prime_Minister Posted on 17/7 23:13
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

He must have gone to bed, school in the morning. Bless those pesky kids

jaimemoreno Posted on 17/7 23:19
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

It's not so much about the kit supplier, if you read none too far up above these posts you'll see emails i've written to Fordy head of marketing and his generic responses, sorry I mean unique replies.

It makes interesting reading, especially his email with the statistics that have come from 'blind' independant sruveys.

Was .13 a software upgrade or just current work in progress?

Get the other 4 to have words with .13

Prime_Minister Posted on 17/7 23:19
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Thats ok you wherent to know that its never good to read a book backwards.

We know that its not about the shirt maker its about being able to sell our shirts outside of Boro..

"What I currently understand is that this is an unfashionable club with a passionate fan base (including myself).
"

I would put it the other way around, hence out attendances..

ERREA OUT

boro_exile99 Posted on 17/7 23:30
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Prime Minister (modest acrynim!)I can see your perspective. But my point is that the fact that there are 400+ posts shows how much the people on here care. But to the country in general we just don't register. I am not convinced that changing the shirt manufacturer or retail outlets is going to make a lot of difference.

Ask yourself this question... Why would a non-affiliated person going into a sports shop choose (if it were available) a Boro shirt....

jaimemoreno Posted on 17/7 23:33
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

He's a turkish kid and Tuncay is his idol
He's a .... Lee-Dong Gook is his idol
He's a .... Schwarter is his idol (yes maybe that one's pushing it)

boro_exile99 Posted on 17/7 23:48
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thr

OK but this is not exactly mass appeal. we need to

be in european competiton regularly (for the marketing executives)
winning trophies - (for the boys)
have a kit that goes well with jeans (for the girls)
players all be tanned with nice hair cuts (for the gays)

jaimemoreno Posted on 18/7 0:01
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thr

I'll give Errea that, we're one of the few (if not only) club in the premiership that sells a shirt specifically cut for the female form.

MKredleaderOne Posted on 18/7 13:31
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

P_M

"Im sorry but i cant go into detail exactly what the union consists of.."

Why not?

Is it some organisation that is illegal?

Are their activities illegal?

Doesn't really exist?

Surely if you want to improve its image you need to market it better, perhaps Mr Fordy could give you/them some tips on how this could be done.

"But regarding MFC, i think anyone could improve matters off the field. I honestly dont know what they do. Do You?"

Yes, I agree, things could be better in some areas, but changing a kit supplier will not do this.

"We could open a club shop in Turkey near where they love him, that would then take us closer to the market thats only if Gibbo does have shares and wants to stick with ERREA."

How long would you want to have the shop open for?

If you're that much of a businessman why not ask for a franchise and open one yourself?

If what you're saying is correct you'd soon make enough money to buy the club.

I fail to see why someone having/not having shares in ERREA has got to do with your reasoning.

But this whole debate is futile, we know that we are sticking with ERREA so why continue it? Apart from trying to get the highest number of posts you've ever had.

Prime_Minister Posted on 18/7 19:01
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

MK - You sure love an argument dont you, regarding the Union, i could talk about it all night and day but frankly when im not working (which is not often) i wanna get as far away from the subject as possible so if your that interested, look it up..

How long would you want to have the shop open for? As long as it was selling merchandise.

If you're that much of a businessman why not ask for a franchise and open one yourself? I cant see Gibbo letting me do this can you?

And who says i dont answer questions???

ERREA OUT

Prime_Minister Posted on 18/7 22:41
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Mr Exile - You say to Jaime that selling shirts in Turkey and through out Asia is not mass appeal, you havent got an argument mate.. Do the math..

We are in the top bracket of the Premier league, ahead of Fulham, Wigan, Derby, Reading, Birmingham, Bolton, Portsmouth, Blackburn, Sunderland and you could argue more. I would also include West Ham but what with the Tevez saga palarva they have gained alot of publicity and alot of eyes will be on them next season.

So there we are little old Boro rubbing shoulders with the best in the business, we have proved we are a worthy competitor to them too beating them on many occations and thats what the Hundreds of millions of viewers from around the world will see.

Its not hard to figure out we will have fans in everyone of these countries, we must have one at the least?

The clubs i have mentioned above it pains me to say have a better kit supplier than us theres no arguement because of the single fact that there supllier will have at least one store throughout the world were possible.

And how many does Errea have? One, yes one and its in italy!! it shows the difference is massive!

Nike and Addidas etc might not give us a better % from sales than we get from Errea but thats thinking short time, people need to look at the bigger picture.

What they can offer our club is the chance to reach out to our market (YES we do have one) through out the world..

We have probably been in the company of boro fans from all over but because they cant get a shirt from anywhere they have no opportunity of wearing a boro top so we, sorry you cant see it..

ERREA OUT

--- Post edited by Prime_Minister on 18/7 22:44 ---

jaimemoreno Posted on 18/7 23:34
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Not sure about some of your points there matey!

Prime_Minister Posted on 19/7 0:04
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

What do you disagree with then "matey"?

--- Post edited by Prime_Minister on 19/7 0:14 ---

neanderthaltoon Posted on 19/7 23:48
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

I Fell asleep reading the rubbish on this thread, I think the admin staff should remove it otherwise it will continue until the contract runs out next year(heard it from a good source)........ A whole season of this thread...god help..

ERREA IN

PM OUT
Mista Smith OUT
moreno OUT

Don't even think about coming back ripping me for been a toon fan, I work in Boro and have to put up with the S**t on this thread everyday.... JUST LET IT DIE IN PEACE...

MKredleaderOne Posted on 20/7 7:18
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

neanderthaltoon

"I work in Boro and have to put up with the S**t on this thread everyday".

I'd bet you don't do much work if any at all and no you don't have to put up with this everyday.

Try going here instead.

Link: Fun with the planks

jaimemoreno Posted on 20/7 17:33
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Haha nice one MKredleader *claps in approval*

Mista_Smith Posted on 20/7 17:52
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

NEANDERTHALLOON - Dont know why you pickin on me..

I have attached something for you

Link: from Graham Ford

jaimemoreno Posted on 20/7 17:55
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

That's how rubbish Errea are, on their website they don't have our new kit on, they don't have our kit from last season but they do have the from one from the season before. Bloody laughing-stocks

boro_exile99 Posted on 20/7 18:22
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

ERRORS OUT!
Miskates will no longer be tolerated!

Oh NO!!!!

jaimemoreno Posted on 20/7 19:23
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Everyone is allowed some mistakes otherwise PM would be banned off here for his shoddy spelling and grammar.

Do you not agree with me that Errea not having any recent photos of our kit on the site is a bit of a laughable mistake?

If I'm quite honest with you I really like our new home kit but I'm not too fussed on the away kit.

Prime_Minister Posted on 20/7 22:17
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

This would seem like a stupid mistake to some people, but to the more intelligent individual you can see what i was getting at, if Graham Fordy cant even get our clubs marketing right well he doesnt desrve the right for me to spell his name correct..

ERREA OUT

Mista_Smith Posted on 22/7 15:04
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Robert HOOF

Mista_Smith Posted on 22/7 15:05
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Robert HOOF

number_10 Posted on 22/7 15:19
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

It'll be well overdue when we do finally get rid of them. The latest efforts are awful.

Bukowski_MFC Posted on 22/7 15:38
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

A quote from Fordy in his correspondence with jaimemoreno - "Football is not played on a level business structure and every club must maximise its income in its own best interest. This year Umbro agreed to proceed as we wished to trade but their terms and conditions did in no way match our present ones."


Fordy ballsed up here in my opinion. He chose the safe option.

If the Boro kits were manufactured by Umbro, we would sell FAR MORE kits and leisurewear. I don't for one second think that our revenue would drop.

He needs to start looking at the club from the outside in. Umbro is a recognised quality label and would appeal to fashion conscious kids and (let's be honest) adults alike. Many of us who have become disillusioned with the poor Errea kit designs over the years would maybe take an interest in buying a Boro shirt again.

The way the club markets itself is very frustrating. The department needs an overhaul or needs to change its way of thinking.

--- Post edited by Bukowski_MFC on 22/7 15:43 ---

Prime_Minister Posted on 22/7 18:33
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Well said Bukowski, it is frustrating.. why cant the people at MFC see all of this?

So what fordy is sayin is we are gunna stay with ERREA forever because how can nike, Addidas, Umbro etc compete with what Errea give us?

jaimemoreno Posted on 22/7 22:04
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Maybe Errea are good in the short term but maybe a change of kit supplier would benefit us in the longer term.

----------------------------------------------------

Oh speaking of Fordy's balls up Bukowski_MFC, he put the following on one of those emails to me

'At some point due to success on the field of play I would like to see our shirts on sale across Europe '

Yet on Boros website Fordy said in a statement in relation to our new sponsor the following

'Their sponsorship will help Middlesbrough FC continue to compete at the very highest level of English football and build on an era that has made us the fifth most successful club in English football over the last 12 years.'

Surely that's good on the field success if we are the 5th most successful team in the last 12 years behind the likes of Man Utd, Chelsea, Asrenal and Liverpool?

What more does this man want?

Prime_Minister Posted on 22/7 22:12
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Jaime - The mans an Idiot he doesnt have a clue, if he cant see the next step into progressing our club off the field he is in the wrong job!

He would be class at a Championship team, he would help by making them loads of money by changing there kit supllier to Errea..

WE ARE AN ESTABLISHED PREMIERLEAGUE SIDE FFS

jaimemoreno Posted on 22/7 22:16
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Sorry for the double post but when I clicked edit on the above post it won't let me insert a link to were Fordy said we were the 5th successful side.

Third paragraph after the Pog picture

Link: Fordy Balls up

jaimemoreno Posted on 23/7 12:36
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Do you think Fordy has actually read this thread?

jamier86 Posted on 23/7 14:28
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

get rid (for the 08/09 season)

paulaner301 Posted on 23/7 16:44
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

makes me sick when u go to teesside park if you go upstairs in sports soccer the first thing you see is sunderland shirts for sale sure the manager is a mackem . Stopped buying the kids boro tops because the quality is crap . If you cant buy a boro shirt anywhere in the country other than through the club how are we going to kids to see them in shops ( fans of the future) ?

Prime_Minister Posted on 23/7 17:54
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

paulaner301 - agree totally, the club is so short sighted its unbelievable!

** ERREA OUT - GRAHAM FORDY OUT **

**BOTH AMATEURS**

Mista_Smith Posted on 23/7 20:54
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Bit harsh to call for the mans head but then again if we didnt have a successful manager he would get sacked!

So on that front i agree..

Prime_Minister Posted on 24/7 8:56
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Mista Smith - I like your way of thought!

ERREA OUT

jaimemoreno Posted on 24/7 12:50
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

I think PM and MS need to get a room, are you two lovers?

jaimemoreno Posted on 24/7 12:53
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Sorry for the double post but yeah it is hasrh asking for the mans head. It's his point of view and for all we know it could be correct but I view Errea only as a short term option, a bigger kit supplier would be better for the long term.

Still what about that whopping contradiction regards to success in Fordys email me compared to the statement he issued on the clubs site saying we were the 5th most succesful team in England

Prime_Minister Posted on 24/7 17:31
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Just look at this and tell me which one is the Amatuer and the Professional kit supllier!

Link: DIE - ERREA

Prime_Minister Posted on 24/7 17:32
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

and this one!

Link: Nike

Prime_Minister Posted on 24/7 17:58
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

**IT SEEMS SOMEONE TOOK NOTICE OF THE THREAD ON THE SKUNK BOARD**

**THEY HAVE NO MORE FREDDIE SHEPARD**

**SO IT DOES WORK, GET BEHINED THE BID YOU**

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jaimemoreno Posted on 24/7 22:31
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

PM you're an idiot, that last post was just rather annoying.

MKredleaderOne Posted on 25/7 8:28
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

It say's it all if he reads and gets his info from Wikipedia.

jaimemoreno Posted on 25/7 12:33
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Woaaah easy MK, Wikipedia might not always be factually solid but it's a great website! I've lost many an hour sat on Wiki reading about pointless stuff

MKredleaderOne Posted on 25/7 13:00
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Link below for some vital info for the P_M

Link: Best of Wikipedia

Prime_Minister Posted on 25/7 17:43
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Good one MK, you do have a sense of humour after all..

Heres something from Wikipedia for yourself

Link: Wikipedia at its best

Prime_Minister Posted on 25/7 17:43
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Good one MK, you do have a sense of humour after all..

Heres something from Wikipedia for yourself

Link: Wikipedia at its best

Hulk_Holgate Posted on 25/7 20:19
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Just read this thread, Yes there is alot of crap but also some good points...

Ive been turned..

ERREA OUT

Prime_Minister Posted on 25/7 21:58
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Thank you Hogan my friend!

Its all about thinking Big..

Hulk_Holgate Posted on 25/7 22:14
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

graham fordy needs to book his ideas up if he really wants whats best as im sure gibson will/should be looking at it..

liverpools stadium looks the nuts, they have the best marketing stratergy..

we should have took advantage of dong gook being here and doing pre season over there..

i cant believe the club has let it slip... idiots we could have made a fortune and gained fans..

Prime_Minister Posted on 25/7 22:39
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Exactly, massive opportunitys passing us by, the clubs a joke off the pitch..

GRAHAM FORDY - ERREA OUT

Hulk_Holgate Posted on 25/7 22:43
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

We could have even gone to turkey! why dont Boro compete in any of them tournaments that Arsenal and Liverpool are in?

Even bloody pompey are there.. eeeeerrrrr not happy now

Prime_Minister Posted on 25/7 22:51
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Its because we have to face it, our clubs ambitions dont match those on the pitch.. they dont realise it goes hand in hand..

ERREA OUT

Hulk_Holgate Posted on 25/7 23:01
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Keep spreading the word mucker, we as fans deserve better..

ERREA OUT

mfc_4_ever Posted on 25/7 23:25
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

ERREA OUT !!!!!!!!

Prime_Minister Posted on 25/7 23:33
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

ERREA OUT!!

Hulk_Holgate Posted on 25/7 23:36
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

ERREA OUT

Prime_Minister Posted on 26/7 8:26
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

ERREA OUT!

jaimemoreno Posted on 26/7 12:13
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

H'oway lads, that's getting a bit silly, theres about 10 posts just saying Errea Out, at least argue the point properly

jaimemoreno Posted on 26/7 12:15
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

And while we're on the subject of this thread...

Link: Haha

neanderthaltoon Posted on 26/7 12:33
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

ERREA IN

neanderthaltoon Posted on 26/7 12:34
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

come on lads sort it out......

ERREA IN

Prime_Minister Posted on 26/7 17:29
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Guess what im gunna say............








































































ERREA OUT

MKredleaderOne Posted on 27/7 12:48
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

jaimemoreno

"H'oway lads, that's getting a bit silly, theres about 10 posts just saying Errea Out, at least argue the point properly"

Now that's a novel idea.

I'll bet you the P_M doesn't take you up on the invitation.

That would be really novel.

Funtime_Franckie Posted on 27/7 12:52
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Bloody hell is this one still going

Prime_Minister Posted on 27/7 17:45
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

MK - You say argue the point but when everyone is saying ERREA OUT theres no need to argue.. as everyone is agreeing with each other!

You really are dumb.. you think Errea is good for our club and you dont know when people are agreeing with each other..

ERREA OUT

jaimemoreno Posted on 27/7 17:51
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Speaking of novel stuff MK, the woman bought me a pair of Middlesbrough FC novelty pants for xmas that weren't madeby Errea but were just as shoddy quality heh

Prime_Minister Posted on 27/7 17:56
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Are you sure the Errea logo just hasnt fell off?

ERREA OUT

jaimemoreno Posted on 27/7 17:59
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Ha it could have fell off when she was rapping it up, anyway theres not much space to fit the logo on a small tight thong haha

Boro290204 Posted on 28/7 0:22
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

It's time for a change, Errea have outstayed their welcome!

Hulk_Holgate Posted on 28/7 14:15
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

yeah they have well outstayed there welcome..

For the people that written another thread to mock what this thread is about need to look long and hard at themselves and see what is best for our club, and believe me it isnt Errea..

PM wants whats best.. all those that mock want us to stay still..

sign up and see if we can make a difference..

Prime_Minister Posted on 29/7 11:57
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Hogan - it falls on deaf ears mate..

ERREA OUT

Hulk_Holgate Posted on 29/7 22:06
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Its a shame PM...

Did you hear that Pompey are setting up a new website especially for there asian following since there tournament over there? we must have a bigger following than them.. yet the club cant see this, there is money to be made in a big market..

Link: why?

Prime_Minister Posted on 29/7 22:20
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Yeah i did see that Hulk in the NOTW.. Its a big catchment area and Pompey can see this and are using it to their advantage, setting up this website..

Over there we must be well more liked what with Dong Gook playing for us but nah the people at our club like to only think "why would people support us??" "the only people that like us live in Middlesbrough"

FOOLS MFC, YOU ARE FOOLS AND I HATE TO SAY IT.. WAKE UP

OH! ERREA OUT (Although i am starting to just think its the people at MFC that are really the problem)

KingOfSmog Posted on 29/7 22:34
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

ERREA OUT

Hulk_Holgate Posted on 29/7 22:35
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Yes, i feel your anger PM i just wish there was people like you in the club who could see opportunitys when they are presented.. We should have done some pre season over there, we could have also tapped up Alan Smith there too..

Prime_Minister Posted on 29/7 22:41
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Very good point Hulk, i hope we can get him signed up as we are a bit light upfront as i can see Southgate putting Tuncay on the right wing.. Shame..

We should have like a Director of Marketing who is there to make us bigger on a global scale cos fook me if Pompey can do it, we surely can..

ERREA OUT - SMITH IN - FORDY OUT

Mista_Smith Posted on 29/7 22:46
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Did somebody shout me? ;-)

ERREA OUT

trodbitch Posted on 29/7 22:47
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

A little tip, Prime_Minister. When you are posting as Hulk_Holgate, try to vary your spelling and punctuation otherwise people won't believe they are two different posters.

Hulk_Holgate Posted on 29/7 22:49
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Yeah we defo need a director of some sort, do we have a director of football at MFC? or is that Gibson?

Nobbie Posted on 29/7 22:52
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

ERREA FOR ENGLAND AND EVERY ONE BUT BORO SORRRY A VERY POOR PRODUCT

Prime_Minister Posted on 29/7 22:58
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Thanks for the tip trodBITCH but i aint the Hulk, its sad that when you think cos 2 people agree on things it cant be for real.. Im also

BoroMutt
GibbosEmpire
Captain5
johnsmithno2
CapyBara
ElvisRamone
MistaSmith
Jaimemoreno
Gippin

But i guess you know this eh?

ERREA OUT

hufc02 Posted on 29/7 22:58
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

why the hell would people outside the north east want to buy your error shirts ?

Prime_Minister Posted on 29/7 22:59
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Oh and im Nobbie!

ERREA OUT

Hulk_Holgate Posted on 29/7 23:02
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

dont bother trying to call her back PM, i know her family and they keep her locked away with only water and a laptop..

SHAME

trodbitch Posted on 29/7 23:03
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Congratulations on your multi-ton thread. Shame it's all mainly just you spouting utter fooking gash!

Why did you capitalise BITCH in my username? A quick tip, people don't get easily insulted by insults they have already named themselves with.

Prime_Minister Posted on 29/7 23:04
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

HUFC02 - Because the follow the boro, its not rocket science!

ERREA OUT

Prime_Minister Posted on 29/7 23:05
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

HUFC02 - Because they follow the boro, its not rocket science!

ERREA OUT

Prime_Minister Posted on 29/7 23:08
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Bitch - I take people as i find them and you do exactly what it says on the tin..

A question for you (presumming you are not me and im asking myself this?)

Do you think we should stick with Errea? if so, give me one good reason why..

ERREA OUT

trodbitch Posted on 29/7 23:12
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Yes because we make more money than we would with anyone else. You have yet to put up *one* good reason why we should ditch them.

Prime_Minister Posted on 29/7 23:17
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Bitch - Now i know you havent read this thread so im not even gunna try and make you think otherwise as i would be going over old ground..

We make loads of money from them eh? so do you not think we would make more money if our shirts where available in Asia, Turkey etc??


ERREA OUT

Hulk_Holgate Posted on 29/7 23:18
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

sorry, im still laughing at the fact someone thinks im the Prime Minister..

trodbitch Posted on 29/7 23:30
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

"do you not think we would make more money if our shirts where available in Asia, Turkey etc??"

No but only because I think that the costs of doing that would not be offset by the increase in sales. We'd make more from finishing one place higher up in the league than we would make, in profit, from selling shirts in South Korea. I just think we'd be spread too thin going after such a, well, minority market.

Prime_Minister Posted on 30/7 12:21
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

trodbitch - you are yet another small minded smoggy!

trodbitch Posted on 30/7 12:28
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Well if you can't show me any evidence otherwise why I am wrong, just be quiet and don't attempt to paint me as a small-minded boro doyle - as I am far from it.

You know nothing about business as your "if we make so much money from them why dont Man U use them!" comment shows.

I suspect from your last comment you are a geordie troll.

Prime_Minister Posted on 30/7 12:47
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

trodbitch - Thats how easy it is, if we make so much money from them, why are we the only ones in the top flight that use them??

We as a club need to be able to make our shirts etc available to people outside of Boro! otherwise we are just getting left behind..

ERREA OUT

jaimemoreno Posted on 30/7 12:57
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Oh dear Trodbitch, you're just adding fuel to the flames. I think this thread just needs to die out now...

Errea Out

Turner_86 Posted on 30/7 13:00
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Let it go you sad f**kers.

captain5 Posted on 30/7 13:02
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

There's an almost childlike quality to this.

They have an idea of what they want and when the grown ups try and explain why in the real world that's just not possible, they just repeat the same arguments over and over again, hoping you'll bow to their pressure.

slipshod Posted on 30/7 13:28
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

ERREA OUT..............
Whether we like it or not football kits ARE fashion items these days, i personally think we would sell far more merchandise if the products were made by a 'fashionable' designer this would certainly appeal to the younger market. Although the club makes more money per shirt with ERREA i feel they would sell twice as many with a fashionable designer.

Prime_Minister Posted on 30/7 13:53
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Captain5 - can i remind you of something? So dont think your opinion counts for anything...

"You'll struggle to get over 50.

Keep them. I love them*.



*Not quite."

So you are wrong on both points, thought you wanted rid of Errea?

ERREA OUT

MKredleaderOne Posted on 30/7 17:17
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

captain5

I don't count I want a label as a reasoned argument and am still waiting for P-M and any of his other user names/cronies to come up with one.

Those that beleive that Steve Gibson has done his sums can only use the arguments put forward by the only peron whose opinion really counts.

I doubt for one minute if he thought the club could make £1 more that they currently do under the ERREA deal that he wouldn't have changed by now.

Them continuing the debate is futile and could result in Steve Gibson beginning to question why he bothers wasting his time and money, if the few (who think they are a majority) don't trust his decisions.

P_M, jaimemoreno and their cronies OUT

ERREA, Steve Gibson and the majority IN

captain5 Posted on 30/7 17:22
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

I said you wouldn't get over 50 people. You probably still haven't.

Twice as many is a lot of extra shirts to sell to ensure you don't lose money by doing so, even if we made 50% of our current cut (which I doubt).

If someone could show me the figures adding up I'd be willing to listen, but nobody has yet. I don't even like Errea that much.

MKredleaderOne Posted on 30/7 17:31
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

If we sold 60,000 shirts at a profit of £30, we get a tidy £1.8m.

Use one of the big boys and sell through the chain stores what would we get?

Say £1m up front and £5 for every shirt we would have to sell 160,000 shirts to break even. Now I doubt we would get £5 from royalties, more like £1 and that would men selling 800,000 shirts.

I hope the P_M never becomes the Chancellor.

Prime_Minister Posted on 31/7 8:51
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

The thing is, I dont know and you dont know how many shirts we would sell worldwide..

Just look at the Beckham affect, LA Galaxy was unkown and now are massive!

We have the Asian Beckham in Donk Gook and a massive star in Tuncay! so the no doubt have fans all over watching us now..

Just say we signed David Beckham, do you think it would still be right to stick with ERREA?

ERREA OUT

jamier86 Posted on 31/7 10:00
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

GET RID

captain5 Posted on 31/7 10:07
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

"The thing is, I dont know and you dont know how many shirts we would sell worldwide.."


So, you'd basically change a profitable operation, on a hunch.

Welcome to the world of big business.

samovmarske Posted on 31/7 11:42
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

get rid!!

MKredleaderOne Posted on 31/7 13:22
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

"The thing is, I dont know and you dont know how many shirts we would sell worldwide.."

How can you then say we will sell more and make more if you don't have the figures?

"Just look at the Beckham affect, LA Galaxy was unkown and now are massive!"

Define "masiive" if you can and what benefits have they had so far?

"We have the Asian Beckham in Donk Gook and a massive star in Tuncay! so the no doubt have fans all over watching us now.."

The majority of Asians that watch football on tv don't think BORO is on tv I must watch, in the areas I've been to they just love football and it doesn't matter who is playing.

"Just say we signed David Beckham, do you think it would still be right to stick with ERREA?"

If Steve Gibson does his sums and say's we stick with ERREA over offers from others then I would trust his judgement. Not someones who just says change without facts or evidence to support his claims and campaign.

You have just proved what a complete D!CK you are.

Prime_Minister Posted on 31/7 18:27
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

MKredleaderOne - why dont you admit you are Graham Fordy??

Mista_Smith Posted on 31/7 22:57
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

This Robert Hoof is brought to you by GibbosEmpire and Mr R Sole.

MKredleaderOne Posted on 1/8 7:10
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Prime_Minister

Sorry, can't admit to being somebody or something I'm not.

Just because I don't agree with your point of view that cannot be backed up with anything other than your own feeling. You have no evidence in support of your claim so why not give up on your lost cause.

Steve Gibson in.

G Fordy has his support so he'll be staying as does K Lamb, G Southgate etc so they are in just as ERREA is.

Give in, admit defeat gracefully in your crusade that you have no chance of winning currently.

To conclude, like it or not ERREA are in.

Prime_Minister Posted on 1/8 13:07
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

MK- You say - "Just because I don't agree with your point of view that cannot be backed up with anything "

Ok here goes... deep breath..

1) So you can talk about oh we are a local club and we have a small fan base!! NO WE ARE NOT
We are a world wide club with millions of people watching us in countries we havent heard of and maybe just maybe some people might just like us and think i am going to support that team, as they dont wanna go with the so called big teams!

2)The money we lose (if any) by changing our shirt maker would be made up by new shirt sponsors! for any company looking to invest in a shirt sponsor will look at how we market our brand, and lets be honest its not good! No wonder we are strugglin to find one, so if we had shirts throughout the country would be more appealing to any company!

3)The reason we have sponsors is because we are on tele every week??? Thats what ive been sayin, over 100 million people world wide see the boro week in week out to if we can get a small % of new fans on board, through seeing a really good game (one game made Abromivich buy chelsea remember) we would be laughin! Hey guys or kids i dont know, Manchester United, Liverpool started somewhere!

Look at Seville, we have been in topflight longer than them, and look what they have acheived! i can go buy a seville top right now if i want! can a spanish guy say the same for us????

Just a few, i could go on all day........

ERREA OUT

captain5 Posted on 1/8 13:11
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Just a couple more will do.



Please can you go and get a job with one of my competitors please??

Prime_Minister Posted on 2/8 12:06
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

One of your competitors? why dont I just do your job and finally make the company some money!

MKredleaderOne Posted on 2/8 18:04
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

"1) So you can talk about oh we are a local club and we have a small fan base!! NO WE ARE NOT
We are a world wide club with millions of people watching us in countries we havent heard of and maybe just maybe some people might just like us and think i am going to support that team, as they dont wanna go with the so called big teams!"

Where have I said that?

But you assume that some some shop somewhere will stock the shirt on the off chance that someone wants to buy one. I guess you have done some research into which mythical shop will stock the shirt for the mythical supporter(s). I'd put money on that you hadn't.

"2)The money we lose (if any) by changing our shirt maker would be made up by new shirt sponsors! for any company looking to invest in a shirt sponsor will look at how we market our brand, and lets be honest its not good! No wonder we are strugglin to find one, so if we had shirts throughout the country would be more appealing to any company!"

Where is your evidence to back up any of the above claim?

"3)The reason we have sponsors is because we are on tele every week??? Thats what ive been sayin, over 100 million people world wide see the boro week in week out to if we can get a small % of new fans on board, through seeing a really good game (one game made Abromivich buy chelsea remember) we would be laughin! Hey guys or kids i dont know, Manchester United, Liverpool started somewhere!"

Did he buy a shirt though first? or are you saying you want someone to come in and buy the club, invest money and put up admission prices?

But to be honest I fail to see what your point really is here.

"Look at Seville, we have been in topflight longer than them, and look what they have acheived! i can go buy a seville top right now if i want! can a spanish guy say the same for us????"

How much do they make through shirt sales? Answer you don't know but you'll throw this in as it passed through your grey cell.

Where can you buy a Sevilla top in this country, I've never seen a sports hop here that stocks Joma.

"Just a few, i could go on all day........"

You may be able to go on all day but those that make decisions are not listening to you.

--- Post edited by MKredleaderOne on 2/8 18:07 ---

Hulk_Holgate Posted on 2/8 18:50
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

mkleader1: you are wrong, i agree with PM, are you not able to see as far as your nose? when i speak to my friends they say the club off the field havent a clue. i went into the club shop only today and they gave me my goods back in a bag with the old badge on? is this professional?

Snickerdoodle Posted on 2/8 19:23
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

" i went into the club shop only today and they gave me my goods back in a bag with the old badge on? is this professional?"

Did you immediately hand back the bag and demand a refund? No. Then it doesn't matter does it.

Hulk_Holgate Posted on 2/8 20:53
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

no i didnt, but if you want to rebrand your club you make sure that you are fully prepared to stick with your choice of badge/sheild whatever, we havent even go the new badge on the stadium yet! we are gunna be a laughing stock when blackburn turn up.

Snickerdoodle Posted on 2/8 21:52
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Ah crap! How many goal start is professional corporate branding worth this season?

boat Posted on 2/8 22:13
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

time for a change sick of buying a shirt and having to send it back because the sponsor falls off.

MKredleaderOne Posted on 3/8 7:14
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Hulk_Holgate

The subject of the thread is about getting rid of Errea and you seem to going off at a tangent like many others.

However, how many businesses do your friends run?

As for the bag with the old badge on it. I'm please to see that the club is thinking, not wasting money and throwing away (and having to pay disposal costs) being environmentally firendly.

There also the fact that by using old stock the money that would have been spent on buying new bags can be spent on other things at the club such as paying for Mr Fordy to fly to Italy to negotiate with ERREA the deal for season 2008/2009.

Forward thinking or what!

--- Post edited by MKredleaderOne on 3/8 7:14 ---

Prime_Minister Posted on 3/8 19:26
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

MK - Just admit it you are Graham Fordy! You are surely either Graham Fordy or they allow PC's in St Lukes!

ERREA OUT - GRAHAM FORDY OUT

MKredleaderOne Posted on 4/8 9:03
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

P_M

Still no evidence then.

I'm just wondering if it's classified information and you can't share it with the rest of us. A bit like the Financial Core Union.

Prime_Minister Posted on 5/8 19:55
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

MK - You must be Graham Fordy if you are disagreeing with all the points i make..

What we are doing is like a top class sprinter ran in say dunlup! its just madness..

ERREA OUT

MKredleaderOne Posted on 6/8 7:19
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

P_M

You haven't given me anything to agree with yet, provide some facts/evidence to support your claims/ideas and you never know I may agree with you.

Until then (and possibly afterwards) I'd stick with the decisions of the man who puts his hand in his pocket and bails us out years after year.


ERREA IN.

Prime_Minister Posted on 6/8 18:48
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

MK - I tell you what, how many staff will Errea have?? about 200 hundred?? 100?? 50? if we had a proffessional kit supplier we would have our kit out already now, Nike, Addidas, Puma etc have thousands of people working for them and could have our kits out within a week! WE ARENT EVEN GUNNA HAVE THEM READY FOR THE START OF THE SEASON FFS?? Who is gunna buy one? I know im not..

ERREA OUT

MKredleaderOne Posted on 7/8 7:23
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

P_M

I'm sure that you not buying a shirt will be a great loss to the club. However, probably not as great a loss than may be the case if the adopted your business strategy.

You ask a question of how many people ERREA employ, I don't know and quite frankly don't care but I'd say you're well wide of the mark with your first figure 200 hundred (200k) and probably your last figure 50. How can you think of figures so far apart.

As for the delvery of shirts, how can they be responsible for the delivery date being after the season started when we only agreed the sponsor a couple of weeks ago. You go on about the big manufacturers. How many months ago did Blunderland announce their new sponsors and how many days ago were their new shirts released. Sounds to me like ERREA are quicker at turning them around that the "big boys" are.

ERREA are our kit suppliers/sponsor like it or not. How about you concentrating on your secretive organisation and leaving the business of running MFC to a man that seems to have a vested interest, Mr Gibson.

ERREA IN.

dezo_mfc Posted on 7/8 13:29
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Ther way too over rated all of the other teams in the Prmeiership are updating apart from us

Mista_Smith Posted on 7/8 13:36
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

dezo - eh?

JasonStatham Posted on 7/8 15:20
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

people keep saying its shocking we havent got the kit before the start of the season, but in reality we have.

This kit is apart from the sponsor and the badge identical to the one we won in the carling cup in, which is pretty much identical to the one from the year before.

the white stripe was a good thing for errea it made them look like they had designers, without it its back to their standard design probably designed in the 40s.

Prime_Minister Posted on 7/8 23:42
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

The club is a disgrace at present! and its all stemming from off the field.

Bad Things at the moment surrounding MFC.

I will start with number 1) ERREA WTF?? Start by getting a new kit supplier and lets go public, get MFC off the ground.
2) Reduce ticket prices and get the riverside bouncing again with the people that made the Holgate, the working class hero's.
3) Keith Lamb - Taking the p1ss out of us Season Ticket Holders.
4) Steve Gibson and the "Spectacular Signings"
5) The club itself for not taking advantage of a tournament in Asia, who would have heard of Portsmouth over there? No-one but they now have fans through winning a cup.

This is all off the field, on the field is a different matter, its looking good.

1)Tuncay, nuff said....
2) One of the best Centre backs in Europe (when fit) has signed.
3) Pace and power into our game.
4) We have kept hold of one of the best Strikers in the Premiership... Yakubu..

before i forget ERREA OUT

--- Post edited by Prime_Minister on 7/8 23:46 ---

MKredleaderOne Posted on 8/8 7:22
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

P_M

1) ERREA WTF?? Start by getting a new kit supplier and lets go public, get MFC off the ground.

Same old rant, you're worse than an old record that has got stuck in the groove, repeating itself endlessly without a point.

2) Reduce ticket prices and get the riverside bouncing again with the people that made the Holgate, the working class hero's.

Lets reduce the income and amount available to run the club, Steve Gibson will not plough money in if he cannot see the club has support.

3) Keith Lamb - Taking the p1ss out of us Season Ticket Holders.

How? Another statement without any supporting evidence.

4) Steve Gibson and the "Spectacular Signings"

There's still time.

5) The club itself for not taking advantage of a tournament in Asia, who would have heard of Portsmouth over there? No-one but they now have fans through winning a cup.

It's my understanding that you are invited to be in a torunament, you don't invite yourself.

I fail to see how you claim to be involved in something related to finance.

I wouldn't even want to be in the office tea club run by you.

ERREA IN!!!

Mista_Smith Posted on 8/8 13:03
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

In response to the WELL DONE ERREA Thread

The only reason they are working night and day is because they only have 10 members of staff, Amatuers

ERREA OUT

Mista_Smith Posted on 8/8 13:04
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

In response to the WELL DONE ERREA Thread

The only reason they are working night and day is because they only have 10 members of staff, Amatuers

ERREA OUT

MKredleaderOne Posted on 8/8 13:16
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Mista_Smith

The P_M earlier this week (Prime_Minister Posted on 6/8 18:48) was asking if they employ 200 hundred, I'd have thought the two of you would have realised by now, guesses don't matter, facts do.


ERREA have delivered the goods quicker than anyone else would have and you're still not happy.

ERREA IN

Mista_Smith Posted on 8/8 13:31
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leader1 - Errea have took 3 weeks to get these kits out, Mike could have done it in 4 days! that must be wear the extra charge is coming from!

You like facts - MFC SHIRTS ARE THE MOST EXPENSIVE IN THE PL

Link: Why?

Mista_Smith Posted on 8/8 17:48
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Are we not bigger than Reading or Portsmouth

Link: again....why?

Mista_Smith Posted on 8/8 17:49
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Are we not bigger than Reading or Portsmouth?

Link: again....why?

MKredleaderOne Posted on 8/8 17:51
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Mista_Smith


"Errea have took 3 weeks to get these kits out, Mike could have done it in 4 days! that must be wear the extra charge is coming from!"

Who is Mike and what has he got to do with this.

You like facts - MFC SHIRTS ARE THE MOST EXPENSIVE IN THE PL

I've never said we are the cheapest, the only thing I say about cost is that the profits go to the club.

Oh and as for service.

I just looked at the Deck Chairs shirts on line, out of stock. So the big boys can't supply the quantities the clubs/supporters demand but I guess that's ok as we only want to knock our supplier.

Do us a favour post a photo of yourself in your new shirt next week.

ERREA IN

Mista_Smith Posted on 8/8 17:54
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Profits go straight into the club? Where is it going? We have spent the least in the PL..

Prove it that the Mags have sold out? Maybe they should change to Errea, no one will buy them so they wont have this problem.

MKredleaderOne Posted on 8/8 18:01
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Why do I have to prove anything about whether the Mags have sold out, I've not mentioned them?

I said I checked out the Deck Chairs, I've never seen a black and white striped Deck Chair.

Are you trying to imply the the profits from shirts sales dont go back into the club and Steve Gibson isn't funding our club any more.

Get real, we lose money year after year and we are just lucky we have chairman that picks up the tab.

Prime_Minister Posted on 9/8 8:45
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MK - You honestly think that MFC doesnt make a profit? I cant see that, all the money from TV etc..

If this is true and we dont then i can only put it down to the Marketing of the club! Pathetic, this is what i have been saying all through out this thread.. but you think that its amazing!

You really are not in touch with reality!

captain5 Posted on 9/8 9:57
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I'm so glad we have stupid people like you to keep some sort of equilibrium.

As the last person who you dealt with in business said to you, I'll have a Big Mac and Fries please.

Prime_Minister Posted on 9/8 12:06
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Captain5 you are funny! Not!

ERREA OUT

captain5 Posted on 9/8 12:08
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Oh dear, it even uses 'not' at the end of a sentence, to show contradiction of the previous unintended statement.

How up to date.

Prime_Minister Posted on 9/8 12:18
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Captain5 - Yes i am upto date thanks, i know exactly whats happening do you?

I remember you slagging me off for wanting Errea out! Is this still the case?

Prime_Minister Posted on 9/8 13:27
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Note to one's self - Captain5 cant back up on an argument and is an Idiot and needs to be shot!

jaimemoreno Posted on 9/8 13:34
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FFS just agree to disagree lads!

This thread has had more CPR than me gran, I can't believe it's still alive.







Errea Out just for the sh.ts and giggles

Mista_Smith Posted on 9/8 23:45
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Die ERREA Die.. The truth is in there

Dann020 Posted on 9/8 23:50
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

you put your errea in

your errea out

in,out,in,out you shake it all about

you do the hokey cokey and you turn around thats what erreas about

Hoof

Mista_Smith Posted on 9/8 23:54
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

wooooooooooHHHH Die aDie ERREA

wooooooooooHHHH Die aDie ERREA

you do the hokey cokey and you turn around thats what erreas about

Prime_Minister Posted on 10/8 12:05
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Good song guys! the title being

ERREA OUT

Hulk_Holgate Posted on 11/8 0:14
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Do you reckon it would sell though? I wouldnt get it!

Id get the album

MKredleaderOne Posted on 11/8 8:45
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I wonder if the Prime_Minister would buy it if was on the ERREA record label?

Probably not, you know how snobby he his, it would have to be Nike, Adidas, Puma ro something similar. He's got to have the right image, forget anything else.

Prime_Minister Posted on 12/8 12:56
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You said the word yourself there MK, IMAGE! Everyone needs a good image.

Our image as a club is shockin!

ERREA OUT

Mista_Smith Posted on 13/8 13:51
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PM - Think you won that battle, MK has shut right up!

MKredleaderOne Posted on 13/8 17:10
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Mista_Smith

It would take a better man then the P_M to shut me up!

Not had time to answer sooner and it's about the same time betwwen my last post and P_M's. I had to go to the post office at lunchtime today to post some purchases from MFC Retail to France.

ERREA is the fashionable wear in all the fashion hot spots in France this summer apparently. You and the P_M should get about more. There's a whole world outside of Berwick Hills, try being a little adventurous sometime a go and travel.

P_M the word image was chosen specifically. There is no defition of image that comes any where near what you think it means.

Prime_Minister Posted on 14/8 17:50
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MK - "ERREA is the fashionable wear in all the fashion hot spots in France this summer"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA AHEM ERREA OUT

--- Post edited by Prime_Minister on 14/8 17:51 ---

MKredleaderOne Posted on 15/8 7:18
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A bit tame for you P_M.

Have you purchased your new ERREA shirt yet?

--- Post edited by MKredleaderOne on 15/8 7:19 ---

Prime_Minister Posted on 15/8 12:51
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

No not as yet, but i will do because its the first one with a new badge, probably keep it and never wear it..

ERREA OUT

MKredleaderOne Posted on 15/8 13:37
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But if you never wear it, wash it (in accordance with the instruction) etc how will you be able to guage it's performance against any other manufacturers?

Prime_Minister Posted on 20/8 12:18
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MK - Went to buy my Boro shirt saturday, i goes into the shop and all the BORO shirts are there! I ask the women who worked there where are the long sleeved one's?

She replied that they dont do them? i said dont do them Why?

She just said they never have done and only do it when its Retro?? whats that all about??

So then i thought it over and gave in and went to buy the short sleeved top! Not happy.. I then ask for Tuncay on the back along with number and the Premier League badges and she said it will take a week!!

A WEEK FFS, our club is an embarrasment off the pitch, i left the store having bought nothing!

ERREA OUT - MFC WAKE UP

jaimemoreno Posted on 20/8 13:04
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No long sleeve shirts, they've never done them... what's that all about!? I'm sure the woman who worked in the retail store has been misinformed as we have sold long sleeved shirts in the past, I'm not imaging that am I?

I bet it's because Errea are not producing them at the minute, they were probably too busy churning out short sleeved shirts to meet the early demand that they thought their time would be better spent making them. In their defence, if the club had ran out of short sleeved shirts and only had long sleeved shirts left I'm sure there would have been an uproar and people coming out saying it's just a ploy to make more money.

Fingers crossed we will see the long sleeved shirts in the store soon as I prefer them. If they don't produce a long sleeved shirt then it just goes to show how amateur Errea are.

Oh did anyone see Fordy is no longer head of marketing, they've got someone new in and he's been tasked with the job of making the clubs image and brand more popular, this was in the first programme of the season.

Rumour has it one of the early things to be done is to put Middlesbrough FC on one of the stands behind the goal just like NUFC have at Sids Park to make the ground instantly recognisable on the tele.

Fordy is still at the club but his role is changing slightly (this is rumour has it, I'm not going to state idle gossip as fact).

Surely a fresh pair of eyes helping the club to brand itself in a better manner is a good thing.

--- Post edited by jaimemoreno on 20/8 13:06 ---

Prime_Minister Posted on 20/8 21:40
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Yes Jamie im sure they have sold long sleeve shirts before, im not being anal by not buying a shirt because of this am i?

Whats the point of me spending my hard earned cash on something that i wont feel comfortable in?

Im glad MFC have taken action at sorting the Marketing department out, long over due if you ask me, Gibbo must have read this thread ha i wish..

ERREA OUT

MKredleaderOne Posted on 23/8 7:25
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Yes they sell long sleeved shirt every season and have them in stock now. GOALKEEPERS shirts - I don't recall long sleeved shirts being sold by the club in over twenty years (I may be wrong).

P_M, when did you last buy a BORO shirt?

jaimemoreno why do you want us to copy NUFC, are you a closet Geordie?

"Rumour has it one of the early things to be done is to put Middlesbrough FC on one of the stands behind the goal just like NUFC have at Sids Park to make the ground instantly recognisable on the tele."

Rumour! say's it all really, fact is, "Newcastle United" is on the stand opposite where the players come out, not behind the goal.

jaimemoreno Posted on 24/8 13:43
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MKredleaderMONG - Yeah I'm a closet geordie. This just proves that you are a bit of a tool if you can't even admit that the skunks do something that markets their club in a good manner. Wowzers I got the stand wrong that the sign is on, I wouldn't know which stand it's on because I don't watch Newcastle every week, maybe you do, maybe you're the one who's a closet Newcastle fan.

You are a right pedantic little so and so arent't you?

The fact that I said it as 'rumour has it' just goes to prove that I'm not going to pass idle chat off as fact, would you prefer it if I did this?

As for the Goalkeeper shirt craic, it's unbelievably how witty you are. You're like Jimmy Carr, except less funny *applauds*

What is your problem, I've stated fairly good arguments and points throughout this thread that you just seem to have a problem with. I bet you sit with your trousers round your ankles on a night in front of your pc pulling the head off it to this thread.

--- Post edited by jaimemoreno on 24/8 13:44 ---

Prime_Minister Posted on 30/8 12:51
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Looks like you won that one Jaime!

ERREA OUT

Mista_Smith Posted on 31/8 13:10
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Robert Hooooof

Link: knocks me sick

MKredleaderOne Posted on 6/9 17:20
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

Prime_Minister

In-correct, I chose not to respond to someone so abusive. I pointed out some quite obvious errors in statements and got abuse back.

I've also defended some (employees of MFC) who would not be allowed to respond. Why attack those that cannot defend themselves? Were you bullied when you were younger by any chance? I hope yours and Jaime's employers treat you the same as you suggest Steve Gibson should some of his and see how long before you scream blue murder.

I'd just point out that we are still using ERREA and therefore you have lost your campaign.

captain5 Posted on 6/9 17:24
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

And as Mr Gibson pointed out during the fans' forum, if we did ditch Errea and sell through other sports retailers, part of the profits would go directly to the Newcastle Chairman.

You traitor.....

--- Post edited by captain5 on 6/9 17:25 ---

MKredleaderOne Posted on 6/9 17:28
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C5

Who me?

I hope not.

captain5 Posted on 6/9 18:25
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

No, of course not.

DINKDANKDOBORO Posted on 6/9 22:39
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its like diarrhea .......lets get nike

Prime_Minister Posted on 11/9 12:54
re: Official lets get rid of Errea thread

MK - The campaign has not been lost yet, i will not rest until we have new shirt makers!

ERREA = Small time

MKredleaderOne Posted on 11/9 18:31
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Using that as a basis for claiming the battle/campaign has been lost is like saying one day you'll become the P_M and until the day you're dead and have not become or been P_M no one could say your wrong.

Come on admit it, the quality is good.

Prime_Minister Posted on 12/9 13:42
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PM - I do like the new kit and yes the quality seems good but like i have always said its the fact that you cant buy our kits anywhere else apart from MFC!

We are the only club in the PL who does this, so my argument is all the other teams cant be wrong can they?? or surely someone else would be using ERREA!

ERREA OUT

MKredleaderOne Posted on 21/9 17:49
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P_M

I can't recall seeing a Birmingham City, Reading, Derby County or Portsmouth shirt for sale in any sports shop in town lately.

Have you?

St_Petersburg Posted on 21/9 18:05
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The pros of using Errea though are that Boro get a unique strip instead of another generic template crap other clubs get and the club profits from the sales of shirts rather than having to give a cut to retailers.

jonny_giles Posted on 21/9 21:29
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The sponsor sounds like bog roll, and the shirts are pap, Errea out! G G G Garmin.

SparkyUK Posted on 21/9 21:45
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Petersburg, are you saying that tounge in cheek or are you just thick ?

St_Petersburg Posted on 21/9 21:52
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Sparky. Maybe you'd like a nice Nike logo on your shirt youfucking chav twat.

Just because Errea aren't some big name brand doesn't mean we should get rid. I'd hate to have Umbro, Adidas or Nike manufacturing our shirt because they'd simply give us a generic template shirt the same as some other club just different colour. Not only that but the slaes of the shirts wouldn't be exclusive to Boro club shops and therefore the club would lose a chuck of their profit to the retailers.

Is that difficult for you to understand, youfucking knuckle-dragging dickhead?

MKredleaderOne Posted on 22/9 9:44
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SparkyUK

Are you suggesting that St_Petersburg is thick because he doesn't want profits to go to the owners of other clubs instead of into MFC?

If so, you are the one that may be thick.

Alternatively you don't want us to be unique.