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TeeSv Posted on 24/6 11:53
13,000 season ticket renewals

...so far and 2,000 new applicants according to the woman in the ticket office.

junouk Posted on 24/6 11:57
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bloody hell.... 15000 tickets. We will be gettting like darlo... lets only open one stand lol.

I will be there and this season i have bought a fifth ticket. dont ask me why but i quite fancy a good season if the signings turn up as expected.

Boy_Wonder_MFC Posted on 24/6 13:18
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We are only a small club like Bolton and Blackburn and Wigan so thats why we get small crowds, Not just us who will have empty seats, I know Newcastle and Sunderland are obsessed with attendances but hey we have been more successful over the years than those 2 "BIG CLUBS"

doncollyony Posted on 24/6 13:22
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how many did we have last season ...

SparkyUK Posted on 24/6 13:25
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18,000

Turner_86 Posted on 24/6 13:26
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The majority of the people of Teesside don't deserve a Premiership team, the best chairman in the country and a top bloke like Southgate.

I've renewed, and I'm more excited about this coming season than last years. I think things are looking pretty good. Well done to all those others who have renewed, shame that only so few can see just what we've got.

Smoggy_jay Posted on 24/6 13:37
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i agree with turner 100%, our support is so bad we dont deserve to be a premiership team...annoys me, i have loads of mates who claim to be boro fans but never bother themselves to go and watch them they'd rather go to the pub and watch it on dodgy tv...its sad but it just shows how small we are as a club!

boro_boy1984 Posted on 24/6 13:47
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i think part of it is now fans realise they dont have to buy a season ticket, they can afford to pick and choose games depending on how the team is doing, its an early commitment to make and promises on signings have been made before then failed to materialize, i dont think we could sell out now like we did under robbo no matter who the club brought in, football up[ here has changed a little since those dizzy days when we all bought in to gibbos dream.

for the record i dont have a season ticket this year but i will attend every match i can.

newcastle and sunderland have these fans too its just they have more willing to spend on a season ticket but the percentage would be the same but they have more fans to start with as they are bigger cities.

buttermyarse Posted on 24/6 14:15
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The difference between Robbos era and now is that the entertainment is not there!.I bet you cant name four matches from last season where you came away saying what an entertaining game.On top of that you now have all the pubs/clubs showing nearly every home game.. The crowds will never return while they are on the telly every week

Mat_Evans Posted on 24/6 14:22
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jesus chrsi, that's very poor even for us.

BroughtonLad Posted on 24/6 14:25
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At least it won't take so long to get out of the Carpark.

Bloody Part Timers !!

Senor_Chester Posted on 24/6 14:34
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We don't deserve a Premiership team? I think half the time the club don't deserve our support.

This was obvious to everyone that ticket sales would be down and with other clubs in a similar position to us setting presidents by lowering prices we should have followed suit.

To quote Keith Lamb - We've took the fans for as much as we can.

Turner_86 Posted on 24/6 14:38
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I could easily name more than 4 matches where I came away saying it was a good game from last season.

I could also name more than four games from the Ravanelli season where I came away saying how the hell does a team with so many stars play so damn rubbish. Remember we went down that season, and we had some stinkers, but people forget it because we had so many exciting cup games reaching two finals.

No Middlesbrough team in the Premiership has every played brilliantly in every home game, that's why our heighest finish is 7th.

But the town need to get behind the club and show their support to give the club that lift that they need.

It'll be a sad day when we are lying in the lower divisions and we wish we were where we are now.

Turner_86 Posted on 24/6 14:39
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Senor_Chester, don't deserve what support, they don't get any unless the club reach a final and fans come flocking back in their thousands slagging the club off because they can't get a ticket.

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hughiep Posted on 24/6 14:46
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Hogwash dont deserve a premiership team...what a load of shoite...how much you can afford to spend on a season ticket depends on how much you earn..and if you have a house, wife kids etc etc...

what a load of shoite..fookin hell....mam still making your bait is she and fiver a week digs...fooking think about it !!!!

ThePrisoner Posted on 24/6 14:46
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Maybe Gibbo believes that even a cut in prices wouldn't have persuaded waverers to renew? Hence he's kept them where they were and hopes people will still turn up to pay on the day of the game.

buttermyarse Posted on 24/6 14:49
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Turner I dont believe their is the PASSION in this town that there is in the likes of Liverpool and Newcastle.. In my opinion we have been punching above our weight for years and we are lucky to be where we are..

LLPJ Posted on 24/6 14:54
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Chill out Hughie no ones having a go at people who cant afford season tickets.

its just people like my mate who last season were slagging the club off for not selling out for a quarter final of the uefa cup but when asked whether he was goin just sorta shrugged his shoulders.
we all know theres plenty of genuine fans out there who cant afford it but the fact is that apathy is the main reason we're selling so few, or football is going out of fashion with the "premiership/sky" generation.

boro74 Posted on 24/6 14:56
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Even though we've only sold 15000 season tickets that doesn't mean we will have such low crowds. A lot of fans just pay match by match. If we get off to a good start and the football is good then the crowds will also be good.

What is the incentive to buy a season ticket? If we reach the F.A. Cup semi there will probably be enough tickets for everybody that wants one. As seen against West Ham.

If we reach the Carling Cup Final you can buy half a season ticket in January and get your ticket for the final that way.

If we reach the F.A. Cup final there won't be enough tickets to go round the season ticket holders that we have now. As seen with Eindhoven.

So a lot of fans just think, what's the point? I'll pay match by match.

hughiep Posted on 24/6 14:56
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Fair enough LLPJ maybe its just the way i read it..ad the DTS.....lol

Boromart Posted on 24/6 14:58
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Boy_Wonder_MFC said "We are only a small club like Bolton and Blackburn and Wigan".

FFS, don't talk us down we are 'bigger' in terms of attendances than those 3 teams by far.

as the all-time attendances show we are historically the 16th best supported club in the country, adn THE highest supported TOWN. At the moment we are probably around the 13th best supported club.

Blackburn historically 29th best supported; Bolton 26th; and Wigan 89th. We are significantly better supported than all those teams and always have been....even though two of them have had far more success on the field than us.

Link: All-time attendances

dave_catching Posted on 24/6 15:06
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-No way we've got 2000 new season ticket holders. Utter balls.

-As someone says the reason we have such poor crowds is the dour football and lack of flair in midfield. Downing is great, but will never put bums on seats like a Merson/TLF. Hopefully Tuncay will help address this.

-How can anyone say the fans are totally to blame when we have a manager paid about £1million a year, has been with the club 6 years and STILL hasn't noticed we've got no right winger?!?! Don't expect fans to be seduced by such incompetence.

Senor_Chester Posted on 24/6 15:14
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Thats annoyed me that Turner, I've just shelled out 400 quid that I can hardly afford at the minute and now I have prats like you telling me I don't deserve to be watching a Premiership team.

Brick_Tamland Posted on 24/6 15:15
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Tuncay is going to experience a real culture shock in August. Packed stands full of passionate fans at Fenerbahce to dwindling numbers at the Riverside who will probably quickly turn on him if he takes a while to settle.

Turner_86 Posted on 24/6 15:21
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Senor_Chester, In an earlier post I said well done to all who renewed, that includes you if you have.

I'm not having a pop at you, just the people who came along when we signed TLF and Ravanelli etc. and have got bored and buggered off now those things have become the norm and people have got bored.

Saying that, I have for a long time noticed you are one of the posters who has a very cynical attitude towards the club.

I might not agree with it, but as long us you pay good money, which I respect, you obviously love the club, your entitled to your say more than most.

CesurYurek Posted on 24/6 15:25
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So Inc away fans we will have an average attendance of 19,000 a game.

Thats embarrasing considering we got over 20,000 for a reserve game before. But thats what the club deserves for the way its treated its fans esp the loyal ones.

I believe the club will majorly regret not having knocked off at least £100 off the season tickets this season.

truggg Posted on 24/6 15:27
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Excellent reply Hughie

Some people on this board think that if you don't get yourself into debt, spend your rent/mortgage/food money on MFC. you don't support MFC.

A lot of us are married with commitments and although we all love Boro, they are a long way down the queue for my money

Senor_Chester Posted on 24/6 15:28
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I have renewed. Give me a reason why I shouldn't be cynical towards the club?

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hughiep Posted on 24/6 15:31
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Thanks trugg....was begining to think i was in the minortiy lol

BroughtonLad Posted on 24/6 15:31
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Why are we called Boro supporters?

No place for cynics / moaners!!

You back your team or sod off elsewhere.

Senor_Chester Posted on 24/6 15:33
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I do support the team. Does this mean I should hand over vast amounts of money without question because of blind loyalty?

BroughtonLad Posted on 24/6 15:37
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There is only one type of loyalty in my eyes and that is getting behind the club 100%

Less of the moaning.



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Senor_Chester Posted on 24/6 15:38
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2.

I do support the team. Does this mean I should hand over vast amounts of money without question because of blind loyalty?

hughiep Posted on 24/6 15:40
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what a load of bollox broughton.

If you bought a new car and it went tits up within a month or so you wouldnt moan, if you bought a house and it startted to leak through the roof after the first down pour you wouldnt moan..all those who buy a season ticket which turns out not to be value for money have a right to moan.

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Turner_86 Posted on 24/6 15:41
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Paying to watch the 19 home games is supporting your team. The money goes into the club.

They are fair prices for Premiership football imo. If you don't agree then fine. But unless you pay it, you don't have a fair argument voice your opinion.

Chester, if you have complaints about the way things are at the club ,you have your right to voice them.

BUT, IMO, over the last ten years, no season ticket holder can say that over that time they haven't got value for money, becauise it's been the most succeassful period in this clubs long history, by far.

I sympothise with those who genuinely can't afford it, but, that's life, and I'm only having a go at those who turn arund and say, the cl;ub don't give us anything, why should we give them anything, because that is utter bull****.

Steve Gibson has given the TOWN, not just the club, a f**king hell of a lot.

CesurYurek Posted on 24/6 15:41
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Damn, I was just thinking how barren the riverside was when we were getting 23,000 last season.

19,000 is going to be horrible it nearly is a half empty stadium. I predict big chunks missing out the north stand.

Mat_Evans Posted on 24/6 15:41
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"Turner I dont believe their is the PASSION in this town that there is in the likes of Liverpool and Newcastle."

Thats the biggest pile of sheeite i've read on here for a long time.

Senor_Chester Posted on 24/6 15:43
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It's the little things that are annoying as well for me. Why is a pint £2.60 and the equivelant to drinking urine. We're already there so why to they feel the need to rip us off more?

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BroughtonLad Posted on 24/6 15:43
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If you bought a new car and it went tits up within a month or so you wouldnt moan, if you bought a house and it startted to leak through the roof after the first down pour you wouldnt moan..all those who buy a season ticket which turns out not to be value for money have a right to moan.

And what good will that do?

Buying a car or house is different to supporting your team

hughiep Posted on 24/6 15:44
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Its still spending money broughton.

Senor_Chester Posted on 24/6 15:45
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"BUT, IMO, over the last ten years, no season ticket holder can say that over that time they haven't got value for money, becauise it's been the most succeassful period in this clubs long history, by far."

Yeah through cup runs which we had to pay seperate for!

BroughtonLad Posted on 24/6 15:45
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It's the little things that are annoying as well for me. Why is a pint £2.60 and the equivelant to drinking urine. Where already there so why to they feel the need to rip us off more?

Don't buy it then!!

Senor_Chester Posted on 24/6 15:49
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Didn't say I did. But because I want the team to do well I should support the club for charging 80 pence for a bag of crisps?

BroughtonLad Posted on 24/6 15:49
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There have been some great times over the past 10 years.
Cup Finals etc.
We have done more in the past 10 years than we ever did in the 100 years prior.

Turner_86 Posted on 24/6 15:58
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You have to be in the PL and be doing reasonably well to gain the plyers to get you to the cup finals, they go hand in hand.

Plus, the one year we qualified for the UEFA cup through the league, we got all the way to the final.

Fischer Posted on 24/6 15:59
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If you're selling any product and people aren't buying it in the necessary numbers, then you can't blame the people. There's obviously something wrong with what you're offering - whether it's price, quality, rival businesses stealing a march, or just the way you market your product. Football is no different any more.

Loads of clubs - not just Boro - need to look long and hard and what they're offering to fans, and how much they're charging for it. If people felt that going to the match was a fantastic experience and good value for money, then stadia all over the country would be full every week. But clearly thousands of people don't feel like that any more.

Can't help but feel Boro did miss a trick in not reducing ticket prices this season, and then shouting about it from the rooftops. It might not have solved all our problems, but it would have been a great start.

CesurYurek Posted on 24/6 15:59
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One thing. The week before the final deadline for renewals we had 10,000 renewals already in.

After the rush the final week caused I cant see there being only 3,000 people renewing that week. More like 5,000 then add on the 2,000

Winston_Spangler Posted on 24/6 16:02
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Our attendances are very good considering the size of the local population. Teesside's pretty small and has another Football League club as well.

Fischer Posted on 24/6 16:06
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Winston - I'd tend to agree if it wasn't for the fact that for every game in the 1999-2000 season, we had a 34,000 sell-out at the Riverside! So it seems we've lost almost 50% of our season ticket holders in the last seven years. There have to be some serious reasons for that, surely?

Revol_Tees Posted on 24/6 16:23
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Fischer: I can see your point, but I agree with Winston. Our attendances are still very good and I'm inclined to think that the period between 1995 and 1999 (when season ticket sales soared) was a blip that can be attributed largely to national trends, the new popularity of football etc. Season tickets were a fashionable commodity back then. Nowadays, who needs 'em? I've finally kicked the habit and I'll be more discriminating from now on. So will thousands of others up and down the country, Arse and Man Utd fans aside.

Take a look at the graph below. Our average attendances now are still better than at any time in the last 35+ years.

Revol_Tees Posted on 24/6 16:24
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Forgot to put the bloody link in.

Link: Average attendances (Boro-Stat.co.uk)

CesurYurek Posted on 24/6 16:26
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"So will thousands of others up and down the country, Arse and Man Utd fans aside."

That is complete Bull, talk to most prem fans this season and a lot are expecting increases in season ticket sales if Not regular full houses.

And Wigan and Blackburn who will still have gaps will be having higher regular attendances than Boro if this information about the 15,000 season ticket holders are true.
There was a growing trend of people not being interested in football anymore around the country, but this summer due to success for some clubs and a forward looking future/declines in prices a lot of these fans are coming back, Apart from one club.

McLeans_Mick Posted on 24/6 16:29
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Utter hogwash again Cesur

LAst season we had 22000 season ticket holders. Up to end of play 1 week ago there were 20000 renewals/new applications

McLeans_Mick Posted on 24/6 16:30
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Apart from 1 club!! Give it a rest. Wigan and blackburn to name 2 will not have higher average attendances than us next season. Hoof this up in May please

aweeboro Posted on 24/6 16:33
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Size of crowd is probably down to a number of things including
size of the catchment area
economic prosperity of the area
price of tickets
quality of football/matchday experience
Marketing ability of the club

Some of these will be more important than others. Football on telly probably has a bigger impact in an area of low economic prosperity as well.

One thing is sure given all of the above factors Boro do quite well for crowds. Improve any one of them and crowds would creep up. Improve more than one and we would be on a roll.

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Coluka Posted on 24/6 16:33
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There's plenty of stirring with the 'shitty stick' going on again!!!!!

Why do people feel the need to play the game 'Total Bollox'

Fischer Posted on 24/6 16:42
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Revol - no question, if you look at our attendances at Ayresome Park over the decades, then they're always lower than people remember, and generally pale into insignifance compared to Riverside attendances. Huge, important, crunch matches at Ayresome often attracted crowds of less than 20,000.

But the fact that we have overcome that and had sell-out season ticket crowds of 34,000 in recent seasons makes it all the more frustrating. Those seasons might have been a blip, but they DID happen, and it's worth looking in more detail at what circumstances came together in those years that made SO many people jump on the Boro bandwagon, and asking whether that success can be recaptured.

Senor_Chester Posted on 24/6 16:45
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Football was fashionable then thats why. I'm sure sales of flares sky rocketed in the 70's for the same reason. Doesn't mean to say they ever will again.

Fischer Posted on 24/6 16:52
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I'm sure that's a factor, yeah. In which case you'd think clubs would have gone all-out to compensate for that, and adjust their marketing strategies accordingly. Ten years ago fans were willing to pay high prices to watch football because it was the height of fashion. Now they're not, because it isn't. So shouldn't prices be coming down across the board to address that? Or do we just wait around another decade or two until the game becomes the height of fashion again?

george123 Posted on 24/6 16:57
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So wht weve sold 15k tickets., I never had a season ticket at AP - i got my first at the riverside cos I sensed sell outs and i was right - Ive renewed this season but now you dont need an s/t and itll go back to how it was - Boro play well - next game big crowd Boro play shte next game poor crowd except the manu/sland/jordy games - its called market forces.

Take a chill pill you sounf like jordys and makums on about crowds.

Shaun71 Posted on 24/6 17:01
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Technically yes there are no S or T's anymore but the same rationale stands. The number will denote how long youve been a season ticket holder for. It just wont be a S or T thats all

RedWurzel Posted on 24/6 19:38
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I expect it to be down, but I would be shocked if we only have 15000 season ticket holders, that would be a drop of nearly 7000 on one season.

A few points

Alot of you are saying football is no longer as fashionable, I disagree the Premiership in particular get more publicity then ever and crowds are up year after year for the whole league. There is even programes about Wags.

I think its possibly on Teesside not as fashionable, because in 1995 - 97 we were the big spenders and we had a new stadium, we were breaking new ground all the time. Now we are part of the establishment and not spending relatively as big its less exciting for some fans.

I can understand the cost putting people off, as people have family committments, but ask yourself didn't people have just as many family commitments in the late 90s?

My guess is that the increased exposure is reducing crowds on Teesside as many people want to go, but not at £24/£31 a ticket etc and will take out Sky or go to a pub with the game on or watch on the internet. Other parts of the country there is a larger base of higher income fans.

Last season I felt most games I went to at the Riverside were entertaining, there were more goals scored at the Riverside than any other ground except MU. So I don't agree with its more boring now on the pitch. However the Premiership is more predictable which makes it less exciting for me.

If you think Boro is expensive at £390 for a season ticket, Hereford are charging £300 for a seat in a 70 year old wooden stand to watch Division 2 football and they don't have special payment plans. Which is the best value?

Boro_Gadgie Posted on 24/6 19:42
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There's a lot of our fans need to take a look at themselves. They'll soon be wanting tickets next time we're at a Cup Final. There were a few thousand who got season tickets on the back of us making the Carling Cup final, so they could get a ticket for the Millenium stadium.

BoroMod Posted on 24/6 19:48
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I've renewed with my brother and we have a mate coming with us this year. I won't be at all the games mind, living in London won't make it easy for me.

I'm really looking to the coming season, lets just hope a few more signings and the buzz will spread throughout Teesside again. I'm sure we will have sold a few more season tickets by the time the season starts.

CesurYurek Posted on 24/6 19:48
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McCleans Mick, youve pulled those numbers out of your harris.

With 1 week left there was just about half that only 10,000 were sold. Not 20,000 and Wigan and Blackburn will have higher attendences, they have sold more season tickets than us if this thread is true.

ANd I really doubt Boro are going to get an extra 7,000 not ST holders coming to each game barring the big teams and the "derbies" that we would need to get a higher attendance than Wigan.

ThePrisoner Posted on 24/6 19:54
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"LAst season we had 22000 season ticket holders. Up to end of play 1 week ago there were 20000 renewals/new applications"

And your source is what, McLeans_Mick?

It would be great if true but I cannot see the coming season's ST sales being anywhere near last year's. I know lots of people who are not renewing. I don't know of anyone who didn't have one last season but is buying one for next.

Senor_Chester Posted on 24/6 19:55
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Boro Gadgie why should a lot of fans need to take a look at themselves? Of coarse people will want tickets for cup finals but thats why the most loyal get them first.

BroughtonLad Posted on 24/6 19:59
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Loyal meaning ST Holders

Senor_Chester Posted on 24/6 20:00
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Yes


?

Turner_86 Posted on 24/6 20:04
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IMO, I've heard every possible excuse, down to the football not bing entertaining, which is rubbish, too expensive, since when? For certain people yes, but for 10,000 people to suddenly decide it's too expensive, why did they ever buy one in the past. It's on the telly in the pub, how much money do they spend on booze in the pub? The club don't spend the money they used to, when we've still been in the top half of the league for spending money on players, and have spent 9 million already this summer.

All rubbish excuses.

It just seems as though there is an attitude on Teesside towards the football club, of people being determined to put them down and refuse to go for whatever reason they can.

It's swept through season ticket holders onto people who don't have never been. The amount of people who have said things to me about them not playing well and Middlesbrough always letting you down and being rubbish, and I just can't believe my ears, these are successful times, we were in the UEFA cup final just overa year ago, and we couldn't sell the stadium out then.

What the hell can the club do if fans have this attutide where they won't open there eyes and ears and see the truth insead of listening to other whiging idiots who going slong like a flock of sheep.

BroughtonLad Posted on 24/6 20:13
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New Half time entertainment at the Riverside should be the trooping around the pitch of all these miserable gets who do nothing but moan about our team so we can all Boo them.

Pauluka Posted on 24/6 20:14
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Why do people insist on making things up? It's really getting on my tits now

BroughtonLad Posted on 24/6 20:18
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So you have tits now !!

Keep them coming

Pauluka Posted on 24/6 20:23
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Yep, 44DD

Senor_Chester Posted on 24/6 20:28
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Turner a lot of the time the football was poor, how many times where the team booed off? you must have a bad memory. Taking everything into account the price the lack of consistent entertainment and the option of watching it down the pub is why the crowds are down.

People don't need to give a good chunk of money away to go and watch half arsed millionaire go and dive around a pitch for 90 minutes.

10hazza Posted on 24/6 20:31
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completely agree with turner_86

Turner_86 Posted on 24/6 20:31
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During McClarens time I would agree with you. But any season ticket holder last season shouldn't see any reason to believe they didn't get value for money. Our home form was excellent and there was plenty of goals and entertaining games, so if the rumoured drop in ST holders is true I'd be very suprised.

Turner_86 Posted on 24/6 20:34
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'People don't need to give a good chunk of money away to go and watch half arsed millionaire go and dive around a pitch for 90 minutes.'

While agree with that, we normally have at least 4-5 academy products in our side, with an English manager and other English players, we may have 1-2 greedy foreigners, but surely that shouldn't put people off.

Coluka Posted on 24/6 20:36
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You are getting to be a real handful these days Pauluka

jd1973 Posted on 24/6 20:39
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Turner...let me guess...

You are single
You live at home with Mum and Dad (or at least 1 parent)
You go out with your mates at least 3 times a week
You have no kids
You have no discernible interests other than 1) getting pished 3 times per week 2) going to the match 3) going out with your mates

Once the above start changing you will begin to see how priorities in life change also. I work damn hard for my money, and my free time is very important to me - but it is also very important to my wife and son.

That's why sometimes I go to the match, and sometimes I don't. It doesn't make me any less of a fan than you, or anyone else who claims to be a megafan or whatever.

Your argument is moronic, and is showing you up. I'd pipe down if I were you.

And BTW, you are the one going "BBBBBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA".

Senor_Chester Posted on 24/6 20:41
re: 13,000 season ticket renewals

Yet jd some people on here think you should take a look at yourself!

Senor_Chester Posted on 24/6 20:41
re: 13,000 season ticket renewals

"But any season ticket holder last season shouldn't see any reason to believe they didn't get value for money."

Seems a fair few have though.

scoea Posted on 24/6 20:41
re: 13,000 season ticket renewals

I have said this before but I honestly don't think the level of entertainment ever comes into a decision to buy a season ticket. Our highest attendances over the last ten or so years came when we were playing some of the worst football I've seen.

People rave about the 96/97 season. It wasn't good football no matter how it is dressed up. For the most part we were shambolic, work shy and toothless. It was probably the most frustrating season I have endured.

Look at the 99/00 season that Fischer refers to. Some awful football and yet we were selling out.

The only thing that will get crowds back is winning. Nothing else. You can talk about ticket prices, price of beer, over saturation (which is clearly having an effect), entertainment and of course they can be used as reasons not to go. Ultimately though all of those issues are put to one side if we are winning.

Turner_86 Posted on 24/6 20:42
re: 13,000 season ticket renewals

You should read my posts properly.

For the 3rd or 4th time, I sympothise with people who can't go every week.

I'm talking about how 10,000 fans can suddenly go missing, and for what reason?

FFS, it has nothing to do with what people do or how much they earn, I'm sure most Middlesbrough fans don't just pay fot their tickets like it's just pocket money, but you have a whole year to save up £400.

boro74 Posted on 24/6 20:48
re: 13,000 season ticket renewals

It's a vicious circle. Low crowds mean a worse atmosphere. Which lessens the enjoyment and some stop coming, and so on.

elnino1 Posted on 24/6 20:51
re: 13,000 season ticket renewals

Maybe something else to throw into the mix here.

Maybe it's just me, but since we won the Carling Cup and then got to the UEFA final, it's never been quite the same.

I'm not sure why, but maybe subconsciously I don't think it'll ever be that good again, so I've lost some of my buzz????

Definately doesn't feel like it used to though.

joseph99 Posted on 24/6 21:00
re: 13,000 season ticket renewals

Can anyone explain the incentive to renew when you can PAYG?

jd1973 Posted on 24/6 21:00
re: 13,000 season ticket renewals

IMO, I've heard every possible excuse, down to the football not bing entertaining, which is rubbish, too expensive, since when? For certain people yes, but for 10,000 people to suddenly decide it's too expensive, why did they ever buy one in the past. It's on the telly in the pub, how much money do they spend on booze in the pub? The club don't spend the money they used to, when we've still been in the top half of the league for spending money on players, and have spent 9 million already this summer.

All rubbish excuses.

It just seems as though there is an attitude on Teesside towards the football club, of people being determined to put them down and refuse to go for whatever reason they can.

There you go, I've even pasted your message back up for you.

See that bit at the end - refuse to go for whatever reason?

That reads like you are having a go at all fans who don't go regularly regardless of their reason. Hell there are people on this boad who post regularly and live 5,000 miles away. They could fly back every week and go if they really were a fan eh?

Anyway can you let me know how many I scored out of 5 in my assumptions?

Senor_Chester Posted on 24/6 21:03
re: 13,000 season ticket renewals

I 'may' agree with scoea!

Turner_86 Posted on 24/6 21:03
re: 13,000 season ticket renewals

Well, not very well, since you clearly only chose to read the bits that suited your childish rant.

I was referring to the people who come on here, and say that's my last season because the football is rubbish, Gibson broke his promise and gave us a rubbish manager etc. etc.

CesurYurek Posted on 24/6 21:06
re: 13,000 season ticket renewals

is it just me or is turner the thickest none troll/joke poster on here? He spouts some real crap.

Turner_86 Posted on 24/6 21:06
re: 13,000 season ticket renewals

Why?

Back it up then, which bit of what I've said is crap?

jd1973 Posted on 24/6 21:07
re: 13,000 season ticket renewals

Childish rant? Thought I was quite lucid and coherent for a change. Picking out the points that suited it? Well of course I would, that's what debate and argument is about isn't it?

Never mind.

Go on, forget your pride and tell me...you know you want to. I'm guessing at least 3 were right.

Turner_86 Posted on 24/6 21:10
re: 13,000 season ticket renewals

Not really, because your argument has no point.

Your saying I'm having a go at you because you can't afford to go every week, when I've told you, and can pull out 3 quotes that I've made on this thread, that I'm not.

So it's a bit pointless going on about it.

Senor_Chester Posted on 24/6 21:11
re: 13,000 season ticket renewals

Your mistaake was assuming he had friends!

;)

McLeans_Mick Posted on 24/6 21:11
re: 13,000 season ticket renewals

Not out of my arris at all Im afraid. Give or take a few hundred. Prisoner - There has been 2000 new applicants. 20000 is still 10% down on last years which is worrying
Cesue-If you want a friendly £100 bet that out of Blackburn, Wigan and us, who will have the highest average attendance please say now.

Turner_86 Posted on 24/6 21:13
re: 13,000 season ticket renewals

I'm not going to tell you because it's none of your business, and bares no relevance to this thread at all.

Every fan has different comittments, earns a different wage and spends it how they like.

jd1973 Posted on 24/6 21:16
re: 13,000 season ticket renewals

Equally I could show you numerous points you've made on this thread where you seem to be accusing those who choose not to go to the match of not being true fans.

Surely everyone has a right to an opinion, and is free to choose whatever course of action they desire (within the confines of law and order, and general will)?

Didn't say you were having a go at me, just proffering myself as an example of someone who can afford to go every match but chooses not to, which seems to annoy you for some reason.

Go on, it's the one about the mates isn't it?

Turner_86 Posted on 24/6 21:20
re: 13,000 season ticket renewals

You don't annoy me, nor does any other individual on this thread or any thread.

Regardless of what you may think judging by your replies, I'm far too mature to let your petty insults rattle me.

The one thing that annoys me and I'm yet to find the answer to, is why there are 10,000 empty seats at the Riverside, surely you would like to see them full too?

But I've not heard one genuine argumment that I really believe is the answer.

andymfcok Posted on 24/6 21:20
re: 13,000 season ticket renewals

Mat - took the words right out of my mouth. There is not a place in the country, man for man, which is more passionate the Teesside.

I can remember doing a course at Northumbria Uni, (The Poly) as it was then. Out of 25 in the class, about 4 had been to a match, but not all the time, the rest just basically knew they had a team, but couldn't care less. A similar course at Teesside Uni and even the girls knew all about the Boro players and most of the lads went to the match regularly.

Red_Clowne Posted on 24/6 21:20
re: 13,000 season ticket renewals

Kerching!


jd1973 Posted on 24/6 21:48
re: 13,000 season ticket renewals

Yours isn't a genuine argument either.

Here are my thoughts.

In my time of supporting Boro we have fantastic support when the Teesside vs the world mentality and subsequent feel good factor kicks in as one is doffed over the instigators of our downtrodden existence.

1986-87-88-89-90

Bruce Rioch's Boro born lads gain 2 promotions totally against the odds. Who recalls that we were favourites for relegation at the start of the 86-87 season, yet played attacking, attractive football despite the relative inexperience and thin squad?

Even after relegation, and during Todd's tenure Teesside believed that the them and us mentality could come back.

The Lawrence years are remembered for the takeover battle and some fights at Ayresome between the pro and anti Lennie factions. Attendances sank because we had regained our rightful place as a yo-yo club. We had no hope and no real history.

Once Gibbo won the takeover battle and installed Robbo, the feelgood factor came back in. £1m signings, international signings, promotion, new ground, the best young player in the world according to Pele, plus the incumbent of the Brazilian no 10 shirt, the most famous in football....then the FA screwed us and once again the them and us mentality was back.

The relegation, the cup finals (Festa's disallowed goal, Leicesters hatchet job on Juninho and undeserved late eqauliser) strengthened the opinion, and the corners were filled in to meet demand despite relegation.

Robbo continued along his merry way, and after he had gone with some serious unrest Mac came in.

Attendances held up despite price rises, mediocre performances and poor signings. Amd why? Because Boro fans had now had the carrot of success dangled in front of them. Yes we had lost 3 finals in 2 years, but there was now hope, real hope we were on the verge of something exceptional.

And we were....the CC win exorcised over a hundred years of demons, and gave us entry to Europe for the first time. The first season in Europe was great, as it was new to us all, but maybe, just maybe, something died at Cardiff on the 29th Feb 2004. The excitement level builds, as does the atmosphere when we are up against it (Steaua/Basle)

We could never again win our first major trophy. We had missed our real chance of breaking into the elite of the PL during late 90's, early 00's. If anyone outside of the current top 4 win the title in the next 20 years I'd be surprised (unless a European league becomes a reality). Maybe once every 3 years a non-top 4 club will reach a Cup Final, only to be soundly beaten on the day.

The Teesside v the world mentality is the one thing I've noticed dictates the passion and energy of the crowd. Recapturing that feeling is the way to bring the missing thousands back.

McLeans_Mick Posted on 24/6 21:52
re: 13,000 season ticket renewals

Nice century though

sasboro Posted on 24/6 22:04
re: 13,000 season ticket renewals

half the ticket prices, or even offer a half price season ticket to someone who already has a season ticket. keith lamb said a couple of years ago that he sees the future of tickets being subsidised by tv money. Now is probably is the time when his comments need to be turned into reality.

Club should have halved season ticket prices provided you bought it before 1st june. that would secure a rush and a sell out.

fans are feeling alienated from clubs and the that greed of players and agents creaming off the money is slowly chipping away at fans loyalty. its turning fans away.

alsdo a major problem is that people get older or move out of the area and naturally stop renewing due to circumstances but because ticket prices are too expensive people arnt getitng a season ticket in their late teens and early 20s as its too expensive and there are lots more things to spend your money on. football is competing with a lot of other forms of entertainment and hobbies. also a small effect is people outgoings have gone up a lot in recent years,especially home owners-such as coucnil tax, energy bills and mortgage repayments.

not everyone in the area can afford to pay these ticket prices. some fans move downsouth and it becomes an expensive day trip out. petrol,food and drink can cost £100. i think the club suffered from a lot of games being moved to sundays in the eufa cup season.

but basically its just too expensive and fans are getting p1ssed off with everyone taking their slice of the pie and the high wages

joseph99 Posted on 24/6 22:33
re: 13,000 season ticket renewals

Can anyone remind me of the incentive or financial value to renew this season as opposed to PAYG?

Derby_Red Posted on 25/6 12:31
re: 13,000 season ticket renewals

"The Teesside v the world mentality is the one thing I've noticed dictates the passion and energy of the crowd."

That's bang on, that is.

attonBORO Posted on 25/6 12:43
re: 13,000 season ticket renewals

the truth is that we have a much smaller and much less affluent population than the "bigger" clubs we talk about. Someone on a low wage will struggle to find £400 for a ST esp when it means sacrificing a family holiday....There are equally less well off people in the major population centres but there are equally more people who can afford them!!

I still think that we should have better support tho

my 31st year with a ST

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 25/6 13:01
re: 13,000 season ticket renewals

As one of those that gave up the season ticket....back in 2003. Here's some of the reasons why. I'll put them in order.

1. The games were predominantly dull.
2. The games were overpriced.
3. I was sat in the same place, no variety, week in, week out.

As a result of the dour football, the atmosphere disappeared, having said that, I can live without roaring lunatics if the football's good.

I won't have any of this 'the club deserve' rubbish. The club are a business, they get what they deserve. If they're putting on a show we'll be there, if not, forget it.

Stop putting the cart before the horse. We started going to football because it was the best entertainment on offer. Over the last 7 or 8 years, for the majority of the time, a walk on the moors has been more exciting.

It takes a lot to break the shackles, losing the red book is not an easy decision to make. There's a lot making it, long time followers have had enough.

Instead of shaking your head at them, ask why they've done it. A lot of them have spent a lot more time following Boro than the majority of fans criticising them. They've also been through worse times, the closure, 2 third dividion spells, the dreadful early 80's.

Those fellas deserve medals, or their own wards at St.Lukes....not criticism from a few Johnny Come Lately's.

Boromart Posted on 25/6 13:02
re: 13,000 season ticket renewals

Sas, you never did economics at school or an MBA did you?

Why on earth would the club, a business, reduce it's prices by half? It would make less money. The result would be an inferior quality of player joining the side, resulting in certain relegation, followed by more fans giving up.

We couldn't make a unilateral stance against ST prices, it would only work with the support of about 15 other prem clubs....and that ain't gonna happen because they are all being bought out by venture capital companies and individuals who can see a lot of cream to skim of the top.

In a utopian world reduced prices are a great idea, in the real world we wouldn't be able to compete with the mid-table prem sides, it would be a disaster.

ccole Posted on 25/6 13:07
re: 13,000 season ticket renewals

“Can anyone remind me of the incentive or financial value to renew this season as opposed to PAYG?”

Yes. It invests money up front in our club, which then allows the chairman to know what level of investment he has to play with. The down side of not paying up front is that the clubs gets in players of less quality, which effects results. This then leads to those who PAYG going to less games because we are not winning and they are not happy because of the poor quality of players they are watching.



Why are our gates dipping? The novelty factor has worn off premiership football after 10 years in the top flight. Boro was the first club with the new stadium and plastic fans, setting the benchmark that many other teams followed. We are now leading the trend again, in fans leaving.

Look at teams promoted, Birmingham for example. First year up and they bring 2500 to the Riverside. Third year up, and the following was down to 500. West Brom the same. Not having a go at these teams, but many fans are saying, “been there done that, why go again”. It’s the same with there home gates.


What disappoints me is that it would have been nice for MFC to try and do something revolutionary in trying to address the problem. Kid’s season ticket prices for £50? Free cup games for Season ticket holders? Use some of the increased Sky money to cover the cost?

Look at how many kids are at the cup games when its cheap. They want to come, lets work harder to get them.

--- Post edited by ccole on 25/6 13:23 ---

POOT Posted on 25/6 13:22
re: 13,000 season ticket renewals

one of other point what people forget now even compared to the boom in 96/97, is many people now dont go to the games, as they are forever fu*king changing the days of games to Sunday at the drop of a hat, depending on situations in europe and that pis1es people off. So you get less people getting season tickets.

Decrease in Season tickets in itself is not always bad, as it is partly influenced by increase in work pressure to work overtime, shift patterns etc. I for one work about 1/2 of the days on saturday with shifts so what is the point of getting a season ticket, you are forced to pick and choose matches. What is important is end of season crowds, and they are decreasing by us a club but no more than all other clubs.

Dont forget in 96/97 football was at least slightly less predictable. Now you may as well be crowned champions for being 5th if you arent Arse, L'Pool, ManuRE and Chelski. Dare you look at average crowds for all other clubs in Portugal outside SL, Ben and Por?? Maybe thats why crowds are down.

Dont start all selling into this £400 for season ticket, as tho its now big deal wither Turner. For a family of 4 interested in football including travel and food at matches, its going to cost £2000, without intenses pressures to buy goods for the kids through advertising.

Is it really more important than a family holiday if push comes to shove and you have £2000 left to budget??

guyb Posted on 25/6 13:25
re: 13,000 season ticket renewals

Bullsht.

There will be at least 20,000.

sasboro Posted on 25/6 13:32
re: 13,000 season ticket renewals

Boromart, you have hit the nail on the head. its not a football club for the community anymore it is a business to maximimise its revenue. Gibson is a great guy but its not anymore a football club for the people. Thats what is turning fans away.

Here is a surprise for you to build a half decent team in the premier league you dont have to spent lots of money. Not every team spents lots of money to be as good as mid table. Its more down to good management and scouts and coaching staff.

its time the club woke up and gave the club back to the fans, or atleast make the fans feel part of teh club.

Said it before but MFC has no relation to the town anymore apart from in name and when the players come to play at the stadium once every 2 weeks. The majority of the players dont even live in middlesbrough they live miles away, the training ground is nearer darlington than middlesbough.

Gibson is meant to be one of us but he doesnt seem that bothered about attracting the fans back. He is so out of touch with the fans now.

With supply and demand, the price of the product has to drop when demand falls.when demand outstrips supply then the club can put up prices like at manutd.

tinysam Posted on 25/6 16:51
re: 13,000 season ticket renewals

the cost of living has gone up but pays have not at the same rate . as a ticket holder for 10yr and the 7yr old for 1 time had come to not reneiw simply not got £510 spare, not got spare for sky let alone for season ticket as that has gone . i bet other holders are in the same way so you have to cut back where you can . yes i do have i job

glippy Posted on 25/6 16:58
re: 13,000 season ticket renewals

'the truth is that we have a much smaller and much less affluent population than the "bigger" clubs we talk about. Someone on a low wage will struggle to find £400 for a ST'

There seems to be no shortage of money in the area when it comes to drinking and smoking to excess.

gibson Posted on 25/6 16:58
re: 13,000 season ticket renewals

Fans will come back if we start making the top six spot in the prem.

We have been a cup team for a couple of seasons now.

Winston_Spangler Posted on 25/6 17:02
re: 13,000 season ticket renewals

I'm with Cole on this. Look at the games where we've had cheaper tickets. Was it Charlton just before Christmas where we basically sold out and there was still people trying to get into the South Stand half an hour in? Football's pricing has taken it away from the working class people who cherish it the most and attendances are naturally falling.

ccole Posted on 25/6 17:22
re: 13,000 season ticket renewals

“It’s not a football club for the community anymore it is a business to maximise its revenue”

I wasn’t aware that the Willie Maddren Centre and Herlingshaw centre had closed down? I know Boro Ladies were based in Eston as well. These were two excellent projects set up for the club for the people and kids of the area.

When was the football club part of the community SAS? Can you give some examples of when this was and what it did? I know you will be able too as you not the type of poster on here to post idiotic drivel to try and make a point?

AtomicLoonybin Posted on 25/6 17:31
re: 13,000 season ticket renewals

Good thread this.

Personally, I'd have liked to see ST prices go down by about a third this year. I think that would have brought people flooding in - and better a full stadium with reduced revenue than a three-quarter full one of those who can afford it.

There's no point to this thread though - all on here are uber-fans whether ST holders or lapsed ones. We know what the Boro is and what it means. It's the lads and lasses who might be a bit indifferent about the Boro, and have no idea what FMTTM is, that the club need to get to - turn all those possibles into probables. The product at the price it is therefore - as has been said - clearly cannot be attractive because they're not exactly storming the ticket office.

No matter how distasteful that is to a lot of us, unfortunately that is the way things are.

What I would like to know though is how much of my money is going on a golf course and hotel in Darlington.

ccole Posted on 25/6 17:34
re: 13,000 season ticket renewals

I would be more interested to know, after the initial investment, how much that hotel and golf course will make our club?

indestructible Posted on 25/6 17:41
re: 13,000 season ticket renewals

The way I look at it, we have more season ticket holders than we did in our last season at Ayresome. Only the hardcore fans went then and only the hardcore fans go now. The whole buzz around the club which happened in the mid-90s is long gone and only occured because we moved to a new ground and had an England legend as manager (and was the only reason the ground capacity was increased).

We're back to normal now. I'll be there next season, and will leave the people who whinge about "dour football" to reminisce about the "elation" of the 96-97 season. That is the only season I can recall us playing particularly attacking football and we got relegated. Oh the irony.

--- Post edited by indestructible on 25/6 17:42 ---

rob_fmttm Posted on 25/6 17:44
re: 13,000 season ticket renewals

Nail maybe on head there ccole.

sas - maybe not in the sense you mean but Boro is THE community club in the Premiership possibly in the country. I'm talking in terms of work in the community. It is on a scale and scope at this club quite beyond any of the other major clubs. A fact that was recognised by a government minister visiting at the end of the season.

MFC money, resources and more importantly the name and badge of the club is directly responsible now for helping to increase literacy, education and giving new opportunities to the deprived, underprivileged and excluded youth of Teesside. Included is work with every single school in the area to improve education, health etc. Some of the improvements made are now measureable in terms of things like exam results etc. That is what I call a real community club.

--- Post edited by rob_fmttm on 25/6 17:45 ---

Link: Community Pride

MFC_2004 Posted on 25/6 17:45
re: 13,000 season ticket renewals

Rob - Is this 13000 figure true then mate?

rob_fmttm Posted on 25/6 17:49
re: 13,000 season ticket renewals

I've no idea how many have re-applied but then again maybe no one else knows yet either including MFC staff.

karembeu_ca Posted on 25/6 17:50
re: 13,000 season ticket renewals

"all those who buy a season ticket which turns out not to be value for money have a right to moan"

hughie, that's the strangest and silliest post on here in a LONG time imho. the season ticket does not entitle you to, or guarantee, entertainment, winning, or goals. it entitles you to entry for the game. if you are comparing the entertainment value to other entertainment money spent, that's fine - but it's not the point of going to the games. and to be honest, blindly supporting the club *IS* the point - unless they are robbing you blind like Fat Fred etc.

lower league fans still go to games and follow their team regardless of prem status, or winning trophies. when did Boro fans get given some god-given right to expect entertainment, winning, and such with their ticket??? I was born in Boro, and if I lived over there would do my best, family permitting, to get to every game I could. you lot should feel priveleged to at least have the option of going to the games.

indestructible Posted on 25/6 18:13
re: 13,000 season ticket renewals

"when did Boro fans get given some god-given right to expect entertainment, winning, and such with their ticket?"

Totally agree karembeu. I have been going to Boro since 1990 and I don't expect it to come included in the price of the ticket. Guess the sixties, seventies and eighties were better than our league positions suggest for a lot of fans.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 25/6 18:17
re: 13,000 season ticket renewals

Only parts of them, but they certainly were.

Winston_Spangler Posted on 25/6 18:19
re: 13,000 season ticket renewals

I think it's just complacency. We're taking for granted Premiership football (And European football when we were in that as well). Like druggies, we're searching for bigger more intense thrills. The thing is though, I went to more European away games than home ones. Why? Because the Riverside atmosphere is poor. I'd rather go to more away games next season than have a season ticket.

--- Post edited by Winston_Spangler on 25/6 18:19 ---

indestructible Posted on 25/6 18:19
re: 13,000 season ticket renewals

I'll take your word for it CTC, but I find it surprising given that we had no European football or major trophies to show for it.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 25/6 18:28
re: 13,000 season ticket renewals

That's true, so you tell me what's missing? Or are you another that's saying those drifting away are wrong? There's something not right....you regulars can't be bothered to get behind the team, it was like a library for the games I went to last season. Why's that?

indestructible Posted on 25/6 18:39
re: 13,000 season ticket renewals

There's nothing missing. We have similar attendances as we did at the best of times back then. We just have a bigger, all-seater stadium now.

Atmosphere isn't as good, granted, but I still enjoy going to the match as much as I ever did at Ayresome and the fact we've been an established Premiership side for ten seasons now does no harm either (or that we've reached 5 major cup finals in the last ten years).

I can't believe the football was that much better in those decades to be honest.

RedWurzel Posted on 25/6 18:54
re: 13,000 season ticket renewals

Alot of valid points made.

I add another that has been said in the past about the ground capacity. If it was still 30k we would sell more season tickets. The guaranteed seat was a big selling point, now everyone knows you can buy tickets for any game without a worry if you are not fussy where you want to sit.

On family ticket pricing I thought the price of childrens season tickets were reduced last season to help families and make it less expensive than when were selling close to 30k season tickets.

I think there is a bit of a fashion thing amongst Boro fans and its not the fashionable thing to be a season ticket holder at the moment. The buzz is 50% gone I agree and its more a routine activity to go to the Riverside now for the more hardcore. Its as though there is a cycle and we are in a bit of a dip which happened in the past too

Dip years 71/73
Dip years 80/86
Dip years 91/94 (even with promotion)
Dip years 2006?

My philosphy is that the club should price the stadium to get crowds of 33,000 plus which would have meant a price reduction this season in the same manner of Wigan and Blackburn. We needed to increase crowds by 5000 on top of 28000 or by 17%, so a price reduction of that order was probably needed to create a buzz or possibly even more. The alternative is to freeze prices and sign big. To date the average Boro fan doesn't seem to believe the sign big campaign, if the season ticket sales are only 15000.

Even though our season ticket sales have dropped possibly by 12 to 15k average attendances have kept staying in a 28k to 33.5k band, so fans are still going in the main.

toshino Posted on 25/6 21:27
re: 13,000 season ticket renewals

There is some absoloute misty eyed boll**cks talked about the Ayresome Park experience. I witnessed lots of awful games, low crowds, bad atmospheres, dire facillities, booing, whingeing, moaning on and on and that was when we won.

The "Chicken Run" mentality has been endemic at the Riverside in the last few years and and I have realised for some time that this carcinogenic mindset seems to be a congenital affliction in many a Teesside psyche.

I also despair at those that list their reasons to be uncheerful,( a litany of loathing for the club in some cases), these conditional fans will always look for reasons to rationalise their miserable, weak, fickle and wretched attitudes towards the Boro.

C.T.C. nostalgia is just not what it used to be, is it?

boro74 Posted on 25/6 21:53
re: 13,000 season ticket renewals

If every home game was on a saturday afternoon we might sell more tickets. It must be frustrating for fans with season tickets when the games get changed to dates or times when they can't attend.

Boromart Posted on 25/6 22:16
re: 13,000 season ticket renewals

sasboro, I personally think our club is run less as a business than most other prem clubs. As rob pointed out we are a community club, we have lots of local players in the squad, the chairman and chief exec are locals, the majority of the fans are from the locale. I don't know how we could be more of a community club.

Maximising revenue and being a community club are NOT mutually exclusive. Do you feel that the club should throw £100,000s at community project rather than transfers?

"Gibson is a great guy but its not anymore a football club for the people. Thats what is turning fans away. "
the fans are turning away for a number of reasons, of which I would suspect the lack of community is one of the least important, my opinion in no particular order:-

1 - cost
2 - quality of product
3 - the lack of competitiveness in the prem
4 - the fact that the premier league is now a trading ground for investment companies.
5 - a general lack of an attacking figurehead in the side.
6 - limitation of our catchment area.
"
Here is a surprise for you to build a half decent team in the premier league you dont have to spent lots of money."
Well other than bolton who have done well for about 4 seasons, no one else has managed to dowhat you claim, for a sustained period of time. And midtable isn't exactly success in sporting terms, that in itself is one of the major reasons why football will eat itself.

"With supply and demand, the price of the product has to drop when demand falls.when demand outstrips supply then the club can put up prices like at manutd."
There is no point in comparing our economics with Man Utd, they are a global brand, we are a local brand. It's like comparing the local corner shop with Tesco. The fact is that Gibbo is an experienced businessman, I'm sure they have done the calculations and projections to work out the best income.

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Fischer Posted on 25/6 22:29
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"There's no point to this thread though - all on here are uber-fans whether ST holders or lapsed ones. We know what the Boro is and what it means. It's the lads and lasses who might be a bit indifferent about the Boro, and have no idea what FMTTM is, that the club need to get to - turn all those possibles into probables. The product at the price it is therefore - as has been said - clearly cannot be attractive because they're not exactly storming the ticket office"

Absolutely bang on, Mr Loonybin. It's easy to overestimate Boro's hardcore loyal followers - those that will come to every match regardless of price, quality of football, opposition and perceived glamour. How many of those do we have? The only way to judge is surely to look at our lowest attendances in recent years - and going on that, the answer looks to be somewhere between five and ten thousand.

So to fill the stadium you're looking at attracting at least 20,000 floating voters who'll go if all the conditions are right. It's pointless banging on about loyalty to them, because they don't have any... that's not a accusation, it's just a fact. Boro's not their Number 1 priority in life, and if it's cheaper/easier/more fun to watch it down the pub or - gasp - not at all, then they'll do that instead.

But like all football clubs of our size, we can't exist without them. They've been drifting away for several years now, and we need to be using that huge influx of TV money to bring them back - whether that's by slashing ticket prices, or blamming it on breathtaking signings, or a combination of both these things and lots of others as well. It doesn't seem to be happening so far, but it needs to, and quickly.

ThePerfectOmlette Posted on 25/6 22:44
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i will be there and couldn't really give a toss how many others are,
Judging by mates who have stopped going over the years, their reasons,

1) rubbish atmoshphere, caused by
--------a) OTT Stewarding,
--------b) Not many people being their, caused by
----------------i) Poor Value for money (not price)
----------------ii) work commitment's, the majority of workplaces in Middlesbrough especially as starter jobs for those leaving school or college, usually have people working weekend shifts, ie Garlands-fooking-call-centers. (They should make a deal MFC and arrange to give ST holders Saturdays off or summet, that would get half of Garlands etc down the ticket office, even if they don't follow the boro,)

sasboro Posted on 25/6 23:26
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like to see all the loyal fans paying the cheapest prices in the north stand moving to the upper east stand. that way it allows the cheap tickets to be available to the fans that cant afford the more expensive seats. also encourage some fans to come back. whats another £150 or so to a loyal fan who goes no matter what?

ideally i would like all prices to be £15 for an adult and £5-£10 for kids and it doesnt matter which part of the ground it is.

Club should bin the category games, because they dont work anymore. how can you persuade a fan who sometimes goes to spend £40 on a ticket? Surely he will take the easy option and watch it in the pub or not bother at all. if they do bother then they might just sacrifice two cheaper games.

CLub needs to decide if it is in it for the business and revenue or in it for the town. ie low crowds high ticket revenue or large crowd and less ticket revenue.

Club probably sets a target revenue every season which is an increase on the previous season.

keith lamb did tell us that one day he see tickets being subsidised by tv money, so maybe this is the time.

Time to give teh club back to the fans and town

Boromart Posted on 26/6 0:36
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Sas, you seem focused almost entirely on reducing tickets (to far lower levels than any other prem team and many championship sides) as a way to fill the ground, which in your terms seems to equate to success (your sounding like a Jawdee wannabee!). Would you be happy watching a Boro team struggle at the bottom of the championship? Because with limitations you would put on our income thats what would happen.

If not then could you please explain how on earth we are to have a regular prem side while reducing the wage bill further and obliterating our transfer budget?

you claim again that we are a business not a community club, as if the two things are mutually exclusive. Yet our chairman has stated, on many occasions, that money is not taken out of the club. Everything is ploughed back in, that isn't a business mentality. Businesses exist to make profit, MFC exist to win matches and anyone that complains about the way the clubs finances are currently run really needs to give their head a shake and think back to the early-80s.

We are not one of these clubs owned by some faceless investment firm, or by some foreign 'investor/speculator'. They are the ones that are no longer part of a community.

What else can the chairman do, he is refusing to even draw a wage from the club, how is that out of touch with the people. This concept that people are turning away because the club is not a community club is a falicy anyway. Manure aren't a community club but people turn up in droves. Spurs, the players don't live anywhere near the stadium yet people turn up. Chelsea, the training ground is miles away and the players unaproachable, yet full houses.

You seem to want some unrealistic Nirvana, where we pay 1986 prices, while watching a team of young free signings, who live in TS1, and hold their own in the prem. If you reduce our income to Watfords level, then you will get a relegatied team. Yes Bolton have done well on a fixed budget, but eventually they will sink again and for every Bolton there are 10 Watford, Bradford or Swindons. For your Readings, see teams like Ipswich and Norwich who after a good year plummet, because the investment isn't there.

Good players cost a lot of money, and if we don't pay, then someone else will, leaving us with the championship standard players.



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joseph99 Posted on 26/6 6:58
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“Can anyone remind me of the incentive or financial value to renew this season as opposed to PAYG?”

Yes. It invests money up front in our club, which then allows the chairman to know what level of investment he has to play with. The down side of not paying up front is that the clubs gets in players of less quality, which effects results. This then leads to those who PAYG going to less games because we are not winning and they are not happy because of the poor quality of players they are watching.

Not really a convincing answer and one based on red and white tinted glasses. A couple of things: I'd lose an excessive ammount of sleep if I thought too much about the money I had given indirectly for the Massimo project. Secondly, the difference in revenue that a ST v PAYG will generate for the club is trivial. Middlesbrough is a poorly paid area and those that get decent jobs with a decent salary have to either live away from the area or travel excessivly. MFC is a business and the business needs to recognise it's customers. MFC recognises SKY, but it has neglected the fans.

MFC in the community: "Boro is THE community club in the Premiership possibly in the country" Are you suggesting that the project is driven by charity donations by Gibson, is self-funding or does not rely on local grants and sponsorships from local government to survive?

In addition: as a red-book holder "MFC in the community" refused to allow me to use their toilet facilities at the stadium when I was there to buy a cup-match ticket last season and experiencing a sudden bout of the trots. Nice community spirit!!

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 26/6 8:23
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Maybe the faith is just not there any more for me.

I don't think all was rosy back to the days of Ayresome, we had good times, we had bad times. A better team than we have now but for most of the time worse, a lot worse. But it's not about league position or cups. I was happy following through two relegations to the 3rd division, mediocre stuff in the 2nd division. Anglo Scottish cup away matches, daft friendlies, the lot. Why not now?

What's all this about 'chicken run mentality'? Giving the team stick when it's due is all part of the game. The Holgate as much as the south terrace used to give the team stick, all part of the pantomime of football. Are you really so soft now that you can't bear your beloved team to be criticised? Has the prawn sandwich man conquered the Riverside?

Some of you fellas get really defensive when criticism comes along, chill out, it's the way some of us feel.

sasboro Posted on 26/6 9:27
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boromart, when are you going to listen? you dont need pots of money to be a mid table team in the premier league. it is more important to have the correct manager,coaches and scouts..that is more impoortant

The club have to reduce the triket prices if they want people to come back. the supply outstrips demand so they will not come back if the prices remain the same. Take prices back down to the level of 1996 and you stand a chance of bringing the crowds back. Football shouldnt be just about maximising the revenue from ticket sales. next year the clubs will get a big chunk of money from tv deals, so dont see why this cant get passed onto the fans. Where else is that money going to go? high wages on players,fees to agents and over inflated transfer fees. clubs will take bigger risk on signing and waste even more money.

boromart you might be one of those fans who would happily pay high prices for a season ticket, but with the continue fall in ticket sales suggest not everyone else will. how else are you going to attract people to the ground if the ticket prices are too high?

the club have to ask themselves, do they want to just maximimise the ticket revenue or do they want to fill the stadium? Personally i feel,its their duty to fill the stadium and with the new tv money on the horizon then they have no excuse to not reduce the prices drastically.

Boromart Posted on 26/6 9:32
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"The club have to reduce the triket prices if they want people to come back......Personally i feel,its their duty to fill the stadium" - and there lies your problem. The reason a football club exists is to win football matches, not to fill the stadium. If filling the stadium reduces the ability to win matches then it won't, and shouldn't happen.

You seem to be letting the Jawdees who wind up about attendances disturb your perceptions. Ignore them, you don't win trophies for filling the ground out. If it was a choice between winning the carling cup or filling the stadium out, I'll take the carling cup thank you very much.

...and grow up lad with the when will you listen stuff. I listen and don't agree with you.




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sasboro Posted on 26/6 9:40
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you dont get what i am on about do you? This is what is p1ssing some fans off. the club just want to take as much as they can off the fans. The club represents the fans and its their duty to serve the fans. I still havent seen you give a better solution to bringing fans back. A £10 reduction of every nmatch ticket for a season ticket holders will cost the club about £4-5 million. but then it would be less than £4 million because more people would get a season ticket .it seems a lot but with that extra £30 million tv money coming through soon its not really that much. then there will be the increase in the next uk tv deal.do you really think that £4million will be the difference between finishing mid table and top6?

I will repeat again that keith lamb said a year or 2 ago that he sees tv money subsidising ticket prices..maybe that time has come.

Do you not read this board or listen to friends who say they have stopped going because the cost of a ticket is too high? I know people who have stopped going because they think its too expensive.

if blackburn finish above us will you happy to admit that we can reduce ticket prices without it effecting our league position?

"...and grow up lad with the when will you listen stuff. I listen and don't agree with you."

..no need to get all childish when its a serious topic

i'm looking forward to you putting forward your solution to selling more tickets.

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marskephil Posted on 26/6 9:51
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Got to agree with C the Cat yes the team or the stadium in the late 70,'s 80's and 90's were not as good as now but what we had then was a love of the club in defeatism and an, "us against the world" mentality that we will never get back. As a team we were at times utter shyte and the crowd then especially in the chicken run never stopped shouting and balling at the players. In fact it was part of the day out at Ayresome to have a good whinge. The thing is I felt much more part of the club then more than I ever will again I think. And it's not to me about money. Percentage wise every penny I had then went on the Boro andI'd give up anything for them,(including my first marriage) where as now it's only a small proportion of most peoples available spending money. The thing is although we would whinge and whine on if anybody else outside the club tried to put us down then we would stand up for Boro no matter what even though we never really had much to back us up where as now we have been succesful I sometimes find it hard to disagree with some of the things that are said about us. As my old man once said " too much money will ruin the game for the ordiary fan" I think he was right in a way because now the players are far to removed from reality. maybe with some of the local lads in the team we#ll get the pride back and not have these money grabbing twats bleeding the club dry kissing their shirts when they score to look like they care. I for one think this could be a good season but until the club gets back to it's roots we will never get the fans back. Gone are the days of having a laugh at the match. Get standing areas back and tell the stewards they are not plastic policemen and things might improve in the ground regarding atmosphere.

Boromart Posted on 26/6 9:54
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Sas, I get what you are saying, but I believe a football club exists first and foremost to win games. you believe differantly.

I don't have a ny problem with the club taking money of the fans, would you be happier if we became an amateur club, the players don't get paid, and then the fans can come for free?

You say I haven't given a better solution to bringing back fans? Well in my time as a fan 25+ years we have only had regular 30K+ sellouts in one period.....when we got promoted under Robbo and had TLF. Without some iconic figurehead and strong optimism we will not have sellouts.

I would of course love for us to have sellouts, but the reality is that if you reduce the prices, there is no guarentee that enough people will come back through the gates to make up the shortfall. It would be a 4-5million pound gamble. 5 mill can get you a hell of a good right winger.

I agree that the TV money could be used to reduce tickets......but it cannot be done unilatiraly by Boro without damaging our financial powers. If another 8-10 clubs did it, then yes we should. But since teams like Spurs, Everton and Newcastle are not doing it them we cannot afford to. If we allow those teams to go further ahead financially we will be cut adrift of them.

I understand that some people have stopped going because of the price, and I understand that some people claim that price is the reason they have stopped going....but I believe that if we signed TLF mark II tommorow a large number of them would suddenly find the money.

If blackburn finish above us? well it will take a couple of seasons for the loss in revenue to kick in, give it 3 years and if Blackburns reduced price policy continues, and they are not bought out, then they will likely be relegation fodder.

Boromart Posted on 26/6 9:59
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marskephil, do you not feel that the massive shift in expectation is the problem.

Boro fans used to believe that teh Boro would 'always let you down'. Then they go and get to 5 cup finals and win one. They qualify for europe, they sign some world renowned players.

This was all way above our expectations in the 80s. I remember discussing with glory manure mate of mine as a yoof. I said I would be more chuffed reaching and losing an FA cup final than he is when manure win the league....why because it was something we had never done, it was at that time an impossible dream....now it's expected that we reach at least a cup semi every season, and beat teams that cost 200mill to build. On the players front, I remerber being chuffed when we signed Peter Davenport, he had 2 england caps, so was a superstar as far as we were concerend. Now people are disgusted at the thought of signing another england striker from man utd.

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sasboro Posted on 26/6 10:03
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I'm not looking at sellouts, just making the ground more full. WHen all this extra tv money kicks in where would you think it would be spent on?

"I don't have a ny problem with the club taking money of the fans, would you be happier if we became an amateur club, the players don't get paid, and then the fans can come for free? "

all i am saying is knock a £10 of each match ticket when they club gets an extra chunk of money tv then they can pass about 15% of it onto the fans. the club can afford to do it and it will have a very limited impact on the club. whats £3m to a premier league club these days?

but when we get an extra £30m in the new tv deal we can afford to buy a winger for £20m+. where is all that money going to go? why not pass some of it onto the paying fans?

if revenue dictated how well a club did then newcastle would be about 5th in the league and so on. at our level an extra 3-4M wont really make much difference when all this tv money comes through

joseph99 Posted on 26/6 10:08
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In the Ayresome Park days kids could get a squeeze-in, and this is what generated much interest as these kids grew to be adults. There's not much chance of that happening in the new world of football and I see little effort on the part of MFC to attracting or incentivising kids and young adults to the game. Now you can watch the game in any pub internet stream - this is a killer in terms of being a spectator sport.

This is certainly a transition seasonal at MFC, both on and off the field: whether both are addressed with equal gusto remains to be seen.

Boromart Posted on 26/6 10:20
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"WHen all this extra tv money kicks in where would you think it would be spent on?"
I would ove it to be spent on the fans, but if we did that by ourselves, we would be financially handicapping ourselves.

"money tv then they can pass about 15% of it onto the fans."
It's a nice sentiment, but other clubs are cold and calculated about it, and see it is an opportunity to massively increase revenue. For some clubs this revenue will end up in the owners pockets, others will re-invest in playing staff, and you suggest we give a handout to the fans. Thats your opinion.

"the club can afford to do it and it will have a very limited impact on the club. whats £3m to a premier league club these days?" - well it isn't just 3mill, it's 3 mill per year, + any loss in position is 1 mill, so you are actaully gambling with far more than that. Over a 5 year period you would make the decision to allow Spurs to invest 15 mill more than us, just to give a bit back to the fans?

Regarding the new TV deal, well it all stinks, it's corrupting the game, and that money will end up in a) the players pockets, b) agents pockets, c) will filter through the leagues from transfers, and d) will return to the owners of the prem clubs as profit. I think there will be a hold on ticket prices across the board, but an across the board reduction, I doubt it.

"if revenue dictated how well a club did then newcastle would be about 5th in the league and so on."
If revenue was irrelevant then the phrase 'big 4' wouldn't exist. Do you think that in the current football climate we can finish above Chelsea?

Boromart Posted on 26/6 10:23
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joseph99, kids STs cost 140 quid....or £7.37 per game. What more can the club do to make it cheaper and easier for kids to come? Most kids spend double that on their mobile bills these days.

I guess they could do the odd campaign around schools to give free tix, maybe they do already I don't know.

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sasboro Posted on 26/6 10:32
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Lose in 1 position in the league is £1m pounds well someone should have told the club when we rested players against man city!

I've come to the conclusion that boromart is keith lamb feels the fans are owed nothing and cloub are entitled to keep all the riches as they need it to keep up with everyone else.

I think you are spot on where the tv deal money will go and thats why some of it needs to be givenback to the paying fans. It would be a good PR exercise. but then again clubs wont be interested as it costs them money. Fans will get peed off if teh money just disappears into the pot of greed.

anyway said my piece that the club need to reduce the prices when the next tv money comes in otherwise they risk losing even more fans and before you know it we will get crowds of 20,000 for a game against someone like fulham. Its int he clubs hands and its upto them to bite the bullet and go for it

joseph99 Posted on 26/6 10:35
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"kids STs cost 140 quid....or £7.37 per game. What more can the club do to make it cheaper and easier for kids to come?"

That £140 on top a adult ST.
Kids should be free with a full-paying adult. Most kids that go the match go with an adult anyway. Demographics, culture etc etc mean that kids are not allowed to go to games without their parents.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 26/6 10:56
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Boromart.

The potential fans don't look at buying a season ticket. They look at match costs. One off costs are far too high. A bloke who is moderately interested won't take his mad keen son if he's forking 40 or 50 quid out. Simple as that.

The spare seats at the ground should be available 48 hours prior to kick off at 20 quid with a kid free, or something like that. The season ticket holders have had their choice of seat and took it for the season, what's left is up for grabs at full price until the last 48 hours. That would fill the ground.

Boromart Posted on 26/6 10:57
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kids should be free? why? The mackems tried that about 5 or 6 years ago....those kids didn't stick with tehm when they were playing poorly. They only came back when they had a cult hero to worship - Keane.

Sas, I do feel the fans are 'owed' nothing, you buy a ticket and you get entertained (sometimes). It's a very strange choice of words to claim the club 'keep all the riches' when in fact they invest it all back in to try and give a better product, and a team to be proud of. It doesn't always work like that but hey, thats life.

Yes reducing STs would be good PR, it would also be very expensive PR. I can't think of any other company that gives up around 10% of it's revenue on PR, while operating in a cut-throat environment and without a profit.

Boromart Posted on 26/6 11:02
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"48 hours prior to kick off at 20 quid with a kid free" - resulting in ST sales of practically zero, and massive queues at the ticket office the day before the game?

I would love footy to be cheaper, but it isn't practical to reduce ticket prices without it having a knock on effect on teh product on the pitch. People are talking about 4 or 5 mill revenue loss, that is equivelant to Woodgate and Tuncay's wages. Would we be prepared to loose them both to get a full house?

joseph99 Posted on 26/6 11:06
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The Mackems will sell more ST than us this year!

MFC is relying solely on its hard-core revenue as justification not to lower prices.

As said above: lower crowds => less enjoyment => worse atmosphere => even lower crowds.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 26/6 11:10
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Of course it wouldn't be massive queues. The diehard fans will still buy their season tickets.....or are there not so many die hards after all? Would you risk hanging on for the last 48 hours and risk not getting in?

At least you didn't mention season ticket holders being penalised.

BroughtonLad Posted on 26/6 11:17
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I am sure that when Boro get off to a good start this season all the hanger on's will flock back in double quick time.
I am sure a Tuncay hatrick against Blackburn will do it.

At the end of the day fans will find the money if they want to.
How much did people spend to get to Eindhoven.
I must have spent at least £800 for me and our lass to go (Price of a ST)

Boromart Posted on 26/6 11:22
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"lower crowds => less enjoyment => worse atmosphere => even lower crowds"

The dynamics of football finance are much more complex that that. I could do an equally true statement....

lower ticket prices => lower revenue => lower quality squad => worse results/performance/entertainment => less enjoyment => worse atmosphere => lowering crowds (return back to the start)

Boromart Posted on 26/6 11:24
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joseph you are right the mackems will sell more STs than us this year, the question is why?

1. because they are on the crest of a wave, with all the optimism that brings?
2. because of ST prices?

joseph99 Posted on 26/6 11:27
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You can say that but you are ignoring all the other revenue streams that the club rely on. But at the moment there will be lower crowds next season and less revenue up front from ST sales.

For your benefit, also look up supply/demand balance for general commerce then you might have an idea where MFC should be pitching in with their pricing models to retain its customer base.

joseph99 Posted on 26/6 11:30
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Hang on a minute Boromart - you have just said that the all Mcakems kids deserted the club, but now you accept that they are coming back.

Perhaps deserting the club forces change.

marskephil Posted on 26/6 11:48
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Yes Boromart the expectations are too high when you look at what other teams spend nowadays, but when you look at the wages these so called superstars get then maybe the expectations of the new younger crowd are justified. What I was saying is like you if we got to the 5th round of the cup we were all on a massive high waiting for the cup draw on a Monday dinner time, now we wait untill the quater finals before anybody seems to get excited. The cup games for us was as now the only chance of any success and they always got the biggest crowds, unlike now where we only get decent crowds for the cups when the club come up with cheaper prices. I think that the TV times also have killed off a lot of fans interest. I, like loads of people on Teesside work away from home and it's a nightmare not knowing from one month to the next if the games are going to get switched to Sun or worse Mondays. People are almost forced to miss games because of this so why pay out for a season ticket when you know that you are going to miss games and can get a ticket for any part of the ground and for any game. I missed 6 games because of this last year and it pissis me off. The club need the money from TV so will never complain when Sky put a game on about the attendances but when Arab TV puts games on all we here about is how the crowds are affected. Absolute balls. People are sick of going not just for the crap games we've had to watch but by the way that you treat when you're there. The stewarding at Boro is a fcuk1ng disgrace. Been told to sit down or your banned, stop swearing or your banned stop having a laugh or you'll be reported, it's a fcuk1ng joke. I had my season ticket taken off me for refusing to sit 2 mins after we scored and I'm on the back row at the end of a row obstructing nobody. I'll get my season ticket again next year but for the first time in 25 years I'm starting to look and think if it's worth it.

boro74 Posted on 26/6 16:39
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Since they filled in the corners people have realised that you don't need a season ticket to get in. You can just pay on the day.
TV dictating kick off times causes people to miss matches. Thus you're financially better off paying match by match.

People then bought season tickets to be sure of a ticket for big cup games when demand outwieghed supply. This now only happens for cup finals. Even an F. A. Cup semi still had enough tickets to go round for everybody that wanted one.

The final straw was Eindhoven. There were not even enough tickets to go round the long standing season ticket holders. So what's the point of people becoming new season ticket holders?

Low season ticket sales, however, does not automatically mean low crowds. Premiership football is over priced. But if the Boro get off to a good start there will be enough people that can find the money to fill the stadium.

CesurYurek Posted on 26/6 17:03
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We have had a lot of part timers at the club come and go and if we do well they will return. There is no other way to encourage them to come back but to play well and hope to get them hooked or locked into a season ticket when we are.

The Worrying aspect IMO is that we had a core fan base of around 20,000 and seemingly 7,000 of them have been annoyed so much by the club that they have left and wont come back. Even if the games were free a lot of boro fans who had a season ticket in the last mcclarens season wouldnt come due to the way the club treated them esp regarding final tickets.

Fans who have been going for donkeys years and are older than most of the staff at Boro missed out on tickets yet Stewards got 2 each and people who have never had season tickets got them.

The Club should make an offer to them to say sorry and get them back. Any S and T season ticket holder who didnt get a ticket to the final should be offered a half price season ticket to encourage them to come back(same for the people who carried on with Season tickets but didnt get a final ticket) Thats the only way to get them back.

BTW I am not a S and T er

Bukowski_MFC Posted on 26/6 17:16
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"With supply and demand, the price of the product has to drop when demand falls"

Spot on sasboro

Eddie_Catflap Posted on 26/6 17:17
re: 13,000 season ticket renewals

"Gibson is meant to be one of us but he doesnt seem that bothered about attracting the fans back. He is so out of touch with the fans now."

I completely disagree with you there sas. The whole 'spectacular signings' stuff was an attempt to attract fans back for starters. What makes you say Gibson is so out of touch? Is it just that they didn't reduce the prices this season?

boro_4_life Posted on 26/6 17:19
re: 13,000 season ticket renewals

can i please have my say
i am a 17 yr old boro fan (iu have been since i was 9)
this however is the first season i have got a season tiket due to me not been able to afford it and i fear there are many people like me
my parents cant and wont pay for me so its not that the kids arnt following boro i know lots of them who are its becuase of the price of the tickets
it took me a year tio save for this season tiket and will take me another to get my other one im just saying the price of kids tikets are way too high