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ray192 Posted on 4/7 16:23
ARNIE CAUSING UNREST AGAIN

If you dont like it fook off you trouble causing tvvat FFS .

Link: link.

Unbelievable_Jeff Posted on 4/7 16:25
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I can see his point but he is a bit of a moaner these days.

ray192 Posted on 4/7 16:27
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He wanted out the season before last but no fooker wanted him then so why do they want him now i dont believe him .

Boro_2006 Posted on 4/7 16:28
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I agree lets get a new keeper in

A_New_Era Posted on 4/7 16:29
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the thing is, hes saying what we feel. We DO leave things too late, and it does cost us alot

But say it in a meeting behind closed doors, he will achieve nothing by gobbing off to the press

ray192 Posted on 4/7 16:30
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B_2006

Of course we'll need a keeper and i'm sure they've been on the lookout for one .

ray192 Posted on 4/7 16:32
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Esky

I agree thats how things should be done . But sadly he's causing more unrest in the team than he's worth .

heaton_mersey_boro Posted on 4/7 16:32
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Makes me laugh all this "...I've given 10 years service to the club - boo hoo" etc, as though we actually owe him something.

In the meantime he has been paid f_cking millions in the process.

Another footballer in "no grasp of reality shocker".

Bollox to him. Get a new keeper in.

ray192 Posted on 4/7 16:33
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H_M_B

Exactly right mate .

sasboro Posted on 4/7 16:34
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have to agree that when a important player reaches the last 12 months of his contract you need to get him tied into a contrat extension. you do not leave it until the last few months. If we dont want to keep him they should sell him now or offer him a 2 year deal.

kelvin_fahrenheit Posted on 4/7 16:35
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Has he ever considered that not being too eager to offer a player a new contract may reflect the importance (or lack of) of that player to the team's future plans?

A_New_Era Posted on 4/7 16:35
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no player is bigger than the club. I dont see any of these "a few of the lads" coming out and defending his criticism

Shut up or fook off, its simple. Been brilliant for us, not irreplaceable tho

SplendidStuff Posted on 4/7 16:37
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Why the fook does he feel he needs to make the situation worse.

If he misses his bum chum so much he can do one.

THis is an aspect of football that winds me up, players thinking that the club has less important issues to sort out and that their futures come before the future of the club.

If he wants out he should go, but bad mouthing us because his chum has buggered off is VERY VERY unproffesional.

ray192 Posted on 4/7 16:39
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Esky

Your right mate were are these so called players .

ray192 Posted on 4/7 16:41
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S_S

I dont think he wants here!! and he's trying to use the Viduka situation to his benefit but in doing so he's causing player unrest .

Bukowski_MFC Posted on 4/7 16:46
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After reading that, I say we need to get rid.

He has a point in what he's saying but slating the club to the press does us no favours whatsoever AND HE KEEPS ON DOING IT.

GibbosEmpire Posted on 4/7 16:46
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Boro do tend to leave it late,just look at the Viduka deal,it was a couple of months before his contract ran out that we actually offered him a new contract.

Liverpool had it with Michael Owen and sold him and got abit of money for him before the contract ran out.

Then again he is moaning a hell of alot,and hes not my favourite keeper at the minute,new keeper perhaps.

Boromart Posted on 4/7 16:47
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Well Viduka was offered a contract at Christmas, he decided to wait and see what other offers came in. HE said he was going to make a decision after his holiday. So there you go.

Arnie is whining in the press, partly because his mate has gone, and partly because he wants a lucrative new ccontract.

It does get on my t!ts when players conduct negotiations through the press, it's disrespectful to the fans, and the club that employs them, and there is absolutely no need to do it.

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ray192 Posted on 4/7 16:47
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B_M

Exactly he keeps doing it .

ray192 Posted on 4/7 16:49
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B_M

Thats what i'm thinking aswell.

dan87 Posted on 4/7 16:52
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ive always had the feeling that although hes been here for 10 years, he'd soon fk the club off if anything better came his way, unfortunately for him it hasnt, despite his efforts. this is not the first time he has done this, and i think a few people are getting sick.

been great for us but we dont need players with his attitude.

PapaJohn Posted on 4/7 16:52
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pls lets not put liverpool up as a well managed club.

They managed the Owen sitch ok but they lost out on the Macmanaman sitch.

Remember the Zeige sitch as well.

Its time Arnie felt the force of the fans feelings the greedy aussie. Sure Gibbo feels the same.

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ray192 Posted on 4/7 16:55
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P_J

I've had enough of the aussie moaning tvvat for sure .

GibbosEmpire Posted on 4/7 16:55
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I never said Liverpool were well managed.

I said they got money before Owens contract ran out,something Boro didn't do with Viduka.

GibbosEmpire Posted on 4/7 16:55
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I never said Liverpool were well managed.

I said they got money before Owens contract ran out,something Boro didn't do with Viduka.

guyb Posted on 4/7 17:01
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Schwarzer is a decent keeper, no more no less, guaranteed to drop one or two costly bllcks a season now.

The biggest mistake we made with him was dropping an in-form Crossley for him when he spat his dummy out. Gave his ego a boost instead of letting it down gently.

ray192 Posted on 4/7 17:04
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Guyb

I dont think anybody wants him they didn't before? .

sasboro Posted on 4/7 17:05
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cant believe everyone is slagging of schwarzer. best keeper boro have ever had. will be very hard to replace when he leaves. we take him for granted and assume we will find a good enough replacement easily. ok he makes one or two mistakes but which keepers dont. how many keepers have played more consistently at the top for over 10 years that would ever play for boro. lets hope things get sorted out and we give him another 2 years, dont want another viduka situation dragging on.

now thats a positive post compared to you lot slagging him off

Brick_Tamland Posted on 4/7 17:09
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He's doing it on purpose so we list him for transfer.

A sad end is about to come to what have been 10 great years, for him and for us.

zaphod Posted on 4/7 17:15
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He didn't help his own cause by throwing a tantrum and playing crap 18 months ago. I'm sure that put doubts in the minds of everyone at the club. Offering an extended contract with 12 months to go is fine with me for a player of Schwarzer's age.

He's been a good player for Boro, but he wouldn't be difficult to replace.

Bukowski_MFC Posted on 4/7 17:15
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sas - So you think him effectively badmouthing the club to the press is acceptable do you?

He needs to be replaced anyway and I can't see him getting another contract.

We should be trying hard to bring in somebody new this summer or he'll be mouthing off and causing unrest throughout next season.

kelvin_fahrenheit Posted on 4/7 17:17
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Jim Platt was better.

ray192 Posted on 4/7 17:19
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Sas

It's not like you to disagree with everybody else now is it ffs .

ray192 Posted on 4/7 17:20
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B_T

He is yes but in doing he's upsetting everybody else .

TeessideCleveland Posted on 4/7 17:21
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Whether what he says about offering contracts late is true or not his continued comments about not knowing whether he will be here long term and that he may leave suggest to me he is trying to engineer a move

ray192 Posted on 4/7 17:22
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B_M

Sas is Arnie of the board ffs .

ray192 Posted on 4/7 17:22
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K_F

Agreed .

ray192 Posted on 4/7 17:23
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TC

Your right mate .

sasboro Posted on 4/7 17:23
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i'm not suprised he threw a tantrum 18 months ago, who wouldnt when you get dropped for brad jones!! steve mac wasnt the most popular person at the club.

dont think he is engineering a move just trying to get a new contract sorted now

PoetLaureate Posted on 4/7 17:24
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Who the hell does he think he is I would understand if he was a world class keeper but he is not! one on one with a player he does well but his kicking and overall distribution is awful and he does not know how to manage his box as you can see on corners. How hard is it to be a keeper anyway, he can f_ck off for all I care.

sasboro Posted on 4/7 17:26
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sounds like ita brad jones then ..anyone see that mistake he did for australia recently?

ray192 Posted on 4/7 17:27
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P_L

And me.

ray192 Posted on 4/7 17:28
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Sas

Get a grip man .

fishface101 Posted on 4/7 17:28
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err so were leaving it late to offer him a new contract

My agent is in discussions with Middlesbrough and they've indicated that they want to offer me a new contract, but as yet we haven't agreed to any terms. Plus there is interest from other clubs – one or two in England but a couple from abroad as well

so a year before is to short to think about whether he wants to stay or not

sorry but he's taking the piss for me

He's been a very good keeper for us and he has saved our asses more times than he has dropped us in it but he's either fishing for move either to be with his pal or he's taking a leaf out of viduka's book and turning into a greedy money grabbing mercenary either way he needs to keep his contract negotiations in the boardroom and out of the press trying to force the club like this is not the way to go about things

or maybe he's hoping manure will come in for him (Again?????) like he believed last time

as for Viduka he was looking for a move away long before christmas and he nearly joined west ham in the jan transfer window i dont think any contract offered to him would have tempted him to stay

Boromart Posted on 4/7 17:29
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"now thats a positive post compared to you lot slagging him off" - no sas, thats you taking the stance that club is in the wrong and screwing everything up again!

He has been a fantastic servant to us, and has proven value for money, 1.7mill for 10 years......but we have been fantastic for him also. He has played nearly all of hi scareer in the top flight, he has played in 4 major cup finals, he has won numerous aussie caps, and we have NEVER tried to stop him representing his country.....and he has been paid top dollar for a decade.

Those who claim he should be miffed that he was dropped for Brad Jones, are talking silly. No one should be 'guarenteed' a place, and if they are not mentally prepared (as was evident by the number of clangers he dropped in a very short period of time), then someone else should be given a game. I would rather have a focused Brad Jones than an unfocused Peter Shilton to be quite honest.

If he stays and is focused great, but if he isn't committed then he can bog off and get his 'dream move'. His lack of loyalty is damaging to team spirit and to the managers authority....it doesn't matter how good he is, he isn't worth the trouble if that is the way he wants to be.

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ray192 Posted on 4/7 17:35
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BM

As i said above mate your right about sas .

sasboro Posted on 4/7 17:42
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Ray192, i cant believe boro have given brad jones a 2 year deal!

ray192 Posted on 4/7 17:44
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Sas

LOL .

Coluka Posted on 4/7 18:12
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Ray

I would look to bring in another keeper as a number 1 and sell him for £1m - £1.5M to anyone that 'll have him, if nobody comes in let him be the number 2. He would still have to give his all if called upon as he'll be playing for a contract elsewhere anyway. Let him go on a bosman if that happens. He's given us 10 yrs good service so owes us nowt financially.

Bring in Carson (not willie though - he's crap on crosses)

ray192 Posted on 4/7 18:16
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Coluka

Thats the way round it show him who runs the club ffs .

Celestron Posted on 4/7 18:40
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If my memory serves me correctly when we offered him his last contract didn't he take about 4 months to sign it... hypocrite..have always been a big fan of skippy but at 34 he wont be missed.

ray192 Posted on 4/7 18:42
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Celestron

He put a transfer request in when smac was here .

Table_Football Posted on 4/7 19:10
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He's starting to do my head in now. Everytime he gives an interview, he somehow manages to link it back to Viduka.

Yes he's been very loyal to the club, and a great servant. But for christs sake, put a sock in it you moaning git or leave.

Boy_Wonder_MFC Posted on 4/7 19:12
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Bye Bye Schwarzer, We wont miss you

Mr_Incident Posted on 4/7 19:14
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I can't quite work out whether he's angling for a move or a new contract the most, but either way he knows what he's doing by playing the press the way he is. I can't remember him making so many comments during a close season ever before, particularly negative ones.

If he wants to leave after ten years I wouldn't hold it against him, he's been a great keeper for us. But could you please exit quietly, Mark.

ray192 Posted on 4/7 19:14
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T_F

Thats the point he's using the Viduka situation .

ray192 Posted on 4/7 19:15
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B_W

LOL .

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ray192 Posted on 4/7 21:34
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M_I

Thats what he should have done but he just can't keep his gob shut sadly .

ray192 Posted on 5/7 0:08
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Jaraz

What do you think?.

OverTheTopAussie Posted on 5/7 1:16
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The club can stop this with one phone call. "Hi Mark, we've got a contract extension for you to sign when you get back." By not doing this they are telling Schwarzer he's on his way out.

jarazinho Posted on 5/7 1:19
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he is spot on..

Grumpy_Paul Posted on 5/7 1:23
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The club can stop this with one phone call.

"Hi Mark, don't bother coming back, fook off, your only average at best, there's plenty out there as good as you and don't make so many howlers"

leemundo Posted on 5/7 1:45
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several points here

1. Viduka is the most unloyal person i no so why use him as a excuse.
2. we owe no-one nothing interms of loyalty. just the fans and chairman
3. he should be fined for talking about someone who is no longer with us
4. he signed his last contract and in it does not say anything abot other players and it took him 4 months to sign it

schwarzer is a whinging moaning oz who i am sick of and nobody woold sign him

zaphod Posted on 5/7 3:37
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Schwarzer is away with the Aussie squad and in contact with the Aussie media, which is even more deluded than the average Skunk when it comes to the merits of their players. There's always been a view in the Aussie media that Viduka was wasted at a club as lowly as Boro, despite the fact that none of the big clubs wanted him for reasons that are crystal clear to most Boro fans.

Maybe they're now telling Schwarzer the same thing and he's feeling he can do better. The truth is: he's 34; no bigger club than Boro has shown signs of wanting him; his negotiating position isn't strong, as there seem to be large numbers of quality goalkeepers around. He needs to wake up and get his act together.

Bukowski_MFC Posted on 5/7 4:17
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It'll be interesting to see how the club react to his latest comments.

Hopefully they'll react by replacing the moaning gobshite.

ray192 Posted on 5/7 5:27
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G_P

Lol but your right makes sense to me .

ray192 Posted on 5/7 5:29
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Lee

Some very good points .

ray192 Posted on 5/7 5:31
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Zaphod

You could be right i suppose But at the end of the day what he says is still down to him and no-one else .

ray192 Posted on 5/7 5:34
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B_M

I think this may well be the outcome but does anybody really want him thats the reallity of it all as i dont think they do!! not a top team anyway .

SmoggyMatt Posted on 5/7 7:16
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I agree with the all the sentiments about his 10 years being an excellent mutual relationship. Apart from the odd clanger, skippy has been a good servant, letting us forget about the no. 1 shirt for a decade and focus on other areas.

I also have to agree with Guyb, we definitely made a mistake letting him walk back into the team when Crossley was on top form. He never caused any trouble before that (even with Manu 'links'). I'm not saying it was a turning point, but he must feel undroppable and in the last few years he's been getting ideas above his station.

One unprofessional comment in the press can usually be put down to stupidity, but the situation is getting ridiculous now.

ray192 Posted on 5/7 7:18
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Matt

But he never learns thats the trouble .

keelo Posted on 5/7 7:23
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It'll be interesting to see how the club react to his latest comments.

Hopefully they'll react by replacing the moaning gobshite.

my sentiments excactly.......he's creamed off Millions while he's been at our club,if he does'nt like it FOOK OFF

ray192 Posted on 5/7 7:28
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Keelo

Lol .

ElJacko Posted on 5/7 8:17
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In my opinion......
He´s trying to use the Viduka situation to earn himself a lucrative last contract. Hoping that the fans and club will panic and sign him on on his terms. Of course that would mean Boro committing significant funds on a player who has a year left on his contract as it is, taking funds away from potential signings. Considering the club knows which positions it wants to fill its not going to be worried about the keeper just now.

I reckon that Boro will ignore all this, let his contract run its course and say thanks, are there any other good keepers whose contract expire the same time as Mark´s that we could pick up on a free when he leaves?

ray192 Posted on 5/7 8:20
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Jacko

A very good way of looking at it .

Spoff_MFC Posted on 5/7 9:04
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Schwarzer, last 12 month of contract

Jaskelinaan(sp), last 12 month of contract.

Straight swap. Please.

skiprat Posted on 5/7 9:41
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I don't agree with all of this "angling for a move" business. If he is after a contract extension then he should wait until he gets back and ask the management team what his situation is.

Constantly complaining in the press is doing him no favours whatsoever. Southgate will be fuming about it but even more importantly, the fans may turn on him VERY quickly if there are some poor early season performances.

ray192 Posted on 5/7 10:27
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Spoff

That would do me certainly .

ray192 Posted on 5/7 10:29
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Skiprat

You can sense it happening really, but lets hope not as we need a good start .

sasboro Posted on 5/7 10:30
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skiprat, have you not thought that with the asia cup on the horizon a reporter has interviewed him and asked him a few questions including whats he upto in england. I dont think he will have rang the press up to say he wants to make a statement. Why do you think the article was in the australian media? surely the english media would have been better if he wanted it to make an impact on contract negotiations

"Constantly complaining in the press is doing him no favours whatsoever"

like when? twice in 11 years!!!

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zaphod Posted on 5/7 10:32
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I think senior players whingeing (Schwarzer) or only playing when they feel like it (Viduka) has a damaging effect on the team spirit on the pitch, especially when there's a bunch of impressionable young lads in the team. One of my main hopes for this season is that the side will be up for it every time they play, because that wasn't true last season. If players are preventing that happening, I'd rather they left.

ray192 Posted on 5/7 10:36
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Sas

Shake your head transfer request in Smacs last year and twice this close season he's been moaning .

ray192 Posted on 5/7 10:37
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Zaphod

Agreed fook em off now before team morale suffers .

skiprat Posted on 5/7 10:39
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It's about the third time that something has been mentioned since Viduka left Sas.

If a reporter asked what he's up to england, how on Earth does that lead to a basic attack on the club? Do you not think it's unprofessional?

I love how you ALWAYS see the opposite of everyone else. You have become a caricature of yourself.

Boro fans being negative, Sas will try and make out that it's not the players fault.

Boro fans being positive, Sas will always try and make out that it will all fall down aroud their ears.

sasboro Posted on 5/7 10:41
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ray, this season 2 'moans' are probably from the same interview.

why is everyone up in arms over it. to me it just sounds like he wants to stay but wants things sorted before the season starts. Probably the reporter jsut asked him what his future holds.

skiprat,its nothing to do with seeing the opposite.m Its just having a go at people for slagging scharzer off over nothing particular. I had you down as the sort of person who would take this all with a pinch of salt. I have never understood why schwarzer has always been so unpopular with fans. i've never slagged him off and is the best keeper we have ever had and in this day and age having a player for 10 years is a miracle. ok he gets paid well but he has been loyal at boro. surely you are the one being negative about this?

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ray192 Posted on 5/7 10:41
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Skiprat

( CLAP ) ( CLAP ) spot on about Sas .

ray192 Posted on 5/7 10:42
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Sas

Get real FFS .

marps Posted on 5/7 10:42
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i would much rather see 11 enthusiastic players giving their all for the team and their fans than a certain few jaded, fading "STARS" who want to moan and whinge their way through the season. let the younger ones play, get the experience and bond together as a team should. the old has beens should move on and SHUT UP!!!!

skiprat Posted on 5/7 10:43
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Again then,

If that was the case and he wants another contract, why not go to the club and ask THEM the situation and not attack the contract policy in front of the World's media.

It doesn't matter that it's in Australia anymore, the web propogates all news stories as soon as they are published.

Borobarmy Posted on 5/7 10:45
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Just needs to be reminded he isnt invincible as he thinks . Just show him his clanger in Cardiff .

Boromart Posted on 5/7 10:46
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it's about the 3rd time in 18 months he has whined through the press, and that is not a good example to set.

The fact is the club as is there right are probably looking at his age and keeping an eye out for a younger keeper to replace him.

Arnie wants to have a new contract probably his last, he wants the security of knowing where he is going to work and bring up his family for the final 3 or 4 years of his career. Fair enough.

The only problem is that he is speaking to the press about contract negotiations, when the only people that can sort it out are him, his agent, Southgate and Lamb. USing the press as a middleman shows a lack of character on his behalf.

ray192 Posted on 5/7 10:47
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Marps

Good post .

sasboro Posted on 5/7 10:47
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"If that was the case and he wants another contract, why not go to the club and ask THEM the situation and not attack the contract policy in front of the World's media."

because the asia cup is kicking off soon and he has probably been interviewed by the australian media and asked what his future holds...do you understand it or not?

ray192 Posted on 5/7 10:50
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Skiprat

Exactly what he should have done But thinks he's too big now . Well grab this Arnie your getting slower and your a liabilty so fook off big mouth .

marps Posted on 5/7 10:51
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"do you understand or not"

what i understand then is that if the aussies were asking about his future plans they were sussing out if hes going to be playing premiership footie or not. maybe they too have realised he has had it!!!

ray192 Posted on 5/7 10:52
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Sas

Do you? .

ray192 Posted on 5/7 10:52
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Marps

LOL .

Boromart Posted on 5/7 10:58
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sas why don't you try and go a whole day without

a) fighting with people
b) insulting people
c) being controversial for the sake of it
d) taking the stance that MFC are in the wrong.

just a thought?

Boromart Posted on 5/7 11:00
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anyways, if a report asks him how contract negotiations are going he should tell them he won't discuss it, dodge the question. that is what a professional does.

It's not like Arnie is a 19 year old kid, he has been in this game for 15 years, he is used to the press trying to get a story from him. He hasn't even got the excuse of english not being his native tongue.

beeline Posted on 5/7 11:02
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Here's a leg up to your 100 Ray if that's what you're after, but your talking out your backside on this. As i said yesterday:

What the hell is he supposed to do, sit on his arse til his contract runs out? If asking your employer to get a move on with talks in the final year of your contract is 'having a pop at the club', then you're living in a strange world.

If you're on say a one year contract and you ask your boss 3 months before the end if they're going to renew, and he says 'we'll talk about it later', then with 2 months to go you ask again and get the same response, what do you do? You start looking for another employer that's what - at least you do in the world I inhabit.

sasboro Posted on 5/7 11:02
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sasboro Posted on 5/7 11:02
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Its not about argueing with poeople for the sake of it. its about people slagging of schwarzer thats all. bloody fickle people on here! total lack of respect for him! He has done fook all wrong and gets slatted cos of some obscure interview in the australian media. schwarzer is the best keeper we have ever had. Just annoys me that people turn on a player so easily jsut cos he wants to get a new contract. i hate all this myth about him being crap at crosses and corners and kicking, it just aint true! Basically i dont understand why after so long at boro he isnt popular! what have people got against him?

atleast beeline is talking sense.

i think the rest should be embarrased.

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ray192 Posted on 5/7 11:03
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sas why don't you try and go a whole day without

a) fighting with people
b) insulting people
c) being controversial for the sake of it
d) taking the stance that MFC are in the wrong.

just a thought?


Would be great to see it happen but sadly no chance .

ExiledInStoke Posted on 5/7 11:05
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If other clubs are interested, then bye bye Skippy.

Can't remember too many being interested when he handed in a transfer request, which was accepted by the club without much hassle.

YOU'RE NOT BIGGER THAN THE CLUB, MATE.

ray192 Posted on 5/7 11:05
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Beeline

What the hell is he supposed to do, sit on his arse til his contract runs out? If asking your employer to get a move on with talks in the final year of your contract is 'having a pop at the club', then you're living in a strange world.

Since when have the press owned the BORO please tell me as i missed it .

beeline Posted on 5/7 11:07
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Read the article with your head not your heart Ray.

ray192 Posted on 5/7 11:08
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E_S

Yes were are these so called clubs? .

Boromart Posted on 5/7 11:10
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"I love how you ALWAYS see the opposite of everyone else." - thats what people do when they feel the need to prove to the world they are much more intelligent. Of course they are not more intelligent, just much more needy of approval from others.

"Its not about argueing with poeople for the sake of it. its about people slagging of schwarzer thats all."
those slagging his ability or the first 8 years as a model pro need to have a word with themselves. Schwartzer is now a senior pro, and respected by his peers, he is a role model. Acting in this petty and unprofessional manner in public is only goign to set a poor example to other players.

"total lack of respect for him!"
Total lack of respect by him! He has been given 10 years employment by the club, very good wages, and the top stage to play on, they have stuck by him, even in the days when he couldn't kick a ball and through several spells where he has lost his confidence. He repays by slagging the clubs professionalism in the press. Respect works both ways, someone needs to point that out to Arnie!

"some obscure interview in the australian media."
excuses, his words printed, he shouldn't talk contracts in the press. Do you tell everyone the details of your contract of work?

"Just annoys me that people turn on a player so easily"
I support Boro, and the players that contribute strength to the club. If you are the supporter of individual players then fine, good luck to you, but it isn't the norm.

"i hate all this myth about him being crap at crosses and corners and kicking"
I agree it isn't true, he was poor at kicking for about 3 years, now he is fine, he is excellant at crosses.

"what have people got against him"
that he is a mouthy git?

marps Posted on 5/7 11:12
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hes hardly doing himself any favours on the "im a loyal, professional player" stance though is he. any body thinking of picking him up for his swansong would know that he runs off at the mouth now.
oh and for the record, i never thought that he was ever consistant enough so ive not just turned on him. he has had some real nightmare matches. that is the reason he has never progressed to the "big" clubs.

Boromart Posted on 5/7 11:12
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the fact is schwartzer has an agent. It is that agents job to do contract negotiations. If the club ar enot prepared to negotiate yet, then so be it, he can then explain to Lamb that he would like to explore other options.

The press do not/should not be a wheel in contract negotiations.

beeline Posted on 5/7 11:15
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"The press do not/should not be a wheel in contract negotiations."

Get real. Like it or not the profession is football not quantity surveying!

ray192 Posted on 5/7 11:16
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Sometimes he should just sit back and think about it for a while then he would not find himself open for ridicule like now . Talk to the club not the press .

sasboro Posted on 5/7 11:20
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its pointless me discussing this further, you all have it in for schwarzer fro some reason and made your mind up about him. Its a shame he will end his long boro career in such bad light with the fans. Its embarrasing but hardly surprising on here. I guess he is the boo boy for next season. A bloke sits behind me always has a go at schwarzer, i constantly have to pull him up over it. int he past he even suggests dropping him for brad jones. He still seems to think his kicking,coming off his line and catching at crosses are poor even though i point out constantly times he was ok. I remember brad jones rushing out to quick once and getting caught dont remember anyone saying he rushes out too quick.

I suppose football fans have short memories

"the fact is schwartzer has an agent. It is that agents job to do contract negotiations. If the club ar enot prepared to negotiate yet, then so be it, he can then explain to Lamb that he would like to explore other options. "

i think you should read the interview properly again!

Boromart Posted on 5/7 11:20
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"Like it or not the profession is football not quantity surveying!"
Yes your right beeline, which is why he should realise that he is gonna step on the toes of many fans by blabbing like a big girl to the press. Does he think the majority of fans are gonna back him? He is seriously dellusional if he doesn't realise that MOST fans will see it as a slight on MFC and a complete lack of respect to the club and the fans.

ray192 Posted on 5/7 11:22
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Sas

You amaze me at times .

Boromart Posted on 5/7 11:22
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for gods sake sas, get down off that high horse.

You really must be a better fan than the rest of us because you support him and others are not. There you go, thats what you wnat to here isn't it!

sasboro Posted on 5/7 11:27
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"for gods sake sas, get down off that high horse. "

you are one to talk!

cant you grasp this is a positive post by me that peopel are reading too much into the interview and he does want to stay and there is goign to be no problem and he will sign a new cotnract. he just wants boro to get on with it. as far as i am aware he wants to stay at boro and is still a boro player for atleast 12 months..so lets get off his case and get behind him

beeline Posted on 5/7 11:29
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" MOST fans will see it as a slight on MFC and a complete lack of respect to the club and the fans."

Well that's obvious judging by this and other threads. I've just read the article again (for the 3rd time) and i can't see for the life of me how he is showing disrespest or slamming the club as the headline says. Typical emotional over-reaction by Boro fans, so I'll leave it there.

sasboro Posted on 5/7 11:37
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and another thing. how rocky acted last season was a lot worse than how schwarzer is now!I hope you treat him with as much disrespect

Boromart Posted on 5/7 11:41
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beeline, thats just it though mate, footy fans are emotional, that is why it's best just not to talk to the press, if he was a teenager I could put it down to nievity, but he must have realised it would be picked up by the press, especially in a quiet summer month.

"cant you grasp this is a positive post by me"
Your opinion of the player is a positive one, your opinion of the club and the fans is a negative one.
I've read it again, and he is very much putting forward an opinion that there is an 'us' and 'them' between the players and teh management. That is negative, and something that should be discussed behind closed doors.

SplendidStuff Posted on 5/7 11:42
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A faithfull servant of the club does not use his agent(yeah we all like agents don't we) to manufacture a move by stirring the shoite.

Schwarzer is actually speaking for himself in these interviews so we can probably lay off the agent this time, but the very fact he is saying these things is astonishing.

We all know his contract is running out, i just wish he would try and manufacture a move in a way that does not reflect poorly on the club.

If he wants to go or recieve a new contract then he should conduct himself with a bit of dignity, and the very fact he has done 10 years at the boro, but won't hesitate to paint the club in a bad light is very very disapointing to say the least.

Its all about respect in my eyes, and Schwarzer is showing absolutely none towards the club at this moment in time. If he wants something why not just ask the club instead of hanging his dirty laundry in public, and why does he keep using what happened with Viduka as a reason to influence his decisions. He is a grown man and apparently a top pro.


SHould start acting like one.

Boromart Posted on 5/7 11:42
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I didn't like Rockys attitude then, and I have always thought he has lacked professionalism. Although I didn't see direct quotes by him, just by others that said he would not play for us again.

sasboro Posted on 5/7 11:45
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i havent dragged the club into this discussion. its just about schwarzer. who you seem to be badmouthing for some reason.

schwarzer wants to stay and got 12 months left on his contract, thats good news for everyone as he will be difficult to replace. lets cut him some slack for once! he has done nothing wrong. you're stressing over nothing really. chill out a bit.

skiprat Posted on 5/7 11:47
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"If that was the case and he wants another contract, why not go to the club and ask THEM the situation and not attack the contract policy in front of the World's media."

because the asia cup is kicking off soon and he has probably been interviewed by the australian media and asked what his future holds...do you understand it or not?

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Let's not get mixed up here. I don't have any problem with Schwarzer and will be happy for him to be here for much longer.

You've not grasped the point I and others are making here Sas.

If a reporter comes out and asks him about his contract, then why not reply and say "I have a year left on my contract and will be discussing this with Middlesbrough when I return". THAT IS ALL IT NEEDS!

DON'T openly slate the club and the contract 'policy' he feels we have. The problem everyone has here is that he chose the option of attacking the club when he could have just said "I'll be discussing it when I get back". That to me shows a lack of respect, plus his point is rubbish anyway. We've tied up many players when they've had more than one year on their contract, Downing being the most obvious example.

misterpaul89 Posted on 5/7 11:48
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i agree with a new era, maybe what he is saying bears some truth but what's the point to go out and openly say it whilst damaging the club.
great servant of the club over the years, but the fact remains we need someone just as good or better to replace him imminently.

ray192 Posted on 5/7 11:49
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Arnie should act like a pro Middlesbrough fc player and talk to the club not like a baby who might not get his own way in mothercare and throw a tantrum ffs .

SplendidStuff Posted on 5/7 11:49
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"schwarzer wants to stay and got 12 months left on his contract, thats good news for everyone "

Do you just make this stuff up

sasboro Posted on 5/7 11:52
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"You've not grasped the point I and others are making here Sas."

i think you and others are the ones not grasping the point. Up in arms over nothing really. typical of people on this website to jump in feet first and create an angry mob. Without really thinking about things. The red mist comes out basically. I will repeat again he wants to stay and wants boro to get things moving. whats wrong with that? surely the club sometimes pushing players along themselves sometimes? what is the big deal? what is the mob really angry about?

SplendidStuff Posted on 5/7 11:56
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Where is this stated SAS

Turner_86 Posted on 5/7 12:01
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The club should skin the whinging bastad alive.

We should get a new keeper in and let him rot with the youth team for 12 months. No one is bigger than the club, and he's done this on more than one occassion, he should learn to keep his fat aussie gob shut.

If he starts against Blackburn he's getting a big loud BOOO from me.

skiprat Posted on 5/7 12:02
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Angry mob?

If you're not even going to read anyone elses posts then I'm not going to bother wasting my time posting back to you. As ignorant as ever.

I've already stated I have no problem with Schwarzer. considering you often state that you don't like conjecture on here you seem to be coming with an awful lot. You KNOW Schwarzer wants to stay do you?

Bollox.

ray192 Posted on 5/7 12:13
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T_86

And you'll not be on your own after his childish outburst "again" i may add .

ray192 Posted on 5/7 12:15
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Skiprat

Correct if he wanted to stay for definite there would be non of this bollox now .

Boromart Posted on 5/7 12:16
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skippy, your right sas knows no more than us. He possibly wants to stay, reading his quotes, but he doesn't see it as a problem if we let him go either.

Sas is blatently ignoring what we are saying, like you I have stated Arnie has been a fantastic servant. But it works both ways we have been fantastic for him also. But the respect at the moment seems one way.

Anyway this is going round in circles because Sas doesn't understand/fails to address other peoples points.

ray192 Posted on 5/7 12:21
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B_M

Spot on he has been tremendous at times for the BORO but he is trying to be god now thats the problem . He should respect the club have also been tremendous to him .

Turner_86 Posted on 5/7 12:24
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If someone had come in for him a couple of years ago with a good offer, he wouldn't even be here now imo. It's only becaue it was in his best interests to stay, due to lack of interest, that he signed his new contract.

He's a good keeper, but he's neither at a good age or good enough quality to go on the way he is.

And like you have both have said, he should show more respect to the club that's backed him through some difficult times and kept him in the number 1 shirt.

ray192 Posted on 5/7 12:27
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T_86

Your right if somebody had come in for him he wouldn't be here now.

Boromart Posted on 5/7 12:27
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The Schwartzer who joined us 10 1/2 years ago si not a patch on the Schwartzer of the last 3 years. If we hadn't have improved him as a player he would not have played 40 games for his beloved Oz, he would not have captained his country, he would not have played in the world cup, he would not have become a national hero for saving some penalties, he would not have played at wembley, he would not have played at cardiff, he would not have played at Eindhoven. He would not have pocketed a good £10mill+

I do think his first choice is to staay....and the fact his agent is discussing with Lamb means that we want him to stay, therefore some form of a contract must have been put forward.

That contract isn't acceptable to Arnie, fair enough, it's his job and he has a duty to himself and his family to get the best he can for them.....but trying to get an improvement on that contract offer through the press, trying to squeeze more money out of the club, while upsetting the fans, that is the crux of the issue.

ray192 Posted on 5/7 12:34
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Well said K Lamb in today's Gazette try learnig Arnie .

Lamb told the Gazette this morning that “talks are ongoing” and added: “We don’t conduct our transfer business through the media.”

Thats the correct way to do business .

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Turner_86 Posted on 5/7 12:35
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ray192 Posted on 5/7 12:45
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Today's gazette full article.

Link: link.

Dont_do_Blonde_in_Oz Posted on 5/7 13:02
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The sign of a good keeper iss not so much the number of mistakes they make but they the defence plays in front of him. What I mean by that is "do the defence have faith in the keeper". More often thatn not with the big Aussie the answer is "Yes".

He is a good keeper, but he can be replaced pretty easily in my opinion.

He lost is way 18 months ago, was rightly dropped and he sulked, now he's testing the water. I dont think he wants to leave, he ejust wants a contract sorted, but by comments like those to the press he only serves to annoy us (and the Club I assume) greatly.

WRT to Viduka, we didnt offer him a contract earlier cos he was shat, lazy, unpredictable and injured. Some people have very short memories.

Besides which, I rate Brad Jones, he's made no more mistakes than Schwarz has.

kermit_the_smog Posted on 5/7 13:22
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Just a note to some people...

THERE'S NO T IN SCHWARZER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ray192 Posted on 5/7 15:03
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K_T_S

I called him Arnie .

kermit_the_smog Posted on 5/7 15:11
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Haha, not you kidder.

Not just on this thread anyway, he seems to have been called 'Schwartzer' by some people on various messageboards for years!

ray192 Posted on 5/7 15:21
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K_T_S

Lol i know i've seen it done before .

jonny_giles Posted on 5/7 16:35
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Don't call him arnie :-(

TeessideCleveland Posted on 13/7 19:10
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Maybe he'll be mouthing off in the press again this weekend after this piece of magic

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Link: This is why I should be paid more

ray192 Posted on 13/7 19:18
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TC

WTF was he doing there FFS . only problem with that is now even Scumberland wont want him FFS .

TeessideCleveland Posted on 13/7 19:20
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ray192 Posted on 13/7 19:25
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TC

His agent said the other day he's one of the best keepers in the world oh i see what he meant lock-keeper FFS .

Coluka Posted on 13/7 19:27
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He's a 'GREEN'keeper ffs !!

TeessideCleveland Posted on 13/7 19:28
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ray192 Posted on 13/7 19:30
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STOREkeeper FFS .

TeessideCleveland Posted on 13/7 19:31
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As long as it's not innkeeper - would drop your pint ffs

ray192 Posted on 13/7 19:34
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TC

Too fooking right mate FFS leave him in nets LOL .