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ray192 Posted on 25/7 9:03
MAN U confirm BORO interest in SMITH.

Ssn now.

ray192 Posted on 25/7 9:04
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Blue lipped tvvat i dont like the ex scummy Leeds TVVAT .

newholgate Posted on 25/7 9:05
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I thought Smith had rejected the move?

captain5 Posted on 25/7 9:05
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So, you think he'd be a good signing, Ray??

ray192 Posted on 25/7 9:12
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NH

It said Man Utd have given Smith permission to talk to BORO so he couldn't have done before thats how i look at it.

Update as i'm doing this Smith now considering wether to talk to BORO.

ray192 Posted on 25/7 9:13
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Captain

All i'm saying is i dont like him . a good signing maybe yes .

speckyget Posted on 25/7 9:14
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More an attractive shade of damson I'd have said.

tjf81 Posted on 25/7 9:15
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He's crap.

skiprat Posted on 25/7 9:15
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I've not been a great fan of his at his other clubs but I do think he has something to offer us.

Would be a shame if we pay £6 million but for the sake of having more quality in our squad then I think it's a fair deal if he came here.

Questions_Questions Posted on 25/7 9:15
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Ray - You seem one of the most pleasant, mild mannered and polite posters on this board until Leeds are Newcastle are mentioned.

Then all hell breaks loose.

Spoff_MFC Posted on 25/7 9:18
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A good team player who would be an asset to us. Although I don't think he is worth £6m, I'd like to see him here but would be disappointed if we paid much more than £4.5m.

Ray, if he does come here will will give nothing less than 100% in every game, he might not score a hatfull but will create space and chances for others.

Brick_Tamland Posted on 25/7 9:18
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Was a fee mentioned?

TheSmogMonster Posted on 25/7 9:20
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I'm sorry to open this can of worms.

I was kind of glad this one went away, as I worried about losing the Yak if he came.

I think he'd do a job for us but not in place of Yakubu!

heaton_mersey_boro Posted on 25/7 9:21
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2 boxes of lippy and 3 years free hair bleach.

ray192 Posted on 25/7 9:22
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Q_Q

I'm sorry they just do my head in as do Scumberland .

TeeSv Posted on 25/7 9:22
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as I've said before I think he'd be a great addition but at £6 million, a little steep. However, having now seen the calibre of the Richardson's and Choppra's go for not much less, could be the going rate. Shows what a great price we got Alliadiere for

Spoff_MFC Posted on 25/7 9:22
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TSM, agreed, he's not a replacement for Yakubu, he'd be an asset alongside him.

Brick_Tamland Posted on 25/7 9:22
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ray192 Posted on 25/7 9:23
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Spoff

I agree i'm only saying i dont like him from his Scummy Leeds days ffs .

Brick_Tamland Posted on 25/7 9:23
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I'd quite like him at Boro though I think he would take some persuading.

ray192 Posted on 25/7 9:24
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B_T

No just that they had given us permission to talk as long as Smith wants to.

ray192 Posted on 25/7 9:26
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I dont think he's a replacement for Yak i think he's just another signing.

ray192 Posted on 25/7 9:27
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H_H_B

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Bukowski_MFC Posted on 25/7 9:27
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Maybe Smith wanted to join us all along but Man Utd wouldn't allow him til now.

I guess we're about to find out.

ray192 Posted on 25/7 9:28
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Teesv

No metion of a figure being agreed yet.

ray192 Posted on 25/7 9:30
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B_M

By the sound of no talks had taken place at all and as you say now we'll find out if he wants to.

TTTeesside_Trev Posted on 25/7 9:30
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Smithy is one of those horrible players that every team needs. If he plays for you, you love him but if he plays for someone else you hate him, in the same mould as Roy Keane and Bryan Robson when he played. He'll always give you 100%, I'd love to see him at the Boro

Brick_Tamland Posted on 25/7 9:32
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Last night I messaged one of my friends who is a big Man United fan (actually from Manchester, too) and works for their website to ask him if he had heard anything about Smith.

His response was that he would be sorry to see Smith go, despite all the new arrivals at Man United this summer. Given the animosity between Leeds and Man U, that suggests to me that he could be a valuable player for us.

Brick_Tamland Posted on 25/7 9:35
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The fact we've got Tuncay (who I think he's played against?), old Leeds teammate Woody and (hopefully) Young on board will perhaps count in our favour.

Brick_Tamland Posted on 25/7 9:36
re: MAN U confirm BORO interest in SMITH.

The fact we've got Tuncay (who I think he's played against?), old Leeds teammate Woody and (hopefully) Young on board will perhaps count in our favour.

heaton_mersey_boro Posted on 25/7 9:37
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B_T - my next door neighbour (Man U ST holder for 30 odd years) said exactly the same thing.

Said he does'nt want to see him leave, as, although he is not the best forward he has seen by a long way, his attitude, committment and workrate is always 110%. Bit of a crowd favourite apparently.

He did finish with ".....why would he want to sign for you though?" cheeky sod

ElvisRamone Posted on 25/7 9:40
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I'd be happy if he came to us. He'd show a bit of determination.
Trouble is, if MU are prepared to let him go regardless of new signings, it must be his level of fitness. After all Scholes, Giggs etc are still there.

TeeSv Posted on 25/7 9:41
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ray - fair do mate, just going on the figure previously muted when we were last linked with him

burydweller Posted on 25/7 9:43
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Of course, where i live in Bury, they are all Man United fans, and the "shallow ones" would all be devastated if they lose Smith, I think that may be significant

heaton_mersey_boro Posted on 25/7 9:45
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Ferguson does'nt want him to leave, he just realises that, at 26, he wants to play first team football every week.

As it stands he will be behind Rooney, Ronaldo, Saha, Solskjaer, Tevez in the pecking order. Ferguson has stated that he cannot guarantee him as many ganes as he wants - so I think he is simply trying to be fair to Smith.

And £6m would help to get some of this years (£60m) spending back. Not much, but a few bob anyhow.

burydweller Posted on 25/7 9:45
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Secondly, trust Gareth, if Smith improves the squad then great, Ray go and mow the lawn

ray192 Posted on 25/7 9:46
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Trev

That sounds about right plus he played for scummy Leeds .

Spoff_MFC Posted on 25/7 9:46
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Not sure it is fitness, Giggs and Scholes are, have been, and always will be better players than Smith.

With the players Man U have Smith would never get a run in their side.

ray192 Posted on 25/7 9:48
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TeeSv

I know you are mate no problem .

ray192 Posted on 25/7 9:48
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B_D

I'm on my way mate .

ray192 Posted on 25/7 9:49
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Spoff

I agree .

kermit_the_smog Posted on 25/7 9:50
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I'd definitely have him here, but I wouldn't wanna lose Yak considering it appears that Tuncay is going to be our right winger.

sasboro Posted on 25/7 9:53
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so we keep yak aswell as bring in smith. so that means you have to fit aliadiere, tuncay, downing, smith and yak in the first 11. how you gonna do that? leaves the midfield exposed and a bit top heavy upfront. unless ofcourse southgate has his eye on playing smith in central midfield alongside arca

ray192 Posted on 25/7 9:55
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K_T_S

I dont think we'll lose Yak not for Smith anyway but maybe because he wants to go.

Boro_Owl Posted on 25/7 9:56
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I hope we dont pay 6 million Thats fookin mad.

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ray192 Posted on 25/7 9:57
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SAS

Why dont you let the Gate worry about that i trust him and so should you ffs .

skiprat Posted on 25/7 9:57
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That's always your first question Sas (How will they fit into the first 11)

You don't fit them all in Sas.

That's the point in having a SQUAD of players. Or are you suggesting that we have a top class first 11 and then subs and the rest of the squad made from youngsters and back up players?

captain5 Posted on 25/7 9:59
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To be fair if he didn't get anyone else, sas would complain about us having no cover, so I guess it's some sort of consistency he's achieving.

kermit_the_smog Posted on 25/7 10:00
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If Tuncay plays right wing and Stewy left then it's between Ali, Smith and Yak for 2 positions. (Oh and Dong Gook Lee of course) Good competition for places

reddybrek Posted on 25/7 10:00
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Smith might be one of those horrible niggling players on the pitch when he's on the other side, but at least he's little or no bother off it, a bit like Danny Mills. He'll be an asset to us

ray192 Posted on 25/7 10:00
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Skiprat

He's just being funny again if not he knows fook all.

stuninho Posted on 25/7 10:01
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I think this has Boateng replacement written all over it...

Cockney_Barra_Boy Posted on 25/7 10:01
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.................Schwarzer
Young......Woodgate......Poga......Taylor

Tuncay....Boateng......Arca.......Downing

.........Smith........Yakubu

Subs: Aliadere, Rochemback, Huth, Johnson, Turnball.

ray192 Posted on 25/7 10:01
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Captain

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sasboro Posted on 25/7 10:02
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do you think smith, aliadiere, tuncay will come to boro to not be first choice? they can all do that at their previous clubs or go to a club where they will be first choice. yak wont want to be 2nd choice and i'm sure downing will leave boro if he isnt first choice. basically your new signings dont come to the club to be back up players in the squad. When a manager spends a lot of money on players its only natural they will be first choice. most managers do the same.

Cockney_Barra_Boy, you forgot to put aliadiare in teh first 11.

--- Post edited by sasboro on 25/7 10:03 ---

Kilburn Posted on 25/7 10:03
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You may have noticed by now sas that there is almost always someone who is injured or suspended, so the scenario that you have put forward won't happen very often.

ray192 Posted on 25/7 10:03
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K_T_S

Exactly thats what ever team needs competion for places .

ray192 Posted on 25/7 10:04
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Stuninho

Maybe .

reddybrek Posted on 25/7 10:05
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but sas we did not spend a lot of money on tuncay or aliadiere

sasboro Posted on 25/7 10:05
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"You may have noticed by now sas that there is almost always someone who is injured or suspended, so the scenario that you have put forward won't happen very often."

so which one of them is injured at the moment.

I bet aliadiare would not have signed if he wasnt first choice. he could have just stayed at arsenal to do that. more opportinities as they play a lot more cup games than us.

"but sas we did not spend a lot of money on tuncay or aliadiere"

wages? and the manager will always pick his new signings ahead of other players. maybe they didnt come for first team football they came for the money?

are you all naive to think that these player come to boro just to be happy to be part of the squad. they come to play regularly. which is what we want. whats wrong with that?

--- Post edited by sasboro on 25/7 10:07 ---

Brick_Tamland Posted on 25/7 10:06
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Southgate said he wanted 4 strikers for the start of the season. I think Tuncay may be the right-sided midfielder, though this might not be the position we originally had in mind for him.

Yak, Aliadiere, LDG and Smith would be the complement of strikers.

Downing, Johnson, Arca, Boateng, Cattermole, Rochemback, Tuncay, Morrison to contest spots for first-team midfield.

Taylor, Pog, Huth, Riggott, Woodgate, Wheater, Davies, Young for defence.

That to me seems like a stronger squad than we have had for a few years.


Obviously Viduka is a loss but it means we will try out new things. We also don't have to be as dependent on Downing for evry attack, which will relieve some of the pressure on him to his and our benefit.

--- Post edited by Brick_Tamland on 25/7 10:14 ---

skiprat Posted on 25/7 10:06
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First choice or not they will still get more chance to play football here than at their previous clubs. (Aliadiere and Smith if he comes anyway).

So I ask you again, should we only sign players that are good enough for our first eleven and then just keep the younsters for the subs and reserves?

ray192 Posted on 25/7 10:06
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SAS

You haven't let me down mate thanks .

captain5 Posted on 25/7 10:07
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Don't bother, skiprat.

He's either on the rise or being a total arse again. Either way you won't get any sense.

--- Post edited by captain5 on 25/7 10:10 ---

ray192 Posted on 25/7 10:08
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B_T

It certainly does and i think there will be more .

ray192 Posted on 25/7 10:10
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Captain

Thats why i said Sas has not let me down .

ray192 Posted on 25/7 10:10
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Captain

Thats why i said Sas has not let me down .

sasboro Posted on 25/7 10:13
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"He's either on the rise or being a total arse again. Either way you won't get any sense."

coming from captain5 himself


skiprat,

"First choice or not they will still get more chance to play football here than at their previous clubs. (Aliadiere and Smith if he comes anyway).

So I ask you again, should we only sign players that are good enough for our first eleven and then just keep the younsters for the subs and reserves?"

are you that naive to think that players like tuncay, smith and aliadare will leave big clubs to come and bench warm at a team like boro??

We should sign players that are good enough for the first 11 otherwise the team dont improve.

do you not get my point about these players coming to boro for first team football and decent money? managers do not spend big money and wages on players for them to sit on the bench. plus southgate his building his own team now.

this is the starting 11 without injuries

.................Schwarzer
Young......Woodgate......Poga......Taylor

Tuncay....Boateng......Arca.......Downing

.........aliadiere........Yakubu

if smith comes in then its probably in place of boateng and then the formations changes

--- Post edited by sasboro on 25/7 10:14 ---

captain5 Posted on 25/7 10:15
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" coming from captain5 himself"


I'm not the one making a total clown of myself on football threads like you do.

skiprat Posted on 25/7 10:16
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So you've just answered your own question about where they all play.

sasboro Posted on 25/7 10:17
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i dont think i am making a clown of myself, i'm surprised at someone like you cant debate this properly without resorting to trying to deflect things. why cant people just debate stuff without getting all childish?


"So you've just answered your own question about where they all play."

?????????

yes they will all start in the team i picked. i';ma sking where will smith play if we sign him as we already have aliadaire,tuncay,yak, downing who will probasbly start and as smith is more of a forward then where will he fit in the team if we sign him. can you not understand that? is it that difficult?

--- Post edited by sasboro on 25/7 10:19 ---

ray192 Posted on 25/7 10:17
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Captain

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captain5 Posted on 25/7 10:18
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We should all try an sas-ism. It could be fun.


Smith will want to play up front again. This means that if we want to keep all of them happy, we will have to play 4-3-3 so we'll drop Downing.

ray192 Posted on 25/7 10:19
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SAS

Your a star always going against the majority so you can have a chew .

sasboro Posted on 25/7 10:20
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at last a non cocky answer from captain5. its not that difficult is it?

"Your a star always going against the majority so you can have a chew ."

you meam the FMTTM majority? not a true reflection on boro fans really. Problem on here you ask a tricky question for some and most cant answer it sensibly.

--- Post edited by sasboro on 25/7 10:21 ---

captain5 Posted on 25/7 10:20
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You're just doing this for the sake of it, sas. We all know it.

The fact that you've got people like Ray saying that you've not let you down shows that the act is probably a bit obvious.

Just admit that we need a good squad, based around being a quicker team and that is what Southgate is starting to build and we can let you run along to continue spreading your joy elsewhere.

skiprat Posted on 25/7 10:21
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Haven't you just put him in midfield? Why are you talking about him as a striker?

captain5 Posted on 25/7 10:21
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You're just doing this for the sake of it, sas. We all know it.

The fact that you've got people like Ray saying that you've not let you down shows that the act is probably a bit obvious.

Just admit that we need a good squad, based around being a quicker team and that is what Southgate is starting to build and we can let you run along to continue spreading your joy elsewhere.


Oh and I was kidding about 4-3-3

ray192 Posted on 25/7 10:23
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Captain

Shame on you after all you should know Sas knows better than the Gate FFS .

sasboro Posted on 25/7 10:24
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"You're just doing this for the sake of it, sas. We all know it."

not at all its a straight forward question on where smith would fit in the team.

"Haven't you just put him in midfield? Why are you talking about him as a striker?"

Because i'm trying get people like you to discuss things. I'm suggesting where he might play in the team and who we would drop..etc

captain5 Posted on 25/7 10:26
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Our first XI as it stands is........ (when all available if Smith signs)

Schwarzer
Young Woody Pog Taylor
Tuncay Rocky Arca Downing
Smith Yakubu

In back up we have

Turnbull in goal

Davies, Bates, Wheater, Riggott, Huth, Hines all have first team experience and offer cover along the back.

Morrison, Boateng, Cattermole, Euell and Johnson have all played a fair amount and we also have the young lads pushing through

Up front we have Aliadiere and Lee as your next two, along with Craddock pushing on.

Added to that we have several players (Arca, Tuncay, Aliadiere, Smith) who can play in two sectors of the field. I think that's not bad.

--- Post edited by captain5 on 25/7 10:27 ---

Kilburn Posted on 25/7 10:29
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Hmm, I'm getting a strange feeling of deja-vu.

It's almost as if a couple of years ago, when we signed Yakubu, the exact same argument was played out, about JFH and Viduka being big personalities who wouldn't stand for being out of the team. Major fallouts were predicted, as was one of them being off within weeks or months.

sasboro Posted on 25/7 10:29
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thats more like it! WEll impressed with that response.

So look like in most cases it would be smith in for aliadeire. Currently aliadeire will be starting against blackburn i reckon. yak upfront and tuncay and downing on eitehr flanks and arca and baoteng in centre

captain5 Posted on 25/7 10:29
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"Because i'm trying get people like you to discuss things. I'm suggesting where he might play in the team and who we would drop..etc"


For those who aren't fluent in sas, that means "this is so I can't be accused of arguing for the sake of it and changing my mind all the time"

PoetLaureate Posted on 25/7 10:31
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why do people continue to write the team without Boateng considering he is captain and thus must be starting. He is a very important player as results have shown.


Oh and smith is crap! I would hate us to get him

ray192 Posted on 25/7 10:31
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Schwarzer
Young Woody huth Taylor
Tuncay Smith Arca Downing
Aliadiere Yakubu

Sounds a good team to me .

If all fit and smith signs.

captain5 Posted on 25/7 10:33
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Boateng will be levered out of the first team, maybe gradually but it will happen.

If he was that important to the team it wouldn't have been him moved out wide towards the end of last season.

sasboro Posted on 25/7 10:33
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i am not arguing for the sake of it. I am seeing what people think on if we signed smith where he would play, what team we would pick,what formation and who he would drop. as far as i am aware you are only allowed 11 players on the field. whats wrong with discussing this sort of thing on here?

Big_Shot Posted on 25/7 10:34
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Ray, do you remember the 4-1 win over Man Utd?

Brick_Tamland Posted on 25/7 10:35
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I get the impression Aliadiere could get a bit upset if he doesn't start games ahead of Smith (if he was to sign) and Yak. I was concerned about the way he seemed to state at the press conference that he was definitely playing every game now he had put pen to paper. I think he's good enough to stay in the team but it may be that the forwards are rotated.

If Smith is viewed as a signing for midfield then I would imagine Boateng could leave and Woodgate may take over as captain. Unless Rochemback is the player who goes? Arca has to be a starter in my view.

ray192 Posted on 25/7 10:35
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P_L

Good point about the Boat like but he wouldn't get in the team i put up or some of the above so what about Boat no captaincy and Woodgate takes over .

ray192 Posted on 25/7 10:36
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B_S

Yes why mate? .

Big_Shot Posted on 25/7 10:37
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I just noticed you had Smith in midfield, when that game showed that he is useless in that position.

skiprat Posted on 25/7 10:37
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Southgate seems to be buying players who have experience in many positions across the pitch so we aren't as static as we have been in the past, so it's great that we have a choice from Tuncay, Downing, Johnson, Yakubu, Aliadiere, Morrison, Smith and DGL.

Yes there are too many players there to squeeze them all into a first 11 but when you consider suspensions (Rochemback), ageing players (Boateng) and injuries then there will be more than enough chances for players to stake their claim and do their best for the team.

While they won't come to warm the bench for the majority of the season, they will get more chances here due to the smaller size of the squad, plus their ability to play in multiple positions across the pitch.

Brick_Tamland Posted on 25/7 10:38
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"when that game showed that he is useless in that position".

Well, it showed he had a bad game against Boro in that position.

ray192 Posted on 25/7 10:38
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B_S

Yes but he's played there a lot more since then so more experience of doing the job imho .

PoetLaureate Posted on 25/7 10:39
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smith in midfield over Boateng wake up! he is another maccarone/cattermole will give you 100% but never actually do anything but dive in like an idiot. for 6 million smith is crap

skiprat Posted on 25/7 10:40
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I don't think it's fair to write him off because of one bad game against a team.

captain5 Posted on 25/7 10:40
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Tat's a bit naughty, B_S.

Are you suggesting on the basis of that match we reinstate Mendieta into the team??

captain5 Posted on 25/7 10:42
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Someone stop Ray getting another ton.


Oh.

ray192 Posted on 25/7 10:42
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P_L

Wake up Boat is losing his way as a top midfieder now the legs have gone sadly . He was good for yes but time moves on and he must accept that and do the same if he wants regular first team football .

Big_Shot Posted on 25/7 10:42
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Having a bit more experience in playing that position doesn't necessarily mean he is any better in that role. He's was awful as a central midfielder.

reddybrek Posted on 25/7 10:43
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Maccarone 100% ?

ray192 Posted on 25/7 10:43
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Captain

you love it really .

Jimmy_Salmon Posted on 25/7 10:43
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So Sas are you suggesting that all new players who come to Boro must be in the starting XI? What happens if they're not, do we get a points deduction and fine?

Boromart Posted on 25/7 10:44
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this thread is hillarious, I'm really enjopying it. Can I just put this quote from from Sas in some kind of context - "why cant people just debate stuff without getting all childish?" - this is from the man that has resorted to verbally insulting me because I pointed out that his claims that 'Alliadiere' is a 'non-goalscoring centreforward' isn't actually based on any evidence.

Of course he didn't have the balls to back it up with a bet

ray192 Posted on 25/7 10:44
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B_S

If he signs we'll find out as thats were i think he'll play.

Big_Shot Posted on 25/7 10:44
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Who's saying its was 1 game, he was poor throughout his spell in midfield. The Boro game just gave us all a first hand experience of him not performing in that position. He's a forward.

Kilburn Posted on 25/7 10:45
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I agree with Big_Shot, that whenever I've seen Smith in central midfield he has looked poor.

He has looked pretty decent on the right hand side of midfield though.

ray192 Posted on 25/7 10:45
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Mart

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Big_Shot Posted on 25/7 10:47
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Well Ray, if we are looking to pay £6m for a player and are going to play him in a position that Ferguson tried and failed to convert him to, then I think it would be a big mistake. Surely we'd be better off just spending the £6m on a proper central midfielder.

--- Post edited by Big_Shot on 25/7 10:51 ---

Brick_Tamland Posted on 25/7 10:49
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I agree with that, Ray. Boateng has had a very good 5 years for Boro. If Gibson and Gate are bold enough to say that Viduka leaving will in fact help the team to adapt its style and move the ball around the pitch more quickly then I would think that they would look at George and think similarly.
Keith Lamb (I think) said that this close-season was now more a case of revolution and not evolution, as had previously been suggested. In most revolutions it is the members of the Old Guard that leave first.

wilkos_perm Posted on 25/7 10:50
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Sas no player expects to join a club and have no competition for places. In fact that would surely put them off as it would suggest the team they were joining had a very poor squad. The point skiprat makes is corect, they would be competing with 2 or 3 other players for 2 places rather than having numerous players ahead of them in the pecking order at their current clubs.
Also the flexibility of the players we have brought in and someone like Smith means they would also get games in other positions too.
In my opinion Smith would be a very good signing as he can hold the ball up and is suprisingly good in the air for his size. These are qualities our current strikers do not possess. He also is very committed.

ray192 Posted on 25/7 10:50
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B_T

Thats how i look at it anyway .

Boromart Posted on 25/7 10:50
re: MAN U confirm BORO interest in SMITH.

back to footy sMith in would certainly make Tuncay a midfielder this season (without injuries to Yak, smith, Alliadiere). I can't comment if that is a good or bad thing as I haven't seen enough of him and he hasn't had a chance to play the english game yet.

perm any 2 from three up front Alli, Smith, Yak. We had the same situation a few years ago when we had JFH, Viduka and Yak - and that was the best strikerforce we have probably ever had and between them got us to a major final. Of course Alli, Smith and Yak is a far more adaptable striker force, with two of them able to move back to midfield positions if needed.

The way I see it we can probably have around 16 senior pros at our club, and another 15 kids. It is difficult to keep more than that happy. Currently I would say we have - Schwartzer , Young(hopefully), Woody, Pogo, Huth, Riggs, Downing, Rochy, Arca, Boat, Mendi (not for long), Tuncay, Alli, Yak, and hopefully Smith.... that is 15 senior pros. If on average 3 of those are not avail then they will all get a decent number of games, and it will be rare that a senior player is sat on the bench.

ray192 Posted on 25/7 10:53
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B_S

Who said i would sign Smith not me ffs i'm only saying that is were if signed i think he'd play!!. I can't stand the blue lipped scummy Leeds TVVAT .

Kilburn Posted on 25/7 10:55
re: MAN U confirm BORO interest in SMITH.

Add Euell to that list mart.

Big_Shot Posted on 25/7 10:57
re: MAN U confirm BORO interest in SMITH.

My point is that it wouldn't make any sense to play him there. He's useless there, even the stubborn Ferguson realised it. I'd rather have Savage.

ray192 Posted on 25/7 10:58
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B_S

NEVER.

Huan_Kerr Posted on 25/7 11:00
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Smith for me would be the spectacular signing and not one that I'd have called.

The thought of going into the new season after signing three England Internationals wets the appetite.

Being honest would anyone have predicted that at the end of last season?

Brick_Tamland Posted on 25/7 11:01
re: MAN U confirm BORO interest in SMITH.

No, I certainly wouldn't have. I doubted that Woodgate would stay and thought Young would be at West Ham by now.

Big_Shot Posted on 25/7 11:02
re: MAN U confirm BORO interest in SMITH.

I know, I feel dirty for even saying that. Its just at least thats his natural position and he has performed adequatly in that role over a number of seasons.

ray192 Posted on 25/7 11:07
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H_K

Thats a very good post i certainly wouldn't no,but lets not forget yet only one has signed .

Big_Shot Posted on 25/7 11:10
re: MAN U confirm BORO interest in SMITH.

But its not as if we've signed Rooney, Gerrard and Woodgate though. We are an established mid table PL side and therefore we should be able to attract international players so I just don't get why we should be overjoyed that any England squad players would consider joining us. Maybe 15 years ago, not now.

Cockney_Barra_Boy Posted on 25/7 11:12
re: MAN U confirm BORO interest in SMITH.

Why is everyone so set on having a 442 formation.

If we sign Smith we could move to a 4132 formation that would look like:

..............Schwarzer

Young......Woodgate.....Poga/Huth.....Arca

.................Boateng

...Tuncay.........Smith........Downing

...........Yakubu.....Aliadere


Might get spanked against the top 4 but it would be a ctracking game against Derby and the other poorer teams.


And yes Arca is at left back......even though he excelled at centre mid....abuse me at will!!

--- Post edited by Cockney_Barra_Boy on 25/7 11:14 ---

ray192 Posted on 25/7 11:15
re: MAN U confirm BORO interest in SMITH.

B_S

Yes but the BORO are not Man Utd either with bags of money to sign the likes of Rooney and Gerrard get real ffs we never will so our signings for the size of our club are spectacular .

ray192 Posted on 25/7 11:17
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B_S

Anyway morning mate .

BoroRam1981 Posted on 25/7 11:20
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I hope we sign him, let's be honest how many here honestly would of been happy seeing Christie or Gook as first choice last season? that's what we would of seen had Yak or Viduka got injured.

We'd be going from Yak, Viduka, Christie and Gook to Yak, Smith, Aliadiere and Tuncay, losing Viduka was a loss but surely that's got to be an upgrade in terms of depth?

Possible lineup:

-------------Schwarzer--------------
------------------------------------
Young----Woodgate----Poggy----Taylor
------------------------------------
Tuncay----Boateng----Arca----Downing
------------------------------------
----------Smith----Yakubu-----------

I'm not sure about Tuncay on the right, I know he's played there for Fener but it seems a waste, I'd rather we signed a true right winger. The problem comes when we lose Yak to the ACoN, do we use Tuncay as a striker? or Aliadiere on the right or as a striker? at least we have some options but we still need another right mid (Appiah please).

ray192 Posted on 25/7 11:21
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Sky sports

Link: link.

Big_Shot Posted on 25/7 11:22
re: MAN U confirm BORO interest in SMITH.

Its just the attitude of us being grateful that any England internationals might even consider joining our club that I just don't get. We've came on leaps and bounds over the last 10 years or so yet I keep hearing people say things like this.

I'm fine with the signing of Luke Young, he should be a good bit of business. But his England day are numbered, he only got a handful of caps because of injuries to others anyway. Smith has never done it for England and he should be finished at that level, and will be once he leaves Man Utd.

Would people be saying the same if we were signing Vassell and Richardson, they are England players also. Thats my point. We're at a level were just having England caps is no longer reason enough to get into the Boro side.

ray192 Posted on 25/7 11:28
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B_S

But we haven't signed Vassell richardson so you have no arguement there,yes i accept what your saying should we be happy maybe not but then who is even your big four are never happy. And as for Young only having ex amount of caps who has more since G Neville made the spot his own?.

Gravfox1986 Posted on 25/7 11:32
re: MAN U confirm BORO interest in SMITH.

i reckon its a great signing if it comes off southgates trying to adding more english internationals and smith although may not have scored loads of goals in the past but he always gives 100%

possible team next year:
Schwarzer
Young woody pog arca

boeteng
morrison downing
tuncay
smith yakubu

thats what id play anyhow!! would be class on pro 6

Big_Shot Posted on 25/7 11:36
re: MAN U confirm BORO interest in SMITH.

Its still relevant though if people think that we should be happy with players because they have England caps. There have been quite a few caps over the years who weren't that special. So the England cap argument means nothing to me. Vassell was a far better international striker than Smith.

Err, off the top of my head, Danny Mills, Phil Neville, Jamie Carragher.

Cockney_Barra_Boy Posted on 25/7 11:38
re: MAN U confirm BORO interest in SMITH.

As I said in another thread, I'd rather we went for someone like Kallon who would come in as a quality squad player and be rotated with Aliadere and DLG.

I like Smith, just don't think he should walk straight into the team as I'd like to see Aliadere given a chance.

All this is academic anyway as he'll end up at Everton.

--- Post edited by Cockney_Barra_Boy on 25/7 11:39 ---

ray192 Posted on 25/7 11:39
re: MAN U confirm BORO interest in SMITH.

B_S

What since Neville made that spot r/b were talking his own . Ok if so i will accept that .

ray192 Posted on 25/7 11:41
re: MAN U confirm BORO interest in SMITH.

C_B_B

Have Everton got the money they were saying the other day that they can't compete now.

Cockney_Barra_Boy Posted on 25/7 11:46
re: MAN U confirm BORO interest in SMITH.

Well I can see Beattie going to Blackburn for
£3m and Everton have definitly got £4.5m kicking about as this was the moeny they had for Nugent, but wouldn't go to the £6m Preston wanted.

They are just playing games with this 'we've got no money' bollox, the bonus payout from Man Utd winning the league (Rooney deal) gives them some more wedge as well.

Every team should have about £6m minimum to spend unless they are really in debt, and Everton aren't. They've only signed Pieneer on a loan so shouod be able to offer £5-£6m for Smith.

Durham_Red Posted on 25/7 11:54
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IMO Smith would be a very good signing, we are need of another forward who can lead to line, cos at the moment if we lost Yak for any period of time I think we would struggle.

These first XI arguments are pointless as we will hardly never have all players available and the perceived first XI will change throughout the season as form fluctuates and players take their chance when it arises.

IMO our squad can take two additions after Young, a CF and a RM, with neither Euell or Mendi really considered. With Riggott also available if a good value bid comes in for him.

ray192 Posted on 25/7 11:57
re: MAN U confirm BORO interest in SMITH.

C_B_B

Yes i think you could be right.

ray192 Posted on 25/7 11:59
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D_R

We will lose Yak in the new year if picked for the african Nations cup . I think it's next year anyway? .

kermit_the_smog Posted on 25/7 12:05
re: MAN U confirm BORO interest in SMITH.

I'm quite happy at the prospect of signing Smith. We need another striker if Tuncay is going to be our right winger, if Yak goes to African nations and does his usual of not scoring after January then we'll only have Aliadiere up front.

We NEED competition for places up front, Smith will gives us that, he's also got international (albeit not much) experience and also champions league experience. I think he's a good player and just what we need, he's mobile but also with added strength. I don't know many other strikers that we could attract for a decent price.

If Aliadiere or Yak aren't happy about the signing then they need to train harder and play better to earn their place. At the moment they only have LDG as competition as Tuncay is going to be our winger.

slipshod Posted on 25/7 12:05
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I was sceptical when this was first announced but the more i think about it i think he would be a good addition to our team/squad. He would offer 100% commitment and drive, he holds the ball up well and given the chances he would score goals. I think people have their Leeds/Man u hating spectacles on, if and its a big if he comes to boro i think the fans will really warm to these attributes he has. But as someone said earlier i think he will go to Everton.

Guisboro Posted on 25/7 12:08
re: MAN U confirm BORO interest in SMITH.

Today's story is a bit of a none story is it not ?

It doenst tell us anymore than we already knew - i.e all it says is we are interested. We knew that already.

It doesnt actually say if the offer is accepted, or if Smith is remotely interested in even talking to us, never mind joining us.

Good signing IMHO though.

ray192 Posted on 25/7 12:10
re: MAN U confirm BORO interest in SMITH.

I think we will sign a right winger a box to box midfielder and another striker . Thats without the signings of Young and Smith . I know your your going to say what with but i can just sense it thats all now where's my pills .

ray192 Posted on 25/7 12:14
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G_B

It does it never said before we had permission to talk to him so i dont think we talked to Smith never mind him turn us down thats what it tells us .

ray192 Posted on 25/7 12:17
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S_S

I have yes i'll admit it but if he signs for the BORO then i will cheer him on .

Spoff_MFC Posted on 25/7 13:19
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Get him signed, if he'll come.

ray192 Posted on 25/7 13:30
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Smith given go ahead to talk to Boro

Wednesday, 25 July 22:16 AET Digg This!


Manchester United midfielder Alan Smith has been given permission to open talks with Middlesbrough.

Sir Alex Ferguson had already confirmed that the North East club were interested in signing Smith, and now the player has been allowed to start personal negotiations regarding a transfer to Teesside if he wishes to.

The 26-year-old has struggled for first-team chances since returning from a broken leg and dislocated ankle which he suffered over a year ago.

The arrivals of Nani and Anderson have further reduced Smith's opportunities of first team action, something which Middlesbrough boss Gareth Southgate could offer the former Leeds man.

roswell Posted on 25/7 13:32
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MIDFIELDER?!?!

ray192 Posted on 25/7 13:34
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Roswell

If he signs i think thats were he'll play with Arca.

roswell Posted on 25/7 13:36
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Be'ave yersel. Surely he'll play up front?

ray192 Posted on 25/7 13:41
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Roswell

I'm not really sure i think he's being brought in to replace Boateng.

roswell Posted on 25/7 13:44
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Now I know yer 'avin' a laugh.

ray192 Posted on 25/7 13:47
re: MAN U confirm BORO interest in SMITH.

No i'm not the Boat has been a great player for us yes but his legs have gone sadly Gate says he wants pace so Boateng is out of that ffs wether it be Smith or not someone will replace him.

roswell Posted on 25/7 13:53
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I understand that Boateng needs to be replaced sooner rather than later but I thought Smith was only used in midfield when United were short of players.

MarkW_21 Posted on 25/7 13:54
re: MAN U confirm BORO interest in SMITH.

If he's signed as a Midfielder, id probably have him, although £6million is steep.

If he's signed as a Striker, No, let Everton have him. By signing Smith, we may be open to offers for Yakubu, who is our main goal threat.

ray192 Posted on 25/7 14:01
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Roswell

I think he is actually i'm not really as i dont really like the ex scummy Leeds TVVAT .

zaphod Posted on 25/7 14:19
re: MAN U confirm BORO interest in SMITH.

Smith only looks like a midfielder when he's playing as a striker. Similarly he only looks like a striker when he's playing in midfield. In short, he always looks as if he's playing out of position and would be better playing elsewhere.

Ferguson bought him with the intention of converting him into a midfielder. Selling him is an admission of failure.

ray192 Posted on 25/7 14:27
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Zaphod

Well that could well be right thinking about it.

TheSmogMonster Posted on 25/7 14:32
re: MAN U confirm BORO interest in SMITH.

Smith wasn't bought as a Midfielder!

He was bought as a Striker, about week later they signed Rooney, so Smith got knocked back behind RVN, Rooney and poss Saha.

About 6 months later Ferguson said he saw a lot of Roy Keane in Smith and thought he could get a game as a midfielder, and it didn't work.

sasboro Posted on 25/7 14:40
re: MAN U confirm BORO interest in SMITH.

fergie bought smith for the role that rooney is doing now. but when he got the chance to sign rooney that pushed smith out of the way. It worries me if we end up with smith and aliedaire up front. total lack of goals.

Boromart Posted on 25/7 15:25
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Unproven in goalscoring terms is a fairer assesment rather than a balck and white conclusion that there would be a 'lack of goals'. When Smith plays a full season up front he gets about 8-10 goals....these days that isn't too bad, assuming he issigned as a striker.

Alliadiere is not proven either as a goal scorer or non-goalscorer, because he only started FIVE league games at Arsenal.

He started 22 games in total and scored 9 goals. 1 goal every 2.44 games.

It is difficult to know how well Alliadiere will do, but the bits I have seen of him over the last 3 or 4 years I am very confident he will do well because he has pace, quick feet, and is direct - that scares defenders.

The shortfall from the Yak/Viduka parnership would need to be made up from midfield by Tuncay (assuming he will be right mid), Downing etc.

It is undoubtedly a bit of a gamble for us, but we have to gamble because we have just lost Viduka and we don't have a spare 15 mill to buy a direct 15 goal a season replacement.

--- Post edited by Boromart on 25/7 15:28 ---

ray192 Posted on 25/7 15:38
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B_M

A very good post .

kermit_the_smog Posted on 25/7 15:40
re: MAN U confirm BORO interest in SMITH.

I can see it now, Downing whipping in a peach of a ball for Smith to smash home a bullet header in the last minute to win us 3 points at OT.

zaphod Posted on 25/7 15:44
re: MAN U confirm BORO interest in SMITH.

Smith and Rooney were both signed in 2004, a few months apart. Ferguson must have had his eye on Rooney when he signed Smith 3 months' earlier. There were only 3 or 4 games played in the 2004/5 season before Rooney came in.

Big_Shot Posted on 25/7 15:46
re: MAN U confirm BORO interest in SMITH.

'He started 22 games in total and scored 9 goals. 1 goal every 2.44 games.'

Here we go again.

Aliadiere has 1 league goal in 28 appearances for Arsenal. The other 8 goals came in the Carling Cup, against weaker sides. I'm not even knocking the lad as I think he'll be a decent signing but lets be honest about his previous record.

Boromart Posted on 25/7 16:24
re: MAN U confirm BORO interest in SMITH.

B_S, I'm being honest about his record -- "Alliadiere is not proven either as a goal scorer or non-goalscorer" - it's too early to say he doesn't score and too early to say he will be a goal machine.

He has started FIVE league games for arsenal and scored ONE goal. You can't tell anything from that.

Yes most of his starts have been in the league cup....if you claim they are less worthy because it is against poorer opposition then you must also note that he is was playing in a makeshift side of kids for many of those games.

Just to spice the discussion up, Alan Shearer 10 goals in his first 77 league games, I'm sure people accussed him of being a non-goalscoring centreforward also.

It's amazing how many people have written Alliadiere off, that he can't score even though the lad has rarely played. If you repeat a rumour enough times does it become fact?

I would wager that many off those with a negative view have never watched Alliadieres movement and dribbling ability.

--- Post edited by Boromart on 25/7 16:25 ---

Big_Shot Posted on 25/7 16:37
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I just think you'd be better off highlighting his good attributes then rather than trying to make his goal record appear more impressive than it is. 9 goals in 22 games is a very good record, but however it isn't Aliadiere career record.

Most reasonable people won't read too much into his goal record anyway, as its always difficult for any player to find goals(or even form) who finds their opportunities very limited.

People should always give new signings a chance regardless of what they might have previously done, but lets not build them up too much. I think 8 goals from Aliadiere would be a very good return next season. Your stats suggest he should score more.



--- Post edited by Big_Shot on 25/7 16:40 ---

ray192 Posted on 25/7 16:44
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B_S

Yes thats when you can tell he needs a long run .

kermit_the_smog Posted on 25/7 16:44
re: MAN U confirm BORO interest in SMITH.

Didnt Utd only sign Rooney because the geordies went in for him?

I think i remember Fergie saying he wanted to wait another year but Newcastle going in forced his hand.

They like signing England internationals after good tournaments.

Ferdinand after impressing in wc 02 Rooney after euro 04 and Hargreaves after wc 06.

It'll be Downing after euro 08!

wydnej Posted on 25/7 16:47
re: MAN U confirm BORO interest in SMITH.

If I recall correctly Ferguson didn't want to sign Rooney that year, the only reason his hand was forced was through the talk of Newcastle putting in a mega offer and the fact that he didn't want to lose him.

(no matter how fake the bid from the skunks was)

For my part I'd rather have Smith here than not have him, we may not be able to make any other signings so think of it like that.

Wyddy

Boromart Posted on 25/7 17:19
re: MAN U confirm BORO interest in SMITH.

B_S that stat was just a direct response to the idiots who claim he is a non-goalscoring centre-forward. I was just showing that you could argue differantly on the small amount of info avail.

People like sas allude to us being in trouble in the league because he 'doesn't score', well in that league he has 8 starts and 28 subs, 836 minutes or 9 games fragmented over 6 seasons! It's too early to judge, but I have seen many class touches by him on TV and I have Arsenal mates who rate him and think he got a duff deal there.

If you take his entire career thus far, he has under-acheived, but some of that was out of his hands:-
- injury,
- used as a scapegoat by Strachan at Celtic after only playing 20 mins as a sub when they lost to Bratislava in the chumps league
- played in midfield when on loan,
- injury again,
- transfer blocked,
- stuck behind the worlds best striker
- Bergkamp extending his career by 2 further years.


I am confident that he will get into double figures given a good run in the side, that is my opinion, and it is based on what I have witnessed, not just following the crowd as some do.

I'm not bigging him up as a superstar, but for the level we are at I'm confident that he will get 'enough' goals and be one of our better players.

--- Post edited by Boromart on 25/7 17:21 ---

sasboro Posted on 25/7 17:26
re: MAN U confirm BORO interest in SMITH.

comparing him to shearer is a joke! shearer scored a hat trick in the elague against arsenals mean defence when he was 17. by the time he was 24 he was probably close to 100 league goals. I have no doubt that aliadaire has pace and a bit direct, but he still hasnt done enough in the league. he had various opportunities out on loan to prove he can score goals. the jury is out on if he will do it consistently to be a regular goals scorer. my gut feeling is he will end up on the right because of his pace and coming from deep. then southgate will push tuncay up front who has a better eye for goal.
for someone who is 24 aliadiere goals record is pretty poor. something like 11 goals. and thats taking into account is limited chances at arsenal. if he was going to score more goals he would have got more 1st team games.

basically he may have a the pace and trickery but has he got the natural ability and instict to find the back of the net or will he end up better on the right wing

Boromart Posted on 25/7 17:33
re: MAN U confirm BORO interest in SMITH.

"comparing him to shearer is a joke! "

Bet won with self. I just knew you would say that. As you are well aware I am not comparing them technique or ability-wise. I am using Shearer as a way of proving that you cannot judge a player after a handful of games because in Shearers first 77 games he scored 10 goals. After that hattrick he failed to score for another 18 months, you should at least tell teh whole story sas.

If you would prefer to look at age rather than number of games then Alliadiere is on a par with Ian Wright at the same age.

However you look at you can't make a black and white judgement of a player after so few games.



--- Post edited by Boromart on 25/7 17:37 ---

Cobain_94 Posted on 25/7 20:17
re: MAN U confirm BORO interest in SMITH.

Why not just wait and see sasboro? You may be right, we may have an injury free season and Aliadiere doesn't get a look in and whinges about lack of chances in the first team, or he plays every game and doesn't hit a cows arse with a banjo. On the other hand you might be wrong and he might just turn out to be a decent signing or better.

Everyone was writing off Arca this time last year, me included, he turned out to be a good signing. Either way I'm willing to bet you've seen as much of Aliadiere as I have and I would say I haven't seen enough of him to judge either way.

As for Smith, he'd be a welcome signing to me, lots of energy, fitness, work rate, good technique and hold up play, a team player if nothing else. He can finish as well although his goal record suggests otherwise. He hasn't had a steady run in a team since his Leeds days when he was younger.

Vlad_The_Kinder Posted on 25/7 20:47
re: MAN U confirm BORO interest in SMITH.

He looked poor in Man.Utd's midfield and as a striker he won't get a enough goals. He's one of those players who has all-round good ability but it's difficult to see what he actually does really well.

RavsDad Posted on 25/7 20:53
re: MAN U confirm BORO interest in SMITH.

The long discussion about where Smith would play for us reflects the fact that otherwise quite knowledgeable football fans have no idea where he CAN play.

Most recent available information suggests that he's desperately average in either position. And to say that Ferguson doesn't want to let him go is bollox. If you want an example of Ferguson not wanting to let someone go, check the Heinze situation.

At £6M Ferguson is coughing discreetly up his sleeve and trying not to soil himself. If we've offered anything like that, I despair. He's not superior to Cattermole in a midfield position and it's extremely questionable if he's superior to Beattie up front.

Spectacular?? Yes. A spectacular waste of money.

ray192 Posted on 26/7 5:43
re: MAN U confirm BORO interest in SMITH.

Just thought but i hope i'm wrong like if Smith signs and Yak leaves he may play as a lone striker in a formation of 4 - 4 - 1 - 1. As i said i hope i'm wrong with Smith leading the line. Does anybody think this would be good line up?.

ray192 Posted on 26/7 5:57
re: MAN U confirm BORO interest in SMITH.

If all fit.

..............Schwarzer.............

Young...Woodgate..Huth....Taylor

Aliadiere..Rocky..Arca...Downing

..............Tuncay................

...............Smith................


Maybe Boat for Rocky.

I still think it will be this upto yet say all signed and all fit.

................Arnie..............

Young......Woody Huth.....Taylor

Tuncay...Smith....Arca....Stewy.

...........aliadiere...Yak......

ray192 Posted on 26/7 6:46
re: MAN U confirm BORO interest in SMITH.

BTW i still dont think he'll sign.

ray192 Posted on 26/7 6:52
re: MAN U confirm BORO interest in SMITH.

Anybody know who he is? .

Middlesbrough turn to Nantes star Pieroni
tribalfooball.com - July 25, 2007

Nantes striker Luigi Pieroni is interesting Middlesbrough.
Boro boss Gareth Southgate is turning to Pieroni as Manchester United striker Alan Smith continues to baulk over the prospect of moving to Teesside.

Bukowski_MFC Posted on 26/7 7:33
re: MAN U confirm BORO interest in SMITH.

"as Manchester United striker Alan Smith continues to baulk over the prospect of moving to Teesside"

Slightly insulting article (if you can call it that). I'd take it with a very large pinch of salt. It was probably written by a geordie with a grudge.

--- Post edited by Bukowski_MFC on 26/7 7:34 ---

ray192 Posted on 26/7 7:33
re: MAN U confirm BORO interest in SMITH.

SMITH IN £6M EXIT TO BORO
By Alan Nixon 26/07/2007
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MANCHESTER UNITED are letting England striker Alan Smith talk to Middlesbrough about a £6million transfer as Sir Alex Ferguson shows him the door.

Smith has agreed to speak to Boro and may even fly back from the Far East tour early in a bid to sort out his future.

Boro are prepared to pay Smith a huge salary to tempt him into the deal.

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They know he is a little reluctant to join and would rather go to Everton.

But Boro chairman Steve Gibson has agreed to the valuation, which is lower than expected, as United help Smith find a new home.

Smith is still also being chased by Ever ton who now have to match the offer or risk losing out.

Brick_Tamland Posted on 26/7 7:37
re: MAN U confirm BORO interest in SMITH.

I wouldn't be surprised if the valuation is closer to the £4m-4.5m mark. I hope that he does sign and that his performances can endear him to some as a player if not as a a person.

ray192 Posted on 26/7 7:44
re: MAN U confirm BORO interest in SMITH.

B_T

I think it will be less than 6m defo .

Brick_Tamland Posted on 26/7 10:45
re: MAN U confirm BORO interest in SMITH.

Fresh hopes in Smith chase

Jul 26 2007

by Eric Paylor, Evening Gazette


BORO are ready to step up their interest in £6m target Alan Smith.

Gareth Southgate will make a new inquiry after Manchester United gave their broadest hint yet that the England striker will be allowed to leave Old Trafford.

But, despite reports elsewhere, Smithís agent has denied that Boro have been given permission to speak to the 26-year-old.

Smith is still in Asia on tour with United, and there are no plans for the player to fly home early.


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However when the United squad do return, Smith is likely to seek further talks with Sir Alex Ferguson.

It appears that Smith will be told he can leave for the right price, whether United sign potential replacement Carlos Tevez or not.

The news has given Boro fresh hope that they can pull off a £6m deal for the player and reunite him with his former Leeds United colleague Jonathan Woodgate.

However Smith is almost certain to have options if given the green light to talk to clubs who match Unitedís valuation.

Everton have also asked to be informed of all developments.

If the Toffees were to come up with £6m, then Smith would have the opportunity to stay put in the North-west but other clubs could also show interest.

Smith, who also plays in midfield, does not have to leave Old Trafford because he is still under contract.

But the possible loss of his regular place at United, with the likelihood that this would effect his England chances, will probably lead to him looking elsewhere.

United sources have told the Evening Gazette that Everton would almost certainly be Smithís favoured destination.

But thatís where Southgate would have to draw on all his powers of persuasion to try to convince the former Leeds United man that Boro are on the up.

Meanwhile Southgate is due to complete one new signing this week by snapping up £2.5m right-back Luke Young.

The Charlton defender has passed his medical at Rockliffe Park and it appears all that remains is the processing of the transfer forms.

Young has remained on Teesside this week and yesterday played a round of golf with his new team-mates at Romanby Golf Club.