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juninhosdad Posted on 27/7 17:39
Why I didn't renew. Letter sent to Middlesbro

I sent this letter to Alan, the commercial director and the contact us link on the web site. I still haven't had any response even though my wife has had the standard email from Gareth( I haven't). I haven't posted this in the past but after the numerous posts that seem to state that the people that do not renew are not true Boro fans (I certainly am) I thought it was time to show that even with an argued letter the club do not think it is worth even acknowledging a letter.

14th June 2007

Alan Bage,
Finance Director
Middlesbrough Football Club
Riverside Stadium
Middlesbrough
TS3 6RS

Dear Alan

I am writing to explain why my son and I are extremely reticent to renew our season ticket this year. As the Financial Director of the Company, I hope the reasons can be taken on board and considered in the future when it comes to pricing and renewal of season tickets.

I have held a season ticket since 1999 (though I have been attending matches since 1972 when my family moved to Marton ) and my son has now had one for 4 years (he is now 13). We do not live in the local area; as you can see from our records we live just outside Wakefield and therefore have a round trip of 140 miles to support the club.

I have never considered giving up my ticket (apart from after the bureaucratic nightmare put in front of us when my son lost his season ticket in the house last year, which you kindly managed to sort out after the ticket office put up so many obstacles in our way ) however the benefits of having a season ticket do not add up any more. This is not that I cannot afford the ticket but it is cheaper for us to attend the Riverside on a pay as we go basis. Surely this cannot be correct.

Firstly, though on the face of it there are economic benefits of being a season ticket holder when you examine the facts, you are punished for showing commitment to the club.

The ticket is purchased in advance, indeed the deadline date has been brought forward every year, so now it is nearly 2 months before the beginning of the season. The excuse is that the money is needed to purchase players early in the transfer window, though this has rarely happened over the last 8 years.

It is stated that there is a saving on the day price for the ticket especially for the A listed games but this policy seemed to be scrapped at the later stages of last season. If you take this in conjunction with the clubs reducing match day prices to attract casual fans (Kids for a £1 or £5) means that we are penalised by paying full price for each game for my son. No compensation is given to the season ticket holder.

The vagaries of kick off times at home over the last 3 seasons have made it more and more difficult to attend especially with my son now playing football for the local village. As we now have to take our summer holidays during August (not during school term) we will always miss two or three games; this reduces the value of the season ticket considerably. This year we will miss at least the first two games against Blackburn and Newcastle; that is a waste of £80.

I appreciate that as a season ticket holder we will get preferential treatment to purchase cup final tickets. However due to the different patron numbers on our season tickets I will always have to wait until the last wave of season ticket applications to apply if I want to sit with my son, if we actually get a ticket in this way. We had to purchase our tickets for the UEFA Cup from another source as we did not get a chance of purchasing from Middlesbrough.


If I or my institute treated our members in the same way then we would be in trouble.

Finally the amount of additional money that the club will get from the non Sky deal next year - £30million+ (not to mention the increased money from Sky), surely the loyal season ticket holders should be considered, not just putting the money in to the pockets of a series of players who may consider putting in an effort when their contracts are up for renewal or they are looking for another club. Many clubs such as our first visitors Blackburn Rovers have reduced their prices by 20%.

I really do not want to give up our tickets, indeed I was considering getting a further ticket for my 8 year old daughter, but as you can see from above I cannot really justify an advanced commitment to an organisation that does not seem to give my son and me the same commitment.

My son and I will continue to support Middlesbrough with passion but unless the above points are considered and a well argued response is sent, it will be on a match by match basis without the pressure of attending a home game at 8 o’clock on a Monday after a long day at work, when I can sit at home and enjoy the game with a red wine.

--- Post edited by juninhosdad on 27/7 17:49 ---

The_Commisar Posted on 27/7 17:43
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well put together letter, good points well made, be good to see the reply
more power to your word processor

Lefty3668 Posted on 27/7 17:45
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Good letter. Did you only send it today though? If so it's a bit harsh to complain you haven't had a response yet!

bandito Posted on 27/7 17:47
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"without the pressure of attending a home game at 8 o’clock on a Monday after a long day at work, when I can sit at home and enjoy the game with a red wine."

what a load of tosh!

karembeu_ca Posted on 27/7 17:47
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well thought out and well written.

whenskiesrgrey Posted on 27/7 17:49
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Try Zontes Footsteps, a delightful Red.

BoroMutt Posted on 27/7 17:50
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I can't see what you expect the club to do for you. Anyone who lives outside the immediate area is going to struggle to justify buying an ST. It isn't compulsory and you shouldn't feel that you are less of a fan for not doing so. However, I feel that it would be impossible for the club to offer you anything that would compensate for having to miss several games due to holidays or whatever. A season ticket only makes sense for someone who would go to every game anyway.

juninhosdad Posted on 27/7 17:50
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Sorry re the date at the top of the letter word automatically changed it to todays date when I copied it. This was sent on the 14th June (as I have now edited the post) Thanks for pointing it out.

glur Posted on 27/7 17:50
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What Bandito said.

John_Waynes_Jacket Posted on 27/7 17:53
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friend of mine sent something similar asking why he should renew his family's three red books after not getting tickets for uefa final, didn't get a reply.

sent a second letter , outlining the same points and pointing out this was the second time he'd written and that if he didn't get a reply this time he would be cancelling his three red books.

result, no reply and three season tickets and three boro fans lost to the club.

borobadge Posted on 27/7 17:58
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juninhodad....

i understand where your coming from and many of the points you make are valid ones.

like you i live many miles away, and with family and work commitments its impossible to attend all the home games, as i see it, it is easy on that front to take apart and demolish the 'financial' deal, clearly if your not getting to just about every home game the financial benefit is lost...
there is also the travel cost's on top and again i understand that as well.

but (theres always a but) i continue to financially back and support the club, because fortunately i can, i pay the minimum amount of £390, i happen to think thats one way of supporting the football club even when were not there, i also have my mind set that i honestly and truly believe that Steve Gibson deserves our/my support, what that man is doing for the football club and the good folk of Cleveland (and beyond) is utterly remarkable.

i just want to continue to do my little bit to having our football club working and provide an outlet with top class players and teams on display in Middlesbrough, for the people of Middlesbrough and surrounding areas.

the fact that our season tickets havnt gone up in price for seasons now, is also enough for me to keeping putting my small bit in...and so for those reasons i'll continue to get a 'stadium entrance card'

all the best to you and your family and up the boro.

jaimemoreno Posted on 27/7 17:58
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14th June it was sent and no reply, that's very shoddy from the club. At least some sort of response should be sent even if it comes across as slightly generic

juninhosdad Posted on 27/7 18:07
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Borobadge
Thank you for your comments, I will always support the Boro and will carry on financially supporting the Gibson dream ...for goodness sake we all went through the 70's and 80's .It is a matter of principle that I wrote the letter I just think that the loyal supporters are being taken for granted by our club. I will be there every game that I am in the country and also the cup games. Fortunately I know I will still get our seats in west stand lower with all the great fans and friends I have made over the last 9 years (the letter was wrong I have held a season ticket from 1998)

TheSmogMonster Posted on 27/7 18:12
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Very nice letter,

I think the economic points are very valid, indeed its why I haven't gone out and got a couple of season tickets, miss a couple of games, which living away you will... season ticket looks expensive.

juninhosdad Posted on 27/7 18:46
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Is it worth resending the letter? (This letter was emailed and sent ) I think that true fans are being taken for a ride and the management team do not want to know.

John_Waynes_Jacket Posted on 27/7 18:49
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in my experience , no , its not worth the cost of the stamp

juninhosdad Posted on 27/7 18:50
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I agree

Boro_Gadgie Posted on 27/7 18:55
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Although I've renewed, I can understand where you're coming from. Personal cirumstances seem to dictate your decision not to renew and I think we all respect that. You obviously believe it's not practical to renew your season tickets. I don't blame you. I don't think Gibbo would ever deliberately take the fans for granted, but football in general, especially in the premiership does take fans for granted.

I do think that there are so-called Boro fans who live locally, who's apathy towards backing Gibbo needs to be addressed.

holgateoldskool Posted on 27/7 18:56
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Send it to the Gazette - see if they can get answers from the club. Never underestimate the power of local media.

LeeHamo Posted on 27/7 18:59
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I stopped reading at 'reticent'

RedWurzel Posted on 27/7 18:59
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A good letter I think the club missed a trick in not reducing prices a little as compensation for TV's increasing coverage.

I travel with a fellow Boro fan who has season ticket he lives 250 miles from the Boro. We see a number of Boro fans who travel 500 miles for a home game in the Star and Garter. Its our commitment to the club. I can't get to as many games as I would like, but I envy people who live even 50 miles from the Boro in the football season.

juninhosdad Posted on 27/7 19:11
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holgateoldskool

I thank you for the idea, I am not doing this for me or I would have posted the thread when I wrote the letter. I am just tired of the comments re the people that are getting tired of being taken for granted. I do love the club and cannot stop reading all the rumours. We will do well next season and I will be there but not as a season ticket holder

Totality Posted on 27/7 19:12
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"Send it to the Gazette - see if they can get answers from the club. Never underestimate the power of local media."

Vickers has probably reworded it for an article by now anyway.

juninhosdad Posted on 27/7 19:19
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Sorry this might sound thick but is there a direct email address to go to comments to the sport section of the gazette

george123 Posted on 27/7 19:22
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juninhosdad - a well written and totally logical letter.
Borobadge - you old twat - similarly a good point of view.

No one is right - Mr Badge joins a club , pays £390 membership and goes to as many or as few games as he wants - as he says he can afford it.

JD - reflects a more poignant view and one MFC should look at more closely. What exactly are the benefits of a season ticket? The sky oclock kick offs make it difficult for many to get to games due to other commitments . The prevalance of TV coverage is a major factor in empty seats.
Surely as you said why didnt Boro take the £50m(alledgedly)sky money and slash prices. In Alkmaar last season I shared a few beers with an Ajax fan - season ticket £110- for a champs league team. He laughed at our prices.

The club harps on about cup final tickets - ask those S/Ts who didnt get an Eindhoven ticket what they think of that.

Theres no right and wrong to this - however MFC as always seem to bury their head in the sand at times. Surely better to have 26,000 s/ts at £190 than 14000 at £390 - I know the initial money is higher but match day sales and atmosphere will soon claw that back.

As for me - Ive begrudgingly had an s/t since the Riverside opened as I perceived that demand would initially outstrip supply. Its now a habit but MFC better not take me for granted. Prior to Riverside I thought s/ts were for west stand oldfarts

sean_boro Posted on 27/7 19:23
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"The ticket is purchased in advance, indeed the deadline date has been brought forward every year, so now it is nearly 2 months before the beginning of the season. The excuse is that the money is needed to purchase players early in the transfer window, though this has rarely happened over the last 8 years."

are you totally fuckingcrazy?

fatharrywhite Posted on 27/7 19:25
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dont wish to pull your letter apart but a few points:

the deadline date has ALWAYS been end of June. the renewal forms might get sent out earlier but the date has always remained the same

The Kick off times have got nothing whatsoever to do with the club and as for cobblers about having to go on holiday in august and missing games!!!??? take that up with the PL not the club -actually, more to the point school holidays start the middle of July so a two week break you'd be back well in time

Why didnt you just send a letter basically saying they cost too much cos that's what it all boils down. instead of waffling on in the hope that a nice long letter with a few big words might get a response

sean_boro Posted on 27/7 19:35
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people like you must aggrevate the hell out of the people who run the club.

yeah, let's just change everything we do just cos some bloke who lives too far away can't get to the games as easily as the rest of us. boo hoo.

grow a spine mate, get a life and move closer if youre bothered enough to write a letter to the club and then post it on the internet, hoping for a heavy dose of ego massage.

trodbitch Posted on 27/7 19:36
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Not sure what sort of response you are going to get here, if one at all. You haven't really made any demands but justified why you won't renew. Ultimately, you don't have to justify it to anyone.

bear66 Posted on 27/7 19:38
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I think the other 10,000 who haven't renewed might be worring the club a bit more. At least the letter puts one spectator's experience into perspective. Hopefully the other 10000 will do the same and we'll get a drop in season ticket price next season.

Four in our family going this season (one new season ticket holder) which means 10001 may not have renewed.

karembeu_ca Posted on 27/7 19:39
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john_wayne:

"friend of mine sent something similar asking why he should renew his family's three red books after not getting tickets for uefa final, didn't get a reply.

sent a second letter , outlining the same points and pointing out this was the second time he'd written and that if he didn't get a reply this time he would be cancelling his three red books.

result, no reply and three season tickets and three boro fans lost to the club."

I have emailed the club FOUR times in the last month and have had no reply either. their communication is awful. that was twice through the website, and twice by standard email as well.

fatharrywhite Posted on 27/7 19:42
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10,000 havent renewed then have they? it's getting more and more each week. that would be only 12,000 renewing, did 2,000 change their mind and ask for their money back last week.

karembeu_ca Posted on 27/7 19:44
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fayharry, in 10 years time people will be talking about that season where there were no season tickets sold at all ... uphill both ways ... and Gareth met the fans at the gate cut them up into tiny pieces and danced on their graves.

juninhosdad Posted on 27/7 19:45
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sean_boro
No it is not an ego trip ( I only posted it after over a month of people stating that if you are not a season ticket holder you are not a Boro fan), I wrote this letter over a month and a half ago to explain why I was considering not renewing. As I have stated in the letter and the posts I am still going to the matches. It is nothing to do with the distance I travel. I stated that I will always miss matches forget if it is school holidays I was just stating a fact. (by the way my children finished today and last week). The bottom line I do believe that the argument stands.

Senor_Chester Posted on 27/7 19:45
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Unfortunately the club have done nothing to try and address the point of the falling attendances and embarrasing atmospheres. The way it's going they are only going to get worse.

Surely better all round to sell more tickets at a more affordable price, and with others clubs similar to us doing the same it's a shame we hadn't done something to.

John_Waynes_Jacket Posted on 27/7 19:50
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k_ca, it is a poor club in that regard, even MFI acknowledge complaints , never do anything about it but they do acknowledge them

juninhosmum Posted on 27/7 19:55
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Our youngest kid doesn't break up till the last week in July, due to the stupidity of Wakefield Council, which dictates that secondary school kids break up a week before primary school kids ( the little ones get an extra week at Spring Bank), so no, "fatharrywhite" it doesn't boil down to that. Anyway, I remember season ticket applications having to be in in early July not too many moons ago, and there was a furore then - if you were a season ticket holder then?!!!

stocko_mfc Posted on 27/7 20:05
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I think theres too much pressure on fans to obtain season tickets, its as though your not a true fan if you dont buy one. As most have pointed out theres not a real benefit in obtaining one, especially if you know your going to miss some home games.
I go match by match now, i dont get to all the home games but try to attend the majority of them, and find im enjoying the experience much better.
Dont let the "Ive had my season ticket XX amount of years" type of fan make you feel any less of a fan because you have other commitments which require more of your attention than football.

shortandbald Posted on 27/7 20:07
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There is NO deadline for buying a season ticket. The deadline is for getting it a a very slightly discounted rate andretaining your red book status, though that is nol longer applicable. As I understand it now. Even if you renew after the date for the discount you would still retain your patron number status (although the lettering has now changed) and if you are a long standing season ticket holder you would still get first refusal. I understand the part about having to wait till his prewfix get dealt with if you want seats with you son at finals etc, but other than that, your arguments are about personal choice rather than bad management of the club. They can't take every single individual circumstance into account. My personal opinion is that going on recent seasons performances on the pitch I can see the argument for not bothering anymore, but with the direction the club has shown it wants to go on the playing side with the pace and attacking football that the new signings suggest we will enjoy this season, I think your timing is way off in chosing this season to give up your STs.

BTW not accusing anyone of being less of a fan for picking and chosing, but I can't imagine giving mine up for anything. I've even worked out how to save for next years if I do get made redundant and don't get a new job straight away.

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Rio_Verde Posted on 27/7 20:10
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Most people realise now that the club doesn't need fans-- it just needs the money-- and recieves this in abundance from the new TV deal. When it (the club) needs the fans back, I'm sure they will come calling, perhaps even begging. Until that time however, sit back in your armchair, drink your red wine or whatever and watch the box. (offset the purchase of a season ticket with a nice plasma or something similar)!

John_Waynes_Jacket Posted on 27/7 20:11
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exactly so stocko, this season ticket fascism is all bollox, not many bothered with them at ayresome

RavsDad Posted on 27/7 20:12
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I started buying a ST when the Riverside opened and have continued since. Before that I stood in the Holgate and my support for the Boro has never wavered.

But at renewal time it's always hard to justify the cost. I used to pay on the day at Ayresome but then it was about £8. People could go on impulse. Nowadays with prices of twenty or thirty quid it's a harder decision for those who didn't renew.

What the club should consider is that when a season ticket holder doesn't renew, he may not attend more than a few times a season, or even at all. The slippery slope of it being easier (and cheaper even if you have a big thirst) to go to the local probably leads to losing that supporter for good.

Most, if not all of the clubs of our size have agressive pricing for kids and families. We seem to flirt with incentives. Three ways we have a chance of filling the Riverside again:

1- Sign the modern equivalent of Juninho with as much fanfare as possible - who is the Brazilian player of the year? Come to think of it - even that might not fill it now;

2- By brilliant management and player acquisition we play out of our skins and stay in the top half dozen playing champagne football! Hmmm.

3- Make DRASTIC cuts in family and kids tickets, especially for mutiple kids applications - they're the future!! That might just do it.

And stop raping the season ticket holders by offering cut price tickets for one-off matches to non-ST holders. Unless the ST holders get an appropriate refund.

fatharrywhite Posted on 27/7 20:16
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" if you were a season ticket holder then?!!!"

i've been a season ticket holder since 1988 since you asked

boromaff Posted on 27/7 20:18
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"The vagaries of kick off times at home over the last 3 seasons have made it more and more difficult to attend"

Good point, let's not bother with Europe again, it clearly get's in the way of a good Sunday lunch.

juninhosdad Posted on 27/7 20:23
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fatharrywhite
shortandbald
Firstly fatharrywhite I am not blaming Boro for the kick off times the piper plays the tune . I was just putting my personal point that with a child playing for his village team it does cause problems. As for school holidays again it was a personal point however if I miss 3 games it makes it un economic to purchase a ticket (school holidays are an irrelevance a st holder next to me has to be in china 4 weeks a season and he is considering his options though he has had a st for a great deal of time)

shortandbald
Thank you for your comments (and the rest of the board red wine haters included)I agree it will be a great season but I will be there probably more this year as I will go to the early rounds of the cups and away games (Living in Wakefield I have quite a choice though Boro are the only Yorkshire team in the prem. Can you imagine how much better it is for my son now leeds are in the third division , we now have a growing Wakefield/Stanley Boro supporters club!!!)

karembeu_ca Posted on 27/7 20:24
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john_wayne, the really galling part was that I had emailed Newcastle as well, I got TWO responsed from them in less than a day, my issue having been escalated immediately, and resolved!

shortandbald Posted on 27/7 20:24
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Boromaff

I know that bit got me too. We want the club to be successful, don't want to contribute to paying for the success and moan like fook at the consequences of that success, i.e. having to change kick-off times to accomodate being attractive to a TV audience and/or playing in Europe.

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juninhosmum Posted on 27/7 20:27
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This is not a spur-of-the-moment decision - we have lost so much money by buying two season tickets in the last three years, plus the fact that we had to get tickets for the UEFA Cup Final on Ebay (which only arrived the morning of travel).
It is just not worth it any more. We toss a coin to see who goes to the Monday night televised game, and I usually lose, so I have to go.
I'm sorry, but you're blinded. Football is not about the fans any more, it's about how much the players and their agents can earn. I went to many games last season - I can't think of more than one or two which I actually enjoyed before facing the 1 hr 20 minutes drive back in total darkness.
I suppose it's OK if you live nearby - you can go to the pub, discuss the game and forget about the bad times, but for us every game is an investment, every time we lose or draw, my son's got to go back to school to be derided for being a Boro supporter (and we live in the Leeds United catchment area!) - even after the UEFA Cup Final.
We are not fair-weather supporters - we would have renewed if the club had given us an incentive, e.g. under-16 season ticket holders, when the club made games "kid for a quid", it would have been nice if they had given vouchers to the tune of the difference between the £1 and the price that was actually paid for their ticket for that match, to spend in the club shop - not asking for a refund, just a fair recompense.
We pay an extra £20 per match than the locals do, in petrol costs, at least. Don't dismiss us just because we don't live in the immediate area - we show more commitment by travelling.
We have a right to be disgruntled.
By the way, what happened to the "world-class signing" we were promised before everyone shelved out on their season tickets?
Alan Smith, anyone?

flakey_scrotum Posted on 27/7 20:29
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The bottom line here is that the chub is haemorrhaging paying supporters less than 18 months after being in a major European final.....although this process has been evident for several years now.

While the answers to the problem are many....the club continually do themselves no favours. A sensible pricing policy to encourage more young people through the doors has yet again been missed. While a price reduction may not guarantee increased season ticket sales....it would more than likely reduce the flow of non-renewals.

I can't see how the shortfall in season ticket income by reducing prices would drastically reduce spending power in the transfer market. If anything, potentially increased sales would mean more match day sell-ons.

Either way....this problem needs addressing as long term it's difficult to see where the future support is going to come from!

fatharrywhite Posted on 27/7 20:29
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you said

"My son and I will continue to support Middlesbrough with passion but unless the above points are considered and a well argued response is sent, it will be on a match by match basis "

how exactly do you expect them to respond to your problem of missing games cos your son plays village football and you have to go on holiday and august?

John_Waynes_Jacket Posted on 27/7 20:29
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boromaff , sandb

juninhosdad wasn't blaming anybody for the changed kick-off times , just pointing out that not being able to get to the games is a disincentive to buy a season ticket.

or do you think he should buy one even if he can't get to the games.

fatharry , acknowledging receipt of the letter would be a start

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juninhosdad Posted on 27/7 20:31
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boromaff
Sunday Lunch, it has nothing to do with the Eufa cup. The first 9 games or so in the league in 2005 were on sky which changed the time. I or my wife (at the time of the season who ever lost the toss)Attended.

I have not enquired or cast any insult on any one who has posted but as a matter or queriosity when do you leave to attend the match? As a lot of posters on here out side the Boro area on a Sunday match do not have Sunday Lunch or Tea and are lucky to get supper.

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fatharrywhite Posted on 27/7 20:32
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"By the way, what happened to the "world-class signing" we were promised before everyone shelved out on their season tickets?"

AAAAAARRRRRGGGGHHHHHHHHH!

we were NEVER 'promised' a world class signing (or spectacular signing however you want to put it).

Gibson said we want 4 signings and he HOPES one or two COULD be spectacular..

Misquote of the summer??

juninhosmum Posted on 27/7 20:32
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Soory, "fatharrywhite", but I clearly remember the deadline being the beginning of July and the rumblings on this message board!

OPEO Posted on 27/7 20:33
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I found it rather childish and giggled.

shortandbald Posted on 27/7 20:41
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I agree the club don't give an incentive to buy a kid season ticket when they pander to the occasional supporter without compensating the season ticket holders, that does stink of bad mamgement, but at the same time your other aguments i my opinion don't add up. You are not more or less committed depending on how far you travel to games, if you go to the games you as committed end of. There was no promise of a world class signing, the statemet was that he was "hopeful" that at least one would be "spectacular". Tuncay, although not well know to us IS a spectacular signing. Did you realise Arsenal had a multi million pound bid turned down for him a couple of years ago . He is revered in Turkey as the best player they have ever produced. Plus there is still time for more signings, which we are actively pursuing. What's to say that any further signings won't be spectacular. At the end of the day it is down to personal chioce whether you renew, b ut for me, it is not about the club, it IS about the team and despite the shortcomings of the commercail department of the club, the team will always have my support. I sincerely hope that you do manage to get to more games this season, but without the inmcentive of having the season ticket that is already paid for, given the travelling involved, how long before it becomes the nornm to say ah, well we'll just give this one a miss and we'll see next match, and before you know it you won't bother coming at all.

(sorry about the typo's was trying to write it quickly

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juninhosmum Posted on 27/7 20:42
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Oh yes, "fatharrywhite", we were promised. We took it with a pinch of salt as we are used to these promises.
But answer me this - where is all the extra money going to? We haven't signed anyone expensive, we haven't signed anyone "world - beating". WHERE IS THE MONEY GOING?!!!
The club has a fortune in its coffers, and they think they're doing us a favour by freezing prices. JOKE!!
If they wanted to keep the fans, they'd have reduced the prices across the board, prices which have increased by 25% in the last 10 years - well, that's what my husband's ticket has increased by.

Tom_Fun Posted on 27/7 20:43
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Why do people feel the need to explain why they're not renewing? It's your money, do what you like with it.

shortandbald Posted on 27/7 20:44
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What 'extra money' the money from the new TV deal doesn't come until the END of the coming season

RavsDad Posted on 27/7 20:44
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I think that a few of you have found the obvious weaknesses in juninhosdad's letter and are concentrating on castigating him.

Don't you think that the club have to come up with something better than an e-mail plea from Gareth and an often misquoted "promise / hope / suggestion" of a spectacular signing or two just before the deadline for discounted ST's?

If, that is, they want to stop haemorrhaging (as Flakey said) season ticket holders.

shortandbald Posted on 27/7 20:49
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Ravs dad, I'm not trying to castigate him for his decision, I said I can see his reasoning, and it's a personal choice. He obviously wanted to discuss it or he wouldn't have posted about it. I just think with the players we have signed (spectacular or otherwise) and the promise of far more entertainment on offer this season, that he has xchosen badly from a timing perspective.

boromaff Posted on 27/7 20:55
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I live in Billingham.

In all honesty on Sunday games I get up about an hour before kick off and drag my hungover self to the stadium (also missing Sunday lunch).

I think you have some very valid points in your letter, introduce financial incentives at the start of the season to ensure a full(er) stadium all season long, not panic price slashing at the end of the season offering no reward to those of us who have paid in full all season long.

Although I would rather see the stadium full than empty.

The very least I would like to see is reduced cup tickets for season ticket holders (a fiver or a tenner).

On the flip side I'd gladly pay an extra £100 on my season ticket price if it went to bringing in the players that would get us into Europe again next season.

Where can we get a decent right winger for £100?

juninhosdad Posted on 27/7 20:59
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RavsDad
Thank you it was a genuine letter not designed to be posted , as stated before this was a responce to previous posts that castigated those of us that made the democratic right to decide when we go to games ie if we have no choice in missing them though other commitments.

Tom_Fun
I agree however I wanted to make appoint to the club that you need to concider the fans. I would have not made the choice that I did if they had thought of the ramifications of paying season ticket holders with their promotions and still expected a 13 year old to pay full price for a ticket when non season ticket holders where paying £1. I applaud the club for setting under 11 season ticket prices at £95 pounds but my son has had to pay in the last 4 years over £200 for a ticket.It is not selfish as stated again and again we are attending all the games,it was just a point warning the club that loyal fans are not blind.

RavsDad Posted on 27/7 20:59
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Appreciate that, sandb.

He's protested privately with no response and now he's doing it publicly. I think he's got a point where cost is concerned and also with ST holders whose family started later wanting tickets together at cup ties.

IMO he's hurt and as he says, he doesn't want to give up but the figures don't add up.

ccole Posted on 27/7 21:19
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I haven’t read most of the posts on here, just the first few.

Everyone has the right to renew, or not. There are many faults I could also pick with our club, but I honestly believe that the people who run MFC are doing it to the best of there ability with the best interest of the fans and town at heart.

I remember back in the early eighties, praying for a knight in shinning armour to come and take our club to the old 1st Division, and even win something one day.

That knight came in the form of Steve Gibson. As long as he runs our football club, we (me and my son) will always get a season ticket to support him (as long as I can afford it).

I don’t think I have ever bought a match ticket thinking I will get value for money. I buy it because today might be the day I see John Hendry beat 11 Millwall players and score, or Emerson score a goal that makes me turn around to my lad and ask “how did he do that”, or come from behind to win 4-2 twice in one month in the UEFA cup.

Football for me is not about VFM, its about the hope and dreams, and no one can deny that our club is giving us more reason for that over the last few years than at any other time in its history.

It’s the shyte times that make the good times even better.

juninhosdad Posted on 27/7 21:21
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george123
Thank you george123 a well reasoned response. As you may gather I only post or respond when I am passionate about a subject.

juninhosdad Posted on 27/7 21:27
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ccole
Again thanks for the response. I am not talking about value for money. I will still be attending matches but why should I pay money for something my son and I are not receiving. If they set the prices to make it beneficial to by a ST a would (for goodness sake I have for the last 9 years)It was a hard decision but the letter outlines why.
Thanks again

Paul_9 Posted on 27/7 21:28
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Where abouts do you live mate? I'm a Boro fan living in Ackworth. Gave my seaon ticket up in 2006, fed up with the poor football, traveling and fixtures being moved around all over the place.

fatharrywhite Posted on 27/7 21:31
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"Oh yes, "fatharrywhite", we were promised"

show me one quote where gibson promises a big name signing and i'll pay for your families season ticket next season.

he NEVER said that.

as for 'where's the money gone' in case you didnt notice we spent 7 million on woodgate

RAYMOND_HDD Posted on 27/7 21:39
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"Gibsonand#8217;s promise of two spectacular signings to capture the imagination and put bums on seats has galvanised Boro fans in a way not seen since the star spangled procession of Juninho, Ravanelli and Emerson."

Link: are yer paying for my ticket too!

John_Waynes_Jacket Posted on 27/7 21:44
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on the other hand

"I honestly think we have the chance of pulling off one or two spectacular signings "

i think it was the idiot vickers that turned this into a 'vow' and a 'promise'

--- Post edited by John_Waynes_Jacket on 27/7 21:48 ---

Link: what steve gibson said

fatharrywhite Posted on 27/7 21:50
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proves my point.

thinking you have a chance of pulling of spectacular is a lot different then saying 'i promise we'll make a spectacular signing'.

it was only tabloid journalists putting a spin on it for a sensational headline that had fans wetting themselves expecting one to appear

fatharrywhite Posted on 27/7 21:52
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raymond

where are the speech marks around that statement.....there isnt any cos the gazette put the spin on it. the actual quote was nothing like that and is in johns link

juninhosmum Posted on 27/7 21:52
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"I honestly think we have the chance of pulling off one or two spectacular signings that will excite the fans."

OK, "fatharrywhite", but we seem to have this every year when season tickets are up for renewal. and nothing ever seems to come from it....

John_Waynes_Jacket Posted on 27/7 21:53
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what you say is true fatharry but my guess is that's exactly what our chairman expected to happen.

juninhosmum Posted on 27/7 21:55
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"fatharrywhite", where's the rest of the money been spent? Not on the fans.

fatharrywhite Posted on 27/7 22:00
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7 million on woodgate was the vast majority of this summers spending gone.

george123 Posted on 27/7 22:10
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Basically MFC are an amateur organisation - off the field that is. No real marketing/PR structure - never listen to their customers.

If mFC was a proper business itd be bust by now - oh sorry been there and seen that - its only gibbo and sky that stop it dioing so

Plea to MFC from one who cares - LISTEN TO THE FANS FFS.

borobadge Posted on 27/7 22:25
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what a brilliant informative thread....(thanks juninhosdad)


weve all aired our point of view and differences..

and got lots of information.




e.i.o...come on the boro..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Brick_Tamland Posted on 27/7 22:41
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I've read all the posts in this read and I think juninhos dad's argument weakens as it develops.

This 'Gibson promised' nonsense makes people sound like spoiled children. How many of you had ever seen Juninho play before he signed and was just breaking into the Brazil team? In Tuncay we have an established international with fantastic pedigree and the reputation of being a crowd pleaser. He is, by many accounts, a world class player and has the potential to be a better player than Juninho ever has been. In Woodgate we have a first-rate international from our hometown signed from one of the biggest clubs in the world. And people say 'where is our spectacular signing' that we were promised?

What planet are you on? Who the hell do these sorts of fans want? Riquelme? Schweinsteiger? Ronaldo? We can try and, on a rare occasion, we might get lucky, but is it realistic to expect these 'big names' every summer when we cant pay the wages of the nouveau riche like West Ham? And what the hell is wrong with Alan Smith? He's played in bigger games than most of our squad and has the respect of Ferguson and Keane.

Quite frankly, juninhosdad, if you don't fancy the long drive from Wakefield to Boro to watch Boro then that's fine. Nobody is putting a gun to your head. If you prefer to sit at home quaffing red wine and listening to imbeciles like Andy Gray on Sky rather than go to the match then that is also your decision. Quite where this indicates a failing on MFCs part I have no idea.

By the way, your use of the word 'reticent' is incorrect. Don't use sophisticated vocab if you can't use it correctly, and be especially careful when using such terms in the first line of a letter.

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sasboro Posted on 27/7 22:54
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Some of it i can agree with and others bits i understand

I can see your point about no financial benefit having a season ticket if during the season they offer kids for a £1. that is always a risky strategy by boro that may annoy the season ticket holders. On one hand they want to attract new fans but then on the other hand they cant p1ss off season ticket holders. like in your case there is no point having a season ticket.

living away from middlesbrough can be a pain for midweek games, i miss most midweek games because its too far to drive and financially is too much of a hit.

I dont think we have had that many monday night games over the years. But i do think the uefa cup run had a knock on effect on season ticket holders with cr ap sunday kick offs and playing weakened teams. I think that annoyed a few season ticket holders.

Do whats best for you and your family and don't let anyones opinions make you any less a person. it can be expensive and a commitment to travel long distance for home games. and if you miss some games it makes financial sense not to have a season ticket. if the club only thinks in terms of finances then why cant the fans?

The sad thing is that MFC have no ambition to make boro more than a local club. So if you live outside the area they probably arn't bothered. With the popularity of premier league all over the world the club a missing out on extending the fan base.

Senor_Chester Posted on 27/7 23:05
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"it was only tabloid journalists putting a spin on it for a sensational headline that had fans wetting themselves expecting one to appear"

No, it was Gibson who put the spin on things to sell tickets. As much as you defend it these things are said every year and usually fizzle out.

Schenkers_V Posted on 27/7 23:46
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I think the over all point is that football has changed. The game is now about CASH !! add how to empty the supporters pocket of it.

I packed in my ST during the Robbo reign. Could see it coming !

HUMBERRED Posted on 27/7 23:56
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Last season was my first s/t less season at Riverside and i didn't miss a game that i didn't want to see. I still go to most home games as well as quite a lot of away games. The thing is now that i know that there is seats a plenty for every home game and a lot of people will not make the up-front commitment because they know that is the case. I don't think the prices at Boro are bad to be fair and the more season ticket holders the better. I think this is a very important season for the club as regards how attendances will shape for the future. Let's hope that soon we will be all clamouring for season tickets again but i think them day's may have gone.

zaphod Posted on 28/7 7:12
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I'm more or less of the same opinion as juninhosdad. The pricing structure is wrong. The relationship between season ticket prices and ordinary matchday ticket prices acts as a disincentive to buying a season ticket, even without the occasional cheap tickets for kids. You have to go to virtually every league game for a season ticket to make economic sense. Even if you live locally, for most people there are always work problems, occasional illnesses, family problems etc which prevent you getting to every game. These days if you can't make it you can't give your season ticket away, let alone sell it. Season tickets should be priced at no more than 16 bottom price match day tickets. Lower would be even better.

Though I'm working abroad at the moment, I'll be back in a couple of years, but I won't buy a season ticket. As I live in London, getting to Monday games and midweek games from London is difficult. Even the 5.15 kick-offs on Saturday are a problem for travelling. As a churchgoer, I also don't like to go to too many Sunday kick-offs. All told, I would miss too many games to make a season ticket an economically viable option.

The problem with fans not buying season tickets is that no season ticket makes it an easier decision to miss a game, so the club suffers financially too.

bandito Posted on 28/7 7:21
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So, the moral of the story folks is dont buy a season ticket if you arent that dedicated in the first place.

zaphod Posted on 28/7 7:34
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Depends what you mean by dedicated. Having other priorities is normal for people who have a life.

bandito Posted on 28/7 7:46
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I have a life and juggle both. It's quite easy when you plan.

shortandbald Posted on 28/7 7:50
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Same here bandito, Like I said on an post last night, I am at risk of being made redundant and have already planned how I'm gonna save for my season ticket next year if the worst happens and I do lose my job and don't find another immediately.

I also suggested what Zaphod has just said that once you give up the season ticket, you lose the incentive to go and even if you start off intending to pay each week match by match it soon becomes very easy to say let's give this one a miss and before you know it you are out of the habit completely and another fan is lost for good.

Perry_Combover Posted on 28/7 7:51
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it was easily forseeable last season that unless the club moved on season ticket prices, sales would fall. the club chose not too.

the only way to fill the ground is to reduce prices significantly. bottom line.

a full-house and good atmos every home game, compared to 24000 and a rubbish atmos is probably worth a few extra points in the league. would only take one place upwards, 500k in prize money, to cover any shortfall in ST prices.

the club have ballsed up massively IMO in not responding properly to the downward trend in ST sales

zaphod Posted on 28/7 8:42
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bandy, it's not a case of planning. When you don't see much of your family during the week, the weekends are precious time and there are times when you have to give them priority. Illness and crises can't be planned. Living away from the Boro, it's usually easier to get to away matches. When I'm living in UK, I tend to go to as many away matches as home ones (maybe 75% of both).

Proctors_Perm Posted on 28/7 9:41
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there is one major factor that allows this discussion to take part. Middlesbrough have a supply and demand problem, they have more supply than demand at the moment, consequently you are all questioning whether you need to rush to every match, when you see empty seats at the riverside. We talk about the buzz of the early riverside days, the football wasn't that great, it was the fact of the sell out home games that made it exciting.

Having lived in london for the past ten years (before that i went to every home match from 1986 - 1996), i catch the occasional away match and occassional home match, and its exciting as ever for me, you all need to remind yourselves why its so much better to see live football on a saturday, screaming at the officials etc etc. I still maintain that if the club could ban the screening of the home matches (not the away matches) in boro on match days there at least maybe a desire in wavering fans to make the effort to go down.

Zoophonic Posted on 28/7 9:45
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"A season ticket only makes sense for someone who would go to every game anyway"

Only in a financial sense. I buy one because I know it supports the Club, maybe in some small way but that gives me pleasure.

red_rebel2 Posted on 28/7 9:52
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The club can only compete and be exciting and be successful if crowds are buoyant and morale is high so falling ST levels IS a massive problem and one that has increased over 4/5 years now. If it wasn't a problem Gibbo and Lamby wouldn't go public so often on the need to shift them.

There is no point being sanctimonious and saying those that don't renew aren't as committed as you are, that they don't care. That is nonsense. You don't know other people's circumstances, priorities, motivations and passions.

To call someone who has travelled 200 miles per match for ten years plus or whatevere but now calls it a day a "part-timer" is just bizarre. They have been the superfans and deserve praise and a bit of help from the club and other fans.

A lot of people make a lot of sacrifices to go to games and need to constantly win the arguments with themselves that the expenditure of time, money and emotional energy is worth it.

It is down to the club, and the crowd, to keep on giving people help to win those arguments: by making the journey and the match seem worth it, with a team that performs, a match day atmosphere that is compelling and a feeling around the club that encourages waverers to feel they are wanted, needed and part of it.

The the most obvious indication that the club are not winning those arguments (or even attempting to try) is that Juninhosdad never even got a reply to what is clearly a heart-felt appeal to be heard.

The comment from John Waynes Jacket makes it even worse: even when warned that if there was no reply he would wrap in three red books there is no response.

That is where the club are losing the battle for hearts and minds. All the work rebuilding on the pitch is constantly undermined by this most simple and unforgiveable error: the club have no mechanism in place to communicate with supporters and seem oblivious to the consequences.

HolgateEnd Posted on 28/7 10:40
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Juninhosdad, try sending your e-mail directly to Dave Allan (Dave.Allan@mfc.co.uk) and Keith Lamb (Keith.Lamb@mfc.co.uk) and see if you get a reply. I have written to these two with a couple of complaints/queries over the last couple of seasons and on all occasions have received a response from Dave Allan within a week (normally less).

It's well worth a try. By the way, I agree with some points of your arguement. It does infuriate me when the club do these offers (buy one get one free against someone a couple of seasons ago; kids for £1 one game; kids for a fiver another etc etc). Doing the offers is fair enough, and I understand why they do them, but they should compensate ST holders the same amount - as juninhosmam said, club shop vouchers would be good so at least the club as a whole is not losing the money, they're just getting it via a different avenue.

At the end of the day though, buying season tickets is optional. Of course we'd all like to have 35000 there every week (and bearing in mind that there was 150k on the streets of Middlesbrough for the cup parade, there should be) but it aint gonna happen. We're now stuck in a rut, where the club need the money up front to buy quality players, and the fans want to see who we buy before deciding if a ST is worth the money. Whatever the club do, it's going to be wrong for some people, although I agree that they don't take fan's views into account as much as they should, given that we are their livelyhood.

branston Posted on 28/7 10:41
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Sympathise with juninhosdad - also travel some distance from midlands to home games (250 mile round trip) - started with six of us - now down to 4 (was very nearly 0 this year) . If I was honest I renewed not really because I anticipated a season of champagne football - but really because the Boro is my team and needs my / our support . I realise this is a two way street and the club could have made a gesture this year by using the revenues from Sky to subsidise the tickets . We are not just a small towm in Europe - we are a small town in England - and a small town in the North East . We are even now punching well above our weight . I have supported the Boro since 4 - and have travelled to home games for over 30 years - I can recall the bad days when there were more on the pitch than in the stand !! I dont want to go back there - but I fear we are now at critical mass . The apathy of the last few years has now snowballed .
I read some of the comments on this site and can picture some of the contributors - we must have the most pathetic bunch of fans in the Premiership . We are quick to whinge and always have a smart arse reason not to turn up , not to sing , not to buy shirts etc etc etc In fact anything thats longer than its wide is down to somebody else . Instead of taking a pop at Juninhosdad have a look at yourselves .
We need to fill the ground again - may not seem to some of the younger posters that these are the good times - enjoy it while you can - - if we were to go down I doubt we would pass this way again .
Time to get back in to the ground - if we get to the cup final this year the same whingers will be bellyaching about not getting tickets when they have not missed a game (despite not being arsed to get off their barstools and get bahind the team for the last 12 months !) .

angelmatty Posted on 28/7 12:22
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Well written letter but you chose to live so far away thats not the clubs fault.

But i can understand your annoyed that they havent even replied.

burydweller Posted on 28/7 12:55
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You do not represent the average supporter, and boy, dont you want us to know it on here. For the club to run smoothly it has to have a stable plan. They can not change things for wine drinking moaners or for people with individual circumstances or opinions.

You need to get real, football clubs offer a grunting measure of macho entertainment for 90 minutes, now and then. I have been to the ballet in Moscow, and Opera in Milan, however, I know what football represents, a differing culture altogehter, stop moaning, and understand, if you want wine and empathy at a football match, it may arrive when hell freezes over. I hope that helps you.

MartinManor Posted on 28/7 14:33
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Part of MFC Mission Statement:

CONTACTING MIDDLESBROUGH FOOTBALL CLUB

Middlesbrough Football Club is committed to providing the best possible service to its supporters and customers. We continually strive to improve in all aspects.

Our customer relations mission statement is: under promise/over deliver.

We welcome feedback on the club, our activities or staff. If you have criticism, praise, complaints or simply general feedback, then contact us in confidence.

Write to: Dave Allan, Media and Communications Manager, Middlesbrough FC, Rockliffe Park Training HQ, Hurworth Place, near Darlington, Co Durham, DL2 2DU.

The club will endeavour to respond within 10 working days.

Middlesbrough Football and Athletic Company (1986) Ltd, Riverside Stadium, Middlesbrough, TS3 6RS. Registered in England No. 1947851. Vat No. 746 7738 83


Note the second last paragraph.

They continually fail to live up to this target.

Link: Cut & pasted from this page

tropic_of_cancer Posted on 28/7 14:50
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I can't be bothered to read every post of this thread but one thing's clear:

Juninho's Mum, Dad and son, youre obviously true and loyal Boro supporters but you live in Wakefield ffs! So you've given up you're STs due to increased commitments? Don't f...ing worry about it. Just get to the games you can and don't let any small-minded dkhds guilt-trip you about being less-than-true. They'd employ the same pragmatism were they in your shoes, believe me.

God, 'perspective' please - all-round!

erimus73 Posted on 28/7 15:24
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I am a shift worker like many on Teesside. I have had my season ticket since the move to the riverside. I used to go at ayresome park and pay at the gate simply because it was easier, and there was always a guarantee of seeing the game.
Even using the small amount of holidays I get,I always miss between 3 and 6 home league games a season. I have again renewed but gave serious thought to not renewing due to the ease of now seeing all league games. I would probably not however attend a night game in Feb after completing a 12hr dayshift. I have seen it with many people who have given up, saying they pick and choose games, the reality is that it breaks a habit and many of these people now hardly ever go.
The worrying thing is to get these people back is difficult, it will take a really good season or spectacular signing to get people wondering again.

Beelzeebub Posted on 28/7 18:01
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If you go to the cinema every week it makes sense to buy one of the monthly season tickets. Similarly if you go to every home game it makes sense to buy a Season Ticket for Boro. If you don't it's stupid and pointless. Go to as many games as you want and don't worry about it.

If the club were perhaps a little smarter they might try doing ten game passes you pay for ten games up front and get a discount and you can use the ticket for ten games (any ten or perhaps the next ten - whatever). I've never seen that suggested but why not? It might be workable?

juninhosdad Posted on 28/7 23:39
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Firstly I would like to thank everyone that has responded to this post.

I would like to reiterate that this was a private letter that I would not have posted on the board, had it not been for the negative reaction of people who have stated that to be a true boro fan you have to be a season ticket holder.

Points that have been misunderstood

I will be attending all games at home I am available to attend(mileage and cost have nothing to do with the letter, it was only stated to emphasise where I lived in the letter.)

I wanted to emphasise that season ticket holders were taken for granted, not that they were mugs. I have held a ST for 9 years however I and my dad have been attending games since 1972 (when we moved to the area).

I did send this letter to the Finance Director (in letter form) as you may gather he helped out in another matter we had with the club. However I did also cc it in to Dave Allan etc when I sent it electronically, but still have had no reaction (thank you for the advice)

At the end of the day I have had some wonderful responses and some negative responses. I was not on an ego trip but just wanted to show what a true fan of our club wanted to say before he made a decision to cancel his and his son's ticket. I didn't want to do it without explaining why! and giving the club a chance to give me a reason why I was far from happy.

I seem to have been drawn in to the debate re the spectacular signing; I did not state anything or the sort in my post or letter. As a matter of point I am very happy with the signings we have made (another 2 would be ideal) but this had nothing to do with the post.

At the end of the day I think the club has not thought through its policy for season ticket holders.On the positive side it has stopped the blackmail, ie if you do not renew by this date you will no longer be a red book holder (That always made me annoyed). However it has not addressed the impact of promotions on the loyal supporter.


I support the club and the fans and will be there this season as I was Hartlepool 1986, Chelsea play off,Sutton away etc etc.

juninhosdad Posted on 29/7 0:22
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red_rebel2
branston
Thank you!!!

shortandbald Posted on 29/7 0:26
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As I said earlier I never tried to castigate you for your decision, my thought were that your timing is possibly out, my worry about your decision is as stated that once the 'handcuff' of the season ticket is removed that it becomes much easier to start missing matches to the point that you then stop altogether, and are lost to the club as a supporter. I'm not saying necessarily that this will happen in your case, more using it as a generalisation to highlight the problem the club faces with dwindling ST sales.

HalfManHalfParmo Posted on 29/7 0:30
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juninhosdad.Can't fault yer mate!I'm in a similar position and haven't renewed my three ST's.

Imagine if everyone was a member of the 'I'm renewing regardless' brigade! The club would love it and it would fook it up for everyone else!

juninhosdad Posted on 29/7 0:36
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shortandbald
I understand, I have talked to a number of supporters on a similar subject and they agree with your point. I have thought deeply about it and for the first season I do not think it will happen.Actually I think I will see more games. Bobby (ie Fly me to the moon editor knows me well and should back this up).However I see your point.

shortandbald Posted on 29/7 0:37
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HalfManHalfParmo I can see your point and I'm not having a go at anyone who makes that decision, it must have come after a lot of difficult thought on the subject. Everyones viewpoint is different and mine is that I renew to support the team. I wish that the club off the pitch was run a lot better, but my opinion is that it isn't the teams fault that the commercial and marketing departments of the club are an embarrasment for a proffesional organisation. I will continue to show my support of the team regardless, while reserving the right to critisise the way other areas of the club are run.

shortandbald Posted on 29/7 0:43
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juninhosdad, I don't doubt your intentions and I see your reasoning. I am lucky enough only to have myself to buy for. I hope that you do continue to go as often (if not more so) as before and we can only hope that the off the pitch organisation of the club has a major shake up in the non too distant future and buying season tickets for your family becomes financially sensible for you again. It does remain the case though that no matter how well a club is run, that with THousands of fans/patrons/customers any club would find it impossible to keep every single one happy. Sad but true I'm afraid.

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HalfManHalfParmo Posted on 29/7 0:47
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shortandbald.Fair enough chief,certainly wasn't having a pop at you.

Player's wages are obscene,we all know that and in a perfect world people would use 'people power' and stick together and refuse to pay for expensive ST's.

That will never happen so those who do renew, respect those who don't and visa versa.

shortandbald Posted on 29/7 0:57
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Agreed mate, though if someone was to offer me X thousands of pounds a week I doubt I'd turn it down either . The money the players get though is more down to TV and other commercial money than what the supporters pay. I believe (possibly more in hope than expectation) that after this season may well see a change when this extra TV money does start flowing into the clubs coffers and the fans contribution becomes relatively insignificant in comparison, that more clubs, and hopefully ours too will decide to slash the cost for the average fan. I can see why it wasn't done except by a very few before we get the money. Look what happened to the first Division sides when the ITV deal collapsed. It proved that you can't do things on the promise of getting a huge wedge of money because it might never appear.

Something drastic DOES need to happen soon or it will become the norm for most teams to be playing to half empty stadiums as fans get gradually priced out of the game.

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HalfManHalfParmo Posted on 29/7 1:10
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Aye,spot on Gadge!The biggest gripe for me personally was the cost for the 12 y.o. was £245 but for the 10 y.o. it was £120.
Most places of entertainment have Adult.Student.Under 16 prices.

If they'd introduced a 'under 16' price for £120 then I would have renewed which would have cost me £630.

shortandbald Posted on 29/7 1:16
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That's shocking I didn't know that. How can they justify that. How can it possibly increase before the child gets to 16. it's not like the parents suddenly become richer as the child ages and a 12 y.o. can't go and get a job to help pay the extra. I mean, you need to be 13 even to do a paper round. That IS bang out of order that is.

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TRANSITARMY Posted on 29/7 20:52
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Season ticket's and having to buy players every transfer window (wether you need them or not) are the curse of football.

mick1957 Posted on 29/7 21:10
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The problem is that the Premier League and the clubs in it believe that there is never ending pot of money from TV and that they can really do what they want.We all love to go to live matches,I having being going for 50 years (Brian Clough was the stimulus).I now feel that the first club that gives a benefit to it's fans will be hailed as revolutionary.It would not cost that much compared with transfer fees and player's wages.The clubs are drifting away from their base and a reality check is required - Monday night matches on Sky are going that way.Most players do not realise what percentage of the average fan's salary is paid to their football club.
Oh well I could go on for ever

sasboro Posted on 30/7 0:00
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sounds to me that gibson is starting to lose touch with the fans

mm40 Posted on 30/7 9:58
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sorry to say you have wasted you time, the club has had ample time to do something abot the declining attendances but does nothing. I hope when Lamb looks out onto the terraces, and ses all the empty seats perhaps may admit the club has dropped an almighty clanger. The incentive for renewals should have been at least 25% discount per ticket, plus half price for all cup matches. Opportunity well and truly mised.

wilkos_perm Posted on 30/7 10:22
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i really don't understand what response you are expecting from such a letter. Fine, take the decision not to renew but you can't expect the club to respond to such a specific set of circumstances. Living away, going on holiday etc what do you expect the club to do? Price a season ticket based on 12 games or something?
At effectively £20/match for the North Stand my ticket does make economic sense as i do go to every game - hence "SEASON TICKET" - i.e. for the whole season(obviously this is a lot more expensive than 10 years ago but not too bad compared to most clubs). Even including any special offers this is still more economical.

Make your choice, don't waste other people's time with the details.

bandito Posted on 30/7 10:25
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as poor as it seems I'd imagine that letter to be met with rolling eyes and a polite drop into the waste paper bin.

trodbitch Posted on 30/7 10:30
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Regardin 'under 16 prices'. I think you are painting a misleading picture there. There ARE concessions for under 16s but they go up until when you are 18, not just 16. There is then another set of concessions for under 11s.

Don't let the facts get in the way of things though.

Brick_Tamland Posted on 30/7 10:32
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"By the way, what happened to the "world-class signing" we were promised before everyone shelved out on their season tickets?
Alan Smith, anyone?"

It was this comment that exposed the REAL gripe of one poster. A 20:27 post above. Are juninhosdad and juninhosmum the same person? It seems like they are or have very similar circumstances.

maturesmogette Posted on 30/7 10:33
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In an interview on tv last week when asked if the falling season ticket sales worried him Keith Lamb replied no, winning football matches is my main concern and when we do the fans will come back. I think hes being very optimistic. Once you lose the fans they rarely come back. They have a full list of excuses ready when asked why they don't support the team anymore. Let them stay away and let the real supporters carry on supporting. They can watch it on telly and then tell us whats wrong with the team on a Saturday night in the pubs and clubs and take the mick out of us for being so stupid as to actually attend the games.

sasboro Posted on 30/7 10:34
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you never hear stories on here anymore of how someone contacted the club over something and gibson or lamb personally wrote or rang up the person. Either they get too much mail and so cant get through it all or they just cant be bothered anymore. A good bit of PR would do the club a world of good. no matter how small it is.

bandito Posted on 30/7 10:37
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sas, I think it's hit home to them that we have the biggest bunch of moaners in the UK and they simply cant be arsed.

Brick_Tamland Posted on 30/7 10:38
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I thought Keith Lamb was really good when he went on Century to discuss the club and take calls from fans. We can't expect the club to do this every couple of months and I think Keith Lamb explained why MFC wouldn't be making reductions in the price of season tickets . I don't think PR at Boro is that bad. As a football club that serevs the community (with school days, summer football clubs and the Maddren Centre) I think they do pretty well.

Archie_Stanton1 Posted on 30/7 10:42
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Good letter, but it will just have gone straight in the file on the floor marked "Bin".

Brick_Tamland Posted on 30/7 10:44
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Gibson does retain a sense of humor and does respond to fans. Remember his exchanges with the fan who applied for the managers job? The fact is if I received letters like the one in the original post and was in Gibson's position it would leave a bitter taste in my mouth. To address letters to those appointed by the person chiefly responsible for taking the club from administration to a trophy and UEFA cup final to explain why you'll be having a glass of wine and watching Sky this season seems pretty crass.

swordtrombonefish Posted on 30/7 10:45
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red_rebel2 put's it most succinctly for me, having had 3 dreadful experiences of MFC's 'customer services'.

The club is not geared up to deal with customers on a business level, end of.

In another post/thread he also mentions the club's blindness to future fans, and again hits the nail on the head - dead centre.

Lamb is unable to answer the questions regarding ticket sales etc, simply because the club seems to make no use of business intelligence in it's decision making.

Another season with another ball.

trodbitch Posted on 30/7 10:45
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Dear Alan

I am writing to explain why my son and I are extremely reticent to renew our season ticket this year. Don't worry though, as you read on you'll see that there's pretty much fook all you can do about it.

We do not live in the local area; apparently this is your fault.

I have never considered giving up my ticket (well apart from last year and now). This is not that I cannot afford the ticket but it is cheaper for us to attend the Riverside on a pay as we go basis - that's because we have arranged to do other things when the match is on - again your fault.

Our son plays village football and we decided to go on holiday earlier each year. As a result we miss some matches. God damn you for that Boro. This year we will miss at least the first two games against Blackburn and Newcastle; that is a waste of £80 - by us.

I appreciate that as a season ticket holder we will get preferential treatment to purchase cup final tickets even if, like me, you have only had a ticket for 6 years. If I or my institute weren't able to satisfy a demand higher than the supply in the same way then we would be in trouble.

I really do want to give up my season ticket on account of me not being as bothered as I was before but I thought I'd at least give you no chance to change my mind as the circumstances are mainly my own fault. At least let me write this letter to ease my own conscience and to help justify it to myself.

Please send the boro round my house on Monday nights to play as I am a bit tired and fancy watching them with a nice cheeky red.

Brick_Tamland Posted on 30/7 10:46
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brilliant Trod

bandito Posted on 30/7 10:48
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<applauds Trodbitch>

Multiply that letter by 10,000 and you have the general state of play amongst Boro "fans"

Brick_Tamland Posted on 30/7 10:50
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As an appendix to that you could

PS. Where is the spectacular signing that you promised us?

sasboro Posted on 30/7 10:51
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bandito, its no different to any club. bnut people will maon even more if its just hitting a brick wall with no response from the club. keith lamb or gibson doing another question and answer session on something like radio cleveland will go a long. but then again now they have ditched century the club probably feel they dont need to do any PR as it will fix itself. I remember keith lamb telling us that he sees the long term as tv money subsidising match tickets..maybe the time has come to implement it?

its ok for people like trodbitch who live on the door step and mock some people who live far away but without the fans who live outside the area crowds will be down to something like 18,000. they should be as valued as the ones that have teh ground on their doorstep. the club should at the very least respond to people.

j_orourke Posted on 30/7 10:52
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Class trod, my sentiments exactly (the principle not the practise)

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bandito Posted on 30/7 10:54
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Sas, the club cant physically wipe peoples arses. The option is there, you either buy or you dont. Thats the situation. They cannot physcially bend over backwards for individuals needs. Why should Gibson and lamb go on the radio. it's not in their job description. They have a football club to run - they arent agony aunts.

bandito Posted on 30/7 10:54
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Sas, the club cant physically wipe peoples arses. The option is there, you either buy or you dont. Thats the situation. They cannot physcially bend over backwards for individuals needs. Why should Gibson and lamb go on the radio. it's not in their job description. They have a football club to run - they arent agony aunts.

UgoAfro Posted on 30/7 10:56
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Some people won't be happy until Keith Lamb picks them up, takes them to the match, pays for them to get in and buys them a pint at half time. Anything less than this is 'a disgrace'.

I know they're far from perfect (what business is?) and try to exploit the fans to make money (what football club doesn't?) but I think without a doubt Gibson and Lamb's hearts are in the right place with regards making the club as succesful as possible (without selling out) as the flagship for the town and to be integral to the community.

I think some of the criticism and lack of support for the club at the moment is outrageous. Perhaps it would have been better if they'd let the club just die back in 1986 or languish in Div 4 (prices would be cheaper then, kick-off times unaffrected by SKY). Some people seem to have massive chips on their shoulder and insist the club is conning them all the time when actually all we are paying is the price of success. It's £25 a match and they're 'only' signing England internationals instead of poaching the cream of Europe from clubs in the Champions league. A disgrace.


swordtrombonefish Posted on 30/7 10:56
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bandito et al, the club don't have to "go on the radio"

Have you not noticed the brave new world? An e-mail would suffice for the majority. Ignorance is not bliss.

Capybara Posted on 30/7 10:57
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And he doesn't mean 'reticent' either. 'Reluctant' probably.

trodbitch Posted on 30/7 10:57
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"its ok for people like trodbitch"

The big difference is, I'll never claim that where I live is the club's problem. He won't get the response he wants to the letter because there isn't one to give. He's simply putting the club in the impossible position of demanding they do something about circumstances of his own choosing. He can then tell people that he gave them a chance but they didn't bother and thus relieve himself of any responsibility.

sasboro Posted on 30/7 10:58
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"Why should Gibson and lamb go on the radio."

because its in their interests to do some positive PR to get more people to the game and feel wanted.this is teh problem the club think people will go because they have to. fans are drifting away and the club should be concerned and doing something about it. head in the sand wont solve it.

i think the 'superfans' arent helping things by alienating anyone who dare not go to every game or doesnt have a season ticket. ANY fan should be made welcome no matter how many games they have been to in a season. the club is not in a position to turn its nose up and anyone who is interested in goign to see boro play.

things have to change otherwise the crowds will level out sub 20k! at the moment the club still have a chance to change it

trod, its not just about the club coming back with a solution to the problem its about fans feeling they are wanted. some kind of email or letter is all sometimes people want..customer services. the club ignoring the people who go through the gate is damaging the fan base. the cluib is probably too busy keeping sponsors happy to be bothered about the every day fans. maybe they expect someone like rob_fmttm to do that for them. they are taking the fans for granted. when football wasnt driven by tv money they took more notice of the fans

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wilkos_perm Posted on 30/7 10:59
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Sas i don't see what specific response you could expect the club to give to this letter.
How about this statement from the club "unfortunately we won't be bringing in anymore players this summer as Mr Lamb and Mr Gibson will be spending the next few weeks replying to letters that don't appear to be making any real point, just for the sake of a bit of PR"

by the way did anybody see the letters in the Gazette re ditching century. Totally embarrassing.

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zoec Posted on 30/7 11:01
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Just as an aside, "I am writing" at the start of a letter used to enrage my English teacher in a way nothing else could.

Anyway, back to the debate...

ThePerfectOmlette Posted on 30/7 11:04
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Its a simple choice either you get 1 or you don't, why do people need to validated by the club or by fans for making a decision?

everyone has there own circumstances as to why they get a ticket or not and everybody knows the supposed ads/disadvantages, people make their desiccation's based on that, you dont need to send letters explaining you decision and you dont need to justify it FFS.

i understand what you are saying but i don't understand the point of doing so..

Capybara Posted on 30/7 11:05
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I can see her/his point. A bit of a statement of the obvious.

trodbitch Posted on 30/7 11:09
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zoec, is that a bit like when you say to someone "can I ask you a question?"

Sas, PR? Sounds like spin to me. I don't find PR exciting in the slightest. I quite like football matches for the "you never know what you will get" factor, though. As for being a 'superfan', I don't get to all the matches either but I'm not going to launch into an essay explaining exactly why but on the other hand, I'm not going to try to somehow shift the blame onto someone else either.

holgateoldschool posted the other day about how the club just didn't give him any "warm feeling". When did football turn into group therapy with the club needing to reassure us every step along the way? Just go or don't go - it's simple really.

edit: Sas, type an email and click "send to all". Do you really think the recipients would feel valued by your mass email? The only people who did would feel valued by the "Thanks, come again" printed at the bottom of the till receipt they had shoved into their hand in tesco's. The rest would just grumble about an email that 'told us nothing', a point demonstrated by the amount of times people on here have felt fit to post up 'their' email from Southgate asking them to renew.

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sasboro Posted on 30/7 11:15
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well like i said season ticket sales are falling. if the club dont put some time and effort into finding out and talking to these ones that dont renew then crowds will continue to fall. i can understand the club acting like they do when season tickets sell out but surely you do not ignore your customers feedback. you listen and take it on board especially when demand is falling. But i think the fans are bottom of the pile at the moment with premier league clubs. its going to bite them on the arse if they are not careful. a 5 minute email or letter might go a long way in putting the club in a good light. its only going to get worse until the club pull their finger out and listen to more of teh fans and not jsut the fans who go to everymatch whenever. otherwise we are goign to end up with a hardcore of less than 15,000 fans.

you have to realise that not all boro fans are as hardcore as people on here. but the club should still be making efforts to retain them in a falling demand market.

how far will the crowds drop until the club sit up and listen?

b0r0lad Posted on 30/7 11:19
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it doesn't matter how may incentives you give the fans ie cheap tickets freebies etc, if the team are not playing well they will not come, see what happens if we have a storming start to the season, those that said they cant afford the games will suddenly find the money

Turner_86 Posted on 30/7 12:45
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The only incentive a fan should need is that they are getting to see THEIR team play football, that is what the ticket is for, it's what the price you pay is for. You pay it so you can see your team ,win, lose or draw.

Why the f**k do people think they should get something for nothing.

If you don't want to pay the money to see them play, then don't, but don't bloody whinge about the club because you can't get your own damn way.

MyBoro Posted on 30/7 13:03
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15,000 @ £350 is just over £5 million
25,000 @ £200 is £5 million

So MFC may have a choice rather than a half empty, no atmosphere stadium. TV revenue (the SKY fan) is now the main source of revenue. MFC missed a trick this summer IMHO.

sasboro Posted on 1/8 14:43
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blackburn claim to have the cheapest season tickets in the league. they reduced them and they sold an extra 10%. so maybe if we dropped our prices we would sell an extra 10%, add in the expected drop of about %10 so thats about 4000 extra season tickets compared to what have sold now.

Cart99 Posted on 1/8 14:53
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after reading this letter and a couple of responses...

no wonder the club didnt respond, what a load of bollox. things such as "The vagaries of kick off times at home over the last 3 seasons have made it more and more difficult to attend especially with my son now playing football for the local village." must be the reason the club havent responded, EVERY club has to deal with kick off times changing. And it isnt the clubs problem your son has signed up for a team so the kick off times may clash. do what every other person does give your neice or nephew the ticket for that game.

good riddance imo

PV86 Posted on 1/8 15:25
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Its quite simple; you either buy a season ticket or you make up excuses and dont buy one.

I hope everyone would buy a ST but if u dont then fine, shut up about it. Dont make excuses. Being fickle isnt an excuse.

smogmeister61 Posted on 1/8 15:33
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Blackburn have done well on their pricing.
For a seat equivalent to our North /South stand, the price is £249 plus free entry to all European games.
All ST have free entry to these games included. These rise in £50 increments up to the maximum (their version of the West Stand upper) of £349.(All adult prices ) Dont know what it is for kids. I'll ask me mate.