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bororeddaz Posted on 3/8 12:08
Attn Postmen - some advice

Don't take a job if you think the salary is unfair. Tvvats

Supernovaheights Posted on 3/8 12:18
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Knob Head!

b0r0lad Posted on 3/8 12:23
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beats walking the streets

MarlonD Posted on 3/8 12:27
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Same goes for Nurses and Firemen.

buttermyarse Posted on 3/8 12:30
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Too right Daz...So what if their wage doesnt keep up with inflation..They should think themselves lucky

Questions_Questions Posted on 3/8 12:32
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A silly post. And poor in its delivery.

buttermyarse Posted on 3/8 12:34
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I thought it was first class..

bororeddaz Posted on 3/8 12:35
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Not exactly a skilled job is it. Sack them all and get Polish workers in to walk the streets opening letter boxes and pushing letters through.

Questions_Questions Posted on 3/8 12:36
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It doesn't get my stamp of approval.

Turner_86 Posted on 3/8 12:58
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How much do posties get paid?

Simon1 Posted on 3/8 13:00
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MarlonD, what the fook has nurses got to do with it???

Maddren_Madman Posted on 3/8 13:00
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£300 a week apparantly...which is sod all. but they get to steal anything they fancy so its not all bad.

MarlonD Posted on 3/8 13:01
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Simon1 - Because they're a pack of whining tvvats as well.

Turner_86 Posted on 3/8 13:04
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Posties are meant to be jolly, every postie I see is a right miserable chunt.

My postie is actually my ex's uncle, and I can tell you for a fact he is a miserable chunt, and he never ever delivers my post at a decent time.

chunt.

And he get's his gay brother to give him a hand most days, so he's not even doing a proper job.

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trodbitch Posted on 3/8 13:06
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£300 per week seems like a decent wage for what is a glorified paper round.

mr_r_soles Posted on 3/8 13:06
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"Not exactly a skilled job is it"

Since when has riding a bike not been a skill?

Ch4rlieB Posted on 3/8 13:07
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There just cutting there nose off to spite there face.

They keep this up much longer they'll end up bust with no job at all.

Simon1 Posted on 3/8 13:07
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Really, like when????

Don't tell me, not the footballers donate a days pay?

A_New_Era Posted on 3/8 13:08
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i actually prefer the insult chunt to cunnntt

trodbitch Posted on 3/8 13:08
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"They keep this up much longer they'll end up bust with no job at all."

And very little nose.

BoroGrecian Posted on 3/8 13:19
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actually I take some of the comments made here as a f***ing insult!

my partner is a postman and has been for the past 7 years...and not out of choice, at the time he had to take the job because it was the only thing going in which he could claim a liveable wage....it is liveable no longer since the cost of living has increase and his pay hasn't!

Today is a typical example...he was up at 3am, in work by 4am to sort the mail which had been brought in overnight. He finished his round by midday and will this afternoon have to do a van run to Exeter and will not be home until gone 4pm by which time he will have just enough time to have something to eat before he has to go to bed to be up again at 3am.

Postmen have naff all social life, get sod all pay for it and are being expected to work increasingly unsocial hours for effectivly less and less pay.

On the home front we both struggle to pay the basic bills each month, our holiday next year has only come about because my grandparents gave us the money to go but spending money will be slim. We cannot get a mortgage as housing prices are to expensive to be able to afford one. Oh and in Devon (as in many parts of the country) being a postman or civil servant is a well paid job apparently!!!!!!!

bororeddaz Posted on 3/8 13:22
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should have studied harder at school.

BoroGrecian Posted on 3/8 13:25
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bororedaz: quite simply you are a t**t!

Apart from having served as a police officer during the Brixton Riots, he has 7 O-Levels to his name as well as A-Levels.

So in short...nob off until you know what the hell your blithering on about!

trodbitch Posted on 3/8 13:26
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I don't believe that for 7 years there has not been one job available that paid more than being a postman. He could have trained as a doctor in that time ffs.

The shoes on the other foot when you are having a go at the TA though?

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SplendidStuff Posted on 3/8 13:26
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BoroGrecian i would just ignore bororeddaz, he clearly is out to fish and he seems a bit dim.

MarlonD Posted on 3/8 13:27
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Simon1 - Like most of the time you nobber. Nurses are just another profession who go into it with their eyes open and as soon as they realise that they aren't like Florence fuqin Nightingale and the money is more important than the gratification of job. they start whinging.

bororeddaz Posted on 3/8 13:29
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I'm dim yes.
They're striking over £7.50 per week

BoroGrecian Posted on 3/8 13:30
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trodders: when you're stuck in rural areas of Devon jobs are not easy to come by unless it's farming work. as for becoming a doctor in that time...fine chance that, we've only had a medical school in the region for 5 years! this is devon and cornwall your talking about!

if decent jobs are to be found down here the pay is lower than the national average. In the IT sector to name just one, an IT support worker can get upwards of £20k in other reagions, in Devon and Cornwall your lucky to get £17k

SplendidStuff Posted on 3/8 13:32
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bororeddaz the figure you just stated is completely untrue.

bororeddaz Posted on 3/8 13:32
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"Today is a typical example...he was up at 3am, in work by 4am to sort the mail which had been brought in overnight. He finished his round by midday and will this afternoon have to do a van run to Exeter and will not be home until gone 4pm by which time he will have just enough time to have something to eat before he has to go to bed to be up again at 3am."

DONT TAKE THE JOB

bororeddaz Posted on 3/8 13:34
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£300 per week salary? 2.5% offered = and7.50

BoroGrecian Posted on 3/8 13:34
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bororedaz: go away, get a reality check THEN come back and complain!

you can't just say 'don't take the job' when there's no other freeking choice!!

SplendidStuff Posted on 3/8 13:35
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bororeddaz you are really dim.

You think when her bloke took the job 7 years ago it was like it is now. This is what you cannot seem to grasp.

People took jobs but the job role is changing, and workers are being punished for imcompetence on behalf of the managers.

Is easy to say don't take the job, but imagine your line of work and the job changing to incorporate more work and less pay, what would you do?

MarlonD Posted on 3/8 13:36
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BoroGrecian - move to the North East and stop pleading about your plight.

SplendidStuff Posted on 3/8 13:37
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They're striking over £7.50 per week !!!!!!!

bororeddaz, all postmen do not get paid the same rate. Some people are on contracts that are only for 25 hours per week and many have to work years before they get full time hours.

The strike is not over 2.5%, that is just a small factor, but obviously you have no idea because you had not looked into the factors indepth.

bororeddaz Posted on 3/8 13:38
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If you don't like it move. I'm so dim I have a 40k salary. I have progressed my career and on a number of times I have changed jobs/moved to increase my earnings. I dont go on strike.

SplendidStuff Posted on 3/8 13:41
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Very insightful bunch on here.

If you have work related problems knock the job on the head and become a DOCTOR !!!!!!!!!!!!!! FFS YEAH ITS THAT EASY.

In the meantime you have bills, kids to feed and cloth, and you just supposed to walk out on a job you could have been doing for the last 20 years.

Like i said the dispute is not just over the rate of pay, it involves other issues but it seems pointless to try and discuss them when most have already made up their minds as to who is to blame for royal mails problems.

bororeddaz Posted on 3/8 13:41
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I don't want to study the facts of people who are paid to push paper through letterboxes. I pay for a service. Like I said sack them and get the Poles in.

SplendidStuff Posted on 3/8 13:44
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So the solution is to sack everyone and pay the lowest wage you can to a foreign workforce. Why hasn't anyone come up with that one, its seems like a genius plan.

And posties don't just push paper through letterboxes, bag weights are increasing, and most postmen can deliver 10 bags a day each weighing 16kg. It is hard graft, and new constraints on delivery times etc make the job more difficult.

bororeddaz Posted on 3/8 13:47
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Splendid have you seen how strong some of them Polish women are?

trodbitch Posted on 3/8 13:48
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"If you have work related problems knock the job on the head and become a DOCTOR !!!!!!!!!!!!!! FFS YEAH ITS THAT EASY."

Wind your neck in and get a grip. I was pointing our that 7 years to not find one single alternative was a very long time - long enough to train as a doctor.

"In the meantime you have bills, kids to feed and cloth, and you just supposed to walk out on a job you could have been doing for the last 20 years."

No, you just apply for other jobs. Or train for a new skill. I've done it, why should I sympathise with someone else who can't be bothered?

"Like i said the dispute is not just over the rate of pay, it involves other issues but it seems pointless to try and discuss them when most have already made up their minds as to who is to blame for royal mails problems."

A few years back, a postie mate of mine used to brag about how easy his job was, how he just had to get up early and yet he was finished by about 12. Welcome to the real world, I say.

Maddren_Madman Posted on 3/8 13:48
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It's hard to have sympathy when around 3% of everything mail order companies send out is disappeared by Royal Mail.

Go to any sorting major sorting office and you'll find loads of Nigerians - Leeds is good for this - many of whom can't speak or read much English - all of whom are on short term contracts and many of whom supplement their meagre wages with credit cards, cheque books and anything that looks like you could flog it for £5 down the pub.

I know RM's internal police - theft is rife. no mail order company sending anything of any value uses RM 'cos it gets robbed.
Got a mate who does clothes mail order and used to send £50+ trainers out by RM and almost non ever arrived. All nicked. They said he was stupid for not sending it Special D! So he said to them "so you're saying that unless I pay another £5 you'll probably steal it" They said, in effect, yes.
It's not all posties like but nonetheless....if your stuff gets nicked you don't feel like supporting them.

MarlonD Posted on 3/8 13:48
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So basically because their has been competition introduced and ther are now having to graft for a living they go on strike.

SplendidStuff Posted on 3/8 13:49
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"I don't want to study the facts of people who are paid to push paper through letterboxes"

The fact that you want to make presumptions about something when you are not prepared to look into the relevant issues says an awful lot about you.

Archie_Stanton1 Posted on 3/8 13:54
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"if decent jobs are to be found down here the pay is lower than the national average. In the IT sector to name just one, an IT support worker can get upwards of £20k in other reagions, in Devon and Cornwall your lucky to get £17k"

Take Norman Tebbit`s advice then, and get on your bike and look for something better, like thousands of Teessiders (me included) have done over the years and continue to do so. The money won`t find you, you need to go and look for it.

Incidentally, i think striking should be banned. Anyone who accepts a job and then refuses to do it should be booted out on their ass.

Archie_Stanton1 Posted on 3/8 13:55
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cuteborochick Posted on 3/8 13:56
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cant i just point out that they get more than me and i'm not complaining about how much i get. I work in the IT sector and it seems by BoroGrecian's post i still get paid less than they do down there.

SplendidStuff Posted on 3/8 13:58
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I cannot understand why people are saying you should not be able to challenge working conditions and rate of pay!!

Suggestions of paying foreign workforces the lowest wage you can!!

Maddren_Madman Posted on 3/8 13:58
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and you don't even have any opportunity to nick expensive trainers either.....

burydweller Posted on 3/8 13:59
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I was a postie, and my brother is a postie, we are not twatts or vvankers, I would love someone to call it to a posties face, they would be swollowing teeth, most are fit as fcuk, I was, I walked 8 miles a day carrying 20 kilo bags. The internet is full of cyber hardmen isn't it?

Until the kunnts on here slagging of posties, actually read the debate and understand the governments plans to destroy a proud organisation, with underhand filthy politics, then shut the fcuk up with throw away inane comments.

SplendidStuff Posted on 3/8 14:00
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"and you don't even have any opportunity to nick expensive trainers either....."

haha yeah just throw in some unfounded claims to back your argument.

bororeddaz Posted on 3/8 14:00
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Its an unskilled job FFS. My (Thai)cleaner has to clean my skidmarks off the toilet pan she doesn't complain and ask for more money. Why? Because I'd sack her and get someone else in.

burydweller Posted on 3/8 14:02
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SplendidStuff is the voice of reason, I salute you sir

Maddren_Madman Posted on 3/8 14:02
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in fairness, the lads that deliver our post are great - mine is big fat sweaty munter like, but in a nice way - but you know there's a massive problem at the sorting offices....management don't want to discuss it openly because they like the cheap casual, un-unionized labour and the staff don't want to talk about it because they're either on the rob or fear that everyone will think they are.

SplendidStuff Posted on 3/8 14:03
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bororeddaz you really are unpleasant.

trodbitch Posted on 3/8 14:04
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Great, now burydweller is going to knock the teeth out of anyone who dares to criticise their strike action.

Sorry but you are well paid for the mindless job you do, get used to it or change it.

SplendidStuff Posted on 3/8 14:04
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madman, to claim 3% gets stolen is a bit silly.

Think about what you are saying.

TEEBAG Posted on 3/8 14:05
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whats wrong with wanting more cash,you increase footballers salary every year when gibbo tells you to pay more for a season ticket

FrenchFranck Posted on 3/8 14:05
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burydweler your the one actin like a hardman bet you coudnt nock a vvank out

SplendidStuff Posted on 3/8 14:05
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trod, who are you to say its a mindless job?

Snoop_Smog Posted on 3/8 14:05
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"an IT support worker can get upwards of £20k in other reagions, in Devon and Cornwall your lucky to get £17k"

I would say 20k is the top bracket of 1st line support, I've seen some in Newcastle offer less than 12k

Royal mail aren't imposing these wage freezes to increase profits, the fact is they are pissing out money because the private sector are more competitive. If they increased wages they would be less competitive, leading to more job cuts, leading to more strikes etc.....you can't fight basic economics by striking.

Maddren_Madman Posted on 3/8 14:05
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and you don't even have any opportunity to nick expensive trainers either....."

haha yeah just throw in some unfounded claims to back your argument.


Not unfounded sadly it actually happened. And claiming money back from RM for undelivered mail is a nightmare. All these reasons are why they lost the amazon account and countless other mail order companies work. its not 'cos everyone is lying or has it in for them. It's just not good - poor management as well. They operate unaccountably.

Chutney Posted on 3/8 14:06
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All very interesting and enlightening, but I've still to see a decent explanation for why the slovenly gets feel it acceptable to litter my drive with red rubber bands.

Turner_86 Posted on 3/8 14:07
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:o)

Link: _____

SplendidStuff Posted on 3/8 14:07
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"All these reasons are why they lost the amazon account and countless other mail order companies work"

Not true again.

You will find that the contracts were lost due to them getting a better quote on the job.

Maddren_Madman Posted on 3/8 14:07
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Father!

trodbitch Posted on 3/8 14:08
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"trod, who are you to say its a mindless job?"

How many months did you have to train to learn how to walk and shove junkmail through a letterbox?

Maddren_Madman Posted on 3/8 14:09
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yup cheaper deals and more accountable service. RM loses on both those. If it wasn't for delivering junk mail they'd be laying off thousands. Which is plain madness - relying on junk mail for a job.

SplendidStuff Posted on 3/8 14:09
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"If they increased wages they would be less competitive, leading to more job cuts, leading to more strikes etc.....you can't fight basic economics by striking."

Snoop, if royal mail invested money it has recieved from the government into modernizing equipment and bringing the service upto date then you could fight economics.

burydweller Posted on 3/8 14:11
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bororeddaz, an unskilled job? what a tossser you are son, I have had many jobs, and this was demanding, tough and skilled, try getting up at 3:45 every morning, being responsible for a sorting frame, throwing in 2000 letters, mailsorts, flats, organising, recorded deliveries, special deliveries, packets. Organizing the lift out, organizing 6 heavy bag drops, organizing 2000 door2door items, to be delivered on top of the mail. Be responsible for IPS sorting on top of the walk, have a sorting test. Then there is a fcuking 4 hour walk, take stick everyday from chavs, get dog bites, be pisssed on with rain, snow sleet. Then go home and feed the kids. Unskilled? what a fcuking gobshiite you are

SplendidStuff Posted on 3/8 14:12
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"How many months did you have to train to learn how to walk and shove junkmail through a letterbox?"

again you show ignorance.

To learn multiple delivery routes and how to walk sort many different walks can take months to master.

Yes posting letters through letterboxes is the end product but have you ever stepped foot inside a sorting office?

Maddren_Madman Posted on 3/8 14:13
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nationalized industries get so wasteful and too big to be run efificently though don't they. andwhy are all the unions leaders scousers? Doesn't matter which union, there's always a scouser in charge.

SplendidStuff Posted on 3/8 14:13
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madman try and add some sensible and truthfull comments please!

Maddren_Madman Posted on 3/8 14:14
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yeah ive been in loads of sorting offices - its amazing anything gets to the right address at all. its organized chaos. Which is how so much is stolen without anyone spotting it.

bororeddaz Posted on 3/8 14:15
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Shame your 'don't take messageboards serious FFS' attitude from the wifebeating thread has gone burydweller.

Maddren_Madman Posted on 3/8 14:16
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sensible and truthful eh?

just saying what I've seen with my own eyes. Maybe I was hallucinating the nigerian lad pocketing letters with credit cards in Leeds main sorting office.

Archie_Stanton1 Posted on 3/8 14:16
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Borodaz "My (Thai)cleaner has to clean my skidmarks off the toilet pan she doesn't complain and ask for more money. Why? Because I'd sack her and get someone else in".

Possibly the most outrageous quote since The New Statesman when Alan B`stad listed his hobbies as including "grinding the faces of the poor" in his who`s who entry.

SplendidStuff Posted on 3/8 14:16
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The thing that sticks in my throat is how people 'customers' do not care about anything as long as they get what they want when they want it.

To dismiss the concerns of a whole work force, people with families to support and lives to live is disgusting in my book. Yes we can just pay someone less, someone who won't complain when they are being taken for granted, but as long as we get a cheap service we don't care.!!

Snoop_Smog Posted on 3/8 14:18
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"if royal mail invested money it has recieved from the government into modernizing equipment and bringing the service upto date then you could fight economics"

SplendidStuff Fair enough the post office could have been managed better, but that is a complaint you will find throughout the public sector.

My point is that striking will not improve the situation, only make it worse for everyone involved.

SplendidStuff Posted on 3/8 14:19
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yeah but snoop, nothing can be sorted if management refuse to sit down and discuss the issues at hand.

They refuse to debate anything.

trodbitch Posted on 3/8 14:19
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burydweller, it just sounds like a sht job, that's not the same as a skilled job.

splendid, having been continually educating myself in my professional field for over 20 years, forgive me if I don't class sorting piles of envelopes, following a map and posting things as skilled.

Anyway, it's been really insightful hearing your reasons for avoiding work. Perhaps when I work for a company who have a monopoly I'll understand better.

MarlonD Posted on 3/8 14:19
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burydweller - any chance of knocking my teeth out first. It will be saving me a fortune as I have teeth like a witch doctor's necklace and i was thinking of getting them done.

Then I'll knock you out.

glippy Posted on 3/8 14:20
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Has Margaret Thatcher come back disguised as bororeddaz. What a bleak world it would be inhabited by lots of bororeddazs'.

Maddren_Madman Posted on 3/8 14:22
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agree with you on pricing. its mad that it costs the same to send a letter from Stockton to Boro as it does to the Isle of Jura. I've long said 1st class mail should go up to £1 a letter its way too cheap. Maybe that would pay for modernisation but management is scared to raise it more than a few pennies. makes no sense.

SplendidStuff Posted on 3/8 14:24
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"splendid, having been continually educating myself in my professional field for over 20 years, forgive me if I don't class sorting piles of envelopes, following a map and posting things as skilled.
"

I never once claimed it was a skilled job trod, so try and keep to the facts yeah?

I disputed your claim it was 'mindless'.

SplendidStuff Posted on 3/8 14:26
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"management is scared to raise it more than a few pennies. makes no sense."

management don't decide because the rates are fixed for a period of time and have been for a while now.

I don't know when the agreements started or end, but it means management are powerless to raise the price of deliveries.

HolgateWall Posted on 3/8 14:28
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I worked for Royal Mail for many years and while it is right what some people are saying that it is an unskilled job it does require some degree of intelligence to carry out the tasks required from the postperson.

Also a lot of people only see the delivery side of the job; the must think that the mail sorts itelf and all the posties has to do is push it through the letter box. Not so, it takes a long time to learn the sorting and memorise the streets of a town and which delivery thay are on. This I would suggest turns an unskilled job into a skilled job ( the difference being that the posties do not get a formal qualification, and if they did where cpuld they use it but in a sorting office).

They are hard working people with families to feed just like everyone else. Don't knock them and call them names just because they are not on 40k a year. It would be nice if we were all self employed or on 40k a year unfortunately we are not all as clever as this and need to take lower paid jobs.

Ch4rlieB Posted on 3/8 14:28
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"burydweller Posted on 3/8 14:11
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bororeddaz, an unskilled job? what a tossser you are son, I have had many jobs, and this was demanding, tough and skilled, try getting up at 3:45 every morning, being responsible for a sorting frame, throwing in 2000 letters, mailsorts, flats, organising, recorded deliveries, special deliveries, packets. Organizing the lift out, organizing 6 heavy bag drops, organizing 2000 door2door items, to be delivered on top of the mail. Be responsible for IPS sorting on top of the walk, have a sorting test. Then there is a fcuking 4 hour walk, take stick everyday from chavs, get dog bites, be pisssed on with rain, snow sleet. Then go home and feed the kids. Unskilled? what a fcuking gobshiite you are "


How is walking a skill? and sorting mail. Oh look this letter says 5 Red Road, this must go in the Red Road slot. Ohhhh Highly skilled

Maddren_Madman Posted on 3/8 14:28
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ah right. well that's daft as well isnt it. seems like it needs over hauling from top to bottom. if the managers can't even be allowed to manage it properly. everyone seems to have their hands tied.

Cheeses_Christ Posted on 3/8 14:29
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"most are fit as fcuk, I was, I walked 8 miles a day carrying 20 kilo bags"



This is true. I hear Ricky Hatton has taken a job as a postie in preparation for his next fight.

burydweller, you sound like an absolute doris. Cyber hardmen indeed....

trodbitch Posted on 3/8 14:30
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It is a FACT that it is an unskilled job, so I'm certainly not deviating from them. As for it being mindless, I don't see how it is mentally challenging at all.

Snoop_Smog Posted on 3/8 14:32
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SplendidStuff, My impression was that the gripe was with pay and redundancies, surely the modernising you talk about would involve much of the same job-cuts that you are protesting about now?

Maddren_Madman Posted on 3/8 14:32
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doing the sorting is really hard work man honest. its so complicated you can't believe it. you'd think it would all be electronic but its just someone standing front of a giant set of pidgeon holes. and loads of stuff is wrongly or badly addressed. I'd rather knaw off me own nads than do that all day. glad someone else does it though. still think there's too many robbers on board mind.

SplendidStuff Posted on 3/8 14:36
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"It is a FACT that it is an unskilled job, "

like i said i didn't claim it was a skilled job.

"As for it being mindless, I don't see how it is mentally challenging at all."

Funny that, how people who have never done the job make so many presumtions.

trodbitch Posted on 3/8 14:39
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So everyone needs to get a job as a postman to understand how hard sorting mail, walking and posting it is? Well maybe we'll all have the chance because keep going the way you are, and I'm sure there'll be a lot of vacancies.

SplendidStuff Posted on 3/8 14:43
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"So everyone needs to get a job as a postman to understand how hard sorting mail, walking and posting it is?"

Again i did not say that.

My point is not that you personally would find it mentally challenging or not, it is that you have the arrogance to debate like many others on here, the validity of what the postal workers are doing at the moment when you don't know all the facts and presume to know an awful lot.

Like i say, you and many others might not find it challenging mentally, but i can say when i worked for them i had hard days and was physically and mentally tired.

MarlonD Posted on 3/8 14:45
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I'm qualified to be a postman.

I used to deliver the Teesside Times for a penny a paper but chuck them in the beck at Hemlington.

Jan_Aage_Fjortoft Posted on 3/8 14:47
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Sorting the mail is easy. Bit boring mind, but it cannot be classed as hard. I did it over the christmas holidays a few years back while at uni and there was nothing hard about it. You have a book of postcodes if it is missing and if it is still too confusing you just bung it into the most likely area and hope that it can find its way.

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SplendidStuff Posted on 3/8 14:49
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"Sorting the mail is easy"

Really?

"if it is missing and if it is still too confusing you just bung it into the most likely area and hope that it can find its way."

Ahh right so you couldn't actually do the job properly then.

bororeddaz Posted on 3/8 14:51
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Thanks for the craic lads. I was starting to think this board was becoming stale.

Stepper_T Posted on 3/8 14:51
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The pay is good for the skills needed. It takes a few days to master the sorting but it's not difficult at all.

HolgateWall Posted on 3/8 14:52
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Jan- You have a book of postcodes if it is missing and if it is still too confusing you just bung it into the most likely area and hope that it can find its way.

I think in someways this goes to prove a point. It is not going to find its way on its own somebody who acctualy knows where it should go will deal with it for you. a case of a little knowledge being a bad thing perhaps.

SplendidStuff Posted on 3/8 14:54
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"It takes a few days to master the sorting but it's not difficult at all."

I disagree.

It may take a few days to become used to sorting but to get to a speed required by royal mail you need to be sorting a letter every 2 seconds i think.

So when you sort a different route it takes another few days to get used to that one, and the next and the next etc etc.

When you go back to sorting a route you had done a month or so ago, then again you adjust to where things go and get a good speed going.

bororeddaz Posted on 3/8 14:58
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Lets face it. Tesco will be the biggest mail service provider in a couple of years.

Jan_Aage_Fjortoft Posted on 3/8 14:59
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It's not a case of whether it has been done properly. If someone can't even manage to get the town or postcode right, I can't really see how they can expect it to be delivered.

All your doing is putting it in either TS whatever or Manchester etc. Even if you go that extra mile and start looking it up, it's not as though it is tiring phsyically or mentally challenging. It is just time consuming and boring, to me that is not hard work.



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SplendidStuff Posted on 3/8 15:00
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exactly bororeddaz.

Considering that Tesco is basically the equivelant to Wallmart its probably a bad thing

Link: wallmart

SplendidStuff Posted on 3/8 15:02
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jan you could not do the job properly and considering speed and accuracy are key, you must have been terrible.

Another reason RM has bad press, part time temporary staff who hired by incompetent managers make a balls up of the job and thats why you don't get stuff on time.

Maddren_Madman Posted on 3/8 15:04
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i dont know what sort of scale you apply to work to decide if its hard work or not. My grandad hacked coal out of the west yorkshire coalfields with a big pick axe, stripped to the waist, 5 and half days a week standing in water, 3 miles under ground. now that was hard work. none of us work that hard anymore.

Simon1 Posted on 3/8 15:04
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MarlonD. No idea have you?. I'll ask again, when have nurses been whining?. You will find that the majority of nurses are ok with the wages they get (although like everyone, you always could do with more). Final question MarlonD, why get personal and call someone a nobber for asking a perfectly simple question?

MarlonD Posted on 3/8 15:04
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It's always the manager's fault FFS.

Try being a manager of a lazy arsed workforce. I have and that is a skilled job.

Simon1 - too late I've moved back onto the posties now.

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siddaway2 Posted on 3/8 15:07
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bororeddaz if in your 40k job they asked to pay you less or work you more i believe you would not be happy. these workers were ok not so long back and now aren't wich indicates to me something bad is happening. People may say the work is unskilled but to do some of the rounds posties do u have to be strong and fit. It's not just pushing papers its miles walked business blocks flat blocks etc. But the FACTS are they want to pay them less or work them a lot more and no one would be happy with that.

Jan_Aage_Fjortoft Posted on 3/8 15:07
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I did the job for 2 weeks. Do you expect me to become an expert in that time? If I couldn't work out the address all that was expected of me was to put it in a pile for a senior worked to look at. The point I'm making yet you seem to ignore and have not backed up is that sorting is not hard at all.

The biggest problem I found at RM was how they handle packages. We were encouraged to throw items into the different trolleys instead of taking the time the time to put them in gently as it was too time consuming for them to do it that way. I'd hate to think how many people's chirstmas presents were ruined that way.

SplendidStuff Posted on 3/8 15:08
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Marlon, more fool you if you hired said lazy arsed workforce.

Simon1 Posted on 3/8 15:10
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MarlonD, is it to late because you didn't have a clue in the first place with your sweeping statement??

MarlonD Posted on 3/8 15:11
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I inherited them when I took the position on. When I left they were the exact opposite but it was fuqing hard graft.

SplendidStuff Posted on 3/8 15:11
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Jan_Aage_Fjortoft "The point I'm making yet you seem to ignore and have not backed up is that sorting is not hard at all."

My point is that sorting takes longer than a few weeks and as stepper stated it takes a few days.

You state it is not hard, but you could not get it right after a few weeks, so it must be harder than most are making out (if you want a proper job doing).

siddaway2 Posted on 3/8 15:13
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ok jan u lasted 2 weeks says something

MarlonD Posted on 3/8 15:14
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ok Simon1 lets mention the pay for a day thing with the nurses.

Can you give me one valid reason why a footballer should give up a days wages for someone who isn't in a famine, homeless or living in poverty but in fact the majority are in a job that pays above the national average wage ?

Jan_Aage_Fjortoft Posted on 3/8 15:16
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I didn't get a chance to get it right in two weeks because I wasn't expected to do that job. Yes it is time consuming and boring but at what point does looking in a book or a computer become hard?

Jan_Aage_Fjortoft Posted on 3/8 15:18
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I lasted the full term of my temporary contract. It was only to help out over christmas during my holidays at uni.

SplendidStuff Posted on 3/8 15:19
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Jan are you receiving me loud and clear.

You say the job is not hard and what is hard about looking in a book.

The fact is you had to look in a book to do a job when speed and accuracy are key. You were slow and inaccurate as you stated earlier.

The job was hard for you because you would fail to obtain a contract for permanent ( u might not have wanted to) because you were slow and leaving work for others to complete.


The job was not to look in a book, it was to sort the mail. WHile i appreciate you were temporary staff you should understand that to do the job properly takes time to aquire the knowledge and is not as easy as people think. Yes it is boring and dull, but it is not as simple as people like to make it sound.



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Simon1 Posted on 3/8 15:26
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MarlonD, I was really hoping what was your argument. Please get your facts right before you are going to argue your point. I don't know if you read my replies to the threads regarding trying to get footballers to donate a days pay (there were numerous when the tv program was on). Nurses were never involved in that. Like me, every nurse I spoke to was embarrised about the whole publicity stunt which was pulled by someone who wasn't even a nurse.
Although like I have already said, I think I get a decent pay for a job I really enjoy doing. The only other thing at the minute regarding nurses pay is that the govenment awarded us 1.9% wage rise this year but wanted to give us 1.5% between april-october and 2.5% from october-april. The problem wasn't the increase, it was that scotland and wales were giving nurses the whole of the increase where as this govenment were not prepared to do that.

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HolgateWall Posted on 3/8 15:26
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Sorting is not hard work if you put all the letters in a pile and let someone else sort them for you. Yes i understand that you were only there for two weeks and could not be expected to know everything, but somebody needed the knowledge to sort those letters. I dare say in the position you are working in now somebody couldn't pick that up in two weeks. Horses for courses.

MarlonD Posted on 3/8 15:28
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Aside from your invalid argument, does your surname begin with M ?

Ch4rlieB Posted on 3/8 15:28
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Just because something is time consuming and needs doing quickly doesnt make it a skilled job.

If thats the case every bloody job is skilled. Sorting mail, etc is an un-skilled job.

I'm not saying it isnt important, and they dont work hard. I'm sure they do. But I bet they get paid a damn sight more than a lot of people do. Yes they may go to work early, but then they finish early as well. Its there choice, they could get another job doing something different, maybe it will have less pay, but then it wont be as time consuming.

You get paid for the work you do.

Jan_Aage_Fjortoft Posted on 3/8 15:30
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My speed was fine for all the letters that had the correct postcode on. If I had worked for a longer period of time, I would have learnt what each post code was for.

You make it sound as though I was looking up in a book for each letter, which was not the case.

I did not put my name down for a permanent contract because a) I did not live in Middlesbrough during term-time and b) it would not have been convient working hours as my lessons were all over the place.

Look, I'm not even complaining about the fact RM workers are striking. I just took exception to the point that sorting is hard, when it is clearly not.

BoroGrecian Posted on 3/8 15:31
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technically however every job is skilled because you have to have or develop a skill in order to do it wether it be sorting mail (the skill of handling and literacy) or that of a civil engineer for example.

Some jobs are just more highly skilled than others.

Forget refering to jobs as skilled and unskilled, they should be refered to as being 'basic skills' or 'advanced skills'

Simon1 Posted on 3/8 15:33
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Why is it an invalid argument??? No, my surname doesn't begin with M

bororeddaz Posted on 3/8 15:35
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Marlon, not all Simons are Mincers.

MarlonD Posted on 3/8 15:38
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Phew, that's good because the one I know is a good lad and would have hated to know he'd turned into you on here.

Ok then if the Nurses wanted no part of it I can't remember their being a statement of some kind distancing themselves from this publicity stunt.

Juventus3 Posted on 3/8 15:40
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"sorting mail (the skill of handling and literacy)"

You mean the skill of reading? I have n 18 month old niece who can put square blocks into square holes, does she have the skill of handling and sorting? Still can't be a postgirl yet of course - it'll take her a year or two to develop the skill of literacy to go with it.

SplendidStuff Posted on 3/8 15:53
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This is ridiculous.

I debated that the job was not mindless.

Now we have a debate over skilled and unskilled.

The job is clearly classed as unskilled, although experience of the work like any ohter job makes you more skilled. Anyway the debate was not about skilled or unskilled, just a debate about it being mindless.

jan stated that is was not hard, and no it is not hard in the sense of being physically difficult or skilled, but it is tedious and full time staff have to work hard or should i say 'quickly' to do a proper job.

maybe i should of said you have to work 'quickly' and not hard because the whole issue is going off on a tangent.

BoroGrecian Posted on 3/8 15:54
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It is still a skill you have to develop however, you arn't born with the skill of being able to handle, it is something learned regardless of age at which it is learned, therefore it is a skill.

Literacy in itself is a challenge in this country with thousands leaving school every year with below standard literacy levels and it is very much a skill learned over years rather than weeks or months.

Anything that has to be learned over a period of time is a skill of one discription or another.

Juventus3 Posted on 3/8 15:57
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That's a ridiculous argument, and nothing like what anyone ever means whenever they use the terms skilled and unskilled. Is walking a skill as well? That has to be mastered over time.

And I doubt you need to have an A Level in English to be at the required level of literacy required to read addresses.

HolgateWall Posted on 3/8 15:58
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It's an unskilled manual job that requires training. The training allows the postperson to fulfill their duties to a higher standard.

SplendidStuff Posted on 3/8 16:02
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"and no it is not hard in the sense of being physically difficult"

I was refering to the sorting in that statement, the job of delivering is a bloody knightmare especially where you have towns built on hills!!!

HolgateWall Posted on 3/8 16:08
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From a Royal Mail Jobs Advert-
You will start by sorting the mail in a loud, busy environment, arranging the mail so you can deliver it accurately later on. You will work in all weathers delivering mail on foot or by bike. You will travel 6 to 8 miles each day carrying around 8 heavy mailbags a day (weighing up to 16kg).

As part of your duty you may be expected to ride a bicycle confidently in all weathers and in heavy traffic

Anyone interested?

Link: Royal Mail

SplendidStuff Posted on 3/8 16:14
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The jist of this whole thread seems to be that disgruntled workers should either quit or shut up.

In a society where jobs can be harder for some to obtain than others this is not an answer.

If we all just accepted what we were told to accept we would have a terrible working life, and we hear stories of sweat shops producing high cost items for the lowest wage. I am not comparing rm workers to sweat shop workers ( for the pedants).

It seems the opinion is that royal mail workers should not strike because they are unskilled and get paid enough anyway because its not a hard job even though they are due a pay rise in accordance wth inflation and agreements put in place a while back.

Its easy to tell someone to shutup and get on with it when they are unqualified, but try telling nurses or firemen to do that and it would be outrage.

Its always easy to take advantage of the unskilled worker, but i guess thats how capitalism works.

SplendidStuff Posted on 3/8 16:21
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Good point holgate because thats something that most won't realise. If you get put on a duty that requires use of a bike etc you cannot debate it you have to do it.

People think its just leisurely walking around with a few letters.

Also you usually get info on the duty you will be delivering, things like dogs, difficult access areas like flats etc. One i had was when delivering 9 tower blocks as part of my delivery. I had to get the lift to the top floor then descend using the stairwells, and the info sheet said not to use the handrails because needles were getting stuck to the underneath of the rails!!

swordtrombonefish Posted on 3/8 16:43
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bororeddaz, just walk down to the newsagents for your copy of "Anal Top Banana Weekly" - it might be an embarrassment for you, but not half as bad as you have made yourself look on here.

TMG501 Posted on 3/8 16:49
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FAO bororeddaz and all others of the same mindset. You make my fooking blood boil.
This will be my only post on this thread. I have replied to other threads on the strike action and burydweller etc will know my feelings on this subject. The following statements I make are all true, I have no need to fabricate, or sensationalise anything.Being a Postie does not just consist of delivering mail.
There is many different aspects. To say it is not a skilled job is utter nonsense.
I personally have had to take 5 driving tests to enable me to do my job,(thats 5 different grades of vehicles).Thats a skill I think.
I also had to get a forklift license, another skill if i'm not mistaken. Now to the tough part.
Royal Mail managers are breaking the strike by doing the jobs of skilled personnel like my self and have been found wanting again and again. One manager drove an articulated lorry from Leeds to Coventry. This was a new unit with manual and automatic gearbox.
He drove it to Coventry, but was in 2nd gear for most of the journey. Answer? £50.000 gearbox wrote off.
In the link below you'll see another instance of an unskilled manager doing a SKILLED posties job.
And finally, a motorist in Exeter, tragically killed by a manager doing exactly what he should not have been doing. Driving a vehicle that he did not have the skills to do. My sympathys go out to the mans wife and 5 children. The response by one "manager" was,
"if they had'nt gone on strike this would'nt have happened".
This is what we're dealing with my friends.
English Dictionary - Bororeddaz - english meaning "FUCKINGIDIOT"
Rant over. Good-bye

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Link: Unskilled?????

trodbitch Posted on 3/8 16:57
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The manager shouldn't have done that job, but I suppose someone has to save the company while you all have a day off. Maybe next time they should just stand by and do nothing so that when you come back and say "we're back!!!" they say "thanks a bunch, no company left mate!"

If I decide not to go into work and a less experienced colleague who can be bothered gets stuck with my work, I think I'd have to take some responsibility for his mistakes.

TMG501 Posted on 3/8 17:02
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the operative word is SKILLED.
That was my point

sponski2000 Posted on 3/8 17:11
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I didn't read any of this post until it had reached about 100 replies and to my surprise this has been one of the most entertaining debates i've read on here in a while. Its kept me amused for most of the afternoon. Thanks.

BoroGrecian Posted on 3/8 17:29
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TMG: here, here!

I actually knew the son of the driver who was killed in that crash, he was in the car at the time. He alleges the lorry driver was on a mobile phone at the time as well!

trodbitch Posted on 3/8 17:35
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TMG501, it's pretty clear I have been on about posties, ie the people who hand deliver the mail. Unless the people on here going on about how hard their job is were HGV drivers? No, I DIDN'T think so.

boroproud Posted on 3/8 17:38
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On a lighter note about managers fooking things up.

When we were out last time about 11 years ago,Cashco(theones who deliver the money to post offices for the uneducated) were out with us.
Management decided in their wisdom to deliver the money themselves,
While learning how to open the security boxes one of the planks managed to set off the purple dye inside.The fire alarms went off and the manager came downstairs purple from head to foot.

boroproud Posted on 3/8 17:40
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Trodders,deliveries are not the only part of their job.

zappa909 Posted on 3/8 17:46
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Burydweller, was a postie, and my brother is a postie, we are not twatts or vvankers, I would love someone to call it to a posties face, they would be swollowing teeth, most are fit as fcuk, I was, I walked 8 miles a day carrying 20 kilo bags. The internet is full of cyber hardmen isn't it?



Well said fella, these coonts sit tapping away on on keyboards all day long and actually think that is work, the majority of these gobshytes are posting on here all day long probably in work hours, you know who you are, Yes sometimes we finish work at 12 but we start work at 5 and dont take any breaks what the fook do you want blood!

chboro Posted on 3/8 17:53
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Zappa, You're a tw­­at AND a wan­­ker, but it aint cos you are a postman so your point is valid


I'll be sneaking in on Monday now.

ps: you are fit like

trodbitch Posted on 3/8 18:06
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"Well said fella, these coonts sit tapping away on on keyboards all day long and actually think that is work, the majority of these gobshytes are posting on here all day long probably in work hours, you know who you are, Yes sometimes we finish work at 12 but we start work at 5 and dont take any breaks what the fook do you want blood!"

Yeah, god damn those people tapping on keyboards, that ain't real work. Nah, real work is being paid to walk the streets. Your whole job is a 'break' FFS.

bororeddaz Posted on 3/8 18:07
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Trod, I think the root of the problem is the poor summer. The guys have been unable to put on their shorts and shades and catch some rays.

zappa909 Posted on 3/8 18:09
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Chboro, I saw you looking at my hairy legs you cheeky thing, however unlike you I have a very low pain threshold and I have been running scared all day

Ch4rlieB Posted on 3/8 18:16
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Sod the postman

What about the lowly paper Boy. Getting below minimum wage, sorting all his papers out, walking and deliverying them on his round for a pittance.

Damn it I'd strike if I was a paper boy.

They dont get no 2.5% pay rise - Which really isnt that far off inflation at the minute.

I'm thinking about striking in sympathy of the Paper boy. But then If I striked they'd jsut replace me.

chboro Posted on 3/8 18:16
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It's not til Sept. October time anyway so we'll thrash your legs every day with a belt to prepare you

zappa909 Posted on 3/8 18:17
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Bororeddaz I'm guessing your a key tapper as well, probably with a big square dimply arse like the rest of your key tapper cronies, we deliver shiteloads whatever the weather some of you sad tvvats wouldnt leave the house if it was spitting.

I am a grafter and always will be I prefer physical work as opposed to easy brain work unlike some of you numptys.

chboro Posted on 3/8 18:17
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There is no minimum wage for people below 16 yrs of age is there?

Gooks_Dong Posted on 3/8 18:18
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Pigeons can deliver mail FFS, and monkeys could sort it FACT

Ch4rlieB Posted on 3/8 18:18
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Exactly, they get below minimum, makes it even worse.

Long Live the PAPER BOY.

WHAT DO WE WANT???

FAIR PAY FOR THE PAPER BOY!!

WHEN DO WE WANT IT???

NOW!!!!

trodbitch Posted on 3/8 18:19
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If you had an infinite number of monkeys in a sorting room for an infinite period of time, one of the buggers would nick the £20 out of your birthday card.

zappa909 Posted on 3/8 18:23
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Ch4rlieB, I blame senior management, mind you it is unskilled though is'nt it, so fook em they should get an education!

who agrees?


Dont bother we know who you are.

Ch4rlieB Posted on 3/8 18:26
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Unskilled?!?!?!

Bah. There is no higher skill than delivering a paper. Have you seen the size of a Sunday Telegraph and the size of a letter box!!!

Do the MATH SON!

Paper Boys demands fair pay and benefits!!!

zappa909 Posted on 3/8 18:32
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I was actually a paper boy in the 80's when they started the supplements in sunday papers, I protested as hard as I could and formed a one boy picket line but the scabs wouldnt support me so I left to do something totally different, now i'm a postie hurraaah!

Ch4rlieB Posted on 3/8 18:34
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I'd like to thank our work postie. Without him we wouldnt have had our best sales month ever.

And I wouldnt have got my free bacon sarnie on thursday.

Hurrah