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Patrick_Batemen Posted on 27/8 11:03
Boro fans Mido Hypocrisy

I will no doubt be shot down in flames here, by those too subjective to remember the truth, but I clearly remember when Mido played for spurs chants of shoe shoe, shoe bomber from a section of the boro faithful, if we can give it we have to take it.

In no way am I excusing the chants from either set of fans, but lets not pretend were Mother Teresa's harem/

lisboalegend Posted on 27/8 11:04
re: Boro fans Mido Hypocrisy

I've not heard that one, did you start it?

simon1586 Posted on 27/8 11:04
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Fair comment.

dcarno79 Posted on 27/8 11:05
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Spot on!!!!!!!!!!!

All supporters make songs up, some in bad taste, but it happens.

Gamblor Posted on 27/8 11:06
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disgraceful from our fans too is that is truly the case.

lisboalegend Posted on 27/8 11:06
re: Boro fans Mido Hypocrisy

Our fans would never sing such a thing!

Towell Posted on 27/8 11:06
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was it sung en masse?

trodbitch Posted on 27/8 11:08
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It was sung, isn't that the point PB is making?

Ste_1986 Posted on 27/8 11:08
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Thats rubbish !!!

are you a geordie trying to put the boot on the other foot ?

PoetLaureate Posted on 27/8 11:09
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I must be honest I have heard Boro sing songs at St James last season with regards peadophile's in Newcastle etc, probably not noticed as the fans are up in the god's. Although the song's were still awful I think we must remember that people often let their emotions take over during a match.

borodavey Posted on 27/8 11:09
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never heard that so it wasnt sung by 3000 then

number_10 Posted on 27/8 11:11
re: Boro fans Mido Hypocrisy

Never, ever heard such a chant from Middlesbrough fans.

The pedo chants I couldn't care less, but stuff like "he's got a bomb" and the like are simply racism, and Newcastle should be punished for it.

mallabar_is_god Posted on 27/8 11:11
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Cesur is back.

Patrick_Batemen Posted on 27/8 11:11
re: Boro fans Mido Hypocrisy

No ste, I had a season ticket from 86 at Ayresome park until a few years ago, now I am a part time supporter. This happened.

Patrick_Batemen Posted on 27/8 11:12
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Mallabar don't be silly, I am capio.

SkunkieBoro Posted on 27/8 11:12
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I remember shouting "I CAN HEAR TICKING" ! when he played for Spurs.

trodbitch Posted on 27/8 11:13
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It makes precisely no difference how many sung it. When we got to SJP later this season, you won't hear it. It's a mob mentality that kicks in with away fans.

Anyway, fook em, he scored. They can shout all they want, if it fires him up.

--- Post edited by trodbitch on 27/8 11:14 ---

kerouac Posted on 27/8 11:16
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I remember the "Town full of rapists" chants aimed at Newcastle fans around the time of the Hotel Room incident at The Riverside. Some may say we deserved it but this shows any set of fans is capable of singing such stuff..

Johnny_Briggs Posted on 27/8 11:22
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I sit in the north stand, where all the singing starts and remember Mido coming on for spurs a couple of years ago. we may have sang songs about his weight, but not about shoe bombing. We may have one or two idiots who come out with racist crap, but in all the games I've been to a the riverside (which is the vast majority of games) I have never heard a racist chant.

Likewise, I've been to the last 2 or 3 games at St James', and have never heard any boro fans singing songs about peado's. Why would they?

Dearg_Ban_jj Posted on 27/8 11:23
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batemans a jawdee

Patrick_Batemen Posted on 27/8 11:27
re: Boro fans Mido Hypocrisy

I have just told you who I am, most people know who I am, so don't be silly.

borofsky Posted on 27/8 11:40
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Doyle.

Patrick_Batemen Posted on 27/8 11:46
re: Boro fans Mido Hypocrisy

You see not only have you no intellectual capacity to argue but you resort to the old childish name calling like some 4 year old with a tantrum.

Pathetic.

n.b this post was taken from czechboro, thanks czech.

borofsky Posted on 27/8 11:48
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There is no argument. It's just you whoring for attention.

Patrick_Batemen Posted on 27/8 12:59
re: Boro fans Mido Hypocrisy

Don't state your ill-informed opinions as facts, if you wish to have a petty name calling conversation, address somebody else, thank you.

I stand by what I said, it happened; if we choose to chastise the Geordies we must accept that our own fans (including myself) are not beyond reproach.

--- Post edited by Patrick_Batemen on 27/8 13:00 ---

sasboro Posted on 27/8 13:03
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I remember boro fans chanting to woodgate he should be in jail. funny old world football!

nasty_pasty Posted on 27/8 13:03
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remember kids, two wrongs make a right or something

Patrick_Batemen Posted on 27/8 13:06
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Exactly sas, we sang to Bowyer...something like "jail with woodgate, you're going to Jail with Woodgate" when I say 'we' I didn't but many did.

HolgateEnd Posted on 27/8 13:59
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Sas, I cant see how us saying woodgate should be in jail compares to them fookers calling mido a terrorist. One is harmless banter (which I believe Woodgate laughed at), the other is racist (which Mido obviously took offence to).


Also, I have not missed a home league match for a good few years now and I have never heard our fans singing anything like 'shoe, shoe, shoe bomber'. You are full of shyte.

BoroMod Posted on 28/8 2:06
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Never heard anything of the sort and i sit in the North Stand, it must've been a very small minority.

Patto Posted on 28/8 7:30
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Anyone who tries to claim the moral high ground for their fans is on a sure-fire loser.Over the years I've been both highly amused and seriously annoyed /embarassed by chants from my own fans, as on Sunday, but writing letters and litigation only provides these people with the sort of credibility that they crave. The most effective way of dealing with it is to get creative and give it back with a chant of your own that takes the wind out of their sails immediately.Writing letters etc smacks of telling tales to teacher,and if you claim that your own fans will never let you down...well, think again, we all know the nutters who can't take their ale and use an away game to get away from mams/wives/girlfriends. Anyway, I enjoyed the actual match on Sunday, as did the Boro fnas I spoke to on the walk back to town. Lets not forget that most of us go to the match for sporting reasons, have an enjoyable season, but don't finish above us!

gravy_boat Posted on 28/8 8:20
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'The most effective way of dealing with it is to get creative and give it back with a chant of your own that takes the wind out of their sails immediately.Writing letters etc smacks of telling tales to teacher'.

So, let me get this right. Your suggestion to deal with racist chanting, is to do it back?

Are you completely stupid?

Duncan_Blackheart Posted on 28/8 9:05
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I remember the shoe bomber chants from White Hart Lane a couple of years back, but they were coming from the Spurs fans, who seemed to think it was funny.

Jackal01 Posted on 28/8 9:17
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No he's not gravyboat, but clearly you are, you ingrate.

Why would PB make up his own chant and pretend that his own fans had sang it? So that he could argue with other more credible witnesses on the internet to tell him it never happened.

The bloke is trying to get some PERSPECTIVE on it.

You all know some of the types that go to matches, especially away games. Crying about it and blaming NUFC rivals posters trying to put it terms some of you are finding it hard to understand, with regard to yesterday's events, is pathetic.

Some smog clown even saved a Youtube phone recording to post on TOTT FFS!!


Let the FA deal with it. Instead of (some of you) crying like little bytches on a message board and turning on your own because it doesn't suit.

skiprat Posted on 28/8 9:30
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You are never going to stop one or two idiots singing racist songs at football matches but there's a big difference in a minority of fans singing something and hopefully no-one joining in compared to a large section of almost 2000 fans singing something en masse, not once but continually throughout a game.

Boromart Posted on 28/8 9:33
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"I have just told you who I am, most people know who I am" -- no they don't but they have seen you put some pretty pathetic statements up on here in the last 2 weeks.

"I remember boro fans chanting to woodgate he should be in jail. funny old world football!" -- if there is a n anti-Boro angle to any argument you can expect Sas to come out with it. Even if it is so tenious that it's completely irrelevant. Just once why don't you defend the Boro?

My view is that all fans come out with bad taste chants. Anything against Woody and Bowyer at the time were at least based on some truth about their life. They were involved in an incident. The Jawdee chants were racist pure and simple. The jadees took the view that all arabs are suicide bombers.

I know Boro fans include a number of racists, if you take any cross section of people there will be racists. The issue here is that the majority of Jawdees appeared to be singing it and the last time I remember the majority of Boro fans singing a racist chant is late 80s.

When England or english teams play abroad and the black players are subject to monkey chants the fans and the media are all up in arms about it, and calls are made to punish the clubs. The same should be done here.

The BBC whitewashed over the incident on MOTD which is shocking by the way. I know it isn't a political program, but like I say when England have played abroad and black players have suffered abuse it has been discussed.

--- Post edited by Boromart on 28/8 9:39 ---

bandito Posted on 28/8 10:02
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what a crock of shyte this post is tunring out to be. All the apologists comparing the chants on sunday with irrelevant nonsense. Labelling Mido a "peado" or claiming he has a "bomb" is uneducated drivel and offensive. Call him fat, call him lazy, I doint think he or us would be bothered in the slightest but to bring references to the vilest crime in the world is pretty sickening. I hope some of them geordies dont have to listen to stories of their children being abused.

RAYMOND_HDD Posted on 28/8 10:02
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"The Jawdee chants were racist pure and simple. The jadees took the view that all arabs are suicide bombers."

I disagree, in my view the chants were of poor taste but not racist.
Have you thought of writing to the Private Eye Magazine and complaining of their reference to Mido looking like Richard Reid.
Maybe the blame for all this starts with them.

--- Post edited by RAYMOND_HDD on 28/8 10:07 ---

bandito Posted on 28/8 10:04
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Geordies cant even read Private Eye

toxic_bob Posted on 28/8 10:08
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For once, I agree with P_B. We look like a bunch of namby little girls, bleating because somebody called us a nasty name. Mido responded in the best way possible, shoving a corker of a goal down their scummy throats. Time to move on.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 28/8 10:10
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So some abuse is alright, particularly if it's from Boro fans, yet other abuse is not on? Get real lads.

skiprat Posted on 28/8 10:10
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Private Aye

sasboro Posted on 28/8 10:12
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I dont think it was racist. just in very bad taste.

Reminds me of fans including boro fans chanting stuff at beckham about his wife and so on, or london rent boys, or 10 german bombers, and homophobic chants..

newcastle fans were out of order, all fans need to take a look at themselves too. its not nice being on the receiving end of personal abuse.

Newcastle should be putting something in their next programme. perhaps a few words from big sam or their club captain saying its wrong and the club wont put up with it

--- Post edited by sasboro on 28/8 10:15 ---

skiprat Posted on 28/8 10:14
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It's more the point in trying to justify a few thousand fans singing stuff by saying a few did it in the past Corcaigh.

I couldn't give a toss to be honest about it, Mido shoved it back down their throat and I've been laughing at the further evidence of the Geordie intellect ever since the match, when looking at the various posts.

Saying it's ok for a few thousand fans singing sh 1te like that because a small minority have done similar is ridiculous.

bandito Posted on 28/8 10:15
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so it's ok to be labelled a "paedo"?

Lets brush it under the carpet and not make a fuss

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 28/8 10:16
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I seem to remember a fair proportion of the North Stand barracking Viduka during the same game. Didn't you hear that?

Turner_86 Posted on 28/8 10:17
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I tried to say this yesterday aswell. No one is claiming that Middlesbrough fans are innocent, every club has daft fans. If the vast majority of our away support song those songs, then I'll hold my hands up, but I doubt very much that any abuse from Middlesbrough fans was on the scale that we saw on Sunday.

I can honestly say I've never seen abuse of that sort on that scale that I saw on Sunday, and it was the amount of abuse and for the duration of the whole game that was so shocking.

gravy_boat Posted on 28/8 10:18
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Jackal01

I suggest you look at who I quoted before getting all het up flower.

It's important to think, before engaging fingers.

bandito Posted on 28/8 10:18
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calling someone a fat greedy bas tad doesnt even compare to being labelled a paedo. Come on Corcaigh man. Which are you likely to react more to? There's banter and there's uneducated drivel.

Fangdango Posted on 28/8 10:19
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Anyone remember the Boro's first match v Bradford after the fire ? We were shocking with some of our chants. Made the mags on Sunday look rather tame, so perhaps we should just keep our indignation to ourselves, as we appear to be livin in glass houses and arming ourselves with rocks

toxic_bob Posted on 28/8 10:20
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In the old days we'd have sung something louder and more abusive right back. These days we write 'disgusted of Tonbridge Wells' letters. Plus ca change.

bandito Posted on 28/8 10:20
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good to see Boro fans have moved on, some fans havent.

Big_Shot Posted on 28/8 10:23
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Funnily enough we were on about the Bradford game after the game. I also remember Paul Parker getting loads of racist abuse in the home leg of the Rumbelows Cup semi in 91, it seemed like the whole of the Holgate was doing it. But we all accept that was in the 'bad old days' so neither of those things are relevant today and certainly can't be used to excuse the abuse Mido received on Sunday.

Turner_86 Posted on 28/8 10:23
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It's got nothing to do with what happened 20 years ago, it's 2007 and any set of fans that do it now should be punished.

You can't just make a reference something that happened a long time ago and say it happened then so it's okay for it to happen now.

wilfym Posted on 28/8 10:24
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Im with toxic_bob on this one ...talk about over reaction from some of the intellectual high brow elite on here.Newcastle fans aimed abuse at Mido to get a reaction and they got it, he scored .Emre plays for newcastle and hasnt suffered similar abuse by his own fans has he?,they have a squad of diff nationalities,colours and creeds like ourselves and are they racially abused..i think not. So take it for what it was,a wind up,misplaced ,ignorant and in extremely bad taste yes but trying to label the club ,fans and anyone who doesnt agree with your particular opinion of it racist is a complete joke.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 28/8 10:24
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Bandy, I've been in there with you when Keegan, Reid, Barmby etc. have been given loads of stick. You're being too sensitive. Football songs are rarely witty, generally childish drivel, and like the daft Geordies yesterday, we've given that kind of stuff out.

bandito Posted on 28/8 10:25
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Turner, is the apologists way of "clutching at straws"

skiprat Posted on 28/8 10:25
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This is exactly what I mean by pathetic excusing of it.

What happened 20 years ago is of absolutely no relevance to matters today.

Corcaigh - Calling someone fat and greedy is slightly different to what was being said on Sunday surely?

bandito Posted on 28/8 10:26
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Again Corcaigh, you cant compare. Were dealing with "paedophilia" here mate. The vilest crime known to man and one which should be punishable by the death sentence in my opinion. We aint talking about a scouser with amonkeys head or an eighties icon with a bubble perm ffs!

Turner_86 Posted on 28/8 10:28
re: Boro fans Mido Hypocrisy

When was the last time any set of fans came to the Riverside and made racist abusive chants on that scale?

Apart from Newcastle fans doing it in the past on a smaller scale, I'm struggling to think of one at all.

Fangdango Posted on 28/8 10:30
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I'm pretty sure that if we'd have had some verbal ammo, it would have been used, acceptable or not, so long as it wound up the mags, we'd have used it. The pedo thing is gettin a bit old though, shows the mags lack of originality rather than an unusual lack of respect. Just hope we dont sign dutch wonderboy Bilde Hollesta

bandito Posted on 28/8 10:31
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It doesnt happen now. You might get the odd knuckleahed who cant handle his ale but there were 2,800 mags fans there and I'd guess by the noise that there was about 60 percent singing the songs. Poor form, and says a lot about education on Tyneside.

Turner_86 Posted on 28/8 10:35
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Fangdango, I think there are plenty of disgusting things we could have sang back, including targeting players such as barton and Owen and Smith.

Fangdango Posted on 28/8 10:37
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The group of people all in one place psychology thingy. Carried along on the wave. Most of em won't have thought before joining in.

bandito Posted on 28/8 10:38
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that tells me that they are indded incredibly thick, naive and stupid then.

Fangdango Posted on 28/8 10:39
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There were plenty of unpleasantry's aimed by individuals - we just aint a pack of sheep like the skunks !!!

wilfym Posted on 28/8 10:40
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Yes i was all for singing "Youve got an axe murderers brother in your team" to the tune of "Hes got the whole world in his hands" but thought better of it.

gravy_boat Posted on 28/8 10:42
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Sheep Skunks?

Patrick_Batemen Posted on 28/8 10:47
re: Boro fans Mido Hypocrisy

We have all heard unsavoury chants at games, many that make us cringe, I sat behind to a blatant racist in the north west upper for a season, the fact that he was about 25 stone meant nobody dare challenge him.
The point is he didnít represent me or all boro fans, do away fans represent all GeordiesÖno they donít but unquestionably a higher % of their faithful join in with the sick chants. Does the % make a difference? Perhaps.
Thereís no doubt in my mind that some people who are attacking the Geordies with such venom will have said and done just as bad themselves, thereís a few ex hooligans giving it the big one too.

I guess it all depends where the line is, I remember a night game when more than 50% of the Riverside chanted Le Saux he takes it up the aaassss he takes it up the asss.
I am sure this could be construed as homophobic and offensive to many, especially to a middle class married man whose only crime was to read a broadsheet with his cornflakes
I have heard plenty of racist calls, especially at away games, although thankfully there are few and far between these days.


The Mido chant wasnít racist in its initiation although I dare say most of them people who joined in, have no idea who Reid is and did so because either he is Arabic or because they would just join in within anything the rest of the fans are saying.

The pido comments are unjustifiable and a shocking thing to say to a young man trying his best to do his job.

Btw these are my opinions, I am not saying they are the FACTS, lets stick to the subject rather than childish name calling boromart and others.


--- Post edited by Patrick_Batemen on 28/8 10:48 ---

The_Goatie Posted on 28/8 10:53
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PB.

I think we are all agreed the comments are not what we want to hear from football fans in today's or any other society - that there are some amongst our ranks who would possibly do the same sadly but why go to great lengths to point it out? We are all know that to be the case. Surely its more important to concentrate on eradicating the chants rather than accuse people of hypocrisy.

Fangdango Posted on 28/8 10:55
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The pedo chants were unjustified but very predictable. I just rolled my eyes with the 'that old chestnut' look on my face. Didn't actually make out the terrorist inuendo stuff. Bit shocked that the ref booked him though, thought any decent ref would have just had a quiet word, given the circumstances, is he gonna try an appeal it ?

Patrick_Batemen Posted on 28/8 11:00
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The Goatie, because there was thread after thread labelling all geordie fans which is unfair in my opinion, I have a few Geordie mates, all good lads, they talk crap about footy, but they would never join in with racist chants and they were all at the match.

I didn't see one comment highlighting that our own fans have done similar in the past.

I felt a bit of balance was needed, and a few people needed to get off their high horse, when I seen an ex hoolie giving it the big one, on one of the threads I found the hypocrisy startling.

Patrick_Batemen Posted on 28/8 11:02
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Just to add, I find the Geordies complaining about Mido beyond hilarious, he did the very least a man in his position should be allowed to do, like I told them on their board if you give it you have to be able to take it.

Also none of them would say it to his face as heíd smash their teeth in, he is a bruiser this lad, and I for one think I have my first hero since Juno.

Fangdango Posted on 28/8 11:06
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I'm with you Bateman, could be the new god !

Fangdango Posted on 28/8 11:07
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Should appeal his bookin - 'They were calling me a kiddy fiddler and a terrorist, so I asked them to be quiet m'lord - quite reasonable !

The_Goatie Posted on 28/8 11:09
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PB

Shouldn't you have said "some Geordies" compaining?

Patrick_Batemen Posted on 28/8 11:12
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lol, I just mean the ones who are complaining. Not all Geordies.

Boro_Gadgie Posted on 28/8 11:20
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I certainly don't recall anything aimed at Mido when we played Spurs 2 years ago. If there were any such chants, it must have been a small minority of teenage scrotes, because I never heard owt.

As regards sick chants aimed at Bradford fans in the late 80s, I seemed to remember both sets of fans indulging in sick chants, our lot about the fire, and their lot about child abuse. I was disgusted by both sets of fans who sung those songs.

I also remember in 1979, West Brom's Brendan Batson was fouling like hell, so the Holgate decided to chant things like "Roots" (to the tune of "Shoot), and "Sambo, Sambo!". at which point he just turned to the Holgate and bowed. I'm ashamed to admit that even I joined in, but even at 10 years old, I knew to draw the line at the despicable chant of "We hate the n*g*ers!"

Patrick_Batemen Posted on 28/8 11:24
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A little off subject but following on from boro gadgie's comments, if ever you wanted an example of how brain dead a section of football fans will be after a few beers, watch the bradford fire video, several bradford fans are jumping up and cheering as people burn to death.

Link: do not view if you are easily upset

Fangdango Posted on 28/8 11:25
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Overall, I think it's pleasing that this kind of chanting doesn't happen like it used to. Now it makes the headlines when it does happen. I think we can be positive about the direction footy in this country is going - Watchin Danny's investigation into foreign firms and seeing attitudes of fans abroad I reckon the premiership is a flagship of decency and civilised behaviour, though there is always room for improvement. Just hope the PC brigade don't go silly and start to ruin what is genuine terrace banter adding to the beautiful game.

Turner_86 Posted on 28/8 11:35
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I've never seen that before PB, that's pretty horrific. Could have been a hell of a lot worse.

Andy_Lad Posted on 28/8 11:41
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I just cant believe some people seem to think the terrorist taunts are 'just banter' etc. It's racist as simple as that. He is being called a terrorist (which is extremely insulting to an Egyptian I would think)because of his enthnicity. Its the same as someone being called a monkey for the same reason. Also it is NOT the same as telling someone they should be in jail etc which some people seem to have tried to suggest.

I did have sympathy for any Newcastle fans who were not involved but as I have yet to see one comment condemning the chants I'm changing my mind. If our fans had done the same I'm certain many people on here would be ashamed and hold their hands up.

Turner_86 Posted on 28/8 11:43
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Surely it's exactly the same as calling a German a nazi.

toxic_bob Posted on 28/8 11:46
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Whether racist or not, I don't think anybody is denying that the chants were offensive, and reprehensible. What sticks in my craw is the whiter-than-white hysterical bleating of many on here. Let the FA deal with it, and stop whinging. Puffs.

kevinphillips Posted on 28/8 11:51
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Bateman, you have no proof. You could be a closet mag.

skiprat Posted on 28/8 11:55
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That Bradford video is horrific. Can't believe just how quickly it goes up.

piggy_nichol Posted on 28/8 12:07
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Have I got the wrong end of the stick here?

Surely the 'Shoebomber' chants are because Mido has a strong facial resemblance to Richard Reid.

Reid is English, not even of Egyptian heritage. If Mido resembled Ian Brady I'd expect Moors Murderer chants. I dont see this as racist at all.

borofsky Posted on 28/8 12:08
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You're right Piggy they all look the same to me too.

Oh...

Boro_Gadgie Posted on 28/8 12:10
re: Boro fans Mido Hypocrisy

The chants the other day weren't about shoe bombers, I don't think. It was "Mido, he's got a bomb, Mido", presumably sung because he's an Arab. which makes it racist. I never heard our fans singing that to Mido when he was playing for Spurs. Odd how some are only mentioning it now. Anyway, how come Newcastle fans supposedly know about this, as they wouldn't have been at the Boro Spurs game, it wasn't picked up on telly and wasn't reported in the media.

I think some people are liars for suggesting this.

--- Post edited by Boro_Gadgie on 28/8 12:13 ---

Patrick_Batemen Posted on 28/8 12:16
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"Bateman, you have no proof. You could be a closet mag"

Well I have met several people on this thread kevin, is that proof enough? They know I am a boro fan.

piggy_nichol Posted on 28/8 12:18
re: Boro fans Mido Hypocrisy

I dont think likening an Egyptian to a man of English/Jamican descent warrants an 'all look the same' reference.

As I say, perhaps I've got the wrong end of the stick, but if the chants were linking arabs with terrorism why the specific shoe bomber reference? Why not 9/11? It is because of the close facial resemblance to Reid.

DinkDankDoo Posted on 28/8 12:32
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Boro_Gadgie Posted on 28/8 12:10 Email this Message | Edit | Reply
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The chants the other day weren't about shoe bombers, I don't think. It was "Mido, he's got a bomb, Mido", presumably sung because he's an Arab.

BORO GADGIE may I draw your attention to YOUR phrase...
presumably sung because he's an Arab.

I presume that you are presumably ill informed and you are presumably jumping on the band wagon because presumably you were not at the game as presumably you were out shopping presumably in Redcar!

Am I right? Probably not

Are you right? Definately not!

Boro_Gadgie Posted on 28/8 12:35
re: Boro fans Mido Hypocrisy

I probably read piggy nichol's comments wrong, in that I thought someone was suggesting the shoe bomber chant was heard on Sunday. By the way, I would never go shopping in Redcar, especially when Boro are playing Newcastle. And I was most definitely at the game.

Patrick_Batemen Posted on 28/8 12:36
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Can't see it myself...

Link: ok maybe a little

Boromart Posted on 28/8 12:38
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I can't believe that some people are trying to justify what the Jawdees were doing as :-

a) just banter. I can't personally accept that, it went over the line of decency.

b) not racist, just bad taste. Sorry but they singled Mido out due to his ethnicity and religion. That is absolutely unquestionable due to the nature of the chants.

c) comparing to an individual racist Boro fan. This wasn't 1 fan this was the majority of their fans.

d) comparing to a minority of Boro fans at games. Every cross section of society has racists, the situation here is differant the majority of their fans sang racist chants for a significant period of the game.

e) Justifying their actions by saying we sang terrible things 20 years ago. Yes we did, and football has come a long way since then....except it appears on Tyneside.

f) saying this is just like 'telling teacher'. Sorry but that is a pathetic attitude. If someone does something wrong they deserve punishing. Claiming Boro fans are in the wrong for being annoyed at the actions of Jawdees is moral gymnastics of the highest order.

g) saying Jawdees can't be racist because they have players from all over the world. Those who chanted may not all be inherantly racist, maybe it was the mob mentality......but that is no excuse.



--- Post edited by Boromart on 28/8 12:41 ---

Patrick_Batemen Posted on 28/8 12:44
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"b) not racist, just bad taste. Sorry but they singled Mido out due to his ethnicity and religion. That is absolutely unquestionable due to the nature of the chants"

You're missing the point as piggy has rightly said, it is not because he is Arabic but because he looks like Reid.

DinkDankDoo Posted on 28/8 12:45
re: Boro fans Mido Hypocrisy

Don't go back pedalling now Boro Gadgie. You typed that comment! Maybe in future you should read, digest and think before you type eh?

Jackal01 Posted on 28/8 12:46
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How'd you like your gravy? Thick as fook for me please. New paragraph Gravy_boat, If you engaged your brain it's pretty clear I go on to talk about something else. Like this, watch.

"The Mido chant wasnít racist in its initiation although I dare say most of them people who joined in, have no idea who Reid is and did so because either he is Arabic or because they would just join in within anything the rest of the fans are saying." - PB

The point about Reid has only become apparent to myself today, and while the above still holds true undoubtedly throws the initiation of this chant into banter as opposed to racism.

The "peado" thing I'm surprised at. Do you not get this that often these days? I'd be surprised if NUFC fans are the only fans in the country who give you that. I'm not condoning it mind.

--- Post edited by Jackal01 on 28/8 12:49 ---

Boromart Posted on 28/8 12:48
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I'm not missing the point, I just don't happen to agree with you.

Anyway he looks nowt like him, unless your talking about the racist all arabs look alike kind of way! (most brits are not aware of Reids ethnicity and just assume he is arabic due to his skin tone and beard)

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Patrick_Batemen Posted on 28/8 12:49
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Link: shot

Geordie_Hater Posted on 28/8 12:50
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You have now earned yourself a century

Patrick_Batemen Posted on 28/8 12:53
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Bormart by your nonsensical logic, it is racist to call Jimmy Floyd -Eddy Murphy, it is Racist to call Dennis Bergkamp-Beavis.
Of course people will look more like others with the same skin tone, thatís not racist itís common sense.

Piquet2 Posted on 28/8 12:53
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"Have I got the wrong end of the stick here?

Surely the 'Shoebomber' chants are because Mido has a strong facial resemblance to Richard Reid.

Reid is English, not even of Egyptian heritage. If Mido resembled Ian Brady I'd expect Moors Murderer chants. I dont see this as racist at all."

....that's assuming all the Geordies were intelligent enough to know who Richard Reid is, presuming they don't the only reason I can think they sang it, was it was racially motivated.

--- Post edited by Piquet2 on 28/8 12:55 ---

dooderooni Posted on 28/8 12:59
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Well said Piquet.

Boromart Posted on 28/8 13:00
re: Boro fans Mido Hypocrisy

Patrick_Bateman and your non-sensicle 'logic' is that saying one person looks like another can NEVER be racist. Right, I think I will stick to my version.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 28/8 13:00
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Can't wait for 'he shoots, he scores, he eats labradors' from the North Stand. I suppose that will be just wit, if he ever does that is.

Boromart Posted on 28/8 13:01
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spot on piquet. I can't believe how many Jawdee apologists are spouting their drivel on here today.

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piggy_nichol Posted on 28/8 13:09
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Piquet, thats a fair comment. Whilst I suspect the initial reference (whenever it was) was based upon facial likeness and not a mistaken racial similarity, in hindsight I agree that the majority of those signing probably wouldnt know Richard Reid from John Reid.

So yes, from those people it probably was racist.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 28/8 13:09
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Not apologists, the answer's in the thread title.

Patrick_Batemen Posted on 28/8 13:12
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Boromart I didnít say anything close to that. I was responding to this nonsense

'Anyway he looks nowt like him, unless your talking about the racist all arabs look alike kind of way'

I agree with what piquet and piggy just said, the instigatorsí were obviously savvy enough to recognise the likeness, others were either sheep or racist, but then I said that an hour ago;) However the actual comparison of him to Red is not racist.

RAYMOND_HDD Posted on 28/8 13:13
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Is it just me that finds boromart to be a indignant condescending twatt with anyone who dares to have a different opinion to him.

Rightly or wrongly my opinion is that the chants were distatesful rather than racist. This is nothing to do with being a geordie apologist or anything else.

Boromart Posted on 28/8 13:21
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Well my answer is that I haven't heard a majority of Boro fans chanting racial abuse since the late 80s, possibly early 90s. So where is the hypocrisy?

Of course there are the odd individuals or even small groups at some matches who are racist, but not a majority as witnessed on Sunday.

I have been to hundreds of Boro games and have not witnessed widespread systematic racial abuse during the last 15 years, so no hypocrisy.

Jackal01 Posted on 28/8 13:21
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Yeah well done Piquet2 for reiterating a point PB made more subtly half way up this thread. When you've caught up lads...

So whether or not those fans who did or didn't know where the chant originates still leaves them with the non-racist/Islamaphobic excuse. What do you want the FA to do about it?

That leaves you with the "paedo" thing which the FA have never acted on up to now.

Boromart Posted on 28/8 13:26
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RAYMOND_HDD, so you have to drop down to personal insults because I have a differance of opinion to you. Grow up lad it's called debate.



--- Post edited by Boromart on 28/8 13:27 ---

Patrick_Batemen Posted on 28/8 13:27
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No Raymond, it is not just you.

Boromart Posted on 28/8 13:29
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Bateman another who can't debate without acting like a child.

Patrick_Batemen Posted on 28/8 13:30
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Quite the opposite actually, the only person I see trying to be dominant and rude is you.

Piquet2 Posted on 28/8 13:31
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I didn't read capio's post, I was replying to Piggy's post.

RAYMOND_HDD Posted on 28/8 13:32
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mart

You have already dismissed people who have a different opinion to you as talking drivel. That is not the "debate" that you speak of, hence my remarks at you, lad!

--- Post edited by RAYMOND_HDD on 28/8 13:33 ---

Boromart Posted on 28/8 13:42
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fair enough Patrick/Raymond sorry if you think I'm being rude. This is an emotive subject so some people will get indignant about it. I don't agree that I'm trying to dominate, I have just addressed the points that have been listed to excuse the Jawdees behaviour and tried to disseminate them.

Back to the debate. We won't all agree if this is racist or not, so we will have to agree to disagree. What is obvious to me is that there is a line that shouldn't be crossed, people have different lines. For me a lack of action by the FA and by the Jawdee board and management will see us all move a couple inches back towards the dark old days. A lack of action will be seen as an approval of the behaviour we witnessed.

--- Post edited by Boromart on 28/8 13:46 ---

Patrick_Batemen Posted on 28/8 13:51
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Agreed.

DinkDankDoo Posted on 28/8 14:04
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Can I just butt in here for a mo...

Without blowing smoke up the lass'/lads' ar5e, Bateman is the most level headed smog I have read on here. Her/his views are both informative and readable.
I think there is a hell of a lot of people on thes threads (smogs and Geordies) who should take a leaf out of his/her book after looking at themselves and before pointing the accusing finger.



**I use the lads'/lass' and Her/his as I am unsure as to the sexuality of this person and I'd hate to be labelled a 'sexist!' If I have offended anyone whatsoever in this post, please accept my sincere apologies immediately.

toxic_bob Posted on 28/8 14:06
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Gillandi Posted on 28/8 15:23
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I don't remember any shoe-bombing chants from Boro fans in games Mido's played against us for Spurs. If there were any they can't have been audible enough to warrent any kind of complaint. There's video's of Mido scoring against us on YouTube, twice in one game at the Riverside, he just celebrates normally and doesn't make any "shush it" gestures to Boro fans which suggests he didn't hear anything either.

I've not heard of Mido ever coming in for that kind of abuse at any other grounds. His reaction wasn't that of someone used to it.

I don't think Mido has the remotest facial resemblance to Richard Reid.

The Boro striker looks like a Meditteranean catalogue model and the shoe bomber looked like a brain-washed and sun-burnt scrap metal dealer from Shepherds Bush.

My conclusion....a large number of our guests from Geordieland on sunday were morons.

RAYMOND_HDD Posted on 28/8 15:31
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boromart...

apologies all round [kiss and make up winky thing]

Boromart Posted on 28/8 15:43
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peace, love, empathy......well at least until the next argument

Boro_Gadgie Posted on 28/8 21:40
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Dink Dank Doo, why are you trying to change the content of the argument. Our fans, to my knowledge have not made those sort of chants at Mido, Newcastle fans have. It just seems odd that some Newcastle fans, with no evidence whatsoever, are coming on here telling lies. If some of our fans did sing that, it was certainly not 2,000 odd, probably not even 2 or 3. Until now, I've never heard anyone mention it, probably because it NEVER HAPPENED!

Another Geordie fan trying to deflect the argument away from themselves.

jamesuk001 Posted on 28/8 22:27
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Its not only newcastle supporters that sing sick songs. I was offered a ticket to a man utd v arsenal game a few seasons back. I sat in the stretford end (if thats how u spell it?) and there was a huge amount of peadofile chants aimed at venger to the tune of the venga boys venga bus!

the venga bus is coming and all the kids are running, from london to manchester he is a .............. im sure u can get the rest.

Although man utd can be a very well supported team they to have the many few (if that makes sense) fans who walk a tight line when it comes to chants!

As i feel very strongy about the Mido chants from the so called football fans of newcastle i feel its a problem that is brushed under the carpet alot of the time. A prime example was the three legends phone in, dont know if anyone heard mcdonald justifying the reasons for these chants (cos we called Vid fat)!

fosm Posted on 29/8 11:03
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PATRICK_BATEMAN
what a load of bollcks. YOU ARE NOT A BORO FAN, just admit your lot were bang out of order. I've never heard that chant and attend most Boro games.
Did the Geordies sing that one too? Doesn't surprise me.

Patrick_Batemen Posted on 29/8 11:06
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Fosm, try not to make a fool of yourself with your next post, cheers.

TheSmogMonster Posted on 29/8 11:10
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Patrick_Batemen:

Serious question, were you even in the country for those games last season?

Its just you're the only person who remembers it, theres even been a thread on the spuds board and none of them remember it either.

sasboro Posted on 29/8 12:09
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I'm surprised no one has picked up on the sexist chants by newcastle fans towards the young lady who was working for setanta and helping out the side picth cameraman

cpmfc Posted on 29/8 12:39
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I am a boro fan and when mido came on for spurs There was shoe bomber taunts made towards him not by a few dickheads either a good few in the north stand.Barcodes were out of order on sunday but i have heard worse at the riverside a number of times.