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bandito Posted on 2/9 10:23
A big v sign to the stay aways

Why should you be so hard to please?

Are you special?

Do you demand more than anyone else?

Did you used to cry at christmas when you didnt get the toy you asked for?

Stay away as far as I'm concerned. I'm happy as things are thank you very much.

boroproud Posted on 2/9 10:24
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Bit harsh when im at work and cant go

WHITEANT Posted on 2/9 10:25
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Icried when i didnt get my blow up doll for christmas ( ONLY JOKING OF COURSE )

sasboro Posted on 2/9 10:36
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is that the lowest ever premier league attendance at the riverside?

scoea Posted on 2/9 10:39
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Again, I agree.

You can talk about lack of entertainment, price of beer, ticket prices until you're blue in the face but all of those excuses are just something to hide behind. The bottom line is that many of the stayaways prefer to sit in the pub spending money on beer.

As you say - they can stay in the pub.

bandito Posted on 2/9 10:40
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probably. Not something to brag about as it's a bit embarassing but if fans cnt be arsed to come then it's them who are missing out. I didnt realise so many boro lads were under the thumb and have to go shopping on saturdays now. What's all this crap about people have a choice thesedays and prefer to spend their money elsewehere? Never heard so much crap in all my life

key_toenail Posted on 2/9 10:40
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blame Sky

and turban tv

boroproud Posted on 2/9 10:40
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for the second time, I WAS AT FOOKING WORK!

sasboro Posted on 2/9 10:42
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so 12,000 boro fans are sat in pubs in middlesbrough on a match day watching the game?

bandito Posted on 2/9 10:42
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shift swap?

Micky_Boro Posted on 2/9 10:42
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It's got to be the prices of the tickets, the quality seems to be going in the right direction. Early days and all that. I think they need to look at the prices.

I'm a season ticket holder btw.

Lefty3668 Posted on 2/9 10:43
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I don't think we should let on how good we are starting to look. It's a bit like when you discover a new band that you just know are going to be great. It is just that little bit extra special when only a few of you know a scoop in advance of the general public, who you can then look down on.

If anyone asks you how things are going just say 'oh, same old boro as usual.' Don't worry, you won't be able to keep that infuriatingly self knowing smirk off you face when you say it.

scoea Posted on 2/9 10:44
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I wasn't talking about those that work on matchday or those that genuinely can't afford it, I'm talking about those that go out shopping with the missus or those that sit and watch it in the pubs - spending more than they would at the match anyway.

sloath Posted on 2/9 10:46
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Went back to the pub after the match and a lad at the bar who watched it on tv said he was embarrased by that only 22,000 had turned up. You couldnt make it up.

Andy_Lad Posted on 2/9 10:46
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I'm thinking this isn't directed at people who live away, work, cant afford it etc. Its the people who could go and have done in the past and CHOOSE not to. Ticket pricing is too high though.

bandito Posted on 2/9 10:47
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looking at the situation, we have a hardcore of what we got yesterday, the other 6 0r 7k which took us up and around the 30k mark are flaoting about rubbing their chins thinking shall I or shant I and the reason for that is because JUninho and Ravanelli arent here. Sad state of affairs. Middlesbrough has lost it's working class spirit where we once followed the underdog and wanted the team to do well for the good of the town. We are now left with a bunch of snobs and a load of pick n choosy lads who prefer to fan ny around in psyche, get their haircuts for twenny quid and then spend the change from a fifty pound note in the pub, where they spend all game moaning and texting gheir girlfriends.

boroproud Posted on 2/9 10:47
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"shift swap?"


I would do Bandy but because i drive under EU regulations and there is only 8 of us in our depot who do so ,swapping shifts isnt that easy as you have to take into account others driving hours,rest days etc.

sasboro Posted on 2/9 10:47
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small crowd yesterday as people saved their money for newcastle game. club should have done a 2 or 3 ticket deal this week.

key_toenail Posted on 2/9 10:49
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i refuse to come all the way from Redcar to go to the games because the train goes straight past the stadium and i have to walk back again from the station

shocking

scoea Posted on 2/9 10:51
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I am so sick of this attitude that the club has to do more. Rubbish. Anyone with half a brain can see what the club is trying to do on the pitch. That should be enough. Anything else is just an excuse to hide behind.

boroproud Posted on 2/9 10:51
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you never heard of the emergency cord?

littlejimmy Posted on 2/9 10:53
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They should never have filled those corners in.

bandito Posted on 2/9 10:53
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boroproud: let me make this clear, I am in no way having a go at you, I think you know the types that infuriate me. Work, family funds permitting there are no excuses for those that are out there.

key_toenail Posted on 2/9 10:55
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make the spaces between the seats bigger


Micky_Boro Posted on 2/9 10:55
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littlejimmy, don't know if you are taking the piss, but I said the same thing to the guy who sits next to me.

boroproud Posted on 2/9 10:58
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I know your not Bandy,im just bored and giving myself something to moan about.

bandito Posted on 2/9 10:58
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the corners are an issue. If we chucked everyone out of there and put em in the east the gorund would look full!

jam69 Posted on 2/9 11:01
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its the working class fans that have been priced out bandito,as i have said £18 for akids ticket is a rip off,and people are sick of being ripped off.down to the price simple as that

Totality Posted on 2/9 11:02
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Two things dictate games this season:

1 - Whether I can afford it or not.
2 - Whether I can get somebody to look after my daughter if my Mrs is at work.

The latter point I'm sure will annoy some, but so what. My daughter is more important than my local football club.

The first point, as I've said several times on here, is an important one. I'll again use the Newcastle and Sunderland games as an example: £31 to £40 per ticket. Some will choose to watch that in the pub. Not me. If things are tight, I'll stay home and watch it on Setanta or Sky. If I can afford it, I'll go.

I've been to three games so far this season - and in all honesty that's more than the whole of last season. The signs from GS and the team are encouraging this season, and I hope to be able to go to a lot more games this season. But as encouraging as yesterday's performance was, the price of the ticket is still a big factor for me and many others.

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billybalfour Posted on 2/9 11:03
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"Middlesbrough has lost it's working class spirit where we once followed the underdog and wanted the team to do well for the good of the town. We are now left with a bunch of snobs and a load of pick n choosy lads who prefer to fan ny around in psyche, get their haircuts for twenny quid and then spend the change from a fifty pound note in the pub, where they spend all game moaning and texting gheir girlfriends."

could have something to do with it, or the plain fact that working class people cant afford tickets like they used to.
1987 ticket £4 average wage for trades man £7 ph
now average ticket £28 average wage for tradesman £11ph
you do the sums, or are you so angry you can't think straight

bandito Posted on 2/9 11:04
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there is an apthy tho. I'm not going to go into the issue of pricing because the club have got it wrong in my opinion. To take a kid to a game under acertian age should be no more than a fiver. However, there are definitley fans out there using price as an issue but they would soon find the money if the club signing a whole host of top class players

jam69 Posted on 2/9 11:05
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spot on billy

goffy69x Posted on 2/9 11:06
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bandito, you should really think before you start slagging people off, i had a go at ste86 last night for stupid comments like the ones you are making, as i said last night, i spent a fortune on last sunday and again on wednesday, i have a kid on the way so money is a bit tight, we dont need morons you likey you having a go

sasboro Posted on 2/9 11:07
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the crowds have continued to fall despite winning the carling cup, reaching a european cup final.. the club assuming that playing extiting football will bring the fans back is naive. it runs deeper than that.

bandito Posted on 2/9 11:08
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billy: of course price is a factor, it could be the main factor. However there are enough people out there who can afford to go who could go a long way to fill that stadium and they are choosing not to because they'd rather sit in the pub, get their haorcut and do some other poncey crap

bandito Posted on 2/9 11:09
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goofy: read my posts more closely. I mention price as a perfectly valid excuse, as I do with family. I;m in a similar situation mate so chill out.

Micky_Boro Posted on 2/9 11:10
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It's got to be the price, football is our national sport. It is hugely popular, if the chance to see your local team, play entertaining football, in one of the greatest leagues in the world, is not enough to entice you then nothing will.

billybalfour Posted on 2/9 11:15
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accessabilty of the stadium and tickets is also a factor, its ok for computer literate people liek ourselves to purchase from home on the day, but a lot of older folk would have to get to the stadium and speculate that they could get a seat.
When Ajax moved out of town they allowed tickets to be bought in all areas in the newsagents via an electronic machine , similar to lottery, they realised there was a problem taking the club out of the heart of the town so they still let you buy tickets in all the local areas, would be a bit like being able to get a ticket in yarm, stiockton, norton, billingham, boro ayresome area, stokesly, you name it, a lot more people would come if they could get the tickets this way.

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dooderooni Posted on 2/9 11:16
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No-one is denying that the prices are an issue sas but as bandy says, outside those that have work/location/family commitments there are Boro fans that can afford to attend the matches but choose not to.

We would all like cheaper football, not just Boro fans, but I feel too many people have used the 'poor football' excuse to cover up the fact that going to the ground, getting a ticket and attending the match is too much effort compared to spending the ticket money in the pub.

If we continue to play good football then the ones who genuinely stayed away because of it will come back even if ticket prices don't change.

The club should not have to look at enticing fans back with discounts on adult tickets mid-season but as a season ticket holder I would not mind if they looked at offers to get more kids into the ground.

The atmosphere has seen an upturn that strangely coincides with the reduction in attendances as well so make of that what you will. I feel some people just like to moan for moanings sake.

bigrichardthe3rd Posted on 2/9 11:17
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good idea that,,,,mate

jam69 Posted on 2/9 11:18
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maybe bandito some people can afford to go,but dont because they see it as a rip off fueling spoilt brats getting 80k a week.
if i went shopping for a pair of jeans i might think £25 is a fair price,i could afford £50 but see that as a rip off and wont pay it,same as i wouldnt pay £18 for my 5 yr old to watch a game of football,its a rip off

Vlad_The_Kinder Posted on 2/9 11:18
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Thing is that if the prices are lowered would it bring back the fair weather fans who would get on the players backs more quickly and ruin the atmosphere?

mowbrays_number_4 Posted on 2/9 11:19
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very true about the atmosphere dooderoni

scoea Posted on 2/9 11:20
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The point here is nothing to do with those that genuinely can't afford it, that are working or that have family commitments. It's the ones that can afford to have a shopping trip with the wife or that can afford to sit in a pub and spend £20 on beer and crisps that I have a problem with.

sasboro Posted on 2/9 11:20
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What option is there left to do to attract new fans to games? Winning a cup and a uefa cup final didnt work. This new exciting football isnt working either. Club needs to get out there and do a bit of market research. its not eh season ticket holders they should be asking the questions to. I'm sure teh club have a data base full of ex season ticxket holders and other fans who have ben to games so its not difficult to find out what would entice them back.

And i thought the atmposphere was pretty poor yesterday

scoea, do you really think 10,000 boro fans are sat int eh pubs watching the game? maybe 1 or 2,000 max.

The club needs to realising its competition now from their other forms of income ie games on tv.. they just cant have it both ways

something isnt right when 10,000 fans have left! they all cant be wrong!

--- Post edited by sasboro on 2/9 11:23 ---

billybalfour Posted on 2/9 11:21
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Another factor is this area has seen a massive cost of living rise with the house prices, more so than a lot of areas,
Its not uncommon now for people to be forking out nigh on 1K a month on mortgage for a 3 bed semi in norton, and there on £11p/h working 7 days a week, i actually know people like this, and i know one person who gets quite bitter whn i ask him to come to match, he thinks its absurd players getting 10k a week min, when normal people struggle so much to keep a standard house going. this guy used to come every week with me years back, the whole thing boils his pi$$ now

Proctors_Perm Posted on 2/9 11:23
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the problem is far spreading than you first imagine, i regularly hear adverts on radio for tickets to arsenal/chelsea down here, attractive successful football doesn't fill stadiums either, they both struggle to fill their stadia and oftern sell to tourists or give taickets away as prizes...

dooderooni Posted on 2/9 11:26
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It's a fact that on the whole, our best atmospheres recently (maybe not the loudest but certainly the most positive and supportive) have come when we have smaller crowds.

Those that go now want to be there and want to see the team do well. We can probably all say 'so and so who sat near me and didn't renew was a right moaning git on reflection'.

pisces Posted on 2/9 11:26
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It's ok for people to complain about the price of tickets and I fully understand that some people genuinely can't afford it, but will theses be the same people clamouring for tickets if we get in to Europe again?

scoea Posted on 2/9 11:27
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Sas - are you admitting that we are playing exciting, attractive football then?

The atmosphere was good yesterday but it was a low attendance. Of course I don't think 10000 people sit in the pub. A few thousand do, a few thousand stay at home, a few thousand go out with their wife to shop in Next. The point is that I think only a small proportion don't go because of money or commitments.

And yes, 10000 people can be wrong.

billybalfour Posted on 2/9 11:30
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agree piscis,
like as a non season ticket holder, i went to every european match at home and went to majority of league games too, then when the final tickets went on sale, all the lazy season ticket holders who wouldnt go to chevio etc, turned up,
i spent near to a grand that yseason following boro, those partime season ticket holders only spent £380

dooderooni Posted on 2/9 11:34
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A bit of a generalisation billy but for the most part it's true.

My sister, a red book season ticket holder, missed one european game home and away (Xanthi, and only because the club cancelled the flight) and she didn't get a sniff of a final ticket. We both went to Eindhoven though because we are mental and wouldn't have missed it for the world.

Robbo_89 Posted on 2/9 11:38
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People seem to find the money when we get to finals. Personally i'm happy with the way things are going and yesterday the 22,000 that were there made a half decent atmosphere. I go to the match with people who go without alot of other things to watch the boro, i'm sure some people could do the same.

billybalfour Posted on 2/9 11:42
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dood,
What got me was a work collegue (st holder) didnt got to one euro match and wangled 4 fooking posh tickets for final, i was gutted,

jam69 Posted on 2/9 11:43
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of course people find the money for the bigger games and finals,every club has fans that turn up for the big games,if you can only afford 3-4 games a season stands to reason your going to pick man utd or arsenal over birmingham or blackburn

dooderooni Posted on 2/9 11:46
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I know billy, I was a victim of it too and it still rankles. Not as much as it did at the time mind you but as a lot of the old S and T's seem to have given up I'll be higher up the pecking order when we next get to a final.

smallmindedcranks Posted on 2/9 11:53
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The season ticket prices have now been frozen for 3 seasons, use the price as an excuse if you like but thats all it is,an excuse.

Stay away for good, as far as I can see you stay aways contributed nothing other than negativity to the atmosphere, boo the tv and pretend you cant afford the rising match costs, that havent actually risen in 3 years, despite most peoples wages increasing during that time.

We fans will enjoy good attacking football, a better atmosphere, less queueing for drinks and food and less disappointment at the whining bandwagon who used to sit near us.

Brick_Tamland Posted on 2/9 11:57
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I agree, cranks.

TEEBAG Posted on 2/9 12:10
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Read the first post cant be bothered to read anymore drivel from such a knobhead

sasboro Posted on 2/9 12:34
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"Sas - are you admitting that we are playing exciting, attractive football then?"

certainly more exciting that undersmac..but then again smac gave us some great games like uefa cup, manutd 4-1 and so on.

this new buzz phrase of exciting football is still not going to bring back 10,000 fans

had 2 extremes wigan away and birmignham at home balance wil be somewhere in the midde

Ricard00 Posted on 2/9 13:08
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I was working yesterday and my wife couldn't get the kids looked after, gave our ST's away though so at least our seats were occupied.

Huan_Kerr Posted on 2/9 13:18
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We had to watch a whole load of shyte at home last season. It takes its toll.

Pubs showing the games, the cost of a ticket, a lack of parking and decent public transport, the possibilty of watching the game on the net, the obsence wages of the players, the lack of any early big names signing early on. Its all of these things.

And particularly yesterday, the lack of anyone in the Brum team that anyone has ever heard of (Except Parnaby).

The only two things that will bring back the floaters is the kind of football we had yesterday and a reduction in the costs.

Moaning and bleating about it will do fk all.

Geordie_Hater Posted on 2/9 13:20
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FFS You cant make people go to a match they choose if they want to go and you cant do anything about it.
Fair do's its always good to sell out but we are no man utd,chelsea or liverpool.
I do go to every match i can get myself to but the ones i cant i always listen to it on the radio but never go to the pub to watch it.

bigrichardthe3rd Posted on 2/9 13:30
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why dont boro sell season tickets ,like one for a full season ,one for half a season,divide the teams up ,like a ticket to see l,pool brum reading arsenal,divide them like that sure we would sell more that way....

japsterboro Posted on 2/9 13:45
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Its like saying "I pay more tax than you, so I should have an opinion on how our country is run and you are not allowed"

If you took away the income generated by all the 'part-time' supporters, do you think the club would be better off?

Personally, I don't give a flying f**k what time other people invest in Boro ... but can you blame people voting with their feet when they were not being entertained?

alboksic80 Posted on 2/9 14:06
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sick of you dickheads going on about crowds ive two kids for us to go on sat wouldve been £54 and i aint got that sort of money so fuking back off!!!!!!

scoea Posted on 2/9 14:37
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Many of you are spectacularly missing the point.

Be careful Sas, you almost, just nearly said something positive.

OPEO Posted on 2/9 15:37
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Maybe if we'd lost against Bolton at Cardff we'd still have a few more wingers.

Patrick_Batemen Posted on 2/9 15:44
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"They should never have filled those corners in"

I agree with big jimmy, I need to have a lie down now.


There's no point about moaning about fans going or not, once you stop going for whatever reason...can't afford it, work...moved out of the area...bored. It stops being part of your routine and we have to be won back, all it means is we enjoy it less than some of you. Does it make us lesser fans? Yes probably, but I can live with that.

I personally get far more enjoyment from my Sunday league team, now that the last phuqer Yakubu has gone, you’ll see me back and giving them a chance., but if I start watching crap every week, I will stop going, we’re floating voters.

Thornaby_Boro Posted on 2/9 16:00
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Just another opinion on the stay away fans. I know of a few people who couldn't really afford season tickets a few years ago, but as credit cards were often interest free they just kept putting it on their cards, now reality is beginning to bite and the bills are piling up a further £450 plus on their cards was something they couldn't justify.
I don't think they are any less of a fan than me, possibly they were more of a fan as they were previously buying something they probably couldn't afford.

HolgateWall Posted on 2/9 16:32
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After reading a few posts on this same subject some are saying that the 'stay away' fans should not go back because they are not missed ( atmosphere is better without moaners) and some are saying that the 'stay away' fans should return because of the style of football, support Gibbo,Gareth the team the club the town etc.

I would love to go but at the moment i find it impossible to justify spending £3o on a ticket for a football match.

In saying this i am not having a go at the club;i am not in a position to know what the finances are that the club needs from gate reeipts to break even.

A lot of people in this town are on low incomes or unemployed and simply can't afford to go to matches. The argument about watching the game in the club comes down to this- £1.60 a pint and still maintain an interest in you team. When people can afford it they will return.

I am sure that people would rather be at the game than sat in a club watching but finacially they can't do it.

Woodymfc Posted on 2/9 16:51
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bandy

fooooooooooooook right off

garyhamiltonwasnails Posted on 2/9 16:57
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I've just worked it out. the way to get the supporters back is to start playing crap football again to give the moaners something to winge about. at the moment, with boro playing good football, they have nothing to moan about so they are staying at home. maybe if GS see's the error of his ways and starts putting a side out to play crap and get beat all the moaners will be back in no time.
it is quite shocking that the only people who are getting the benefit of watching the game are the ones who are getting behind GS and the team and are feeling confident about the season.

GET IT SORTED GARETH!!!!!!!!

Senor_Chester Posted on 2/9 17:01
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It's not about whether or not you can afford it but value for money. I could for instance afford to spend £100 a month on a haircut but don't, I spend £7. It's getting harder and harder to justify paying over the odds to go and watch a bunch of millionaires.

HolgateEnd Posted on 2/9 17:14
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Key_toenail, your comment "blame Sky and turban tv" is exactly what pi55es people off.

Sky tv and Turban tv are not stopping you from going to the match. You are deciding to do this all by yourself...

mmffcc1986 Posted on 2/9 17:47
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People complaining about ticket prices, cost of living, average earnings compared to 19 when ever and working. These are just really bad excuses, every club has high prices yet we fail to attract the fans. The cost of living increase effects the whole country not just middlesbrough.

I live in sunderland and get so much stick for our crowds and how bad our fans are etc how can they bring 45,000 and yes i know bigger town and all that but come on.

I'll sign off with hopes these fans will come back but i dont see it

stevieNUFC Posted on 2/9 17:56
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Bandito mate, if theres any justice the 11,000 that turned up during the week will be guaranteed a Cup Final ticket should you get there this year.Keep the faith.

Senor_Chester Posted on 2/9 18:02
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No they shouldn't, I couldn't go Wednesday and even if I couldn't be arsed I would still deserve one before them as I have a season ticket.

TeessideCleveland Posted on 2/9 18:04
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I was there but it's up to everyone how they choose to spend their own money - if they don't go to the match that's up to them

TeessideCleveland Posted on 2/9 18:06
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And why should season ticket holders be behind those who go to cup matches?
What if somebody spent £10 to go to one cup match and no league games?
Should they get priority over someone who has shelled out for a season ticket?

bandito Posted on 2/9 18:10
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dear me. Some people are missing the point completley. I'm not stupid enough to have a pop at the people who genuinely find it hard to find the money, nor have family commitments or have to work! We've all been there. Read the posts a bit more carefully without trading insults eh?

Senor_Chester Posted on 2/9 18:14
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Why should you be so hard to please? - Because they'd be shelling out a lot of money and want to get value.

Are you special? - Are we stupid and being ripped off?

Do you demand more than anyone else? - Some people do expect more for their money yes.

Did you used to cry at christmas when you didnt get the toy you asked for? - Fck knows.



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jam69 Posted on 2/9 18:15
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so bandito what about the people who can afford it,but think £31 is very poor value for a game of football?

bandito Posted on 2/9 18:19
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they arent fans in my opinion. You pay over the odds for everything thesedays so if you want to watch Boro that much you'd pay it. Happens at every other club so why should Boro fans think differently.

Michael_Debeve Posted on 2/9 18:20
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Why it so bad if you dont go to the game? Each to their own. Going to the game doesn't mean your a better fan (although in your eyes im sure it does). I dont go to the games because i generally dont enjoy watching football, it doesn't mean that i'm a rubbish fan and i dont want boro to succeed, because i do want us to succeed and give the people of middlesbrough something to be proud of. Im a massive football fan but that doesn't mean i enjoy watching football.

Senor_Chester Posted on 2/9 18:21
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You pay over the odds for everything so that justifies it then. It's exactly that attitude why we are getting ripped off. Some people have said enough is enough. What a stupid argument.

Senor_Chester Posted on 2/9 18:22
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Michael_Debeve wtf!!!???

HolgateEnd Posted on 2/9 18:29
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jam69, I agree with bandy on that one. If you can afford to go to the match, you should go regardless. Whilst everyone wants value for money, the club need the fans there so that they can go and buy the best players. This in turn gives us better value for money (on the assumption that better players = better performance).

Like Gibbo said in his interview about Viduka, our average gate receipts are £7.5m per season. We've spent £23m this summer now that the O'Neil deal is done. That means that the club have spend £15m more on transfer fees than they are going to get back this season from attendances, not taking into account wages and the other running costs of the club.

Gibbo's not going to keep spending that sort of money if he's not getting any back, so we need the people who can afford to go to the matches to get off their arses and go. Not sit in the pub.

Michael_Debeve Posted on 2/9 18:31
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WTF what?

jam69 Posted on 2/9 18:32
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m.d- i dont enjoy watching football but iam a massive football fan!
iam not gay but i love a bit of cock!

jam69 Posted on 2/9 18:33
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hes not though is he? the club will get an extra 15 million from sky this year wont they?

Bukowski_MFC Posted on 2/9 18:36
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One major reason for the fall in attendances - Teessiders are a lazy apathetic bunch in general who "can't be arsed". There you have it.

Michael_Debeve Posted on 2/9 18:36
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I dont enjoy watching it because its frustrating, im still a major fan though

Senor_Chester Posted on 2/9 18:38
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Couldn't sum it up better Jam.

HolgateEnd are you serious? No matter if were getting ripped off you should go regardless if you can afford it. Sorry mate it doesn't work like that.

oggy_jnr Posted on 2/9 18:39
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It would be nice to see a full house or near full house.
but like alot of ppl on here, i dont care. Im enjoying it and hope we keep producing the performances.
alot of ppl just sit on here and watch it via streaming :( shame on you all LOL

HolgateEnd Posted on 2/9 18:39
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Yes he will. But, what I am saying is that we've spent £23m on transfer fees, then there will be £15-20m a year in wages for all club staff put together, then there's the massive costs of running the stadium and training ground, the policing costs for the matches, the flights/trains/hotels etc for away games etc.

I am sure that the extra £15m is well and truly used up.

Plus, we'll all be expecting Gibbo to go and spend another £15-20m next summer. Where's that money coming from?

The fans want to see exciting, entertaining football, but the club needs the fans to turn up so that their revenue is boosted which will allow them to go and spend more money on very good players. It needs to work both ways.

Senor_Chester Posted on 2/9 18:46
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No it doesn't need to work both ways. If the supplier can't supply something thats value for money people won't have it.

It's too expensive nowadays for blind loyalty.

bandito Posted on 2/9 18:47
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How must Gibbo feel....he's shelled out another 24 mill, put all his faith in a rookie manager, he takes his seat in the west stand, he looks around and thinks to himself am I half an hour early? His ambition isnt being matched by the fans.

stevieNUFC Posted on 2/9 18:47
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I just dont understand how some of you lads can have a pop at Gibson.He is Boro through and through and i imagine he has given Southgate as much transfer money as possible without seriously risking a reapeat of 1986.

Senor_Chester Posted on 2/9 18:49
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"Have you payed that morgate repayment yet love?"

"Nah, I took the kids to the game, didn't want to hurt Gibsons feelings"

bandito Posted on 2/9 18:51
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if you sit back and think what youve just said it is infact a gross exaggeration.

Senor_Chester Posted on 2/9 18:54
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How's thats?

Boro_Gadgie Posted on 2/9 18:56
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Yesterday's performance deserved another 10k on the crowd. Must be very frustrating for Gibbo that people go for the cheaper option of watching matches in the pub or listening to the radio. We need to spread the word that we are playing good football.

bandito Posted on 2/9 18:56
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unless you are paying about 60 quid a month mortgage.

jam69 Posted on 2/9 18:57
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i think most boros fans have nothing but faith in mr gibson,it does not affect the fact that ticket prices are too high.i dont really blame boro they are trying to compete with the rest,but as working class fans get priced out of the game,teesside does not have the middle class population to replace them.
thats why the attmosphere at places like aresnal and newcastle is crap.people who have come along because they like to be seen at the game or the company they work for gave them freebees.
if bolton and blackburn could cut ticket prices then iam sure boro could at least look at charging £18 for a kids ticket

Senor_Chester Posted on 2/9 18:58
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So to take a couple of kids to the next match your talking at least 75 quid. You try making your next repayment 75 quid short and see if it goes unnoticed.

HolgateEnd Posted on 2/9 18:58
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S_C, football is different to every other "product" in that you get emotionally involved with a club. Yes the product has to be good to get people to go, but if the club doesnt get any money in from the fans, it cant exist. Therefore, we will have 1986 all over again.

And that comment about the mortgage is utter shyte. As Bandy said, this thread is targeting those "fans" who can afford to go but sit in the pub instead. No-one would expect a family to lose their house over a football team, what we would expect is that people who can afford to go, do go.

And Stevie, if your comment was aimed at me, I wasnt slagging Gibbo at all. I think the guy is a hero to teesside. I am saying that the fans are letting him down.

bandito Posted on 2/9 18:59
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middlesbrough is full of middle class people now. We have the biggest housing estate in europe. That alone should house enough people to fill an east stand!

bandito Posted on 2/9 19:01
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Chester, you're missing the point mate. Family first - thats how it works. Boro just has too many apathetic fans that cant be arsed and it's annoying.

HolgateEnd Posted on 2/9 19:04
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and what really, really fooking winds me up is that there were 150,000+ people out for the carling cup parade, but only 22k went to the match yesterday. Surely theres not 127,000 people who couldnt afford to go....?

And if it's all about entertainment, how come we took 40k to cardiff, even though we were not playing very well that season?

Patrick_Batemen Posted on 2/9 19:05
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He is having a go at the apathy shown by people like me, I understand him, I used to do the same, these days I am too apathetic to care.

Senor_Chester Posted on 2/9 19:07
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Well the Carling Cup parade was free if I recall. How come we took 40k to Cardiff? Well it was a cup final.

captain5 Posted on 2/9 19:10
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Lot of people still think we played well 96-97.

We didn't, not overall.

HolgateEnd Posted on 2/9 19:10
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yes, but the football at the time was still shyte. So the product that you drivel on about was still poor. So why go?

As for the parade, what I am saying is that if Boro have 150,000 fans, surely 35k can turn up every week. 127,000 of them cant be in a position where they cant afford a ticket.

bandito Posted on 2/9 19:11
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Capio, get your arse there you lazy get! I'll get you a pint in in Sq One

Senor_Chester Posted on 2/9 19:11
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And if they are that apathetic then do you think if they took out all these foreign channels we'd suddenly have 10k the next week? It would hardly affect the crowds at all.

Football made it's choice when it chose to go in the direction it did and priced it's fans out of the market for the sake of a fashionable trend that wouldn't last. Now it wants the people back who used to go and you yourselves are now calling your own a disgrace because they no longer go. I can hardly blame them. Enjoy your pints in the pubs lads.

Senor_Chester Posted on 2/9 19:13
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"yes, but the football at the time was still shyte. So the product that you drivel on about was still poor. So why go?

As for the parade, what I am saying is that if Boro have 150,000 fans, surely 35k can turn up every week. 127,000 of them cant be in a position where they cant afford a ticket."

Tickets were cheaper back then. Haven't we established this yet, people can afford to go but won't justify the cost.

jam69 Posted on 2/9 19:14
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ok bandito we will agree to disagree,but as we have loads of empty seats i would say that the prices are too high,for the record i went to 2 out of the three games this week and would love to see the ground full,but i would like the club to at least drop the kids prices to less than a tenner and compensate the sth kids.they wouldnt lose too much money in the long run.
anyway things on the pitch look a lot better,up the boro

bandito Posted on 2/9 19:16
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tickets were cheaper back then????? No they werent. Prices have been frozen remember. If you correct me then I'll argue that they were cheaper by about no more than a pound or two. People are going on like they used to play 50p 5 years ago and now pay double their mortgage.

HolgateEnd Posted on 2/9 19:17
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We won the cup in 2004, it's now 2007, so we won the cup 3 years ago. And prices have been frozen for 3 years.

So, how exactly have you worked out that tickets were cheaper back then? You've just flawed your own arguement mate.

Patrick_Batemen Posted on 2/9 19:18
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I have already said I'll be there Bandi, he had to win me back and he has, not because we beat Birmingham but I like the direction we are heading in, I see the logic of what he is doing and unlike McClaren he isn't full of chit.

Will sasboro get me a pint too or is he just as miserable in real life;)?

bandito Posted on 2/9 19:19
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jam, I agree that the club are very very responsible for the empty seats just as much as the fans that cant be bothered to go. I dont think Gibson deliberatley sets the prices just to pish off the supporters - he sets the prices to maiximise revenue as much as he can which is for the good of the club in order for it to first, survive, and second, to compete. I bet he has concerns about fans not being able to afford it and rightly so but he has to draw the line somewhere. I agree. I'm concerned now thinking how much it will be when I eventually get a season ticket for my son but in the meantime I'll cntinue to go because I love the club too much to turn my back

jam69 Posted on 2/9 19:19
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match day prices have gone up over the last few years,its season tickets that have been frozen i think

bandito Posted on 2/9 19:20
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patrick: He'll still find fault with almost anything but he'll get you a pint in, no bother.

Senor_Chester Posted on 2/9 19:20
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You were talking about 96/97 though:

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yes, but the football at the time was still shyte. So the product that you drivel on about was still poor. So why go?

HolgateEnd Posted on 2/9 19:23
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I also agree that the prices are too much. In fact, I'd love it if it was cheaper.

I also agree that £18 for a kids ticket is too much, They should do something like kids tickets for a tenner, or a fiver if purchased with an adult ticket.

I just think that if you can afford to buy a ticket, you should do.

bobdibob1 Posted on 2/9 19:51
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Have you ever thought of the fact that football is entertainment. Full stop. I do not owe the club, the town or the players my money.
If it's not value for money people won't go.
Yes we are playing better this month but can you honestly say that yesterday was £100 well spent for a family of 4 living in a small house on a small wage? I know some of you will baulk at the thought but the people of Teesside will probably have better things to spend their money on.
One other thought. At the UEFA semi-final last year a lot of people watched a great game. It will never ever be as good as that at the Riverside again IMO.
So perhaps we have had our 'Concorde moment'.
Stop having a go at fans who don't go to the game. It's a choice to go or not to go - it's time people realise that supporting a football team does allow you to make decisions from the head not the heart.

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br14 Posted on 2/9 20:12
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It's about price and the gradual downturn in the UK economy.

People are much worse off than they were back when the Riverside was seeing 35k attendances.

swordtrombonefish Posted on 2/9 21:33
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"What's all this crap about people have a choice thesedays and prefer to spend their money elsewehere? Never heard so much crap in all my life"

What utter bollix.

I was working this particular weekend. out of choice as it happens, because it was double time, and I am saving for new windows, a short weekend break, and for Christmas, which is looming large on the horizon.

I'll be at the Mackem game, but the following home game I'll be in Venice, because I feel like going, and because I have a choice.

I'm not asking for anyone to like it, I would not be arsed if you did or did not go, enjoy the game, I will certainly enjoy my break.

Derby_Red Posted on 2/9 21:41
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How Boro played yesterday was way, way, WAY above what was played 96/97.

As an aside, Bandi, what are you doing still on this board.

Derby_Red Posted on 2/9 21:59
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My ability to stop a thread in its tracks is, unequivocally, supreme.

I thank you, and goodbye.

RedWurzel Posted on 2/9 23:06
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Bandito

I agree with you there are probably 3 or 4k fans who can afford to come without living on beans on toast the whole week and they annoy me, its almost as though they treat football at Boro as something that comes in fashion and then out of fashion and its out of fashion at the moment.

I have to diagree on the pop profile of Teesside, it is very much still working class imo and I would be surprised if more than a third who live and work there earn the national average wage of £26k a year.

The new football fan earns over £40k a year, has a professional job, probably a degree, maybe send his/her kids to private school. There are not 1000s of them in Ingleby Barwick. Alot of these professionals work in large cities.

Teesside has been hit by people leaving the area as heavy industry winds down. There are alot like me who are keen, but live well away now, chiefly for work reasons, while say London is booming.

I think many of us agree £20 adults £10 kids would get more fans back, with £15 student/youngadult rate. This would get us back to a pricing level when the Riverside opened. I think people are less bothered what players earn, if they are paying less for a ticket.

MFC has taken alot of increased cash from Sky for increased coverage, it has to accept it needs to give some of this back to keep the fans.

Sunderland are doing well on the back of a new era and still can't sell out, they will have the same issues as Boro a few years down the line imo

Look at Blackburn their fan base has halved in recent years so they had to reduce prices.

No one has mentioned how few away fans there were from Birmingham, probably less than 500, in the past they have brought 2000, especially new season up in the Premiership lots of signings.

I think we will end up with some EPL clubs charging double to 3 times the price of others

Dearg_Ban_jj Posted on 2/9 23:21
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Ive never read so much rubbish in my life.
Maybe the stay- aways might ask you for permission to go.

sasboro Posted on 3/9 0:36
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a lot more fans share season tickets rather than have one each. some ans who live outside teh area may share a season ticket with a family member. with the current prices some fans are happy to share a season ticket and only go to half teh home games or less.

the clubs priority is financial above the fans so why cant the fans put finacial reasons above MFC themselves. Club cant have it both ways

The club decided to keep pushing the fans financially when we got near capacity crowds. So now the crowds are dropping and demand has fallen off its the turn of the club to bring down the prices. they have plenty of tv money to compensate for it. remember when mr lamb said he sees tv money subsidising ticket prices?

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trodbitch Posted on 3/9 0:42
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Don't you just hate it when you come back from the game and it was rubbish and a bloke in the pub laughs at you for 'paying to see that'? Isn't this just the opposite? Pathetic gloating?

Perhaps this is the bit where I should explain why I was not there for people to say "it's ok trod, it's not you we are getting at" but I'm not going to.

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