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Archie_Stanton1 Posted on 5/9 7:53
Now Steve Gibson Is Slagging Bernie Off

Went to the BBC Tees fans forum at the Riverside last night. It was recorded for broadcast tonight, so you`ll perhaps hear this yourself.

Gibson and Southgate were the guests for people to ask questions to. One of the first questions from the audience was why was there such a downbeat atmosphere around the town in advance of the new season.

Straight off Gibson said "well, it certainly doesn`t help when you have Century Radio and a certain ex Boro player constantly being negative about the club".

Now, i think there were a lot of reasons for people being unexcited about the new season; The loss of Viduka and the non replacement of his goals (pre Mido), the claims about spectacular signings that left people scratching their heads, No reduction in ticket prices, Changing the badge to a broadly unpopular design, the loss of the white band on the shirts, the delay in getting a new shirt sponsor etc etc etc.

But to put the No1 reason for people being down as being the views of a local Radio presenter is, to me, ridiculous. It must be a real kick in the teeth for Bernie, especially as he always refers to Gibson as "The king of Teesside" and won`t hear a word said against him.

As much as i`m a fan of Gibson, i think this line being taken by the chairman (and chief executive in FMTTM) is extremely narrow minded and short sighted.

teesste Posted on 5/9 7:58
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'Changing the badge to a broadly unpopular design, the loss of the white band on the shirts, the delay in getting a new shirt sponsor etc etc etc.'

Did these things really make you feel unexcited about the new season?

I couldn't give a toss about that kind of thing and only worry about what goes on on the pitch and so far so good this season.

To be fair Gibbo has a point about Slaven, he is an uneducated fool whose comments have embarrased us time and again, however i agree that there is more to it than just him.

trewoboro Posted on 5/9 7:58
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Slaven seems to be a bit of a scapegoat.

Borocuda Posted on 5/9 8:01
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Perhaps if you owned a business and an old employee was constantly being negative despite it being the most successful period since it was formed, you might get a bit fed up

simon1586 Posted on 5/9 8:01
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Cheap shot from a cheap set up.

Totality Posted on 5/9 8:07
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Ridiculous comments by Gibson if that is what he said. If he's taken a shot at a rival radio station as well, I wouldn't be surprised if that's edited out.

toxic_bob Posted on 5/9 8:10
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Crap spin from the club, reminiscent of the McClaren era. Funny how the Boro establishment have always been way out of touch with the real world, way back to the Charlie Amer days. Still, at least we're looking good on the pitch, eh?

green_beret20 Posted on 5/9 8:11
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Not for a second do I believe Bernie was bad enough for our chairman to single him out.

Is it just me or are MFC starting to believe their own bulls**t

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 5/9 8:12
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If that's what he said then he's dropped down to the level of the ra-ra on here.

There's many reasons for people being downbeat Mr.Gibson, and they're much closer to you than a local radio station.

lagerpig Posted on 5/9 8:14
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totally agree with gibson, i have thought the same for a season or two now A lot of shall we say ,stupid boro fans only have to be told something and have it repeated time and time again to believe it, ie slaven continually being negative. He was/is downbeat even when we win. The said stupid fans are usually the ones who think life revolves around that his crass talk in show

teesste Posted on 5/9 8:16
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Archie.. is that all he said on the subject or are you just choosing to use that one line as a stick to beat Gibbo with?

Bob_End Posted on 5/9 8:20
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Absolute drivel, Bernie Slaven is not "always" negative. He just reports on what he observes, which is what he's paid to do.

Moody41 Posted on 5/9 8:20
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"well, it certainly doesn`t help when you have Century Radio and a certain ex Boro player constantly being negative about the club".

"But to put the No1 reason for people being down as being the views of a local Radio presenter is"

Erm, no it doesn't. Nowhere in what you quoted Gibson as saying is he suggesting Slaven is the number 1 reason. You clearly quoted Gibson as saying "It doesn't help". Which is pretty clear in saying Slaven doesn't help the situation not that he's the number 1 cause of it.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 5/9 8:21
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I haven't listened to Century for some time now, same as the majority of Boro fans I would imagine, so for the club chairman to have a go at a presenter for his own failings is out of order.

keelo Posted on 5/9 8:22
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So apart from the Basle and Steau game everyone went home from matches saying "by God we played well today" Slaven was saying excactly what he and the rest of us saw...SHOITE,and if he's paid to report what he see's well he,s only doing his job..as good a commentator that Brownlee is he could go too far trying to bull up crap football...well done Slaven i say!!!

higginz Posted on 5/9 8:25
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the thing is tho, Gibson's right.

keelo Posted on 5/9 8:27
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As a buisnessman he's right...as giving any blane to the wolfman,totally out of order

Bob_End Posted on 5/9 8:27
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Slaven provided an unbiased opinion, unfortunately the club has now got its own pet radio station whose match day commentators have the charisma of a dog bin.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 5/9 8:30
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Gibbo's not right.

Slaven's not on radio to promote the club, he's there to say what he sees. Like keelo says, it hasn't been pretty for some time. The blame lies with the club, they put the show on, if Gibbo's happy with it being dour, along with the other die hards, then fair play to him. But the buck stops with him.

sasboro Posted on 5/9 8:30
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I listened to bernie on sunday, monday and last night and bernie was full of praise of boro and he also said that if they continue to play like that each week the fans will come back. How come no one seems to acknowledge that bernie does say a lot of positive things about the team and club when they play well.

Seems like the club sat down in the summer and between them thought up a list of reasons for falling crowds and slaven is the scapegoat. This explains why keith lamb did an inteview witin a week of gibson doing the forum.

there is no way slaven is the reason why 10,000 fans have stoped going. If that was the case then why isnt brownlee getting fans going to games?

Was there any mention of the problems against northampton or ticket prices coming down. Did gibsoin say how he manages to keep intouch with fans feelings and how intouch does he feel.

parmo69 Posted on 5/9 8:31
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I like Bernie but he doesnt do his homework on the boro , often the other two are telling him whats happening .
Example - if someone comes on complaining abt a problem with the Boro ie Tickets queues at the Carling Cup game he would just say its all the clubs fault rather than give a balanced view by
saying the tickets were on sale for 2 weeks prior
When Ali Brownlee was on the other week he ripped the other two to p'ces . Having said that dont think Bernie can be blamed for
issues at the club he just needs to understand whats going on more ( buying a Gazette before he went on century would help! )

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trewoboro Posted on 5/9 8:31
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So Gibsons right ? The reason season tickets and crowds are down and there is so much apathy in the town is all down to Bernie Slaven ?

TheSmogMonster Posted on 5/9 8:34
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I think one thing thats upset Gibbo is the fact that Bernie trys to paint himself as an insider... which he has done, he's given us the 'scoop' on a number of occassions.

As for Bernie telling it like it is and all that crap. He doesn't, he tells us what he wants to see.

I think Gibbo shouldn't be making this row public, but Bernie himself on his roadshows has been apparently doing the same. So what can we do?

higginz Posted on 5/9 8:35
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Im not saying that no one is allowed to speak their minds, but for a bradcaster who has a contract with the club really shouldnt be influencing bad points and disheartening fans about the team.

toxic_bob Posted on 5/9 8:35
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The obsession of some Boro fans with the century phone-in is beyond me. I never listened to Slaven much, just the occasional commentary, but I never heard him do anything except call a spade a spade. Blaming Slaven for the downbeat atmos or fans staying away is akin to blaming Robin Cook for the balls-up in Iraq.

I'm not sure why the club and the ra-ras feel the need to stifle or shout down any dissenting opinion. Smacks of insecurity to me.

trewoboro Posted on 5/9 8:37
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I know quite a few people who gave up season tickets and it was because they just stopped enjoying it.

teesste Posted on 5/9 8:39
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I want to know what Gibbos full quote was on this matter, I don't believe all he did was lay the blame squarely at Slavens door.

It's easy to take one sentence from a discussion and turn it against someone but lets wait until this evening to hear it in context.

toxic_bob Posted on 5/9 8:41
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Sensible point, Teesste - the comment should be seen in context

Huan_Kerr Posted on 5/9 8:42
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Whoever pays the piper calls the tune.

higginz Posted on 5/9 8:46
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Boro Fans can think for themsleves, thats not my point. all im saying is that you dont seefucking Jeremy Kyle going "Get off my show you fuckingsmack head" do you. Slaven want always that straight forward with his remarks, mind you, his views and apporach were honest which is a good thing, but the fact of the matter is, Slaven is a grumpy man and it gets a little bit annoying after however many seasons.

JimmyMFC1 Posted on 5/9 8:48
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some of the absolute shi173 people talk on here is entertaining :)

Huan_Kerr Posted on 5/9 8:48
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MFC is not a democracy. Tow the line or get shut down.
There is more to it than meets the eye....

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 5/9 8:49
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Slaven doesn't work for MFC. No need to toe any line.

sasboro Posted on 5/9 8:50
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proves the point that boro ditched century rather than century not coming up with the right money and not being committed to boro. Again the club change the truth at the time to make it look like it was down to century they didnt get commentary. why didnt gibson sday at the time that the reason was down to slaven?

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scuzzmonster Posted on 5/9 8:51
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'Changing the badge to a broadly unpopular design, the loss of the white band on the shirts, the delay in getting a new shirt sponsor etc etc etc.'

'Did these things really make you feel unexcited about the new season?'

Well, no, not as such but with the first two issues, it was more that the club seemed to ride roughshod over the wishes of MFC fans. Again.

--- Post edited by scuzzmonster on 5/9 8:52 ---

Piquet Posted on 5/9 8:51
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Century put in a derisory offer for commentary rights, that came from the horses mouth, Slaven.

Huan_Kerr Posted on 5/9 8:52
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Q. Did they get shut down?
A. Yes.

The only thing Slaven has put into the Boro once he left is wind and piss. Compare that to Gibson.

teesste Posted on 5/9 8:53
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But scuzz mate, i like the new shirt and badge as do a lot of other people i know... i also know a lot of people who don't like it.

That's the problem with life, you can't please all of the people all of the time.

captain5 Posted on 5/9 8:54
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Does anyone think that if Sky portrayed the Premier League in a really bad light, that they'd stand a better or worse chance of keeping the coverage (if monetary offers were equal)??

Why should Boro act any differently, considering Century then came back and offered a lot less money??

You don't bite the hand that feeds you.

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Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 5/9 8:57
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Gibbo's clutching at straws. Why didn't he have a go at Slaven last year when he was giving the club stick over dodgy performances, week after week. He couldn't, it was true.

Gibbo needs to have a good look at the club. There's a lot of failings at the moment, hence the crowd dropping to below 23,000 after not too bad a start to the season.

He needs to look at what's going on regarding ticket prices, ticket selling and the rest of the match day experience that people aren't enjoying.

It's head out of the sand time. He's got the means to change things, time for a bit of action and less of the tongue.

sasboro Posted on 5/9 8:58
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but slaven isnt always negative. the last few days he has proved it but people seem to ignore it when he is praising the club.

if only the club would be this proactive with some self criticism.

we have had some poor home defeats over last 3 season so why cant someone say we were rubbish? we get beat by sunderland and villa at home badly so why dress it up when we were shocking. what abut pompey beating us 4-0 at home last season or southampton beating us 3-1 at home a few years ago. the way the club talk now they are admitting that under smac the football was dull and boring which is what slaven was saying at the time

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oikodomophobia Posted on 5/9 8:59
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A good reporter tells it as they see it, sometimes it hurts. but if Gibson and Southgate cant take the criticism then they are in the wrong Business, are they going to Ban the Times and The telegraph from reporting at the ground they never have a good word to say about us and maybe ban Match of the day for constantly putting us on last. The list could be endless i have had whole seasons where i have been negative, even thinking about going shopping with the wife as it was going to be more exciting than watching Robbo's twilight years and Mclarens reign.

I have listened to The BBC Tees commentary once and that was enough it is rubbish, what a pair of potatoes they are. The club have made a big mistake in my book. Brownlee did sometimes bull up the Boro but that was his job it was the old good cop bad cop routine and it worked perfectly. The times Bernie would not give a man of the match award he was exactly right, we were probably walking home from the ground saying that the players should be embarrassed to pick up there wages that week

captain5 Posted on 5/9 9:01
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He was probably forgetting the time when he couldn't be arsed and walked out of Ayresome himself at half time and forced the then manager into an unpopular substitution.

scuzzmonster Posted on 5/9 9:01
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Yeah, teesste, I know. I'm actually getting to like the new badge and shirt myself even if does look a bit of a generic number from a distance.

Nice to see Brum back in their 70s 'penguin' shirt on Saturday too. Immediately recognizable as Birmingham City to those of a certain age, even though one Brum fan I spoke with said his teenage daughter 'hated' it. Like you said, can't please all of the people all of the time. It's more a matter of principle really.

Ickes_disciple Posted on 5/9 9:02
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I've always slated Slaven for the constant moaning he does and I do think that it has a negative impact on the club and season tickets.

However it puts a different slant on it when the club and indeed the chairman say the same things. I think Gibson is wrong in this instance. He could have spoken to Bernie to find out thwe issues he has. He could also have put right some of the many areas that are under his control. It's a cheap shot that I'm surprised by.

Moody41 Posted on 5/9 9:04
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So oikodomophobia giving the fact that Bernie himself has confirmed that Century put in a derisory offer (After all they only have two wavelengths in the north-east and had secured Geordie and Mackem rights) you suggest the club should have accepted both Century and BBC's offers?

What happens in a few years time when the rights come up again. The BBC will likely be fully aware of approximately how much Century paid. Don't you think it would therefore be likely that the BBC would follow suit and put in a derisory offer as well?

Big_Shot Posted on 5/9 9:05
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Even if the original quote is right, I don't really see it as Gibson slagging him off. It reads more like a quip about a broadcaster that they don't work with anymore. People seem to like to get themselves worked up about the littlest of things. Who really cares if the club have fell out with Century and Slaven.

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keelo Posted on 5/9 9:12
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AND i thought they were mates!!!!

speckyget Posted on 5/9 9:13
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Never been able to buy into this 'Bernie just tells it like he sees it', 'speaks the truth' schtick. After years sat in traffic getting away from the game listening to the same old groans, win lose or draw. I reckon over the past few seasons we've seen some decent games, some appalling, and some - hmmm, meh - yet the message from Slaven has always been unchanging. 'Short changed the fans', 'square pegs round holes', 'no tempo', etc etc ad nauseam.

This apparent lack of any objectivity is what drives people to ask whether he has had some other, embittered agenda. That unseemly exit from Boro TV? The frequently dropped hints about the need for a striking coach that went unheeded?

He's been grinding away at that axe for long enough now and the club have just decided to take it off him and smack him with it. Probably not the most dignified reaction, but camels, straws and backs come to mind.

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captain5 Posted on 5/9 9:13
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keelo - No, not at all. I don't know why anyone thinks that.

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kermit_the_smog Posted on 5/9 9:16
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If Boro played badly why should it be glossed over? Why should we try focus on the positives? Sometimes after a defeat all you wanna do is rant and express your disappointment.

Slaven, like many people, probably isn't a good loser. Like myself, I hate losing. After seeing Boro put in a shoddy performance I wanna hear someone telling it how it is and not trying to paper over cracks which is what Brownlee tried to do. I don't think his views of some games are that different to what you'd hear down the pubs across Teesside.

Slaven though, did have an agenda against some players, Rochemback for example. I'd like to hear his opinion of Fabio now. But, I imagine Bernie will hold his hands up and say he was wrong.

But most people generally have a scapegoat at the club who they like to blame.

I don't think Bernie can be blamed for the downbeat atmosphere around town pre season. I know plenty of people who don't listen to century and they were feeling just the same.

You don't lose 10,000 fans because of 1 radio presenter.

I can see and understand Gibbo's view on the matter though.

sasboro Posted on 5/9 9:17
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speckyget, get that chip off your shoulder. have you listened to bernie the last 3 days? he has been full of praise for boro. so this agenda he has is bollox! but i dont expect people who have an axe to grinde agaionst slaven to admit he does praise the club and team

what else did gibson say archie? what was his response to the problems at northampton and the ticket prices in general? what did he say on bringing standing back? any gossip on what he thought of smac, viduka and yakubu?

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mm40 Posted on 5/9 9:18
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I always thought Slaven could ony say it if it was true, perhaps thats what Gibson does not really like. I could never imagine any of the big four clubs chairman blaming a local radio presenter for the atmosphere around the club or winning the premiership. When you play the type of football we did last season I fail to understand why Gibson cannot focus on the real reasons rather than blame Slaven, the football was dire last year and he knows it.

skiprat Posted on 5/9 9:19
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Exactly Big_Shot, I couldn't give two hoots about it.

Gives the usual brigade something else to jump on board though I guess.

keelo Posted on 5/9 9:20
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Slaven though, did have an agenda against some players, Rochemback for example. I'd like to hear his opinion of Fabio now. But, I imagine Bernie will hold his hands up and say he was wrong.



he has.....said he's a different player now..again correct!!

captain5 Posted on 5/9 9:20
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mm40 - You're right. Imagine managers of clubs refusing to speak to certain media organisations because of things they'd said in the past............

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fatharrywhite Posted on 5/9 9:22
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"have you listened to bernie the last 3 days? he has been full of praise for boro. so this agenda he has is bollox"

he's been slagging us off for as long as i can remember but hey, for all of 3 days he's been full of praise for us so he cant possibly have an agenda can he.

Bottomline is, great player for us but a complete and utter tit as a pundit.

To be honest i took a dislike to him years ago when i was foolish enough to buy the 'strikingly different' book. EVERYTHING that ever went wrong in his career was someoneelse's fault.

fatharrywhite Posted on 5/9 9:24
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". I could never imagine any of the big four clubs chairman blaming a local radio presenter for the atmosphere "

if bernie had been the local presenter for Man Utd making similar comments Fergie would have had him out of the door YEARS ago

Micky_Boro Posted on 5/9 9:25
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"but slaven isnt always negative. the last few days he has proved it but people seem to ignore it when he is praising the club."

My opinion is based on years of listening to Slaven. So he's being a possitive now, I wonder why?

speckyget Posted on 5/9 9:26
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"have you listened to bernie the last 3 days?"

I've listened to the grumpy old sod for years. A few plaintive 'well dones' in the last week won't alter my view that he has done nothing but emphasise the downbeat in his 'objective' reporting.

Why would I have a chip on my shoulder btw? I don't even know the guy.

teesste Posted on 5/9 9:28
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fatharry... totally agree re slavens book. if you read that you discover what a horrible little man he is. like you said every problem he has had was someone elses fault and spat his dummy out everytime he didn't get his own way.

sasboro Posted on 5/9 9:30
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"if bernie had been the local presenter for Man Utd making similar comments Fergie would have had him out of the door YEARS ago"

but manutd are at the top of the league and wining lots of trophies so they wouldnt need to kick out a presenter

speckyget, take some time to listen to him this week then the you will see you have miss judged what he says. he does praise the team and players when they play well. too many people form an opinion on hwt he says before he says it so block out the good comments

"My opinion is based on years of listening to Slaven. So he's being a possitive now, I wonder why?"

...errr.. becauae we just played really well against birmignham??

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JimmyMFC1 Posted on 5/9 9:32
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I agree with the visually impared "get" on this one, I remember coming home from a european game that had a very low attendance and basically heard what could only be described as propaganda as it was so far wide of the mark. I wasn't the only one who thought so, I got three "did you just hear that?????" phone calls after it. The last thing you want to hear after a game that was entertaining but had a very low crowd is someone spouting absolute lies on the radio, that a good deal of people base their opinions and future match attendance decisions on.

Piquet Posted on 5/9 9:32
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I stopped listening to the leg ends a few seasons back, when it was patently obvious that Slaven was not taking it seriously, he never did any research and consequently McDonald and Gates made him, boro, and the fans look total fools, all he could do was 'I d'nae' and laugh, totally unprofessional.

mm40 Posted on 5/9 9:33
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I am talking about blaming outside influences rather than looking in house at the real problems as to why we have been playing badly?, that does not include this season. If you listen to other radio stations they pass comments, so why is it any different at boro? Ferguson and Allardyce choose not to talk to the BBC but their chairmans keeps out of the loop.

speckyget Posted on 5/9 9:34
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Hang about sas. Where do you think this view of Slaven came from? Reading about him on here? I've listened to the guy for years after every game. And his view was as predictable as it was - often - inaccurate simply because it didn't reflect what I had just seen.

Are you saying he's suddenly gone through some Epiphany in the past few days? I wonder why.

teesste Posted on 5/9 9:35
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"if bernie had been the local presenter for Man Utd making similar comments Fergie would have had him out of the door YEARS ago"

but manutd are at the top of the league and wining lots of trophies so they wouldnt need to kick out a presenter


But Sas, in relative terms these are some of the most successful times the club has ever seen and the sooner our fans realise that the better.

We will not break into the top 4, the best we can hope for is a push for a UEFA cup spot and a good cup run.

When was the last time we didn't have one of the above?

The problem is you don't know what you've got until it's gone (to quote Alanis Morisette!!)

Ickes_disciple Posted on 5/9 9:36
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I don't think Slaven is negative because he has an agenda against the club. He's a radio bloke who needs ratings and decided the way to get them was to take a controvertial view and point out the negatives to get a rise out of the listening public.

The people listening have steadily started to have the same view as him (either because ones with a differing view have switched off or because some people can't have thoughts of their own).

Listen to talk sport for a while and listen to the drivel spouted by the Jocks happily re-iterated by their loyal following.

The problem with taking a controvertial view point is that after a while it becomes fact. FACT.

fatharrywhite Posted on 5/9 9:38
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sas - you know fine well what i meant so stop being so pedantic.

IF man Utd were in a similar position and IF Bernie had been saying the same things Fergie wouldnt have put up with it and the powers that be would have done something about it long before we did.

Like many have said i think it was just one step too far. If i remember correctly Gibson had a go at Bernie about 3 years ago for being downbeat about us so it's taken a while for him to finally snap

fatharrywhite Posted on 5/9 9:40
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to quote alanis morrisette!? dont you mean joni mitchell!!

Archie_Stanton1 Posted on 5/9 9:42
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Teesste / Moody41 – That was the only reason he gave for his opinion as to why there was an air of despondency before the season. Hopefuuly it`ll be broadcast tonight and you can hear for yourself. I hope they broadcast the whole thing and don`t edit that bit out because it mentions a rival station. I`ve no agenda against Gibson at all, I was just disappointed that he chose to criticise Bernie, a man who always praises Gibson.

Sasboro – There was no mention of ticket prices as i can recall – the question wasn`t asked. He was asked about standing areas, and said that due to security, crowd control etc it was “Very Very Unlikely” that we would see standing areas at the Riverside. He was also asked about shifting away fans so we had home fans behind both goals, and again this was seen unlikely for the same reasons.

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teesste Posted on 5/9 9:43
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ha ha sorry harry!! i'd never heard of him!!!

I expected to be shot down when i wrote that!!


Brick_Tamland Posted on 5/9 9:44
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Time for Gibson to go. He is an embarrassment to the club.

Micky_Boro Posted on 5/9 9:45
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Steve Gibson has always had the best interest of the club at heart. Middlesbrough is a small club, Gibson has got the most out of what he has to work with. There have been a few mistakes, but has he has said himself he has learned from them.

sasboro you said the other day that Gibson is not doing anything to make the club a bigger success than it is (words to that effect anyway). I asked you what you thought he should be doing, you still haven't answered.

JimmyMFC1 Posted on 5/9 9:49
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He hasn't answered because I imagine he is not qualified to do so, as he is probably not a mulit-millionaire succesful business man, he can't be, he spends too much time on here. However, he seems to back up the man who, if it wasn't for Boro, would have been tending to parks in the west central lowlands of Scotland.

TheNortonDog Posted on 5/9 9:54
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The Slaven negativity can't be taken in isolation, Brownlee was always ultre positive. They balanced each other out.

The idea that gates have fallen due to one miserable radio pundit it simply daft!!

For all Gibson and Lamb have done for the club, they have got pricing wrong this season and the attendances reflect that.

JimmyMFC1 Posted on 5/9 9:57
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I don't think the gates are down to him, I think it might have a small affect. I just don't like the man. The gates seemed to drop more around the european seasons, I reckon there are a lot of people who will have spent their season ticket money on european away trips, I reckon that has contributed more

Piquet Posted on 5/9 10:00
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The Slaven negativity can't be taken in isolation, Brownlee was always ultre positive. They balanced each other out.

Brownlee was on once a week, Slaven was on five nights a week.

Big_Shot Posted on 5/9 10:00
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'The idea that gates have fallen due to one miserable radio pundit it simply daft!!'

Aye, thats why nobody has said it has.

LIDDLE_TOWERS Posted on 5/9 10:05
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Gibbson needs to tek his rose tinted spex off

And Lambey needs a good kick up the @RSE

And placed on a public relations course

Oh and give the kids and oap's a fair pricing policy

it ell work wonders with the crowds

how about some cheap tickets for the unemployed again ?

skiprat Posted on 5/9 10:06
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Why should unemployed people get in cheaper than me, because I have the audacity to have got a job?

jam_the_parmo Posted on 5/9 10:07
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Bernie and Gibbo are good mates aren't they? I know they play in the same 5-aside team anyway.

JimmyMFC1 Posted on 5/9 10:07
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Yeah, surely you're being sarcastic there? :)

red_rebel2 Posted on 5/9 10:10
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If Bernie HAS been 'positive' these last three days it will be because having seen the Lambie interview in FMTTM the penny has suddenly dropped as to exactly how vulnerable he is.

He has been on borrowed time for a while now. If Century HAVE lost the rights because of him his bosses won't be best pleased. If the Three Stooges DID try to stitch up Century and leave then he is on very thin ice. If Boro decide to make it a Gibbo v Bernie issue then he is deep in trouble because he has no real power and is not clever enough to fight his corner.

Century will want to get back in next year (especially if Sunderland go down) and if he is the cticking point they will shaft him. There are loads of people who could step into the breech - Higgy, Hendrie etc. Legends has run its course anyway so he is fast reaching his sell by date.

Whether you like him or not is irrelevant. It comes down to politics and personalities and I think Bernie is bitter and confontational while both Lambie and Gibbo are ruthless and a bit vindictive. It is shaping up to be a fight that Bernie can't win and he would be best just shutting up.

green_beret20 Posted on 5/9 10:11
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Actually Big_Shot your right Gibson didn't say as much.

However if thats the first thing Gibson blurts out when asked a question about the poor build up to this season then it certainly suggests that he does hold Bernie partly responsible.

bandito Posted on 5/9 10:13
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Sad state of affairs when an ex pro who gave his all for the club is being blamed for poor attendances! Poor form from Gibson and i expected better. Thats the sort of carp that comes from Lambs mouth usually. Maybe Gibson needs somebody from the outside to give him a few pointers, ie reducing prices which make the game affordable to kids.

holgateoldskool Posted on 5/9 10:13
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It appears to me that in these days of blame culture that Bernie ia a convenient target. If Bernie is the club's biggest problem- in their eyes - they are deluded and not prepared to face up to the obvious.

What the club should look at is - do they listen to their fans ? Do the club project themselves as a truely progressive and ambitious club ? Do they not realise that gaffes by Lamb do not enhance their profile with the fans ? Do fans feel let down by the lack of progress made since Eindhoven?Do they appreciate the value a good PR department could achieve? Have they done enough to retain/increase the fan base?

No there is plenty to address within the confines of the club without looking for a scapegoat to all their ills.Afterall, Bernie largely expresses views on what he has seen.

However, with Gareth in charge we could start to get things back on track.

Captain_Moonlight Posted on 5/9 10:14
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slavens lack of footballing knowledge made sure 20000 fans thought rocky was shi.t

now thats propaganda

fatharrywhite Posted on 5/9 10:15
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gave his all for the club!? you mean like refusing to play on the left wing and storming off at half time when he was subbed?

great goal scorer but his attitude stunk back then and it stinks now.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 5/9 10:16
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I think Bernie's recent positive outlook is because the team deserve it. How long since that's been the case?

JimmyMFC1 Posted on 5/9 10:18
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Bandito, read the thread man! It has already been said that noone is blaming him for attendances, its the negativity he propagates, especially when people are not there to see it themselves, i.e low attendance games.

Piquet Posted on 5/9 10:19
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"Bernie largely expresses views on what he has seen"


That is what I have the biggest problem with, I have come away from games where we have played crap, where we have played OK, and where we have been very good(not very often), but Bernie offers the same viewpoint for every game, which is not often the same game I have seen.

aliasme Posted on 5/9 10:19
re: Now Steve Gibson Is Slagging Bernie Off

I stopped renewing my season ticket in MacClarens final season for a number of reasons the main ones being;

a. The football was crap (unless it was a cup game which my season ticket didn't cover anyway) and;

b. The ticket was too expensive.

Did Bernie Slaven influence my decision? No. I'm a grown man ffs, I can make my own independent decisions. I wonder whether the fan that ran onto the pitch and threw his season ticket at Smac whilst other fans stood and applauded him was also a Slaven devotee or do you think he just got sick of watching that brand of football?

Anyway, what did Gibson do after this incident? He gave Smac a brand new 5 year contract. In touch with the fans, Steve Gibson? You're having a laugh.

sasboro Posted on 5/9 10:19
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"If Bernie HAS been 'positive' these last three days it will be because having seen the Lambie interview in FMTTM the penny has suddenly dropped as to exactly how vulnerable he is. "

I disgree, after keith lamb having a go you would think it would make him bitter and hold a grudge agaisn the club and start slagging the club off including lamb personally. Now that century doesnt have commentary or any ties to mfc. he could be really lay into the club if he wanted to as it has no influence on keeping inline with mfc.

I just wish the people who are quick to slag off slaven actually started listening to phone ins and take note of what slaven is saying now. A lot of people who claim to have not listened to slaven and centrury for a while are quick to form an opinion. perhgaps listen to him then judge what he says rather than going on what he said after a poor performance a while back or what dave said in the pub last night

already crowds have dropped further this season without slaven there to give his opinion. So are they going to ditch bbc tees next?

Club need to look at the causes of the drop in crowds and not concentrating on the symptons. They shoul dbe looking at themeselve more closely than blaming century,slaven and pubs showing games on foreign tv

Andy_Lad Posted on 5/9 10:21
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Agree with Cap Moonlight, was going to bring up the Rocky example. Brownlee didnt balance anything out either, his mindless optimism was pretty much ignored by most people, it was like an act no-one took him seriously. But if Bernie said something then they thought that was a serious well thought opinion from an ex-pro. It wasnt just Bernie, the post match callers were just as bad, people who hadn't even been to the game phoning up to say how bad we'd been!!???

Big_Shot Posted on 5/9 10:21
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I guess he just thinks that having someone on the radio every night throughout the summer being fairly negative about the club played a part in the downbeat atmosphere prior to the start of the season. Its fair enough I suppose as a lot of people do seem to hang of Slavens every word.

However I just don't why people would get bothered it either way though. Boro fans always complain about how negative the national media are about us, and if that was aimed at them they'd all be saying well done Gibbo.

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bandito Posted on 5/9 10:23
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you have to feel more sorry for the people that believe what bernie says than bernie himself. Fancy going off someone elses opinion without being bothered to go yourself

JimmyMFC1 Posted on 5/9 10:26
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I fully agree Bandito, you would be suprised how many people do though! I hear people quoting him a lot.

bandito Posted on 5/9 10:27
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so do I.

RAYMOND_HDD Posted on 5/9 10:28
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Small time "remarks and quotes" are coming far too often from people at Middlesbrough FC these days.

trodbitch Posted on 5/9 10:30
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Nevertheless, someone who isn't going and hears it is shoite is less likely to go. Their ticket money is as good as anyone's.

bandito Posted on 5/9 10:31
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Bernie should show his arse to gibbo and lambie in the centre circle before the sunlan game. See how long it is before the stewards chuck him out

Big_Shot Posted on 5/9 10:31
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Absolutely bandi. I know a bloke who whenever I'd be talking about the Boro with, would go on about what either Bernie or some caller of the Legends had said recently, until I told him if I cared about what they had to say I'd listen. I don't really speak much football with this guy anymore.

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Piquet Posted on 5/9 10:32
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"Bernie should show his arse to gibbo and lambie in the centre circle before the sunlan game. See how long it is before the stewards chuck him out"

He'd still be offside

boroboy75 Posted on 5/9 10:34
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Whatever next? Will Gibson and Lamb blame Slaven for Viduka not signing a new contract? Will they blame Slaven for their failure to appoint a a 'top-drawer' manager?
Quite pathetic that the boss man and his lap dog have stooped to this level.

sasboro Posted on 5/9 10:35
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so lets get this right, 10,000 fans used to go to games went home then listen to slaven on the phonein and take more note of what slaven said rather than what they saw with their own eyes at the match. SO on that basis decided to jack it in? Or the blokes watching it in the pub take more notice from slaven rather than what they saw themselves

The_Lizards_Jumpers Posted on 5/9 10:36
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"Sad state of affairs when an ex pro who gave his all for the club is being blamed for poor attendances"

I know he's your mate and all Bandy, and his goals were very valuable to us and for that we must thank him. However to claim he "gave his all for the club" is a little shortsighted.

If Rochenback had stormed out of a match at half time and walked his dogs then Slaven would crucify him !

Big_Shot Posted on 5/9 10:36
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surely you mean lets gets this wrong, sas

Red_Clowne Posted on 5/9 10:38
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"I disgree, after keith lamb having a go you would think it would make him bitter and hold a grudge agaisn the club and start slagging the club off including lamb personally. Now that century doesnt have commentary or any ties to mfc. he could be really lay into the club if he wanted to as it has no influence on keeping inline with mfc."

I'm more than sure that the management at Century will have told the poisonous pict to lay off. I seem to remember Team Talk (or whatever they were called) became persona non grata a few years ago. Century will want to keep in with the Boro and will have told Bernie so.


Micky_Boro Posted on 5/9 10:39
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"so lets get this right, 10,000 fans used to go to games went home then listen to slaven on the phonein and take more note of what slaven said rather than what they saw with their own eyes at the match. SO on that basis decided to jack it in? Or the blokes watching it in the pub take more notice from slaven rather than what they saw themselves"

No, I don't know where you got that idea from.

trodbitch Posted on 5/9 10:40
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If you say so, sas.

I think that the people who don't go at all are influenced by what they hear. If that's the opinion of an ill-informed fool with an agenda, then I'm hardly surprised the club stuck the knife in.

TMG501 Posted on 5/9 10:44
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boroboy75, maybe if we all have a little patience, we will find that Gibbo has appointed a top drawer manager.
Just a thought

skiprat Posted on 5/9 10:44
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I don't think anyone thinks that 10,000 fans are turned off by what Bernie says Sas, but even if a few hundred are, then that's still some of the potential customer base.

It's all a bit petty but I don't see why people are getting so worked up about it, Slaven has said his own bits to people in public and Gibson is doing the same.

sasboro Posted on 5/9 10:45
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so why told the 10,000 fans to stop going then?

who is slaven supposed to be persuading to not go to games. last few nights seems he is encouraging fans to go. wonder if thats because we played very well agaisnt birmingham?

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 5/9 10:47
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The drop in gates are because the fella at the top hasn't been keeping his eye on the ball. The audience was there, hooked and enjoying it. Even relegation and the loss of Juninho, Ravanelli and Emerson didn't hit the attendance. The expansion of the ground let more in and the figures topped what we'd had previously.

Gibbo took over and things were exciting. You've got to keep that excitement going, not with spin, it doesn't work. The last couple of seasons have given us a 'Lennie Lawrence' feeling, reflected in the crowd figures. We've been hanging on.

For lots of people, in every ground across the country, football is about entertainment, putting on a show, away from work and a bit of escapism. Once that goes, when it becomes hard work to go to the ground, people start to drift.

I'm one of those that went. I came back, as usual, for the start of the season and overall I've liked what I've seen. I've seen three games and one very good performance. There's been a bit of excitement and it's refleted in the atmosphere.

Don't forget, in Robbo's first season Ayresome was rarely full. It feels to me as if we're back there again, starting afresh, the big names gone and replaced by teamwork and effort.

The next step is what happened in our first couple of seasons at the Riverside. Some imagination to capture the area again. Can Gibbo do it?

bandito Posted on 5/9 10:47
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Lizards, I spoke to him last night and was winding him up about rocky and I was saying I told you he was brazilian and not from barnsley and he said calm down bandy, ring me when he has 20 games like that. So only 18 to go!

The_Lizards_Jumpers Posted on 5/9 10:50
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I hope you make sure he eats humble pie when he continues to put in performances like that for the rest of the season.

Surely it's 3 - Newcastle, Northampton and Birmingham.

17 to go.....

captain5 Posted on 5/9 10:52
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Is there only sas in the whole world who is suggesting that 10,000 people have stopped going because of Bernie or am I as wide of the mark as he is??

Micky_Boro Posted on 5/9 10:53
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It's all PR and it has an effect. It's hard to say if you bought a can of coke or bootle of beer because you've seen it on an advert. But if adverts didn't work would big businesses spend so much money on advertising.

I'm not saying Slaven is the reason for poor attendances, I'm saying he adds to the air of negativity, so can not help the situation.

My personal opinion is that people are not getting value for money, the ticket prices are too expensive for our fan base.

fatharrywhite Posted on 5/9 10:53
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it's actually about 6 or 7 if you include the arse end of last season

trodbitch Posted on 5/9 10:53
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"so why told the 10,000 fans to stop going then?

who is slaven supposed to be persuading to not go to games. last few nights seems he is encouraging fans to go. wonder if thats because we played very well agaisnt birmingham?"

Sas, from the original post:

"One of the first questions from the audience was why was there such a downbeat atmosphere around the town in advance of the new season."

Doesn't say "why aren't people going and who is at fault" so stop banging on about how the club are supposed to be blaming Bernie exclusively for their attendance problems as its Archie_Stanton's post that said that, not Gibson.

boroboy75 Posted on 5/9 10:54
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To be fair, not many players who haven't produced for a couple of years get as long as Rochemback to finally 'come good'

skiprat Posted on 5/9 10:55
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Seems like him and not you to me.

captain5 Posted on 5/9 10:56
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Fair play to bb75 for praising the management for showing such patience.

UgoAfro Posted on 5/9 10:59
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I have no problem with Bernie saying we were rubbish when we have been. My problem is he looks at running the football club as a simple thing to do and gives them stick accordingly. It's easy to say "The club should have tied down Viduka earlier" or "we should sign so-and-so" but these things are complicated. Even motivating multimillionaire footballers to run about for 90 min is not that easy if they don't buy in to what you're trying to achieve (see Yakubu).

I agree with Piquet though and my main gripe is his lack of knowledge and research. I listened to the show before the Newcastle game and it consisted of Geordie fans slagging off our team followed by Boro fans slagging off our club (one even suggested it was club policy to buy injured players!). Slaven makes no attempt to defend the club from even the most ridiculous of slurs and these things can quickly become FACT in many peoples eyes. If he did some research or had even a basic knowledge of what's happening he would be able to distinguish between what is justified critiscism and what is just people with agendas against the club and chips on their shoulders because Keith Lamb once looked at them funny in the Black Bull.

Camsell_345 Posted on 5/9 11:00
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Well doen Gibbo, Slaven has been riding the boro gravy train for too long and his simon cowell like approach to punditry as others have said he has been a complete embarrassment on geordie centric radio, his lack of knowledge of even basic points (apart from quoting the local rag) has at times been staggering.

My biggest bug bear with him is how he always implies that we have no money and this i think angered Gibbo the most as despite spending in excess of 20 mil this summer slaven still harped on about I wonder if we have the money.

So well done gibbo let bernie follow his team "celtic" and leave us to follow ours, have you ever heard John Hendrie on radio a million miles better than slav knowledgable realistic and very articulate.

sasboro Posted on 5/9 11:01
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to be fair to slaven, rocky has been very poor just as much as he has been very good. We have been here before where he plays well..but he has to sustain it.

I notice that he signed a 3 year deal with an option of another 2 years and so hoepfully he is looking to prove he is worth an extension

Patrick_Batemen Posted on 5/9 11:02
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Who are these people that are so easily persuaded that their opinions are formed on the back of what a local pundit says? Surely if that were true, Middlesbrough could pay him to use his apparent brilliant hypnotic skills to commandeer his sheep to buy season tickets, pay Bernie £150k a year, everyone’s a winner...

or just perhaps they're looking for a scapegoat for the dour football that has been on display, their poor administration (see ticket office, club shop etc) their useless market machine and their total incompetence at not stopping boro games to be played live in half the pubs in boro, all of us know which pubs show the shame, so do the club.

Gibson should blame Lamb not Slaven, Lambs found a scapegoat for his own failings. In any other industry, he'd be sacked for the drop in business; I am not saying he should be but to blame Slaven just because he is negative by nature for all of boro’s failings is nonsensical.

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skiprat Posted on 5/9 11:03
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Probably the same people who wait until we've bought a "spectacular" player before buying season ticket PB.

Camsell_345 Posted on 5/9 11:06
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as i said the moaning about certain players did not bother gibbo as he could care less but the way he broadcasts that we are in financial distress and have not spent big has angered gibbo. How many times has slaven come out with but have we got the money I dinae think so.

joseph99 Posted on 5/9 11:09
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This arrogance from the club is incredible. Surely if the viewing figuers of Century are/were so good and influential in dictating attendances handing over a brown bag of dosh to Bernie to use spin to bring the fans back would have been a good strategy.

Cheap shot from Gibbo, which is equally an insult to the fans.

Camsell_345 Posted on 5/9 11:11
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So a bitter ex player is allowed to stick the club 24/7 and when it finally after years of biting it's lip responds to dispell and counter what he has said they are out of order why not look upon it as the club.

telling it how it is and being a realist

Turner_86 Posted on 5/9 11:14
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Why are people defending Bernie, I bet you've all called him a whinging tvvat in the past, you all know he is.

There's no doubt in my mind that Bernie has contributed to casting a bad atmosphere over the club in recent seasons with his constant moaning. He had a duty to back the club and be positive about it in the same way Ali did, but Bernie decided he'd play off Ali and be the bad guy.

Maybe Gibson is being a bit harsh, but he's not wrong.

TheSmogMonster Posted on 5/9 11:17
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"Who are these people that are so easily persuaded that their opinions are formed on the back of what a local pundit says?"

Considering a Gorilla playing drums to Phil Collins is making a fuss, I dont think its too much of a stretch to say he can effect peoples choices. Theres bigger problems though that effect attendences.

The myth of Lamb being ineffective really grinds on me, take a step back and look at what the guy HAS achieved for the club.

Hey just remember that we don't have the money to buy Woodgate.

Bandito you're a mate of his, why doesn't he stick up for Boro to MacDonald when MacDonalds talking rubbish? As for Rocky, its like people have said, since he came back into the team last season he's been a great player for us.

Patrick_Batemen Posted on 5/9 11:17
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"He had a duty to back the club and be positive about it"


No he didn't he had a duty to make a good show and increase the listening figures, the century commentary was vastly superior to the inanely dull radio tees offering.
Bernie did his job, he may be a moaner, but he didn't influence me, I stopped going because it was crap, the people who listen to the radio are not in the ground anyway, they're affected by what happens on the pitch and it has been crap.

Turner_86 Posted on 5/9 11:19
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He did have a duty in my opinion, anyone so called fan of the club, who regularly speaks publicly shouldn't be casting a downer on the club week in week out as he has done.

What good did he think he was doing exactly? Particularly when most of it was bull. If we had genuine problems like Leeds and we were in the mire, then fine, but he moans for the hell of it, a bit like a lot of our fans really.

bandito Posted on 5/9 11:20
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SmogMonster: He doesnt need to stick up for Boro when Macdonald is wittering on cos the whole Of Teesside know what a muppet he is anyway.

Piquet Posted on 5/9 11:23
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"Teesside know what a muppet he is anyway."

If he's a muppet, what did that make Bernie?

oikodomophobia Posted on 5/9 11:24
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Moody 41

So oikodomophobia giving the fact that Bernie himself has confirmed that Century put in a derisory offer (After all they only have two wavelengths in the north-east and had secured Geordie and Mackem rights) you suggest the club should have accepted both Century and BBC's offers?

What happens in a few years time when the rights come up again. The BBC will likely be fully aware of approximately how much Century paid. Don't you think it would therefore be likely that the BBC would follow suit and put in a derisory offer as well?

where did that come from! if you have a reporter that can make a dull match sound interesting that is going to wet the appetite, but a reporter that sounds like paint drying and makes the match a very long 90 minutes give your head a shake. i never mentioned money, MFC shoule have kicked the BBC in to touch, they are crap it is a crap radio station for grandma's and grand fathers to find out where the local coffee morning is. I dont know many if any people that have there radio's even tuned into it

bandito Posted on 5/9 11:27
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Piquet: sometimes it's best not to get invloved with one so clueless. I cant really say too much about his "relationship" with Macdonald

TheSmogMonster Posted on 5/9 11:27
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bandito , not quite sure on that he has 'gone along' with it a few times in the past, nevermind just keeping stum.

I think its fair to say alot of the listeners dont have access to forums such as this to get proper info together and make thier own minds up.

I fairly sure Bernie does though, so how does he get basic facts wrong about the club?

Piquet Posted on 5/9 11:28
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I know Bandy, they are literally 'miles apart'.

Camsell_345 Posted on 5/9 11:28
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Well I have seen it all now is this for real Boro fans backing an embittered ex pro over the man who almost singlehandedly put his personal fortune into saving the club, jesus what are some of you lot on.

Do you not wonder why a man famous for shunning the media glare has took the unprecedented step of publically hitting out at slaven, i think the fact that he has had to stoop this low shows how much of a problem he has been to the club.

As for Bernie or Gibbo?

If you have to even wonder then you really do need help.

zaphod Posted on 5/9 11:29
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I don't believe it was an off-the-cuff remark by Gibson. I'm sure it was a well thought out signal that Slaven is now persona non grata at the club. I'm sure the message has been received.

BTW I think Spurs have banned the Evening Standard fron WHL, so we're not unique. Sir Alex also boycotted some reporters for a bit.

radiogaga Posted on 5/9 11:29
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No one I know has ever said Bernie Slaven talked them into giving up their season ticket.

oikodomophobia Posted on 5/9 11:31
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i am not taking sides, i think the Ali and Bernie combination where a good listen, I think sometimes you need somone on the outside to point out your faults and to remove your blindfold.

TMG501 Posted on 5/9 11:32
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I agree with Camsell, well said mate

Patrick_Batemen Posted on 5/9 11:33
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Turner lets get this clear, he was employed by century radio, his only duty of care and contract was/is with them, our opinions on how he should have behaved are neither here nor there, he was not obliged to promote the club to say he was is naïve.

Smogmonster, of course it is Lamb’s responsibility, he handles the day to day running, he is responsible for the clubs success on and especially off the field, assuming that Southgate answers to him. For a company to blame a third party for their own failings shows a lack of control of their own business, it is a good job were not a PLC because such revelations which lead to a vote of no confidence and share prices plummeting.

There’s some very naïve and idealistic comments on this thread. The clubs looking for a scapegoat, and Bernie fits the bill, I stopped going because it was rubbish, I found that out at the riverside not by listening to the radio.

Now they're winning me back because of what they're doing on the pitch. I still listen to Slaven and he still hasn't influenced me at all.

--- Post edited by Patrick_Batemen on 5/9 11:35 ---

bandito Posted on 5/9 11:36
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The fact that lamb came out a week later after to apologise about his "not comcerned about dwindling attendaces" comments suggests to me he doesnt know what he's talking about in the first place.

First sign of panic.

Micky_Boro Posted on 5/9 11:37
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Patrick_Batemen, Lamb is finally doing his job, ridding the airwaves of Bernie's negative attitude. If someone was doing that to your business and you were in effect paying them to do it, would you pull the plug?

kermit_the_smog Posted on 5/9 11:40
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How many of us on here can say they didn't rant and moan under McClaren?! Someone even threw their season ticket!

Bernie was fed up, like the majority of Teesside, of seeing what we've seen over the last 6 years.

Big difference between him and us is he's had the platform to make his views more public, the rest of us have just said very similar things on here and to our mates.

He's had to comment on things there and then and try give his honest opinion, it's easy to get caught up in it all, especially when you have someone like Brownlee alongside you saying actually, getting beat by Villa 4-0 at home isn't all that bad.

Turner_86 Posted on 5/9 11:44
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It might not have influenced you, but his constant negativity has helped cast a cloud over the last few years, they weren't perfect years, but there were plenty of positives which got overshadowed.

IMO, he probably has influenced peoples decisions, if I was a football fan who had never been to a game, but listened to all of the commentary on Century, he wouldn't exactly have had me dashing to the ground to get a ticket.

You obviously dissagree, but regardless of what his job description was, he had a duty as a formaer Middlesbrough player and fan, to help spread a feel good factor, just as Ali did.

Patrick_Batemen Posted on 5/9 11:47
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I'd have a list of priorities micky, firstly I would look at inside forces and issues regarding the administration that I could change.

Then I would look at outside forces, always look from inside out.

I have heard many people say it is too expensive, that the football is rubbish, the transport links are terrible, the ticket office are a sham, I can’t recall anybody saying I didn’t get a ticket because Bernie said it was rubbish.


Do you really think I was sat in the pub watching the blues games because of Bernie?

I'd have no problem with their comments; if they said...we have failed because we didn't do abc...and also Bernie Slave help create a cloud of negativity, whereas they just blame all their failings on him.

Like I said, if he has so little control of his business, he should be out.

Bernie’s still on air 5 days a week, boro cannot control that, so they better start running their business better.

Sales have fallen by 30% terrible by anybody standards, their sales department should be shot, whoever is responsible for monitoring local pubs should be shot and maybe Slaven should get a dead leg for his minor influence.


Mr. Lamb, I have met you a couple of times, you’re a very nice chap, but you’re responsible for the club so if it fails you’re failing, just like any business.

Camsell_345 Posted on 5/9 11:48
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I will say it again i doubt the moaning about bad games bothered the club but the fact he constantly said we have no money do we have the money ad nausium i think was the thing that really irked gibbo and co.

and after buying woody for 7 mil GON for 5 mido for 6 etc i can see why.

Geord Fm caller: So bernie why don't we buy x and Y player

Slav: aye but de we have the money

Alcy malc: yes bernies do you have that sort of cash

slav: i don't think so malcolm

caller: why don't we have the money bernie

slav: i dunno


Next day and x and Y both sign for 4 mil each......

neilteesside Posted on 5/9 11:48
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i agree turner, slaven is a miserable moaning twit as is kevin gallagher who commented occassionally for bbc.........as an ex barcode he was supposed to know all about N/E football and spent half the games talking about other things and reminising about fook all!

i dont like either of em.........ide sooner invite keano to tea than be seen with slaven. he was an average player in a poor team.

red_rebel2 Posted on 5/9 11:50
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The fact that the club feel that Bernie can single-handedly cast a cloud of negativity is a spectacular indictment of their own pss poor PR operation.

aliasme Posted on 5/9 11:51
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I too have met Keith Lamb.

I found him dismissive and arrogant.

Other than that Patrick_Bateman, I agreed with everything you stated.

aliasme Posted on 5/9 11:54
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Camsell (and others)

We don't have any money - why is Slaven wrong to highlight this fact? We might have spent x amount of money but take a look at what we have received ...

Southgate himself has said in his most recent interview that it's all about balancing the books.

Turner_86 Posted on 5/9 11:54
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An ex Boro player speaking on the only exclusive match commentary and 5 days a week on a two hour phone in, is in a very strong position to express there opinion, it would be quite easy to contribute to a negative feeling around the club if you were in Bernies position.

The club didn't say he has done it single handedly, but he has contributed to it.

Patrick_Batemen Posted on 5/9 11:55
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RR hits the nail on the head, and amazingly in less words than I did, he must be busy!

Camsell_345 Posted on 5/9 11:56
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See this is my point if we don't have any money what did we give real madrid for woody, chelsea for huth, spurs for mido? 7+6+6

that is 19 million on 3 players! so tell me again about us not having any money

all bought while the yak was still here.

Turner_86 Posted on 5/9 11:56
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aliasme, the club have said time and time and time again, if the players are there that will improve the team, and we can attract them ,the money will be made available.

The reason we haven't gone daft recently is because we've learnt from mistakes and we want to allow the young players to get a chance.

I'd rather take notice of the club than Bernie tbh.

Micky_Boro Posted on 5/9 11:56
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Fair points Patrick_Bateman. Perhaps the club are looking at the situation now, stable doors and all that. Up to now they've done pretty well in taking Middlesbrough Football Club forward. I still believe in the set up there and am willing to give them more time. I suppose I'm one of the fans that are easy to please, the Boro is part of my life.

Looking at the club over the past twenty years the trend is still up. These are hard times and hopefully the club will make the right changes. Already on the pitch things are looking up. We have a long season ahead of us though and a lot can change.

I do think following the Boro is very expensive and I understand that it's a big ask for people to fork out that kind of money, even if the club are doing well.

My opinion on Bernie is that he has always been negative, I've never much warmed to him on the Radio. As a player he was sometimes great to watch and a big part of the Boro at the time he played.

sasboro Posted on 5/9 11:57
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Camsell_345, have you listened to bernie since the birmingham game?

Purple_Hazer Posted on 5/9 11:57
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"Gibson and Southgate were the guests for people to ask questions to. One of the first questions from the audience was why was there such a downbeat atmosphere around the town in advance of the new season.

Straight off Gibson said "well, it certainly doesn`t help when you have Century Radio and a certain ex Boro player constantly being negative about the club"


When asked about the negative atmosphere around the town he answered with the above, which is true.

Where has all the stuff about attendances being affected by Bernie come from? He has been negative so in the words of Gibbo "it doesn't help"

Is it just me or have people added to the debate with made statements?

Before the season started Bernie WAS still moaning, moaning about players leaving, what we have coming in etc.... saying he thinks we're going to struggle etc...

He's been positive SINCE the season started - but that wasn't the question posed was it??? The question was about the negative atmos PRIOR to the season.

20_Briggsy Posted on 5/9 11:58
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I dont like kicking a man while he's down but Gibbo is spot on about Slaven. I said it for a number of seasons now, Slaven has a negative effect on the club. His constant whinging and moaning didnt paint an attractive picture to the avid radio listener. So the chances of getting that fan from his arm chair into the stadium was rapidly reduced and this had a knock on effect.

bandito Posted on 5/9 11:58
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where is this "cloud of negativity" that Turner speaks of. Can it be detected by the met office?

Turner_86 Posted on 5/9 11:59
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Spot on Briggsy.

holgateoldskool Posted on 5/9 12:00
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I am sure that every true Boro fan is eternally grateful to Steve Gibson, the job he has done in rescuing the club and taking it on to a level that could never be imagined. The real issue is the club have stuttered along for a while, lost touch with the fans and what does appear to be coming out loud and clear is they haven't a real plan to attract fans back.

Gibbo is not stupid - however his lack of involvement as the public figurehead of the club is a mistake.I believe the local populas would take more notice of him than other senior personnel at the club.

Bottom line is action not words need to be implemented - not sure the expertise is there to deliver...............

Huan_Kerr Posted on 5/9 12:01
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The board back at its best.
Every argument considered by lots of people with strong opinions without childish bitching.

Can anyone confirm if Lamb/Gibson/Slaven visit this board?

Turner_86 Posted on 5/9 12:01
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bandi, before this season, booing at the games was a regular thing, have you not noticed the empty seats? Have you not read all of the negative posts on thos board about people refusing to go to games? They are even turning on Gibson himself now, theres a big black cloud of negativity hovering over the club, and there shouldn't be.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 5/9 12:04
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What about the 10,000 who could actually see what was happening on the pitch and now don't go?

Maybe Slaven saw the same game as they did? It's been poor for a long time and Slaven called the tune correctly. He's also given credit when due, you boys seem to forget about that.

Is it Slaven's fault that despite fewer people going to the match, you have to go earlier to get in on time?

Is it Slaven's fault that the club charge too much for kids?

Is it Slaven's fault that the football's been poor?

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 5/9 12:05
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Turner, you're right about the black cloud, but looking at the wrong place for the reason. That lies within the club and only they can put it right.

Gillandi Posted on 5/9 12:06
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"Camsell_345, have you listened to bernie since the birmingham game?"

Sasboro - So Bernies changed...thank god, but it's too little too late. I agree though, if Boro had played like they did against Birmingham for the last 5 years there wouldn't be a problem but here is a guy who whinged thoughout the clubs most successful period.


It's like Dr Harold Shipman pleading his innocence in court on the grounds that he hadn't murdered a patient for a few weeks.




Well said Gibbo/Lamb.

The football and atmosphere has been great at home so far this season. WE can all try moving on together now...without commercial radio.


--- Post edited by Gillandi on 5/9 12:11 ---

bandito Posted on 5/9 12:06
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Corcaigh, you're talking sense.

Turner, thats what bernie has been pointing out - all of what you have just said. I wish Gibson had realised quicker

Camsell_345 Posted on 5/9 12:07
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@ Gillandi

Hey Gill just think of all the great players we could buy if only we had the money...

Turner_86 Posted on 5/9 12:08
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They are trying, hence the new style of football, re-branding, better team spirit etc.

But they are fighting against a lot of negative people which makes it difficult. Turning us into a European side again, would be far easier if the fans would back the club and turn up for games and stop moaning.

We sign players, they are written of before they play (by Bernie aswell), we re-brand, the logo was designed by a school kid, errea are crap etc etc.

Some people fail to see the good, and Bernie is one of them.

Camsell_345 Posted on 5/9 12:09
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Steady now turner some good points but Errea are crap mind

radiogaga Posted on 5/9 12:11
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This is an interesting read, note that Middlesbrough fans were the leaders of those saying they would spend less on football.

Lamb and Gibson were prepared to go on Bernie's show on the Legends not so long ago to appease the fans.

Absolutely silly to blame Bernie as most fans have similar views to his. Also it is his job to be Vallium to Ali's crackpot high on the games.

Link: Virgin money article

Bukowski_MFC Posted on 5/9 12:11
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and the re-branding WAS an ill-contrived complete fck up i.e. introducing a poorly designed new badge and dropping the popular white band.

--- Post edited by Bukowski_MFC on 5/9 12:13 ---

aliasme Posted on 5/9 12:13
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I'm not going to criticise Gibson too much but the Messiah status he enjoys as being the saviour of our club is a little over done to say the least. Equal credit at least should also go to ICI, Henry Mosckovitz (sp), Scottish and Newcastle and others.

The problem for me is that Gibson puts too much faith in those around him and appears to delegate responsibility to people who are frankly not up to the task.

In the Ayresome Park years I'm sure the likes of Dave Allen, Keith Lamb and co would have faired OK but these days, when Premiership football is a multi million pound business with all it's different facets the people who Gibson delegates too just simply ain't up to the job.

As a Premiership football club we should be able to organise a sponsor, have shirts available for sale before the season starts, have a turnstile system that works, be able to actually sell tickets to the public when they turn up for a match in good time etc etc etc.

It's nuts and bolts stuff but time and again all you hear from the club is the same sorry excuses and an abject lack of responsibility.

Now apparently Bernie is also culpable for having a negative attitude. You couldn't make it up, you really couldn't.

If Keith Lamb wants to point the finger of blame he should start by taking a look at the club itself.

Patrick_Batemen Posted on 5/9 12:14
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Amazing how one very good performance against the blues and the whole feel changed, like I said do the talking on the pitch.

bandito Posted on 5/9 12:15
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best post of the thread aliasme

Turner_86 Posted on 5/9 12:16
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It probably didn't go according to plan, but there were reasons for that, with the delay in getting the sponsor.

In the poll's that I have seen, the majority of people like the new badge, it's not poorly designed, the initial image we were shown on here was, but the final image that is now on all the merchandice is spot on.

But what gets me most is, the amount of people who were ready to jump on the club and slate them for it all, was it really a disaster that the shirts were out late? No, but people made a massive deal about it to hammer the club, as always.

The_Lizards_Jumpers Posted on 5/9 12:17
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Where has all this "the club has lost touch with the fans" lark come from ?

As far as I'm concerned I'm in the same position as I was 3, 6 or 20 years ago - I'm a season ticket holder at the club for which I pay some money and for that I get admission to the ground.

I fail to see what more I could want from the club.

trodbitch Posted on 5/9 12:17
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He didn't blame Bernie for the fall in attendance. They said "certainly doesn't help" when trying to create and upbeat atmosphere around the club. Having said that though, the "what more can we do" quote says a lot.

I'm not going to stick up for the boro PR 'machine' but Bernie has 10+ hours per week to have his say. If boro started pumping out PR to counter-act that, we'd all be moaning about the club putting 'spin' out.

Sadly though, this will become the new "club we deserve" (sic) or "spectacular signing" quote that will be twisted to death over the coming months. Coming soon to a message board near you "is xyz_boro_problem Bernie's fault as well?"

All in all though, as much as I tend to agree with their viewpoint, I have to wonder why the FOOK they decided this HAD to be said, I don't know what it is supposed to achieve!!!

--- Post edited by trodbitch on 5/9 12:19 ---

MFC_2004 Posted on 5/9 12:20
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"Was there any mention of the problems against northampton or ticket prices coming down. Did gibsoin say how he manages to keep intouch with fans feelings and how intouch does he feel"

FFS - There was no Northampton ticket fiasco.

People knew the game was on, if people can't be bothered to order tickets in advance, then they get the consequences of long queue's and risk missing kick off.

Could buy online, on phone or go down before, if you leave it till last minute, its your own fault.

20_Briggsy Posted on 5/9 12:20
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I dont think it was said Bernie is at fault for everything because that isnt true, how could it be. But his constant griping at the club didnt help to promote an attractive picture for the average fan who picks and chooses his games. And since we all know Bernie knows what he's talking about, it must be true??

Turner_86 Posted on 5/9 12:22
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Briggsy, as always, just like the 'where are the spectacular signings we were PROMISED (?)' bull****

Gibson says something, and the fans twist it around to something else and chuck it right back at him.

br14 Posted on 5/9 12:25
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No apologist for Slaven but frankly the approach the club have taken is crazy.

Unless they're trying to gain attention and divide opinion they should have kept quiet.

I may not agree with Slavens opinions but he's entitled to express them as is the club.

The difference is the clubs opinions have far more impact than anything Bernie Slaven may say.

Slaven has not changed his tune. He's always wanted attacking football and whinged constantly during the McClaren era because thats not how we played.

He expressed the views of many fans (not me I might add) when Viduka was allowed to leave. As for Yakubu I'm not sure the club could have done anything about that either way.

Not a great advert for the club really. We're attracting negative attention about apathetic fans and then club management looks like they're blaming everyone but themselves.

Of course the media is going to spin this. If the nationals find it interesting enough Lamb will be made to look completely inept.

Patrick_Batemen Posted on 5/9 12:25
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Briggsy, you reckon Smac will get the sack soon?

kermit_the_smog Posted on 5/9 12:28
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"His constant whinging and moaning didnt paint an attractive picture to the avid radio listener"

That's hardly Bernies fault? Some of the performances on the pitch have been awful, the only saving grace is that we've scraped some wins. Gareths even said he wants to bring back entertaining football so even he knows that the football has been awful for years.

Bernie aint gonna oh this is magic football, when clearly it wasnt.

Like watching England now, abysmal!

Camsell_345 Posted on 5/9 12:29
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the clock is ticking

MarlonD Posted on 5/9 12:34
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Switched off Century years ago but because of McDonald not Slaven.

Reading this thread their seems to be a lot of conflicting views on the effect of Slaven's negativity on the Riverside crowd.

The question I would like answered is this - Instead of sly digs via certain media outlets, why don't they all sit down and thrash out any niggling problems they have at the moment. I'm not saying curb Slaven's right to "free speech" but maybe get him involved in some capacity in pushing the profile of the club.

sasboro Posted on 5/9 12:36
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briggsy, have you been listening to slaven this week?

shame smac is getting founbd out. do you stil rate him as a manager? is he better than southgate though?

MFC_2004, see thats the attitude the club has which is wrong. they arnt in a position to p1sh off fans with crowds falling

--- Post edited by sasboro on 5/9 12:38 ---

20_Briggsy Posted on 5/9 12:37
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I hope not but if we fail to win both our next two games the pressure will be mounting. It’s a very demanding job, he knew that when he took over. He left one demanding job for an even more demanding job and for a manager with little managerial experience that has to be commended. But as the saying goes 'if your good enough your old enough' and I believe McClaren is the man to take us to the euro championships and have a very successful campaign. Bottom line is, if we don’t qualify he'll be out the back door.

Turner_86 Posted on 5/9 12:39
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Good point that Marlon, however Gibson tends to be stubborn with this sort of thing, same goes for agents and players, cross him once and you've had it.

20_Briggsy Posted on 5/9 12:40
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I dont listen to the show sas.

As for do I still rate McClaren as a manager the answer is yes, what has changed? His Middlesbrough record speaks for itself. If Southgate can equal that record I'll be the happiest man in Boro. I'm really optimistic with Southgate at the helm, I admire his style of football and the approach he has. I think were on the way to something special here.

Patrick_Batemen Posted on 5/9 12:43
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boro should just clone 30,000 briggy's our fans would always be happy!

Camsell_345 Posted on 5/9 12:43
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same old briggsy wake up man he is clueless even gareth has all but said it, as he relies on others opinion and yes men that are equally clueless at present he is prob the most unpopular eng manager we have ever had.

as for

He left one demanding job

are you serious gibbo was a pussy cat as most other chairman would have sacked him many times for the games we had to watch.

Watch how a real manager in Gus Hiddink does v the ginger muppet.

j_orourke Posted on 5/9 12:45
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Couldn't give a toss either way, Century Radio or Slaven but I will say this...

Without Gibson there would be no Boro to watch, discuss or comment on, but I am sure some the whinging tvvats around these parts would have moved on to something else to bleat about by now!

Besides never trust a man who doesn't drink!

sasboro Posted on 5/9 12:48
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"I dont listen to the show sas."

so how can you form an opinion on slaven if you dont listen anymoe?

heaton_mersey_boro Posted on 5/9 12:48
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aliasme post at 12:13 is pretty much spot on.

Bernie may not have helped Boro's cause, but to partly blame him for the Riverside gates decreasing.......come on

During McClarens era we witnessed some of the most boring football imaginable, with the Carling Cup and UEFA Cup chucked in. It was'nt all bad, but generally the standard of football was largely very poor and un-entertaining.

McClaren goes, we are promised a top class manager.......and we appoint Southgate. Hmmmmmm.

And not only that, Southgate is'nt initially given the funds of his predecessors so we are once more in "transition" and we have to make do with McClarens old team, with a couple of new faces.

Remarkably, Southgate has turned the club around, pointed us in the right direction, and suddenly the future looks good.

So, on the pitch, thinks are looking promising. However, behind the scenes.......

The "business" side of MFC it has to be said is very, very shoddy. I'm sure most points have been covered, but fans all have there own gripes to do with MFC (rightly or wrongly) whether it be matchday experience, clubshop, ticket office etc. And what does the club do? Nowt. Nothing.

Does it listen to its fans? No. So what happens is a steady stream of fans drift off, feeling alienated from the club they love. They don't have an affiliation with the club, the club they supported throughout their lifetimes, through the dark days of 1986, relegations, cup final defeats etc.

And these fans help to create this black mood hanging over the club, simply because THEIR club does'nt really give a f_ck about them (harsh but true). As long as MFC think everything is rosy, and cannot understand the empty seats and utterly pap matchday experience things are sadly going to get a lot worse before they get better. How quickly? That's up to the club to sort out.

20_Briggsy Posted on 5/9 12:49
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Is it me or doesnt something add up here. Steve McClaren is the clubs most succesful manager yet he is clueless, the numbers just dont add up. I dont want to get into this debate again but the facts speak for themselves.

skiprat Posted on 5/9 12:49
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"As a Premiership football club we should be able to organise a sponsor, have shirts available for sale before the season starts, have a turnstile system that works, be able to actually sell tickets to the public when they turn up for a match in good time etc etc etc."

This is the problem the club is dealing with.

I can just as well look on all of these as...

Sponsor was organised in time for the new season and was the biggest offer we've EVER had.

Shirts WERE out on the day of the season, before the season started. The only problem I can see now is that the Garmin sponsors may be shoddy, because the club knew the fans wouldn't have the patience to wait a few weeks until they could STITCH them in, instead of ironing them on.

The turnstile system works fine imo, has every time I've gone through but it's the people using it that are the problem at the moment, but with change people need to adapt. The queues are already getting smaller, took me 90 seconds to get in on Saturday.

The last one I suppose I can agree with parts of it, although fans had 2 weeks to get Northampton tickets and chose to go and queue on the day, this was no different when we had usual matchday tickets.

20_Briggsy Posted on 5/9 12:53
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Sas i listened to the 3 leg ends and Slavens away game commentaries for years, so I think thats enough to guage a good opinion on him. I could switch off for a month and listen again and it would be the same negative tone, it like he's on repeat.

I havnt listened to the 3 leg ends for sometime. But surprise me with some of his comments?

Patrick_Batemen Posted on 5/9 12:53
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In defence to Briggsy, at least he went on the radio and spoke to Slaven, unlike most who snipe on here.


Briggsy strikes, me as a really nice, quiet lad, who is however easily pleased, rubbish at football though;)

Turner_86 Posted on 5/9 12:55
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McClaren get's results, but he does it in the most boring negative dodgiest depressing way ever.

That's why I think England will qualify, they'll do it by the skin of their teeth, they won't play well, but they just make it.

It says it all that a man who did such great things for us can be so disliked, he's a good coach, but as a man, and a manager, the s**t that came out of his mouth, treating fans like turnips, he's a buffoon..

toshino Posted on 5/9 12:55
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So apart from the Basle and Steau game everyone went home from matches saying "by God we played well today" Slaven was saying excactly what he and the rest of us saw...SHOITE

keelo, that season saw us draw 3-3 with Spurs, beat Bolton 4-3 Fulham 3-2, Geordies 1-0 and the small matter of beating the top 3 teams - Aresenal 2-1 MAN UTD 4-1 and Chelski ! (THE CHAMPIONS 3-0).

This proves to me that some so called Boro fans like you will never,ever be happy and depressingly are the millstone that drags this club down and impairs it's prospects.

You sir and Slaven talk, in your parlance - SHOITE!

Patrick_Batemen Posted on 5/9 12:57
re: Now Steve Gibson Is Slagging Bernie Off

*pictures briggsy throwing his McClaren alarm clock at turner's head*

toshino Posted on 5/9 13:02
re: Now Steve Gibson Is Slagging Bernie Off

As much as i`m a fan of Gibson, i think this line being taken by the chairman (and chief executive in FMTTM) is extremely narrow minded and short sighted.

Archie, I think your assessment on the above is spot on. It is no paradox though to suggest that in his comment on Slaven(the cheats champion)he is also spot on.

sasboro Posted on 5/9 13:03
re: Now Steve Gibson Is Slagging Bernie Off

briggsy even gibbo and lamb had digs at smac once he left

Camsell_345 Posted on 5/9 13:06
re: Now Steve Gibson Is Slagging Bernie Off

sas i thought finally briggsy may now realise what mac was but no he is still besotted with him.

THE ENTIRE COUNTRY HATES him and we all know why*




*Smac not briggsy

boroboy75 Posted on 5/9 13:06
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"boro should just clone 30,000 briggy's our fans would always be happy!" said Patrick Bateman.


Only if they were given free tickets.

fatharrywhite Posted on 5/9 13:07
re: Now Steve Gibson Is Slagging Bernie Off

"briggsy even gibbo and lamb had digs at smac once he left"

must have been a different gibbo on 5 live defending him to the hilt at all the media slagging him off after an England defeat last season then.

20_Briggsy Posted on 5/9 13:14
re: Now Steve Gibson Is Slagging Bernie Off

Its ok fatharrywhite, sas likes to bring up false statements to back up his comments. Sas i think youl find Steve Gibson holds McClaren in very high regard and appreciates what he done for his club in his 5 year tenure.

Boro_Gadgie Posted on 5/9 13:14
re: Now Steve Gibson Is Slagging Bernie Off

I'm surprised at Gibbo. He must really be upset with his old mate Bernie as he rarely gets embroiled in any sort of public slanging match.

Bernie does make a living on the back of MFC through his employment with Century. As he's not employed by the club, he's entitled to his opinion. Then again, the club are entitled to stick up for themselves. I don't think his opinion is always negative, but he could be more positive. For instance, during the summer, on the phone in, when asked about how we'd do, he said we'd struggle. Surely, this could have helped put off those undecided on whether to renew.

As I said, he's entitled to his opinion, but maybe he should consider the consequences. Maybe Gibbo overestimates Bernie's influence, or maybe there's a large section of Boro fans that are more stupid than we all thought, as to believe everything that Bernie says.

He's been criticised by others on the phone in of sitting on the fence, while those at the club say he's being over-critical. If you ask Bernie, he'll just say he's speaking his mind. I'm sure he's getting it right somewhere along the line, but as Lamb said in FMTTM, he's criticising without ownership. It's all very well for him, but he doesn't have to make financial decisions like whether to meet Viduka's demands for a new deal.

So yes Bernie, speak your mind, but don't criticise the club for making decisions in the best interests of MFC. Remember you don't have to make these decisions but others do and remember, you don't have the inside track.

Gillandi Posted on 5/9 13:14
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"I'm not going to criticise Gibson too much but the Messiah status he enjoys as being the saviour of our club is a little over done to say the least. Equal credit at least should also go to ICI, Henry Mosckovitz (sp), Scottish and Newcastle and others."

These are the ones who werent in a position to support Gibson's plans for expansion so were moved aside. The 30,000 all seater Riverside Stadium seemed over ambitious for most of us fans at the time. I thought we'd never fill a ground that size on a regular basis.

"The problem for me is that Gibson puts too much faith in those around him and appears to delegate responsibility to people who are frankly not up to the task."

An names please because Robbo, McClaren and Southgate all seem to have done their job fairly well on the pitch and we're in our tenth consecutive Premiership season so there cant be anything funamentally wrong with the administration.

"In the Ayresome Park years I'm sure the likes of Dave Allen, Keith Lamb and co would have faired OK but these days, when Premiership football is a multi million pound business with all it's different facets the people who Gibson delegates too just simply ain't up to the job."

See above - they clearly are up to the job, hence our unprecendented success in the last 10 years.

"As a Premiership football club we should be able to organise a sponsor,"

We did.

"have shirts available for sale before the season starts,"

We usually do.

"have a turnstile system that works,"

Ive had no problems yet but I know theres been some teething troubles with a new system the club feels will be more convenient for us users.

"be able to actually sell tickets to the public when they turn up for a match in good time etc etc etc."

Ive not had any problem's this season picking my tickets up from the satelite office. I missed the first few minutes of the Newcastle game by not getting to the ground early enough. With 15 mins to k/o I was in a queue that thought might take an hour to get down...it took 15 minutes. I thought the queue at the turnstiles might take another 10 minutes, with the old system but I was in within 3.

I personally find all these things fairly trivial issues anyway that you'll find repeated at all other clubs from time to time. Take a straw poll of random football fans of 20 different clubs and I'd guess 17 or 18 would be unhappy with some aspect of their clubs aministration.

The big test is can they run a successful premiership club..ours can. End ov.

"If Keith Lamb wants to point the finger of blame he should start by taking a look at the club itself."

He's looked at the club itself and he's seen that theres such huge interest in it locally that 60 pubs in Teesside are showing our games every week.

Work has already started to woo the Turk-SAt crowd back to matches. It's been going on at Hurworth since July.




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joseph99 Posted on 5/9 13:15
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Would Gibbo be so willing to criticise Sky if they decided to speak negatively about MFC? Why doesn't he have a pop at Sky for employing Merson?

sasboro Posted on 5/9 13:17
re: Now Steve Gibson Is Slagging Bernie Off

sticking up for bernie here so when has bernie ever come out had had a go in public at lamb or gibson? he has always backed gibson as the king of teesside.

Patrick_Batemen Posted on 5/9 13:22
re: Now Steve Gibson Is Slagging Bernie Off

boroboy, Free working girls and mobile phone insurance should be included in the season ticket price.

I assume that username was banned?

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fatharrywhite Posted on 5/9 13:26
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"so when has bernie ever come out had had a go in public at lamb or gibson?"

depends what you mean by public. on the 'new' board someone posted this:

"You can't blame the club. Bernie has spent the last month in an increasingly open whinge about being stitched up and done it in the most unprofessional way and has been spilling his guts in a very poisonous way at these little roadshow evenings. He is becoming increasingly openly hostile to the club. I think he thinks he is untouchable"

to be honest, i'm none the wiser about these 'roadshow evenings' so dont know if it's true or not

Boro_Gadgie Posted on 5/9 13:28
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I don't think there's that much wrong at MFC at the moment. We're heading in the right direction, judging by Saturday's performance and the signings Gareth has made. I just think the club should look at themselves first and foremost. Yes, Bernie can come across as overly negative, but I don't think he's that bad. He just needs to think about what he's saying at times. It's just frustrating that we get a lot of negative callers on the phone in and he agrees with them or feeds them, Macdonald and Pigswill the ammunition they need to criticise Boro.

SoyDelBoro Posted on 5/9 13:28
re: Now Steve Gibson Is Slagging Bernie Off

Are the fans being censored? Are the club telling us what we can hear...now that seems wrong....

Bernie was honest and I'd rather hear a match how it was rather than some rubbish that the club normally claim...back to McClaren and his favourite word 'magnificant' when everyone could see it was crandp

aliasme Posted on 5/9 13:30
re: Now Steve Gibson Is Slagging Bernie Off

"These are the ones who weren't in a position to support Gibson's plans for expansion so were moved aside. The 30,000 all seater Riverside Stadium seemed over ambitious for most of us fans at the time. I thought we'd never fill a ground that size on a regular basis."

We don't any more do we. Anyway, the point was about the rescuing of the club not the subsequent events. You have misconstrued the point.

"An names please because Robbo, McClaren and Southgate all seem to have done their job fairly well on the pitch and we're in our tenth consecutive Premiership season so there cant be anything funamentally wrong with the administration."

OK, how about Lamb, Fordy, Allen and the other minions who run the ticket office etc. You appear to be confusing the playing staff with the non playing staff. To say that because we are playing in the premiership means that the administration of the club is fine is simply bizarre.

As for the sponsor this should have been in place long before the season started in order to be able to produce the football shirts which would in turn have maximised revenue for the club and produced a 'feel good' factor around the town as everyone walked around with their fancy new shirts on that never snag (hmmm...)

This would no doubt have helped counterbalance any negativity coming from Mr Slaven.

The turnstile operations should have been systems tested before the start of the season, fans should not have been used as guinea pigs.

You also state that you've had no problems with picking tickets up from the ticket office, yet concede that you missed the start of the Newcastle match. Why do you have to turn up 30 minutes before the game to guarantee you don't miss the start of the game? It's a lousy bloody system if the casual fan, sitting in the pub can't think to himself, you know I think I'll pop along today without having to have had it preplanned since the end of the last home game.

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guyr Posted on 5/9 13:30
re: Now Steve Gibson Is Slagging Bernie Off

MFC2004
Did lamb not say well we will have the turn up on the day fans come in, pay more money so better for the club,
Nothampton was a farce, I tried the ticket hotline, hopefully to activate my ticket, guy messes everything up, puts me in a different part of ground to where we agreed, overcharges me, then says tickets to be picked up! (I have seen the queu's previously, to which i then have to pay a handling fee, great then I have to go to the ground to sort it out prior to the game as now how rubbish it is on the night.
I was surprised at the attendance actually 11K was higher than we have had previously for 1st round game.

I actually started this season full off hope as thought we would become a much pacier team, yes still want another striker, righ mid but we are getting there.

bandito Posted on 5/9 13:31
re: Now Steve Gibson Is Slagging Bernie Off

Remember when the southern hacks were being derogatory to Teesside when Juninho signed and Rava, well, I remember gibbo coming out and saying stuff like they can write what they want, blah, blah, blah, so why be so bothered now?

fatharrywhite Posted on 5/9 13:33
re: Now Steve Gibson Is Slagging Bernie Off

"The turnstile operations should have been systems tested before the start of the season, fans should not have been used as guinea pigs."

it was tested before the season, it was done the first week that season tickets were sent out. could argue the friendly against alkmaar was also used as well.

bandito Posted on 5/9 13:35
re: Now Steve Gibson Is Slagging Bernie Off

it was chaos against Alkmaar and it was STILL chaos against blackburn

fatharrywhite Posted on 5/9 13:38
re: Now Steve Gibson Is Slagging Bernie Off

i'll give you the alkmaar game given they didnt work :-) but not had the slightest problem at any of the league games

Turner_86 Posted on 5/9 13:41
re: Now Steve Gibson Is Slagging Bernie Off

I've not had a single problem with the turnstiles, in fact I've found them to be quicker.

Obviously some of the turnstiles have seen problems, but is this really the clubs fault. Other clubs that use the same technology have had similar problems, it's not MFC's fault that these things tend to have hiccups when they get up and running.

gravy_boat Posted on 5/9 13:42
re: Now Steve Gibson Is Slagging Bernie Off

Slaven's negative attitude is a symptom of living on Teesside for too long.

Just look at all the whining fookers on this thread.

BOO HOO, we haven't got a sponser yet (who gives a fook?) BOO HOO, I have to queue for a ticket (buy it earlier, you numpty), BOO HOO, the tickets are too expensive (whilst moaning that we haven't spent enough money).

I tell you what, people have short memories. Just over 22 years ago I went to my first match, and we got beat 3-1 by Grimsby in front of about 4000. The following summer we went into liquidation.

During the last 10 years,, we've hardly been out the top flight, we've won a trophy, and had successful European campaigns.

Yet, apparently Gibson, Lamb, Allen, Fordy, Mclaren and every other fooker involved in the club during this unprecedented period of success are fooking clueless, 'cos someone couldn't get their replica shirt in time to go to Benidorm.

I don't think Gibson is soley blaming Slaven for the fans staying away. I think he's probably just totally and utterly pissed off with his small minded griping, at a time when we've never had it so good.

holgateoldskool Posted on 5/9 13:44
re: Now Steve Gibson Is Slagging Bernie Off

Why are the club concerned about comments ? Perhaps they have hit a nerve............................

aliasme Posted on 5/9 13:47
re: Now Steve Gibson Is Slagging Bernie Off

And gravy_boat, your attitude is symptomatic of the clubs attitude to the casual supporter who sees things within the club that they don't like and decide to stay away.

Instead of recognising that there are competing interests for their time on a Saturday afternoon, and trying to win them back it's easier to call them whingers and whiners and blame it all on Slaven and his followers (not that he has any).

gravy_boat Posted on 5/9 13:49
re: Now Steve Gibson Is Slagging Bernie Off

But my point is, what is there NOT to like?

MarlonD Posted on 5/9 13:50
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"Remember when the southern hacks were being derogatory to Teesside when Juninho signed and Rava, well, I remember gibbo coming out and saying stuff like they can write what they want, blah, blah, blah, so why be so bothered now?"

bandito - the problem with that staement is that the people of Teesside knew that it was basically a bunch of Southerners who probably hadn't been anywhere else in Teesside apart from the Riverside. At the time the Teesside people basically took on a siege mentality, which exists to this day, and stuck two fingers up collectively to the rest of the country. The problem with people hearing Slaven being negative is that although he is a sweaty, he is senn as a Teessider for all intents and purposes.

Therefore a lot of people will view Slaven as one of us hence the wounded animal reactions.

Camsell_345 Posted on 5/9 13:53
re: Now Steve Gibson Is Slagging Bernie Off

Marlon that is not quite true as the first Evening Standard article was by Michael Herd who was born in or near sunderland.

Turner_86 Posted on 5/9 13:54
re: Now Steve Gibson Is Slagging Bernie Off

aliasme, what a load of bull, the stay away fans expect everything to be perfect, they think we should be competing with the top four playing great football all of the time.

It doesn't work like that ffs. The fans who go are just as dissapointed when things go wrong, but we go and support the team, knowing that a club of our size can't get everything right all of the time.

Some peoples expectations are ridiculous. People make mistajkes, clubs make mistakes, you don't just throw the towel in and say I've had enough.

sasboro Posted on 5/9 13:55
re: Now Steve Gibson Is Slagging Bernie Off

but over the last few season we have had some shocking results and performances in the league. So why lie and dress it up as we were good? our league form in recent seasons hasnt been that good. we have lost quite a few games at home to poor teams such as sunderland,southampton,villa,pompey,charlton,notts county. There might be a case to answer if we hardly lost at home or were high up the league. last season we werent completely safe from teh drop until 3 games to go

aliasme Posted on 5/9 13:59
re: Now Steve Gibson Is Slagging Bernie Off

gravy_boat - you're confusing the playing with the non playing staff.

We've had a great 10 years of cup football but the league has been dull and uninspired but that's not really the point.

If a fan wants to buy a shirt but can't because they haven't been produced yet because we have been unable to secure a sponser in time then why should the clubs commercial department be immune to criticism because we won a cup a few years back?

If fans walked home from the Northampton ticket queue because the ticket office couldn't process them fast enough than why shouldn't the ticket office come in for criticism just because we then won the match?

It's simple really, the fans we've lost in the main aren't season ticket holders but casual fans. To get the casual fans back all the club need to do is:

a. make it affordable
b. make it easy to buy and collect a ticket
c. make it easy to get to and from the ground

There you go. Simple. But instead of concentrating on this you have the Chief Executive criticizing a bloke on the radio for some 'negative' comments. It's an absolute nonsense and whether we continue to do well on the pitch or not is completely irrelevant to the argument.

Turner_86 Posted on 5/9 14:00
re: Now Steve Gibson Is Slagging Bernie Off

Nobody is dressing it up. But some fans have more realistic expectations and don't expect the club to be fighting in the top half year after year.

We'll go through transitional periods, hopefully now we are turning the corner and ready to move up the table again.

Only the top clubs with the big money that can attract class players all of the time can maintain success.

MarlonD Posted on 5/9 14:00
re: Now Steve Gibson Is Slagging Bernie Off

Camsell - Fair enough, bloody Northerners.

TMG501 Posted on 5/9 14:03
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"Why do you have to turn up 30 minutes before the game to guarantee you don't miss the start of the game?"

FFS aliasme, do you want us all to wait for you while you grace us with your presence?

Camsell_345 Posted on 5/9 14:04
re: Now Steve Gibson Is Slagging Bernie Off

I agree what you said but that is why that particular article was so bad as it was written out of of spite and bile, the coal stained beaches of redcar for instance.

Turner_86 Posted on 5/9 14:06
re: Now Steve Gibson Is Slagging Bernie Off

Do you turn up to the cinema 5 minutes before a film starts?

Does it ruin your day if you get there a bit early and have a pint at the ground instead of in the pub?

This is the kind of rubbish that people are talking about, knitpicking at every pointless little thing ffs.

It's a football ground, with thousands of people in it, you have to expect the odd queue here and there you know.

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gravy_boat Posted on 5/9 14:09
re: Now Steve Gibson Is Slagging Bernie Off

But sas, that is exactly what Turner is saying. Of course we have rubbish home results sometime, of course we struggle some seasons, but what do people expect?

The 10000 fans that are staying away at the moment, stay away because they EXPECT us to be pushing top 6 every season, and playing exciting, flowing football. And when we don't, they complain that its too expensive.

There is a plethora of clubs in our position within the Premier League who aren't/haven't been happy over the last few seasons - Villa/Spuds/Man City/Blackburn/Sunderland/Newcastle. Not to mention those that have failed to keep their Premiership status - Birmingham/Charlton/Southampton/Leeds.

ALL clubs - inlcuding some of the top 4 - struggle to get the results and perfomances they want, and fans aren't happy.

If the stay away fans think that we should be doing brilliantly every season, then they are living in a fantasy world.

Sometimes when the club gets the appointment of a manger right, then they punch above their weight - Bolton/us during some of Mclarens era/Blackburn this season.

Hopefully Southgate is getting it right, and we can be included in that bunch again. But its never going to happen all the time, because we're simply not a big enough club.

fatharrywhite Posted on 5/9 14:09
re: Now Steve Gibson Is Slagging Bernie Off

"c. make it easy to get to and from the ground"

jesus H, i know the riverside isnt exactly in the greatest of locations but you make it sound like it's a 10 mile hike over hills and dales!!!!

My dad parks in North Ormesby, we have a 10 mins(ish) walk over the bridge to the ground. it's hardly difficult!!!!!

MarlonD Posted on 5/9 14:10
re: Now Steve Gibson Is Slagging Bernie Off

Camsell - So basically a SMB with an agenda.

Piquet Posted on 5/9 14:14
re: Now Steve Gibson Is Slagging Bernie Off

"I don't think Gibson is soley blaming Slaven for the fans staying away"


He's not at all, why so many people on these threads think he is beyond me, he is blaming him and other ex players for the "air of negativity during the Summer"

gravy_boat Posted on 5/9 14:19
re: Now Steve Gibson Is Slagging Bernie Off

No its not irrelavant aliasme.

The point is that EVERY club has these problems, we just don't hear about them. They are small, minor issues.

Are you seriously telling me that you think its reasonable for a fan to choose not to go games, because they have to queue for a ticket? I've never heard anything so ridiculous in all my life.

The fact is we probably now have a hardcore of 18-20k fans. Of all the other potentials, they, IMO, choose not to go because of the perfomances on the pitch. They may say they don't go because its too expensive, but if we were top of the league they would be there. And IMO, their expectations of performances of the pitch are totally unrealistic, because they are johnny-come-latelys, who think we have a divine right to be playing champagne football every week.

jason040270 Posted on 5/9 14:19
re: Now Steve Gibson Is Slagging Bernie Off

Every Season Ticket Holder has done there bit for the club. nothing more should be expected from them other than to turn up at the ground and be entertained.

when i buy a pint of milk i dont expect it to leave a sour taste in my mouth, but being a season ticket can sometimes do that. Middlesbrough have been so unpredictable the last few years, fantastic against Manchester United and Chelsea, then on the other hand being one of the only teams to give Sunderland points the season before last, constantly being berated by so called weaker teams.

Attendances will go back up when season ticket holders go back to work on a monday moring with nothing but praise and people want to come and see what is happening.

There is nothing better than going to watch the Boro at the Riverside. Watching it in the pub is just a poor relation.

there are no rules that say you have to buy

A Programme
A replica Shirt
Food or drinks
any club merchandise

That is your choice and your choice alone. the same as buying a season ticket, you cant force people to buy tickets

but you can try and influence them

COME ON BORO!

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trodbitch Posted on 5/9 14:21
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If I have to be at the ground an hour before, I cannot go - simple as that. Especially on a weeknight.

Fans who had to queue for over an hour are not at fault, the club are completely and utterly and fans aren't at fault for one second. The club asks the fans to take their seats 30 mins before the game, so you'd have to turn up 2 hours before FFS. The reason they ask for you to take your seat early is to avoid crowd control problems which they are arguably helping to cause. If pissing off your paying regulars by keeping them standing around and then having to make a dash into the stadium 20 minutes after kick-off is something we are supposed to accept, then people are going to stop going to the matches.

And if anyone wants to say to them "fine, you won't be missed", have a look around, you'll find they are.

--- Post edited by trodbitch on 5/9 14:28 ---

BoroMod Posted on 5/9 14:26
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Maybe i'm a bit too sensible here, please correct me if i'm wrong but.....

"well, it certainly doesn`t help when you have Century Radio and a certain ex Boro player constantly being negative about the club".

If you read the properly instead of just jumping the gun, you'll see that Gibson is saying the Bernie doesn't help matters, he's certainly not blaming him for everything. It always amazes me how people can judge a person on one sentence, it doesn't matter to them what was said in the rest of the interview or whether or not it was taken out of context.

Anyway, "it certainly doesn't help" is a lot different to 'i blame Bernie Slaven'.

jason040270 Posted on 5/9 14:26
re: Now Steve Gibson Is Slagging Bernie Off

Stewards and Police treating football fans like retards and second class citizens, also cant help

gravy_boat Posted on 5/9 14:34
re: Now Steve Gibson Is Slagging Bernie Off

But its only happened on a few occasions this season, whilst the new ticketing system beds in. It's not like its been evey week for the last 10 years, is it?

Some people are going to be pissed off with it, and make a stance, and not go.

But the point we're debating is whether the clubs poor handling of certain areas of the club is the reason why there are so many empty seats. I cannot except for one second that we have thousands of empty seats because people have had to queue for a unreasonable amount of time for a couple of games.

The reason people don't come, is because they perceive, rightly or wrongly, that we are not doing it on the pitch. IMO, these people have unrealistic expectations, and although I don't for a moment think Slaven is soley responsible for peoples opinions, I do believe he has a significant influence on arm chair fans, who value his opinion, which again, in my opinion, incorporates his own unrealistic expectations.

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trodbitch Posted on 5/9 14:38
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"But its only happened on a few occasions this season"

We've only had a few home games too.

No, I'm not suggesting this is the sole cause of fans staying away but like Bernie's affect on fans (which I agree with you BTW) it is "not helping".

sasboro Posted on 5/9 14:38
re: Now Steve Gibson Is Slagging Bernie Off

"I do believe he has a significant influence on arm chair fans, who value his opinion, which again, in my opinion, incorporates his own unrealistic expectations."

ever thought that brownlee may persuade fans to go to games but when they get to the game they feel let down as expectations arent what was perceived by brownlee

gravy_boat Posted on 5/9 14:46
re: Now Steve Gibson Is Slagging Bernie Off

No I don't sas, because despite Ali being a thoroughly likeable (sp?) chap, he's always been regarded as a bit of a clown. A little bit pantomime, if you will.

Whereas armchair fans value Bernies opinion. He has been their link to what goes on, on the pitch for the last 10 years. I honestly don't think you can underestimate his influence.

And no, I don't think we get 23k just because of him. I think we do because the casual fan has no concept of how difficult it is to be regularly successful. I just think Bernie suffers from the same lack of reality.

Turner_86 Posted on 5/9 14:48
re: Now Steve Gibson Is Slagging Bernie Off

Absolutely bang on that last sentence gravy, bang on.

sasboro Posted on 5/9 14:49
re: Now Steve Gibson Is Slagging Bernie Off

what about the fans watching games in pubs? they can see for themselves how well we are playing. if we play well they might go as they see we are playing well if we play bad they may stay in teh pub. they wont listen to a phone in (probably still int he pub then)

Turner_86 Posted on 5/9 14:53
re: Now Steve Gibson Is Slagging Bernie Off

Fans who would rather sit in the pub than go to the game, are just bad supporters full stop, they'll only come running back when we're in a cup final or challenging for Europe.

That is why they are in the pub after all isn't it? Because we've had a couple of average seasons.

Part timers.

cargofleet Posted on 5/9 14:53
re: Now Steve Gibson Is Slagging Bernie Off

people who dont go to the match , can not understand how annoying slaven can be . several times over the years i have gone in to work on a monday, after a boro match which i happened to think was a decent match ,only to be told , that was crap or mclaren got it wrong or they were rubbish . when asked to explain i was told ,well thats what bernie said . perfect example , the lazio match . full house , won 2-0 ,great atmosphere err no slaven says thems rubbish , thems like coventry reserves . and i am afraid more people beleived him rarther than me .

skiprat Posted on 5/9 15:02
re: Now Steve Gibson Is Slagging Bernie Off

Bernie doesn't bother me too much, apart from that he doesn't seem to be knowledgable about anything on a daily basis about us which I think he should be, if he's going to be on a daily talk show but that is a very good example of his "view" of things.

When we win well against someone like Lazio, or even Birmingham at the weekend I'd be sure he gives it "Oh it was only Birmingham" as if we have some sort of divine right to hammer these teams 4-0 every week.

Camsell_345 Posted on 5/9 15:06
re: Now Steve Gibson Is Slagging Bernie Off

Great post Cargofleet yes his infamous european pub team rants as bernies logic if we can beat em then they can't be that good.

Did he really that about Lazio?

Turner_86 Posted on 5/9 15:07
re: Now Steve Gibson Is Slagging Bernie Off

He did, I remember it, he's done it a few times.

sasboro Posted on 5/9 15:08
re: Now Steve Gibson Is Slagging Bernie Off

all these opinions on slaven from people who dont even listen to century anymore

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 5/9 15:12
re: Now Steve Gibson Is Slagging Bernie Off

Instead of making assumptions about why we packed in just ask us.

I packed in because I found the football of a poor quality on too many occassions. The odd decent game had replaced a few poor games a season. That was my perception, and I would imagine that of the majority of others. Each time I came back, with a few exceptions, this was confirmed.

I've been watching since the 60's, never expected us to win anything and I've watched the majority of my football in the lower divisions I would imagine. As 'boring, boring Boro' we played more exciting football than we have for the last few years.

Add to that the turn off effect of Boro's marketing policies and it adds up to a low turn out. We don't need lies and spin, we can judge for ourselves.

I'm all for change, it makes the world go round, but please, change for the better, not for the worse. So many club management decisions of late have been appalling. Changes to suit the club with the knock on of making it harder to get in to the ground, either through poor ticket pricing or poor ticket distribution decisions.

Lamb says there's nothing more they can do. When the men in charge of the business run out of ideas then the writing's on the wall.

Turner_86 Posted on 5/9 15:16
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So you've been watching since the 60's, is this really the worst football we've played in over 40 years? I don't believe that for one second.

captain5 Posted on 5/9 15:18
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sas - you were at Arsenal away last season, weren't you??

That was a fantastic game; Woodgate was superb, Henry never got a kick, we were down to 10 men and they only got back in due to a soft penalty.

My mate rang me afterwards to say that Bernie had said that we were lucky to get anything from the game and that we'd done nothing.

That match to me was part of what going to the big clubs away from home was all about.

captain5 Posted on 5/9 15:19
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I can't take Corcaigh that seriously after he said that he hasn't been impressed with Downing so far this season.

Sorry.

EdmondBlackadder Posted on 5/9 15:23
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cant possbily read them all but i think Bernie has been generally negative for years.... whereas as Brownlee has been totally the opposite. There was never any real middle ground with Brownlee and Slaven which reflected the truth.

Gillandi Posted on 5/9 15:24
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Aliasme - You said "Gibson puts too much faith in those around him and appears to delegate responsibility to people who are frankly not up to the task." If you are on about the "minions who run the ticket office etc" then it's you thats missing the point because..

1/ Bernie never critices them.
2/ Lamb and Gibson are referring to Bernies take on the clubs progress on the playing side. eg His insistence that Viduka going to Newcastle was all the clubs fault, from a position of no "inside track," that a lot of his many listeners were of course, all too ready to believe.

So, if you want to moan about ticket arrangements find another thread because theyre entirely irrelevant here but I know from your previous posts that any kind of knocking of the club is good for you.

So to recap, I think the club has delegated on the playing side magnificently since they took over the running of the show.

No complaints about Gibbo and Lamb from me on that scorev and any friend of theirs is a friend of mine.




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sasboro Posted on 5/9 15:27
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1-1 away at arsenal. a decent performance and caught arsenal on bad day getting used to their new ground. not particularly spectacular but we hung in there and grinded out a result.

how many top draw games was there last season to entice the boro fans to renew season tickets? bolton, maybe watford and last 10 minutes of chelsea at home.

captain5 Posted on 5/9 15:30
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How did we get enough points to stay up??

Camsell_345 Posted on 5/9 15:30
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caught arsenal on bad day getting used to their new ground.

A quote that could have come brom bernie himself

boroboy75 Posted on 5/9 15:31
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Personally, I thought we mugged Arsenal that day.

Turner_86 Posted on 5/9 15:32
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I remember really enjoying the Everton game, we beat Newcastle at home, Charlton, Sheff Utd, Reading, and more, our home form was very good until the last few games, Man City we played a weakened side and Villa we were shocking.

captain5 Posted on 5/9 15:32
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75 - By the same token, we did Chelsea at home.

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sasboro Posted on 5/9 15:33
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"How did we get enough points to stay up??"

yep, i suppose thats seems most fans aim to just stay up. be it with a couple of games to go.

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Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 5/9 15:46
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It's not the worst team, Turner, read what I say, but we've never been so boring over such a long period. Maybe we're comiong out of it, but it's only one game so far.

The die hards expectations are so low that they considered the Blacburn and Newcastle games to be full value. The weren't, though they were an improvement on some of the rubbish of the last few years that you've 'enjoyed'.

Victories don't equal good games. Last year's game against the Geordies, the game against Chelsea....both poor but we had good results. This year's game against Newcastle was better despite us only getting a draw. Hence the decent atmosphere, it was like a morgue last year and for good reason.

Gillandi Posted on 5/9 15:50
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"yep, i suppose thats seems most fans aim to just stay up. be it with a couple of games to go."

It certainly is on the Sunderland board, despite your beloved Roy Keane's fancy talk before the season started.

TMG501 Posted on 5/9 16:03
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sasboro are you sure you're a boro fan, or are you just fishing all the time? I dont think i've ever come across anyone as pessimistic as you. I bet the winter nights fly by in your house.

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skiprat Posted on 5/9 16:09
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"Victories don't equal good games. Last year's game against the Geordies, the game against Chelsea....both poor but we had good results."

I don't know what game you were watching last year but we were playing well until Shevchenko scored and then all over them until the end of the match when we won.

Boromart Posted on 5/9 16:11
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So Bernie has out of the blue become mr positive with regards to the Boro, it's funny how those people who say he 'tells it like it is' aren't now chastising him. He will give any bs to safeguard his job.

I'm sure Gibbo is entirely aware about the the way that Century and it's 3 presemters laugherd off racism towards one of his employees as banter. Bernies position on Century is supposed to be to represent the town and the fans, in this case he was a complete coward. I suspect that is the straw that broke the camels back. The timing of this statement says as much.

When you add in the fact that Alcy laughed at the peeedo chants and Bernie failed to chastise him then I don't really blame Gibbo for reacting. It might not have been the most professional thing to do, but he is human.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 5/9 16:12
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skiprat, you've got to be joking!

All over them my arse.

sasboro Posted on 5/9 16:14
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"So Bernie has out of the blue become mr positive with regards to the Boro, it's funny how those people who say he 'tells it like it is' aren't now chastising him. He will give any bs to safeguard his job."

eh? mfc have already binned century. so slaven has no reason to toe the line with the club. Reason why he is being positive now si that we are playing better football. nothing more than that. he said if we keep it up the fans will come back

skiprat Posted on 5/9 16:18
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If you can't get excited over beating Chelsea at home Corcaigh you're probably better off staying at home to be honest.

captain5 Posted on 5/9 16:23
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Century have been sidelined for now.

When the mackems go down they'll want the coverage back. They'll not think 'sod you'.

It's like saying that ITV would slag the Premier League off as BBC have the highlights coverage.

sasboro Posted on 5/9 16:29
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remains to be seen if mfc told century to ditch slaven if they want the commentary back if they century agree to it. I imagine the them to tell mfc where to go. to be honest i cant see mfc wanting to go back to century anyway. they wil be ahppy with BBC tees who they can influence on what goes out. Would be funny if the summer rumours about slaven, eric and co moving over to BBC tees become a reality.

captain5 Posted on 5/9 16:31
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It's a shame really that Century haven't been as open about what happened with Eric leaving as MFC have been willing to be with regards to their opinion on Slaven.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 5/9 16:31
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skiprat, you and your cronies on here would get excited at Gibbo putting his washing out

captain5 Posted on 5/9 16:32
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Whites or colours??

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 5/9 16:35
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Grey.

Turner_86 Posted on 5/9 16:35
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Surely Keith Lamb puts Gibbos washing out...?

captain5 Posted on 5/9 16:36
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I think if he was just washing his shorts and shirts ready for a holiday in Hawaii that's the colour you'd see.

oikodomophobia Posted on 5/9 16:42
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normal service is resumed, the bitching starts

Boromart Posted on 5/9 17:02
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"so slaven has no reason to toe the line with the club." - sas he has every reason to 'toe the line', if he is banned from the riverside and banned from hurworth and players are banned from talking to him his position at Century becomes pointless.

You and Bandy of course know Bernie, which explains your vehement defence of him.

Regarding he is now praising us because we played well. I'm sorry but over the last 5 years there are plenty of games where we have played well and he has still slagged either individuals or the team. If not for the present frosty relationship between Bernie and MFC he would have said that against Brum we :-

a) ey we played ok, but we played an awful side.
b) we failed to the kill the game off, we should have got 6 against that, which just shows how lightweight we are upfront
c) eye Rocky played well, but why doesnae do it every week.
d) Downing was awful, apart from the goal and a couple of crosses he was never in the game
e) etc.

or any other number of un-superlatives (is that a word?). His praise in the past has always been followed by a backhanded dig, so why not now? Because he is under pressure. He may be acting nice as pie right now but it lacks credibility due to years of acting in a completely opposite manner.

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Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 5/9 17:07
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Journalists and commentators have to be free though, Boromart. They can't be shackled by the club. If Gibbo takes that stance, and I don't think he will, his credibility will be out of the window, and a lot more fans will walk away. It will be picked up nationally and he'll be ridiculed.

Boromart Posted on 5/9 17:24
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CTC, it's a bit of a conundrum really. Should a business manipulate it's environment to perform to its peak - certainly. Should an football club try and get the fans in a positive mindset and as one behind the club - certainly.

There is a fine line between shackling the press and PR management. I don't think the club have handled this at all well, but a maverick 'journalist' should not be allowed to constantly critcise the club unchallanged. For me the timing in relation to the Mido racist chanting is critical. The club would have expected him to be anti-racism and defend the dignity of MFC......instead he bowed down to his Jawdee paymasters. I can't sympathise with that.

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Lefty3668 Posted on 5/9 17:46
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You're all a little bit right.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 5/9 17:49
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Any more room on that fence, Lefty?

'Are you Brooking in disguise?'

;-)

Lefty3668 Posted on 5/9 17:52
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And are you cocksucker Smith?

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 5/9 17:55
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:-) nearly choked when she shouted that!

Lefty3668 Posted on 5/9 17:57
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Nearly choked?


Piquet2 Posted on 5/9 18:00
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Well I've just listened to the Fans Forum, and I must say what a carry on over nothing, talk about blown out of all proportion.

Lefty3668 Posted on 5/9 18:03
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We're back to cocksucker Smith again.

Sceptic_Frank Posted on 5/9 18:24
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I think the Slaven thing is something and nothing but the bigger issue is the club's failure to address other potential causes of the falling crowds and growing apathy.

People can come on here and be dismissive of minor things such as ticket service, sponsorship etc but if a large section of the club's customer base perceives it as a problem, then it is a problem.

There was always going to be a drop in optimism when Southgate was appointed because he wasn't an established name or fresh personality coming into the club. I personally think it was a brilliant appointment and the guy clearly has a far better understanding of the club-fan relationship and how to handle the media than the majority of his pay masters.

As has been said before, MFC's stance on consumer relations is antiquated at best. For Lamb to come out with the comments he did regarding the fall in season tickets was astonishingly inept and should have set alarm bells ringing for most fans.

Imagine a magazine editor saying, "I'm not bothered subsciptions have fallen as we make more money from people buying at the news stand anyway". Even were it to be true, to say it in public almost beggars belief.

On the pitch - looking healthy. Off the pitch - Very stale.

Senor_Chester Posted on 5/9 20:33
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Turner from a lot of comments on here I think you are completely out of touch mate. Do you actually speak to anyone about football outside this board?

I know a lot of people who don't go now mainly because of the Maclaren reign and nothing really to do with watching it in the pub (but maybe price), and none of them even think that we should be competing with the top 4? All that it will take to get them back is the better brand of football, which we are hopefully starting to see, and not the utter dross we played under Maclarenn 80% of the time.

holgate69 Posted on 5/9 20:34
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Shock horror Briggsy agrees with the club.

borobarmy07 Posted on 6/9 0:08
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captain5, eric gates was sacked thanks to a certain malcolm macdonald grassing him up 2 the century bosses after the 2 of them and slaven had agreed to go 2 bbc at the end of the season, only malcolm macdonald decided to grass the other 2 up instead and demand more money if they wanted him 2 stay. Slaven would have been sacked aswell if it wasnt for him doing the matchday commentary at the time

HappyHead Posted on 6/9 0:31
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"Regarding he is now praising us because we played well. I'm sorry but over the last 5 years there are plenty of games where we have played well and he has still slagged either individuals or the team. If not for the present frosty relationship between Bernie and MFC he would have said that against Brum we :-

a) ey we played ok, but we played an awful side.
b) we failed to the kill the game off, we should have got 6 against that, which just shows how lightweight we are upfront
c) eye Rocky played well, but why doesnae do it every week.
d) Downing was awful, apart from the goal and a couple of crosses he was never in the game
e) etc."


This is getting really pitiful, people now putting words in the bloke's mouth for Christ's sake.

Hypothetically, if Boro were to go on a terrible run from now until the end of the season and end up just avoiding relegation how would you react if the BBC Tees commentary duo glossed over the team's faults? Would you be OK with them making out everything was really fine? Or would you get irritable if they even dared offer to question the team's performance?

All this Slaven flak has happened to someone else before of course so it's nothing new. I always remember Lennie Lawrence getting all sorts of stick from fans for his post match comments if Boro had been beaten or played badly. On several occasions he left the listener in no uncertain terms what his views were. If Boro had played shitte he said so, in so many words. Likewise he praised them when it was deserved. I've always preferred that sort of honesty but that approach is obviously proving way too hard for many on here to take.

Boromart Posted on 6/9 9:03
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HappyHead, I'm paraphrasing the kind of comments he has previously come out with. The reason I am doing that is to show the lack of sincerity in the 'good vibes' he has given out this week. I am not putting words in his mouth as I am asking the question 'why hasn't he come out with the usual stuff?'.

Bernie has bit the hand that feeds him (indirectly) once to often.

sasboro Posted on 6/9 9:59
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" sas he has every reason to 'toe the line', if he is banned from the riverside and banned from hurworth and players are banned from talking to him his position at Century becomes pointless."

since when has bernie ever gone to hurworth? century have no links to boro anymore so they can say what they want know. I'm sure gibson is a bigger man than to start banmning someone from going to the riverside. thats just bad PR. its the sort of the thing bob murray and shephard would have done,. do we realy want the media having to toe the line jsut so they can keep themselves in teh clubs good books. i dont believe in that type of censorship

I dont know slaven, never spoke to him or met him in my life.

He has praised boro and players plenty of times over the years its just people choose to ignore the times he has. He has been praisiong the the team, the performance, mido..etc all this week. its because we put in a good commited performance agaisnt birmingham its nothing to do with having to toe the line. he doesnt have to toe the line at all.

if people actually listened to all his points you will see he always backs mido,boateng,taylor,woodgate,pogi, schwarzer, downing He got slagged off for saying viduka would leave and sure enough he did leave. dont see anyone admitting he was spot on.

anyway this topic has been done to death now i aint going to reply anymore. slaven does say negative things but also says positive things. the club got their way and ditched century.
we have ahd some shocking results over the years and some players not putting the effort in so its fair to criticise. what world would we live in if we werent allowed to criticise?
they also have achieved a chunk of fans who detest slaven now. they got the censorship they set out to do with these interviews this week. Hopefully slaven continues to do the phone ins with or without brownlee as i would just hate to get the propaganda the club want to send out all the time.

Boromart Posted on 6/9 10:18
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so as far as you are concerned sas, there are boundries to what the media can do. they can state what they want about the club when they want and the club must be accomadating to them regardless. That seems a very one sided relationship, and I don't want my MFc to be a doormat to organisations like Century who make a living of the club without paying a penny to us.

"He has been praisiong the the team, the performance, mido..etc all this week."
to many people it lacks sincerity, because in the past after a good performance he has still found something to slag.

"He got slagged off for saying viduka would leave and sure enough he did leave. dont see anyone admitting he was spot on."
If you throw enough sheite at a wall eventually some of it will stick. Personally I always thought there was a chance Viduka would go, but hoped we could persuade him to stay. I will take the clubs word that the deal he wanted was more than we could realistically afford.


"this topic has been done to death now i aint going to reply anymore."
usual sas, run away when it gets tough

"we have ahd some shocking results over the years and some players not putting the effort in so its fair to criticise."
we have also had lots of good results, but they rarely get praise by Slaven or you.

"what world would we live in if we werent allowed to criticise?"
Indeed, critiscism where its due and praise where its due. Slaven didn't really have the capacity to be even handed.

"they got the censorship they set out to do with these interviews this week."
I think censorship is a strong word, they have allowed slaven to have snide digs for years without ANY action. That is hardly the act of censorship is it!

The_Lizards_Jumpers Posted on 6/9 12:44
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Why ?

McDonald is not a Geordie, he's a cockney who's attached himself to the club for one last pay day.

Besides I thought everyone supported everything the 3 legends had to say, or is that only Bernie ?

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 6/9 13:17
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Which club has he attached himself to Liz? Century?

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