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TheSmogMonster Posted on 7/9 9:04
McCann Mother declared suspect.

Can't say I saw that coming.

Is it just another 'legal' thing like the Morat guy or is she actually a suspect though?

TheSmogMonster Posted on 7/9 9:05
re: McCann Mother declared suspect.

Forgot the link.

Link: Link

ivan_dobsky Posted on 7/9 9:07
re: McCann Mother declared suspect.

Apparently there are 22 specific questions they want to ask her but she has to be made a suspect before they can ask them. Could be nowt unless one of the questions is 'did you kill your daughter'.

captain5 Posted on 7/9 9:08
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Can't imagine that; unless the response is "Damn, I was hoping you weren't going to ask that."

SmogOnTheRhine Posted on 7/9 9:13
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This thing is turning into an episode of "Scooby Doo"

McCann_87 Posted on 7/9 9:15
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Well atleast we know that a bunch of kids and 2 talking dogs are going to solve it then SmogOnTheRhine

Big_Shot Posted on 7/9 9:16
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Scum. Hangings too good for her etc, etc*



























*well thats what everyone said about that Murat guy when police said he was a suspect.

captain5 Posted on 7/9 9:16
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"Let me at em, let me at em."

McCann_87 Posted on 7/9 9:16
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"Zoiks!!"

Patrick_Batemen Posted on 7/9 9:18
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Kate McCann = milf

TheSmogMonster Posted on 7/9 9:19
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Very odd though, surely there must be suspicion for the questions to need to be asked.

I'm pretty suprised actually, we're pretty much conditioned by the media to suspect the father in these cases.

tarquin_foxglove Posted on 7/9 9:34
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They had some bod on the radio this morning and they said that becoming an official suspect in Portugal means many things, 1 of which is you can't discuss the case with the media and he speculated that it was an attempt at gagging the McCanns.

TheSmogMonster Posted on 7/9 9:40
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Pretty ill thought through that speculation then I think.

The father hasn't been declared a suspect so he'll still be able to talk.

I agree that its not clear whats going on though.

Sawadee_cap Posted on 7/9 9:40
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I agree with Partick_Bateman. I think she's proper off the hook me like.

captain5 Posted on 7/9 9:41
re: McCann Mother declared suspect.

The father hasn't been declared as anything as he has yet to be re-questioned, which I think will happen in the next day or so.

Jon2977 Posted on 7/9 9:43
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Being declared a suspect in Portugal isnt the same as being charged in the UK, that is important to remember. They will have just given her suspect status in order to ask specific questions. She will be released later today and there will be no charges. The fact that she has been declared a suspect is a non story really.

Big_Shot Posted on 7/9 9:50
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Being declared a suspect isn't the same as being charged anywhere.

Celestron Posted on 7/9 9:53
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The fact is the Portuguese police have absolutely no idea as to who is responsible for this girls disappearance and are under great pressure to come up with some answers but are now resorting to desperation measures.

Archie_Stanton1 Posted on 7/9 9:59
re: McCann Mother declared suspect.

Surely the remaining kids should be taken into care now, until She is officially cleared.
I don`t like the idea of someone who is suspected of murdering her own daughter still looking after her other kids.

I feel sorry for the Portugeese coppers. There has been a lot of pressure on them, but there is no evidence other than the words of the McCanns. No one saw her being taken, no one has seen her since. Very hard to know what more they can do other than what they have.

BoroinCheadle Posted on 7/9 10:21
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On an interview on Radio 4 this morning, a friend of the McCann’s said that from the questions she was asked by the police yesterday Kate McCann believes that the police think that she killed her daughter. So it sounds more than just legal protocol.

mufflar Posted on 7/9 10:26
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As I said yesterday, it will be a cue for more photoshoots with the mother in full make up with another new haircut, staring out to sea. she will probably be 'clutching cuddle cat' as well.

There's something about this that really stinks...

Sawadee_cap Posted on 7/9 10:36
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"It will be a cue for more photoshoots with the mother in full make up with another new haircut"

Ho Ho, i can't wait. MILF, MILF, MILF, MILF, MILF, MILF, MILF, MILF, MILF, MILF, MILF MILF!

Jon2977 Posted on 7/9 10:39
re: McCann Mother declared suspect.

There are reports coming through that the Mother may have injected her daughter with a sedative before they went out to the restaurant, to ensure an uninterupted night out. As she is a doctor she would have access to this kind of drug. The source is the Times newspaper.

mufflar Posted on 7/9 10:40
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Question:

Your child has gone missing, what is your number on priority:

a) working closely with police and authorities to ensure her safe return
b) topping up your tan and getting your make up done. after all, its not everday you get on telly!
c) fly to Italy to meet the Pope

Patrick_Batemen Posted on 7/9 10:44
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I imagine your first task would be to remove yourself from Lisbons ass.

mufflar Posted on 7/9 10:45
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It was the Algarve not Lisbon...

mufflar Posted on 7/9 10:45
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It's a little bit further South...

Xavs_big_hair Posted on 7/9 10:50
re: McCann Mother declared suspect.

"There are reports coming through that the Mother may have injected her daughter with a sedative before they went out to the restaurant, to ensure an uninterupted night out. As she is a doctor she would have access to this kind of drug. The source is the Times newspaper."

Id heard that apparently she had given her a sedative because when they had left Maddie the night before she didnt stop crying for her parents!! Why hasnt more been made of the fact that the McCanns leaving their children on their own and unsupervised while they go out for a meal?! They should be charged with neglect if nothing else!

sasboro Posted on 7/9 10:53
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sod it..lets find them guilty, they were in the same apartment so that will do to convict them i reckon. then we can all go home and sleep and say we told you so and get back to watching tv soaps.

mufflar Posted on 7/9 10:56
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calm down sas, you might actually wake up!

Xavs_big_hair Posted on 7/9 10:57
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"they were in the same apartment so that will do to convict them i reckon"

The problem is they werent and this might not have happened if they were in the apartment with their kids.

Big_Shot Posted on 7/9 10:58
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Funnily enough sas, poor Barry George was convicted for less.

ml79 Posted on 7/9 10:58
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in almost every case of child murder the killer is a memeber of the family, killing by stangers is very very rare so they where always suspects and the attention seeking behaviour at the begining was very suspisous IMO

trodbitch Posted on 7/9 11:04
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"There are reports coming through that the Mother may have injected her daughter with a sedative before they went out to the restaurant, to ensure an uninterupted night out. As she is a doctor she would have access to this kind of drug. The source is the Times newspaper."

This is made up.

BoroDancer Posted on 7/9 11:06
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I for one thought that the parents may have had something to do with Madeleine's disappearance. I also thought it a little strange how they have created this media machine regarding their daughter. It seemed to me that they might be trying to divert any suspicions away from themselves.

But, I will reserve judgment until the police discount them from their inquiries, or charge them. It must be terrible to have a daughter go missing, and if they are innocent I really do feel for them, despite the fact that they left her un-attended.

trodbitch Posted on 7/9 11:09
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BD, considering how people have been accusing them of being involved since day one, how does them being in the media each day disatract attention away from themselves?

sasboro Posted on 7/9 11:12
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being a suspect in portugal can be different than in the uk. This is very important point but many people in the UK seem to not know. Lets remember that bloke who went through the same thing.many had him down has guilty.copied off a website:-

"For many people the news that Kate McCann is now a suspect may seem very suspicious. But unlike British law, Portugal does not operate under the same definitions. Here's an explanation of what becoming an arguido or formal suspect means:

Becoming an arguido or formal suspect provides certain legal rights under Portuguese law. An arguido is a person of interest to the inquiry.

It provides certain legal protection that is not extended to a witness, including the right to remain silent during questioning and the right to legal representation.

It is not uncommon for people caught up in criminal investigations in Portugal to declare themselves arguidos in order to receive this protection. "

BoroDancer Posted on 7/9 11:19
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I see your point Trod, I'm just saying that is how it appeared to me in the early days of the campaign. Its just my opinion.

I see your point to SAS, but I wasn't really all that struck with the fact she has been made a suspect, I was more interested in the fact that her mother said she thinks the police think it was her.

We'll see what happens. I hope they catch the culprit. All I'm saying is that it would not amaze me if the McCann's were convicted. I hope it wasn't them, and if it wasn't I hope they can learn to live with what's happened and at some point be able to move on with their lives once the investigation has concluded.

Jon2977 Posted on 7/9 11:21
re: McCann Mother declared suspect.

"There are reports coming through that the Mother may have injected her daughter with a sedative before they went out to the restaurant, to ensure an uninterupted night out. As she is a doctor she would have access to this kind of drug. The source is the Times newspaper."

This is made up.


Made up by the Times Newspaper then not by me.

TheSmogMonster Posted on 7/9 11:21
re: McCann Mother declared suspect.

The difference between Morut and McCanns arguido's declaration is that the former did it himself for his protection, the police have declared Kate McCann one. So clearly they see something in it, rightly or wrongly.

Being made a formal suspect by the police in this country is not all that different either, being made a suspect doesn't make you guilty.

sasboro Posted on 7/9 11:22
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"I hope it wasn't them"

I think you like many on here dont think that, you probably hope its them really becuse they are middle class doctors

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Boromart Posted on 7/9 11:24
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calm yersel down sas, very few people are directly stating that they are involved. Most people are not ruling it out however and thats how it should be.

BoroDancer Posted on 7/9 11:27
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SAS, why the personal attack? How pathetic.

I have posted what my views are, why would I lie? Why do you seem to be on some sort of moral crusade?

I do hope it wasn't them, because that would be horrific. Please do not tar me with that brush. To hope that the parents did it is perverse, and you are perverse for even suggesting that I hope that they did it.

captain5 Posted on 7/9 11:34
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Has anyone got a link to that bit in The Times then as I've been on their website and you'd think something major like that would've made it there.

kazzaxxx Posted on 7/9 11:45
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here captain

Link: times

captain5 Posted on 7/9 11:49
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Cheers kazza.

Jon2977 Posted on 7/9 11:49
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hmmm Times on line web site seems to be down at the moment, even when you try and go to the home page.

Totality Posted on 7/9 11:51
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Its just breaking that a family friend has today told the AP that Kate McCann is fearing she'll be charged over death of Madeleine today.

captain5 Posted on 7/9 11:51
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Working fine for me.

Totality Posted on 7/9 11:55
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The same friend has also said that police suggested to Kate in questioning that Madeleine's blood was found in their hire car (which was hired after her disappearance).

trodbitch Posted on 7/9 12:02
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I can't access it at the moment, nor the Sun newspaper site.

TeessideCleveland Posted on 7/9 12:10
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Working fine for me too

Max_Headroom Posted on 7/9 12:21
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Heres a good piece from the Times today

Link: pretty much sums it all up.

towz Posted on 7/9 12:28
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"The same friend has also said that police suggested to Kate in questioning that Madeleine's blood was found in their hire car (which was hired after her disappearance)."

Yeah I saw that on the news just now. Apparently hired 5 weeks after she disappeared. Curious

Totality Posted on 7/9 12:32
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Police have formally made Kate a suspect over the death of her daughter. Keywords there are "suspect", and "death", which is now being used rather than disappearance.

TheSmogMonster Posted on 7/9 12:33
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5 weeks towz?

Could be cross contamination I guess.

But you've got to ask, why would the police even look at the car if it was from so long after the case started?

The new information doesn't add up yet.

Boromart Posted on 7/9 12:36
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the only reason to examine a car from 5 weeks after the dissapearance is that the police are not satisfied with the McCanns version of the story and felt further investigation was required. The details given by the parents have not added up to the police.

kahunaburger Posted on 7/9 12:40
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The police could have been notified by the hire company when they returned the car.

Totality Posted on 7/9 12:55
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Its just breaking on Sky News now that specs of blood were found in the boot of the hire car which was hired 5wks after Madeleine's disappearance.

Kate has been told by her lawyer that she COULD be charged today with Madeleine's disappearance. Jesus. Even if she hasn't done it, the police must have some evidence to charge her.

Boromart Posted on 7/9 13:02
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"The police could have been notified by the hire company when they returned the car." - how would the hire company know there were specks of blood in the car?

or do you mean they informed them that they had hired a car? I would say it is not out of the ordinary for someone to hire a car in a foreign country, so there would be nothing to bring to police attention.

TheSmogMonster Posted on 7/9 13:02
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Totality, I hope its not true.

To think that someone could do it, hide it and use the media so effectively, the idea that it was some nutter sits more comfortably with me, with the parents being stupid but innocent.

A scary twist.

Big_Shot Posted on 7/9 13:02
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That Murat bloke will have planted the blood in the boot of the car. Yeah thats what will have happened.

Totality Posted on 7/9 13:04
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Totally agree, TheSmogMonster. I really hope that her being a suspect is only to allow the police to ask further questions. The thought of her (or him) knowing about how Madeleine died, or being involved in her death just sickens me.

towz Posted on 7/9 13:08
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Wouldn't surprise me in the least if they were involved. There's something not quite right about the whole thing. I've thought so from day one.

trewoboro Posted on 7/9 13:11
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Afraid ive seen this coming for weeks. Things where obviously going to come to a head.

jiltedjiff Posted on 7/9 13:16
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Reports yesterday said she was questioned for 11 hours.

It doesnt take that long to tidy up loose ends or just go over thigs again.

Have thought since day 1 they were guilty.

The_Lizards_Jumpers Posted on 7/9 13:22
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Will all the amateur Columbo's who've "had a hunch, since day 1" come on here and apologise should the police clear them ?

trodbitch Posted on 7/9 13:26
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No, they'll just say that "things still don't add up".

43myarse Posted on 7/9 13:28
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I agree with you lizard......... all the amateur sherlocks on here who have ''known they were guilty from day one'' are talking out of their fcuking arses.
Hindsight used as a self importance booster ......shiite !!!

towz Posted on 7/9 13:29
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Yes i'll apologise if the police clear them.

Boromart Posted on 7/9 13:30
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I'm sure they will Liz.

Personally I have not felt comfortable with this from day one either, the story is difficult to believe and their reactions in front of the media have not come across as 'normal behaviour' for situations of intense grief.

There are enough people on TV discussing terrible situations like this and I have never seen anyone react in front of a camera like these people.

Of course neither of these things mean they did it, they may just be emotionally stunted people. But i have never been entirely comfortable with the version of events portrayed in the media. If I'm wrong then I only had my thoughts in the interest of seeing justice done, but should have kept them to myself.

fat_abbott Posted on 7/9 13:31
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I can't see why some people get so narked that others might have an opinion on this.

If we all thought the same things about everything that goes on in the world then it would be like the old FMTTM message board.

Big_Shot Posted on 7/9 13:32
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I suppose all the people who have jumped to their defence whenever anyone has ever suggested that they may be to blame will hold their hands up and say how could I get it so wrong if they did do it.

Some people think the best of people, some people think the worst of people. Is it really such a big deal.

trodbitch Posted on 7/9 13:33
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"If we all thought the same things about everything that goes on in the world then it would be like the old FMTTM message board."

So why are you so surprised that people are disagreeing with what you are saying?

towz Posted on 7/9 13:33
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Exactly. Would all the holier-than-thou "don't have an opinion until you get told what to believe by the media" brigade be complaining as much if someone suggested it was probably done by a random lunatic?

hendrie86 Posted on 7/9 13:36
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as if anyone would feel the need to apologise if they are cleared.its still there fault she is gone and more than likely no longer with us.heaven forbid. they should have the two children taken away from them.

The_Lizards_Jumpers Posted on 7/9 13:36
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I honestly dont know what I believe, I just find it strange that people are quite willing to go on "hunches" and try to predict what they'd do if in the same scenario.

Let's just wait to see justice take it's course - either way !

trodbitch Posted on 7/9 13:36
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*holier-than-thou "don't have an opinion until you get told what to believe by the media" brigade*

Sorry to piss on your chips but I just believe in innocent until proven guilty and prefer that investigations would be based on evidence, not gossiping tittle-tattle from a load of web-based fishwives.

ivan_dobsky Posted on 7/9 13:36
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Who's this Al Guido bloke they keep going on about on Sky News?

SmogOnTheRhine Posted on 7/9 13:36
re: McCann Mother declared suspect.

Lets imagine this....

They gave Madeleine a sedative on the night (there are stories saying they did it the previous night)
For some reason Madeleine died as a result (reaction, accidental overdose etc..)
The McCanns assess the situation, even though it is an accident they almost certainly will lose their jobs and their other children.
All of their behavior since would make sense, why not be a victim instead of guilty.
They'd have to be cold and calculating, but people can be.

As for all the relatives saying "no chance", I'm sure the West's relatives said the same.

I'm not saying I believe this, but, I can hypothesize.

towz Posted on 7/9 13:37
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So do I. All I'm saying is if they are charged and eventually found guilty I wouldn't be surprised for all the reasons listed above.

Totality Posted on 7/9 13:38
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Sky are now saying they've heard Kate could be charged with "accidental death", with the leading theory being that Madeleine was accidentally killed (which fits with the press reports that she was given too much medication or sedated), and that led to a cover up.

SmogOnTheRhine Posted on 7/9 13:41
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Totality..... fook me, I am Columbo

The_Lizards_Jumpers Posted on 7/9 13:43
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So how did they get the body out of the apartment and hide it so that the police couldn't find it ?

Also if the blood was found in a hire car that was hired 5 days after she disappeared then they'd have needed to keep the body somewhere for those 5 days before moving it.

Big_Shot Posted on 7/9 13:43
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That seem quite plausible actually. I've not really followed this case that much but has there been any evidence to back up the abduction theory.

TheSmogMonster Posted on 7/9 13:43
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Seems crazy, I've not really suspected the parents.

I still don't know how you could use the media so effectively even IF it was accidental death.

What kind of parents drug their kids anyway? I've never heard of owt like it.

trodbitch Posted on 7/9 13:43
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So how do you prove an overdose or that she was sedated at all without a body? What I mean is how can they charge her for that? What evidence points to it?

Boromart Posted on 7/9 13:45
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Lizard, I think it's more than hunches. The chances of a random person breaking in and taking a single child away are billions to one. If they were a random person then what motivation would there be to take a child away?

If it wasn't random, but in fact a peeedo then how would they know that kids were alone in that apartment and for sufficient time to take teh kid without leaving ANY evidence? They would surely have had to spend several days stalking the McCans to know that they had a habit of leaving the kids alone, for a minimum of 30 mins, they would have had to do a reccy of the building to find the best way in and the best way out without being seen and without making a noise. Check for CCTV, know the habits of hte neighbours etc.

The fact that no one has yet been found, in fact the trail is stone cold tells us that IF the original story is true then the perpetrator did a highly 'professional' job because no clues where left, no witnesses are available. This couldn't have been opportunist.

So if they were stalked for 3 or 4 days before this happened then surely witnesses of suspicious activity would have come forward by now.

This has bothered me from the start. The original story is fairly unbelievable (which I guess is why there is such high media coverage), but of course I don't know all the facts I'm only basing it on the facts that have been released to the press and maybe elaborated by the media.

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TheSmogMonster Posted on 7/9 13:45
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"So how do you prove an overdose or that she was sedated at all without a body? What I mean is how can they charge her for that? What evidence points to it?"

Good point.

Big_Shot Posted on 7/9 13:46
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I suppose her blood in the boot of a car they hired after her disappearance points to them having a part in it. Barry George and Michael Stone was jailed for a lot less.

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trodbitch Posted on 7/9 13:47
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"but has there been any evidence to back up the abduction theory"

You don't need evidence to prove your innocence.

Big_Shot Posted on 7/9 13:49
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I weren't talking about the parents though, more about the case really. For 3 months we've been told this child was abducted, so is there any evidence to suggest that to be the case.



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Totality Posted on 7/9 13:49
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I hate speculating on such a thing, but IF the theories and press reports this afternoon are leading to Kate being charged, I wonder if its being considered by the police that after Madeleine died, Murat was the one who removed her body from the apartment later on.

TheSmogMonster Posted on 7/9 13:50
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The blood in the boot IS evidence though trod.

Its only speculation, but its coming out of the McCann camp.

Actually thinking about it, could they have found traces of a sedative in the blood they found?

Supposing its true biggest hole is how they kept her hidden, AND managed to escape the publicity machine following them long enough to get the body away.

Boromart Posted on 7/9 13:50
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There shouldn't be Trodbitch, but if that were correct then the word alibi would not exist in the English language.

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trodbitch Posted on 7/9 13:55
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The absence of a child? I don't know what evidence you'd expect to see. I know what you mean, maybe a broken window or a smudged fingerprint but these things aren't really proof.

If there's one thing that makes it clear in my mind that them being involved is extremely unlikely, it's the fact that for them to be involved they would have to be able to hide, transport and dispose of a body during the 5 days after her going missing. How would the press miss this? We surely all agree they've had unprecedented media attention?

sasboro Posted on 7/9 13:55
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do they know for sure they were in possession of the car when the blood ended up in there. maybe by coincidence someone had the same car the days after she disappeared. how many poeple hired the car between the girl disappearing and them renting the car. can they prove that they had the car when the blood was put there?

towz Posted on 7/9 14:00
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It says the car was hired 5 weeks after her disappearance, not 5 days

Big_Shot Posted on 7/9 14:01
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All the absence of a child suggests is that something has happened, not what. Surely there'd be some evidence left behind however small to suggest that thoery.

It seems the perfect crime, in that nobody saw or heard anything and no evidence was left behind or has subsequently been discovered. How often does that happen.

trodbitch Posted on 7/9 14:07
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Good point boromart but an alibi is useful for eliminating you from an enquiry but the absence of one, wouldn't be evidence against you.

Billygoatblue Posted on 7/9 14:07
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There has never been any evidence of an abduction- in fact the McCanns lied about the doors/windows being forced when they had in fact been left open.

I know that when I've been on holiday with my toddler, she will not settle in a strange room and thats when we've been in the bed right beside her cot... so I can imagine little Maddie being extremely upset about being left alone. This could suggest she was in fact sedated or alternatively that she went out the door by herself to look for her parents and got swept out to sea... either way the McCanns are not as innocent as their relatives would like us to believe.

SmogontheThames Posted on 7/9 14:09
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The BBC say the car was hired by them 25 days after she disapeared. Where could they have kept her for 25 days...I think its a fit up!!

Celestron Posted on 7/9 14:11
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I think the Butler did it

trodbitch Posted on 7/9 14:13
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"This could suggest she was in fact sedated or alternatively that she went out the door by herself to look for her parents and got swept out to sea... either way the McCanns are not as innocent as their relatives would like us to believe."

Shame you left out the possibility that she could have been abducted by an intruder. We can wait and see but you've only given two possible outcomes there, both pretty contrived.

Big_Shot Posted on 7/9 14:14
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Exactly Billy. After 3 months and not a shred of evidence to suggest that the child was abducted maybe they now think it might not have actually happen in the first place.

Boromart Posted on 7/9 14:16
re: McCann Mother declared suspect.

"The absence of a child? I don't know what evidence you'd expect to see. I know what you mean, maybe a broken window or a smudged fingerprint but these things aren't really proof." - it's not just broken windows and such. the police forensics will chekc the surrounding area for foot marks in the dirt, clothing strands on bushes, hair samples near the window. If hte 'abductor' broke in through the window there is no way you could get in without leaving any clothing, hair, skin evidance.

"Fit up" - who and why would someone fit them up? If you think the portuguese police are doing it then I'm afraid I don't believe in conspiracies like that. You would need every officer involved in the case to keep schtum....and that would be impossible due to the scale of the investigation.

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ivan_dobsky Posted on 7/9 14:16
re: McCann Mother declared suspect.

Unfortunately unless the little lass is found alive or, god forbid, dead we will never know for sure what happened. If the mother gets sent down for it there will still be people who think she's innocent and vice versa. It's a horrible mess which, of course, could've been avoided if the parents had stayed with their children. After all, isn't that what being a parent of toddlers is all about? I just hope against hope that the little 'un is still alive and well. Unfortunately this is looking more and more unlikely. It's really heartbreaking and I don't think people picking the subject apart will do anyone any good.

SmogOnTheRhine Posted on 7/9 14:17
re: McCann Mother declared suspect.

expanding on the theory that they accidentally killed her....

they probably had several hours to dispose of the body before calling the police, in that time they could have easily hidden her anywhere. What they would not want to do was move the body too soon after the crime as they were being constantly watched and were jetting off all over the place anyway.
After 5 weeks they get cold-feet (it happens in Columbo), they decide they have to remove any evidence including the body, they are doctors so I'm sure they are well aware how to dispose of a body completely (acid or something), but they were not careful enough with the car they used.

Just a thought.

davi_redcar Posted on 7/9 14:17
re: McCann Mother declared suspect.

I haven't followed this so much due to being sickened by the media frenzy. If it was an unemployed couple from a council estate I think there would still be the media frenzy, but it would perhaps have a different slant. The only parts that I have read and which disgust me are:

They left their kids alone to go for a meal
They left the patio doors unlocked on the ground floor
They didn't check them as stated, due to being favourites to win the quiz
On discovering the kid was missing she ran back and said 'THEY'VE TAKEN HER' I just find that a strange thing to say.

I don't want to debate on who or who isn't guilty, but I would say they are both guilty of neglect and should be held responsible.

The_Lizards_Jumpers Posted on 7/9 14:20
re: McCann Mother declared suspect.

So they'd have had to

a) Slip away from the friends they were with to initially dispose of the body

b) Have some acid handy, which I know I always take on holiday with me

c) Get away from the intense press coverage to dispose of the body in the second place

It's just not feasible.

sasboro Posted on 7/9 14:20
re: McCann Mother declared suspect.

dont rule out alien abductors. lots of people (including children)disappear without any trace, never solved and no evidence found

The_Lizards_Jumpers Posted on 7/9 14:21
re: McCann Mother declared suspect.

"'THEY'VE TAKEN HER'"

Did they really say this, and has this been widely reported ?

If so I agree that's a very strange thing to say, unless they knew someone had targeted them or something.

Big_Shot Posted on 7/9 14:22
re: McCann Mother declared suspect.

But thats the thing, 4 year olds don't just disappear with no evidence being found. Its just the evidence they do have doesn't lead to them solving the case.

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SmogOnTheRhine Posted on 7/9 14:23
re: McCann Mother declared suspect.

Lizards....

a) Slip away from the friends they were with to initially dispose of the body
We don't know when the crime happened, it could have been before they went out in the first place, it was only the parents that went back to "check" on the children during the evening

b) Have some acid handy, which I know I always take on holiday with me
This was 5 weeks later, not hard to get hold of some acid if you're a doctor in 5 weeks - it didn't have to be acid, there are other ways to permanently dispose of a body.

c) Get away from the intense press coverage to dispose of the body in the second place
Thats why they waited 5 weeks, less heat.

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Billygoatblue Posted on 7/9 14:24
re: McCann Mother declared suspect.

I child wandering off through an open door and drowning (contrived)

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/tm_objectid=16846529andmethod=fullandsiteid=94762andheadline=mum-s-agony-as-she-finds-tot--2--under-water-name_page.html


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sasboro Posted on 7/9 14:25
re: McCann Mother declared suspect.

maybe she sleep walks or climbed out herself and has gone somewhere,fallen off an edge or died or something and as of yet lies undiscovered nearby.

SmogontheThames Posted on 7/9 14:27
re: McCann Mother declared suspect.

I just wonder how many parents on holiday this summer have done the following. A typical hotel/apratment complex where all the apartments are situated around a pool in a u shape the patio leading out staright onto the pool sunbathing area....you know the type. All the rooms have access doors from the rear of the apartment but generally locked and used by the cleaners only. How many parents do you think have, during the hottest part of the day when there little 4, 5 or whatever year old, have worn themselves out, have put the little one down for a little siesta in the cool of the aprartment whilst they've hopped back on the sunbed with a cold bottle of beer and a book...afterall the kids is only a matter of feet away from them so no possible harm could occur surely. What you reckon...how many????????

trodbitch Posted on 7/9 14:28
re: McCann Mother declared suspect.

"This was 5 weeks later, not hard to get hold of some acid if you're a doctor in 5 weeks"

I beg to differ. I reckon it might be very difficult to buy chemicals for body disposal when you are the most famous doctor in Europe.

The_Lizards_Jumpers Posted on 7/9 14:28
re: McCann Mother declared suspect.

a) There must be a window between when she was last seen alive and when they declared her missing, who knows how long this was ?

It could have been 10 minutes for all we know.

b) So where would they get this acid from - the local chemist - I'm sure that wouldnt raise suspicions would it ? Or are you perhaps suggesting they brought it with them, got it shipped over from England ?

c) The media has been all over them, and the police all over the resort - they wouldnt be able to move that freely round teh Algarve to be able to get rid of the body.

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You wrote :-
"a) Slip away from the friends they were with to initially dispose of the body

We don't know when the crime happened, it could have been before they went out in the first place, it was only the parents that went back to "check" on the children during the evening

b) Have some acid handy, which I know I always take on holiday with me
This was 5 weeks later, not hard to get hold of some acid if you're a doctor in 5 weeks

c) Get away from the intense press coverage to dispose of the body in the second place
Thats why they waited 5 weeks, less heat."

--- Post edited by The_Lizards_Jumpers on 7/9 14:29 ---

trodbitch Posted on 7/9 14:32
re: McCann Mother declared suspect.

I'll just check through an stock photos of Gerry McCann dragging bags of lime out the back of his hire-car.

davi_redcar Posted on 7/9 14:32
re: McCann Mother declared suspect.

Lizard google Maddie They've Taken Her

sasboro Posted on 7/9 14:34
re: McCann Mother declared suspect.

how much acid would you need? can you buy that much on a holiday resort?

SmogOnTheRhine Posted on 7/9 14:34
re: McCann Mother declared suspect.

Lizards...

We don't know how big the window available was, I'm just hypothesizing.

It doesn't have to acid, I'm sure given the right internet search you can find loads of ways of disposing of a body. I only said acid 'cos thats what would have happened on Columbo.

If they were being watched night and day, how come the police or media don't already know how the blood got in the car ? Surely someone must have seen them.

SmogOnTheRhine Posted on 7/9 14:35
re: McCann Mother declared suspect.

Sas, you could buy loads of acid in the late '80s at most holiday resorts in the med, normally off some dodgy bloke in a club.

TheSmogMonster Posted on 7/9 14:36
re: McCann Mother declared suspect.

"a) There must be a window between when she was last seen alive and when they declared her missing, who knows how long this was ?

It could have been 10 minutes for all we know."

Horrible thought: was't there allegedly a big gap between them runig round the resort looking and the police turning up, yet the police still maintain they came as soon as they were called?

I still either way don't see how they can have done it.

the_broken_fridge Posted on 7/9 14:36
re: McCann Mother declared suspect.

"not hard to get hold of some acid if you're a doctor in 5 weeks"

While us plebs would struggle to place our hands on a vat, I presume.

SmogOnTheRhine Posted on 7/9 14:38
re: McCann Mother declared suspect.

Fair enough, maybe not acid then, it was only a metaphor.

Anyone seen "Man Bites Dog" - he had great ideas for disposing of bodies.

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Boromart Posted on 7/9 14:43
re: McCann Mother declared suspect.

when was the last time someone saw Maddie oter than the McCanns. In this line of enquiry that will dictate teh window of opportunity to initially hide the body. It could be as long as 4 or 5 hours.

Regarding later moving and perminantly disposing of the body. there is a lot of countryside to bury the body and a lot of water to sink the body with weights. Far more plausable than any hollywood horror stories of acid.

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Jon2977 Posted on 7/9 14:47
re: McCann Mother declared suspect.

We have some real sherlocks on this message board, just about every theroy under the sun has been thrown up here, alien abuduction, acid, sedatives, drowning. I think the most likely option is that Maddie is in North Africa somewhere as a slave. It is the most likely as this has happened before with children being taken from the Med area and over to North Africa. If they were organised there would have been plenty of time to get out of Portugal and get in a boat.

trodbitch Posted on 7/9 14:48
re: McCann Mother declared suspect.

Jon, you are no better than the Sherlocks you talk about!

SmogOnTheRhine Posted on 7/9 14:49
re: McCann Mother declared suspect.

I think its our duty to advise the Portuguese police of the existence of this message board, if they'd have been told sooner they could have had this case cleared up in days.

Rio_Verde Posted on 7/9 14:54
re: McCann Mother declared suspect.

I think that they (the parents) murdered the little lass...hard to believe that the cops would plant blood etc. There's so many indicators that the parents were to blame...just from leaving the kids alone, then the so called kidnapper...and if there was a kidnapper-- why didn't he take the other child...surely the other kid was just as valuable?

I'll be interested to see if the parents have enough money to hire as powerful lawyers as the Joan Benoit Ramsey family?

Nonetheless, "the blood in the car" is damning evidence...just waiting to see if the parents crack under the pressure.

sasboro Posted on 7/9 15:01
re: McCann Mother declared suspect.

whats the motive to kill your own child on holiday though?

maybe the parents are experts in doing the perfect murder without leaving a shred of evidence. They would leave some eveidence.

Are we 100% sure it is her blood in the car? and do they know for sure it got there while they had the hire car 5 weeks after the child wenbt missing

captain5 Posted on 7/9 15:03
re: McCann Mother declared suspect.

Apparently it was 3 weeks but the point still stands.

They must have been the most watched people in the world at that point.

Big_Shot Posted on 7/9 15:06
re: McCann Mother declared suspect.

'maybe the parents are experts in doing the perfect murder without leaving a shred of evidence. They would leave some eveidence.'

Aye like blood in a car, thats evidence. That was my point earlier, there is always some sort of evidence left after a crime, so maybe the 'abduction' never happened in the first place.

fat_abbott Posted on 7/9 15:06
re: McCann Mother declared suspect.

The blood could get into the car via the mother or fathers clothes, it doesn't have to be directly from the kid.

TheSmogMonster Posted on 7/9 15:06
re: McCann Mother declared suspect.

I don't think its outside the realms of possibility, but I don't think its likely they could have covered it up so well.

Another thought:

If she supposedly killed Madeline with an overdose, acidently, whats the blood from?

Boromart Posted on 7/9 15:07
re: McCann Mother declared suspect.

"whats the motive to kill your own child on holiday though?" - if it was an accident then a motive isn't required.

Big_Shot Posted on 7/9 15:07
re: McCann Mother declared suspect.

'The blood could get into the car via the mother or fathers clothes, it doesn't have to be directly from the kid.'

Thats not very plausible though.

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theboydom Posted on 7/9 15:10
re: McCann Mother declared suspect.

i just hope and pray i am never up before the court in any trial where the majority of you numpties are on the jury

boromart, not meaning to pick on you, but a couple of your statements stand out as being written by an intelligent, caring man who has lost the plot on this one.

you posted earlier:

"If it wasn't random, but in fact a peeedo then how would they know that kids were alone in that apartment and for sufficient time to take teh kid without leaving ANY evidence? They would surely have had to spend several days stalking the McCann’s to know that they had a habit of leaving the kids alone, for a minimum of 30 mins, they would have had to do a reccy of the building to find the best way in and the best way out without being seen and without making a noise. Check for CCTV, know the habits of hte neighbours etc."

click on the link, this is a case from the late 90's when surveillance materials were much harder to get hold of, and he was stalking one of the most famous men in the world who was in the public eye 24/7...

and you also posted:

""Fit up" - who and why would someone fit them up? If you think the portuguese police are doing it then I'm afraid I don't believe in conspiracies like that. You would need every officer involved in the case to keep schtum....and that would be impossible due to the scale of the investigation."

so you’ve never heard of the guildford/birmingham bombers, winston silcott, the carl bridgewater murder?

and, as mentioned a few times on this thread, barry george????

of course the police fit people up, it happens all the time when they don't have a suspect in a high profile murder case.

two points
1.we have all seen the pictures of the scrum that developed around the apartment madeleine disappeared from. that is a contaminated crime scene and the fact that the bloodstains were discovered all that time later by british police does not fill me with any great confidence in the portuguese methods of investigating murders.
2. this information that is suddenly spilling out - one of the biggest frustrations for the british press pack in all this has been the total lack of stooges on the portuguese police filling their papers for them with copy, as we were told from day one that they were very tight-lipped. lo and behold, just after the McCann’s have told the world they are coming back home to try and get on with their lives, this happens.

it stinks of the police washing their hands of it to me. they know that the mccanns will be hung, drawn and quartered by the press in this country, so no-one will ever point the finger at them for being incompetent. if the mccanns were capable of doing this, how come none of the people with them in the restaurant or anyone else dining in the same restaurant has come forward with any doubts?

the portuguese police may well prove me wrong and will produce some killer evidence that relied on them playing a long game to catch the parents out, but personally i think they are, just like their british counterparts, looking for someone to pin it on. otherwise, why wait for so long to make them suspects? another thing it says in the times article linked above is that their lawyer was tring to get them named as assistants to the enquiry, which would have given them the right to more info on what was going on. perhaps this is a move to make sure they cannot find out just how useless the portuguese police have been.

in this country, i can remember many high profile disappearances of children where they have never been found. this could just be one of those tragic cases. if the parents had something to do with it, what the heck did they do with the body with the full glare of the media on them? they haven't sneezed without it being in the news for months????

Link: spielberg stalker case

TheSmogMonster Posted on 7/9 15:16
re: McCann Mother declared suspect.

theboydom: the big flaw (and its a very big one) in your assumption it was the police fit up, is that they had a stooge in morat.

If the blood had been found in his car, which they'll have checked at the same time as the hire car, no body at all would have questioned it. 'Alibi?' we've got DNA.

A far far easier fit up, which would appease the McCanns, and make them (the police) come out looking as good as they will if it is the McCanns.

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Big_Shot Posted on 7/9 15:17
re: McCann Mother declared suspect.

Indeed there have been many high profile disappreances of children in this country most of which had various leads and lines of enquiries to look into, unlike this case. Furthermore I don't recall any instances of a child going missing from their own home with no evidence to suggest what actually happened.

Its quite a unique case really in that from day one something has been assumed to have happened but when the police have looked into it there is nothing to suggest it actually did the way they think.





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Boromart Posted on 7/9 15:27
re: McCann Mother declared suspect.

TheBoydom, sorry but I have not lost any plot. I'm quite in control, and if you read everything I have said it is that I am unsure about them and the way they have conducted themselves, and we shouldn't rule them out. I am certainly not in the witch hunt brigade.

Ok so Spielberg was in the public eye and was used to a scrum of people acting oddly around him, an entirely differant scenario to a normal family in a quiet holiday resort. It would be far far easier to identify someone acting suspicious. Two entirely differant scenarios.

""Fit up" - so you’ve never heard of the guildford/birmingham bombers, winston silcott, the carl bridgewater murder?"
Ultimately failed fitups in the end and non of those cases involved as many officers, from multiple countries, in full media glare. So I find it highly implausable that this is a fit up.

"Barry George" - mistakes have been made, not sure if he is completely innocent or not.

"contimnated crime scene" - to an extent that is true

"that they were very tight-lipped. lo and behold, just after the McCann’s have told the world they are coming back home to try and get on with their lives, this happens." - tight lipped because obviously they were monitoring the McCans and didn't want to prejudice ongoing investigations.

"so no-one will ever point the finger at them for being incompetent." - If they are indeed incompetant then surely teh worst thing they could do is attempt to fit someone up in full media spotlight. The fact the British Police have worked hand-in-hand with them and have nothing to gain by a fit up poo-poos any notion of a fit-up for me.

" if the mccanns were capable of doing this, how come none of the people with them in the restaurant or anyone else dining in the same restaurant has come forward with any doubts?"
How do you or I know that people haven't raised questions with the police. That is a big assumption.

"why wait for so long to make them suspects?"
because this leg of the investigation seems to be centred around a hire vehicle used 5 weeks after the investigation. That then needed investigating and DNA evidance obtained and tested. that explains the length of time.

Like I said, I'm not saying they are guilty, but I do feel the lack of any evidance of abduction and the behaviour of the parents requires explanation.

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fat_abbott Posted on 7/9 15:27
re: McCann Mother declared suspect.

'The blood could get into the car via the mother or fathers clothes, it doesn't have to be directly from the kid.'

"Thats not very plausible though. "


I would say it's quite plausible, and as such could be there completely innocently. I have a toddler, and on occasions she falls over, and sometimes bleeds as a result. I have ended up with blood on my clothing as a result of this. You have to appreciate these people are clever at finding what they find. There isn't likely to be a huge pool of blood, you might be talking about tiny fibres with it on.

Big_Shot Posted on 7/9 15:34
re: McCann Mother declared suspect.

But you're assuming that these people haven't cleaned their clothes since they got the blood on them, at least 5 weeks previous. And then to somehow get the blood of these unwashed clothes into the boot of a hire car.

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theboydom Posted on 7/9 15:35
re: McCann Mother declared suspect.

the smogmonster

"they had a stooge in morat"

who possibly stymied them by declaring himself a suspect?? my assumption is only based on experience of how the police in this country work when they do not have a lead in a big murder case.

big shot

"Indeed there have been many high profile disappreances of children in this country most of which had various leads and lines of enquiries to look into, unlike this case. Furthermore I don't recall any instances of a child going missing from their own home with no evidence to suggest what actually happened."

an extract from hansard in 2000 will show you that you only hear about the kids who disappear from their own homes when the media decide it is a worthy case. read the last sentence, it makes you want to cry.

"As the noble Earl said, it is a startling and worrying fact that each year in the United Kingdom 77,000 children run away for the first time, and around a quarter of children first ran away before the age of 11. Indeed, Childline staff have seen children as young as eight coming to their refuge. These statistics must be of serious concern to all those who place the family, and the welfare of children, as important to a civilised society.

As a parent myself I was extremely disturbed to hear the noble Earl say that 14,000 children--that is a fifth of all runaways--are thrown out of their homes by their parents each year. The noble Earl mentioned "gay" and drugs problems. I believe that there is also a problem as regards children with special needs which needs to be addressed. I was also shocked to read in the report that a small but significant number of children had been completely detached from any form of support--the children whom no one notices when they disappear."

Link: hansard

Boromart Posted on 7/9 15:40
re: McCann Mother declared suspect.

that is all very very sad, but kind of irrelevant in the case of a 3 year old.

TheSmogMonster Posted on 7/9 15:41
re: McCann Mother declared suspect.

Big_Shot, not saying its what happened, but its more then entirely possible, you can never truely get rid of the stuff.

""they had a stooge in morat"

who possibly stymied them by declaring himself a suspect??"

I can't see how that'd be a problem for them, surely its only what they would have done.

Big_Shot Posted on 7/9 15:41
re: McCann Mother declared suspect.

But we're talking about a toddler here, not runaways. The point I'm trying to make is that if a child is 'snatched' from their own home there will be some sort of evidence left behind, in various different guises, be if forensic or just suspicious behaviour or noises, but something. This child seems to have just disappeared and after 3 months nobody is none the wiser. Which could be the perfect crime, or it could also have never happened in the first place. I'm just questioning that maybe the child was never abducted in the first place.

Boromart Posted on 7/9 15:47
re: McCann Mother declared suspect.

One 'fact' that hasn't sat very comfortably with me is that the apartment was not hidden away it was visible from the street and only 50 yards away from a busy resteraunt. It wasn't exactly a 'soft target' for a peedo, or professional criminal. How ever warped we may think them to be they would still weigh up the risk factor.

The very excuse the McCanns have used as why they were ok to leave the children alone, prohibits someone breaking in without being spotted or alternately means doing it in such a hurry that they are more likely to leave phorensic evidance.

Logically this just doesn't hang together very easily for me. I'm not saying it is beyond the realms of possibility, but it is highly, highly improbable.



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theboydom Posted on 7/9 15:49
re: McCann Mother declared suspect.

boromart

like i said , i don't want to seem like i am picking on you but i know from previous discussions on here that you will at least have a reasoned case for holding the opinion you do. i just find the sequence of events suspicious.

you stated you do not believe in fit up conspiracies where whole sections of the police cover up for their colleagues. you have definitely lost the plot if you truly believe the police went to the high court and asked for the convicted prisoners in the cases i've mentioned to be freed because they felt some of their colleagues methods were dodgy.

"If they are indeed incompetant then surely teh worst thing they could do is attempt to fit someone up in full media spotlight."

barry george, birmingham/guildford, carl bridgewater etc. etc.

i am also not in the witch hunt business, but to dismiss fit up because you do not think it could possibly happen is a bigger assumption than any of the ones i have made.

as ever, the truth will always come out. we shall see.

Boromart Posted on 7/9 15:55
re: McCann Mother declared suspect.

I'm not saying a fit up is impossible. More very highly improbable, the british police would not go with a conspiracy by the portuguese police, they have no reason to and that would make a fit-up even harder. Those situations you have highlighted are involving just one poliuce organisation, not two, and were more national news than international.

As others have said Morat would have been a much better person to fit up. To fit up the McCans is a far more contentious scam due to the world wide public sympathy. If it failed it would destroy the reputation of the portuguese police and in fact the whole country for years - worldwide.

I really hope the truth comes out also. The last thing we want is no one to be brought to justice, the stigma for the McCans and Morat would be horrible.


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Big_Shot Posted on 7/9 15:58
re: McCann Mother declared suspect.

'Big_Shot, not saying its what happened, but its more then entirely possible, you can never truely get rid of the stuff. '

But the probability of all those things happening makes it very unlikely though. I can understand a person who innocently got some blood on their clothes which didn't quite come off still wearing the clothes around the house or when doing some work, but not a parent who is in the public eye after the child the blood came from had disappeared, and then transferring it into the boot of a car. I don't thnik anyone would believe that as an excuse.



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smog4life Posted on 7/9 16:54
re: McCann Mother declared suspect.

the portugese police are under preassure. Like the murat fella wasn't it a journo who said he was acting suspiciously then he was arrested den a newspaper claims the mcanns killed their daughter now they are being questioned. Maybe they should get off their asses and look for the kid instead of listening to media shi-te

Boro_Gadgie Posted on 7/9 18:08
re: McCann Mother declared suspect.

I don't get it that blood was found in a car hired 25 days after the disappearance.

It doesn't add up though that they would be having such a high profile in the media during those first 4 weeks, while all the time, they were planning on how to dispose either of the body, or a something that would have been used as evidence in the murder (eg a weapon), as that is the only way the blood could have got there, surely. It would mean that all that time, the evidence was right under the police's nose.

How would the McCann's have been able to keep up the pretence that evening, let alone for 4 months?

If it took the

Lefty3668 Posted on 7/9 18:38
re: McCann Mother declared suspect.

I've pretty much thought what Boromart has said on this thread.

I'll add a couple of things.

The investigation was a screw up from the off. In cases like this the initial crime scene examination is crucial. I know a couple of SOCO's, apparently when they first saw footage of how the Portuguese Police were going about collecting the forensic evidence, the jaws of everyone in the office dropped open.

I doubt there will be a conviction even if the parents are guilty.

Secondly, it has always seemed strange to me that one of the baby twins wasn't abducted instead. Much easier to abduct and less trouble, plus much more saleable. As Boromart has pointed out, there is small likelihood of this being an opportunist crime. If it is not someone known to the child then it must be a highly professional pedo ring, but what a risky, not to say distinctive target.

So if statistically it is much more likely to be someone known to a child, were there any suspicious actions by the parents? Well, fuckingoff and leaving your kids alone while you go for a meal seemed suspicious enough to me.

I didn't think there could be more than two such fuckwits in the country, then I read this board and discovered that there were actually shitloads just in Middlesbrough.

theboydom Posted on 7/9 18:48
re: McCann Mother declared suspect.

and you are one of the numpties i would not like to sit on a jury judging me, lefty.

it is a very recent phenomenon, never leaving your kids anywhere. i can remember long hours being left in parked cars whilst my parents went shopping. as grandparents, they would never dream of doing it now. mothers always used to leave their kids in prams ouside shops and houses on the street, not many would do it now.

when in albert park in the sandy play area, i am comfortable taking my eyes off the kids as i know i can see the gates from the bench i sit on, my wife constantly moves bench after fruitless attempts to keep the kids near her by telling them the side she is sat on is the best one. both of us know in our hearts though, that if someone was determined to snatch our kids, they could still do it as there are moments where you cannot see them when they are playing under the climbing frames/ramps. are we f**kwits? were my parents?

Lefty3668 Posted on 7/9 19:10
re: McCann Mother declared suspect.

'are we f**kwits? were my parents?'

No you aren't.

But you wouldn't leave them out of earshot while they were asleep, would you? How old were they again?

swordtrombonefish Posted on 7/9 20:12
re: McCann Mother declared suspect.

Amazing just how many budding Poirot's, Morse's and Sherlock fuking Holmes's there are who support the Boro.

Also how many will jump at the slightest sniff of a bit of dirty laundry. The media has you well trained.

TheSmogMonster Posted on 7/9 20:21
re: McCann Mother declared suspect.

"The media has you well trained."

Funny that as the media are widely backing the McCanns.

Its a current event and people will talk about it.

Further to that, not many people have made up their minds, just trying to piece together whats happened from vague media reports.

Senor_Chester Posted on 7/9 21:04
re: McCann Mother declared suspect.

Wow, look at home many people have came out of the woodwork and 'told us so' they must be far more intelligent than the rest of us who believe in innocent until proven guilty.

Stepper_T Posted on 7/9 21:30
re: McCann Mother declared suspect.

Did I really just read that the popped out for some acid and dissolved they body?

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dooderooni Posted on 7/9 21:41
re: McCann Mother declared suspect.

If you want my take on this it's that no-one will ever be held accountable for what happened to the poor kid.

If what we are hearing is a true reflection of events then the lack of evidence will make any conviction almost impossible.

There seems to be no evidence to conclusively prove an abduction.

There seems to be no evidence that death occurred in the apartment.

The whole case is fraught with supposition and the only thing that will prove what happened is if they find Madeline McCann, alive or dead.