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ERIMUS63 Posted on 8/9 0:22
maddy's parents (guilty)

one if not both are guilty in my opinion

Turner_86 Posted on 8/9 0:22
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

based on what?

PoetLaureate Posted on 8/9 0:23
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

Been out for a few drinks inspector

Stepper_T Posted on 8/9 0:23
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

On what evidence have you formed this opinion?

ERIMUS63 Posted on 8/9 0:24
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

as a parent, thats what
i'm only saying what most people are thinking
you just don't act like they did if your daughter/son had been snatched

GibbosEmpire Posted on 8/9 0:25
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

Tried,Convicted and Sentenced all in one post.

Well done.

Turner_86 Posted on 8/9 0:25
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

you don't know how you would act, what use is it breaking down and crumbling, they did everything they could to make sure everyone was aware and looking for her.

PoetLaureate Posted on 8/9 0:27
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

However the parents acted it would have been criticised by people. Cry too much your guilty, show no emotion you are guilty.

ERIMUS63 Posted on 8/9 0:27
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

no way would you act the way they would
ive gone over it time and time in my head and to react like they have is unreal
one is covering up for the other

smog4life Posted on 8/9 0:27
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

they aint guilty the portugese police r under preassure they arresting any1

Turner_86 Posted on 8/9 0:29
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

i think they are extremely strong inspirational people, and i am certain they are not guilty (if im wrong then it shows what i knoiw) of her going missing.

they made a stupid mistake, but they want her back, we all want her back, that's all that matters.

PoetLaureate Posted on 8/9 0:30
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

You do not know how you would act untill it happens to you. Why pass judgement on how somebody acts untill you have been through it.

ERIMUS63 Posted on 8/9 0:31
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

your right turner the only thing that really matters is safe return of maddy

but in my mind the only people who can answer that are her parents

Turner_86 Posted on 8/9 0:31
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

wh ywouldn't you act as they have?

shes gone missing, they tried to get her picture out to everyone, they wore her picture on t shirts, they've been allover europe and seen the pope, i very much doubt they did it, if they have, they are the hardest most sickening peiople who ever lived.

to accuse them imo, is a joke.

a waste of time.

Stepper_T Posted on 8/9 0:33
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

If they were covering up a crime they had committed, would they go around Europe drumming up public interest?

ERIMUS63 Posted on 8/9 0:34
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

yes, to detract from the real crime

GibbosEmpire Posted on 8/9 0:35
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

Erimus.

If it turned out that both are innocent,Il hoof this up just for you so you can apologise?

Turner_86 Posted on 8/9 0:35
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

you've watched to many films and read to many books mate.

no one could hold their nerve under that spotlight if they did something like that, there is evuil people in the wrold but thats ridiculous.

ERIMUS63 Posted on 8/9 0:36
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

turner you can do all what you say but if they know that the child won't turn up its worth their while and keeping the police looking elsewhere

ERIMUS63 Posted on 8/9 0:37
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

do that gibbo, i will only be to glad

Turner_86 Posted on 8/9 0:39
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

2 questions

1 why would they purposely murder their own daughter?

2 if it was an accident, why cover it up?

Purple_Hazer Posted on 8/9 0:41
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

"no one could hold their nerve under that spotlight if they did something like that, there is evuil people in the wrold but thats ridiculous."

We don't know that though do we?

They could be Guilty, they could be innocent, we are not in a position to decide really as we get part facts and a lot of stuff is kept from the Public.

Form opinions, yes - it wouldn't be natural not to. But to Say they are Not Guilty, Guilty or aren't capable of doing something is wrong - we don't know what people are capable of and that is the fact.

ERIMUS63 Posted on 8/9 0:42
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

1, stress, unstable
2, refare to the above

Purple_Hazer Posted on 8/9 0:42
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

2 questions

1 why would they purposely murder their own daughter?

Why would anyone kill anyone? You've seen the cases in America where full families have been killed then the father/mother/son/daughter have turned the gun on themselves.

2 if it was an accident, why cover it up?

Who knows how you would react if something happened?

Turner_86 Posted on 8/9 0:47
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

it's too far fetched guys.

why murder 1 of the three?

if it was an accidental death, and one panicked, naturally, there must be more than one of them in on it and would calm the other one down.

i just can't imagine this happening with everything that's gone on since, you wouldn't invite so much publicity on this scale, you would give so many inteveiws world wide and even visit the pope, they are catholics I think? correct me if I'm wrong, proffesional hard working people, they love their kids you can see it.

theres just no way at all.

Stepper_T Posted on 8/9 0:49
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

And how could she have covered the hiding of the body etc up from the rest of the party they were out with, or are they all in on it?

Purple_Hazer Posted on 8/9 0:51
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

"theres just no way at all."


Can't say that Though.

It is "possible" for them to have done it.

I personally don't think they did it, my views on where they were that night are another topic, but I don't think they Murdered her "In my opinion"

ERIMUS63 Posted on 8/9 1:01
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

i'll stick my neck out and say its the mother
no doubt the dad has backed her up
i feel like columbo
hope i'm wrong and they find the little girl

hallyspencer Posted on 8/9 1:22
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

I will be as blunt as i can be, and brutally honest(by the way im a poor speller) You would not act the way they have acted through all of this if your daughter had gone missing.

Over the past month they have been acting like celebrities. i mean goin to see the pope when your daughter is missing. comon give me a break.

I think there is more important things to be doing than that.

I might sound like a tit, and i havnt probably argued my case properly, but something doesnt seem right.

And another thing,when people say "well how can they put up a front like they have, if thet have done it"

You have a brain surgeon and a doctor between them. Both professions need balls of steel. So they do have the capability of lying in my books.

hallyspencer Posted on 8/9 1:32
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

Turner you said "if they have done it why cover it up"

Well thet have both got jobs, that if they were found to be sedating thier child, then that is their jobs down the pan.(and i would hate to think what a brain surgeon would be on a year)

So that to me would be a strong enough motive to cover up a crime!!

UCN_BORO Posted on 8/9 1:33
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

maybe people need to stop being so naive? as parents of that little girl they are always going to be in the frame, always! The fact that they have brought the media attention to such a huge global scale may have only been utilised to gain peoples trust. Remember they are both doctors, they are smart people. I am not saying they definately did do it, but to rule them out without proper examination would be foolish. i would expect nothing less if it were my child.

Turner_86 Posted on 8/9 1:35
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

If it's an accidental death, they wouldn't lose their jobs would they?

If she died due to an accident, why would they hide her body?

It doesn't make sense.

hallyspencer Posted on 8/9 1:43
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

I personally think that it has something to do with her perents. im that confident that you can hoof it for months if im wrong.

I just really cant understand people arnt seeing what i think im seeing.I REALLY hope im wrong, but i just cant see it.
They just arnt acting like parents who have lost there baby girl!

onthemap Posted on 8/9 1:44
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

Utter,utter, words fail me, no here's one - arsewipes.

ken_baggins Posted on 8/9 2:37
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

I'm not saying 'her parents murdered her' but i've gotta be honest and say something isn't right here. I mean, surely by now a witness of any kind would have come forward with even the slightest bit of info? They haven't though. And what are they gonna do with the £10million in their bank account from the madelaine appeal? I think its a sad indication of the world we live in if they are guilty. I hope to god the aren't.

sasboro Posted on 8/9 8:14
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

one of the parents having the meal who went to check their child saw someone carrying a small child in a blanket. this seems to have been forgotten as possible evidence and this person was never traced.

i beleive the parents are innocent and now the police just want it all sorted because its a high profile case. why would anyone want to coverup an accidental death if thats what happens.


for starters how can they hide the body so quickly in a place they have limited local knowledge off. then with all the media speculation it would be impossible for them to dispose of a body without getting noticed.

and why the blood in the car 25 days after she went missing? if it were an accidental death then what type of death would it be to produce blood?

a lot of talent on this message board, we seem to have the worlds best detectives and psychologists

--- Post edited by sasboro on 8/9 8:18 ---

scoea Posted on 8/9 8:24
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

Overdoses of certain medications can cause bleeding from the lungs. Blood in a car that they hired some 25 days AFTER she went missing is very, very damaging (if indeed that is correct).

I am not for minute saying that they did have an involvement. However, given that the vast majority of abductions are carried out by members of the family or people that the child knows, you would have to be extremely naive to dismiss it completely.

I hope it turns out to be entirely wrong because that way there remains the hope that the little girl is still alive.

Oh, and how anyone can predict the way they would react to something like this or, indeed, condemn the McCann's for their reaction is beyond me. I simply cannot imagine it.

deganya Posted on 8/9 8:35
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

i despair at some of the opinions on here. I hope some of you lot never get to go on jury duty as I think you would send innocent people to jail.

I beleive they are innocent and I also beleive the police with huge international pressure on them, have messed up and someone inside the police has planted evidence to point the finger of suspicion at the parents.
THE portugese police are a joke!!

wool_skull Posted on 8/9 8:49
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

One of the real problems that we all have with our speculation is that , because of the way that the Portugese police work (they do not disclose anything to the media) we do not know how far the enquiry has gone .

Did they folow up the lead of the man carrying a little girl ?

What is Robert Murat's involvement ?

Have they got earlier evidence that the McCann's could be guilty ?

What was in the forensic evidence that was sent to Birmingham ?

The answer is .......We don't know .

Why, if they have enough evidence to formally accuse the McCann's , have they not been charged yet ?

Far too many unanswered questions for any would-be Columbos on this board to pass sentance.

The BRITISH judicial system (the best in the world) still tells us that any suspect is innocent until PROVEN guilty.

Give them a chance

Come home Maddie xxxx

sasboro Posted on 8/9 8:54
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

why no blood in the apartment if there was blood in the car? i'm assuming if any overdose occured its likely to be in the apartment.

scoea Posted on 8/9 9:00
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

That's just it Sas - none of us know all the facts and so this supposition is pointless.

Coluka Posted on 8/9 9:01
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

A message for Anyone who thinks the parents are guilty

YOU ARE SICKO'S - PURE and SIMPLE

I HOPE NON OF YOU EVER EVER GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO JURY SERVICE AS YOUR MINDS WILL NO DOUBT BE MADE UP BY THE WAY SOMEONE SPEAKS OR THE CLOTHES THEY WEAR OR THE WAY THEY SIT ETC -
The family have been to HELL and back due to their own mistake and are being punished in the worst possible way - having to face up to the loss of their daughter. The Portugese police are a DISGRACE

HAVE A HEART FOR FOOKS SAKE

Huan_Kerr Posted on 8/9 9:01
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

They are guilty and have confessed.

They are guilty of leaving their kids unattended for lenghty periods.

Never ever have I left my kids alone anywhere without an adult.

I feel desperatley sorry for them, if that wasnt enough now they've been accused of being involved in her death.

Geordinho Posted on 8/9 9:03
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

And you my friend have been brain washed by the media. I don't think people are blaming them, but pure and simple they need to take a hard look at their actions which led to the abduction of their child.

YearbyRed Posted on 8/9 9:06
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

geordinho - if you don't think people are blaming them reread the thread title.

Turner_86 Posted on 8/9 9:06
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

I'm pretty sure they'll take a hard look at it for the rest of their lives Geordinho.

But right now they just want to find her.

Coluka Posted on 8/9 9:16
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

It takes a lot to make me really angry but some of the ill informed comments and bloodthirsty comments from some on here is SICK

They are paying the price of a stupid mistake

A mistake that no doubt loads of parents around the world will replicate (sadly) tonight and nothing will happen (hopefully)

GIVE THEM A BREAK FFS - PLEASE HAVE A HEART

wool_skull Posted on 8/9 9:18
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

What Coluka said........with knobs on !

boro1980 Posted on 8/9 9:19
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

They are not guilty its just the police taking the crap of them selfs cause they havent done there job right

Geordinho Posted on 8/9 9:20
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

They won't find her, not now.

ethan_edwards Posted on 8/9 9:21
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

Coluka

leaving 3 tots alone for hours while you go out with mates IS NOT A "MISTAKE" FFS.

It is deliberate negligence - they are unfit to be parents

Boro_Owl Posted on 8/9 9:25
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

Didnt they find Madeleines blood in a car that was hired;

By her mother
25 days after she went missing

Is this the case?

ccole Posted on 8/9 9:31
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

I keep thinking, “those two don’t look like the type of responsible parents who could harm there children”

Then again, leaving 3 kids, the eldest 4 years old on there own is beyond belief.


I do find it srange who people blame the local plod, when the latest actions are based on the results by the British Police?

Coluka Posted on 8/9 9:36
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

ethan

Never ever left your kids un attended ethan (if you have them that is) -maybe out playing with friends maybe where you assume them to be but do you really know where they are every minute of every day - i doubt it.

Geordinho Posted on 8/9 9:39
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

Not when the eldest is aged 4

ethan_edwards Posted on 8/9 9:41
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

Ive got kids.
Take em abroad in villa / apartments EVERY year.

Never,never, ever, not even once left them alone in the flat and gone out - one of us ALWAYS stayed with them.
100% record.
Record shared by every parent in my network of friends and family.
The Mccanns are a disgrace.

Senor_Chester Posted on 8/9 9:49
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

"And how could she have covered the hiding of the body etc up from the rest of the party they were out with, or are they all in on it?"

People who have condemmed them have convenientlly forgot this, didn't other members of the party check on the kids during the evening as well.

Coluka Posted on 8/9 9:52
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

what about out in your street or garden etc next door every minute of every day - doubt it ethan but if true fair play

ccole Posted on 8/9 10:00
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

Letting a four year play in the street, or a two year old play in the back garden, is a little different from putting them to bed in an apartment abroad and going for a meal with your mates, checking on them “every 20 minutes”

richysmrs Posted on 8/9 10:03
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

they have to live with the guilt of what theyve done , everyday muust be a nightmare !! i think slagging them off is not the answer - the portugese want them to be guilty - they are losing millions of pounds because families ( not just from england - all over theworld) are not going to portugal for their holidays!!! how the fook dare they do this to them - we should support them not slate them !!

mm40 Posted on 8/9 10:09
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

the police do not have a clue and see the parents as easy targets. Why has it taken them four months to gather forensics, in the Soham murders they had the suspect within 2 weeks and lots of forensic evidence, if it was the british police it would have some credence but to offer the suspect a bargain 2 year deal if she confesses then that says everything about the polices motives in closing the case NO matter what.

Geordinho Posted on 8/9 10:12
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

like everyone slating Murat?

ethan_edwards Posted on 8/9 10:13
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

stick to the point coluka.

no one is talking about kids playing in the street or garden or letting kids out of your sight for a moment.

the issue is about leaving tiny kids alone for hours at night while you go out having fun with your mates.

if you can defend that as either acceptable parenting or as a mistake then we may as well cease this dialogue cos we're galaxies apart in our values and will never find common ground

LouiseGoona Posted on 8/9 10:13
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

CCole

"Letting a four year play in the street, or a two year old play in the back garden, is a little different from putting them to bed in an apartment abroad and going for a meal with your mates, checking on them “every 20 minutes”


??? There is absolutely NO difference. In the street, in a holiday apartment they are in a vulnerable situation unsupervised.

prepman Posted on 8/9 10:14
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

anyone on here, who slags the little girls parents off.want to hang your heads in shame.you fooking arsseholes.

hendrie86 Posted on 8/9 10:18
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

to leave your child crying for 75 minutes in a foreign country is wrong and then to leave them again a couple of nights later is disgusting. strange how there is blood in the car. i dont know if there guilty but they are definately liars and bad parents.

sasboro Posted on 8/9 10:18
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

police said if she confesses she might get 2 or 3 years but be out in 12 months. If she gets charged and pleads not guilty then goes to court it could be 12 months before a trail starts and she would be held in custody until the trial. so you can see what the police are trying to do so they can bring a close to this high profile crime. even if she pleads her innocents and goes to court she could still be held for 12 months.

Turner_86 Posted on 8/9 10:21
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

There is absolutely no reason whatsoever if it was an accidental death, to cover it up, dump their own daughters body and then launch a worldwide campaign to find her.

It makes no sense at all.

ethan_edwards Posted on 8/9 10:23
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

louse Goona
Of COURSE there is a difference in letting your kid play outside in your back garden when you are on the premises AND leaving them completely alone for hours at night in a strange place while you go out with your mates

Prepman - parents who neglect their kids should hang THEIR heads in shame

Doctor_Mick Posted on 8/9 10:23
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

This makes about as much sense as the Butler did it. Or maybe Erimus did it and is trying to deflect attention from himself to the parents?

u_gotta_have_faith Posted on 8/9 10:23
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

ERIMUS How would you act if it was you?

Is there a right and a wrong way?

Geordinho Posted on 8/9 10:25
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

well prepman if i'm an arrsehole for condeming their actions, I guess that makes you a prize tossing idiot

ERIMUS63 Posted on 8/9 11:45
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

u_gotta_have_faith i wouldn't of got myself in that position in the first place by leaving them on their own

showman21 Posted on 8/9 11:52
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

My point on this is i doubt it was the 1st time they`d left the kids alone. If so they really need investigating by social services at the very least.

What got me about the pair was the way they seemed to court publicity and travel Europe for what seemed their own gain. ie meeting the pope.

Where were the other children then? With other people? Nice. In need of their parents in my opinion at the time. OR were they dragging them around on their travels.

Know its been said b4 but single mum from council house= Tortured!!

green_beret20 Posted on 8/9 12:01
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

One thing I've always suspected about what happened the night she was kinapped was that there was no forced entry.

I cannot believe for a second they walk out of that room and lock none of the doors? That simply goes past bad parenting.

TheSmogMonster Posted on 8/9 12:13
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

The whole thing is baffling, but how anyone can say based on what we know that the parents are guilty of anything further then neglect is beyond me.

I've got tons of questions in my head about it, I can see how it could well be true, if the death was accidental and caused how the papers think it was, I can see why the pair of them would cover it up, they'd both lose their jobs AND the two kids.

Conversely I don't think they could have pulled it off under the glare of the media. But the only evidence points firmly at them, there are cross contamination issues, but we don't know the details.

Theres too many things that don't add up either way, and with the information at hand, neither is impossible.

How can anyone make up their mind either way?

Senor_Chester Posted on 8/9 12:20
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

TheSmogMonster it's clear were all not as clever as ERIMUS63 though. Hell, he hasn't just sussed the one for being guilty he's maybe got them both sussed!

Big_Shot Posted on 8/9 13:45
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

'How can anyone make up their mind either way?'

I completely agree. But there are far more people out there who are adamant that the parents didn't have anything to do with it simply because they have decided that they simply couldn't have.

My own take on it is that 3 months after the 'abduction' maybe the police are now thinking that the abduction might never have happened in the first place, as there is nothing to suggest it actually did. In this country the parents would have been suspects from the off and been questioned exstensively very early on in the case.

Amongst all the criticism of the Portuguese police nobody has one mentioned that they should have been more open minded about the case rather than just believe what the parents say what happened.

Towell Posted on 8/9 13:54
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

mm40 get your facts right,it would be impossible for the portuguese judiciary to offer any kind of 'deal' because each crime has a set jail term that not even the judge can change.

siddaway2 Posted on 8/9 14:16
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

with ethan in what he says they should never be left alone in an apartment while the parents are out having dinner. if you can leave your kids alone in an appartment and go out to wine and dine yourself you are not a good parent imo.

hendrie86 Posted on 8/9 15:48
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

its not the first time they left the children by themselves on that holiday.look at the interviews with there neighbours. maddy was left crying for 75 minutes byherself days before. then her dad came back.its really bad!

Stepper_T Posted on 8/9 19:57
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

Where did you get that from hendrie?

hendrie86 Posted on 8/9 20:01
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

after the first week she went missing. the women in the flat above said it was constant and for 75 minutes. its common knowledge that this wasnt the first time on the holiday the children were left alone. even after the night she went missing mrs mccann said hourly checkups which has since been changed to half an hour checks. i dont think they are guilty but i dont believe they should still have the twins.

knocker_cox Posted on 8/9 20:05
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

wow, what a mind boggling initial thought provoking insight into your super duper world of pure fiction

they are guilty in 'your opinion', despite not actually being privvy to anything like the actual true facts in the case, what next, god is real 'in my opinion'

hendrie86 Posted on 8/9 20:06
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

i said i dont think they are guilty

stewboss Posted on 8/9 20:28
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

This thread conforms to the theory that 95% of everything is crap (even this post).

ERIMUS63 Posted on 8/9 20:29
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

are you included in that stat stu?

Boro_Gadgie Posted on 8/9 21:00
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

I just wonder if the Portuguese police are just trying to cover up their own inadequacies, as it seems like a botched investigation from the start. Maybe it's dragged on so long that they have decided they have to charge someone. Just because there's evidence to question someone, doesn't mean that there's enough for a charge to be brought, or that the evidence would stand up in court.

It's almost as if the police are thinking "someone must have done it, so let's treat the parents as no 1 suspects as they're the last to see her alive".

Also, I find it incredible that blood was found in a car hired nearly a month after her disappearance. How did it get there, as if it was from Maddy, then that would infer that the McCanns were hiding her body underneath the noses of the police. Also, it would mean that they took a risk of permanently disposing of it while the full glare of media attention was on them. As they almost invited the media publicity, if they were still trying to cover their tracks, inviting such media attention would be very risky. Although I hope she's still alive, maybe the blood was planted by the real killer.

Also, are they 100% sure it's Madeleine's blood. I'm no DNA expert, but isn't it possible that the parents' DNA profile is similar?

Now they've questioned them, if the police really do believe they've killed her and disposed of the body, they have to go for broke on this. They should say to the parents "We have evidence to suggest she's dead and that you've disposed of the body. Tell us where the body is and if we find it and the death was an accident, then you'll get a lesser charge. If we don't, we still have sufficient evidence to convict you of murder." I know that sounds a load of rubbish, but looking at it from the police's point of view, they've got to gamble with a bit of bluffing.

bblf Posted on 8/9 21:13
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

Im open to be corrected here because I find it hard to read the stories of what may of happend.

I understand they are saying there is DNA (possibly from blood) in the hire car they rented 25 days after Maddy went missing.

as far as I can see ,everytime they have gone out they are followed by around 30/40 photographers and news crews. How could they possibly have picked up a body , drove somewhere else and re hid the body.

mentalOne Posted on 8/9 21:37
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

Not knowing what the exact evidence is,we are all concluding she is dead. I hope with all of my heart she is still alive and will be found - to say the parents are guilty of a speculated murder is just wrong - are we not missing the point here - A 4 year old child is missing, if (and I hope she is ) still alive, she will be frightened and alone. prey she is unhurt, not sentence the parents-

John_boro Posted on 8/9 21:45
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

guilty of neglegence



but according to police

the last person to see madeline was some family friend who went to check up on her, then a few mins later her mum went and discovered her gone

therefore the dad is NOT GUILTY, the only people could be the family friend or her mother, now if they found madelines blood on the car 25 days after the dissapperance, then that suggests that it is probably the mother because who else would have access to it, i doubt whether this family friend would have, and i dont think many would be able to plant the blood while the parents wernt lookin, my bet is the ocean (buried)

TheSmogMonster Posted on 8/9 21:51
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Honestly " A 4 year old child is missing, if (and I hope she is ) still alive, she will be frightened and alone. prey she is unhurt, not sentence the parents" but what if the police find evidence that they were involved? Maybe this is the way they'll find the truth?

You can't say either way because you don't know. I certainly don't think anyone on here has possession of enough information to make such statements.

If the police have a lead, they can't leave it alone, no matter how unsavoury the truth could turn out to be, that would be completely unresponsible.

ERIMUS63 Posted on 8/9 23:02
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

i'm hoofing this to be proved wrong
hope the little girl is still alive
breaks my heart seeing her picture on the tv

Dolan_ov_Marton Posted on 8/9 23:04
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B@ll@cks Erimus your hoofing it to get to the hundred club lol.

ERIMUS63 Posted on 8/9 23:06
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shush lol
no seriously read thed the earlier threads

Dolan_ov_Marton Posted on 8/9 23:20
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Posted this on one of the many Maddie threads yesterday :

I tend to agree with this in a way although the punishment of rotting in hell (if there is such a place) seems harsh. As many people have said before if this was a single mam from a rough council estate, who nipped to the local for a couple of lagers, she would have been slated in the press and had the other two kids taken off her in the blink of an eye, But they are not form a rough council estate, they are a surgeon and a doctor from a nice neighborhood. This said I don’t think they have killed their own child and I hope they can live with the guilt of leaving her alone to face her fate. As much as I hope that she is found safe and well, deep down i think we will never find out what actually happened to her.

boro_4_eva Posted on 8/9 23:35
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no way was it them why wud they go to see the pope if they were guilty?

borosmog123 Posted on 8/9 23:39
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i reckon the police just want them out of portugal and are trying scare tactics because they hav,nt a clue where maddie is or what happend

Stepper_T Posted on 8/9 23:46
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I know that the local community and probably lots of people, including the authorities, want them gone and to get back to normal.

But the latest developments appear to have been instigated by evidence unearthed by British Police.

cardiff290204 Posted on 8/9 23:58
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99 posts - shame not to make it to 100

yefrem Posted on 9/9 0:53
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Hope the child comes back safe, but, I can't see it happening, alas.

If her aprents are guilty they have a lot to answer for, and will people in the future give so willingly to such a cause.

onthemap Posted on 9/9 1:16
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you sick sad bstards-one day you may have a life,then again maybe this is as good as it will ever get as far as your sad little minds are concerned.

japsterboro Posted on 9/9 8:47
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no way was it them why wud they go to see the pope if they were guilty?


The 'Pope' ain't schitt!

Senor_Chester Posted on 9/9 11:42
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Madeline's blood can't have been found in the hire car, if it was her's they would have been charged with murder straight away.

boro_bliss Posted on 9/9 11:47
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I think they have accidently overdosed her on sleepign tabletts so they could have a party with their friends. And they knew that the police would never believe them that they just killed her accidently.
The police would have blamed them that they WANTED to kill the child, and the McCanns knew that it would be difficult for them to proof that it was just an ACCIDENT.
So maybe they have kept the body somewhere then and later, when the press trouble was not so big anymore, got rid of her.
And they were travelling around Europe making the people aware of Maddies so called kidnapping, to fool the police and to distract them from what had really happened.
It is just my theory.
At the end of the day, there is only two people who know what has really happened: Kate and Gerry McCann.

Senor_Chester Posted on 9/9 11:49
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"It is just my theory."

At the end of the day I could come up with a completely random theory as well based on snatches of info from the news.

boro_bliss Posted on 9/9 11:51
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My theory is based on what I know from the news.

Senor_Chester Posted on 9/9 11:52
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I wonder if the police asked them were they were when JFK got shot?

sasboro Posted on 9/9 11:52
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"Madeline's blood can't have been found in the hire car, if it was her's they would have been charged with murder straight away."

thats what i was thinking. at the least they would have probly been told not to leave the country

"At the end of the day, there is only two people who know what has really happened: Kate and Gerry McCann."

What about the person(s) who took her? At the moment the parents are still innocent as they have not been charged with anything. Seems like they became official suspects so the police could ask them specific questions so they can eliminate them from teh enquiries.

Will be interesting to see where this now leaves the police. Will they start to scale things down with the parents out of the country

Senor_Chester Posted on 9/9 12:04
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They will have to scale things down I suppose, I wouldn't imagine they have the resources to continue.

Unfortunately people do go missing and never get found.

AbramLatic Posted on 9/9 20:21
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I don't believe the McCann's are guilty of anything other than neglect but the more depressing aspect of the whole thing is not just that they may never find Madeline, more that the Portuguese dont seem to have the first idea of how to go about finding out the truth.

HolgateEnd Posted on 9/9 20:27
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I dont know if they are guilty or not, and the mother certainly looked distraught in the first tv interviews. Not too sure about the dad, he's always come across a bit too calm for me.

I know one things for sure, I wouldnt have had time to do tv interviews, meet the pope or owt else, as I'd have been too busy searching everywhere I could to try and find my kid.

ERIMUS63 Posted on 13/9 23:49
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everyones jumping on the bandwagon
remember where you heard it first

swordtrombonefish Posted on 13/9 23:56
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"remember where you heard it first"

Chilling, being right is the priority then.

ERIMUS63 Posted on 13/9 23:57
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no, but i was shot down for suggesting it

elnino1 Posted on 13/9 23:58
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That's because your a thick coont.

Senor_Chester Posted on 13/9 23:59
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"remember where you heard it first"

I'm sure people will remember how vile you've sounded.

trodbitch Posted on 13/9 23:59
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"i'm hoofing this to be proved wrong
hope the little girl is still alive
breaks my heart seeing her picture on the tv"

You said this a few days ago and now you are just wanting to take the 'glory'?

You hypocrite.

Coluka Posted on 13/9 23:59
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elninho1


elnino1 Posted on 14/9 0:00
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Coluka Posted on 14/9 0:01
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TROD
Exactly mate

ERIMUS63 Posted on 14/9 0:03
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no i was hoofing it bacause at the time everyone was saying they are innocent
now everyones making jokes about them and convinced they are innocent
i haven't forgot theres a little girl missing here have you

trodbitch Posted on 14/9 0:07
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Don't pretend that as you rushed to your computer to smugly say "I told you so" that you were thinking about that child. I know you weren't and so does everyone here.

Senor_Chester Posted on 14/9 0:08
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ERIMUS you still don't get it, just put a sock in it.

ERIMUS63 Posted on 14/9 0:08
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hardly think i rushed trod

swordtrombonefish Posted on 14/9 0:08
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Fuckwit

ERIMUS63 Posted on 14/9 0:12
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yes you are sir for jumping to conclussions

zaphod Posted on 14/9 6:35
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Just found this:

"FORENSIC tests show Madeleine McCann died of an overdose of sleeping pills, media reports said today.

Body fluids found in the boot of a car hired by the parents of the missing four-year-old British girl 25 days after she went missing in Portugal showed she had been sedated, according to a French newspaper which said it had seen the evidence.

France Soir said DNA results of the fluids showed Maddie had swallowed enough sleeping pills to cause an overdose."

The journalist is named (Guilhem Buttut), so he seems to be willing to face libel charges. I find it odd that the DNA match is only 88%, though. I wouldn't have thought that was enough for beyond reasonable doubt.

Boromart Posted on 14/9 9:17
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what really grips my scheite about this case is the amount of media spin thats going on from both sides. I guess the french reporteer has received a leak from the Portuguese police.

But also statements like this from Kate’s dad Brian Healy, stink of media manipulation: “They’ve talked about it between themselves. Having another child was something they’ve been thinking about. But that was before Madeleine went missing. Now all they want is Maddie back. They’re not thinking about anything else. Children are the most important thing in their lives.”....it's just trying to prove that a) they are loving caring parents, and b) they were not stressed out with 3 kids and wanted more in a cynical attempt to carp on the theory that Kate hit Maddy.

--- Post edited by Boromart on 14/9 9:34 ---

juninho9999 Posted on 14/9 10:26
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I dont think anyone can form an opinion until they have studied the whole of the evidence.

I can understand why people are upset when the parents are treated as suspects, but you have to consider it from the Portugese police point of view, the current theory 'as much as none of us want it to be true' HAS to be followed up.

Is the DNA match sufficient ?
If the Toxicoligy reports show the prescence of sleeping tablets then as hideous as it may seem, you can see where they are coming from.

I am not saying they are guilty, I hope to God they are not involved.

But as horrible as it seems the question HAS to be asked.

markiemark666 Posted on 14/9 22:27
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They are NOT GUILTY, there little girl has gone missing and look what they are been put through. The worlds cracking up.

Bren_MFC Posted on 14/9 23:06
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Not Guilty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Senor_Chester Posted on 14/9 23:21
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"But also statements like this from Kate’s dad Brian Healy, stink of media manipulation: “They’ve talked about it between themselves. Having another child was something they’ve been thinking about. But that was before Madeleine went missing. Now all they want is Maddie back. They’re not thinking about anything else. Children are the most important thing in their lives.”....it's just trying to prove that a) they are loving caring parents, and b) they were not stressed out with 3 kids and wanted more in a cynical attempt to carp on the theory that Kate hit Maddy."

Or devils advocate it may actually be the truth.

Boro_Gadgie Posted on 14/9 23:26
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It seems a lot of the forensic evidence leaked to the press is less than conclusive. The fact that there seems to be too many gaps in the chain of evidence would mean that a conviction of the McCanns is unlikely anyway.

wiggler Posted on 14/9 23:50
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Media manipulation, they have tried to play the media all along..

I'm sorry but i think GUILTY

Ingleby4Boro Posted on 15/9 8:34
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Guilty.

1. They have not shown any emotion since the little girl went missing.

2. Its funny how they got evety member of the group of friends at on time or another that night to go back and check on the kids, (so they had plenty of witnesses that the girl was in the room), yet when the mum went back, the girl had gone.

3. The mum is insistant that "someone" took the girl through the window of the room. The shutters were jammed open with about a 6 inch gap, not enough for a 4 year old girl to get through, never mind an adult who is taking a child.

4. Why did she wash the childs little comfort "cuddle cat". If that was any "normal" parent, they would want to keep their childs scent on the item for as long as possible.

and the big one.

5. How many children would be happy to go to bed at 7pm on holiday. How many parents would send a 4 year old to bed at 7pm on a holiday.

The only way a child would go to bed on holiday would be if she had been given sleeping tablets, and I think (I hope I am wrong), but the mum gave her too much, then realised what she had done, and got rid of the body to hide the guilt.

Far to many other little things that dont add up.

I really hope and pray that they do find Maddie alive, but deep down I know its not going to happen.

Up the Boro

BoroMod Posted on 15/9 9:01
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It's threads like this that make me ashamed to be associated with Teesside. Some people are pathetic, how you have the nerve to be judge and executioner on a subject you have very little information on is beyond me.

Just think about what you're accusing someone of, it's not petty theft here.

Ingleby4Boro Posted on 15/9 9:08
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Please explain the points above then if you think they are innocent. Also please explain the "missing" 30 minutes, between when the parents say they arrived ar the bar, and when the actually did. Please explain how the police found Maddie's blood underneath the carpet, in the boot, of a hire car which was only hired 25 days after the girl went missing. How do you explain the substansial traces of sleeping tablets in the little girls hair, which was also found in the hire car. The police must have suspected them from an early stage to have 10 full boxes of evidence against them, and to conduct a search of the hire car over 6 weeks ago.

Like I said, I realy hope they find the girl alive, but I know its not going to happen.

TheSmogMonster Posted on 15/9 9:11
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I really don't know how anyone can say either way.

Theres clearly a body of evidence as the police are risking career suicide by pursuing it. But the 'facts' we've been told dont add up for that to be true.

Just withhold yer judgement till the full facts become public.

Big_Shot Posted on 15/9 9:18
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'It's threads like this that make me ashamed to be associated with Teesside'

What has Teesside got to do this? I don't see how what someone has posted on an internet messageboard can make you be ashamed to be from a certain part of the country. What if there is another messageboard where people are saying what wonderful people the McCanns are, will you be no longer ashamed. Very odd post.

Senor_Chester Posted on 15/9 10:01
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Do I know if they are guilty - no, do I know if they are innocent - no. But to prove how pathetic this is I will give valid answers to those points:


"1. They have not shown any emotion since the little girl went missing." - Firstly you are joking right? They have shown plenty of emotion since she disappeared. What do you want them to be acting like then?

"2. Its funny how they got evety member of the group of friends at on time or another that night to go back and check on the kids, (so they had plenty of witnesses that the girl was in the room), yet when the mum went back, the girl had gone." - This isn't funny at all, and how do you know anyway that they got their friends to do it, how do you know they hadn't volunteered?

"3. The mum is insistant that "someone" took the girl through the window of the room. The shutters were jammed open with about a 6 inch gap, not enough for a 4 year old girl to get through, never mind an adult who is taking a child." - I've never heard this evidence before and I'm sure if this was true they would have been more made of it.

"4. Why did she wash the childs little comfort "cuddle cat". If that was any "normal" parent, they would want to keep their childs scent on the item for as long as possible." - How do you know how anyone reacts in that situation? How do you know the scent wasn't gone from it and it was filthy as she takes it everywhere and needed a wash.

and the big one.

"5. How many children would be happy to go to bed at 7pm on holiday. How many parents would send a 4 year old to bed at 7pm on a holiday." - If this is you big one then I despair, the kid is 4 year old ffs, what time do you think 4 year olds go to bed? Plus the fact their on holiday they may have been doing a lot during the day and the kids where tired.


I'm not trying to defend them just trying to prove how pathetic it is to jump to completely random conclusions.

Ingleby4Boro Posted on 15/9 10:27
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1. I would be in bits, crying none stop, I would not have slept, or eaten. The parents have not lost an ounce of weight between them.

2. A family member has said that on previous nights, it was the parents that went back and checked, but on this night THEY WERE GLAD they asked others to go back, so that they had proof that the girl was still in the room. I wonder how many of them just opened the door and counted the 3 children, I bet none of them walked over to the beds and checked for a pulse.

3. When she first went missing, it was a big thing about the shutters on the windows. and the men in white suits, dusting them for fingerprints.

4. If that was my little girl, her comfort toy would not get washed, you would leave it exactly as it was, satins and all. Why would you wash it, apart from to get blood out?

5. FFS. HAve been been on holiday yourself you thick tool. How many kids do you see out and about after 7pm. We just came back from Tenerife, and my 2 year old never stopped during the day, and was still awake till gone 10pm every night. People staying in nearby apartments complained about the kids crying for long periods of time over previous nights, so it is fairly fooking obvious, that the parents made the kids stay in the room, cos they could not be arsed to take them out on a night. Even when our girl fell asleep on a night, we laid her down in her pushchair, and took her up to the room when we went to bed.

YearbyRed Posted on 15/9 10:48
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"1. I would be in bits, crying none stop, I would not have slept, or eaten. The parents have not lost an ounce of weight between them" - where as if you had killed your own daughter you would maintain a healthy appetite obviously

2. "A family member has said that on previous nights, it was the parents that went back and checked, but on this night THEY WERE GLAD they asked others to go back, so that they had proof that the girl was still in the room. I wonder how many of them just opened the door and counted the 3 children, I bet none of them walked over to the beds and checked for a pulse" - FFS!


4. "If that was my little girl, her comfort toy would not get washed, you would leave it exactly as it was, satins and all. Why would you wash it, apart from to get blood out" What blood? I thought they had overdosed her on sleeping tablets?

Senor_Chester Posted on 15/9 10:53
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

You have convinced me Ingleby4Boro, I mean theres nothing to actually prove your theories are right, but heh, what else could have possibly have happened. Bring back public executions.

Woodymfc Posted on 15/9 10:55
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a very strange couple

Boy_Wonder_MFC Posted on 15/9 10:56
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I THINK THE MOTHER IS GUILT, If true, then i hope she rots in hell

Woodymfc Posted on 15/9 11:00
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like the saying goes "It will all come out in the wash"

im off!

Senor_Chester Posted on 15/9 11:00
re: maddy's parents (guilty)

Not the father as well boy_wonder, surely in for a penny....
After all he did look to his left when they interviewed him!

ERIMUS63 Posted on 31/10 12:15
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still guilty

robert_hoffman Posted on 31/10 12:18
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theys a wall of silence over this...they was a uk pole and it said 80% think she guilty...

they may never find out.....

prepman Posted on 31/10 12:19
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i didnt realised there was a trial,when was it?