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benidorm2boro Posted on 9/9 11:11
your thoughts on McCanns returning

back to the uk this morning,if it was you what would you do? stay in the area that your daughter went missing from?,or do as they have done return to the uk for more intense media coverage over thier questioning in portugal.as i think this is what will happen once they step back on uk soil.

dorivas_a_great Posted on 9/9 11:12
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either way, they're going to get massibe publicity. Personally I think they need to try and get back to a state of normality. Seeing their family etc. I wouldn't have though they will be back in UK for too long tho

buttermyarse Posted on 9/9 11:21
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The first thing that should happen is that their other two kids should be taken away and put in a safe environment..They are not fit to be in charge of kids

benidorm2boro Posted on 9/9 11:36
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butters,i think the welfare of the twins is the most important thing at this time,although i dont want to judge the parents i think your right in what you say about the two little ones.

Big_Shot Posted on 9/9 12:54
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Expect an exclusive interview with Trevor McDonald, with him fawning about what wonderful people they are.

Woodymfc Posted on 9/9 13:01
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A strange couple

mm40 Posted on 9/9 13:04
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can you blame them after the police attempt to incriminate them in the disapperance of their daughter when only weeks earlier saying that they were no way involved. The portuguese police will be made to look complete fools when the truth comes out as it always does in the end. Their handling of this case has been very, very poor.

GillZean Posted on 9/9 13:06
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Maybe they want to spend some time with their kids before they get sent down?

Whether they are guilty or not (I don't really have an opinion) they will be pilloried whatever they do.

Big_Shot Posted on 9/9 13:12
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The Portuguese Police should have treat them as suspects from the off and therefore would have questioned them exstensively immediately. Seems to me they spent too long just believing what the parents said what happened, instead of being open minded about the whole thing.

Piquet2 Posted on 9/9 13:17
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Like Gilzean I have no opinions either way on this, but if they think they have had it hard out in Prtugal with the press then they ain't seen nothing yet. I heard someone on Breakfast News yesterday morning reviewing the papers and commenting on the whole affair, apparently someone in their home village in Leicstershire has set up a petition calling for their remaining children to be taken into care, so far there are 1,600 signatories. I have also heard some of the press reports published on the continent, and not published here in the UK, and if true it's very sad.

gravy_boat Posted on 9/9 13:22
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mm40 Posted on 9/9 13:04
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can you blame them after the police attempt to incriminate them in the disapperance of their daughter.

How can you possibly know with such conviction, that that is the case?

Borobarmy Posted on 9/9 13:35
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Imagine the anguish they are going through with not only losing their daughter but being blamed for her death .Its hard to imagine it . Please consider them innocent until PROVEN guilty .

mm40 Posted on 9/9 13:43
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gravy boat for the following reasons:
1. why offer a suspect a 2 year deal for admitting killing their child, as the ploice did to kate mccann
2. now the press are saying the blood found in the car has not been matched to the child
3. the portuguese police took a crumpled page from kate mccanns bible that was about a story of a child that was missing and use this as evidence. Talk about clutching at straws!!!
4. Finally why would they be allowed to leave the country if the police had any evidence at all against the couple.

Fact is they dont have any evidence that is credible.

boro_bliss Posted on 9/9 13:47
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What I find strange is that some of the things regarding that whole Maddie thing were published yesterday and today in the rest of Europe, but strangely enough not in the English press.

Big_Shot Posted on 9/9 13:49
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its still a lot more evidence that they have to back up the abduction theory.

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Miklosh Posted on 9/9 13:49
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Borobarmy, thats thw whole point. They are to blame for her death, certainly indirectly, because they CHOSE to leave 3 kids, under the age of 3, alone, while they went out for a meal.

heine Posted on 9/9 13:50
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if the stories of them injecting their kids with drugs to help them sleep they should be charged by our Police and struck off by the NHS

gravy_boat Posted on 9/9 13:50
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1. As of yesterday - and this may have changed - it was only Kate Mccann aunt who claimed this. No spokesperson for the McCanns has confirmed this happened.
2. Oh, well if the press are saying it......
3. Not heard about this, so can't comment.
4. Agreed.

I am NOT saying I think they've been involved. I just don't know how you can be so sure that they haven't.

Don't you think it odd that the Portugese police would attempt to 'fit-up' Kate McCann with the glare of the worlds media on the case? It seems like madness to me.

TheSmogMonster Posted on 9/9 13:59
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"Fact is they dont have any evidence that is credible."

How do you know what evidence they have?

The only annoucements have been from the McCanns camp.

In fact if it wasnt for the McCanns spokespersons we wouldn't know any of it.

Actually on thinking on it, it seems to me the McCanns are actually trying to discredit the police for whatever reason.

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Senor_Chester Posted on 9/9 14:05
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"Don't you think it odd that the Portugese police would attempt to 'fit-up' Kate McCann with the glare of the worlds media on the case? It seems like madness to me."

I don't know how these things work but I would imagine this would be some sort of 'procedure' in murder/abduction cases, in where they try to put the main suspects under pressure in an attempt to break them.

baldiearmstrong Posted on 9/9 14:10
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didnt realise there are so many guardian reading liberals on this board. How can they come back to england in order to provide a "normal" life for the twins yet court a deal with the NOTW and the sunday mirror??

All good for the pension fund should they ever get struck off in future though eh??

All those who contributed to maddies fund should be refunded with immediate effect.

gravy_boat Posted on 9/9 14:12
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That may well be the case. Suggesting they've got evidence that they haven't, to - like you say - put them under pressure.

Different to 'fitting them up' that's been suggested?

gravy_boat Posted on 9/9 14:18
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'didnt realise there are so many guardian reading liberals on this board'

Well there's the generalisation of day.

Actually, I would suggest it's much more likely to be readers of the likes of the NOTW, the Sun, the Mail, the Express, who have had this story rammed down their throats for the last 3 months, who would be sympathetic towards the McCanns.

I think us Guardian readers tend to be a little more objective.

mm40 Posted on 9/9 14:52
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the saddest part of the whole thing is that the girl is still missing.

rozi Posted on 9/9 19:15
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According to one of todays papers English police were listening in to the interview the police did with Kate McCann, and were actually telling them what questions to ask, if that's true then it changes things a bit, maybe the Portuguese police aren't as bad as they seem. What seems strange to me is that all through this the McCanns have been adamant about staying in Portugal yet as soon as they are being questioned the way they have been the last couple of days they come straight back to England.

ST0CK0 Posted on 9/9 19:23
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Rozi, they announced last week that they were thinking of coming back to England, before the police questioned them.

markiemark666 Posted on 9/9 19:28
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Rozi - I agree it is rather strange they have come home all of a sudden.
I think either the police has told them to get off there island as its ruining there Tourist trade.
Or Possible they have came home to say there goodbyes to friends and relatives, who knows?

baldiearmstrong Posted on 9/9 19:29
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Lets see how quickly the mccanns try and settle into a "normal life for the twins". I mean doesn't every "normal" family have to do television interviews every day before going to work. Mark my words they will grab every opportunity to be on the box this week, slating the same portuguese police that they were praising just a few weeks ago.

Lets see if Trevor McDonald asks them why they left 3 kids on their own just so they could have a nice meal with their mates or better still let Paxman interview them.

Can someone tell me what the difference is between this pair of pathetic parents and a grandmother who lets a rottweiler into a room to savage a small child??

Where's the sympathy for the grandmother in that particular case? She had the "excuse" of being pissed and stoned, what's maddies parents "excuse"??

dibzzz Posted on 9/9 19:31
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They had to get back to the UK for the sake of their other two kids.

I don't believe for one second they had anything to do with it.

The whole thing is a huge embarrassment for the Portuguese police, that's why they point the finger at the parents to bring closure to it.

wonkydonky Posted on 9/9 19:36
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I think we should all say a little prayer before we go to bed tonight, only for the little girl. If she is still alive, she will be terrifed, if she is dead, she will be in heaven.

Its shocking, whatever the truth, and my heart goes out to her.

Woodymfc Posted on 9/9 19:37
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Hope they used their duty free allowance

LIDDLE_TOWERS Posted on 9/9 19:37
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There's some right

insencetive fooker's on ere


shame on you all

redpete Posted on 9/9 19:38
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Everyone is slagging the Portuguese police but what no one seems to realize that it's law in Portugal that once a criminal investigation is under way, police cannot reveal anything about that investigation, including any details about potential suspects.
Any leaks could jeopardize a trial.

So most of the information is coming from press guess work..

Woodymfc Posted on 9/9 20:02
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there are some real tetchy fookers on here
sorry for them

bandito Posted on 9/9 20:57
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some of you on here sound like pub bores. Why must everyone have their say on this issue. Lets be honest, nobody knows anything yet we find ourselves surrounded by Helen Mirrens and Robbie Coltraine all of a sudden.

Coluka Posted on 9/9 20:58
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Exactly Bandito

bigdave85 Posted on 9/9 20:59
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They'll be on Celebrity Big Brother

bandito Posted on 9/9 21:00
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I very much doubt it bigdave

zaphod Posted on 10/9 6:05
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I can't help feeling that the chances of finding the child alive are virtually zero after all this time. I doubt if we'll ever find out what actually happened, unless a body turns up.

The McCanns were negligent in leaving such young kids alone. I don't blame people for saying the other kids are at risk.

Boromart Posted on 10/9 10:39
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I was chatting to a work colleague/friend this morning about this. He is an ex-coppa, served for about 25 years. When we asked his view he immediately said they did it.

Why? 4 things:-

1) Body language of Mr McCann on TV when stating that "We were not involved in the disappearance of Maddi". Particularly looking down to the left when answering this question, which any criminal psychologist will tell you is very damning. It might not seem to you or me, and might not be evidence admissible in court but I'm sure the British Police now have a strong opinion on this case.

2) The way they have tried to keep close to the police and the public all the way through. Criminals often like to keep as close to an investigation as possible. It offers them a sense of security that they can react to the investigation or even steer it down the wrong course.

3) Absolutely no evidence of a break in, which is near impossible. Although poor policing may have destroyed some evidence.

4) The reaction to the situation of the parents. When a child is lost the parents accept the worst and grieve quite quickly, within 3 or 4 weeks. To court the press and keep them close at all times for 4 months is highly peculiar behaviour...and links back to number 2. The day they stop talking to the press is the day they start to wonder if they have got away with it because they will not know if the police are continuing with investigations.

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B_Hills Posted on 10/9 10:54
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The big rumour here in the Algarve is that they have been allowed to return to the UK on condition that they sort out their affairs and arrangements for the twins, then return to Portugal to face the music, but as i said its a rumour and only that at the moment. But knowing how things go here it could well be plausible !!!

captain5 Posted on 10/9 10:56
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The lease on their villa finishes tomorrow and I would imagine that they'll need to get the other kids into nursery/school.

sasboro Posted on 10/9 11:02
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glad they have returned, so things can settle down for everyone and police can get on with finding out what went on.

As for the mCcanns, innocent until proven guilty on a court so hopefully they can be left to get on with their lifes wihtout the need for people booing them. We are giving them a trial by media speculation so lets just wait and see how it all ends up before making judgements

skiprat Posted on 10/9 11:03
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It's like CSI Boro on here!

bungydinsdale Posted on 10/9 11:03
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It's no wonder Britain has gone to the pack with so many narrow-minded, ignorant, imbeciles around.
On the basis of the mainly tabloid press, the word of a mate who was a cop, amateur psychology, rumours, a petition and some shonky overseas stories that aren't published in Britain because of your libel laws, a lot of you idiots have got these people convicted of the most heinous crime possible.
Some of you need to have a long hard look at yourselves if you are prepared to hang sombody without even seeing ANY evidence.
None of you have seen any as none has been presented from the cops, yet you can convict them already. Sad indeed and I just hope those on here making their minds up never find themselves in that sort of position.
I thought the very basis of the Westiminster Justice System was the principle of innocent until proven guilty, thank beealzebub I'm never going to have some of you buffoons having sit in judgement on me.
I'm really glad I'm well out of a country with such a narrow-minded majority.
Shame on those of you who have made your minds up as to these people's guilt or innocence without one skerrick of evidence against them.
Oh, and boro-bliss is the LAST person to declare somebody's actions strange...

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Boromart Posted on 10/9 11:14
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bungydinsdale,

If you want to talk about narrow minded and ignorant then we can do that. It is narrow minded and ignorant to dismiss and rubbish other peoples opinions because they don't match yours.

To address your points individually:-
"On the basis of the mainly tabloid press"
When the tabloid press were making excuses for the McCanns and were on their side, I wasn't. I thought something was wrong with their story and behaviour.

"the word of a mate who was a cop"
he is a good friend, a very intelligent ex-cop, 25 years service. He has corroborated my views not shaped them. I posted it as an insight to the kind of subtle actions that the british police will have picked up on. To try and give some balance to the public perception. Of course some people will not want that balance because they believe contrary to evidence that they are not involved in the disappearance. It is actually quite common for the police to get family to appear in press conferences in cases like this to gauge their body language.

"amateur psychology"
you have no idea on me or my friends areas of expertise, so FYI to dismiss it as 'amateur psychology' isn't exactly true.

"rumours, a petition and some shonky overseas stories that aren't published in Britain because of your libel laws"
I don't care about any of these things. They do not have any relevance to my views.

"a lot of you idiots have got these people convicted of the most heinous crime possible. Some of you need to have a long hard look at yourselves if you are prepared to hang somebody without even seeing ANY evidence."
...and you are prepared to exonerate and protect them without any evidence. I have seen evidence. I have seen their behaviour in the media, which is what alerted me to being very dubious of their story.

"I thought the very basis of the Westiminster Justice System was the principle of innocent until proven guilty, thank beealzebub I'm never going to have some of you buffoons having sit in judgement on me."
Firstly stop insulting everyone it doesn't reflect well on you. Secondly no one on here has the power to convict them, but we have as much right as anyone else to an opinion.



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Perry_Combover Posted on 10/9 11:22
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its probably the same people who are saying the mccanns are guilty, as were saying that murat guy was guilty a few weeks ago.

oh he looks a but shifty, must be him.

Archie_Stanton1 Posted on 10/9 11:28
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When can we expect the Wembley Maddie tribute concert?

I`m sure Elton would be happy to perform.

"....and it seems to me that you lived your life like a toddler in the wind......"

boro_bliss Posted on 10/9 11:28
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You wont stop me having an opinion, bungydinsdale. I hope I have made myself clear on that.
In Europe the papers have written more about certain things about the Madeleine affair than in England. And I said that I find that strange.

Boromart Posted on 10/9 11:29
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Perry, please don't try and dismiss other peoples opinions, for the record I didn't say it must be murat because there was absolutely no evidence available that it was him.

sasboro Posted on 10/9 11:30
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"In Europe the papers have written more about certain things about the Madeleine affair than in England. "

what like? interested to know

bandito Posted on 10/9 11:31
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good post bungydinsdale. Some people just like to pretend they are wannabe detectives based on SUN front page headlines, Exclusive breaking news reels from SKY and gut instinct. And IF the McCanns are found guilty they will be on here saying stuff like, I could tell it was him or her because of they way they acted, blah,blah,blah. Absolute tripe

the_broken_fridge Posted on 10/9 11:33
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Interesting.

Come on Bliss, spill the beans please. Or at least link to a few of the sites as posting on here would be likely to be libellous.

Boromart Posted on 10/9 11:35
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and some people like to profess the innocence of the McCanns based on SUN front page headlines, Exclusive breaking news reels from SKY and gut instinct.

People seem determined to turn this into some kind of pishing contest which doesn't really do this case justice. Whatever happened it is a grave and depressing situation. So please stop trying to point score. If people want to discuss it and put forward opinions fine, but using this as a way to show how much smarter you are or a way to try and make someone else look stupid is disgusting.


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TheSmogMonster Posted on 10/9 11:35
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Why do people feel the need to belittle others who talk about current events?

Seems frankly bizarre.

I wonder if when Lord Lucan went missing, you all burst into pubs and told people to stop talking about it?

Stuff happens, this is a public message board, if you don't want to talk about it don't talk about it.

Wheres the confusion?

I think if you take the time and effort to actually read what most people are saying yo'ull find very few people have made their mainds up.

Looks right this second like the case has been passed to a prosecutor. I'm suprised.

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boro_bliss Posted on 10/9 11:36
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"In Europe the papers have written more about certain things about the Madeleine affair than in England. "

what like? interested to know


Read the papers then.
(Oh wait, the only language you are able to speak is english, isn't it?)

bandito Posted on 10/9 11:38
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and some people like to profess the innocence of the McCanns"

havent said that have I Boromart. Just laughing at people changinf their opinions so quickly after the portugese police are becoming frustrated

Perry_Combover Posted on 10/9 11:40
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no one is professing their innocence - the fact is no-one, not even the portugese police have enough evidence to pin it on anyone.

some people like to jump to conclusions based on idiotic 'evidence' like mr mccann was looking down to the left ffs.

the whole investigation seems so botched anyway (like letting out the apartment again, no exact dna match on 'blood' found in hire car) etc.that, unless, they find madeline's body it seems highly unlikely they could secure a conviction

green_beret20 Posted on 10/9 11:42
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Death and disappearance,

I was wondering how long it would take Bliss to show her face.

sasboro Posted on 10/9 11:42
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"and some people like to profess the innocence of the McCanns based on SUN front page headlines, Exclusive breaking news reels from SKY and gut instinct."

Thats because you are innocent until proven guilty. nothing to do with a tabloid paper

borobliss, what sort of stuff have the european papers been writing?

boro_bliss Posted on 10/9 11:46
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Something about a bible and David.
That is all that I will say.
As I said, have a look yourself.

Boromart Posted on 10/9 11:46
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"some people like to jump to conclusions based on idiotic 'evidence' like mr mccann was looking down to the left ffs. " -- but if you read my post correctly you will see that my ex-coppa friends observations only backed up what I alread thought, so I didn't actually jump to a conclusion based on that did I. Like I said it's disgusting that people are turning this into a pishing contest.

Sas, I think you are confusing moral innocence with legal innocence. Until Shipman was sentanced he was legally innocent but morally guilty.

sasboro Posted on 10/9 11:50
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borobliss, where do i look? in the bible..i'm confused.

boromart, just dont take what the tabloids say as gospel. fact is they are still innocent, they have yet to be charged and it hasnt even gone to court and they havent been convicted. what a scary place we would live in if peoples convictions were based on 3rd hand knowledge of what is written in a newspaper. if people had their way the other bloke woul dhave been convicted long ago...so lets just wait and see how it ends before making judgements on what we read in the papers

The thing is the portuguese police legally can't say much so how can we speculate on who is guilty when we dont know what the police know.

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The_Lizards_Jumpers Posted on 10/9 11:51
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"Something about a bible and David.
That is all that I will say.
As I said, have a look yourself."


It's also been widely reported in the UK that Kate Mcann had her bible open at the story in question, so your attempts to get a bit of one upmanship aren't really happening.

bandito Posted on 10/9 11:54
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"Like I said it's disgusting that people are turning this into a pishing contest"

bit hypocritcal isnt it saying that and posting your mates psyco-analysis for everyone to consider?

bandito Posted on 10/9 11:54
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"Like I said it's disgusting that people are turning this into a pishing contest"

bit hypocritcal isnt it saying that and posting your mates psyco-analysis for everyone to consider?

boro_bliss Posted on 10/9 11:55
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Lizard, I didnt know that it was reported in your country.
I told an english person about it, and he told me that it was not in the papers in England.

The_Lizards_Jumpers Posted on 10/9 11:57
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Perhaps he could have been wrong ?

Boromart Posted on 10/9 11:59
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"boromart, just dont take what the tabloids say as gospel."
I never do and in this case I didn't....proven by the fact that I was dubious about their story from day one. I have consistantly felt that something was wrong with it. Your barking entirely up the wrong tree.

Bandy, how on earth am I being hypocritical? How can I be trying to show how intelligent I am by posting something my friend said? I am posting my mates, an ex-coppa who was involved in a lot stuff like this, because open minded people may find a professional opinion of interest. Some people however will decide it does not fit in with their pre-concieved views and will instead try and dismiss it as pscho-bable.

Like I said some people seem determined to dissolve this into a pishing contest, point proven.

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bandito Posted on 10/9 12:01
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it's got nothing to do with intelligence. Your missing the point.

trodbitch Posted on 10/9 12:02
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I don't actually think David did kill his son.

One of his sons was killed by one of his generals as his son rebelled against him.

And one of his children was killed by god with an illness as punishment for his sins.

I suppose if you are a devout Christian and have lost a child, that second story would be relevant as you might question if God is punishing you for something.

Anyway, it has been reported. I find it a little bit of a stretch to think that they managed to murder, hide and dispose of a body but then leave the 'blueprint' of their 'plan' open for all to see, especially considering the 'blueprint' is one of a child falling ill.

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Perry_Combover Posted on 10/9 12:06
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boromart - maybe you believe their story to be dubious. the fact remains you can have no solid evidence to back it up. its just speculation.

i happen to doubt that they are guilty but again thats only my opinion. im happy to leave it to the police in the hope they know what they are doing.

making ill-conceived judgements on people when you have no knowledge of the case other than newspaper reports and comments from mates is silly

bandito Posted on 10/9 12:06
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the bible is a load of pap. Lord of the rings is better

Boromart Posted on 10/9 12:11
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perry,

"im happy to leave it to the police in the hope they know what they are doing. "
...and so am I, I never siad I have judge them damn them to hell.

"making ill-conceived judgements on people when you have no knowledge of the case other than newspaper reports and comments from mates is silly". - Ah So my opinion is silly and yours is right. Sorry mate, but I have an opinion I will share my opinion on a public messageboard, I will discuss it with people but I will not be rubbished by people just because my opinion differs.

for the record Perry you say "i happen to doubt that they are guilty but again thats only my opinion." - what is that based on, a media perception of them?

My opinion is based on the way they have placed themselves in the media. It is abnormal for parents to react in this manner. I.e. something isn't right. It is nothing to do with what the Sun has printed or leaked rumours of evidence. In the end the portugeuse justice system will decide.

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Towell Posted on 10/9 12:11
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I take my advice in life from the beano.

wokingmassive Posted on 10/9 12:16
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Religion is to man, what sand is to an ostrich.

Perry_Combover Posted on 10/9 12:21
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"Ah So my opinion is silly and yours is right" i didnt say that. no ones opinion on this board is anymore valid than anyone elses. my point was its daft to reach conclusions when you have no first hand knowledge of the case.

"My opinion is based on the way they have placed themselves in the media. It is abnormal for parents to react in this manner. "

There is no rulebook as to how parents in this situation should react. maybe they have reacted differently to how many people would, doesnt make them guilty though. they are intelligent poeple - maybe, just maybe, they are orchestrating the media campaign to increase the chances of finding maddie.

Lefty3668 Posted on 10/9 12:24
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'Religion is to man, what sand is to an ostrich.'

You do know that ostriches don't actually bury their heads in the sand, don't you?

bandito Posted on 10/9 12:25
re: your thoughts on McCanns returning

Keith Lamb does

Lefty3668 Posted on 10/9 12:26
re: your thoughts on McCanns returning

Boromart,

Have you already convicted the McCanns in your mind of murder or not?

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 10/9 12:26
re: your thoughts on McCanns returning

While their activities since the disappearance of their daughter may have been a little strange, including yesterday's staement by the father, they can't be judged until all the evidence comes out, that includes the amount of time they left the kids alone.

I did notice this morning a little criticism on the radio toward the Portuguese police. Typical of this country's press, they're not doing as good a job as our people would. For me they've taken their time, as it should be, in order to reach the correct outcome.

bungydinsdale Posted on 10/9 12:30
re: your thoughts on McCanns returning

Boromart, I'm NOT saying they are innocent, only that I wouldn't get to the conclusion that they are guilty from what I've seen and read. And some guy's expert ability to tell the difference between a slight facial tic and a shifty look to the left. Thankfully that sort of expert evidence is not admissible in court.
Frankly I don't know what has happened to their daughter, and nor do any of you, really.
Yes you are entitled to an opinion, but it's just that I give more credibility to ones that are based on more than some of the things you use to justify your one to publically castigate these people.
After all they are people you do not know, other than what you have seen in the media.

Lefty3668 Posted on 10/9 12:30
re: your thoughts on McCanns returning

Except they have made a total botch of the original crime scene and then they have had to conduct the case under intense international scrutiny, Corcaigh.

Boromart Posted on 10/9 12:34
re: your thoughts on McCanns returning

perry, you did say it was silly in your post of 12:06, even though I haven't spelled out what my conclusion is. It would be equally daft to come to the conclusion that they are probably innocent on absolutely no evidence. Or maybe they are just opinions. Of course I don't know for definite that they are guilty, but I have strong suspicions and opinions, as you do but for their innocence.

"There is no rulebook as to how parents in this situation should react." -- but there are psychological traits that people follow. Maybe you think psychology is mumbo jumbo, I don't.

"maybe, just maybe, they are orchestrating the media campaign to increase the chances of finding maddie." -- and I'm sure they were given guidelines on how to act and told that by raising the profile they were increasing the chance of the child being murdered. If the captors liberty is threatened then they will take action to remove any evidence.

The very fact the media have picked this case and ran with it so much is due to the highly unbelievable nature of the case, that's is if you believe the original story. It now seems to be getting even more unbelievable.

sasboro Posted on 10/9 12:34
re: your thoughts on McCanns returning

everyone seems to have forgotten that witness that saw someone carrrying a child wrapped in a blanket. Was that person ever traced? That could be a big lead. But the guilty conspiracy people have forgotten about that

wokingmassive Posted on 10/9 12:36
re: your thoughts on McCanns returning

I did see an ostrich bury its head in the sand on animal magic once.

sasboro Posted on 10/9 12:39
re: your thoughts on McCanns returning

boromart is the columbo of fmttm. he would be able to solve this case quicker than an episode of schooby doo

The_Lizards_Jumpers Posted on 10/9 12:39
re: your thoughts on McCanns returning

Sas, the doubters will no doubt point out that the witness was one of the McCann's friends who spotted the child in pyjamas.

barneyblair Posted on 10/9 12:39
re: your thoughts on McCanns returning

The only real fact is THEY ARE BAD PARENTS, and if this dissappearance had nothing to do with them, then everyday they must be tortured inside with blame. If it was me i wouldnt be able to live with myself knowing my selfish attitude and neglect contributed to her vanishing

Boromart Posted on 10/9 12:42
re: your thoughts on McCanns returning

bungy, so you say my opinion is based on nothing but a mates opinion (a slight over-simplification of my mates skills and totally ignores all the other things I have based my opinion on!) and you prefer those based on more evidence than that.....so tell me those that are professing the probable innocence of the McCanns are basing that opinion on what hard evidence exactly?

"everyone seems to have forgotten that witness that saw someone carrrying a child wrapped in a blanket. "
a) if it was in a blanket how could they tell it was a child?
b) how reliable was the witness
c) is there any physical evidence (fibre strands) of an unknown blanket being in or around the apartment.
d) if it was a child in a blanket could it have been a differant child.

There are lots of explanation for this 'sighting' but it cannot be taken in isolation as any proof of abduction.

Boromart Posted on 10/9 12:45
re: your thoughts on McCanns returning

sas why bring this down to point scoring? why have a dig at me on a serious thread? I have an opinion differant to yours, don't stoop down to stupid sarcastic remarks to 'get one over on me' when we are almost certainly talking about the death of a 4 year old child.



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bungydinsdale Posted on 10/9 12:51
re: your thoughts on McCanns returning

So, boromart, what is this evidence then to back up your mate's expertise that has "corroborated my views".
It must be pretty damn strong because you go on to say "Of course some people will not want that balance because they believe contrary to evidence that they are not involved in the disappearance".
So what is this "evidence" you speak of that has formed this view?
Oh, and I will repeat it for you as you are obviously not reading. I am NOT saying they are innocent.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 10/9 12:52
re: your thoughts on McCanns returning

If 'intense international scrutiny' means our press, then I still wouldn't be too hasty in criticising them. The reporters have already had one bloke guilty of the crime.

sasboro Posted on 10/9 12:56
re: your thoughts on McCanns returning

not point scoring at all. whats thew point in me trying to get one over on you when you always claim to be right?

just that people seem to be saying their guilty off the back of what they have read in the papers. Its not like a tv programme where it is all sorted in an hour and the guilty party are always one of the characters. FACT is they are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. they havent been charged despite many hours of the police questioning. the public arnt in a position to know the full facts..only the police are. so why havent they been arrested if they are guilty?

whats your explanation for that witness that saw a child wrapped in a blanket? has anything ever materialised on who that was. why has no one come forward to admit it was them possibly with just their own child

TheSmogMonster Posted on 10/9 12:56
re: your thoughts on McCanns returning

Theres 1 bit of evidence that the McCanns have spoken about, which is actually hat started the speculation.. this hasn't come from the police.

We don't know what else there is. Oh and it can't be a portuguese police fit up because it was the British police that found it.

Blood found in the boot of the car - disputatable how it got there, but I think we can assume its there.

Almost forgot, the blood inside the apartment.

From a spanish newspaper:

"This evidence locates Madeleine's death inside the apartment, but the investigators are still not certain it was murder, despite the fact that forensic experts have revealed that somebody did try to erase the blood traces."

I should add, thats by no means conclusive, but the police NEED to investigate it.

I personally hope they ARE innoccent, it would shatter a lot of peoples faith in humanity if they were involved.

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deganya Posted on 10/9 13:05
re: your thoughts on McCanns returning

We dont know that blood was found in the car they hired 5 weeks after her disapperance. We do know that maddies DNA was found n the car but they well might be an explanation for that.

According to a forensic expert the parents clothes would have an abundance of maddies DNA and hence transfered it to the car sometime later.

only the portugese and british police know what form that dna took, it could just be a fibre with her dna on it. Doesn't prove anything at all.

Are we saying that five weeks after the event the McCanns hired a car, dug up the body and transferred it in a hire care under the view of the worlds press? Then disposed of it again?
Im sure some of those reporters would have spotted them dont you?
That scenario is too unbeleiveable.

TheSmogMonster Posted on 10/9 13:11
re: your thoughts on McCanns returning

deganya I agree with you on that, it seems far fetched.

But not impossible, so the police have to do their job.

Also whose word do we have that the car was hired 25 days after the disappearence?

The problem is, ALL the 'evidence' has come out of the McCanns camp, so maybe they are being selective with the truth. We don't know.

The fact is that today the case is being passed over to a prosecutor for evaluation, so I imagine the evidence is stronger then we think.

On the subject of letting them go, it often happens in criminal cases that it takes longer for the police to get the case together then they are legally allowed to detain suspects without charge. The police have actually released a statement along the lines of 'we know where they live'.

Nothings conclusive in my mind, in fact I think we might never find out.

Just one more thing, I think you can assume it is blood in the car as it was found by police sniffer dogs which specialise in finding traces of blood. Thats purely an assumption though.

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bandito Posted on 10/9 13:12
re: your thoughts on McCanns returning

are lie detectors ever used during interrogation or formal interviewing of suspects?

TheSmogMonster Posted on 10/9 13:16
re: your thoughts on McCanns returning

Lie detectors, ew, shouldn't be admissable in court, they have a false positive effect of 1 in 5.

Has led to some major miscarridges of justice.

UgoAfro Posted on 10/9 13:25
re: your thoughts on McCanns returning

.....and has also led to a load of Chavs argueing unnecessarily on Jeremy Kyle.

PoetLaureate Posted on 10/9 13:31
re: your thoughts on McCanns returning

Some of you who have wrote on here are talking absolute rubbish and your views are rather worrying. It is obvious you read a paper and believe it all 100%. Are you not scared by that I know I am, indoctrination seems rather easy.

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Boromart Posted on 10/9 13:46
re: your thoughts on McCanns returning

I think I will leave this thread, I don't need to defend my opinion, which is that they are not telling the truth with their story of events (I haven't said they are murderers by the way). Some people would rather just throw stupid insults around and act derogatory and condescending to point score, you know who you are....have fun belittling a disturbing subject.

trodbitch Posted on 10/9 13:48
re: your thoughts on McCanns returning

It'll be interesting when they start using the Maddie fund to pay for their legal expenses.

The_Lizards_Jumpers Posted on 10/9 13:49
re: your thoughts on McCanns returning

Assuming they do of course !

trodbitch Posted on 10/9 13:51
re: your thoughts on McCanns returning

*ssshh lizards, I'm trying to whip them into even more of a frenzy*

onthemap Posted on 10/9 13:59
re: your thoughts on McCanns returning

"I see dumb people..
...they're everywhere..
...they walk around like everyone else....
..they don't even know that they're dumb..
And..
..some of them..
..THEY POST HERE"

Jon2977 Posted on 10/9 14:05
re: your thoughts on McCanns returning

I will await the hollywood style film and the books before making any judgement.

SmogOnTheRhine Posted on 10/9 14:09
re: your thoughts on McCanns returning

Jon2977....

It's going to happen, make a great film, bit like that dingo stealing the baby in Australia.

Not sure if you can profit from a crime by selling your story, but I'm sure there are ways around it.

Jon2977 Posted on 10/9 14:15
re: your thoughts on McCanns returning

Of course there are ways around it, its call Max Clifford. Its only a matter of time before we see 'exclusive' rights to the McCann story.

Patrick_Batemen Posted on 10/9 14:19
re: your thoughts on McCanns returning

The truth is none of us know the truth and those who are saying they're definitely guilty or innocent are talking out of their ass.

Just be patient, I canít understand those who speculate, comment on the police enquiry etc, but we donít know who the perpetrator is.

The only certainty is we are uncertain, anything else is a waste of time.
We should not judge the McCann's until the truth outs (if it does).

gravy_boat Posted on 10/9 14:21
re: your thoughts on McCanns returning

sas - regarding the man carrying a child.

It was a female friend of the McCanns who said she saw this, I forget her name.

The same woman who said she walked past Gerry McCann and a male friend between the restaurant and the apartment just after this and said hello. This male friend said he never saw her.

Not exactly damning evidence of a man carrying a child, is it?

bandito Posted on 10/9 14:21
re: your thoughts on McCanns returning

"I canít understand those who speculate"

I can. Gossiping old women.

sasboro Posted on 10/9 14:27
re: your thoughts on McCanns returning

too many people think it is a tv programme like lost.

sparkins Posted on 10/9 14:34
re: your thoughts on McCanns returning

The majority of posts on this and other threads are, in my eyes, about as ill informed as the millions of inches of tabloid copy that has been printed since Madeleine's disappearance. The press love a good old mystery like this and from what I can gather much of that which is written is attributed to those mysterious un-named sources which we often see as football fans. The truth of the matter is that none of us know any of the facts. None of us, and as such it is entirely irresponsible to point the sordid finger of suspicion at the Mccanns at this time.

Eventually the truth will out one way or the other and until that point in time I will reserve judgement. It saddens me that in this society there is an almost insatiable desire for the worst case scenario to be realised.

wokingmassive Posted on 10/9 14:47
re: your thoughts on McCanns returning

My own belief is that the kid is not alive, I hope I am wrong, but I think that to much time has passed, and it would be difficult to conceal the child following so much intense media coverage. As for the parents - what's that saying about innocent until proven guilty?

TheSmogMonster Posted on 10/9 14:54
re: your thoughts on McCanns returning

"what I can gather much of that which is written is attributed to those mysterious un-named sources which we often see as football fans"

Thats not right, pretty much everything has come out directly through the McCanns spokesperson.

We're in for a wait.

Big_Shot Posted on 10/9 14:58
re: your thoughts on McCanns returning

Maybe this sighting of a child has been looked into and eliminated by the police. It certainly doesn't appear to be of any importance.

I don't see why the Portuguese Police are getting so much stick. They have spent 3 months looking for the 'abducter' but have found no evidence. Which could quite easily suggest that it never happened in the first place, but the media seem to want it to be because of their incompetance. To then change the line of inquiry as a result of no evidence and look at the parents seems a fairly reasonable thing to do, but this time its because they are trying to pin it on them.

sparkins Posted on 10/9 15:01
re: your thoughts on McCanns returning

OK, I will re-phrase it - pretty much all of the speculation and conjecture published which has raised suspicion against the McCanns has been attributed to those mysterious un-named sources. The newspapers are a fickle bunch, but they know that the most sordid headlines and exclusive revelations will sell more papers.

Bernard_Samson Posted on 10/9 15:10
re: your thoughts on McCanns returning

sparkins, the source is ex BBC reporter and government spin doctor Clarence Mitchell who is currently working for the McCanns.

Yes that's right the McCanns have a spin doctor.

the_broken_fridge Posted on 10/9 15:23
re: your thoughts on McCanns returning

It's like a Mensa meeting on here compared to the women in my office today!

sparkins Posted on 10/9 15:31
re: your thoughts on McCanns returning

Bernard_Samson - are you saying that the McCanns have hired someone to release stories to the press which are damaging to their own cause?

I personally don't blame them for having someone advising them on how the media works. I for one wouldn't have the first idea how to approach a situation like this, as I am a normal bloke, who is not media savvy.

trodbitch Posted on 10/9 15:34
re: your thoughts on McCanns returning

Everyone on the internet is debating it, everyone in the pubs seems to be on about it and it fills the workplace. The media can't be seen to condemn them but they know if they keep putting it in the paper with the rumours that are coming out, they don't need to condemn them. The readers are doing it themselves.

Lefty3668 Posted on 10/9 15:46
re: your thoughts on McCanns returning

'it is entirely irresponsible to point the sordid finger of suspicion at the Mccanns at this time.'

Are you referring to the Police Sparkins as I'm afraid it isn't.

In any child disappearance case, the Police in this country, while being sensitive to the situation, will have the parents right at the top of the list of suspects. This is as it should be.

trodbitch Posted on 10/9 15:53
re: your thoughts on McCanns returning

You know he isn't referring to the police, otherwise you wouldn't have selectively edited his quote. Here it is unchanged:

"The truth of the matter is that none of us know any of the facts. None of us, and as such it is entirely irresponsible to point the sordid finger of suspicion at the Mccanns at this time."

No mention of the police. He's on about the people on here who only have rumour and gossip to go on yet insist on sharing their 'take on it'.

Boromart Posted on 10/9 15:57
re: your thoughts on McCanns returning

Lefty in answer to your earlier question: "Have you already convicted the McCanns in your mind of murder or not?"

The answer is no, I have always (well very early on) suspected them, the longer it went without any evidence of break in and the increasingly enigmatic behaviour of the McCanns increased suspicions dramatically. The release (by the McCann 'Team') of further details about DNA evidence further increases my suspicions. I find myself now in a situation where I would be surprised if they didn't do it.

gravy_boat Posted on 10/9 15:58
re: your thoughts on McCanns returning

Why do certain individuals feel they have the right to berate others who want to debate this situation?

Why do these same people accuse the same debaters of 'believing everything they read' or 'jumping to conclusions' or 'hoping for the worst case scenario'?

That's not what I'm seeing. There are one or two who seem to have made their mind up, but I think the majority are simply discussing those parts of the alleged abduction that seem debatable.

Just because joe public are questioning some of the McCanns claims, doesn't mean everybody thinks they are guilty of murder.

I fail to see what is wrong with discussing what has been seen and read, as long as an open mind is kept.

Boromart Posted on 10/9 15:59
re: your thoughts on McCanns returning

well said gravy.

Boromart Posted on 10/9 16:01
re: your thoughts on McCanns returning

" if they didn't do it.".....let me rephrase that as "if they weren't involved in some way.".

Bernard_Samson Posted on 10/9 16:03
re: your thoughts on McCanns returning

Hey sparkins. In a simple answer no, what Iím saying is the British public know when a story is being spun and the British people now equate spinning directly with lying.

Unfortunately itís got nothing to do with truth itís about perception.

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Brick_Tamland Posted on 10/9 17:51
re: your thoughts on McCanns returning

It's amazing that so many people, not necessarily on this board, are so critical of the Portugese police. They are professionals and know far more about the handling of child abduction cases and the interrogation of suspects than many of those critical of their protocols.

Some people I have spoken to seem to believe that the Portugese police are operating entirely without the support of Scotland Yard, which I don't think is likely given that British forensics teams have been working on this case.

I have faith in the Portugese police and I think they will eventually find answers to many of the questions appearing in newspapers.

Lefty3668 Posted on 10/9 19:10
re: your thoughts on McCanns returning

Trod, you are suggesting I have used selective editing to misrepresent Sparkins post. Thatís crap. The key words are 'irresponsible', 'sordid' and 'point the finger of suspicion', all contained in my partial selection, but he seems to forget one important point, hence my question.

It is the POLICE that have pointed the finger of suspicion. That would be when they named them 'suspects'. Furthermore this is the responsible position taken from the off by the Police in this country in abduction/sudden infant death investigations.

Following that development - in the news story of the year - there is nothing sordid about expressing an opinion in the way that Boromart has, which has been thoughtful and considered. He hasnít been flinging mud for the sake of it. He has listed a number of intelligent points why he thought the Police had legitimate reasons to suspect the parents. He has also said he hopes they are not guilty. I specifically asked him earlier in this thread if, in his own mind, he had already convicted the McCanns.

ĎThe answer is no,í

Another selective edit that.

hairypie4dinner Posted on 10/9 19:16
re: your thoughts on McCanns returning

My thoughts are that their return will be of a temporary nature.

Senor_Chester Posted on 10/9 19:56
re: your thoughts on McCanns returning

Boromart you are like a conspiracy theorist, you have strongly argued the facts that could rule them out and make them innocemt....

"a) if it was in a blanket how could they tell it was a child?
b) how reliable was the witness
c) is there any physical evidence (fibre strands) of an unknown blanket being in or around the apartment.
d) if it was a child in a blanket could it have been a differant child."


But when it comes to the facts of how it looks physically impossible in the time scale to carry this out you have chose to ignore this.

Anyway your a friend of a copper so it says it all for me!

Boromart Posted on 10/9 20:10
re: your thoughts on McCanns returning

Senor_Chester, that a little unfair to tar me with the same brush as conspiracy theorists. I was asked directly to explain the alledged sighting of a child in a blanket and rather than dodge the question I answered it.

The fact is that it is nothing more than a 'possible siting of a child' or something child sized in a blanket 'around the right time' and by a 'possibly unreliable witness'. It was AFAIAA not a close siting it was at a distance in gloomy light.

I would say it is far more akin to a conspiracy theory to claim that this incident on it's own constitutes proof of an abduction.

"But when it comes to the facts of how it looks physically impossible in the time scale to carry this out you have chose to ignore this." - well that depends on the timescale, I have no idea when the last confirmed sighting of Maddi alive was, I know one of the other other (not the McCanns) members of the party 'checked' on her, but it has also been alluded that some of the checking up was nothing more than looking through the window. So until the details come out I cannot say the window of opportunity wasn't there.

"Anyway your a friend of a copper so it says it all for me!" - ex-coppa, that shows how much notice you take of detail.

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TheSmogMonster Posted on 10/9 20:13
re: your thoughts on McCanns returning

"But when it comes to the facts of how it looks physically impossible in the time scale to carry this out you have chose to ignore this."

Basic error in that Brick is that, you're right it LOOKS impossible, but that doesn't mean it IS impossible.

IF the police do get physical evidence that the McCanns were involved, it doesn't matter how impossible it looks.

Senor_Chester Posted on 10/9 20:14
re: your thoughts on McCanns returning

So whats your thoughts on how they done it then, if they did Boromart?

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TheSmogMonster Posted on 10/9 20:19
re: your thoughts on McCanns returning

No idea really, one thing does bother me though.

The police say they were on scene within 10 minutes of the phone call and if I remember correctly the McCanns slagged off the police from day 1 for not being on site for 30-40 minutes after the phone call.

Just looks odd to me.

(Whether thats accurate or not I'm not sure)

The kid in the blanket thing, how does that fit into the time frame? Was it before/after they raised the alarm, either way you've got to ask questions of why the woman ignored it at the time.

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Boromart Posted on 10/9 20:23
re: your thoughts on McCanns returning

Senor_Chester I don't have enough info to come out with an explanation of how they did it (if they did), with the facts that have been released they could have had anywhere between minutes or hours to dispose of her body.

I can throw ideas out there, but the danger is that I get accused of being conspiracy theory loon.

Senor_Chester Posted on 10/9 20:32
re: your thoughts on McCanns returning

I don't think your seeing both sides of the story Boromart. They has been a lot of debate on this to suggest they didn't do it to suggest they did.

Also I had to laugh at your post:

"1) Body language of Mr McCann on TV when stating that "We were not involved in the disappearance of Maddi". Particularly looking down to the left when answering this question, which any criminal psychologist will tell you is very damning. It might not seem to you or me, and might not be evidence admissible in court but I'm sure the British Police now have a strong opinion on this case."

I've done jury duty but even if I hadn't I could probably have a guessed that a slight look to the left would not be admissable and probably wouldn't be enough to send a man to the gallows!

Senor_Chester Posted on 10/9 20:33
re: your thoughts on McCanns returning

"The big rumour here in the Algarve is that they have been allowed to return to the UK on condition that they sort out their affairs and arrangements for the twins, then return to Portugal to face the music, but as i said its a rumour and only that at the moment. But knowing how things go here it could well be plausible !!!"

Thats the worst rumour yet.

Big_Shot Posted on 10/9 20:37
re: your thoughts on McCanns returning

'But when it comes to the facts of how it looks physically impossible in the time scale to carry this out you have chose to ignore this'

But there aren't any facts to suggest its physically impossible. People just assume that they are telling the truth and therefore the events happened exactly as they are currently saying, even when there are a few discrepencies in the time line of events.


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Boromart Posted on 10/9 20:39
re: your thoughts on McCanns returning

Senor it's a bit weak to take one of the things I have stated and rubbish that.

There are a succession of out of the ordinary activities, but the first and still biggest thing that worried me is that this appears at first glance to be the 'perfect crime', absolutely no evidence of a break in exists. You cannot break into a building without leaving evidence that you did so, especially DNA evidence.

The manerisms and behaviour of the McCanns just backs up the theory that they are being economical with the truth about the events that night. the way they have tried to stay as close to the portuguese police is (from the horses mouth) textbook guilty person activity (that isn't my damning them as guilty, I'm just trying to qualify why there is suspicion over the way they are acting). If a perpetrator of a crime can stay close to the investigating officers they can gauge how the investigation is going and throw the odd spanner in the works.

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TheSmogMonster Posted on 10/9 20:39
re: your thoughts on McCanns returning

Exactly Big_Shot, that what I was just saying, I think Senor has locked his sites though.

Senor_Chester Posted on 10/9 20:41
re: your thoughts on McCanns returning

Not at all, I'm open to any ideas.

Boromart Posted on 10/9 20:47
re: your thoughts on McCanns returning

Senor, you have attempted to ridicule some of my (admitedly circumstancial) evidence, but have you seen any proof that an abduction happened?

If the answer is NO, then do you find that strange, even unheard of in a DNA soaked world?

Regarding the window of opportunity does anyone know when the last confirmed live sighting by anyone other than the McCanns happened?

Regarding looking down to the left, you look left when you are trying to remember things, you look down and left when remembering pre-designed statements usually but not always lies. By itself it means nothing but with the lack of any evidence to backup their story it raises suspicions. If you search on the internet for lies and body language or something like that I'm sure you will find something. It's not damning by itself but is interesting never the less.



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Senor_Chester Posted on 10/9 20:56
re: your thoughts on McCanns returning

I wasn't laughing at that I was laughing at the fact that you had to point out it 'may' not be admissable in court when clearly this would be obvious!

sparkins Posted on 10/9 21:02
re: your thoughts on McCanns returning

I think that is the kind of thing that has got my goat. I tend to follow the belief that everyone is innocent until proven guilty. Three months ago these people were just every day 'normal' people just like you and me (granted I am not a heart surgeon but you get my drift). Suddenly they are the most high profile couple in Britain with their every move watched and scrutinised by 55 million amateur sleuths - Mrs McCann always looks 'distraught', Mr McCann always looks very in control etc etc therefore they must have done her in - etc etc. What do we know?

Now I know they have courted the media and for all I know they will be found guilty, but I have absolutely no idea how I personally would react to the situation that they find themselves in. I have a feeling that I would have snapped by now and would undoubtedly be labelled as a murderer who has cracked in the public gaze.

It is just interesting that when Robert Murat was given suspect status, every paper and amateur Morse in the country had him hung, drawn and quartered. Amazing how they have gone quiet on him now. If it turns out that he had nothing to do with it, will he be given a full apology? I doubt it; his will just be another life destroyed by tabloid tittle tattle.

TheSmogMonster Posted on 10/9 21:14
re: your thoughts on McCanns returning

The Morat thing is a tad different.

There was never anything to connect him with the case aside from him helping out.

He was only questioned because of a journo's hunch.

And you're right people were calling for a lynching, without an evidencee.

Here though there is evidence, and thankfully not many have them strung up.

I do wonder how people would have reacted if this was Morat's hire car that the DNA evidence was found in.

Boromart Posted on 10/9 21:16
re: your thoughts on McCanns returning

I know it clearly isn't admissible, I guess it was lost in translation, if I had said it to you down the pub you would have probably realised that I meant 'it isn't admisible'.

Anyway, don't you find it odd that there is no evidence of a break in? no DNA evidence of a third party? If this was an opportunist thing there is noway some one could have pulled this off without leaving a trail of DNA. If this was an abductin that was planned and arranged then there would be witness and CCTV footage of a suspicous person hanging about for days while they planned how to do the perfect crime.

sparkins Posted on 10/9 21:23
re: your thoughts on McCanns returning

Boromart, the fact of the matter is, that I am in no way qualified to understand the ins and outs of DNA evidence. I am guessing that DNA samples can be 'live' for years and given that this is a holiday villa with hundreds of people passing through as guests, plus workmen, cleaners etc, then surely the potential list of people who could have left DNA at the scene could run into hundreds - how have they isolated the fact that no DNA exists to prove or disprove the theory of a break in? The answer is that only those trained to analyse this stuff, will know.

ell1051 Posted on 10/9 21:41
re: your thoughts on McCanns returning

i dont know if its already been mentioned but with regards to the twins, they've been out of the picture for months and now all of a sudden they start to be questioned they want to 'get back to normality'. All just seems a bit strange to me.

I honestly hope that the police are wrong and the little lass is found save and sound, but its very hard to imagine it now.